F is for FUGLY

Good evening, Bill.

Good evening, Stanley.

Hello, listeners.

Welcome back.

It's another episode of the BS Car Guys podcast.

We've missed being with you, and we are glad to have you back with us.

Yes, we are.

And as usual, we have been talking for an hour already.

Y'all don't get to hear that unless you want to.

What's going on with my voice?

Puberty.

Get that out.

Puberty.

I'm maturing finally.

If you clicked on this, you saw that the title of this is F is for Fugly.

And we're going to talk about that a little bit tonight.

Yeah.

I mean, everybody else is talking about the Ferrari.

And so I feel like we should probably talk about it, too.

First of all, I'm pretty sure that's not his name, but I don't care.

All right.

Well, I think if the word contains a U and a C in the name, I think, and it's as ugly

as it is, you pretty much have to pronounce the name of the car as a gag reflex.

I'm pretty sure that's the rule.

That's the rule.

But you have a lot of rules that you want implicated all over the world.

I do have a very, very large, ever changing list of rules.

And to be perfectly honest with you, even I can't live up to my expectations.

And this is why your daughter will always have a bed open in my house and her

grandmother's house.

You're exactly right.

This is also why my daughter will always have at least one open, full depth

lima field grave somewhere on the property waiting for a boy.

Yeah.

Waiting for a boy.

Oh, you are kind of on the cusp of that.

I don't know why you're talking.

I mean, good point.

Good point.

What's new in cars?

Exactly.

So before we get into the Ferrari, let's talk about a couple of things.

All right.

Number one, couple of trips.

I recently took a work trip to California as I'm apt to do.

We'll have another one coming up in July.

This most recent trip at the last minute, the number of individuals going

and the length of time that I would be there without the rest of the group

changed.

So I downgraded my rental from a full size SUV to a car, which saved the

company some money and I didn't have to drive as big a vehicle around LA.

But what was you?

What was really nice was they upgraded me to a premium sedan.

So I had a Mercedes Benz.

And I would tell them out.

This is this is you drove from a Mercedes Benz.

Well, yeah, really the first time in my life, like spending any time in a

Mercedes, I had driven a SL 600 years ago that belonged to a former science

officer in the Navy, and I really enjoyed it.

V 12.

But that was a short driving experience, you know, it was fast, but it was a short

driving experience.

The this was like, you know, I had a good solid almost a week with this car.

And I got to be honest.

Obviously brand new car, kind of some kind of weird hybrid system, I think I

couldn't really tell.

And so.

I wasn't blown away in press.

It's not like I drove a GT3 RS, but.

But I will say this.

I didn't hate the car.

I am so proud of you right now.

The seats were awful.

I don't know how much that car cost you.

I haven't looked it up.

But if I paid more than $40,000 for that car and got those seats.

Yeah, that car would have went back like those are not comfortable seats.

If that car had anything other than no, there's not.

I don't think there's a Mercedes says that's

less than $40,000.

Oh, I'm sure there's not.

I'm sure there's not.

Now, unless it's six minutes old or older, because if it's been

owned by somebody, it's definitely under $40,000.

Well, that's different.

But yes, I understand that point.

I am.

Do you remember which one you have to remember which one?

It was like a C three something C 300 C three.

I don't know.

It was a C class.

Hmm.

And it was a sedan.

Yeah.

It was fairly.

Was it like a coupé sedan?

Hey, I'll send you a picture of it.

I bet you was a C 350 or whatever they are now.

Yeah, that's what I mean.

It's what it was C something.

See, I never read the badge.

I just got in it and drove it.

Oh, C 300.

Yeah, I can see where you're at.

Yeah, it's $49,000.

See.

49,000.

No, that's the it for me.

Mercedes and German speak.

That is in the cheap seats, literally at 40,000.

I mean, it was definitely what Mercedes would call a

cheap car.

But.

I mean, she for them and she for us, that's completely different.

But I'm I'm I'm really kind of happy that you just didn't hate the car because it was new.

Yeah, C 300.

Yeah.

But for it, I mean, I didn't hate it.

So anyway, so that's that.

Second thing is next week, I've taken a road trip.

I'm going to be on the road trip.

Next week, I've taken a road trip with Kendra, Anna and some other family members.

One of which is graduating high school tomorrow.

So yeah, yeah.

No, Caleb Caleb's in college already.

So this is Caleb's cousin, Eli.

So Eli's graduating tomorrow and.

Eli and his little brother and his mother are going with us to Canada to Niagara Falls.

So we are renting a car and driving up leaving next week on Thursday morning.

So I'll get some nice driving in.

I love a good 10 hour road trip is a good drive.

Like 10 hours is enough to really settle in and start to enjoy it.

And I'm looking forward to it.

I don't know what we'll get.

We're in a SUV, whatever they give me at the rental car place.

So I'll get to enjoy another newer new SUV.

In the last year, I've driven a new grand wagon year and a new.

What was the other one?

Lincoln navigator and a Chevy suburban.

I've driven all three of those full size SUVs in the last year.

And this is what I can tell you.

The massaging seat feature in the navigator and the aroma therapy diffuser

incense, vape pins that go in the center console and.

And the and the blue cruise, super cruise, road cruise, driving cruise,

Ted Cruz function is really cool, but I would never buy that car.

The suburban, the car, car.

And it as much as I like to hate on Chevrolet, if you're the kind of person

that's like, you know, I want to get a new car, but I would like that new car

to be from the 1970s.

Go get your new suburban.

It ain't that bad, is it?

Because aside from the feature where if you even look at the dotted lines

at the edge of your lane, it starts shaking your seat like you're having a.

A seizure, then, you know, there's nothing that's like, you know, I wonder

what it's like to drive a 6,000, 8,000 pound automobile with ALS.

Oh, I should get, I should get one of these suburban.

Now I feel like I'm now I feel like Michael J.

Fox trying to get back to the future because I'm over here.

Okay.

Every time I get near the edge of the lane, I'm having a shaking seizure.

So that's my thing on a suburban.

You didn't about say.

And the great grand wagon here, I got to be honest with you.

I have never been in such an expensive, cheaply built car in my life.

I've never been in something where at the same time I go, man, this is really

expensive in here.

There's screens everywhere.

That's really nice.

This is the cheapest piece of junk I've ever sat in.

It's hard to beat those two things at the same time.

And I got to be honest with you.

Stalentus pulls it off.

With if you had to choose, which one would you, you choose?

None.

No, no, no, that's cop out.

You got to pick one.

Um, boy, if I had to pick one, I'd probably pick.

I'd probably pick the suburban because the resale value on it's probably going to be

the highest and I could get rid of it in like six months and get a real car.

Like a hot like a like a lane.

Like a like a Landcruiser.

The Lincoln that you drove, was it the one with the screen that goes from?

Oh, it had, it had a screen that started in.

Las Vegas and in New Jersey.

And then they have a screen to control that screen.

Yes.

Yeah.

And, and, and if you open the dash, there was like a little house elf in there holding

a tablet that would control that screen.

Hey, I got a question for you because you drive a bunch of newer cars because it's

travel and things like that.

And I drive, I get him, I don't drive as many new cars anymore.

Cause I don't, I haven't traveled that much.

I haven't traveled at all this year.

Now I'm thinking about it for work.

Anyway, I know, right?

Actually, I got a trip that I got to take.

It's just got some stuff that they have to happen before I go.

So, you know, when we, you know, we've talked before about how jaded some of these

car reviewers and things like that, they can be, because one, they're always

driving something new to they, they are, they are swapping cars so often that they

can't get used to a car.

Yeah.

So, so things that bother them or they complain about to normal people.

We're not normal for the record.

Right.

No, definitely not.

They would just get used to it within the first week.

So the question is, did the steering wheel shape of the Lincoln bother you?

Does it really bother you?

I'm going to be honest with you.

It bothered me greatly for about the first 30 minutes.

Uh-huh.

After, by the time I was out of Inglewood, I was fine with it.

That's my thoughts too, because I, what was that driving would, I can't

remember what it was after over something.

Uh, and when I was in California, I had a weird shape steering wheel and I was

like, this is a little weird.

And now, time I got down the road, I was like, what was all these complaints about?

Now, now, if, now I will say, if I was in something with like the Tesla yoke,

Oh, no, no, that might take me a little longer to adapt to.

But anyway, so talking about travel.

So a couple other things.

One, uh, I realized in a conversation last night with, with Kendra and Anna,

Anna, I mean, Kendra too, by, I guess by that merit, she's going to see more

countries this year than me.

That bums me out.

She's really going to do it.

She's getting four countries in this year.

Coincidentally, four continents.

So we, we already went to Central America, which I guess technically

in South America, technically as far as continents go.

So we got North America and plus we're going to Canada.

So in, and, and then we got central South America, yet Bon air.

And then in the fall, her and Kendra are going to Thailand by way of Germany.

So they're going to spend a day in Germany and then go on to Thailand.

So she's going to get four continents and four countries this year.

And I'm, I'm over here with, with just two.

I feel pretty bummed out about that.

You should fix that.

I'd like to figure out a way to fix that.

This is what I'm working on as a solution for myself.

And I say myself because my co-host on this podcast, Lassone Stanley,

is a gorophobic and never comes out of his hobbit hole.

No matter how many elves, how many dwarves come to see him with wizards,

he will not come out.

First of all, as he's in there with his, he's in there with his equal

globe and anchor strobing it, being like precious.

So first, I'm going to plan a trip to Japan

for next year and I'm going to go.

I'm going to do a car trip to Japan, but I'm going to do it with or without you.

First of all, I did talk to my wife.

Like the great Phil Collins says.

I did talk to my wife about this.

She was okay with it.

She also wanted to go kind of.

So this actually may be a thing that we can do.

We may be able to pull off.

I gotta be honest with you.

Mit mitigating or managing my wife's expectations about going on this trip is

going to be the biggest challenge because she's not going to want to go.

I am unwilling to change the parameters of the trip.

It is going to be back to back every day car experiences.

I've already been looking at the companies to book it through.

Not that expensive.

And I am not backing off of it.

I'm not going.

I'm not going to one fancy restaurant.

In fact, I plan to eat every meal at a gas station if I have to.

I don't plan on going to one museum unless it's a car museum.

I don't plan to go to one store.

Unless car store.

I'm only doing car stuff.

That's all I care about.

So this is not a trip that my wife wants to go on.

Neither is it a trip my wife wants to go on.

So what you're saying is I'm going to have to go to Japan twice.

If the to make this happen, it may very well be the case.

And I'm thinking the same may happen to me because my brother-in-law really wants

to go for a different industry.

He's a big video game guy and not just like newest video games like literal

like the history of all video games.

Oh, OK.

Down to even like the guy who invented the the circuits for a particular

system like he just likes the history of gaming, which I think is really cool.

And he's as passionate about that as I am about car stuff.

And I don't know what he knows about that stuff, just like he doesn't know

what I know about car stuff.

And and I could do some of those things on a trip.

With him, but I can't I can't alter this trip for that.

I already did that when I went to Germany, where, you know, I surrendered.

I remember that I surrendered a lot.

Just to get there.

And it meant that I only got like two and a half days and not even four days

at that of doing the car stuff that I really wanted to do.

I didn't even get to do a lap of the Nurburgring, which is steel bothers me.

I still wake up mornings and are like, I did not get to drive the Nurburgring.

First of all, you do need to rectify that.

Agreed.

Then go back a couple of things.

I'm going to ask you a question.

This is this is.

This is I don't got a word for it yet.

So that Mercedes that you drove, I was looking at it because I was like,

oh, let me see if I can build the perfect one.

The version of this will be while we're talking.

That that car comes in 123456789

10, 11, 12 different colors.

Oh, oh, I was going to say, that's too many years for a manual transmission.

I'm out.

What that car comes in 12 different colors.

You like what I did there?

I heard what you said.

Of the colors black or huge, black to gray.

How many of those are in this lineup of colors?

69 bro.

How?

How do you have nine different blacks to grays in a car?

How?

Well, you've got you've got Luftwaffe gray.

You got SS gray.

You got concentration black.

You get I don't know.

I'm just trying to think of.

Terribly offensive German words to put with.

They have I don't know how you say this word.

Man, you factor, I guess, man, you could have spelled weird.

Manufacture of moonlight, white, metallic.

That's made up moon, moonlight, metallic.

Got it.

Made up glitter moon.

Got it. All right.

That is so weird.

Anyway, you say this do better.

That's why you see that car only in one color, because all of it really is just one color.

Right, right, because they only sell it in 12 different blacks.

Speaking of which, what happened to good colored cars?

Oh, you know what?

That was that that was the thing I was going to bring up.

So while we're talking about this, Luca,

which, by the way, is being shown

because it is still just kind of a concept,

it is being shown in some pretty interesting looking colors.

I used you went straight to that thing.

And I was going to say a different thing, but they connect

because we're like symbiotic symbiotic.

I went on a little trip.

My 110 hours, there's about eight.

And a trip is an appropriate number.

And.

One thing I've been noticing over the last couple of weeks is this.

With in a world of a whole lot of different hues, not colors,

I eat from black from white to black in whatever variation in between.

Those are huge.

Those are those are colors.

Right. Shades.

There you go.

There are some companies that actually.

Have some cool colors out there.

Yeah, they are.

You don't get to see them that much because like Mercedes,

this this model of the Mercedes, you can only get it in black or white

or some variation of that.

It's stupid.

But.

I while I was driving driving,

there were a lot of cars that actually had real color on them.

They were not the majority of cars, obviously, but.

In a world of white and black cars, you see the.

The three different.

Variations of green and teal when it drives on the road, because it stands out.

So I'm going to ask you a question in your travels, because you travel for work as well.

What car have you seen color or car that you didn't suspect to be a rat

that you thought was cool, even if you didn't think the car was cool?

Because one car comes to mind for me right now.

And it's a good opportunity to think a little bit.

What are you saying?

Are you saying like the car was a factory offered paint option?

And I thought it was a rat because it looks so good.

No, but kind of kind of sort of is it is appeared.

At least appear to be a factory factory offered paint option.

Not as best I can tell.

Yeah, not a rat, because you know, rats, you can do all types of crazy things

that you thought was like, oh, that's that's a cool color.

I like that color.

I don't know if I like the car, but I like the color.

Yeah, I mean, I hate to say it, but and I and I honestly, if you exclude

if you exclude Porsche's paint to sample program, which I feel like is kind of a cheat code.

Yeah, I think this company

may actually be and I could be wrong, but I think they could be the leader

because as best as I can imagine in my mind,

this is the one car company I see the most colors on the road.

BMW.

I think I think the color options on the four series in particular

are some of the best factory color options on the market right now.

Do I love their cars?

No, not always, because you're a but that's beautiful.

And look, while I'm talking about it, BMWs.

I got I got a call this week from a co-worker,

coincidentally, same co-worker that I'm considering taking on this trip

to Japan because you won't go.

He.

He called me as like, dude, I just saw a BMW

and I don't know what it is and it looks too new for stolen Valor plates.

Right. And we are stolen Valor badging.

Right. We all know what stolen Valor badging is, where you pretend

your car is a different version of the car because you went and bought a badge.

And if you're doing it, you are.

It is stolen Valor.

So you can pretend like it's something else, a tribute, whatever you want to call it.

It's stolen Valor.

All right. So he called me. He's like, hey, I just saw this BMW.

What is it?

And it was an I 40.

Or an I four. Sorry. An I four M 60.

Yeah. And he was like, that that's that can't be a real thing. Right.

And so I had to explain to him what an I four was.

And I talked about how, you know, you've mentioned before,

you know, one of the things BMW actually does pretty good is all for

all of their cars, essentially as an ice, a hybrid or an electric.

Yeah. So what I was explaining to him is like, I don't know,

that's just a fully electric four series, but it's the performance version.

And he was like, no, I didn't even know they had that.

So, you know, that got me to thinking about BMWs,

which is why when you ask this question, I have to think in my mind,

I don't know that anybody's doing it better.

And I don't even know if anybody even offers more color options than BMW.

You may be correct because BMW, they can do some I've I've seen a factory

painted purple on the BMW dealerships, oranges, multiple oranges, multiple oranges.

The blues, I think are some of the best blues in the automotive space right now.

They that like kind of bright, but also flat blue.

It's not flat.

It's not matte, but it doesn't have any sparkle in it.

It's like a bright blue.

Dude, that's a good look in blue.

They have a frozen part, whatever that word is, blue.

I think that's the blue you're talking about.

So I'm going to tell you, I'm going to tell you a couple of car colors

that I've seen one of them don't don't like the car necessarily.

It's just a car that does car stuff.

But the color kind of caught me off guard.

Did you know you can get a deep green?

Nissan, Altima.

Is it deep green because you wrecked it into a field?

No, no, no, no, no.

So I was wrecked into a group of Marines.

I know you are going to try to be funny, but this car was like.

Like dark green with I guess it had a midnight package.

Dude, it legitimately I thought, what is that?

They don't do that color.

They have a.

My wife, her favorite color is copper crest from Lexus.

They have Audi does a really good job with colors

because those cars come in a whole bunch of different colors as well.

Toyota has this couple of different teals that that kind of stand out.

But I was just driving up to that on DC and I was like, man,

cars come in colors again.

When did we start doing it?

I don't know that you can make the generalization

and maybe racist to say that cars come in color again, because I don't think they do.

I think.

I'm sorry, I'm on fire tonight.

I just didn't want to those days.

We know who you are.

I signed up to talk to you.

They signed up to listen to you.

Yeah, and they just got to let me cook, Sam.

Yeah, you did.

Stop thinking about young people.

I swear.

Yeah, yeah.

So I live at your major dad joke or a.

All right.

So I did research just now and find out that about 75 to 80 percent

of new vehicles sold globally are some shade of white, black, gray or silver.

That is 75 to 80 percent of all vehicles.

So my suggestion to our listening audience is if you want to have a standout car,

it really doesn't have to be a Porsche or Bentley or Ferrari.

You you could literally just by a dark green, fresh field plowed Nissan

Altima. Yes.

And stand out in the crowd.

I mean, first of all, if you have a Nissan Altima where all the bumpers are

intact, you're going to stand out anyway.

But a green one would put you on a whole other level.

People would be like, dang, that guy pays his bills and he's got a car

with a fresh paint job.

That for the record that that Nissan's green is tactical green.

See, ran into a group of Marines.

I call it tactical green metallic.

Dude, I'm telling you, I was just driving and I saw that as like, what is that?

The color was just so different.

I was like, well, we don't put colors on the dance anymore.

That we barely built the dance.

Right.

So all right.

So let me ask you this question.

Because this kind of speaks to

questions we have asked in the past about other car topics.

OK, so if you think about.

If you think about the cars.

Car color combination options in the 1960s and even the 70s, the oranges,

the purples, the yellows, the gray, the like the browns, the the colors

you don't see anymore really.

If you think about those colors that existed in the 60s and 70s primarily

and you compare it to today,

which we could easily just say today's car colors can be summarized as 50

shades of gray, right?

I mean, that's pretty much what it is.

So fire on fire.

I'm telling you.

What do you think?

Like when did people start driving that decision and why?

Like.

Why do people go?

OK, I don't want a yellow car anymore.

I just want gray.

Can you just give me that in a gray?

I think part of it, man, you know, because we we're talking a little bit

about business and things like that.

And we've talked before about.

The.

The I guess the best way to say it is kind of manipulation that some

businesses will do and see it seems like they get together and they make

this decision and to do a thing.

And then.

And then we just end up doing it and followed because some people are just

sheep. And then we've also discussed about

the way Americans buy cars.

And I think that's partly part of it, too.

I definitely think that I think the consumer pushed this trend.

I just I wonder when or why people started gravitating towards more

neutral tones, right?

I mean, that's basically what it is.

All right. So so what I was about to get what I was about to say was

I because of the way Americans buy cars is we go to for the most part,

we go to a car dealership and we just buy was on the on the lot.

In general speaking, Bill and I don't.

Or if you're listening to this podcast, you probably don't.

But most people, they go up to the Chevy dealership and they buy what's there.

They may have a price that used, which is a used Mercedes, because

the airpies making money off used cars.

But yes.

And so all the dealership has to do is these dealerships get cars.

They don't want to get something that stands out too far left or too far right.

So they just buy this group of cars and they because they know that America is

going to come here, they're going to want to they're going to want this.

Tyho, we got 27 white ones.

We're going to sell them.

We are. I mean, I think you're right, man.

I don't want you to be right, but I think you're right.

I think it's just a numbers game where the dealerships decided

we're going to hedge our bets.

And if we just order white and gray, yeah, we'll be more apt to sell them

because people are going to be less picky about white and gray.

If we had a yellow one on the lot, we got to really wait for the right guy

with the with, you know, with the right tramp stamp that wants a yellow SUV.

Now, sooner or later,

Brose going to show up with a tribal band wrapped around his bicep

in his Ed Hardy t-shirt and be like, that yellow SUV is my jam.

Yo, and they're going to be like, well, let's sit you over to our finance

office and talk about our new 96 month plan.

Right. And so that guy going to buy the yellow one.

But you got to wait for him to need a new SUV.

Whereas if you've got to your point, 15 white and 15 gray,

you got you you got two whole soccer teams worth of moms ready to go.

The moment they the moment they back into a tree in the parking lot of the soccer

field and they need a new car.

But we got we got your replacement refrigerator right here ready to go.

I tell you another company I was thinking about when we talk about these colors,

a company that they used to do in the last generation of this vehicle

have a plethora of colors to choose from was Dodge was Dodge with the Chargers

and Challengers. They came in so many different colors.

We I remember us getting on configurators while we were on the podcast

and figured out how many different cars we could get, but put gold wheels on

because they had like two different two different kinds of gold wheels

and two different black wheels and silver wheels and things like that.

Obviously they're not doing that now.

But yeah, not.

And they just have some crazy names to like, like crazy plum, crazy purple.

And after police fuchsia and just I mean, they had the colors for days

and you could do just about any color you wanted.

I'm a Dodge car.

They may right now have the best color name that I've seen in a minute.

Yeah, for the new charger.

You can get a charger right now.

Well, that is Blue to Chris.

I mean, that's a pretty good name.

I still don't want the car, but no, no, no, no.

But blue blue may be my favorite car color at the moment.

I don't know.

I don't know if it can get better than that.

I'm just going to be honest with you.

Because because if you think about how modern car companies operate.

Some.

I don't know.

I guess.

Uh, our art engineer, I don't know what they would call the guy at the automotive

company to help pick out the car colors.

But that guy had to walk into a meeting somewhere.

Full of people who get paid a lot of money and he had to sit down.

I imagine it's one of those big art binders, you know.

Yep.

And it's got it's got some big like 18 by 24 sheets of paper

renderings of the cars.

And and he had to say to a room full of people and here we have the blue

in what we are referring to as blue to Chris.

And here we have the red, you know, and just and just keep.

And somebody somebody said, hello, hello.

So what did you just say?

What was that word?

Well, what was.

Blue to Chris.

Yeah, the guy at the end of the table had to like move somebody out of his

way so he could, you know, ask a question and he was like, move.

And, you know, and then had to ask the question.

Blue to Chris. Wow.

That's that's a color.

Speaking of a car that's blue to Chris.

Ferrari came out with a car that.

Do you think that it's not blue to Chris, but

it may it may improve the look.

It was blue to Chris.

It very well is blue to Chris.

And it is little Chris.

It is little Chris.

They may not have thought to name it blue to Chris, but it is blue to Chris.

And it is it is called the Luca.

And I look at Luca.

Is that how you really say it?

Luca, Luscia. I don't know.

I don't know either.

I don't speak Italian.

I don't even pretend to speak Italian.

When I do pretend to speak Italian is to ask people, what do you call

an Italian in sandals, which everybody knows is Felipe fly.

We're just going to let that go.

Yeah, we're just going to let it sit.

So.

All right, I'm going to be honest with you.

I was driving last week and I was running around and I knew this car was coming out.

And I.

There have been few new cars that have come out that I have cared less about.

Isn't that interesting?

Because everything about this car is really focused on technology.

And we like technology.

We are a tech.

Well, yeah, we the colloquial we there.

You're talking about is is a little off, but you love technology.

You are kept dynamite at the end of the movie in the wedding scene

with your jukebox and microphone saying that you'll always love La Fonda,

but you'll also always love your technology.

That's you.

You love your technology.

I'm just saying.

First of all,

you have watched that movie way too many times.

100%.

But yeah, I like some white kid more me humor.

I can't help it.

All right.

So I'm saying that this car is a lot of technology.

I mean, apparently the guy who designed this thing or designed it.

I really don't think he did.

I think he just made some influential things.

Also designed like the original iPhone, like.

Which which explains a lot of the shapes.

And here's my thing.

Here's my thing.

OK, this is this is my my because I really had to think about this and say,

listen, let's be honest, Stanley is going to expect a certain caliber of comment

from me with regard to this automobile and and this form of transportation.

So I had to really challenge myself to be truly open and honest

and not completely swayed one way or another by any other automotive journalist.

And here are my thoughts and opinions.

OK, all right.

I think it's actually now don't react too quickly to this.

OK, I think that it is actually one of the better

Ferrari interiors I have I have seen in a very long time,

given its simplistic nature, that being said,

the technology in the interior is going to be the thing that destroys

this car's value long term because that technology is not going to age well.

Those screens and those buttons will not.

It's not the way things seem to be going.

It is more of the technology from 10 years ago, but made to look futuristic.

And so that means that in 10 more years, it's going to look 40 years old

and nobody's going to be interested in it.

So it's not going to be a Ferrari that historically performs the way Ferrari's do.

People hated on the California when it came out.

Yeah, it's an ugly, it's an ugly Ferrari.

But you know what?

I still see them when I go to California and people driving them

and I got the top off and I think that's not a bad Ferrari.

Right. I mean, and that's the thing is like most people look at

Ferrari and very few people go, that's a bad Ferrari.

Most of the time you look at a Ferrari and go, ooh, a Ferrari.

And I think this will be the first Ferrari.

That people look at and go, that's a bad Ferrari.

And I think that's why people are talking about it so much,

not necessarily because it's so bad.

Yes, it's bad, but it's it's bad because it's Ferrari and bad.

If it were, if it were the new Nissan Leaf

and it had a Nissan badge on the front of it.

Would we say it's this bad or would we go?

That's a much better leaf than the last one.

All right, I'm going to comment directly on what you just said.

And then I'll move on to my thoughts.

If this was a new Nissan Leaf, I would, I wouldn't people would

agree people would not be as outraged.

But if said Nissan Leaf cost 600000 dollars.

Yes.

600000 dollars.

Yeah, I'm not even talking about the price of this thing.

I mean, I agree 100 percent with Doug Demiro, who said on his

podcast about it, he said the only people who will buy this

Ferrari are people Ferrari forced to buy it in order to get an

allocation for another Ferrari.

All right, I haven't thought on that.

It kind of goes into what my what I was going to say to start off with.

All right, so the interior is excellent.

A couple of people, one of the guys I follow who is a tech guy.

He he went out there, he drove the prototype car.

And he when I saw he said the interior is

is better than it looks and function.

It is better than it looks.

But then you got to get out the car and see it and realize that you

had to pay 600000 dollars for this.

So and and the follow that kind of go along with that is.

So you remember when Apple and Sony got together and they said

there was going to be Apple said there's going to be a car.

Yes.

And then Apple and Sony got together and they said there's going to be a car.

Yes.

And then they decided to cancel said car.

Yes.

And then they went and posted the Apple dude to come design design parts of this car.

Yes.

I think this is the Apple car.

You think I mean you may be right, dude.

They may have just recycled everything that was the failed Apple car

and and and convinced Ferrari.

It was a good idea to put a horse on it.

And and I think making it a Ferrari in name was a terrible idea.

I think they'd have been better off to launch an EV only brand by Ferrari

and call it something else.

I don't know what they could have called it.

They could have called it tractor guinea or something to make fun of their

competitors, but they could have come up with another name like a Genesis type

deal and and said these are our EVs only.

If this this is controversial, I just thought about this.

If this was the car that Jaguar came up with and it cost a 100000

dollars, people wouldn't be mad.

No, people would not be mad.

And here's the thing.

If if it were this ugly, which is pretty bad and it were 600000

dollars, which is pretty bad, but people got in it and drove it, which not as

far as I know, nobody's really driven this thing yet.

Oh, no, people have driven it.

They've driven the camera, the camera car.

Like I said, the people who went out there real real world driving

real world driving like usable driving.

They took them to a track to drive the car.

Right.

If if people really drove this thing and they got out of it and it was

three seconds around road America faster than a GT three RS and, you know, had had

better acceleration than a Lucid Sapphire plaid air universe, then then people would

be like, OK, well, this is the ugly new 600000 dollar Ferrari.

But my gosh, is it perform?

I heard.

So when you're talking about technology, evidently, this car has like three motors

at each wheel and there's all types of ridiculous things and stuff like that.

And we will see what I didn't realize until because I got I was telling you,

I really was not that concerned about this far and looking for this car.

I didn't realize it had suicide doors until today.

I did not realize that.

And I mean, if you break it down into its individual parts,

there's a lot of good car stuff in cars.

There's a platypus. Oh, man.

A platypus.

Dude, that's it.

That's it.

It's a whole lot of pieces.

It's a whole lot of pieces that by themselves would be really cool.

But when you put it all in one animal, you just be like, that thing's probably

better off on the wall.

Yeah.

When I heard somebody refer to a platypus as this was the animal that God

designed on his day off.

And maybe maybe that's I mean,

let's be honest, neither one of us.

And and I'm going to go ahead and make a really easy assumption here.

And if I'm wrong, feel free to write to us at B.S.CarGuys.com.

But.

I don't think anybody listened to this podcast, ourselves included,

New Enzo Ferrari personally.

Nope.

But I think it's fair to assume.

That if he walked out of the door of the office

and saw this car sitting on his shop floor.

He would smack somebody.

He would have issues.

I think he would punch somebody in the throat.

They might get a knife hand.

You know how you look at an ugly car from trying from every angle,

trying to find an angle that it kind of looks half decent.

Well, you try to find the designer's angle, right?

You're looking for when the designer designed this car, they designed it

to be looked at a certain way.

Right. I'm on the Ferrari website right now.

And there's no good way to look at this car.

I found a half decent looking angle.

And when I say half decent, I'm stretching.

But.

But they have one where it has five spoke wheels on it as red

and it's down on the bottom.

So I saw it.

I did the blue with the five spokes.

It don't.

It don't look half bad.

And then you see the press and hearse on it and it just kills it.

It is wrong.

Because like I said, it is and it is a really bad Ferrari.

But it would be a really good Nissan Leaf.

The Nissan Leaf, I've seen the people compare that

and that was because it came out in that same color as you get on the Nissan Leaf.

Similar color as you get on the Nissan Leaf.

I'm sure the color when you apply that color on the Ferrari.

It I mean, I just picked up as like a small junkie.

E V. I mean, no, we could we could be talking about a Prius.

Bro, they got they have ever did.

If I see them, I'm surprised you haven't seen it,

where they have they put both of them beside each other to compare.

Oh, really? No, no, no.

I just randomly picked the leaf because it was like the cheapest, smallest

E V car I could think of quickly.

You Google Google that and you'll see what I'm talking about.

They have both of them in the same blue color and they'll be comparing them side to side.

So this, like I was saying, this car, I wasn't really looking.

I wasn't looking for I'm not excited about it, but I do have a theory also.

This car is not for Ferrari buyers, not the people who buy for us right now.

This car isn't for you.

I they are similar.

Yeah, this car isn't for you or I who have lost it at the Ferrari.

It's you and our lives.

This car is for the people who we were talking about earlier.

Prior to the car.

Oh, prior to parking that I figured out how to sell enough feet pics

that they can afford a 600000 dollar car and they just want something different.

I disagree. I think Ferrari thinks it's for

young tech people who really couldn't care less if it was a Ferrari

or Lamborghini or a Tesla.

They just want an E V that looks different than any other E V

this week at the Starbucks.

But the problem is Ferraris are cars that are like

lifetime covet cars where you spend 60 years of your life

accruing and acquiring and and and calling at the earth with your

bloody fingernails so that you can own an F 40 because you had a buddy

in college that had a poster of one in his dorm room.

And and you just knew that that was the car that would make you whole.

Bro, this ain't that car.

And so people will buy this car so that they can get another car from Ferrari.

They won't and then they will throw this car away.

I think we just described the same person minus one detail.

You said this person worked hard and they just for 60 years.

The person who I'm talking to the difference between that person.

Well, besides the car where they is.

This is the dude who retired off of selling feet picks when he was damn 30

and he wants the thing that he wants.

I said, dang, I didn't say I said, dang, I didn't say the other word

when he was down 30 and he he wants to he wants the car that nobody else has

because that's going to make him stand out.

It is as

what's your disposable as the guy who you described before a different reason.

He's the dude.

This is the same person who gets into a Ferrari and wraps it pink with unicorns or something.

OK, you're not wrong about that.

You know, you know what I mean?

And if he didn't sell all the feet picks, he just inherited all

he just his daddy and mommy had all the whole bunch of money.

You think this is the influencers for a.

This is.

I don't want to.

I don't want to speak badly about an influencer, but I had a negative

connotation about an influencer back in the day.

And I have not seen anything.

She is a car influencer.

I have not seen anything that changes my opinion about her.

I will admit that I think she is a car person.

I just don't.

She just maybe not my kind of car person.

You think they built.

Do you think they built this car for Supercar?

Bond, this this is this is the car that she is.

This is the car version of her is what you're saying.

This is the car for her people.

For her people, her people.

And that being fake.

Internet personalities.

That are about as about as shallow as a Pringles lead.

First of all, sir, we she's a person.

But but her persona online, I don't know.

I have a certain has a certain aura to it.

It does.

It does have an aura to it.

I I we used to have a kid that work with me, work with me.

And that was his introduction to car people.

And I was so disappointed that somebody failed him in life.

But I was like.

But, you know, she has an audience.

She wouldn't be as we would know she was if she wasn't famous for doing the things

she does. And this this car fits that persona for like a better terms of

I I want to do the most different thing.

I want to be.

I want the thing that nobody else is going to be able to get.

I want to be the exclusive person because another thing that.

You're talking about none of us have all of us collectively

who are listening to and speaking on this podcast or something like this.

We will never see this car.

Not in real life.

I think you're right, because I think this will be the last.

I think this may very it has the opportunity, especially if they're

publicly traded stock prices continue to rock it downward.

This has the potential to be the last new Ferrari.

And as you know, with the way that things are going,

it does has the potential to do that.

I will it. Will it be?

I don't know.

But it is positioned itself.

Go ahead.

All right. So I'm going to say this.

And I'm going to try to be positive because I'm a positive guy.

And me, and then I'm going to do something else.

I hope this car does something similar to

for as the the Cayenne did for Porsche and helps us build the Ferrari

that we actually want to see.

That's I don't think it's going to have that.

I didn't say think I said I hope I said hope.

I said, oh, OK, OK, there, Obama.

Let's keep hope alive.

I'm hoping.

And now that with that said, let's talk about a car

that I actually kind of want to talk about.

Did you see the Bumblebee?

Yes.

But what are our thoughts truck guy on the wrong?

We'll be we have we have predicted the this truck entering the market

a few times over the last few years.

We we really have.

Now, I was going to be three different versions of it.

But yeah, that was kind of a surprise to me as well.

I am not a fan.

I don't like sport trucks.

I think that is an oxymoron.

Get out of the podcast.

I would probably rather have a platypus.

We want our bill back.

You're not our bill.

A truck is four wheel drive and is for work.

I'm not a sport truck guy.

Never have been.

Never will be.

Do I think there are some people out there who have built custom one off

drift trucks and sport trucks and race trucks and things that are cool?

Yes.

Do I think automotive manufacturers should just be building

sport trucks?

Sure, but it ain't for me.

Like I fully understand and recognize the ability and potential

of the Mexican GTR, which is to say the Ford F 150

in a complete work spec with a short bed and a regular cab

and a five liter V8 that people are, you know,

turning into just absolute street monsters.

Do I think that that's a cool segment of car culture?

Yes.

But am I going out of my way to seek it out to be a part of it or own it or drive it?

No.

Did I ever like Dobbs's truck?

Not really.

Do I like sport trucks?

Not at all.

So.

What?

I'm off.

He had a truck.

He had.

Who had the dog with the 57

Or 59

Who had that?

No, that was that was Gable.

Gable.

Yeah, I did not care.

I didn't care for that truck.

Was it loud and fast and everybody thought it was like the coolest?

Yes.

Did I agree with all those comments?

Yeah, it was cool that he had it and it was loud fast.

Would I have ever owned one?

No, it's just not my scene.

All right.

First of all, I thought you were saying something negative

and I was ready to be mad at you, but I can't be mad at you because we love you.

Right.

And then I then I'm so positive and I continue to listen to you

and then you self you you made the correction.

I agree with you that this isn't a truck for Bill.

Right.

But this Gables truck was my idea.

I that was the truck.

Really?

You've never shared that on the podcast before.

Tell us more.

Yeah, I that was the truck that I wanted.

That was the truck I could not afford.

And then they just built this big brother.

Can't will I go out here and spend a hundred and some thousand dollars on this truck?

Oh, no, not ever.

But I will appreciate one every time I see what it's just like like the SOT.

The SOT 10 that truck wasn't it was cool.

I wouldn't mind that.

I'm not sure.

Let's talk about the price of this thing for a second and what a mistake that is.

OK, the price.

I'm not even sure.

Oh, the price.

I'm not even sure.

But I know it's ridiculous.

You know, it's going to be a 100000 dollars, right?

And and and this is why I think it's a mistake because you can build.

You you can buy a a Ford F 150 Mexican GTR.

And that's not my phrase.

So that was coined by the internet.

I'm just using it.

People are proud of that.

That's my first time ever hearing it.

Really? Google Mexican GTR.

You tell me you don't see a picture of of a F 150.

So I mean, it's not my phrase.

That's that's a phrase that exists.

Midnight performance, Google, like they they coined that phrase.

And guess what? They're almost can.

So I just never heard it.

I'm just using common vernacular.

I am not racist.

So anyway, you can go buy one of those and build it

and have a much faster truck and arguably a better looking truck

for the same money.

First of all, evidently, this actually is a thing I did not know.

I don't know if y'all have heard me say before.

I am not heavy in these social media streets.

I do not.

But at the same time.

So. Now, you are the dude that are vaguely.

Is they kind of get that.

And I think we talked about this before to kind of get a bad rep

because a fool actually buys it.

Not it's not the truck's fault.

It's the person who buys it's fault of like TRX's and things like that.

TRX is in Raptors and stuff because they never get a better.

Rx is in Raptor people.

Yeah, they they.

Y'all are doing too much.

You buy that much truck to never get a dirty, which makes no,

which makes it probably as much as as much sense to me as

street trucks in general, as you described a second ago.

I don't understand the purpose of buying that truck and you and you

not living in California or Arizona somewhere where you can go do that

type of stuff with it.

You know, because and I'm not like a big four by four guy, obviously.

But that's too big of a truck to be out there and trail and stuff.

Right. It is.

And so.

But I do appreciate that that truck exists.

And this truck essentially is a lower TRX with street to suspension.

Right. And and I honestly, I think that's why they built it.

Because I think they were already seeing people chopping up TRX's.

And which.

Which please don't do that.

Don't don't do that.

Don't get a Raptor or TRX and lower it.

Don't look.

OK, let's talk about that for a second.

You see anybody chop up a Raptor and lower it.

I don't want to see that.

I don't want to look. I don't want to Google that.

Now, I don't know a guy.

I do know a guy who lives near me.

That has some ridiculous

spaced wheels and rubber band tires on a brandy Raptor.

Why and and and they are a full six inches wider than the truck on both sides.

He literally takes up the roads where I live are small roads.

People might refer to him as back roads and he takes up the entire lane.

So he is he is a car that the girl was saying.

What was the movie?

Need for need for speed.

What is she saying?

In the need for speed, the movie that was going to the race.

There was in the backwoods and it was the one that she got.

Oh, what is she called it?

She now got to watch the movie again.

Do you remember to see them talking about?

Not really.

They vaguely.

They were in the 90 percent of the movie is in the Mustang.

So that doesn't help it.

Good point. Good point.

Anyway, now I got to look it up.

I will bring that back to you all next time we talk.

Anyway, I will not buy this truck.

It will cost a hundred plus thousand dollars.

A great, great.

But I but I will appreciate it in the same vein as the SRT 10.

I never really liked the SRT 10.

Oh, I thought it was a ridiculous idea.

I thought the lightning was a way better execution of that or the

the Chevy SS, well, full 54 SS was a better execution of that.

But Dodge and Ram have a tendency to do ridiculous things.

That's true. They do.

They do have that tendency.

You were not wrong about that.

You know, speaking of Dodge, I just this is a revelation that I've had

in the last few months.

I really think the Viper has grown on me like like the speaking of ridiculous things.

Yeah, I really like a second gen Viper.

Yeah, I always liked them as a kid, you know, when they were new.

But they were like, you know, it's like saying I like a Picasso painting.

They're just ridiculous.

All right. So hot thing.

But now that I'm a little older and a little wiser.

I look at them a little differently.

And now look at them and I'm like, I might would, given the opportunity,

own and drive a Viper.

I think.

I I think the second gen Viper, especially the GTS, the hard top.

Is whoo, you can't.

I wouldn't own the convertible.

I would not own the convertible has aged very, very well.

Hot take the first gen Viper currently is Stanley's eye is ugly.

I don't think it's ugly.

It is not.

But it's ugly.

It ain't Luca ugly.

But yeah.

Yeah, it is compared to the second gen.

It is not attractive.

Now, that's factual.

When you put them side by side, I would absolutely.

Like if you gave me a track day and said, we've got every generation of Viper

sitting here, which ones do you want to drive?

I'd be like, just let me do the second gen.

I'm good.

Yeah, I remember my first time here, first time here in one,

unlike my first time as being at the Ferrari.

What was the name of the dealership that they used to be in Greensboro?

Is it still there?

Yeah, it's just got a new, bigger location now.

It's not in the same place it used to be.

Foreign cars, Italian.

For that Ferrari, did some things in Maloan's that day.

That sounds.

I don't think we can say that.

That is not a bad word.

I don't think we can say we this is not that kind of podcast, sir.

It gave me feelings.

Can I say that?

Not no, no.

I have feelings.

I have feelings about that.

But one thing that is not impressive about a Dodge Viper, because even though I

I, you know, I don't think the first gen has age as well as the second gen.

Good.

No, I agree for that.

I'm here for that.

That's good comment.

One thing about Vipers that was never really impressive was the way they sounded.

You know, there's something about side exit exhaust that never sounds as good as

you want it to and and.

V10s are tough, like they're not as difficult as a V6 to make sound good,

but V10s are just tough to make them sound good.

I don't know outside of two cars.

OK, let me see if you self corrected this time.

The Porsche Carrera GT.

Oh, and the best sounding V10 of all time.

The Lexus LFA.

OK.

All right. Not the correction that I thought you were going to make.

Acceptable.

I was going to say I am in evidently a small

camp of people that do not hate V6 the way V6 is sound.

I like the way the VQ sounds.

Really, I'm almost convinced that if you could take a day trip to Hades,

the fire burns you, but they're playing the soundtrack of a straight pipe VQ.

And that's what everybody has to listen to.

You try to tell me were you were you at one of the worst.

I think it's one of the worst sounding engines that's ever been built.

Was that you that was with me at WTI?

When we saw when the Z came back.

And somebody was a G35.

I was already out of the Marine Corps and

working in the milk shop as a shipping coordinator whenever the the Z made its

return in the 350.

Yeah, I think it was a G35 or 350 that

had some had some exhaust on it.

And I remember hearing that sound.

It's like that.

That's that's nice.

Remember when they remember when they teased when they showed us the concept car

of the G35 before it came out and they called it the Skyline and they said it was

just going to be sold as the Skyline and everybody got excited thinking that it

was going to be the Skyline in the United States finally.

And then that thing just came out as a G35 and was an infinity.

I was beyond furious.

I'm actually still mad at Nissan.

I actually think some of me making fun of

ultimate drivers and how bad they are coincidentally almost got hit by one this

morning and guess what?

Whole drivers door caved in whole drivers door caved in.

Not the first not literally not his first rodeo of almost hitting somebody.

First of all, I'm just saying, but I think some of my animosity towards Nissan

in general is it started that day.

I like Nissan up until that day.

And then I was like, no, I don't trust you.

But to shady people.

You out here financing people with 27 and a half credit scores for 96 months.

And and and and telling me you're going to build a Skyline and then it's a G 35.

I'm not here for it.

Bill,

this will be the last because we have a week.

I think we have hit our timeline.

The Nissan drivers of America listen to this podcast

and they put a hit out on you.

I hate to tell you, but they put a hit out on light poles, stop signs, curves,

that's no rain, shopping carts.

They are looking for you.

80 year olds named Luis.

They like they've got hits out on literally everybody because they have a Nissan.

They have accomplished hits.

They've accomplished hits on a lot of people.

They bet you there.

I bet you there are more Nissan Ultimas.

Illegally inside businesses right now than there are.

Ferrari's in houses.

I don't know what you're trying to say.

In a moment right now in the United States, there's a there's a Nissan crashed

into a business.

More than their I was trying to figure out what you were trying to say with that.

You lost you lost me on that one for a second.

If there is if you put one,

oh, not one word, alter that phrase a little bit in North Carolina,

because I truly believe this is North Carolina.

It is not is not you.

You obviously look, we again get out of your hobbit hole.

I'm go go to Atlanta.

Go go.

Why would I do that?

But I would see you will see exactly what I'm talking about.

I'm not sure if you're a listener to this podcast and you're in an urban

environment where they are crashed Nissan Ultimas all over the roadway.

Driving in all the lanes, probably not the slow lanes, but likely the fast lane,

possibly even the little shoulder lane between the concrete barrier and the fast

lane, possibly driving against the concrete barrier.

And you know what I'm talking about.

Send us a message.

You know what?

I may try to throw a poll on the Facebook page.

Have you seen a crashed Ultima in the last two days and just see how many people

will get respond to it?

Have you seen a damaged Ultima in the last two days?

And I guarantee you I am not alone and it is not just a North Carolina problem.

I'm going to keep believing that this is a North Carolina thing.

You know what? I'm on Google.

I'm on Google right now.

What's the ratio of what is the current ratio of damaged Ultimas to pristine

Ultimas? I'm going to Google it right now.

I bet Google's got that number and I'm betting it's 80 to one crashed to correct.

And on that note, ladies and gentlemen,

while he looks up this impossible Gemini Google search.

Thank you all for hanging out with us tonight.

Hey, we love you.

Bill, I love you and all your crazy fun.

Jump. I love you for putting up with me.

Not funny jokes.

You don't have that many nice funny jokes.

I mean, most most of them are not not funny.

But but you know what?

They make me happy and gosh darned it.

I like me.

Not y'all.

Chevrolet Suburban

Lincoln Navigator

Nissan Altima

Dodge Challenger

Dodge Charger

Nissan Leaf

Toyota Prius

Ferrari F40

Porsche Cayenne

Ford F150

F-150 Raptor

Ford Mustang

Ford F-150 Lightning

Dodge Ram

Dodge Viper

Porsche Carrera GT

Porsche Carrera

Lexus Lfa

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