First Drive of Jason’s VR6-Swapped MK3 Cabrio — Carmudgeon w/ Cammisa & Derek Tam-Scott — Ep. 221
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First Drive of Jason’s VR6-Swapped MK3 Cabrio — Carmudgeon w/ Cammisa & Derek Tam-Scott — Ep. 221
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Car
Volkswagen Cabrio
The Volkswagen Cabrio is a small convertible car that was popular in the 1990s. It's known for being fun to drive and is based on the Volkswagen Golf, which is a well-known hatchback.
Term
VR6
The VR6 is a special type of engine made by Volkswagen that has six cylinders arranged in a V shape. It's designed to be smaller and lighter than traditional six-cylinder engines while still providing good power.
Car
Volkswagen VR6
The VR6 is a special kind of engine made by Volkswagen. It's designed to be smaller and lighter than a typical V6 engine but still gives you a lot of power.
Car
Volkswagen Mark III VR6
The Volkswagen Mark III VR6 is a type of Golf or Jetta that has a special engine called a VR6. This engine is known for being powerful and smooth, making the car fun to drive.
Car
Volkswagen Mark I Cabriolet
The Volkswagen Mark I Cabriolet is a convertible version of the first Golf model, known for being light and stylish. It was made a long time ago but is still loved by many car fans.
Car
Jaguar Mark I
The Jaguar Mark I is an older luxury car that looks really nice and was made a long time ago. People talk about it because it's a classic and represents a time when Jaguar was becoming famous.
Car
Volkswagen Scirocco
The Volkswagen Scirocco is a sporty car that Volkswagen made in the past. It's known for being fun to drive and has a unique look.
Car
Volkswagen Mark 1
The Mark 1 is the first version of the Volkswagen Golf and Jetta cars. It's known for being reliable and is loved by many car fans.
Concept
expresso package
The expresso package was a special option for some Plymouth cars that made them look sportier and more fun to drive.
Car
Plymouth Neon
The Plymouth Neon Sedan is a small and affordable car that many people used to buy because it was easy to drive and didn't cost a lot. It's often talked about when discussing budget cars.
Car
Plymouth Breeze
The Plymouth Breeze is a car that was made in the 1990s. It was designed to be comfortable and easy to drive.
Car
Dodge Neon
The Dodge Neon is a small car that was made to be cheap and easy to drive. It's often mentioned because it was a popular choice for people looking for an affordable vehicle.
Car
Volkswagen Golf
The Volkswagen Golf is a small car that many people like because it's easy to drive and has a lot of space inside. It comes in different styles, including a version without a roof, called a convertible, which makes it fun to drive on sunny days.
Part
upper strut tower brace
An upper strut tower brace is a part that connects the tops of the front suspension towers in a car. It makes the car's body stiffer, which can help it handle better when turning.
Part
lower brace
A lower brace is a part that connects different parts of the car's frame underneath. It helps make the car stronger and can improve how it drives, especially when turning or going over bumps.
Car
Volkswagen GTI VR6
The Volkswagen GTI VR6 is a sporty version of the GTI that has a special engine called a VR6, making it faster and more powerful than regular models.
Term
five speed swap
A five speed swap means changing a car's transmission to one that has five gears. This can make the car more fun to drive and help it perform better.
Term
steering wheel
The steering wheel is what you hold to turn the car. It helps you steer in the direction you want to go.
Term
brakes
Brakes are what help a car slow down or stop. They work by squeezing the wheels to create friction, which slows the car down.
Term
suspension
Suspension is the part of a car that helps keep it stable and comfortable while driving. It includes springs and shock absorbers that support the car's weight and smooth out bumps in the road.
Car
Mark I Cabriolet
The Mark I Cabriolet is a convertible car made by Volkswagen. It's part of the first generation of the Golf model and is known for being fun to drive with the top down.
Term
horsepower
Horsepower is a way to measure how powerful an engine is. The higher the horsepower, the faster and more powerful the car can be.
Term
brake bleeding
Brake bleeding is when you get rid of air trapped in the brake lines. If there's air, your brakes might not work as well, making them feel soft when you press the pedal.
Term
brake fluid
Brake fluid is the liquid that helps your brakes work. It moves the force from your foot on the brake pedal to the brakes themselves, so it's important to keep it at the right level.
Term
ABS
ABS is a system in cars that helps prevent the wheels from stopping completely when you brake hard, which helps you steer better and avoid accidents.
Part
master cylinder
The master cylinder is a part of the brake system that helps push the brake fluid to the brakes when you press the brake pedal, making the car stop.
Term
bench bleeding
Bench bleeding is a way to get rid of air in the brake parts before putting them in the car, so the brakes work correctly without any problems.
Term
slave cylinder
The slave cylinder is a part that helps the car's clutch or brakes work by moving when it gets pushed by fluid pressure, making it easier to change gears or stop.
Part
brake hoses
Brake hoses are tubes that help the brakes work by carrying fluid from the car's main brake system to the brakes at each wheel. They need to be in good condition to ensure the brakes work safely.
Term
OEM
OEM means the original parts made by the car's manufacturer. If a car feels 'very OEM', it means it works like it did when it was new.
Part
harness
A harness is like a bundle of wires that connects different parts of a car to help them work together. It makes sure that electricity can flow to where it's needed, like for the headlights or dashboard lights.
Car
Volkswagen Jettas
The Volkswagen Jetta is a small car that many people use for daily driving. It's known for being reliable and good on gas.
Term
fuse block
A fuse block is a part of a car's electrical system that holds fuses. Fuses are like safety switches that stop too much electricity from damaging the car's parts.
Term
engine
The engine is the part of the car that makes it go. If someone says the engine is 'trash', it means it's broken or not working well.
Part
head
The head is a part of the engine that helps control how air and fuel go in and out. If it needs to be replaced, it can be a big deal for the engine's performance.
Car
Ferrari 250
The Ferrari 250 GTO is a very rare and beautiful car that was made a long time ago. People love to talk about it because it's not only fast but also worth a lot of money today.
Term
transmission rebuild
A transmission rebuild is when a mechanic takes apart a car's transmission to fix it. They check all the parts and replace anything that's broken, making the transmission work like new again.
Car
Volkswagen Eurovan
The Volkswagen Eurovan is a big van that can carry a lot of people and stuff. It's popular for road trips and camping because it has a lot of space inside.
Car
Porsche 911
The Porsche 911 is a famous sports car that many people admire for how fast and stylish it is. It's been around for a long time, and finding older versions can be tough because they're so popular.
Car
BMW M3
The BMW M3 is a special version of a regular BMW car that is made to go really fast and handle well on the road. People talk about it because it feels exciting to drive and has some unique features compared to the regular models.
Car
Lucid Air
The Lucid Air is a fancy electric car that can go really far on a single charge. It's talked about a lot because it's one of the new cars that shows how electric vehicles can be both luxurious and powerful.
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I thought you were done.
Were you done?
They're listening.
Welcome to another episode of The Cormorant Show.
Cormorant Show is driven by Hagerty.
I am Jason Camisa.
That is Derek, Tim, Hyphen Scott.
And in this episode, we have a Mark III VR6 swapped
Volkswagen Cabrio behind us,
because that means Jason has got it into a functional state.
Enough functionality for it to be driven here under its own power.
No humans or anything else were harmed in the process of getting it here.
I drove it.
Why did squirrels fall out of trees?
No, I'm excruciating pain.
I'm very sore from this whole project.
No fatal injuries on the way here.
No one has died in the pursuit of a VR6 engine Mark III.
So we'll go through the discussion of the, I won't say conclusion,
but the latest chapter in the swap.
And I now have a drivable Mark III VR6 convertible.
Dashboard delete.
You had to go there, right?
You just keep pointing out any other flaws you'd like to point out?
We also just to show, it's Cal Shake, of course,
but nothing near that other one.
So I also have my Mark I Cabriolet here, which by the way,
in case you guys at home don't know, Volkswagen's are jealous bitches.
I've owned that car for I think 13 years, the Mark I,
and it has never failed to start.
I put some huge amount of work into another Volkswagen.
And this is in the VW community.
I see the look on your face and I know how stupid the words coming out of my mouth sound,
but these are jealous bitches of cars.
And so like years ago, sorry for the tangent pre-bumper here,
but years ago I was calling my VW parts guy and I ordered some stuff for,
I think it was for my VR6 Golf back in the day.
And I said, oh, you know what? Throw a set of 16 valve plug wires in.
And he's like, Jason, you just bought them like a year and a half ago or something.
I said, I know, and I can't believe I'm admitting this to you,
but if I don't buy the Scirocco something, it's going to break.
And he was like, Oh my God, you're, you didn't just say that.
And I'm like, I did.
And I'm embarrassed.
He's like, no, that's what I do.
So he used to take his cars out of the garage when he worked on one.
So the other ones couldn't see what he was doing.
This is a guy who very successfully ran a Volkswagen aftermarket parts company.
He was a great guy.
And he was like, my wife used to think I was crazy.
And then she would see what would happen when I didn't, when I didn't do it.
They got jealous and they would break.
So I would take them out of sight.
I'm like, yeah, I always have to buy this is your gift.
I love you too.
Please don't break on me.
So today I come in, I pulled the VR6 in, it gets here or whatever.
And I have to move the Mark 1 had been here, it's never failed to start.
It cranked and cranked and cranked and cranked and cranked and cranked and
cranked and the fire it and died and cranked and cranked and cranked and cranked
and cranked and cranked and would not start, killed the battery trying to start it.
Had to put a jumper box on it and cranked it some more until the jumper box was half dead
and it finally was like a final live.
So I took it for a ride around the block and I pet it
And I'm like, I still love you.
And by the way, you're going to be in the background
with your now younger sister.
Shut the fuck up.
And was it due?
Start right up.
Completely happy.
Absolutely perfect.
They're jealous little bitches.
Okay, and baskets.
And I'm not crazy, bitch, baskets.
Anyway, I'm not crazy, I swear.
And the men who are coming here
to put me in the little white coat
will be happy to tell me that.
Okay, all right.
I think that now is the time that I clap.
And we listen to the jingle.
Are you applauding my insanity?
Yes.
Expresso.
Expresso?
Is that what you're going to call it?
I hate it.
Where I grew up, this is called expresso.
This is spelled wrong.
The S's pronounces an X, it's expresso.
What's your fucking problem, huh?
Will you talk?
Look right to that camera over,
one of those cameras over there
and talk to the New Yorkers
and tell them it's pronouncing it wrong.
It's also waiting in line, not waiting online.
No, we wait online in New York.
I was waiting online at Dwayne Reed.
Damn it, what was I going to say about the expresso?
Oh, expresso was also a really cleverly named package
for the Plymouth Breeze and Plymouth Neon.
It was a sport pack, they called the expresso.
It's cute, it's like a cappuccino,
but only without the milk and with extracts.
Dodge Neon.
No, Plymouth Neon.
Plymouth, Plymouth had the expresso pack.
Dodge might have also,
but I know Plymouth it because I work for Plymouth.
Anyway, we're not here.
We are here.
You see how that turned out.
We are here to not.
For Plymouth, not free.
We're here to talk about other cars
with double overhead cam.
No, hold on.
Yeah, anyway, behind us,
or technically to my left and your right,
but from their perspective behind us,
we have two engines swapped,
actually entire driveline swapped,
Volkswagen Golf Convertibles.
I surprised you.
In fact, we have the video of you walking in
and as always, Derek emotes so much.
I was hoping for like,
I'm like, we have the car stage in here.
Derek walks in and I'm videoing in.
I'm expecting you to be like,
holy shit, it made it here.
Cause as of a couple of days ago,
the car had just started and you said what?
I don't remember.
You pointed to it and said, car,
hold on, play the tape.
Car.
Surprise.
It made it.
No dashboard.
You know, you have to point out the flaws.
Yeah.
You just didn't emot and the first thing you notice
is the thing that it's missing,
which is the basically entire interior.
Yeah, it's a lightweight model right now.
And you said structurally deficient as a result of that.
I mean, it's missing a couple of dash board braces.
And by that, I mean all of them.
It has profound cowl shake, I will say that.
But that will be reduced when all that stuff is installed.
Yes.
And I also, so once the bracing's in, it'll get better.
Once the dashboard cross member is fully tightened,
cause I did a cursory tighten on it.
That should also help.
And then I bought Euro sport accessories,
sells an upper strut tower brace and then a lower brace
that's already on the Mark one and makes a huge difference.
That's good because I noted a lot of cowl shake
and that thing, I mean, not to expose the lead too early,
but I was like, I would like this car better
if it had a roof because of the cowl shake.
Yeah.
Which is funny because well.
They did make a factory version of the car with a roof.
It's called the GTI VR6.
With no swapping required.
Yeah, but when I built a four door, so GTI VR6,
GTI was two door only for Mark three.
I think I've talked about this ad nauseam before, but for.
And four and two and one, two door only GTI.
GTI was two door, but they made a four door golf,
but not a four door GTI.
But that was true of the GTI
until the Mark five came out, right?
Was there ever a four door GTI until the Mark five came out?
Not in the U.S.
Okay.
But yeah, for Mark five, they started to offer both.
And in fact, for Mark five,
they introduced the four door first.
And I, no, there was two door first.
And then I went on the launch for Mark six in Europe
or four door.
Anyway, neither there nor there.
I built many, many years ago in the late nineties,
early 2000s.
I think it was probably 2000, 2001.
I built, I bought a four door Mark three golf
and had it by way, by the way it turned out,
I had swapped to a, it was an automatic two point slow
with 29,174 miles on it when it was 10 years old,
roughly almost 10 years old, say eight years old,
had it swapped to a VR six and five speed.
And the reason I had it done was because the interest,
the exchange rate between the U.S. and Canada
at the time was outrageously.
Favorable.
Favorable.
And so it wound up being less expensive.
I looked it up, I think it was almost 5,000 bucks.
But I dropped it off, had the best shop in Toronto
do a five speed swap and the VR six swap
and then got it back.
And then did suspension and brakes and seats
and steering wheel and you name it.
I did everything to that car.
Was one of my favorite daily drivers ever.
In fact, when my mom just saw the red car,
she's like, what are you doing with this thing?
I'm like, remember the silver golf?
She's like, oh yeah, that's one of my favorite cars
of all time.
So that thing was so much fun.
I'm like, well, we're doing it.
Anyway, I did that car and I had always regretted
after a couple of years of dailying it,
I regretted not just swapping everything into a cabrio
because actually I thought this is a special engine.
It deserves to be heard from inside and out.
So it's funny that you want it with a roof
and I'm now doing this 20 years.
It's a summer of 2005 is when I sold my four door.
20 years later, I'm recreating my,
one of my favorite cars of all time.
So anyway, yeah, so we have a theme.
The Mark I, that's a Mark I cabriolet,
the Jewish racing gold one.
That originally came with an eight valve,
1.8 liter with 90 horsepower.
It now has a two liter 16 valve with call it 170.
The Mark III came with a 2.08 valve
that had 115 horsepower.
It now has 172 soon to be more than that.
Allegedly, when it was new, it had 172.
I bet it still does.
Didn't feel quick to you?
It felt quick.
Yeah, certainly felt quicker than the two points low.
That was the, okay.
So we've talked about that.
That was the dog, which is insulting to dogs.
Dogs are fun and peppy and have a lot of personality.
Two points low does not.
Yeah, so it has much more personality now.
Okay, so we surprised you here
and then we didn't talk really about anything
I said, just go drive it and we can discuss.
It feels very OEM.
Congratulations, you did high quality work.
I mean, I think the brakes need to be bled probably,
but in terms of how it functions,
more still again, more brake bleeding,
the brakes a little soft.
Twice, two and a half times really.
I have gone through a couple of quarts of brake fluid
and I keep getting a lot of air out.
Yeah, it was originally, I can get it into ABS,
but the pedals at the bottom of the travel,
but that is a new master and all new lines.
This is a common Mark III issue.
Apparently it's what the internet tells me
is that they're a bitch to bleed.
I bench bled the master cylinder
and I bench bled the lines and still,
there's still air everywhere.
And then I bench bled the master and slave.
Is it getting better?
It is better than it was,
but yesterday the right rear last night,
so I got the car ready for you last night
because I wanted you to drive it before we recorded today.
The right rear line had, God,
six, seven inches of air in it.
So I mean, and I had gotten all the air out already twice.
So where is it coming from?
It's just the way that there's,
there are six brake, flexible brake hoses on the car
that I've replaced.
And so one each for the front wheels,
which are straight shot down.
So they should be fairly easy to do.
The rears, you have hard lines that go to the trailing arm,
to the suspension basically.
And from the body over onto the twist beam,
there's a flexible line with a high spot,
which is really stupid
because that's of course where air will wanna collect.
So it goes up and over
and then it goes back to a hard line over to the disc
and then flexible from there.
And on my Schiracco,
I did brake lines now probably 13 years ago
and have never gotten them to bleed.
That brake has never felt as good as it did before I did it.
I vacuum bled them.
I've done everything I knew how to do
and then two other mechanics.
So I asked, hey, can you guys do this?
We can't, we just can't get it back to where it was.
Cabby for whatever reason,
bled perfectly and was super easy.
But anyway, so the cabrio still has work to do.
Obviously there's no dash in it.
The clutch also catches right on the floor.
So it still has air in there too.
Hydraulics, but yeah, otherwise it feels very OEM.
It feels like a product they could have made and sold,
but didn't.
They should have, I mean, they absolutely should have.
I am incredibly proud of the fact that I started it
and it has no codes, no faults, no check engine light,
no warning lights at all.
Everything works with a couple of exceptions.
The turn signal, if any electrical people are listening.
So when I turn the right turn signal on,
it pops the fuse immediately.
The left works fine.
And so clearly there's a short to ground
and yesterday I went through to try to troubleshoot it,
pull the bulb, did it again.
So I just wanna make sure there wasn't a problem
with the bulb contacting the socket.
Still popped a fuse.
Then I pulled the whole connector popped a fuse.
Then, so those wires that are on the very front of the car
are part of the Cabrio's harness.
And there's a big connector.
So I didn't change that connector.
It's a big, that harness is a big connector
that then connects to the Jetta's harness,
which then goes all the way to the fuse block.
You can ask the previous owner
if he had functional right turns.
I think it did.
I drove it, I'm pretty sure it did.
So I did disconnect the, that harness.
So now the Cabrio harness is disconnected
from the Jetta harness and it still pops,
which means that the fuse-
It's upstream.
Exactly.
The issue is upstream, somewhere in the Jetta harness.
Somewhere in the Jetta harness, most likely.
So there's two places for the Jetta harness.
There is the original Cabrio's wiring
from the turn signal stock to the fuse block
and then the Jetta harness from the fuse block
over to the front of the car.
And I suspect I pinched a wire in the dash somewhere.
So the dash will go in once the turn signals
and the cruise control doesn't work either.
And I don't know why.
I haven't looked.
Did it work before?
It did, on the Cabrio.
But what about the Jetta?
No idea.
But I'll swap over the switches.
So it's a very simple system.
So I did swap over the pedal boxes between the two cars,
which takes the actuator with it.
So I'll take the hydraulic actuator
or the vacuum actuator,
which literally pulls on the gas pedal.
I'll take that from the Cabrio, which I know worked
and the switches, it's two of them,
one for brake, one for clutch, that I knew worked
and we'll see what happens.
I'm not too too concerned about that.
I would say these are small details,
all things considered, considering that the cars had
like a complete heart, lungs, transplant.
Kidneys.
Yeah.
Testicles.
Full system transplant.
How do you feel?
Tired.
Tired, huh?
So last night I drove it to the gas station and back
and then went through, did another bolt check,
torque the wheels again,
just kind of went through everything,
bled the brakes again,
and then thought it was like 10 o'clock
and I'm like, the roads are mostly empty,
it's 12 miles-ish from my shop to my house.
Fuck it.
I have a haggardy roadside.
I mean, just hopefully not needed.
So I drove it home and I was safe.
I'm still a little bit nervous that like,
oh, I forgot, like I'm a steering rack bolt
or something major.
Drove like a million bucks and that was a huge relief,
but I did get home and wondered,
I'd been asked, one of my coworkers asked
how many hours I put into this project
and I guesstimated 60.
You, did you actually track it?
You guesstimated 60 before doing the job?
No, I guesstimated 60 the other day.
And then you tabulated.
And then I tabulated it based on when the,
so I get notifications when the garage door opens,
I have cameras and whatever else.
Plus I took pictures of everything.
I probably have a thousand pictures of the swap.
I went to the shop 15 times.
So 15 days total over a course of like 22 days.
So December 15th was the day I put both cars on the lift.
December, whatever, two days ago was the first time
I drove the car, I don't even, January something.
It started December 31st.
That was like my hard deadline.
Like the car needs to start.
It did.
And then I drove it the next time I came to the shop.
But 15 days, a total of 111 hours in the shop.
But that does include one day I spent seven hours there
and all I did was clean.
Like organize tools, clean the tools,
put them all back away, clean all the parts up,
clean the, like mop the floor for two hours.
And there it includes other things like pushing the Jetta
from my friend's shop over into my shop.
So shop hours and end, by the way,
four trips to machine shops with the rear suspension
to get the bushings pressed in and then going to another,
going to car parts stores and stuff like that.
So it's an 111 hour investment.
And at $200 an hour, which is the prevailing rate
for cheap shops in this area,
that would be $22,000 in labor,
which is terrifying.
So I'm an idiot.
I mean, welcome to my Christmas.
I know I said this before,
but I think I'd rather buy a GTI.
The worst part of that is the engine has to come out.
I wonder also if it would be easier and cheaper
to cut the roof off of a GTI.
I don't, now that it's mostly done,
again, I still need to do another engine swap.
And put the rest of the interior in.
I suspect a six hour day would get that dash back in and done.
I'm the car would be fully back together.
Once I get the, you know, the turn signal stock sorted out,
the turn signal issues sorted out six hours and it's done.
So if somebody wrote you a check for 40 grand,
would you sell it?
Yeah.
Okay.
No, I mean, I don't want to.
It's the car, I haven't gotten it to enjoy it yet.
I didn't do this.
No, I know you're not trying to sell the car anyway.
What did the one that was on bring a trailer
that had been swapped sell for?
There was one that sold in 2023.
And I think it was 13,000 bucks.
It only had 40,000 miles on this car,
71, 72, 73 somewhere in there.
And that car upon looks beautiful
with a shriek intake manifold,
which is probably worth money only,
but upon close inspection really is rough.
Scuffs everywhere, you know,
the door panels were failing, beautiful presenting car,
but this is-
You think corners were cut in the swap on that car?
No way to know.
So one of the reasons why I'd really like to go to the referee
that we talked about last episode,
you know, the Bureau of Automotive Repair,
California's smog enforcement bureau,
and just have this registered as a VR6
is because I just want the stamp of approval.
Like this was done correctly
with absolutely no corners cut.
Like that car, for example,
did not have Mark III VR6 suspension.
It had Corrado,
it has stock Mark III two liter suspension
with Corrado brakes on it.
This has the full late-
This is 100% mechanically a GTI VR6
with now shocks and springs.
OEM sport shocks and springs,
it's the only difference.
And that means subframes, everything went,
everything is VR6, radiator, fans, all of it, wiring, so.
This is as close to a factory GTI,
GTI VR6 Cabrio as you can get, you know.
Good choice on the wheels.
Thank you.
I am.
These are the modular wheels
from like a Wolfsburg edition, Mark IV.
Or Beetle, they come up as Beetle, new Beetle first.
I don't remember seeing them on a Beetle,
but I definitely remember seeing them on Mark IV,
right before they put the crazy body kit on the GLIs,
which was I think 0405 or maybe it was only 05.
The Mark, the UK spec Mark III GTI VR6
came with a one-piece version of these wheels,
very, very similar.
Yeah, they're like BBS RCs or something like that.
They're not RCs, I don't remember what they were,
I looked them up.
But these are the two-piece,
basically the two-piece version of those wheels.
And they're available in the US.
They're 16s, which is...
These are 16s.
Yeah, which is big.
This car came with 14s.
They both came with 14s.
The Mark one's now on 15s, that's on 16s.
16s is the absolute upper limit for me for Mark IIIs.
17s just right, actually.
But, you know, the factory,
the car came on these wheels effectively from the factory,
and so that's, I think it's...
Mark III has never been the most beautiful.
I like it.
GTI, it's handsome-ish.
It's handsome enough, let me say.
I don't think it's a Mark one.
I think the Mark one is a, you know,
De Jaro masterpiece.
But Mark III is a little bit bulbous.
It's a pretty car,
but those are the right wheels,
and that's the right look for it.
And to me, it just pulls together.
You know, it puts smoked taillights on it.
I would like to put smoke taillights.
In the style of GTI.
Smoked...
I'd like to put fog lights up front,
you know, just a little bit of a juge,
but NVR6 badges.
Quite subtle, quite a subtle thing.
So it was more or less same hardness as expected
before embarking.
Okay, and what is the origin of the difficulty?
Mostly, and we talked about this,
I think last week, the interior swap.
The wiring scared me because, you know,
mechanical stuff, if I can see it, I can work on it.
Wiring scares me a little bit more
because it's just not what I do.
And I didn't realize I was gonna have to pull the dash.
I didn't want to fuck with that car's interior
because it was so perfect.
Like I said, everything came out
without we didn't break a single clip.
You know, I have all the spares
and everything from the Jetta.
So that car will go back together
as well as I can put it back together.
Hopefully that means no squeaks and rattles.
You know, hope.
They're a little like isolating washers.
I kept them all, they're all labeled and bagged.
I have, when I do big projects,
I get these 20, like they're horrible freight,
like 20 little bin containers.
Yeah, they're like fishing tackle boxes,
but it's meant for fasteners and stuff like that.
Correct.
And I label them, every little box gets a number,
and then I have a sheet of paper and I write
what is in each box.
And so when I'm done with the project,
if I have like, there are two bolts in box four,
oh, those are the steering rack bolts, oops.
So I have two boxes for these cars,
one for the Jetta, one for the Golf.
And so everything is super organized.
So hopefully it all goes back together
with new foam for the, you know, for the HVAC,
because that all fell apart as soon as you touched it
and stuff like that.
Well, it's aged.
Yeah, it's 30 years old.
And that car's 30 years old.
I think he bought it in February of 96.
So coming up here on 30 years old.
So is it making all your dreams come true?
Not yet.
So here's the thing.
So I told you last week, the engine is trash.
Somebody chewed up.
It just needs a head.
Yeah, it needs a head,
but it also needs a transmission.
Oh, that's fun.
It feels great, right?
Yeah, however.
It makes a weird noise in first gear.
So when you're sort of totally around in first gear,
you get a rrrr coming from it.
That goes away as soon as you're in second or clutch in.
So either a gear is, a tooth is chipped or I don't know.
I don't know, but now I gotta find a fucking transmission too.
Can't tectonics.
Why don't you just rebuild it?
That's probably five times as much as buying a used one.
Oh, I come from a world where it's easier to rebuild things
than replace them.
Oh, really?
I mean,
because you can't find, you know, like go find a,
I don't know, transmission with overdrive for a Ferrari 250.
Okay.
Rebuild the existing one.
What is a rebuilds transmission for a cheap car cost?
For a cheap car?
Yeah.
For like, not a Ferrari,
because Ferrari parts are obviously gonna be.
My 996 got a transmission rebuild
and I think it was 3,800 bucks.
I mean, that would make this 2,500 bucks.
That's not a cheap, well, it's cheap in the market
in terms of, I paid $17,000 for the car.
The first thing I did with it, I backed it,
I didn't back it, I drove it out of the garage
and I did a fucking immediate burnout.
I mean, I did this,
the first thing I did in the Jetta
when I got in was do a burnout, right?
Front wheel drive, the noise this thing makes.
Yeah, is exceptionally magnificent.
I mean, it made me say,
okay, I need this engine in something.
And I was like, it's time for a Eurovan.
Interesting, okay.
That's why I did this.
So I did this because I need the engine.
It's for the noise, yeah.
It's all about the engine.
I mean, the sensible thing to do would be to buy a GTI,
like I have said now for the third time in this episode
is to buy a GTI with this engine in it.
But I thought the Eurovan would be funny
because it's working harder in the Eurovan.
And so you'd just be at wide open throttle
for a higher percentage of the time.
And so I think it would be funny.
In the Eurovan or put one in a van again if it'll fit.
But I really like the noise the engine makes.
And so, you know, I've always kind of harbored.
I don't think it's strong enough desire to act on it,
but a Mark III VR6 GTI has always been something
that's been kind of interesting to me.
And it's now much harder to find that
than it is at 911 or something like that.
So I don't, the combination of like the extent
to which I wanted and how difficult to be defined
a decent car and how that,
the therefore implication
that it's going to be very expensive.
I think if you found a nice one in a good color,
like I think the bright blue and the bright yellow
are both really cool on that car.
I think it would be probably $40,000.
You're kidding.
I mean, I don't know, not actually,
but they sell kind of a lot.
I've been down this rabbit hole before
and they turn up like once every three years
on bring a trailer and then they sell
for like kind of a lot of money
because there's no nice ones around that have survived.
I mean, that makes me feel a little better.
Because I did tell you how many hours
I have in this project.
I'm not going to tell you how many dollars I did.
Now once I'm, once I'm all right.
I mean, you've spent more than $10,000
on swap parts alone, I'm sure.
And not yet.
The exact number is like $8,800 or something like that.
Less, a little less.
Okay.
Like little.
A little less.
With a year than 10%.
Okay.
So $7,500 on parts and 111 hours,
which by the time of things done was called 120 hours.
My time is hours, valueless.
I am valueless as a human being.
And the car itself, yeah.
I mean, this is something you do because you want to.
I mean, the car itself was very inexpensive.
The Jetta was half of very inexpensive.
So I mean, I'm in, you know,
the two cars for a total of
less than $6,000.
Just to acquire the two cars.
And then more than that in parts.
And that is with, by the way, FCP gave me,
I mentioned this, I should,
and I should mention again,
FCP Euro gave me a huge, huge discount.
And it was like, we stand by all VR6 swaps.
How can we help?
Like they're cool guys.
And then the shipping sometimes,
like occasionally when you order FCP,
by the time you're, the sound is done,
of you clicking buy is done,
echoing around your living room,
somebody's throwing a package of parts at you.
And that's pretty impressive.
And then of course,
I bought a bunch of stuff at tectonics tuning.
And tectonics I've mentioned before,
I've been buying parts from tectonics since 1997
for the Scirocco.
They have always been the source,
the best source of advice, the best stuff.
I just, I cannot say nice enough things about tectonics.
And that is before I called them for help on this.
And they're like, we will.
So when I found out the engine was bad,
did I talk about that last week?
That I called Colin and did I tell you that an hour later,
I got a picture of the head being torn down.
Like he's already,
they're already deep into building a motor for me.
And I think they're doing it because they feel bad.
Like, you know, I brought that car to them on the way down.
Like he, Colin was like, oh man, this sucks.
All right, how fast do you need it?
Like this is the kind of person we're dealing with.
It's not some big, you know, ugly.
Oh, how much can we charge you for it?
He's charging me.
And I hope he, I sincerely hope he makes money on it,
but at the price is fair,
but the service and the advice and the knowledge
that they have is just amazing.
It's worth whatever it costs.
Worth whatever it costs.
And again, 1999, he's been, I think, in business
since 91 or something like that.
97 is a long time ago.
And we're talking almost 30 years
that I've been buying from them
and everything I've ever bought was perfect.
And so, how do we get on use?
Oh, money, yeah.
So I bought a ton of stuff from FCP,
a ton of stuff from Tectonics.
And there's a lot of stuff that I haven't installed yet.
So for example, I have not aligned it yet
because I just got it really on the ground yesterday
and the front wheels were towed out severely.
So I put it up on the lift
and brought them closer to street.
But the problem is at full droop, they tow,
one way or another, I was looking at it and decided.
And so it's now once it ground on the ground,
it's towed in slightly.
So the tires are getting chewed up.
So I need to go and just do a sight alignment.
I'm cheaping out and I don't want to pay for an alignment
because I have brand new control arms
and brand new ball joints and brand new bush,
brand new everything.
I mean, the shocks and springs are new
and all the upper shock mounts and strut mounts.
But I still have the rest of the suspension upgrade.
I have brand new rotors and pads to do also.
So this is stuff that just needs to be installed.
Tectonics exhaust for it, a new speed P-flow intake.
The reinforcements from Eurosport
are still to be done.
Diesel Geek company makes a shifter rebuild kit.
So I did that, rebuilt the whole shifter.
But part of that is they do a side to side shifter reduction
kit that just, it's like a short shift kit
but in the left, right dimension.
That has to be done on the transmission.
Didn't notice that before I put the tranny in.
And so now I'll wait till it comes back out
and I'll just do it on the transmission
when I swap the motor.
So there's a, I still have a ton of stuff
that hasn't been even installed on this car yet.
But I thought, well, if I'm gonna be running through ABS
cycle over and over and over again to cycle the pump,
I don't wanna ruin brand new pads and rotors or tires.
So I have the spare wheels and tires and spare those old pads
and I'll warp the shit out of those
and then put good stuff on.
The mission, use case.
How do you anticipate these cars will differ?
The Cabriolet and the Cabrio.
Mark one and Mark three.
There's, it's kind of strange to say this about a golf
but the Mark three is very, especially with the VR six
is a very sober and grown up experience.
It's very sort of, I hope you agree, right?
It's very sort of.
Yeah, it's refined and like it's a,
it feels like it's a whole era newer, which it is.
It's just more modern feeling and less unhinged
and you know, a little bit more put together.
Right.
And the Mark one is a 70s car.
I mean, that's a 1974, effectively.
I mean, and so it is really raw.
You know the model year difference between these cars
is five, six years.
88 to 96.
Oh, I thought that was an 89.
No, 88 to 96.
But yeah, but in terms of engineering,
start of production, 74, 93.
And so, and it feels it.
And there's strangely, according to Motor Week,
I think only a 20% increase in structural rigidity
between from Mark one to Mark three.
But when you drove that car on,
there's not that much weight increase either.
But that car, when it was stock suspension
and 14 inch wheels rode like a fucking Rolls Royce.
Like I, that was the defining characteristic of that car
was that on the highway,
it's got like a fully lined roof.
It was dead quiet.
Civilized.
Yeah, it's done by Karman who also did work for Porsche
and a lot of other convertible conversion stuff.
They were like a coach builder for hire.
And even the Mark one praised and I found a,
I think a car driver, I think it was from 92 or 93
when the Mark one was still in production at 20 years old
and it won this award as like, you know,
for best value and for all convertibles
because it really did compete in terms of noise and finish
with stuff that was twice as expensive,
even though it was an expensive car.
But the Mark three is just a hell of a highway cruiser.
So there, I sort of think of the Mark three as a road trip car
in a way that I don't necessarily.
You have done it in that car before.
Oh, I've taken that car to LA so many times,
Palm Springs, you know, those are four or 500 mile drives,
rallied it.
I've done everything, but put it on a racetrack.
I don't think I've put it on a track.
Autocross.
Did I autocross that car?
Isn't that where that photo of you three-wheeling it came from?
No, that was in a restoration hardware parking lot.
That was to, and that was the other one.
That was my 89, that was the eight valve.
That was to figure out what was happening
because I felt like it was on two wheels in some corners.
And it turns out it was.
The best picture of it is on three, well, 2.75 wheels.
One of the inside front was unloaded.
Turns out that car had, I think the sway bars
had just worn out.
So it was just immediately flopped over on its bump stops
and the bushings were all loose and whatever.
This one is nothing of the sort.
But, you know, this is a sort of nippy, fun,
like experience car and this should be like
cold air conditioning, road trip car, take it anywhere.
You know, they're huge inside.
You can easily fit four big guys in a golf
and that's what I love about it.
So sort of secondary city car, sort of driving around.
I don't want to do rallies in that car.
You don't?
I mean, I have other things that are better.
Beatrice is better suited for that.
But it does have, you know, the Audi brakes.
So I think those brakes are from an A6 or an A8.
They're 288 millimeter.
So those, both of the cars again, got body swaps.
So that is Chiroqua 16 valve underneath.
So that went from, that has 210 millimeter.
So 10.1 inch front vented discs
when originally had 9.4 solids.
This one originally had 10.1 vented, so the same.
And now is 11.3.
So huge front brakes, you know,
just big upgrades on everything.
But I just don't think, you know,
a back roads blasting in a front wheel drive.
I bet it'll be fun.
Oh, I know it'll be fun.
Yeah, so we'll see.
I mean, it also depends on what the state of tune
of the VR6 that tectonics builds me is.
I mean, we'll see.
I bet you'll do it.
You'll at least try it.
Oh, I will.
I mean, I will have the car on a back road without question.
Whether I do a thousand miles on, you know,
a stone chippy road, is a different story.
Yeah, it's a nice original car.
And the car's gorgeous and condition wise.
It's just, you know, it's got a couple little dings
and a couple tiny little stone chips,
but, and one door was painted by a Ferrari shop 20 years ago.
And you can't tell.
Yeah, no, a hell of a experience.
I'm glad I'm through the most of it.
And I really hope the final stuff.
So you would not do it again or would?
Let me enjoy the car and then ask that question.
Yes, right.
So far you have only gotten the squeeze
and you have not gotten the juice yet.
Yeah, squeezing my hands are,
my right hand is so much bigger than my left at the moment.
And it's not muscle, it's just swollen.
Everything, my knees are swollen.
It's been, you know, putting a car back together
is physical labor.
Yeah.
And to pull 111 hours of physical labor
over the course of effectively two and a half weeks
is while working, you know, partially
and while having Christmas stuff happening was a lot.
And the-
Well, you got your one week off a year
and you burned through it on a swap.
That I did, that I did.
I mean, I'm so happy that it's driving.
I just, I'm a little bit disappointed
that I have to pull the motor back out.
Like if this were done and buttoned up
and I didn't have to pull this up frame out
and then swap motor and transmission again,
I might be a little bit less inclined to say
I haven't gotten any juice out of the squeeze yet.
Well, it's perfectly usable as it is if you choose to.
Once the dash is in.
I mean, I used it with a dashboard out.
Okay, once it turns in.
It doesn't have functioning HVAC.
It does.
It all blows out the top, but it's, but it functions.
Well, the labels aren't there.
Oh, well, let's just, I can clip that on.
But I don't want to clip anything on
that I'm going to have to unclip
because I'm afraid I'll break it.
Because there's only so many of those
left in its life.
Left in its life, yeah.
I, yeah.
Well, congratulations.
Thank you.
I would never do that.
Seems miserable.
I think most people wouldn't.
Yeah.
And for good reason.
But I, you know, look,
I'm happy to have the bonding experience
again on another big swap car.
And turns out I didn't know this,
but Mark 3 VR6 is on Hagerty's bull market list this year.
So I guess you didn't know that either.
And I was like, guys, I wish I would have known.
And this is with different departments
within the same organization.
I'm like, I wish I would have known.
I would have done this sooner.
But there's a real reason why these cars are special.
You know, it's a golf.
So that means it's, you know, inherently
in good packaging, whatever, blah, blah, blah.
People complain about the quality of these cars.
Is that right?
Mark 3's?
Yeah.
Yeah, they weren't great.
Really?
So it depends on the car.
My perceived experience,
maybe it's just because it's a low mileage car,
but when I got it, I was like, oh, this is nice.
I like it.
I didn't feel crappy or cheap to me inside at all.
The other weird thing to me was.
So where's that origin of that reputation
for them being?
They're just rattled each other.
First of all, I think everyone abuses them.
They also all have 7 trillion miles.
They're golfs.
So people just buy them and drive the shit out of them.
The Mexican cars.
So this was, this is built in German.
Both of those cars, those cars are built
and my Chirac are all built in the same plant.
Also, flash silver, flash red, go figure.
So they're both built by Carman in Osnopoulos,
which now makes 718.
That is, it's no longer a Carman plant.
It's a Porsche plant.
It's a Porsche, it's a regular Volkswagen plant.
Effectively, the build quality difference
between the German Cabrio and the Mexican Jetta was there.
It wasn't as substantial as I thought it would be.
It's little things, like the way that the wiring harness,
so the wiring, the engine wiring harness.
Oh, so the Jetta that you pulled apart was Mexican built car.
Yes, got it.
Sorry, I skipped over that.
So the way the wiring harness is retained
as it goes across the firewheel is fine on the Jetta,
but it's trimmed so much more nicely on the Cabrio.
The fender liners are a nicer quality material.
They're held in with slightly different clips.
The harnesses are held in with different clips.
Things are just retained a little bit better.
Strangely, the Cabrio, so the Cabrio two liter
had three engine mounts on the subframe,
and then two that mount directly to the body.
The Jetta only has a three with a VR6
with twice the torque or one and a half times the torque.
I wonder if that's,
were they using the engine as a structural member?
I don't know if it's for crash.
Apparently, so there's a transmission mount
that bolts right into the frame rail on the driver side,
and then there's a engine mount on the passenger side
that exists on, for example, on the Mark I's.
Apparently, only the Cabrio, of all the Mark IIIs,
only the Cabrio got that passenger side mount,
which tells me it's there for structure
to sort of box in, I guess, the front end.
Yeah, because it has no roof.
But it's so crazy to me that that two point slow,
which is miserably dog slow and just unresponsive
and didn't sound good, whatever,
but it's defining characteristic
was just how complete, smooth as silk it is.
And it's a little bore, very long stroke,
non-balanced shaft motor.
It should be a coarse motor,
and it's attached to the car in more places as well.
Directly to the body, not a rubber isolated subframe.
And so I just couldn't believe.
Is it cast iron?
Yeah, that's part of it.
But I mean, it's the same effective block as that thing.
You know what that- Which is extremely coarse.
Oh yeah, coarse is the wrong word.
It's present.
If I break your teeth out.
In a smooth way.
It's, yeah, coarse to me is-
Yeah, it's like a massage chair.
It's like not coming apart,
but it is, the vibration is present.
So there are engines to me that are smooth,
that vibrate, but are pleasant.
And then the ones that vibrate that are terrible.
And so like an S14 vibrates in a miserable way,
BMW M3 30 M3, a Nissan VQ, interestingly,
is smooth in the car, but the sound is coarse.
And it's inside the car, sounds rough and unrefined.
Whereas so that I think is one of those,
it's a nice sound, but it will buzz the whole interior apart.
Yeah, I cannot say enough for the intake noise
that the VR6 makes.
It's tremendous, it's, you know,
I like six cylinder engines are my favorite engines.
And I think that's a really great sounding six cylinder.
I think it's the best sounding.
Yeah, I know.
I think it actually beats the Troridino V6,
or is in the same league.
This is like modern and fuel injected.
And so it doesn't have quite the same sort of texture
and there's not that chorus of mechanical noise
to go with it.
And so it's, I think a less complex noise,
but the, if you isolate just the intake noise,
then maybe it is better.
But I think the, if you include the entire experience
of the mechanical stuff of the car
and the, you know, stuff that comes with carburation,
I think the Dino is better.
That's fair point.
But it's a, it's definitely a contender,
certainly for one of the best sounding injected
six cylinder engines.
I think it sounds better than almost every V12.
Yeah, there's a lot of V12s that don't sound that good.
Right, we've talked about that before
and people are continuously surprised,
but when I say that, but most V12s don't.
A lot of times they go in cars that are meant to be refined.
And so they try to get rid of intake noise
and also exhaust noise.
And so, you know, you need intake noise, exhaust noise
and mechanical noise to have a truly great engine sound,
in my opinion, to be a contender for best sounding engine,
you know, you need all of those things.
And there's not that many cars
that have been sort of unchained
in all of those axes simultaneously.
Cause you go too modern and you just,
you lose a lot of that texture and you go too old
and they don't rev.
And so you need to walk the line.
Yeah, I'm trying to think of.
Although Ferrari's old engines would do seven or 8,000 RPM.
They sounded great.
So the carbureted Ferrari V12s we've talked about
are pleasant.
Proper.
They are fuel injected early ones.
Yeah, the CIS cars.
Anything, any Ferrari with CIS doesn't sound good.
Oh, that's good.
So that's really interesting.
So Ferraris with CIS all sound like shit.
And yet the Cabriolet with CIS sounds magnificent.
I don't know if it's the CIS that causes the change
as much as a sort of host of other changes
that happened at the same time
in terms of refining the cars.
You know, we did have a BBI
that really fills the exhaust system on it
and it sounded amazing.
I mean, I'll try and find a video clip of it,
but it was really, really raunchy sounding.
And that was all exhaust though, but yeah.
Can you get intake noise out of the CIS injected for us?
I don't think I have ever experienced it personally.
Yeah, so the way CIS works is it uses a plate
that is physically pulled either up or down,
depending on which version of it it is,
with the intake air.
And that plate really acts as a muffler for intake noise.
And so the reason why ITBs sound so good,
especially if they're open, right,
with a little tiny filter or no filter at all,
is you're hearing the air getting sucked directly in
and you don't have this complex track.
So most CIS...
The CIS things always have this really convoluted
intake track.
And it's full of metal tubes.
It's not like a plastic tube or something too.
So like the intake manifolds are all of these metal...
Yeah, the manifold sometimes.
But that one, for example, pulls air in the Cabriolet,
the Mach 1, pulls air in from underneath,
pulls, it's an updraft CIS.
So it moves the plate up,
but either way the plate's blocking some of the sound.
From there into a 90 degree bend,
so it's a 90 degree bend into a rubber bellows
that then goes over into a manifold,
like a collector that's aluminum, plenum,
that then has four runners that also goes all the way forward
and makes a 180 down into the...
I mean, it's a horribly convoluted intake track.
And that's very representative of CIS.
But it sounds like the intake noise
that thing makes is the best sound it makes.
It sounds like an S14.
So we don't know what we're talking about.
And also, hold on, also 2.316.
Yeah.
So that's another one that's just dominated by intake noise.
And it's CIS.
So this has been always one of the biggest mysteries
of the world is why is it that some of the CIS stuff
was very little of the CIS stuff
had intake noise come through.
And some of it just was muffled to the point of misery.
I don't know.
Oh well.
But anyway, apparently I have a theme,
which is...
Motor double body swapping,
cabriolet, Volkswagen's.
This I think makes five cars
that I have with motor swaps in them,
which is probably a problem.
Why?
They're a lot of work.
Motor swaps are a lot of work.
Well, they're all done now.
No.
This one's got another one and the Rover's not back yet.
So that's another.
That's not a motor swap.
Motor was out, completely built.
And then put back in.
Built to different specs and put back in.
It's the same motor that you would put back in.
It's not a swap.
It's a motor rebuild.
Okay. Anything, yeah, fair enough.
Yeah, no, but all of them, I mean, yeah, that's too many.
Too many.
I consider anything that had an engine out
and if the engine was a part into its component parts,
it's a swap.
But that's not true.
I mean, if you took the engine out of your Ferrari
and had it rebuilt, it wouldn't be a swap.
Okay, fair point.
Anyway, you have enough swaps.
I look forward to seeing this car continue to develop.
Please don't ever put in, take an air box on it.
It sounds really amazing right now.
It's not good.
It doesn't get much quieter.
Don't worry.
Okay, good.
Great.
Well, thank you for...
Keep up the good work.
No.
I hope you make it to the end.
Of what?
The sorting and refining process.
It'll get there one way or another.
It'll get there.
In some months.
What I really need to do is clean up the shop
because now I need to get all of my cars back in there.
And right now it's just consumed with
boxes.
Cabriol parts and dirt and filth and fluids.
Yeah.
Good luck.
Thank you.
So we'll see you guys next week.
Plan?
We're doing this?
Yeah.
Okay, great.
See you next week.
About this episode
Jason shares his experience with the VR6-swapped MK3 Cabrio, detailing the challenges and triumphs of getting the project car to a drivable state. The episode dives into the intricacies of the swap process, including wiring issues, brake bleeding troubles, and the quirks of VW ownership. Jason and Derek discuss the differences between the MK1 and MK3 models, the unique characteristics of the VR6 engine, and the emotional connection to their cars. The conversation is filled with humor, technical insights, and a bit of nostalgia for the VW community.
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The day has come… Jason’s VR6 swap on his Mk3 Volkswagen Cabrio is finally on the road!
….well, sort of. With some frustrating snafus along the way, there’s still plenty of work left to be done. But not enough to prevent a first shakedown (and burnout, of course) from happening with the existing stock 12-valve VR6 before it gets replaced by a built motor from Techtonics Tuning.
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Derek and Jason begin today’s episode with a recap of the swap progress so far - in a matter of weeks, Jason’s 1996 Volkswagen Cabrio went from being gutless, to gutted, to glorious - receiving not just an engine swap, but also a full subframe and suspension swap from a VR6 Jetta as well. To top it off, Jason mounted period correct BBS RX multi-piece wheels that really tie everything in together. If Volkswagen had made a true Mk3 GTI Cabriolet, this is about as close as you could get!
After discussing hours and dollars spent on the project, Derek circles back on other cars that sound better or worse than a VR6. The Ferrari 512BB comes to mind, even being a Bosch CIS-equipped car. Amongst other CIS cars, Jason also discusses the rich induction sounds of his other cars - including his Mercedes-Benz 2.3-16 Cosworth and Mk1 Volkswagen Cabriolet. And of course, it’s not a Carmudgeon Show without critically blasting other lesser-sounding cars - in this case, the S14 in the E30 BMW M3 and all Nissan VQ engines.
Was all the fuss worth it? You’ll have to watch (or listen) and find out!
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