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Welcome to this weekend drive edition of Daily Drive
01:13
for the third week in February, 2026.
01:16
I'm Kellan Walker in Las Vegas.
01:18
We're breaking down some of the biggest stories
01:19
in the auto industry from the past week.
01:21
Looking forward to what's in store in the days ahead.
01:24
Joining me today are Larry Veliquette,
01:26
who covers Toyota, Mazda and Subaru for us
01:29
at Automotive News.
01:30
Larry Legend, thanks for joining us.
01:35
And Greg Lason, digital and mobile editor
01:36
of our sibling publication, Automotive News Canada
01:39
and host of the Automotive News Canada podcast.
01:42
Greg, it's great to have you back.
01:45
All right guys, so let's start with the big news
01:48
from this week, the US Supreme Court struck down
01:50
many of President Trump's tariffs,
01:52
ruling they were issued illegally
01:54
under a 1977 emergency powers law.
01:58
Larry, this is a six to three decision
02:00
that affects reciprocal tariffs
02:01
and duties on Canadian, Mexican and Chinese goods.
02:05
But tariffs on vehicles, auto parts, steel, aluminum
02:08
and copper remain in place.
02:10
Walk us through what just happened here.
02:13
So, Kell, what happened is that these US Supreme Court
02:17
ruled six to three to say that Donald Trump
02:20
did not have the ability to enact these emergency tariffs
02:25
under what's known as the IEPA, IEPA tariffs.
02:31
Notably, this was the same ruling
02:33
that the Supreme Court upheld a ruling
02:35
mentioned six months or that was made six months ago
02:39
that these tariffs were illegal.
02:40
And a majority of the Supreme Court said yes.
02:44
But in that ruling, when six months ago,
02:48
they stayed the decision pending this outcome.
02:51
So the tariffs have continued to be collected
02:55
during the last six months.
02:57
And now what's happened here,
02:59
and this is extremely complicated,
03:01
but let's just stick with the auto industry part, right?
03:04
Because it's gonna be a mess, no matter what.
03:09
Because we're talking about now the government
03:13
has to refund this money
03:14
because it was collected unconstitutionally.
03:17
Right now, the estimate of what's been collected
03:21
under this emergency powers law is about $133 billion,
03:26
including at least $8.6 billion
03:29
that was collected in the auto industry.
03:32
And that will have to be refunded at some point.
03:34
We think the decision didn't actually deal with it
03:39
with how to refund it.
03:41
It simply said that these were illegal.
03:44
So right now, we are hours when we're recording this,
03:47
we're hours into this decision.
03:49
It's gonna take some time for everybody to digest this.
03:53
Already though, we are seeing some reactions
03:56
from the federal government,
03:57
the Trump administration saying
04:00
that they'll just redo these tariffs under different laws.
04:04
What is notable though is that most for the auto industry,
04:07
most of the ruling, most of the tariffs
04:09
paid by the auto industry
04:12
are what are called section 232 tariffs.
04:15
Those tariffs remain in place.
04:17
So the tariffs that are driving up prices
04:20
in dealerships across the country
04:23
and really creating havoc with our trading partners,
04:27
those are unaffected by this ruling.
04:29
Now, Greg, from a Canadian perspective,
04:31
what does this ruling mean?
04:33
The court didn't say whether refunds are owed
04:35
or how they be distributed.
04:37
What are you hearing?
04:38
I mean, more than anything for Canadians as a whole
04:41
and even in the auto industry,
04:43
this is more of a moral victory.
04:44
It feels good because Donald Trump has been ruled against
04:48
and remember, as Larry said,
04:50
most of what this ruling covers
04:53
are tariffs and duties outside of the auto industry.
04:56
But what it does is it gives a little bit of hope
04:58
to the industry and to Canadians
04:59
that the 232 tariffs might be next.
05:02
Although if you listen to all the experts,
05:05
Donald Trump has a little more leeway
05:06
and a little more authority over those 232 tariffs.
05:09
And so those will probably remain in place.
05:12
And so just as the prices remain high in the United States,
05:16
they're gonna remain high over here.
05:19
Some of the tariffs that have been collected
05:21
under the IWEPA, maybe there's a refund coming,
05:25
but as Larry said, we're still a few hours into this.
05:28
We don't really know who's getting back what
05:30
or if they even have to be reimbursed at this point.
05:33
But in the immediate term, there's a lot of positivity.
05:36
There are a lot of people applauding the decision
05:38
and right down from government officials,
05:41
those in opposition, some in the auto industry.
05:43
But basically everyone's saying, okay, now do 232.
05:47
Are those going away or are they staying?
05:48
Chances are they're going to stay
05:50
because they are a matter of national security
05:53
according to the president.
05:54
And according to American laws,
05:56
the president has the ability to institute those tariffs
06:00
if they are deemed to address a national security issue.
06:04
So in Donald Trump's mind, aluminum, steel, auto, auto parts,
06:08
those all represent a national security threat
06:11
to the United States.
06:12
Now I would say this, I would agree with that.
06:14
If in fact we were sending over Chinese electric vehicles,
06:18
perhaps there is a national security issue there
06:20
in terms of technology, but just from building vehicles
06:24
in Canada and even in Mexico under the USMCA,
06:27
a lot of people in Canada within the industry
06:29
just don't see a national defense
06:31
or a national security issue with anything that's built
06:34
under the guys and under the rules of origin of the USMCA.
06:38
Can I just clarify something that Greg just said?
06:41
He prefaced that last sentence with among Canadians
06:47
and it should also include among Canadians
06:49
and many, many Americans.
06:51
They don't see a national threat
06:54
in driving a Chrysler Pacifica or a Toyota RAV4.
06:59
That does not constitute a national threat
07:02
to many, many Americans.
07:04
So I just want to point to that out
07:06
that there are many of us who are on the same side
07:12
And Larry, as you mentioned, the auto industry paid
07:15
about 8.6 billion through October 2025
07:18
in duties now deemed unconstitutional.
07:21
How do you expect suppliers and automakers to respond?
07:24
Do you see them filing a lawsuit to get their money back?
07:27
Well, presumably they shouldn't have to, right?
07:30
I mean, for every dollar that gets sent
07:32
into the federal government, there's a receipt.
07:36
And even though you're talking about separate fiscal years,
07:39
either side of October 1st,
07:41
there is a record of what every company paid in duties.
07:44
So presumably you just reverse those,
07:49
just like a tax return, you just reverse those transactions
07:53
for the duties that are deemed unconstitutional.
07:56
Now, will the federal government do that?
07:58
Probably not, they'll make it very complex.
08:01
But right now they don't really know.
08:04
Nobody knows at this point what'll happen,
08:07
but I will say this, if I'm a supplier
08:10
or if I'm an automaker who did pay a couple hundred
08:14
million dollars in duties that are now unconstitutional,
08:18
damn right, I want my money back, right?
08:21
I have more use for that money than the US government does.
08:25
I wanna make sure that I get that back.
08:28
So I think every company is gonna be very eager
08:31
to watch for a way, watch what the way is
08:35
that they're gonna get their money back.
08:37
But really, they shouldn't have to file lawsuits.
08:40
They shouldn't have to do anything other than say
08:43
to the Department of Treasury or the Department of Commerce,
08:47
hey, we sent you this money, you weren't able
08:50
to take it legally, send it back.
08:51
Before this week's Supreme Court ruling,
08:54
tariffs were already hitting dealer lots hard.
08:56
Larry, walk us through this new data from Catalyst IQ
08:59
that says automakers used model year changeovers
09:02
to quietly raise prices about $1,200 more aggressively
09:08
Yeah, so Catalyst IQ is the successor company
09:11
to Cloud Theory and Cloud Theory has been tracking
09:14
average marketed price for us since these tariffs
09:18
came online back in April.
09:21
So we've had a little box in our website every day
09:25
that shows what the average marketed price is for that day.
09:27
And if you notice, if you watch that,
09:29
you noticed it didn't move very much.
09:32
And a lot of that was because even as the tariffs kicked in,
09:35
automakers were adjusting the mix.
09:37
And so just this broad average wasn't really showing
09:42
We also thought that what we were told by automakers
09:45
is that a lot of them didn't wanna get up in the face,
09:49
get it up in the grill of the Trump administration
09:51
by raising prices, even though they were paying these bills,
09:56
notably Toyota paid $10 billion this year in tariffs.
10:00
They didn't wanna get up there and get in front
10:03
and say, we have to raise prices because of these tariffs.
10:07
So what they did, we believed was what we were told
10:11
they were gonna do was bake them into the model
10:14
So what we did is we went to Catalyst IQ
10:17
who every night scrapes information off of every dealer
10:22
website in the United States by VIN.
10:25
And we said, take a look at that data
10:28
and tell us how prices have changed on vehicles
10:31
that were not built in the US.
10:34
And they can do that by VIN, right?
10:35
The first number of the VIN indicates what country,
10:38
first number of letter indicates what country
10:40
the vehicle was assembled in.
10:43
So they went back, they did the analysis.
10:45
And what they found is that the vehicles
10:48
from four nations had significant increases.
10:52
The biggest one was our friends north of the border, Canada.
10:56
Their prices, the prices of Canadian assembled vehicles
11:00
sold in the United States went up almost 10%
11:04
just since last October.
11:06
So what that tells you is that automakers
11:08
were baking that into the changeovers, right?
11:12
The same happened though not quite as extreme
11:15
with vehicles from Japan, with vehicles from Germany
11:18
and with vehicles from Mexico.
11:20
US-made vehicles went up slightly, right?
11:23
Less than 100 bucks.
11:25
And what's really interesting is that vehicles assembled
11:28
in South Korea actually went down.
11:32
How does that work?
11:33
Yeah, exactly, right?
11:35
How does that work?
11:36
Well, I tell you how it works.
11:38
If you're an automaker and you have prices rising
11:42
all around you, what do you do?
11:44
If you keep your prices low or actually even lower them,
11:48
you are buying what's called buying share.
11:50
You're buying market share, right?
11:52
It's gonna cost you a little more,
11:54
but you've now answered the affordability challenge
11:58
for consumers, you've exposed them to your vehicles.
12:02
So this drop, which is laid out in our story,
12:06
this drop is simply a move by Hyundai Kia.
12:10
Just to mention, General Motors also was building
12:13
the tracks there, right?
12:15
This is a move generally by Hyundai Kia to buy share.
12:20
Now, Greg, we just heard the data from Larry,
12:23
and as he said, sticker prices have jumped nearly $4,000
12:27
for vehicles that have been assembled in Canada.
12:30
This has to be painful for Canadian built vehicles.
12:34
How are they reacting north of the border?
12:36
I mean, so far it's full steam ahead
12:38
for Toyota building the RAV4.
12:40
Part of the reason some of the prices in Canada went up
12:43
is because Toyota, for example,
12:44
went all hybrid on all its RAV4s,
12:47
a little more expensive,
12:49
but Toyota has made massive investments
12:52
in their factories up here,
12:54
and they're not turning their back on it.
12:55
Honda is full steam ahead where they're at now,
12:57
and they did move some production to the United States
13:00
to avoid some reciprocal tariffs and that sort of stuff.
13:03
So right now, early on,
13:05
it doesn't look like much is going to change,
13:07
but we're still waiting for Ford Oakville
13:09
to come back online.
13:10
I don't know what happens there with super-duty trucks
13:13
when they're starting to be produced.
13:14
We're waiting to see what fills Brampton Assembly
13:18
owned by Stellantis.
13:19
We don't know what's going to be in there right now.
13:21
The easy solution is don't build anything in Canada.
13:23
If you have an empty factory, just don't fill it.
13:25
You can save some money.
13:27
So in terms of sticker prices in Canada,
13:29
I can confirm too that transaction prices through 2025
13:33
were up about two, two and a half percent,
13:35
not as much as everyone thought,
13:37
but we do know that automakers
13:38
are spreading out the cost of tariffs across all vehicles.
13:42
JD Power always uses this example
13:44
where if one particular vehicle has a price increase
13:47
of $6,000, that vehicle doesn't go up $6,000.
13:51
10 vehicles go up $600.
13:53
So they're spreading it out a little bit.
13:55
So in terms of the consumer in Canada,
13:57
we haven't seen a lot yet.
13:58
In terms of production in Canada, it's full steam ahead
14:00
because as everyone knows,
14:02
this industry just doesn't turn on a dime.
14:04
They've invested in this now
14:05
and everyone's waiting to see what happens with
14:07
as we started the show, 232 tariffs and with the USMCA.
14:12
Once there's more clarity, this dust might settle
14:16
and we might see transaction prices
14:18
come back down to somewhere a little more normal, pre-tariff.
14:22
The other thing I can tell you is automakers up here
14:23
are also adding to their destination fees.
14:26
So the sticker prices still look reasonably affordable
14:30
on some vehicles, but when you look at the destination fees,
14:33
some of them have almost doubled in cost.
14:36
So the automakers are finding a way to make up
14:38
for that cost of the tariffs.
14:40
Perfect, all right.
14:41
Well, speaking of big news from this week,
14:43
Volkswagen workers in Chattanooga just ratified
14:46
their first UAW contract in a landslide vote.
14:49
Coming up, we'll talk about what that means
14:51
for the union's Southern organizing push.
14:54
That's next on Weekend Drive.
14:59
The auto industry is the most disrupted
15:03
on the planet right now.
15:05
On this week's episode of the automotive news shift podcast,
15:08
we hear from Dan Hirsch, global co-leader of automotive
15:11
and industrial practice at Alex Partners.
15:14
He breaks down the firm's 2026 disruption index
15:18
and explains why tariffs, geopolitical tensions
15:22
and the rise of the Chinese automakers
15:24
are leaving global executives struggling
15:26
to plan for the future.
15:28
Senior executives, they are either finding themselves
15:31
in a spot where they have to redefine themselves,
15:33
which could be very difficult when you're really
15:35
well-established or they're going to find themselves
15:38
in a very different role or in a very different company.
15:42
Join me on Shift, available this Sunday,
15:45
wherever you get your podcasts.
15:50
Welcome back to Weekend Drive.
15:52
I'm Kellan Walker with Larry Bellacuette and Greg Lason.
15:56
So Volkswagen workers in Chattanooga
15:58
have ratified their first contract with the UAW,
16:01
and it wasn't even close.
16:03
Now, Larry, UAW President Sean Fain says
16:05
96% of workers approved the four-year pact.
16:09
That's a landslide.
16:10
What did workers get from the deal?
16:12
The terms of the deal, according to the UAW,
16:14
this is their first contract with VW.
16:17
The workers will get a 20% general wage increase
16:22
They get improved healthcare with lower out-of-pocket costs,
16:25
a one-time $4,000 ratification bonus
16:29
and annual bonuses of $2,550 each year.
16:34
So you got about $14,000, $15,000 in bonuses
16:39
over five years, plus a 20% wage bonus.
16:43
That's, yeah, it's not bad money.
16:44
After taxes, though, let's be real.
16:49
We're all paying them.
16:50
I know we're all paying them, right?
16:52
One reason why I say that is because tax time is like now.
16:56
Oh yeah, believe me.
16:57
And trust me, I'm paying more than you guys.
17:03
You're paying 2% more.
17:04
Don't kid yourself.
17:06
Then you get healthcare.
17:08
Well, this is a major victory for the union
17:10
in a decades-long push to organize
17:12
foreign-owned plants in the South.
17:14
Where does the UAW go from here?
17:16
And what's the next target?
17:18
So they have many targets that they identified early on,
17:22
whether they can get any of the rest of them to votes.
17:27
We haven't seen yet, right?
17:29
The next one, obviously, we think is gonna be Mercedes.
17:33
They're plants in the South.
17:35
This might be a one-and-done.
17:37
I'm gonna say first, this is a historic achievement, right?
17:44
They have not had success organizing transplant workers
17:51
It was before Mike Martinez was born, as we noted.
17:55
But it's a long way back.
17:58
I was still in middle school at that point.
18:01
So it's been a very, very long time since they had success.
18:05
And just winning an election was historic.
18:08
Actually getting a first contract is way more difficult.
18:12
And the fact that they did,
18:13
and that they got 96% approval on eradication,
18:17
is pretty stunning.
18:18
Now, will other workers in the South at Mercedes,
18:22
at, you know, perhaps BMW, Toyota's got a plant in Missouri
18:27
that they were targeting for a while, will they go to?
18:30
That's the open question.
18:32
What I will say is those companies are probably not going to,
18:37
they're gonna do everything they can to not be unionized,
18:40
but there's a secret.
18:42
And I say this as a former union negotiator, right?
18:45
If you don't want a union at your place of business,
18:49
act like you already have one, right?
18:52
If you're an employer, and if you don't want
18:56
your company unionized, act like it's already there.
19:01
Treat your employees like they're already unionized,
19:03
and you won't have a union.
19:05
That sounds like Toyota though, right?
19:07
Isn't Toyota kind of like that?
19:08
Well, I can speak for that up in Canada.
19:11
I have Toyota employees tell me all the time,
19:13
we don't need a union because they give us
19:15
what Unifor negotiates with the Detroit three.
19:18
So they have no reason to vote for a union
19:21
because Toyota turns around and gives them essentially
19:23
the pattern that the Detroit three get
19:25
when they bargain with Unifor.
19:27
Yeah, and they did the same,
19:28
the foreign transplant plants did the same thing
19:32
when the UAW got its contract here,
19:35
and what was that, 23, right?
19:38
Yeah, they almost all immediately raised wages as a result.
19:42
Well, Greg, speaking of Canada,
19:44
I know Canadian workers have been watching this.
19:46
Does this have any implications north of the border?
19:50
I mean, Unifor's been trying hard to unionize Toyota,
19:54
Honda, others around the province
19:56
and the supply chain and supply check sector.
19:58
I don't foresee that happening ever at Honda and Toyota.
20:03
I always get positive reactions from them
20:05
in terms of their pay, their wages, their hours,
20:10
What I'm keeping my eye on is,
20:12
I mean, they did unionize Nextstar,
20:14
which was up until recently a joint venture
20:16
between LG Energy Solution and Stellantis.
20:20
So they unionized that shop, the Battery Plant Windsor.
20:23
I think the next target would be
20:26
Volkswagen's PowerCo Battery Plant in St. Thomas,
20:29
but I mean, shovels are barely in the ground there,
20:31
but that would be the next target for Unifor, I think,
20:35
Yeah, they're gonna need workers there
20:37
before they can form a union right there.
20:40
The world long ways off.
20:42
I mean, like I said, shovels barely in the ground there.
20:45
Let's get some bodies in the building first.
20:48
Or let's get a building first.
20:50
Yeah, or let's get an actual building first, right?
20:52
Can we get the foundation built first?
20:55
Now, shifting gears to something we've been hearing
20:57
a lot about, humanoid robots and manufacturing.
21:01
Now, Greg, you've been covering this story
21:02
as automakers like Hyundai and Mercedes
21:04
push toward full assembly automation
21:07
with humanoid robots.
21:09
Experts are warning about a fundamental economic paradox.
21:13
If robots eliminate manufacturing jobs,
21:16
who will have money to buy cars?
21:18
Walk us through what you found.
21:20
Yeah, I wrote a whole story on this
21:22
and it starts with a 70 year old story
21:24
that involves the UAW president, Walter Ruther
21:27
and a Ford Motor Company manager
21:29
who is allegedly Henry Ford II, having a conversation.
21:34
Where they say to each other,
21:36
hey, Walter, how are you gonna get those robots
21:39
And Ruther says, how are you gonna get them to buy cars?
21:41
So this has been going on for 70 years across automation.
21:46
And so when I wrote this story,
21:47
what we haven't been able to find
21:49
is a CFO or an accountant at an automaker
21:52
who's actually looked at this and said,
21:54
hey, we can't go full automation
21:56
because we'd have no one to buy our cars.
21:58
But what I have found is Unifor, for example,
22:01
wants to sit down and negotiate robotics
22:04
and humanoid robots as part of the collective agreement.
22:08
They want to make sure that they aren't taking jobs,
22:10
but that they're enhancing jobs,
22:12
that they're increasing efficiency and productivity,
22:15
and that any of those gains are shared with the union.
22:19
So it's really going to become a bargaining topic
22:22
when they sit around the table,
22:23
probably this Labor Day and beyond
22:26
when contract talks start,
22:28
because we're coming up on that.
22:31
The other thing is this,
22:32
the Canadian government is trying to lure Chinese automakers
22:36
to Ontario to build vehicles.
22:38
Well, the thing is China leads the world
22:42
in robot densification.
22:45
They have more doing human jobs
22:47
than any other country on the planet.
22:48
And so we just ran a story over on auto news
22:52
and we picked it up at Auto News Canada saying,
22:54
the first dark factory,
22:56
which means all production done by humanoid robots,
22:58
AI and other robotics in the plant,
23:01
could appear in 2030 and it will likely be Chinese.
23:05
So the question is,
23:07
are we pursuing as a Canadian government
23:09
a factory that's going to come here
23:10
and then just not employ anyone?
23:12
We don't know that yet.
23:13
But if you've seen the videos just this week
23:16
of robots doing Kung Fu in China,
23:19
it is a scary proposition
23:20
that these robots are going to end up in factories
23:24
and they will end up in a Hyundai factory in Georgia
23:27
as late as this year or early next year doing some jobs.
23:30
In fact, Toyota Canada, just this week announced
23:33
it will have six on a shop floor
23:36
assisting in building RAV4s.
23:38
So yeah, it is a very valid question.
23:41
What do you do when the robots arrive?
23:43
Who is left to buy the vehicles?
23:45
One labor prof at Brock University that I spoke to says,
23:48
maybe the government has to step in
23:50
and declare a robot tax.
23:52
So if you have X amount of robots,
23:54
you have to pay more taxes
23:56
in order to offset the fewer employees
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that are needed on the factory floor.
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It is a conundrum that is coming.
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And I'm not so sure the union labor employees,
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governments and automakers are all on the same page
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when it comes to what happens
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when we have humanoid robots building vehicles.
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I will say Greg is absolutely right here.
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This is a larger issue than just the automaker
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and their labor relations.
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This is a larger issue than just governments and automakers.
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This is a societal issue.
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It's even bigger than just countries, right?
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You're talking about a global issue
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that is going to impact humanity writ large.
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Now, there are jobs where humanoid robots,
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you can see where humanoid robots would be so helpful,
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like home health aids, for example.
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Fantastic use if you could program them
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to have a humanoid robot to help somebody elderly
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off the toilet or out of the tub
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or to be there as long as they weren't,
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you're gonna kill them
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from all the science fiction we watch, right?
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But if you had an assistant there that could help you,
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When we get into manufacturing,
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let's look at what manufacturing jobs are.
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These are low education jobs for the most part.
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They are physically demanding jobs.
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They are repetitive.
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They lead to injuries.
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They're frankly perfect for robotics,
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but that's a problem.
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You have vast numbers of citizens who are in those jobs,
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And as a society, and not just in my nation,
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as a society mankind is gonna have to figure out
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what to do with this.
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I mean, you bring up a great point about assisting.
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So when I first started at Automotive News Canada,
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almost more than 10 years ago now,
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we did a story on Ford's exoskeletons
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that were being used to make it easier
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for its employees to lift heavy items such as batteries.
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And that was a real bonus.
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And that would save the health of the employee
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and money for the employer
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because those employees weren't suffering injuries as often
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as they were before wearing an exoskeleton to help.
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That is a way that they help.
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But we're talking about robots that can come in
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and simply do the job in its entirety.
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That is not job assistance.
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And that is a big, big issue for the unions
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and for the automakers.
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Do you guys think this is a little polarizing though?
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Because I just feel like with the robotic technology,
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we're still a little far off from having efficient robots.
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I mean, just as simple as robots that I've seen,
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like at CES of folding shirts,
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it's like a human can fold this shirt
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10 times faster than this robot, right?
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So it's like, is it just a little polarizing?
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Are we being a little too doom and gloom?
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Because my thing is, is I think robots are great
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for like the nasty jobs.
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So for instance, I think they should put robots in mines.
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No human wants to be in a copper mine, right?
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Put the robots in the mines.
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We wanna get all these, these battery plants online
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and do all this stuff and centralize our supply chain
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here in the United States.
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Have the damn robots do that work.
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I would say this, you know, based on,
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and I did a lot of reading and research
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over the last three weeks on this for that story,
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I would say we don't really know how far off
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mass production of robots are that have the ability
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to do the jobs we're discussing.
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I would also warn that everything I read said
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some of the robots that are out there now
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can watch you work and learn your movements
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and learn your job.
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So that is a possibility.
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Now the final point I would make,
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and I brought this up on an editorial call
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at Automotive News this week is,
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how are we going to power all of these things?
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I've done the research.
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These robots last about four hours on a charge.
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So they're going to need replacement twice,
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a shift essentially, and that's going to take
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And we hear, at least in Canada,
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one of the big complaints about EVs is,
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the power grid's not ready.
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So if the power grid isn't ready
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to power electric vehicles for all,
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how is the power grid going to be remotely close
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to power an entire population of robots?
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And oh, by the way, run AI,
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run chat GPT in similar programs and cool them
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and all of this stuff that goes into the energy needs.
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And so while it's easy to play and say doom and gloom,
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I also think we need to take a step back,
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go how soon are these really going to arrive
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and how are they really going to be powered
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and how are they really going to be used?
28:38
I think these stories are great to drive interest
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and readership and I think there are facts
28:44
that are immensely important in the things we do.
28:47
But long-term, no one's really been able to say,
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how are they going to be powered?
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When will they arrive en masse?
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Yeah, you know what, Greg is absolutely right here.
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And like I said, these are societal issues
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that we have to deal with.
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I just want to point out, we are all old enough
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to remember four years ago when the thought of,
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how are we going to power all these electric vehicles
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when we don't have enough generation
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or the grid is on, that debate raged.
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Nobody's brought up that debate
29:18
as we're building data centers all over the place.
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Yeah, it's the same electricity folks.
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If we didn't have enough power to run EVs,
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but we suddenly have enough power to run data centers
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in every damn town in the Midwest, I don't get that.
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Yeah, the final point I would make is this.
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My wife works at a bank.
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She works as a teller on the line serving people every day.
29:46
The ATM was invented what, 50 years ago
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and they still have jobs and they were told
29:50
the ATM was going to put them out of business
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before my wife was even born.
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So, I mean, it takes a long time.
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How long did it take us to go from essentially
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the first Mac to a computer in our pockets, right?
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And so, this is the pace at which technology moves.
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It's going to, it's going to quicken, no question about it,
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but when will it arrive?
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Yeah, it's a great point, Greg,
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because at the same time, I was at the grocery store yesterday
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and the self-checkout lines were a lot longer
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than the regular checkout lines,
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but only two regular checkout lines were opened,
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but everybody was in the self-checkout line,
30:25
but there's still a place for it.
30:27
I get what you're saying.
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Well, I say this, it's similar in auto.
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Why are the sales of trucks and SUVs up?
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Because there are no sedans to buy, right?
30:36
So, if you want people to use the self-checkout,
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you don't give them a human to check out with, right?
30:41
So, there are ways that companies can force you
30:44
into making a decision you may or may not want to make.
30:48
Let's leave it there, guys.
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Greg, Larry, thank you so much for joining me.
30:53
So, Greg, who's going to win the men's gold medal game?
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You know, I got to say Canada
30:58
because I'm from Canada, but I am looking forward to it
31:01
as long as the United States is there.
31:04
That's what everyone wants, coast to coast to coast up here
31:06
and across North America.
31:08
Bring on the United States.
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It has so much meaning.
31:11
I think it's going to be awesome,
31:12
and I can't wait to watch it, but who knows?
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More interest in that than the women's game, believe me.
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But, you know, pride's a little hurt up here.
31:22
He took a little dent.
31:27
All right, that's all for this weekend's
31:29
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31:32
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31:34
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31:36
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31:38
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31:42
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31:46
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31:47
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31:49
about a new study that says the automotive industry
31:52
is the most disruptive industry on the planet right now.
31:56
They're individual disruptors that
31:58
are kind of pushing these things, in many cases,
32:00
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32:02
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32:05
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32:08
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