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Hello, everybody, and welcome back to the Bring It Trailer podcast, Alex Porter once again coming
to you from Bring It Trailer headquarters in San Francisco, and once again, joined by Beck
and Tyler.
Hey, gents.
Hello, Alex.
I don't think we've actually moved.
We've sat here for an entire week straight.
Same headsets as last time.
That's right.
I did put mine on backwards, though.
I don't know.
I was trying to figure out why Beck was talking in my right ear and Alex was in
my left ear.
Now I've got it figured out, but it's good to be back and hanging out with you guys again.
Always a pleasure.
I re-listened to our Thanksgiving episode.
I was chuckling.
Did either of you guys listen to it?
I did.
I did.
Yeah, I agree.
It was fun.
Yeah, it was good.
I have not listened to it.
I find more of these I do.
The harder it is to listen.
I don't know if you've experienced that at all.
Oh, it's so.
I'm like, Alex, shut up.
I just talk over everybody all the time.
I keep telling myself to slow down.
I get too excited.
Yeah.
I just keep talking.
I do, too.
Bill Paxton Corvettes.
Oh, nice.
Oh, good.
It's fantastic.
From True Lies, it is incredible.
He was a gem.
What period correct language was he being used?
He was also just such an incredible actor because he could do serious drama.
I mean, he's so good at Apollo 13.
Think about how different that character is in True Lies.
Twister.
I was going to say twister.
It's a great one for him.
Twister's like, he didn't do enough of those where he was the leading man because
I think he was really good at it.
How can you hate Bill Paxton?
Aliens.
I mean, he did so many things.
He's great in aliens.
Yes.
And he plays a similar character in the Tom Cruise time, like Groundhog Day movie, which
is so good.
It was something about tomorrow, Edge of Tomorrow.
Edge of Tomorrow.
Oh, OK.
And he plays the kind of jerk sergeant in that that he wakes up to every morning.
And he's still good in that.
Vanilla Sky.
I feel like Vanilla Sky had also similar, maybe description, slightly more great cars
in Vanilla Sky by the way, too.
That's another story.
That is.
To the card movie list.
Yeah.
Yeah, that's not coming right up.
I already teased Fast and Furious, which hasn't happened yet.
We've been having a hard time circling up the team for it.
But next week, hopefully.
You know what, Beck, it's another excuse to watch it again because I've watched it
twice already.
I don't need to watch it.
I've seen it.
I mean, I have seen it, what, 30, 40 times at this point.
It's nonstop.
I can probably quote the entire thing.
I'm probably ready to go too.
Race Wars.
I can't wait.
Race Wars.
Race Wars.
Discussion.
My favorite thing so far is the difference between the 355 and the Supra.
Oh, totally.
That's just the only thing I will say.
And then we'll move on.
We've got to save it.
We've got to save it for that pod.
But the values of those cars have had an interesting history since that movie came out.
One thing that we did talk about, the reason I mentioned listening to it, is we talked
a lot about our Thanksgiving plans and how we were going to booze it.
So how did that go for you guys?
Good.
How was the nog?
The nog was great.
I had my limit at two.
Otherwise, you just have to sit down and stop moving.
Your dad didn't poison everyone?
Didn't poison everyone.
He definitely over-served everyone.
We had our darts competition, which eventually devolved into my son throwing darts at the
wall and not hitting the board.
So just poking.
Did any people get hit?
No, people got hit.
I'm trying to think about it.
Yes, no one.
That you know about.
No one got hit.
And no one made it into the garage to poke fun at the 914 that's been sitting there
for her.
Well, we'll get to it when we talk about cars on the side.
But I've been thinking 914's a lot.
And we have a very good 9146.
Phenomenal 9146.
That was top of my watch list right now.
Yes.
How about you, Tyler?
Was your dinner early dinner?
No, you got a medium dinner date for the wife.
Yeah, it was at two o'clock, the only meal of the day that's needed, a lovely bottle
of trafethin cab.
And yeah, we were talking about alternative meats for Thanksgiving last time.
And there was a prime rib on the menu and I had to do it.
Good for you.
I did prime rib instead of turkey.
I don't know if I'm happy with this decision.
Prime rib is pretty festive though, I would say.
It's a festive meat.
It's very American.
I like that.
I don't think it's a festive meat.
I would say it's a festive meat.
You got the roast.
I only have it when it's like a special, it's like house of prime rib or something.
I very rarely have it.
And to your point, Tyler, you don't see it that often.
No.
Maybe it takes like 15 hours to make or something.
You got to smoke it.
You got to prep it.
And I don't know.
My wife got the turkey and I was kind of a little jealous that I didn't just get the turkey.
Do you need a little off her plate?
No, no.
She did not let me do that, unfortunately.
She pulled her plate further away from me, actually.
Oh, she's like, you've made a decision and now you must accept it.
My situation is the exact opposite.
Like whatever I order, I have to expect that some of it's going to disappear onto
my wife's plate.
Interesting.
I think it actually did go that way, to be honest with you.
I think it went that way, but not the other way.
Fascinating.
Fascinating.
You said you did a lot of motorcycle maintenance as well.
Man, I mean, four-day weekend, it's hard to not be in the garage and finally getting some
things done.
There's those projects that you just can't pick up the following weekend.
You just need like two, three days in a row to really do them.
I'm doing some big projects on my CBX and on my VFR right now.
I had the carburetors off of both of them and the carburetors are now back on.
Is that 10 carburetors in total?
Yeah, it is.
With two different configurations.
Oh, man.
I thought the four on the car I drove back was a lot.
10 carbs, dude.
Yeah.
10 total carbs.
The fun thing is, between 1982 and 1986, you can see that Honda had realized how difficult
some of this was and it was considerably, like the throttle cables were in a really
accessible position on the VFR and they're totally inaccessible on the CBX yet to
remove the carburetors just to replace one of the throttle cables.
It's not fun.
Oh, which requires leaning the engine forward.
I mean, it's a whole, you almost have to remove the engine to get to the carburetors, to get
to the throttle cable.
And are you readjusting like all the synchronizing the carbs together when you put them back on?
I did a bench sink, but no, I haven't used it.
I do have a gauge that will sink six carburetors.
It's a really neat digital gauge that I found that I got.
I can't wait to do that, but I haven't had it running quite because I need to
replace the throttle cables.
The carbs are on the back of the motor, right?
So they're like under the tank.
They're under the tank, under the frame, above the transmission, behind the motor, in front
of the air box, obviously.
So there's no access to them at all.
But then the exhaust comes out the other side and it looks so sick, those six exhaust
pipes out the front.
I know.
I mean, that's that's kind of like...
You got to pay the cost to be the boss.
Yeah, that's right.
The CB900 is probably a much better motorcycle with four cylinders.
But that's just not fun.
The other bike is a V4 though, right?
So where are the cars?
Are they all on the inside of the V?
They are...
God, there might be some cars that have this kind of configuration.
They're at like a 45 degree angle and there's a plenum on top of them and you remove it
all as a unit.
Oh, okay.
So the carburetors are in the V.
But it's in the middle of the V.
Yeah.
And each one is kind of facing the other direction.
Oh, they crisscross?
Yeah, they crisscross.
Oh, interesting.
Yeah.
But it's one...
You said plenum.
Plenum?
How do we say that?
Plenum.
I heard plenum and I was thinking, man.
Have I been saying it wrong the whole time?
Is that related to plinth?
Like a plinth?
Like a thing of statues?
I don't even know what that is.
This is an interesting concept though.
I've experienced this unlike my first week of working to bring a trailer.
You know, I'd spent all my life reading the words of our parts.
We work on the internet.
But never saying it to another human being.
Guibo, Guibo?
How do you...
Oh, God.
And I went to...
I'm going to apologize to Chris Baxter here.
He's going to have to edit this out.
But I went up to Zach one point and said that, oh, is that a listing for fuck's
wheels?
Yeah.
And I had to realize like, oh, in the moment I get corrected and realize my entire life.
Yes.
I've been saying this wrong.
I always said fuchs.
And Randy...
That's what I say.
What is this?
Fuchs.
Fuchs.
I always said rough.
And now I know it's roof.
I knew that one.
Yeah.
That's what I knew.
So, Randy corrected me on a lot of the German stuff.
I always said racharo.
Racharo.
Racharo.
Sure.
And there was another one that I used to get in trouble for.
Well, that's a tough one because racharo is...
I forget what the technical term of it is.
It's not...
It's worded itself as an amalgamation of other words.
It's because it's part of the router, cartussery, the body maker.
Oh.
Okay.
And when Porsche bought...
It's an acronym.
It's not an acronym.
It's when you push words together, like the first two letters.
Oh, like a portmanteau.
There it is.
Yeah.
There you are.
So, when Porsche bought the router body maker company, they didn't want the interior
division.
They allowed that to be separate.
Oh, I never knew.
When they had router bodies, right?
All the bodies were made by different routers.
Reuter is what I always said.
I call that Reuter.
But is it router?
You might be right.
That sounds more German.
That sounds more German.
You would pronounce the second vowel.
But is the news organization also German, Reuters?
Reuters.
I don't know.
It's actually British, I believe.
Okay.
So then it might be Reuters.
Well, then it's German, right?
It's German.
Somebody listening knows all this.
You just sound like morons.
Screaming that they're coming out.
Which is like, we've never claimed we weren't morons.
Yeah, right.
Yeah, all right.
So, when they left the interiors division separate as a separate company, it became
Recaro because they took Reuter, Cartosary, whatever, whatever.
It made Recaro.
Yeah.
Okay.
Wow.
How did we get on this subject?
Thanksgiving now.
That's right.
A belt fed Thanksgiving.
Did you, did you, which was a great title.
Again, another shout out to Chris Baxter.
Did you get everything completed, Tyler?
That's the big question.
Of course not.
I got some things back together.
Oh, yeah.
There's not 10 carburetors sitting on your floor.
No, there's no more carburetors on the floor.
There's some body panels.
What else do I have on the floor?
Some, I think a wheel may be on the floor.
Is either bike functional?
In what sense of the phrase?
Could you get on either of them and ride them?
No.
No.
No.
Oh, I've got clutch plates out of the VFR.
So, do you have to wait till the Christmas break, basically, to get this all done?
Unfortunately, I think I might, I won't even be here.
So, I'm going to lose like two, yeah.
I don't know what I'm going to do.
But they're both running and that's kind of a new thing.
That's great.
Well, the VFR always ran.
Yeah, you had it up here recently.
Yeah, I just rode it up here a couple weeks ago.
Great looking bike.
Well, you hear when you had that in the office?
Yeah, he parked it here.
It was so sick.
The same time as the, was it the dinner we had?
Yes, that's right.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Office Thanksgiving dinner.
Yeah.
Sick, very sick bike.
Yeah, I love that thing.
So, I'm so excited to be doing some work on it.
And yeah, it's just, it's kind of a fun and not all that challenging bike to work on.
So, it's just kind of fun to see how Honda had changed from, again, just 1982,
four years later, by 1986.
Like all the bolts and screws are accessible.
There's just nothing is like weird about it.
But your CBX is from late in the run of that bike,
whereas the VFR is early in the run of that bike, right?
So, even though they're only a few years apart,
the designs are like 10 years apart, right?
Yeah, totally different technology.
The CBX was using technology that was basically from like 1978.
Late 60s?
Oh, okay.
Yeah, with the dual overhead cam in line.
But I mean, CB750, obviously it was the four-cylinder single overhead cam.
I mean, so...
And that goes back to what?
Around 1970?
69.
69, yeah, okay.
And that's interesting that it got easier to work on,
because in cars, it's almost the opposite.
Oh.
They get harder as time goes by.
Well, depending on the air...
So, I used to work on old German cars that were complicated,
and then when I would work on like our 2000 Civic,
I was like, oh, Honda really has this figured out.
There's only like 10 mil, 13 mil, and 17 mil bolts.
Sure, that's true.
Like it was way simpler.
When I did the timing cover on my M10 in the 2002,
every single screw is a different link.
Totally.
It's just like you have to take pictures...
Old German is not good.
Yeah, that's true.
That's a good point.
You've been doing your own work, too, back on the E46.
How's that car to work on?
Very little of my own work.
It's mostly fine.
I mean, I did a lot of trim work, to be honest,
which is scary.
Like interior trim work?
Interior trim work.
I replaced a ton of...
Brittle plastic.
Brittle plastic stuff, windshield, cowl, things like that.
Things you would do once in your lifetime and then never again.
But it's been mostly fine.
It's a classic case of having the right tool.
I mean, probably the smartest thing you can do if you have a modern car
is just buy an interior trim removal set.
Yeah.
Like it's incredible what you can do once you have a set.
Is that like shims and things to get underneath?
Yes, but it's like shims with like 10 different versions of the same shim,
but all at different angles
and with offed bushings to leverage off of.
So you don't scrape or dent something when you're applying that arm
onto it.
It's really amazing.
You go from...
Using a flathead blade.
And making little indentations with every flathead blade.
You do all of a sudden things come off and go back on
and you didn't even break the clip.
That's kind of an amazing thing.
So that's what I've been doing for...
God, it's too long.
The same was with Tyler here.
Are you willing to admit on the podcast how long it's been?
It has been quite some time.
He's been prepping this car for sale.
You've probably talked about it on the podcast before.
I did the dumb thing of talking about it in September
when I said look for it in early October.
And now it's early December.
I've hit two main roadblocks
I'm prepping my ZHP-E46
for the site.
First one was smog.
The O2 sensor was sending off codes
and the air pump was having problems
so I had to get those done.
And then if you've ever had to pass smog on a state before,
usually there's a drive cycle
that the car has to do for a certain distance
before you can go get it tested.
You can't swap on new parts
and then try to get it tested
and then sell it immediately.
In this case, I had that issue.
I had to drive the car
but it's not just like 200 miles.
You have to drive a certain amount of time
at a certain speeds.
There's a cycle.
The computer knows how to do it.
You can't find this information
in the owner's manual or anything.
Is this to get the check engine light to go off?
Check engine light turns off
because it's no longer blowing.
It's OBD2.
It'll say you haven't driven far enough.
I'm slowly turning into
a right winger
who hates California.
In order to pass smog,
you have to drive your car more.
It defeats the purpose.
Imagine a certified mechanic
should be able to override that
if they're saying,
I've done this service, it's done pass.
Regardless, I ended up going back to my mechanic
trying to figure this out.
I'd found some things online
like I had to let this car idle for three minutes
then drive it for 15 miles an hour
at 10 minutes.
I didn't even know about that.
I went to my mechanic and he said,
no, pretty much M54 motors,
even this 50 motors,
it is 50 miles an hour
for an extended period of time
like 20 minutes or something like that.
Where can you drive
down to Palo Alto and back?
I drove 280 in the right lane
at 50 miles an hour
just ruining everyone's day.
Thankfully, it was in the right lane.
I didn't try to do anything in the left lane obviously,
but I just drove in the right lane
and just sort of cruised,
set a timer for 10 minutes,
then I got off, turned back around, came back
and I went straight to the smog check
and they said, nope, that car is too old.
Then I went to the second smog check
and they said, he's not coming in today.
I went to the third smog check location
and it passed.
I mean, smog places,
that sounds like another problem with our system
is people are getting tired of doing this.
The smog check places don't even want to do it.
When they would see my NSX roll up,
they'd just point in the other direction
and get out of here.
You're 76, 912, my 78, 911.
Basically, we have to pay our mechanics.
They have guys who get this done for them legally.
I'm not saying like some sort of thing.
No, no, not cheating it.
The air pump and all.
It's insane.
But it finally passed. That was a big hindrance.
That kept me pushing back and back and back
because I really wanted a clean smog.
I knew it could pass.
I wanted that in the auction listing.
Now you're on a ticket clock.
Three months, right?
You should think three months is plenty of time.
But no, it's actually taken me three months to get to this point.
For those folks not in California,
could you explain what the three months?
Oh, yeah.
The California smog certificate is valid for 90 days.
For sale, it's valid longer if you're keeping the car.
But in terms of selling it for what use?
For the purposes of use of taking it in
for registration purposes,
whether or not as you are doing it for yourself
or for the next buyer to do it themselves.
So you've got a 90-day window to get that done.
That's right.
The funny part about this is that
there's a very good chance this car doesn't go to California.
Totally.
It goes outside of the state where this won't matter at all,
but at least they'll have the confidence
to help us.
And you're kind of bringing that approach to the whole thing.
You've fixed everything.
Somebody's going to get like the nicest T40.
My slogan for this auction is
I have spent all my money so you don't have to.
Right.
We're going to put that in the headline.
So that's the idea.
I've been trying this whole time to basically make it as
if I were to keep the car for two more years,
this is what I would have done anyway.
So it's filing now in the office.
It's on a lift.
And hopefully when people are listening to this,
it actually is live right now.
It's the white E46 sedan six-speed live on the site.
And yeah, it's pretty great.
It's a classic problem of it.
It looks way better than I ever owned it.
Totally. And then you start regretting it.
But it's also this is at least for the purposes
of this podcast, it's instructional
in that it, you know,
it reiterates one of the truisms
about BAT that I wish wasn't the case,
but it is, which is it's freaking hard
to sell ethically a car.
It is because I mean,
if you have a truly collector car that you
leave in like
correct maintenance
position, meaning it is just
sort of already been done and you're not abusing it.
You're not daily driving it and it just maintains
that throughput of always being
ready to be sold.
Then it's not hard as much. So you get the car cleaned,
you photograph it, you're done.
But when you're selling a daily driver, that's the real challenge
because then you get the issue of like, you start having discovery.
And I was thinking about this.
When you're selling a house, it would be extremely
convenient if you constantly maintain your house
to the perfect standards and you didn't ever use it.
There's almost always something deferred.
You've always deferred things, right?
Unless it is a genuinely again, a collector
house, right? A second house you have elsewhere
that you aren't abusing all the time.
Or it's something that you must address
at this moment. If you don't need to, most of the
time, if you're busy like all of us, you just
don't do it right away.
And you're willing to live with it the way that it is.
So that's the challenge I think, especially with a car
like this, was my daily for a couple of years
totally. Then you're stuck with this
trying to play a lot of catch up all of a sudden
and then you hit a roadblock and well, order of
operations, you want to do photos after all these
things are done, but then you do photos and you discover
there's issues and then you're back to it again.
And if you do have a one-stop shop
like a local partner.
Well, it took me seven years to list the NSX
and I finally gave up.
I actually put it on the rack like you did
and took underside pictures in like May
of 2024.
And it was like nine months later and I'm like, wow, those
aren't even really valid anymore.
So I'm going to have to redo that, you know.
Wasn't the NSX like the longest
running vehicle in our system?
I'm going to look on our dashboard right now.
Is it still there? It might still be there.
I think there was like a little number next to
what that said, like 2,000 plus days.
It got to 1,500.
A lot of our more facetious colleagues would
put little tags on it.
Shout out to Matt Cook, to Mike
Barron, various people.
It's still there.
What are you up to?
2,383 days in the system.
Anyways, congratulations, Beck.
We're close. We're at the finish line.
We're close. I'm trying in some
interesting things, some little marketing tactics
while it's live, just experimenting a little bit.
I'm curious what it's like, but I'm very excited.
When was it, was the W124 the last time
you sold the car on the site?
Correct. It was 2022, 2023.
Okay, it's been a couple of years.
Great.
So you're going to put on the site, Tyler?
Yeah.
Does the title end in project?
Yeah, right. Close, but no.
I'm not going to do it.
To be honest with you, I'm for the bikes anyway.
If I do sell them, I'm doing the Beck routine
where I'm going, I want them to be good
before it's with the bikes.
You're more of a buyer than a seller anyways, Tyler.
You know, and the reason is because
I'm a terrible seller.
And a terrible buyer, to be honest with you.
I'm like this like buy,
you know, like fixing it at that point,
which I'm really trying to get out of that
routine. No, but honestly, there's nothing
I just talked about how hard it is to sell on BAT
and actually there's nothing wrong with selling it,
not only a project, but a car with deferred maintenance.
You just have to be honest about all of it
and be honest with yourself about how much
some of that stuff might affect the value, right?
Like non-functioning AC on a 50-year-old
Porsche, maybe it doesn't matter that much.
But if it's coming up on
timing belt service time
and you don't want to pay for that,
it doesn't take a hit. But I think that's why a lot of these
owners go to professional sellers to get it done
because their ego is associated with the success of the auction.
100%.
And even if you're not, you know, here in office
I can't risk
like having an embarrassing auction.
Totally. They got to do it right because I'm here
part of the staff. Additionally,
if you're a collector with car friends
and they know your auction
is going live and they see it on there
and they see that there's issues with it,
that'll reflect upon you as a person, right?
And so you kind of virtue signal
by saying like, no, no, I'm
having this professional do it and it's going to look
this good and be this great. If that's
not as much of a concern, then
it's cheaper, right? Yes.
It's much easier to bypass that opportunity.
Right. Which we're always trying to catch with BAT sellers
because that's like the nature of wanting to sell a car, right?
Like you want to minimize your investment
if you possibly can and we're always trying to
catch that because we don't want to buy or to ever be surprised
by what shows up on their doorstep. And by the way,
this is something I think Randy always used to say
buying old cars isn't for everyone. Like there's
going to be issues with old cars almost
no matter what. Even if a car is perfectly maintained
you could buy it and two minutes later have a problem
with it, right? You didn't have any problems on your
recent. Oh, good. Say it right back.
You're like a professional.
I know he is. He's a natural.
It's been suggested to me that I should
give up and just hand the bike to them.
No, no one said that. One of your friends
suggested that to me. I can
confirm that it is actually really hard
to be in Alex's seat where you have
to work the computer while
leading the podcast. Yeah, I have to
push like four buttons, man. It's easy to sit here
and chat. It's easy to sit here and chat, but
when you got to look at the timer, you got to look at
the screen. How are we doing? We're doing okay.
One man producer. Actually, the shout out
goes to Chris Baxter, who actually makes us
sound better, cuts out all of our ums and
ums. I didn't realize, I
love listening to ByGas and I didn't realize
how much polishing happens on the really
professional ones. People sound so erudite
and it's actually their producer making
them sound that way. Yeah.
No, there were a few problems with my car, but
it did make it
3700 kilometers without any
motor hiccups, so I can't complain about that.
Remind everyone what car this is again?
It's a 1978 Ferrari
308 GTB, a Euro-spec car
with the dry sump motor. I think I
mentioned this to you guys really. One morning it took
50 miles for the oil to heat up.
So I was so eager to get a dry
sump car. How cold was it in the morning there?
It was cold. This was out of
El Paso. I freaking
love the desert. It's those days where there's not
a cloud in the sky and it's sunny, but it's cold.
We've been having that here now. Yes, we have
been indeed. It was probably
40 degrees when we left. Then you're driving
at speed too, so it's not like you're
sitting there idling. Actually, and the oil
pressure was higher because you could tell the oil
was thicker. I actually drove slow for a while
because one of the interesting things about that car is it's pretty highly
strong. Texas
has 80 mile an hour speed limits. God bless
that state. We drove across the fattest part of Texas
and it took three days. That state is so
big. I drove it slower that
morning because at 80 miles an hour it's
spinning like 4200 RPM
in fifth gear. It's really
short gears. You're driving around town at
40 miles an hour and you're in fourth gear a lot of time.
That's crazy for a five speed. It's very
different when you're coming out of the NSX, which is the opposite.
And top of second gear is like
85 miles an hour. It's like the opposite
of that. But it's fun because that gated
shifter is really great. Is the gearing the same for the US models?
Great question. I
don't know. I would imagine it is.
It's been a long time since I'd driven one.
Usually it's... They'll actually sometimes go to a higher
rear end ratio for the American ones because
they're detuned engines.
Yeah. The US cars were 240
horse. This is 255. It has a little bit
more. But honestly, it doesn't even... That's incredible.
255 out of a three liter.
2.9. It's like 2,900.
1978 for just like a regular
office. Totally.
It's like 75
500 RPM. It's almost 100 a liter.
Yeah. That's amazing. It is.
I'm excited for both of you to take it for a spin.
It's a really fun car to drive. So yeah,
mechanically, no problems. It needs some sorting.
It was restored a little longer ago than
I thought the tires were from 2014
and didn't have dash lights, didn't
have turn signals. This rear view mirror fell off
as soon as I got in it. So I was
exactly what you want. I was a little bit
like... Just flew across the country to pick up.
I was a little bit like... It's a little ominous.
No. And I was picking it up. Felix and I flew
across the country and picked up the night we landed
and then took it to our hotel that night because I
wanted to leave early the next morning. So I was
a little bit like, oh, we're not going to make it.
The first day was like 500 miles and I took a wrong
turn, which extended it by
50 miles. But that let us drive through the
front. That allowed you to warm up the engine though.
It did. Well, that was Louisiana.
So that was... Oh, AC also didn't work.
And so down in the south where it
was very humid.
Yeah. That was tough.
But it did allow us to drive through the French quarter, which was kind of cool.
I'd never been to New Orleans. I'd never been to
Mississippi or Louisiana. So those were... How is that
suspension on cobblestone streets?
It's so smooth. The suspension is so...
Really? Okay. So first of all,
it's way more Italian than I remember.
Have either of you sat in an Eames chair
where you're like leaned really far back?
I have one. It's just like sitting in
an Eames chair. Like it's... You're leaned
back even further than I thought. But I'll tell
you what, zero back pain.
We drove 2,000 miles and nothing.
So there's a reason... I've always heard the Eames
suspension is set up like that so that it
takes the pressure off your lower back
and this car is the same way. And the roof
is really low on it. So it's, I think, the only
way you'd fit in it. But I mean,
I was reaching all the way out to touch.
Another problem is I couldn't get the seat to go
forward. So I was using my very tippy
toe to get the clutch all the way down.
But it was mainly highway driving, so it was okay.
But, yeah, that first day
I was... And then the generator, the charging
light popped on in New Orleans. This is only
like 200 miles into a
2,000. I'm like, oh, we're not going to make it.
But then, no problems.
Like, no... All the whole way across the...
We were up at 5,000 feet. We were in rainstorms
in Texas. Even with the alternator
light on, it was all... It took you
cranked strong every time. It's a light
issue. It's a sensor issue. It's not the
actual charging system. Which you would have
found out about in 100, 150 miles.
My son was pretty stressed out and I was
like, it's either going to stop working
or it's not. It's either been in a car
that's broken down. No.
I was thinking about that the whole time.
Yeah, I used to be in pieces of crap my dad
had that broke down all the time, ran out of gas.
My dad used to run a car out of gas all the time.
I don't think I've ever run out of gas.
But, yeah, my son's never... The stress
of old cars, the young generation
just doesn't know. I ran out of gas once
but it was in my defense the gas gauge
was stuck. Wait, did I ever tell you guys
my run out of gas story?
I may have, but it was on my way
to drive my friend, Chris, to the airport
of all places. I ran out of gas
like two miles from the gas station
in Gilroy that I was like...
I was like, I know I can make this gas station.
My gauge isn't right.
Ran out of gas, had to
basically run up to the gas station
and get a couple of tanks
and a guy sitting there had
I don't know this super well, but it was
one of those Volkswagen synchros.
Like a van again. The van again, thank you.
And the guy offered me
a ride and I'm like, oh yeah
it's just a synchro. It looked kind of tall
and I don't know them that well so I wanted to sound
cool. And he goes, oh my god, yeah, you must
really know these. You made his day
because you must really know these.
Well, I got better because
he's like, do you want to ride back? And I'm like, oh my god
do that be amazing. Like part of me wanted to say
no, like that's okay, but I'm like, no I actually
do really need to ride back.
Also, can we go to the airport and pick up my buddy?
Can you give my buddy a ride to the airport?
So we get on the highway
and as we're on the on ramp
merging onto the highway
I'm just, there's something off about this
car. Something doesn't feel quite right
about it. And next thing I know
we're doing like 70 miles an hour
and I'm like, why does this car feel faster
than I would have expected
it to. I've never been in one. He says, oh I put
a Porsche motor in. Yeah, 911 SC engine probably.
Yeah, a lot of those things.
That's why a lot of SC motors wouldn't do
those. There was a company that did it for a while
and they were three liters.
The mechanic at high tech
who did my engine build
Dana has a, we're going to use this brother
actually, has it in the shop, is a
Syncro with a 993
Whoa. G50 in it.
Sick. Man, Tyler, that's
it was a great car. I was like, I really
liked it. Plus it sounds good I bet. Yeah.
I mean, everyone does Subi motors now
because 911 engines are too expensive, but when they were
cheaper that's what they did. I think a good one
would be doing M96
motors now because you
Oh, interesting. Well, some of those have radiators
up front. The early ones were
air cooled, I think, but the later ones are water cooled
or all the nine and sixes are water cooled. No, I
meant the
Vanigans aren't the early vanigans
air cooled. I can't remember. Oh, I don't know.
Yeah, I don't remember. Some of them only have one grill
on the front though, but I used to work
on those things and the water cooled ones
are scary.
We've talked about this before, but the fat
company, the motor that I have in my 912
they built those for buses for the same
reason to get them. Yeah, yeah. Well, there's
those those buses, the type two's
that roam around San Francisco with
the sort of hippie livery
on them. They're like tours. Tourists, yeah, I am.
I think they're pretty much all
portion motor powered because it's the only
way to get up and down the hills, especially if you're throwing
four, five, six tourists in the back.
Yeah. And then they go
drive around and the driver's there with little head set on
and he's talking about the name, but way better than doing
one of those open cars. And you see like seven people
sometimes. Yeah, going up really steep hills.
That's one of the reasons the fat motors might even be
better than portion motors other than being way cheaper
is they have a lot of torque. Sure. Yeah.
So Alex, you've been wanting
this GTB for so long.
308. So long. Was it
like getting in it and kind of
seeing the gated shifter? Like was it
everything you had hoped for? So the rear
room here is. The rear room falls off.
And all your dreams are crushed. The
car is so cosmetically nice.
I was actually a little worried.
That's the hard man. I think
when I worked on them 25 years
ago, they were 20 year old cars
and they weren't this. I don't know if they were
this nice, honestly, when they were new.
It's so nice, but it has
a lot of kilometers. When I picked it up,
it had 74 or something and it's just about to
cross 78 now. So I didn't
fear putting a bunch of kilometers on it.
I did feel bad getting
it really dirty.
It's a light car. I'm sure it loved it.
My actual favorite thing about it is
that it has the single exhaust, which
only the early 308s have. And a lot of people
put the quad
exhaust on them with the valence in between
stuff. And this has the little simple thing.
But the left rear side
from the, you know, it's got four
carburetors on it is all brown.
I actually love that, but I'm also like,
I left it with my mechanic down in Riverside
who works on my cord, interestingly. He's an expert
on Ferraris, letter series Chrysler's
and cords of all things. So all I need
is a letter series and I'm set.
Have you ever owned a white car before?
The cord. That's it. The cord is a piece of crap.
You also don't drive that often. I mean, white cars
dude, it's
you get dirty immediately. Oh my God.
Within a week, it's just filthy
and it just shows everything. It's fresh.
One of the reasons I'm like, nope, never again.
Well, I like, I'm not going to daily it though.
I'm not going to daily it. And the main
thing is honestly, I didn't want to read one.
So when I dropped it off in Riverside
a couple of days ago, Timo, shout out
to Timo who's definitely not going to listen to this
my mechanic. He had a
Daytona in there that he'd restored
from the ground up, like
tore it down to a bear shell and did everything
on it. He was telling me he made his own glass
for it. He needed a new windshield and
he's a crazy person. But it's that
gold color that was on Ferraris in the 70s
and I knew it was my dream color for
308. They came in that gold
and I was like, oh, Timo, this is the color
I wanted on a 308. And he's like, come here.
And he showed me
a door skin that he'd made for it that
he didn't end up using because it wasn't perfect enough.
And he painted it. He's like, oh,
Kiaro had three different
shades and he had this door
painted the three different colors of that
gold for I gave it the same name
but they changed the
I think this is true of guards red, too. They changed the formula
over the years. And so he's like, here's
what it looked like in the early 70s. Here's what it looked
like in the late 70s and here's what it looked like in the 80s.
And I was like, oh,
man, I wish my car was that color. But anything
but red is the main thing. I just didn't want
that concept of just like, what's the
the color that's so commonplace for
a certain mark that you just can't have
it in that. Yeah.
And then some people think that's what you have to have it
in. Which is one of the reasons why you don't
want it. Totally. I'll share with you one
of the most shameful moments of the trip. Like, got a
lot of thumbs up. Got a lot of people like, what is
it? A lot of people in valleys in particular,
even with the prancing horse on the front. What
is this? And I think it was red.
Nobody would have asked, right? But the most
shameful moment was pulling into Houston. This
is like day three. We're coming in
a guy's like really excited in like a four
runner next to us. And he asks my son to roll the
wheel and he goes, is it an MR2?
Was he joking?
I was like, it's a Ferrari.
I tried not to be like, I wasn't.
I actually literally was not offended
at all. But I was kind of like, wow, that's
interesting. Better than asking if it was a
Fiero. I'd rather take MR2.
No one has asked that yet. No one has asked
that yet. It does have a red book in case
people are worried that it's a Fiero.
And that's interesting. I've actually never laid
hands on a red book. I've seen like photos
of it. It's like, not to crap on
Ferrari Classish, but like who cares, dude?
All it does is show some pictures
from the restoration and show the tags
that you can literally open the engine bay
and see, right? So I don't understand
the point of it in this case.
And also like, we've seen enough of those
Ferrari just don't sign off on just about
anything, right? If you're trying to please
the owner and make six grand or whatever
it costs to get one of those things.
It could easily be a one sheet of here's
the four or five photos that matter.
What are on the car and we sort of
But it's this era, speaking of you
dialing in your E46, Tyler, are you
not wanting to sell a bike without it being perfect?
It's like, we're in the era. This is the
whole reason VAT has been successful of the
knowledgeable consumer. And if you're buying
a used Ferrari and you're not like a
Ferrari expert, what's the first thing
you're going to ask? Where's the red
book, right? Like it's just like a thing.
People do cold engine starts on new cars.
It's like, you don't need it, but
someone's going to ask is the standard
also just kind of what you got to do. It's why it's
hard to sell ethically. What was the best
part of the drive?
Texas Hill Country is awesome. Have you
either you guys driven through that and it was
raining that day. So we went from Houston
which was actually great. We stayed in an incredible
hotel there. One of our regular sellers
recommended it to me. Hotel Zaza and
the restaurant that we went to got some
Texas barbecue, which was very good. That
was about 100 miles into Texas. Houston's
about 100 or 150 miles into Texas
from the eastern border with Louisiana
and then we drove. That was our longest day.
We drove 530 miles this day
just due west across Texas
and went across these undulating
hills up to about a couple thousand feet
in altitude and it was raining a lot of that day
and then that's where we stopped. On 11
year old tires. Gosh.
My mechanic again, Timo, he's like, I should
hit you. And I was like, I bet
they only had like a thousand kilometers on. They
looked brand new and their XWX was so
good. Totally.
They look so good though, but I'm getting a
bit of those obviously. Nice.
Drove across there and then out into the flat
part of West Texas into the Permian Basin
where Midland and Odessa are where this huge
shale oil boom is happening and we stayed
in Odessa that night. So that drive
was my favorite and then we went to the
petroleum museum and saw the chaperrals.
Whoa. Yeah. They're pretty much all
there including an early test car and
then all the way up to the turbine car. You know the one that sucks itself
down to the ground. I'm sorry, the
petroleum museum? Yeah, it's all about
the Permian Basin. I don't know about this thing at all.
So the Permian, you know about the big shale
oil boom right in Central Texas that
when you drive out to Midland, by the way, that we
had to go across like flooded roads and stuff
where the like Texas road,
whatever their equivalent of Caltrans
had shut down the roads and
every single vehicle out in the Permian Basin
is a work truck like F 350
with a generator in the back and then
the other half of traffic are semis with
like oil equipment on the back
and then there's you guys. Yeah, I saw
like one Corolla and one Accord
and then there's this 70s Ferrari
and like I'm like Felix, we're going to have to
forward this like flooded
street. Like otherwise we're going to have to go
150 miles backwards to the next town.
So we had to go through all this
I was afraid I was going to crack the block. All the
steam came out when we were like submerge the
motor. Like yeah. Anyway, fun stuff.
I have crazy pictures from that day.
But there's the petroleum museum out there which explains
the Permian Basin. It's
like 2,500 feet in elevation but flat
almost no vegetation and it's so big
you can't see the mountains.
It's like 100 miles or more
in every direction from these two cities
out in the middle and it's just oil rigs
everywhere and it was like no women
Odessa and Midland both have
100,000 plus people in them but it's all
young roughneck men. Yeah.
Felix was like, I don't know about that here.
But the petroleum museum was sick
and it like explains
the geology of why there's so much
it was an ocean basically
and it shows all the layers and all the
different eras from millions of years ago
where there's plant and animal life that have led to all
this oil and there was a boom there 100 years
ago with like regular oil
and then whatever technology a lot I think
it's fracking. Whatever allowed people to extract
oil from gravel from
shale basically has led to this
second boom which is
I mean it's probably the closest thing to what it would
have been like to been in the old west like in a boom
town. It's just like every single
element of being out there is about
this boom that's happening right and
there's a ton of money but you know that's rough work
and that's tough stuff out there but the petroleum
museum was rad and then for some reason well it's
because he was from there that's where Jim Hall
a former guest of this podcast kept
the chaperrals which his family still owns
they're in this museum so there's one little room
and you know there's the D, E, F, G
and H they're all there
and the J I think is the fan car and then
the K is the first of his
Indy cars that he built with Penske
and they had one of those there too.
But you know both the open and closed one with
a huge wing across the top that's the E
and the F the D precedes
those there was one that I never
knew about which I think is the G which
you had to lay down in and it has windows
on the side I'll show you a picture of it it's wild
and then the last one
of the kind of white classic chaperrals
is the J
which is the one with the fan on the back
and the skirts and it sucks it down to the ground
which I think was made illegal after a year
and they had that one in like a little
faux workshop with the back off so you could see
how all the suction worked. That's amazing.
It was sick. I'm probably never going to go there again
and I've always wanted to see the chaperrals ringing
and I've talked about it. It's like when are you
going to be back here? How long was the total
drive then? How many days? 3,700 kilometers
2,000 miles. So the big haul
was from Mississippi to Scottsdale
so flew to Mississippi
first day was Mississippi to Houston
then Houston to Midland
Midland to El Paso another place
in our hotel room you could see CU Dad
Juarez like right out the window like it was
pretty easy. Really cool though
downtown El Paso. At that point we were making it up
me and my son. I didn't know if the car was going to make it
so I didn't get hotels past Midland
so we did that that was really cool
we drove the last like 100 miles right next to the border wall
like right along the Rio Grande
rolling into motel sixes and just like asking
if they have a room. No we looked ahead
we stayed in pretty fancy hotels every we could
I mean sometimes that's not really possible
like in Midland we stayed in like a Marriott
that was the nicest hotel there
but I wanted to try to find covered parking in most places
with us leaving the car right out in front they liked that
although as it got dirtier and dirtier
that was like less less today
I think we stayed in Tucson which was awesome
went to a big air museum there tried to go to the Triton
Triton Missile Museum
anyway one of those big you know where they have a whole
like town bunker underground with a big
intercontinental ballistic missile on a silo
and we went there and the tours were all sold out
and so all I did was walk around the outside
and that was the biggest disappointment that was the
kind of top thing I wanted to do
so got to go back to Tucson and then
just a hundred miles up to Phoenix
and the whole rest of my family came out and met us
and so we were in Phoenix for three days
for Thanksgiving my mom and dad all my
kids Arizona Biltmore shout out
best hotel in the world stayed there for a couple
days and then just another couple hundred
miles to Riverside on the last day
and cars staying in Southern California for some work
yeah it's going to get all that sorting done on it
I mean it needs every fluid
and everything at this point you know I bet a lot
of that stuff is ten years old but amazing car
I can't wait for you guys to drive it I think you'll really like it
I'll put a story too to bring it
you always do these fun like
pick up and drive home so flying drive is like
the only thing I want to do for the rest of my life
it's not really because you have to buy a car each time
it's not really like a car hobby you can have
but it's like the only thing I want to do
with the GT3 which
was almost as long as this
but I had it all
Oklahoma City but I did that solo
and that was a much newer car also with air conditioning
and everything but like I had I don't know
like 12 grand in service done on that car before I
did it this one was like
jumping and go on an older car
and all that but yeah I mean
I give us about
a 50-50 chance but we made it
nice I had a copilot this time that's awesome
shout out Felix I don't know if he wants his pictures
on the website I'll have to ask him before I send
anything to Chris but we'll post a couple
picks and if you get some wheel time
no wheel time for him but he did say he
really liked the car it was remarkably comfortable
for him he I think really enjoyed
getting to see the country I mean it's a part
of the country that I don't know I'm ever going to do again
I mean we were right down at the bottom edge of the country
and it was awesome I mean it took you buying
your dream car to get you out there
totally I mean it was rad
we were doing all the fun games like looking for out-of-state
plates we didn't see a California plate until
almost Phoenix
most of the plates were from the states that we
were in we kept an eye out
will we see a car that's cooler than the car
we're in the whole way I didn't see another Ferrari
until the Arizona
built more there was like a modern Ferrari
that night my dad did the last little leg with me
from Phoenix to Riverside
and we got passed by a yellow
California like a modern California
going extremely fast
and I told Felix that he said is that car cooler than yours
and I said no no
no it is not
got passed by an Amira those are really good looking
have you been around one of those it was a
one in person but yeah they look great one of the new ones
yeah I thought it was a Ferrari was coming up in the
it's because they have the proportions of a Ferrari
very good looking car
speaking of good looking cars
what do you got your eye on in these days
oh good good good look another professional segway
Tyler cut it out
sorry back
you're stealing back thunder
no great great call Tyler we should talk a little bit
about what's on the site because there is great stuff
my watch list is freaking sick
of course I have a 308 on it
even though I just bought one there's a red
vetrosina on the seat you saw that one
yeah yeah you see vetrosina you have to watch
we should talk about that 914
that's an incredible car back
yes the yellow one
it'll be closed by the time this goes live I think
we'll just have closed but like long
single family ownership blue plate
blue plate earlier car 1970
car so it still has the polished
front bumper which is crucial bumpers
914 6 but it hasn't
had what everyone adds which is the big
wheel arches which is great
is just about as honest
of a six cylinder 914 that you can get
I'm more and more enamored by these
on one of our pods you said you're like this is the
spec for me and then this car popped up and I'm like
oh this is the correct same for me
very good what else is on your list back
obviously the vetrosina we're talking about the 308
which is the fiberglass body car
and let's see here I've
American car though he doesn't have the good bumpers
like I do or the good motor very
true the tank
oh yeah another very on
mark 13 tank the
62 alpha male Gilletta Sprint
Zagato that is live
on the side of the Dakota Tronka yes that's
top of my head that was so good
I just saw that today for the first time
dude it what's funny is
Zagato is such an odd
duck when it adds their name to it
the fact that they're not a maker of cars
themselves but they have such a
clear brand like if you saw this
car it is a lot
2 2 2 1 1 2
it'll be over it's actually ending tomorrow
sending tomorrow but if you saw this and
you were just told you saw the alpha
you'd be like oh clearly that's a Zagato
even if you hadn't seen this car before
the shapes especially the back end
just screams of Zagato's
time with Alfa male I love that one
I'll be hopefully excited for that close
for tomorrow this is like the
second generation of the original
sz like the car that Howard
has transitionary before the TZ
which I like right yeah to
we've had one or two of these before they have the little
trunk opens in the back in the cam tail
the little there's like a door that
flaps open okay these have some of my favorite
seats of all time if not my favorite and I think
the TZ has similar seats they're like
butra seats really simple but these are green
in this car usually these are
we've had a silver one and a red one I think on
the site before but this is like a light
like grayish green and then as
a green interior I absolutely
love this car only two other cars
I'll mention because there's a lot of wealth
to be passed around but it really
important one would be the 67
911 s in red first
to your s to have one of those
missed that one these are rare
it's first year short wheelbase
these are just I mean it's the
start of 911 having multiple
like tier oh I did see this car I didn't realize
it was nest he's got wider fuchs a little wider
wider wheels added on there four and a half though on
these originally which looks so good that where the
spokes stick out of the wheels the original
fuchs the original speaking of
produce it yeah right and great seats
I'm not going to say the way you said it again
thank you and otherwise
just a kind of a never
never seen one in red the original s
they have a high red line too they're like 70
think 7500 rpm something like that something
pretty high for sure the next one up
the last one I'll mention is the X
Richard petty oh super bird
what a beast a white
I don't think I've ever seen a white super bird
before have you ever seen it I haven't and I want
so bad to have this car at Monterey
and while everyone's
driving around in their 67 s's
you just lumber down
the street in this beast would be incredible
I mean it's got to be the super bird
these one oh totally
unless you have like the Richard petty race car
race car would be the other one
it's a hemi but with an automatic right
isn't that the spec
440 440 okay with
an arm with a three speed auto yes
amazing car looks so good
and white I wouldn't have thought that
it was a fantastic presentation to great
great presentation it's a grammar hall
isn't it is great not a huge
fan of the spinning photo studio
no but those guys do a good job they do a
good job and it totally also
get for a car of like this
this time of year you might just not
take it outside so yeah maybe
especially not in Indianapolis there's a petty
hat in there too with the feather isn't there
I think so that's amazing I mean you've got to
wear the hat 100%
you can drive the car 100%
a couple other I don't know if you have some shoutouts Tyler
the Sultan of Brunei LMO
two that's been turned into a wagon
I love car oh is it really
that car is extremely
sick I don't really like LMO
too is that much but this one does it
for me they look really good is like a
like a hunting wagon or whatever it is
for sure you kind of wish that they
made it that way totally ended it into
other yeah variants there but
very interesting peculiar
Roland's been working this one for a long
long time has classic LMO
to issues of very
old tires because finding tires
there's a whole conversation about the tires
in the comments I know it goes back
where people some people say that you can find
tires for them some people say that you can but
they're 35 grand a set so yeah
they probably do a run of them and then you have to
wait forever till they do another run of them
because how many there's like 300 of these or something
I don't know the bill yeah 301 yeah I've
read the description the other night was converted
later like 10 or 15 years after the
truck was built was when the Sultan had
it converted into this I don't know what to call
it's like a hunting wagon kind of it's got like a big
bench seat but it's enclosed all the way back
do we call it like a limo of some sort
as I recall he had a lot of things
converted for like Falcon hunting and stuff
so it's something like that it's got like a pop
top on it and it's got like extra seats
in the back normally they have like a little pickup truck
bed on it and this is like the most peculiar
almost like a little living room
in the back it's you totally it's three
bench seats all pointing into the middle
like as though it's a little salon in
the back salon is the best way to
describe it it's like if you
were an important person and you need to have
meetings on the go
but they hadn't invented the sprinter van
with the executive suite put into it
this was it also imagine climbing back there
you have to climb through all the seats yeah all
these executives are just getting in climbing
between the rear seats yeah in order to sit
back there what do you got
Tyler what's on your list that we've missed
back you had a lot of the same stuff as me
yeah you guys got a lot of really neat high-end
stuff I kind of went a little bit in the other direction
good and we've got this live
right now this 1994
speedster which is like oh yes
believe it or not a driver quality
good those are they almost
always have like 1900 miles and no one drove
this one's got like four I mean it's
under 50,000 miles I want to say
but the car's kind of photographed in
a storage facility of some kind
I mean it's not that kind
of Graham Ray Hall presentation the photos
are driver quality too but it's like
it's that's the car that you could if you
if you want a speedster and you like to really
drive you can get in this one and do so
I love it Coco mats I completely
missed this
I'm okay with them like 89 speedsters better
nine six fours
gosh it's so splitting here I like the nine
six four because mechanically speaking
other than some turbo
suspension bits motor
powertrain they're identical to the standard
NA cars and
if you're going to get a cabrio then
absolutely probably the speedster is the way to go
right but if you're I don't know
you get the wide body out of it which is nice
but you don't really start getting a mechanically
different car until the 997s
but I don't like those as much I agree
the newer ones are hunchbacky looking a little bit
yeah they don't have the clamshell these
these other ones don't have that same weird
proportion for these the top is cool on these
the top when it's up it looks good with
the top up which is rare for a cabrio
which is windshield small windows it's
just kind of a it's just something a little bit
speedster windshields are important I'm
actually I know that the top is
important for this car but at the same time
we don't have I'm going to nitpick a little
more a photo in the listing
that has the top down
your lead image of a cabrio should always be
I would argue top down because you're selling
the opportunity not the asset and then
you would have one photo in line that would have top
up to just demonstrate that it does in fact work
or at least closes and it's tough
to see that there's photos in the gallery
of the top going down which is good they should
have thorough photos of the top going up and down
they do but I don't think they want that hero shot
you want a hero show top down which I don't think they have
this is the case of you know they're
putting this car on BAT we're not going to put road
blocks in their way but at the same time would be
really nice I think it would help with
presentation a little bit but I think that's
kind of what I like about it it's a I mean I
consider these to be special kind of higher end cars
and it's treated the way
it's a car you know it's
treated the way you know you would treat
Alaska title did you see that
that was interesting yeah Alaska
late what that is it's not there anymore
it's in Vegas but man cool
that's a good shout out to Tyler very good also pricing
wise what's nice is that
these nine six fours go for crazy
money now and with that kind of miles like
you can actually get a speedster for what
maybe coupe pricing would be total which is
well nine six fours are out of control
so that's actually I've a dream
of a business where you just buy
see for nine six fours
with tiptronics and just
convert them into rear wheel drive manuals
and make lots of imaginary profit
well someone those have all been bought for
singer those have all been bought for singer
project yeah you don't even put in that kind of money
all you do is just manual swap and rear wheel drive
well you know at the nine six fours the
rarest of nine elevens because
Porsche was in a terrible financial position
at that point they were not doing very well that's why
they really aged very nicely though
they were always my favorite and they were
unloved for a long time and they were really cheap
when I learned about the mechanical
mistakes they made in designing the motor
I just couldn't stand these cars early on
they had all issues with
it's not a wonderful quality era
for the interiors and stuff either right but
much like the nine nine six it's one of those things
where over time these owners have
fixed all these issues and the mid years
too like mine nine twelve were also considered
terrible cars the seventy fours to seventy seven
and you got to get over the mistakes they
would have made when they were new and all these
things have been fixed now and I completely
agree they've grown on me massively
because I seem like such more modern
experience it fixes a lot of the issues
in the eighties cars when you get in
in a Carrera like it feels much more vintage
than it actually is whereas nine six
four is a huge leap just in appearances
and comfort and it's something that I would
love to experience at some point but
to your point they're incredibly
I would argue overpriced but they're
they're very aesthetically very pleasing to
me and always were because to me
even though the nine and three technically is
the same shell the nine and three looks like
a different car the nine six four to me
is the last one that looks like a sixty
four nine eleven it's all in the headlamps
vertical headlamps and also
in the eighties roof had cleaned up
the end caps so that the nine six four
still looks a little bit like a roof
modified eighties nine eleven right
I love them I've always liked them but
yes they have all these problems and for a long time
they were really cheap and then that also
has a knock on effect if people didn't
maintain them for a long time so there were a
lot of kind of crappy ones oh these things
we were selling them you know in the 20s
sometimes back in twenty eighteen
under side photos and they would be like the
caked on oil because it's just been
and the front air dam is always bent
in the middle of the front
good stuff the other car just because
I feel like we went heavy European on those
this one had bid to last week
just a really wonderfully
specced car sixty six Corvette
coupe l 72 427
425 horsepower
paging back realistically
realistically like 450 horse in the
66's I believe notoriously
made more than the 435
horse claimed in 67 for
speed but the real kicker
is it's in most sport green
so all that in a most sport green
coupe with side pipes with gold line
tires with turbine knockoffs
what is the interior on this I'm pulling
this up stat it's like a it's like a dark
green vinyl with like really nice
green see I mean it's just a fantastically
classy spec for this car
I know this is a little bit too early
I think there's a few years later but I feel like
if you buy this car they should just give you your
astronaut wings that's just
how good looking sir you said it's a 66
yes it's in Canada
own for 20 years I don't know
the most sport green has just become
one of my favorite colors on the planet
for 60's Chevrolets
trucks or Corvettes possibly
Camaro's I'm not sure I think it may be I've seen
one but this specific spec
the 425 horse with the four speed
in most sport green I mean this is kind of the
one kind of everything there yeah this
would be the one man this is a great car
knockoff wheels
what's the lot number on that one
lot number is and this
is fun to say two two
two zero five five
well done
sidepipes man that's good
only other one I'll mention since we were talking
nine six fours did you guys see the super low
mileage nine six four turbo
three six which is like one of the most desirable
Porsches and also very rare
like the bad boys car but it's
slate gray and low miles
the pity is already at
$765,000
oh yeah incredible
oh wow yeah I mean that car
is nuts I don't
love the red piping on the seats but I mean
to find a car of this spec
in this condition is like this is the one
if you want the collector grade of the
three six turbo and I believe this is the rarest
of all the turbos of like normal production
turbos that aren't like special right now
the three six nine six power kit
the slate gray is so interesting because
it looks so modern it does it
because there's so many cars are in this color now yeah
correct and to the point in which you're thinking
like oh is this must be a repeat or
something yeah it's like every Audi
in 2015 totally
or Porsche has had a nice matte color
not matte but non-metallic colors
but Porsche always had these kind of
non-metallic colors yeah
they just were incredibly rare
it would look weird running around in the 90s
350 horsepower
talking about cars that make good
horsepower for their age
yeah big old turbo don't you don't forget
Will Smith it's one of the fastest production
cars of all time zero to 64 seconds
baby or whatever he says opening scene of
bad boys God it's a good car
that's a really good one oh one other very quick
shout out that I think is worth pointing out
I don't know if either of you guys will be
care about this one but this appeals to my
kind of eccentric taste
in cars the 1953
cheese Italia prototype did you
guys see this you guys probably didn't even see this
goodness it's in premium I think that's how
you say it oh okay how would
you pronounce that I was my dad always said
I think it's cheese Italia I think I'd
never heard of this car before in my life but it was so
beautiful when I saw it yes and it's a weird
prototype it's got a flat head in it it's
such a cool car what's how do you describe
that front grill it's got
these vertical chrome slats
it's almost like a Curtis or
like a really Corvette front grill but then
the 53 Corvette girl but then the front
bumper splits it
in the middle yes yeah it's
got an interestingly weird Italian
slash American look to it
yeah if you're familiar with Gia's
like coach Bill it's a Gia design body
not like I mean Gia did design the
Carmen Gia but they're you know the dual Gia
or any of the custom
body Gia cars it has kind of some of the similar
look to it almost like a DB4 rear
end if you read the comments
on it which are interesting a lot of people are
kind of guessing what it influenced
because 53 is early for this right and you
can see a lot of influence of later
50s cars I mean this is like a
show car basically right and show cars often
are showing whatever the cutting edge
trends are that then show up in production cars
and you can see a lot of influences from later
cars in the profile in the front end
in the rear end styling it's just a super
interesting car I mean it has what looks like a 44
steering wheel on it it's got a mercury
flathead in it all that wooden
book photo I mean it has
really cool historical photos has
an interesting history of where it ended up
and where it was fixed up
listening to this is a really fun read
I would recommend anyone read that
pretty confident it was written by Cecily
I think we can safely give her a shout out
this is a really really good listing
and a really interesting car and this is the stuff
I promise the last thing I'll say about
all this is the stuff that makes me love
to work at BAT as cars like this didn't know about it
a lot of important history
wrapped up in a listing like this and
I'm now following it and I'm very curious
to see where it lands I just
added it to my watch list
it'll actually end on the day that this
goes live it's called
the I think I'm saying she's Italian
right but however you say the manufacturer
it's an 808XF
so weird designation
it's a kind of a one-off prototype
has a little bit of
comete in it you know the the Ford
comete that was a French Comet
the French word for Comet that has a little
V860 in it flathead and have you ever seen
one of those we've sold a couple of those I've not heard of it
has a little bit of that in it I mean has a
there's a lot of mid 50s sports car
that you can see in this design anyway
love it
what else guys any other parting shots
here BS for an hour and six minutes
awesome now I don't know about that
we can we can never find anything to talk
about you guys I will once again actually
promise the fast and furious pod that's coming
back you're in right 100% okay great
be looking at the BAT calendar
I'm sure we're gonna start at some point
announcing what our events will be for
2026 pretty soon hopefully one in January
I don't want to promise anything I'm not part of that
we've got it we've got a couple penciled
in for early in the year so a big one
certainly in February and February got it
so be watching the calendar that's where we're
going to announce all those things absolutely
I'll say Rex if you haven't seen it already
Jason Kamisa just published his 50
year anniversary video on the Porsche
turbo oh cool as one example of every
single car it's a 40 minute watch
but if you if you like that stuff
totally all the way up to the 992
up to the 992 with the new one
which is a hybrid now and they talk about
you know all the sort of generational progress
but Patrick Long is in it and they go all around
the country they go to Pike's Peak Jeff Swartz
in it as well it's a good watch oh man I'm gonna
have to check that out for sure early
turbos are really doing it recently there's a
lot of heavy 75 turbo driving
non-intercooled those are the ones yes
you can listen to this podcast you can
listen to Magnus Walker extemporize
on why the non-intercooled
turbos are the move and not the 3.3
intercooled turbos bill noon has a 75
turbo live on the site right now that car
that's another one worth talking about oh
I love those crap I stopped
by Matt Crandall's shop on the way
across the country and he had a
Euro 3.3
turbo white with the black
turbo graphics down the side it's so
good he also had
don't think I'm blown up a spot he had his
personal none and three twin turbo
which he let me take a little spin in with
drive conversion and 575 horsepower
and it was a
boot to drive that car
like it's it's pretty rare I just driven this
Ferrari across the country but you get in a car
and you step on it once and you're laughing out loud
it's pretty rare that you get cars like that he's like
yeah it's pretty good isn't it I said it is
it is good Matt
speaking of good cars Alex too I suppose
the whole world might have seen it by now
is your Wall Street Journal
oh yeah sure it is
my little cord thing oh yeah we haven't talked
about the coolest pictures I've ever seen of you
you're not that cool in real life
definitely not that's a shout out to David
our pro photographer who made me
and in particular my father look like a badass
I mean my dad is kind of a badass
you guys both look badass it looks like you're driving
around your cord to pick up the rent
totally totally
he did such a good job there's a couple I don't think
there's any in the article but my son Enzo
my five year old son was with us for most of that
day too the photographer wrote around for a whole day
with us in that car while we were on a drive
and A.J. Bain
wrote yeah shout out to A.J.
he used a lot to let me read it
I embarrassingly bought a couple of the hard copies
of the paper so I'll bring one of those in
so people can read it but really fun
day hanging out with the photographer and then
what a treat to work with A.J. I former guest of this podcast
great guy author of the book that
Ford vs. Friars based on but go like hell is the actual name
of it and then also arsenal of democracy
about the building of Willow Run
to build B24 Liberators by the Ford
family and then turned into a car factory after that
that is one of my favorite books I've read in the last
10 years so great author and this is his column
in the Wall Street Journal and a real treat
to do it really really fun and obviously
my dad thrilled you know
cord stuff and it was just a fun day
in general driving around with a bunch of old
cords in some ways more impressive
that that car lasted 150 miles
on a drive and the Ferrari
making it 2,000 miles
well how many years are in difference between that
cord and the Ferrari
cord is a 36 so it is going to be
90 years old next year and the
Ferrari is almost 50 years old
so 40 years of difference
and the difference between 36 and 78
is considerably more than the difference
between 78 and today although
to be fair the cord was pretty advanced
for its day it's got a four speed hydraulic brakes
and you know I've driven a lot
very different 36 cars you could be in
totally driving around in a 36 Ford
with a solid front end and stuff you'd be
bouncing around you actually probably wouldn't want to
do the drive that I did in most cars
from 1936 I mean think about the difference
from 1936
just back 20 years to
1916 and like the assembly line
totally I mean that is insane
you know particularly in war time
this happens but when technology advances
really quick I mean think about
an airplane at the beginning of World War 2
and only six years later at the end of World War 2
where there's jets you know just incredible
rapid change of technology and
for cars that interwar period right
the difference between a 1918 and a
19 is pretty significant
that's amazing I mean you've got a 40 year
difference between two cars at your own
some people don't even have a 40 year old car to begin with
I thought maybe it was with you guys or somebody
else we were talking about what's the oldest car
I was asking Randy that what's the oldest car
you guys have driven how far back does that go
28 model A
you've got older than me that's good
it was an experience a very slow
experience but
was it unmodified or wasn't a hot rod
it was modified in the sense
that it didn't quite have a floor
and maybe some other metal parts
but it was still like an unsynchroed 3 speed
and all that I was a legit 3 speed
I assume it was a V8 but I'm not
no those are 4 cylinders model A's are 4 cylinders
the 32 Ford the Deuce
that's the flathead
but it was a roaster
the first half of 32 is still
4 cylinders it's a big
it's a 200 cubic or 201 cubic inch
flathead 4 cylinder in model A's
and then for the first 6 months
the 32
and then the V8 comes out
this definitely felt like a 4 cylinder
now that I recall
it was a roadster pickup
which is just a fun package
and it's one that I would like to
totally old cars are freaking fun
my favorite thing about the Ferrari
is that I love the GT3
I love my NSX but
I felt like a poser especially in the GT3
like older is better
I just like it
don't remind me of that
I'm embarrassed
I think it's a 64
356
that's pretty old
you couldn't take many young people
and put them in that and have them feel comfortable with it
disc brakes
we still need to get our drum brake rally going
you've never owned a car with drum brakes have you
not front drums
not front drums yes
my Tahoe has back drums
4 wheel drums that's our rally
the drum brake rally
I got a bike with drum brakes
good little tiny ones probably
alright boys thank you what a treat
as always thanks to all of you for listening
and we will catch you next time
About this episode
A lively discussion unfolds as the hosts reminisce about their Thanksgiving experiences, including festive meals and family gatherings. They dive into automotive topics, sharing insights on classic cars like the Ferrari 308 GTB and the challenges of motorcycle maintenance. The conversation touches on the intricacies of car restoration, the quirks of various models, and humorous anecdotes from their automotive journeys. Notable mentions include Bill Paxton's film roles and the upcoming Fast and Furious podcast episode, all while maintaining a light-hearted banter that keeps listeners engaged.
buying old cars
California smog certificate
carburetor
collector car
deferred maintenance
drive cycle
dry sump motor
Fuchs Wheels
horsepower
M54 motor
Acura NSX
BMW 2002
BMW 3 Series
Chevrolet Camaro
Chevrolet Corvette
Chevrolet Tahoe
Dodge Dart
Ferrari 308 GTB
Ferrari Enzo
Ferrari F355
Fisker Ocean
Honda Accord
Honda Civic
Hyundai Tucson
Lotus Emira
Mercury Comet
Peugeot 308
Plymouth Superbird
Pontiac Fiero
Porsche 356
Porsche 911
Porsche 914
Skoda Rapid
Tesla Semi
Toyota Corolla
Toyota MR2
Toyota Sprinter
Toyota Supra
Original notes
Alex, Beck, and Tyler catch up in what can only be called a rambling fashion. They immediately launch into a career appreciation of Bill Paxton (RIP); talk sharing Thanksgiving plates and Tyler's 10-carb weekend; take a largely ignorant automotive linguistic detour; defeat the perils of disassembling modern interior trim; grouse about California smog testing; reminisce about the long road to Beck's E46 ZHP sedan going live on the site; and briefly cover VW Type 2 and Vanagon powerplant options.
Alex describes the culmination of a lifelong dream: his recent acquisition of, and road trip in, his Euro 1978 308 GTB (spoiler: he reveals that, to this day, he's never had a car break down on the road). The crew wrap up by riffing on their various BaT watchlists.
Links for things mentioned in this episode:
3:2 2 1970 Porsche 914-6
17:15 2004 BMW 330i ZHP Sedan 6-Speed
19:51 1988 Mercedes-Benz 300E 5-Speed
36:05 Petroleum Museum in Midland, Texas
38:18 BaT Podcast Episode: Texas Legend: Jim Hall and his Chaparrals
43:12 36-Years-Owned 1976 Ferrari 308 GTB Vetroresina
44:06 c.1962 Centurion Mk 13 Main Battle Tank
44:16 1962 Alfa Romeo Giulietta Sprint Zagato Coda Tronca
45:37 23-Years-Owned 1967 Porsche 911S Coupe
46:19 Ex–Richard Petty 1970 Plymouth Superbird
47:28 Ex–Sultan of Brunei 1986 Lamborghini LM002 Wagon by Diomante
49:24 38k-Mile 1994 Porsche 911 Speedster 5-Speed
54:20 20-Years-Owned 1966 Chevrolet Corvette Coupe L72 427/425 4-Speed
55:47 2,500-Mile, Slate Gray 1994 Porsche 911 Turbo 3.6
1:00:25 Porsche 911 Turbo Documentary with Jason Cammisa, Henry Catchpole, and Friends
57:16 65-Years-Family-Owned 1953 Cisitalia 808XF Coupe Prototype
1:00:59 BaT Podcast Episode: The Many Porsches of Magnus Walker
1:01:07 1975 Porsche 930 Turbo
1:01:54 Love for a Cult-Favorite Car Brand Runs in the Family (WSJ paywall)
1:02:42 BaT Podcast Episode: AJ Baime on Go Like Hell, The Arsenal of Democracy, and More
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