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Ford Model T
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Toyota Corolla
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Infiniti QX80
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Infiniti G35
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Nissan Z
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BMW 3 Series
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Infiniti G37
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Ford Mustang
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Mercury Villager
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Honda Odyssey
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Cadillac El
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Landau Roof
A Landau Roof is a special type of roof covering made of vinyl that makes cars look more luxurious. It's often padded and can have designs on it.
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Asteroof
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C3
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Bring A Trailer
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ASC
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Cupra Born
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Cadillac Broham
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Bugatti Turbiana
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Mercedes-Benz E 63 S
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Chevrolet Suburban
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Volkswagen Golf R
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Dodge Viper GTS
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Mazda Miata
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Volkswagen Golf
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Rivian
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Porsche 911 GT3
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Ford GT
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Ford Mustang GT500
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All right, folks on today's episode of the podcast, my pal, George Notaris, AKA Motoman is in studio. He's my cigar buddy actually more than my car buddy, but it's relaunching the YouTube channel. And we're talking about it. In fact, we get a little inside baseball on this one with how YouTube channels work. So if you're into the process of content, content creation and an insideery YouTube stuff, there's a lot. Plus Pebble Beach, GTT.
The three's the cool stuff we have been driving and a lot more. It's good to have him in studio. Motoman is here. It's the smoking tire podcast. Let's go. Hi, everybody. Smoking tire podcasts. We're rolling. George Notaris Motoman. We just rolled right into it. Yeah, we were talking about feet on tables and we still are. He at George hasn't been to the current studio. He last podcasted with us at the dentist office, which was crazy. I feel like that was back when the model T came out.
We moved here in 2020. Yeah, in five years. Matter of fact, September 18th, two days ago was the five year anniversary of West Side Collector Car Storage.
Well, it's good to see you again. Yeah, you too. Even though I'm in the scenes, technically, I've seen the place before. You've seen me, seen the place, but now you're in the studio in front of the microphone. Thank you for having me. And thank you for coming. Very good to see you. Yeah, and you sent me, you sent me like a fucking agenda like I gave a shit.
He was like, he was like, here's some things. I think we should cover. And I was like, well, um, delete.
Then I said it to you again and added more to the way I didn't. And I wrote back like, we're good, bro, I think that's literally
earlier. That was exactly the email we could show it to your audience right now. This is my second show today, the show before with Nicole Johnson, who we get ready. Just a fucking, have you met Nicole?
No. She, YouTuber, off-roader, transitioning to on-roader. Yeah, from Nevada. And she's a wonderful woman that is just made of liquid energy poured into a bag that shaped like a woman.
I mean, just just like, it happens to go off-road. She's a driver. She's a driver and a presenter, but she's just like made of rocket fuel.
Have you noticed that in the YouTube world, there is some people know where, oh, yeah, I don't know, sorry. I'm actually telling people my name now.
And your lower third, did you not use your like last name? For the longest time, I didn't use it my actual given name. I used the Motoman name or Motoman TV name.
But then over years, it was like the worst kept secret. Everyone knew my name. And on camera, like Bob Lutz would say, hi, George. And I just got to the point. I'm like, no, I think I'd rather use
Oh, you wouldn't even use your first name. I wouldn't use it was just by its Motoman. Well, I wouldn't refer to myself as Motoman. I'm not like Carl Malone. Well,
Carl Malone wants this and Carl Malone wants that. It would be great if you went from not referring to yourself at all to
referring to yourself in the third person. I'd be like, well, I took a course. I'm not that much of a douchebag. My confidence is a little different.
So the genre of offers huge. Did you do so many crazy? Like you and I, if we look at like the funnel of search traffic for cars, there's like new cars.
There's like classic cars. And then there's race cars. Yeah, however off road is like this. But it's over here. It's not really too shall cross.
Absolutely. And it's, it's, you have to like be in it, right? Like when I do, I don't know about you, but when I do an off-road video, it doesn't do well.
People don't come to me for that. Oh, you, it's kind of like it's the same thing. So I am a pilot. Yes, I own an airplane. I've been shooting in a
hangar for like eight years recreationally. All you talk about is airplanes. Absolutely. Yes. And if I, well, I talk about cigars, too, right?
What's in the case? Oh, that's a gift for later. Oh, I'm not going to give this right now. We will have to stop. Oh, absolutely. I didn't come to talk to you. I came to have cigars.
The conversations. If I do it, I did this amazing airplane video. So all my buddies, you came to the hangar. You saw that I've got all these buddies have got the warbirds. And we fly
in formation. So like, it's pretty hardcore. These are the guys that are flying over the Rolls-Balls. Those are my buddies. I have flown over the Rolls-Balls.
If you live in Los Angeles, I mean, this is a little inside baseball. Maybe they go to other cities as well. They do.
But like most, you know, holidays, figure go up all the way to Central Coast and all the way out to Phoenix and all the way out to Nevada. This is the one team that does it.
It's five, six planes in formation. There's 14 guys on the team. I've only ever used five or six planes in information. But I did one episode. Is there a name of their like of the club Tiger Squadron Tiger Squadron?
Tiger Squadron. If you want to hire a Tiger Squadron for your event, Tiger Squadron.
It's a hard event, matter of fact, you can. That's it Tiger Squadron. That's us.
Tiger Squadron. So we did this epic tour. We flew all the way to Oshkosh. We went to, you know, the flying things in these things.
We flew this fucking thing to Oshkosh. Yes. How long does that take?
Well, we did it only a couple hours flying a day because what we did is we flew from here to tell you ride.
Stayed overnight two days and tell your eyes. This is like this is like the next level of gumball.
Absolutely. This is like people like, oh, gumball, that's for poor people.
Colorado. Green.
We refer to ourselves as pilots. Thank you very much.
You ain't shit unless you're going to tell your ride in a P-50.
And then we went, is that what that is?
You know, that, that is called a Nansheng CJ6A. It is a military trainer from the early 60s.
That particular delivery is an Air Force, actually, a Navy delivery and it is owned by a Dutch guy.
And that's, that is the one, the very plane that I flew across the country in.
Then we went to, we went to Kansas City. Never been to Kansas City.
We went there, a buddy of ours has this amazing classic car collection and boats.
So we drive classic cars for two days, go on the boats, and then you know how, I mean, most people wouldn't know this.
But, control their space. Like, you're not going to go and fly over LAX or JFK.
You can't do this. Yes. Yes.
However, the, the tower at Kansas City International caught wind of these six warbirds
and you're like, we would like you to buzz the tower.
Like, please, like, have sex with my girlfriend kind of thing.
That's about to say. That's exactly what I'd say.
I'd like to introduce you to my wife.
And let me video it.
Because that's what happened. So we've got six warbirds.
I'd like to have, I'd like to have a cup of coffee ready.
So that when you buzz the tower, I can spill it all over my face.
Like a solution.
So we're officially earning our explicit rating right now.
So we buzzed the tower. People at Kansas City are like, what the hell is going on?
This isn't like the commercial airport.
Yeah. Like the wreck and the regular air.
Yes. Imagine like flying over something to size of like Phoenix Airport.
That's the size.
So half the people would be like, sick.
And they'll have to be like, this is why I'm fucking late to Denver.
Oh, they thought it was the end of times.
So then we press on and we go to Ashka.
So that took me like a week.
Yeah.
I did this amazing video.
You got to see it. It's awesome.
I probably got like 1500 views.
It did. It got nothing.
Yeah. Yeah.
But like a Toyota like Corolla gets 250,000 views.
Yeah, man.
I mean, look, if you were a photographer,
the weddings in bar mitzvahs is what pays your mortgage, baby.
Any of the fucking art you're shooting on the weekend.
What the point is, the reason why I bring it up is go back to like,
I do off-road videos.
The only off-road video I ever did that did well,
I jumped a QX80.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Well, that worked out well.
Yeah, break the car.
Break the car.
That's what I mean.
And the manufacturers going back to the, here's my wife, meet my wife, please.
The manufacturer said, if you get hit that going about 30 miles an hour,
you'll like what will happen.
That's literally what they said at the proven ground.
And then they went, see, you hit it at 37.
And that's, you know, you've now exploded the thing.
No, they took me out to dinner and celebrate it.
And then they said, would you like to meet my wife?
She's in room 312.
I can't say that she's roll good hours.
You want to stay at Sun Devils and I am the Sun Devils.
And we can't say what the car was.
We can. It was an infinity.
USA, USA, it was at their proven ground.
Arizona.
Oh, listen, if it's, yeah, of course, in Finn, you can fit in an EPR person
would let you fuck that wife.
They said something about the car.
Actually, this was the engineers.
The PR person didn't know anything about it.
But the PR person was in on the gag after he loved it after the fact the PR
person was in the closet.
Actually, he was.
That's what he really has taken.
I feel like we're back at the air.
All right, let's say something nice.
Did you hear infinity's bringing back the G 35 effectively?
I don't know if it's the moniker per se, but the fast,
a stick shift, a stick shift car.
I think that's great.
I think that's great, too.
Do you remember?
Do you remember where you were?
Do you remember where you were?
The moment the 2005 G 35 coupe with the Ford wheels and the wall exhaust came out?
Game changer, dude.
I was on the subway.
I was living in New York City at the time.
Game changer.
Did you like that car?
Fuck yeah.
The first G 35 coupe, that shit was fire in O5, dude.
It was an amazing car to drive, but I still would have chosen the Z.
Oh, I wouldn't have, but I didn't like how they looked,
and also I was too tall for them.
But I really thought that coupe with the specifically with the forged wheel option,
I thought that was a gorgeous car, and man, everybody in Westchester wanted them shit.
Where I lived, you could not be a guido in high school between the ages of 16 and 18
and not be all dead.
Dead!
I needed a G 35 coupe, you're like, it was all of them.
I feel like it, I was, as a matter of fact, I was just in Westchester,
not but 36 hours ago.
Doing what?
We went to the bridge.
Oh yeah.
And then we went up to that.
That's not Westchester.
No, that's the Hamptons, yeah.
We got to talk about that.
Amazing shit.
What the fuck is going on over there?
Because I had about 12 people email me, be like, why are you not at the bridge?
I'm like, why should I be at the bridge?
Johnny and I had cigar at the bridge, but you didn't.
Okay, cool.
Let me fucking spend $1500 on plane tickets and then drive three hours of the goddamn Hamptons.
That was cigar with you, which we could apparently do right here in my office.
But it's worth it.
This way we get to go to the highest point.
I mean, look, it's nice, but like, do I, the highest point in Sag Harbor?
Yeah.
Oh, that's, yeah, that's like basically like Sag, let me go to the highest point in Cleveland.
I know it sounds like a joke, but it's, it's this golf course that sits like, again, highest point,
really in Hamptons.
So you're looking down on Sag Harbor Bay.
Beautiful setup.
Cool.
And we'll get to that.
Okay, where were we?
OG 35s.
I was driving around Westchester.
Everyone still has BMWs.
Um, yeah, no now.
Yeah, now they do.
Now they do.
I'm talking about 05 in 05, the G 35 was a legitimate three series competitor and beat the
three series in many comparisons.
Absolutely.
I got to tell you, I started doing this and that's when there was a G 37.
So there was like, oh, nine you and I started around the same time.
Yeah.
And I was, I was smitten with a G 37.
I really liked the way it looked.
I love the way it drove.
And of course, you keep on mentioning the sound.
The sound's amazing.
The sound is the most iconic sound that you can make.
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Now, how do you know?
Is this a rumor you've heard or did someone confirm this with you?
No, there's a new story about it.
This is that's the shit right there.
Oh, what did I just do?
I don't know what I just did.
We're looking at the highest point and say, I just did the thing where I made the fuck in there.
Sorry about that, folks.
I made the screen go away because I'm a moron.
But it doesn't look like much today, man.
But when that car came out, it was fucking banging.
I disagree with you.
I think that looks like it's a classic design.
You look at the daylight opening.
Sure.
I may not be today.
I may be in a little harsh there.
It is still a good looking car.
I think it's the only thing I never liked about that car are those headlights.
That's it.
The vertical headlight.
Yeah, never liked the headlights.
You don't like it when the headlight crests the top of the fender.
You know what this reminds me of?
Remember the labyrinth from the 80s?
I know I'm dating myself here.
Well, the labyrinth straight blues.
No, labyrinth straight blues.
No, no, no.
It had the tail lamp.
Excuse me, the turn signal above the headlamps.
Oh, right.
And I just can't get past that.
Labyrinth also had the blinker stock was on the binicle, not on the column.
Oh, yes.
Oh, yes.
That's a weird fucking blinker.
I'm glad that didn't stick.
Weird, weird setup.
Dude, my fucking punk rock communist girlfriend in high school drove the barren.
And it was called like Sally or some shit.
You know, it was the most like Catholic school punk rock communist mobile ever.
Yeah.
Fun memories of her.
I was like literally just talking two shows ago about how they changed the rules at her Catholic school
to not allow boys before a certain time of day, because I would show up in my camd Mustang
and just fucking idle outside while they were trying to finish classes.
Was this post mercury villager?
Yes.
The villager was first.
All other cars are post villager.
Yes.
But still, fun memories.
And people do occasionally, someone sent me a really clean nautical villager
recently that I almost bought.
But it was like far as fucking.
Are you really going to buy one?
No, I'm not like actively shopping one.
But it was like $1,500.
Like for $1,500, I'll buy it as a goof.
I wish you had a place to stay.
It was like $40,000.
No, no, no.
It was like 40,000 miles.
And it was $1,500.
Oh, so it was kind of like new in the wrapper.
It was as a goof.
It would have been awesome.
Do you know how hard it is to find a nautical villager that isn't fucked?
They're really rare.
I can't say that I've ever had a hand corn for any kind of minivan let alone.
Well, I shamelessly love minivans.
I had an O9 Odyssey that was an incredible vehicle.
Like I truly incredible vehicle that I loved everything about.
Do you know what I love my delicate?
It's about that.
When I was first on your podcast and like...
I probably had just bought it.
You had just gotten it and you were going on and on about how much you love minivans.
And I thought you were crazy.
I got to turn this off.
Turn that fucking thing off.
Yeah, well that hasn't changed.
I still love minivans.
I rent minivans when I travel even if I don't totally need them.
So I think we all have these guilty pleasures.
Like for me, it's a 1979 to 1985 Cadillac El Dorado.
Like I'm going to buy one.
They're really hard to find.
They decided.
I'm making it difficult on myself because I want the one my aunt had.
This is mine.
This is a specific color combo.
What are we talking about?
It's not just...
I can be flexible in the color.
It just has to have a contrast.
But the thing that I'm looking for is no Landau Roof.
Right.
No vinyl, but it's got to have the factory Asteroof.
What's Asteroof?
The sunroof.
Oh, the sunroof.
They call it a sunroof, but metal.
No.
Asteroof means it was glass.
No, no, no.
Yes.
Okay.
So moonroof.
Moonroof.
But metal roof.
Not Landau.
Not Landau.
Yeah, yeah.
That is the car I am looking for.
Is it possible?
I've never...
I'm sure it is.
This is going to seem...
If anyone who's ever done body work is probably going to roll their eyes on his hands.
Can you unland down one?
Yes, you can.
But you have to paint what's under there.
You have to paint basically the whole car because you got to match the other day.
But it is possible.
It's a metal...
It's just a regular metal roof under that.
Yes.
The vast majority of him came with a Landau Roof.
Very few of him had the Asteroof because it was such an expensive option.
It was something like five or eight percent of the base price of the car.
It was super expensive.
I bet.
Well, that glass was probably very novel.
Yes.
It was one of the setups where you had the glass.
You had this like leading edge around the edge where it was plastic.
And then you had the sunshade.
Yeah.
It looks so great in the car.
I bet.
Like it's porn for me.
Sure.
I mean, I can show you.
Is it one of those things where if it breaks, it's like $3,000.
Yeah, the whole headliner.
And if that plastic lip around the glass comes back, it's super hard to find a new...
Yeah.
Everything is brittle on the car.
Which Cadillac exactly is this?
This is the 79 to 85 El Dorado.
Okay.
And it's significant for...
I would say one reason aside from my ang Christine.
Yeah.
It's significant because it was the last car under Bill Mitchell's design at General Motors.
Okay.
And you know, Bill Mitchell, if you look at the span of what he impacted at General Motors,
you're talking C3s to this thing.
You know, he changed General Motors.
These are...
That's a fact.
That's fat Elvis.
No, I don't want the facts.
No, it's 79.
Here's the thing.
Oh, that's it.
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah.
Now, granted, that's no contrast.
That's silver on gray.
Oh, it's just silver on red.
That's got some contrast.
I mean, just as a...
You just pulled up one without the land outroof.
Yeah.
There it is.
I would totally rock that.
Silver red is pretty good.
I would totally rock this car.
This fucking, I'd put that on hydraulic.
Everything with you on it.
I slam on that.
No, hydraulics.
For this, this is hydraulics.
14,000 miles.
That's a nice car.
That's a nice car.
That's a pretty nice car.
If that car had a sunroof, we'd call this guy right now.
Well, this is from 2023.
I guess it's not still there.
But we know we're...
I know exactly.
I want to hear...
Get this.
So this is my porn at night.
This is what I watch at night.
And I found on Bring A Trailer.
They made it convertible.
8485.
It was a cut job by ASC.
Sure.
So it didn't...
Wasn't born convertible.
But it was a factory convertible.
Yeah.
And...
They're weird.
They're weird.
I don't like the way they look.
I like this.
I don't want one.
Which is the fucking dopest Cadillac of the 80s.
I'll get mine.
You get yours and we'll cruise in boats.
No, we'll have cigars and somewhere in the mountains.
I don't want one.
I just...
I love them.
I love it for you.
I love it for you.
I don't want one.
One of the guys, the airport's got one.
I'm shaking there.
Get this crazy collection of cars.
He's got like a 77-in-pal bubble-back coupe.
Oh, I know that.
New in the wrapper like 10,000 miles.
Anyway, the...
Where was I going with this?
Oh, my porn at night.
I'm watching...
I'm going to bring a trailer.
And an 85 burgundy on burgundy.
Terrible color comment.
They only came in burgundy and white.
Burgundy on burgundy.
But I have 5,000 original miles.
New in the wrapper.
It's the gold keys.
The window.
And I'm like,
Oh, my God.
Is that...
Is that considered a Marlow Broham?
Marlow Broham?
Oh, please tell me you've seen the great white hype.
No.
A man of your age.
Man of my age, I have not seen it.
There's a movie.
Yeah.
It's worth explaining this whole thing.
I'm sorry to anyone who's seen it.
There's a movie.
Yeah.
From I think 96,
That fucking holds up.
Called the great white hype.
With Jamie Foxx.
Peter Berg.
It's a Samuel Jackson.
I've seen this back in the day.
It's a boxing movie.
And 96.
Wow, I got that right.
And this...
You want to talk about a movie that holds up.
I never seen this.
Samuel Jackson as a sort of Don King type character.
Yeah.
Damon Wains as a...
Floyd Mayweather type character.
And the Damon Wains boxing character has won a bunch of titles
and is getting lazy and arrogant.
And the Don King character played by Samuel Jackson
wants to set up an easy fight
and positions that boxing is really about race.
And so they find the whitest dude possible.
Peter Berg and they call him Irish Terry.
And he's like,
I'm not Irish.
They go, it's boxing.
It just means you're white.
And Jeff Goldblum pays a PR guy.
And they set up this sort of boxing race war
that is eerily accurate to life even 30 years ago.
So I was just connected to my convertible Cadillac.
Because the character played by Jamie Foxx
drives a used Cadillac brawm
that he refers to as a Merlot Broham.
Now again.
And Jeff Goldblum does not understand what he's saying.
Broham...
I mean, brawm?
He's like, no, brohand.
That's what I'm saying.
And there is a side plot about getting him a new broham.
And so anyway, now that I've explained the joke,
it's no longer funny.
Yes.
But I think the car you're talking about.
The rules of comedy.
I used to explain the joke.
It is not funny.
I explained it.
I hope that it leads someone to go see the fucking movie
because it's hilarious.
But I think you're actually talking about the Merlot Broham
from this film.
Technically, it was the Beerits.
The convertibles were all the Beerits.
Not the Broham.
The Broham was the same.
So it's more, it's more socially acceptable to have the Beerits.
Anyway, I call my boy.
You know Dave Kinney, a taggerty?
Yes, I do.
Okay, Dave's a great guy.
Yeah.
He is literally the guy that writes the book on classic carve.
Yeah, it was called like cars that used to be called cars that matter.
Is it called that still?
No, it's happening now.
It's a day they acquired it from Dave.
But Dave still runs it.
So Dave is the guy.
You'd be nice to him.
And he gets your car value higher.
So I called Dave.
Dave, the appraiser.
He literally is the appraiser.
I'm going to make you, I'm making off your care refuse.
So I called Dave and like, this is what I want.
And it took him like five minutes to get off the floor from laughing.
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It took him like five minutes to get off the floor from laughing.
Yeah.
And then he says you can't pay more than 30 grand.
That's what that car's worth all day long.
30.
Because there's 5,000 original miles.
And everything's important.
We're talking about the 5,000.
And it's a convertible.
Yeah, best one in the world.
So sure enough, I put the bid in for 30 grand.
I'm sitting there.
And I got to say about two hours prior.
I was going to show up in a bro hair.
Yeah.
Guess what it went for.
Tell me it was like 64 grand or something.
No, not that much, but close.
Really?
50?
5,000 miles.
With that kind of miles, it's really the time it would take
you to find another one.
But you can't drive it.
No, 5,000 miles.
You can't drive it.
That's the wrong car for you.
It's the wrong car, exactly.
Buying those, there's a certain type of person that can do
that the miles really, really low.
Chilboots in Chicago.
He's the guy who does that kind of stuff.
He does the concept cars and the low miles cars.
You just, it's, there's like low.
And then there's, it's low miles.
You pay a little bit of a premium for low miles.
But you, you can't pay that kind of money and we, you and I
shouldn't pay that kind of money in order to have a very low mile car
when putting the miles on will drive the value out.
Absolutely.
Like it just the math is bad.
Yeah.
You buy one with 40,000 miles.
I think you're still looks 30.
Let's say if someone was asleep at a switch at 30,
it would have been a nice toy to have for a little bit.
Yeah, yeah.
But it wouldn't have been my driver.
I'm looking for like 50, 60,000 miles.
So I can have some fun with it.
Which even for a car that old, that's not a lot of miles.
Yeah.
And then where am I going to put it?
And I've got.
Don't you have a hanger?
I do have a hanger.
But I've got a cigar lounge on one side and I've got Eva on the other.
And then the plane in the middle.
Yeah.
Okay.
Well, something's got to go.
I made good price for you, my friend.
Good.
Should we talk about your, your all new channel?
Completely YouTube channel.
All right.
So excuse me.
Channel Z.
You decided to shit-can your old channel.
Say goodbye.
It's a very harsh way to put it.
But yes, you can say that.
It's a good word.
Like, I'm enjoying using it.
I picked it up recently.
I'm making a lot of money.
I'm reimagining Motoman TV.
Sure, I worked for singers.
Yeah.
It's still Motoman TV.
Yes.
The old channel is still there.
It is our archive.
But I'll give you the headline of what we did.
And then you can ask questions as to the wise.
Okay.
We ended up moving all the disparate show types
onto their own channels.
So the car reviews, the car stories, anything moving cars,
that moves to MMTV cars.
So everything is still modern TV.
YouTube MMTV car.
That is the official.
That's like the URL, but it's still called Motoman TV cars.
Yeah.
And as you can see, we changed the logo.
I can give you the back story of the colors
and why we did what we did with the logo.
And then as a as a companion to this,
inside the Motoman studio, our podcast,
I started after yours.
I started in 2014 at the Peterson.
And that was on our main channel.
And we were putting hour long episodes
against 20 minute episodes in the algorithm.
It was like, what the hell do I do with this?
Guess what's me and Zach learned six years ago.
Yes.
So move this.
You're over here now.
So now this is a completely separate channel.
So now this is our two homes.
There will be more coming.
We're going to be managing a total of six channels.
So there will be a shorts and eclipse channel
of each one of these main channels.
I strongly recommend.
Tell me.
Pulling those podcasts down off of your other channel
and re-uploading them onto this channel.
We think that would work.
Yes.
You know, the quality is not the same.
Yes.
Even though the like, so these, you know me,
I'm a freak.
You know, we're different about this.
Like I got the fancy cameras.
We're shooting.
This is all shot in 4k.
Those are not shot in 4k.
You think it's going to be a problem?
No.
I think you should tell your audience who will listen.
Like, hey, just say no.
Yes.
In the next three days, I'm going to be uploading, you know,
whatever, 60 episodes.
There, the old show.
We just want everything in the same place.
So ignore your notifications for three days.
Yes.
We're going to do content.
We'll be back.
I mean, it's not, it's not fucking 4k, but it's not like shit.
It's actually not a bad idea.
I like that idea.
I mean, we did that when we made the new channel.
We didn't just start from today on.
We took all the old videos off the old channel
and populated the new channel.
And it doesn't get a ton of traffic.
But taking them off the old channel,
made the old channel do better.
It improved the math on the videos that were made.
See, that was the logic in separating everything out there.
It is, but you're not doing it all the way.
Take the other ones down and re-put them up.
And it'll put everything in the same place.
And those views were, they were there.
It's like it's not like they didn't happen.
Like, it's good.
So it was more SEO food and helping the algorithm to separate it out.
This was the big motivation.
And a funny thing happened.
We messaged to the audience multiple times in video, in posts,
in social posts.
And I think we didn't do a good job of explaining the why.
Like, they knew we were moving.
And as you can see, they moved quickly.
Our numbers are way better than they were on the old channel by doing this.
On the numbers on the new videos.
On the new videos.
Like to give you an idea.
So monetizing a channel.
Whether you have an old channel or not,
you still have to go through the same front door of monetization.
That at fastest usually takes two, three months up to a year.
It took us two and a half days on the podcast channel
and less than two days on the cars channel.
Good.
Bugatti, we chose the Bugatti Turbiana's our first episode.
It took off.
Like, this is a car that's a year old.
And we were, what basically what happened is the algorithm
put us in front of people that never saw us before.
Yeah, so we've been talking about this.
You and I have talked about this because you had the same issue back in 2016 that I had.
I had it harder than you to the point that one of my champions inside of YouTube
who I who shall remain nameless flat out told me you need to get off that channel.
Yeah, like the channel is an anchor.
The channel is a boat anchor.
Yeah, that's exactly what he said.
Yeah.
And I let's just say I can embrace change,
but I'm very slow to embrace this kind of change.
It was hard because I had 270,000 subscribers.
You don't want to give that up.
Yeah.
And I think my audience, many of them are still confused.
And part of the reason why I wanted to come on and talk to you was to kind of talk through it.
But also I'm going to have to message more to the audience.
Like when we put up, we put up that Porsche episode on Saturday.
I'll post it to the old channel and people will come over and watch.
Right.
You should post to some kind of a teaser or something.
But basically the way YouTube works is they need new creators.
Right.
They need constant, a constant influx of new people starting channels.
Right.
Like and they simultaneously know that if you've had a channel and you've been making videos
consistently for 10 years or whatever, you're not fucking going anywhere.
It would take a real big squeeze to get you to fuck off and go back to regular person job.
So they can squeeze a shit out of you in that channel and they know you're not going to leave.
And if you make a new channel, their goal is to give exactly what happened to you.
A huge adrenaline shot of showing that video to new people that don't recognize the channel and don't really care.
They're seeing this video.
YouTube's pushing it because they want you to get that big number and go, yes.
But they don't know you're you.
They don't know that you also have been doing this before.
A huge point here.
I want to say something.
I separated absolutely everything.
Yeah.
Like all new email addresses.
All new email addresses.
I even tried to change the ad sense account.
They want you to change the ad sense account.
Right.
So maybe they kind of know you're you.
But even with a new channel, I think it maybe it doesn't matter within the system.
Please, Mr. YouTube gods.
Don't worry.
Right.
But like, they need a new creator to get hooked with that fucking five dollar rock.
Right.
So you're basically saying that they are the drug dealer and we are the addicts.
Yes.
We are not we're not in the business anymore of making video that our content that our subscribers
are interested in.
Our job is to trick a computer into putting shoving our shit in front of people.
That part I realized the reason here.
The reason it's like when you amass a bunch of subscribers, you get a fucking plaque on
the wall, whatever, the baggage of that.
And I have it too.
Like I should burn my channel to the ground and start a new one.
But like the baggage of it, you know, the brag of it, the outside ad deals, which you probably,
you know, you have to.
Those are based on kind of your subscribers.
But like the number of subscribers you have in 2025 means doesn't mean a fucking mean
thing.
Nothing.
Advertisers aren't looking at your subscribers.
They're looking at the traffic on your last, you know, they're looking at the views, they're
looking at the engagement, the number of comments and the like ratio.
Yeah, they don't.
A lot of my viewers were confused by this.
How could you leave 268,000 subscribers and it means it literally means.
Yeah, it's all ego.
And if you look at the number, we were able to port over 1% in one day on both channels,
which way beyond my wildest expectations.
I mean, look, my guess is after a year, you'll have probably captured 30% of your subscribers
from the other channel.
And in my opinion, those were probably the 30% that were a real people and be still active
and engaged anyway.
The big difference now, I'm getting this like the past two weeks, which is, it's been
two weeks.
I'm getting so many like inbound DMs, comments like, oh my God, this, you know, this guy is
great.
Or oh my God, I've never seen your stuff, how have I never seen your stuff?
Because the, because the, because the fucking program got in the way, the program's been in
the way.
Yeah.
That's why all this is shit now.
It happened to a friend of mine at the same time, spanky Valentine, she's a very talented
singer and she too was based at the YouTube Space LA, which you came visiting me a couple
times across the street here.
And I wish I had use for it.
I have the right to use everything in there.
It hasn't.
They're done.
They shut it down.
Oh, did they?
No more.
They just, now it's a Google office.
Oh, really?
Oh, I didn't even know that.
So she had more so back in the day when this happened to me, it was 140,000 subs.
She had 500,000 subs and reviews went to almost zero.
Yeah.
She was smarter than me.
She did what I'm doing now, like overnight.
And now she's at like two million subs on two channels.
So it was, what did she experience that caused the views to drop off that dramatic thing?
So this was pretty abrupt.
This was, this was right at the same, that ad apocalypse in July of 2016 where everybody
kind of went through the same thing.
Unfortunately, the way it was explained to me, we actually, you and I talked about it,
but way back in the day.
Oh, I'm sure it happened.
I just definitely had a lot of weed, a lot of years, my friend and no hair 2016.
Fuck me.
We've known each other for a long time.
Oh, yeah.
We met at SEMA and I'm trying to remember what year it was as I was driving up here.
By the way, the thing I wanted to tell you when I walked in, I left like an hour to get
here because it's L.A.
I got here in like 30 minutes.
It was no traffic.
Yeah.
No, it's been nice.
Like zero traffic.
It was a rain this morning kept all the fuck heads home.
I was grateful for it.
So I had to sit around.
I was seeing the rain this morning.
I had coffee outside under the eve of my house, the little, the overhang just on the back
of the rain.
Love the rain.
Especially in the kitchen.
Rain, rain into a pool is a really nice.
Did you know that there is a thing where you can go to a pool and it has a cover over
it and you can sit in a storm and you pay to sit in a storm?
I'm sorry, wait.
So you, the pool, so it's like a, imagine.
Like a pool on like the 30th story of a building.
Yeah.
And there's a roof.
And it has an, it's an angle.
It's an angle.
There's no glass at the edge.
And then above it, there is a way for it to rain in the pool.
So you sit there in a storm and you pay for this.
And how is this different than if I just go in my own pool in the rain?
I'm just wondering.
My girlfriend was showing me like her vacation dream thing on Instagram.
She shows me this thing.
I'm like.
That's like, hey, I know what you're doing.
Who's paying for that?
Unless it's like in Dubai and they're literally making the storm.
It's in town.
It's in Dubai.
I don't remember where it is.
Oh, no, it wasn't L.A.
You're paying because we make the weather for you.
We fired missiles into the clouds right above hotel.
It rained just on this pool.
Your accent is very good.
That's just a fart outside of you.
Yeah, I tell everybody to get in pools during storms.
That's a great fucking genius idea.
So Spanky, it happened at the same time for her.
And again, this champion who shall remain nameless, knew us both,
peeled us both off one day and said, you both need to get off your channels.
No, but like what?
Why?
What happened?
Because we were taken and put in a box and they were testing because the YouTube always
screws with the algorithm.
They're always the every three months they're changing something.
And usually if something doesn't work, they're like, okay, we're going to unscrew this
channel.
We're going to unscrew this change.
That never happened for her, me, and a couple of other folks.
You just got like, they just got forgotten about.
It just got left in this box.
So that's, you know what's really funny?
I could see how that could happen.
It's weird that it could happen to, that it would happen to like individual channels.
Like that doesn't make sense.
There must have been a whole fucking folder of channels.
So that was a bucket of channels.
So it wasn't like, we don't like this Greek, it was a bucket of channels because they wanted
to test it.
Yeah, because it's not like the 20s.
They like Greeks now.
It's not.
If you were, if you were a Mexican, it would be a completely different story.
They know that we run the pizza, just even though you think they're called Sal's pizza.
It's really owned by a Greek.
That's really cool.
Oh, I went to Sal's in the Maranek.
It's fabulous, isn't it?
Oh, I always go in it.
So great.
But I'm still team Sunrise and Ryan.
No.
Sal's Maranek is excellent.
No, Sal's.
Listen, Carl always said back in the day, if you go into a pizza place, there's Italians
running that joint.
Get the fuck out and find a pizza place run by some Greeks.
I know I like the guy for a reason.
He was replaced.
Uh, Sunrise.
Sunrise.
Sal's in Maranek, by the way, is an Italian Mafia joint.
Sunrise.
Fucking Greeks.
That's why they've got that second empty, the back of the group.
There's nothing there.
Yeah, yeah.
It was a Mafia joint back in the day it was back in the day it was, yeah, I don't know
about today.
I make no accusations.
Back back in 98, the shit was going down to that joint.
See, this wouldn't happen to the mob.
They would actually just fix things where I didn't want to sit there and like, I didn't
want to say it's the algorithm.
Yeah.
I'm the kind of guy that wants like, you have control of your destiny.
So I'm going to change this, I'm going to change this and I evolve things over time.
And then finally, I'm like, I think I need to change the channel.
I took way too long to make that change.
Sure.
And it was one of these things like, let's, I hired two guys now.
I got, I don't do the editing anymore.
I don't do the shooting anymore.
You can see that in the episodes, even in the way in which we do the design and all that
kind of stuff.
But see if I can, fucking play some of this on mute.
Literally.
Yeah.
Which one should you choose?
Oh, actually, you know, pull up this.
Oh, they, we shot this car.
It's Mark Wahlberg's house.
Is it Mark Wahlberg built this house in Beverly Hills?
Oh, this is the one with the fucking church in the back.
No, there's no church in this one.
No, this one's not the one with the chapel.
It's this house.
Cool.
It only has a four car garage, though.
I'm very disappointed in it.
Go to the Porsche episode.
It's a, it's a cooler opening.
My, my guy did something cool on that.
We're not going to watch your videos on my podcast, George.
I just want to make sure.
I want the view.
I got to pay for the kids.
I need the one.
I need the view.
Yeah.
The, okay.
So the, so you basically, you guys are saying you got that, that you and
many people potentially, even me got stuck in a bucket of shit.
Now, I don't, I think I fucked my own channel by doing the podcast thing at, at a time
when that was, at the worst possible time to do that.
And I just think that it was, it was unable to recover afterwards, but.
Was there a noticeable difference once you moved everything off and it was just cars
on smoking tire?
Or a while, like what's a while, six months?
And then it went back.
Not all the way back, but, but yeah, that mean it just, it once short started becoming
a thing.
Yeah.
And, you know, once, once it really became a, once it fully, fully became about, for
the audience, what's in my feed and not what am I subscribed to?
That was really the, the end of it.
Yeah.
That's one of the big things we're seeing here.
All of, like, look at this.
This thing's done 90,000 views in a week.
Yeah.
And this never would have done that on my old channel.
Yeah.
And it's a year in car.
Yeah.
And, and with 3000 subscribers.
And 349 comments.
I mean, that's, it's, it's good.
I mean, look, so these are all, like my, so to give you an idea, I've got this amazing,
the guy runs my post-production name is Brett.
He is amazing.
And Brett, you know, he was hired to do post-production.
He made this presentation to me.
Like, he put together a PowerPoint.
And basically, his PowerPoint was the channel is what he called it, nerfed.
And I know we've already reimagined the episodes to make them look like this,
make them feel different, look different.
Yeah.
Although it's still the bits that I've done for years.
It's still me, it's still an options game, that kind of stuff.
That's what your learning is.
It doesn't fucking matter what's in the video.
Your, your audience is a piece of software.
It's not people.
This is what, this is what I've learned now over, I want to say, to that, let me step back even further.
January, 2025, I don't know if we discussed this.
Because we, I mean, what the audience says knows, we see each other a lot.
Just you come to my cigar lounge.
I come up here, we have cigars, we have dinner with your wife, it's not work.
And we've talked about this off camera.
And I made the decision last year, I am going to re-imagine my business.
And that meant going dark.
So as of January of 2025, I literally turned it off and hired these two guys,
retooled everything and put the strategy together.
The one thing I didn't take into account that I was still on the fence,
I was like, okay, I should probably move, but I need data.
And Brett put together a presentation on, if we continue down this path,
these are the numbers.
If we go here, these are the numbers, and here's all my supporting evidence.
And it was such a compelling case, I'm like, okay.
So we shut down for another seven weeks, did all this and got ahead.
Now we're like six weeks ahead on both channels.
And I'm grateful to the audience.
Like, well, I should say the computer that's putting me in front of a new audience,
because now the algorithm is finally working.
Well, I will be very interested to see how long the algorithm supports you.
And if you notice how what tracks, what doesn't track,
we know, I know for sure, that the software gives you a big hit on your first video on a new channel.
It does.
Unless that video is like-
We don't know that for certain, actually.
I absolutely do.
If you make a video, a new channel, and you put up a professional-looking video,
and you have enough social media presence where you can get a big, a small amount of traction.
What about the guy walking on the street that wants to start a YouTube channel?
That has nothing.
If you, I think, I don't know about from zero, zero, from zero skill, from zero, anything.
But I know for sure that when people who have a basic knowledge of how to make a video,
and they make a new channel and make their first put their first video up,
that video gets a disproportionately high amount of traffic.
So what I've learned, and you make a good point, because it's true,
has nothing to do with subscribers.
Nothing.
Let me say that again to my audience, has nothing to do with subscribers.
No, and like, doesn't mean there aren't actual real people who do it.
Enjoy your content.
There are.
But like, you're not going to reach them on a level without getting through the fucking
computer first.
That's changed.
That's what changed in 2016.
It went from subscribers, meaning you got a straight pipe to your subscribers, to
now it's an algorithm that's basing it on a like-view ratio, audience retention, all
this stuff.
It's added beyond that where again, the learning here in retooling the episodes, I'm still
the episodes kind of look and feel the same way, they're just much higher quality.
What's different is I focus, when I think about a car I'm going to shoot, the first thing
I think about, the title, the thumbnail, and the first 30 seconds.
Everything is after that.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Absolutely everything else.
Like we knew with that thumbnail, that car was going to be before we went and shot it.
Sure.
We knew what we're going to do for the first 30 seconds.
And that, as a result, the audience retention is up 30% on everything, even on the old
channel actually, because we did nine of the new format episodes on the old channel.
One of them blew up, all did decently, okay.
I bet you could make new thumbnails and create a stinger, a 30, 15 to 30 seconds stinger,
the beginning of your old videos, reupload them to the new channel and trick the algorithm
into not knowing the difference.
Who says I'm not doing that?
You should.
Yeah.
I mean, you probably, you should.
Well, they're starting.
You're not already.
You certainly should.
There's one of those episodes.
We can't do that because the algorithm did show it.
You don't need to do with every, but you should take, you should take, you're certainly
your 30, the top 30, your top, you know, whatever 25% of your videos and, and port them over
with just copying that.
And what was fascinating, it wasn't just this 20 minute episode, which is kind of the sweet
spot for me.
The hour and a half first podcast, is it like 70,000 views on YouTube, hour and a half?
And it's just, it's just, oh, is it the Bob, the, yeah, okay, yeah, uh, I mean, I
mean, Bob, let's before that, and it's only 50, and what about, did you change anything
about the audio feed of the podcast?
Is there an audio only feed is only on YouTube?
Of course.
Absolutely.
And, and is that consistent from before or after?
You didn't change that when you changed the YouTube, right, for the podcast?
They changed, I changed the name.
It's no longer inside the Motoman Studio.
It's Motoman TV podcast, right, but is it an entirely new feed or did you just change
the banner on it?
Oh, no, the old fan.
Well, actually, it's an entirely new feed.
It is.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So, because we want to support video.
Okay.
So, how, how do the numbers on the audio version of that episode compared to the audio
of your career to 70,000, but respectable?
Significantly above what you would have done before?
Because podcast audio feed podcast is non-algorithmic.
I understand.
Yeah.
Right now, it's below what we did before.
Okay.
Because it's a totally new one.
All right.
So, that, that does make sense.
Okay.
So, so you just, yeah, you've just seen the power of the fucking YouTube push.
Yes.
Yeah.
Very nice.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's real.
Where is it, what I really like about podcasting is how much less it relies on that.
You know, we have the real subscribers that get fed everything we make.
And it works.
But I'm glad it's working so far for you.
And I'm really going to be interested to see, you know, not look, not that you don't deserve
the views, not that there aren't, you know, not that all the people that liked, you know,
the 3,000 likes or the comment, not that those aren't like real people.
Just that like the reality of fucking YouTube now and what's so shitty about it is you
have to fucking like figure out how to fucking song and dance a piece of soft dance for
dinner.
Just to get to these.
It's like it's crazy.
It's crazy.
So, when I have to think about thumbnails first.
Yeah.
And in fairness, this is one of these things that I just kind of learned over time and realized
let's, let me evolve some of this stuff and I did on my own, but I realized, and this
is a big thing that I kind of learned from you and some other folks, like you're very
smart about working on your business, not in your business.
I was too much working in my business and as a result, I think that's not true about
me, but okay, go on.
No, you've got Zach to do this.
You got the guys downstairs.
I mean, yes, I mean, I, I went for the compliment, all right, but I went for a very long
time before Zach came on full time.
It was it, it, it, it, doing it all yourself.
Yes.
And that's what I was doing for too long.
Now, this, the shop would not be possible, but now I can think these things through.
Now, instead of pissing on fires all day, I can stop and take a drink of water and
say, what do I want to do with this?
Sure.
Yes.
I, there is something to be said for when you don't have to do everything, you can think
about the things you are doing a lot better.
And I struggle with that a lot every time I have to film a car by myself, which I still
have to film regularly.
And you know, you're, you're trying to crawl all over this hot car to set up the cameras.
You have to also appear on camera 30 seconds after that.
So don't get dirty.
Don't get sweaty.
Don't get out of breath.
You have to remember everything and make sure the audio is good and all the cameras
are running.
It's, it's not impossible and look, people dig ditches for a living.
I'm just saying that there's a reason the fucking actor isn't also the director, isn't
also the sound guy in a movie like there's, because people that are going to be really
good at their jobs, she'll only be doing one of those things.
I would be interested to see and I think I'm getting some of that feedback with some
of the new people watching.
I feel like it's going to sound ridiculous.
I wasn't having fun with it for like three or four years, I genuinely wasn't enjoying
what I was doing.
Now I enjoy it again.
Good.
It's a huge difference.
It's like, I feel like this is like a toy every morning I come and
kind of see the comments and interacting with the folks again.
And not that I don't love the guys who are like, I've got this, I got a group of folks
who have been loyal folks for years.
I got Amro and Saudi Arabia, I got Havi in Spain, I got this guy in Cal, get this, you
want to hear something funny?
So I, you know I'm very involved in my church.
I do.
I invite you every year to the Greek Festival, you never come.
This year, another record year, we had 12,000 people, we made like 600 grand at the crazy
deal.
Yes, you don't even have time for me.
I need you to come.
You have 5,000, that 5,999 bread.
It's the best kind of fundraiser because we have fun.
So this is what's so fascinating about this, I'm trying to lose my, lose my trying to
thought of where I was going with the, the, the festival side of it, I don't know, I just
had a brain fart.
You invite me to the Greek Festival.
You're involved in your church.
Evolved in the church.
Where was I going with this?
I don't know.
Okay, I'll come back to it.
Let's go to the people because there are the people have something to say.
All right.
That's what I do.
I inspire you by talking about something else about the person.
So get this.
You know, this is, these are the kind of viewers I've got.
I got this one guy.
His name is David.
I'm not going to use his last name because I don't, I don't want to, people, I don't
want to get him out there.
But this guy's been watching for a solid like 8, 10 years.
He's big.
He's got an E 63 S wagon.
He's got an Aston Martin.
Runs the cars and coffee out of the England empire.
Sometimes every year to that Greek festival makes a donation to the church brings me a
box of cigars.
That's awesome.
Don't abandon him.
Make sure he knows about new channels.
And that's why we get.
Make sure he knows about the new channels.
I'm sure.
Anyway, that's my point.
Those whatever 3600 people that showed up on day one, that's your, though, that's the
one percent of your, your hard core, those are your, those are your day one people.
We have, when we did, when we started the Patreon, yeah.
We had, we had a, one of those and we made the new podcast channel.
We had the, it's the same, the one to two percent, your most hard core, they'll follow
you into the grave.
Yeah.
So the point was, I still love those guys.
Love having those conversations, but now to see new people come in and have passionate
conversation.
It's great.
Good.
Good.
Good.
Go, go fucking like and subscribe, people.
We've got, I'm going to pull that up.
We've got Motomand TV cars.
And then we've got Motomand TV podcast.
Motomand TV podcast.
I just had to make sure I had the fucking website up, Bob Lutz interview, it was a great
time.
That was a great time.
Now, 70 fucking K.
And then we've got.
Oh, you want to hear some fun with that one?
Uh-huh.
So I was up in Michigan for the, the annual Bob Boniface cars of my yard party.
This is all like the key people shape in the car world at every car company, not just GM.
They bring the rule is you got to bring your own personal car and you park it in this
guy's backyard.
You got to wake her back yard and Detroit, suburban Detroit.
And you just sit there and you drink beer and you bullshit and you have white castle.
Well, now it's pizza, white castle is too low brow for the crew now.
So I was there for that.
Reach out to Bob.
Bob and I get together every year and we have cigars and I'm like, hey, Bob, you want to
do another shoot?
It's like, absolutely.
So I'm all excited to shoot with Bob having shot with Bob in a couple of years.
I'm getting ready that morning.
I'm in the shower.
My back gives out.
I had to crawl on all fours to get the hell out of the shower.
I'm crawling out to this golf R that I was driving could barely get in the car.
I drive over to his place.
Bob Lutz, 93 years old, is walking circles around.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I could barely, if you look at the episode, you see, I don't move at all because my back
was an epic pain the entire time and he's just sitting there having us a car having a
great afternoon.
That's great.
I remember I met Dick Van Dyke once and I was having back pain at the time and he was
like 92.
Yeah.
And he literally like tap danced on the picnic table that we were sitting at.
It was like a man wrote a book boy, always keep moving.
Yeah.
That's a secret.
And then we shot in front of his, he owns Viper, GTS Coupe, 0-0-2, Vin number two.
That's a good car.
Yeah.
Every time I ever, once a year or so, I think I would like a Viper and then I sit in one
and I go, nope, let's go to the people, patreon.com slash the Smoking Tire podcast is how you
ask us questions for the show, it's where you would normally catch the live stream.
Sorry, Zach's gone.
I can only handle three jobs at once, can't do four.
And how you get questions.
Do you have questions?
Yeah.
Oh, we do have questions.
It's how you get the show early, it's how you get the show without ads, it's how you
get extra show and it's how you get exclusive access to steal that idea from you.
But patreon, it's not my idea.
Patreon is good.
Patreon is incredibly, the only reason we are able to continue doing this pot program is
because of patreon.
It is on our roadmap, I will say that.
We, we, about two months ago, patreon now brings in more revenue than advertising.
What?
Like hold on a minute.
Let's speak raw dollars.
Every month or the, as you sell out so the podcast on the podcast, the as I read plus
ad sense, patreon is more than all of that together now.
I gotta go off my ass.
Yes.
I got that.
One percent.
This is, if someone, people ask all the time, the by far, any plan on patreon doesn't
need to be the 20 bucks a month.
Even the fucking $4 joint, you are approximately 1000x more valuable than any other listener.
If I, if I'm selling you ads, if you're, if you're sitting through every ad on every
YouTube video versus just giving us $4 a month, you're at least 1000x more valuable
as listener.
We're gonna have 1000x more valuable as listener.
Anyway, and then we get to answer your questions on the show.
Let's see, okay, all thrust, no vector says, I've got a golfer, but I drove an ND3 Miata
and I'm considering getting rid of the golfer for the Miata for a daily.
The golf is close to needing new tires and coming up on a 60,000 mile service.
Do you think if I do those items, would I get the money out of it if I sold the car
at auction, or at trade, or how do I get rid of the golf to maximize what you get rid
of it?
I would say try to trade it in as is, don't you, you never fucking service a car to trade
it in.
Try to trade it in as is, see what they give you for it.
Then look at cars and bids and bring a trailer sold golf bars.
The ones where they sell and see like close to yours find a comp, like what does it go
for and then figure out how much are the tires and how much are the, is the end.
My guess is it's probably worth it to do the end, the service, but not the tires if you're
going to sell it at auction.
Well, it depends on the miles.
If it's 6k miles.
6k miles.
And what year is it?
It doesn't say.
Okay, so let's say 60k is low miles, I would do the tires if you're selling it at auction.
If you are not selling it at auction, I wouldn't do any of it.
Yeah.
Yeah, no, no, if you're trading it in, don't do shit because a golf bar is the kind of
a car.
Again, let's, let's say it's a seven-year-old, eight-year-old golf bar.
It's low miles.
If that's the case, then what I would do is I would do all of it, get the pictures professionally
taken and the car is going to do well at auction.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, it does.
If it's a, it's a two-years-old with 60k, trade it in, fucking dump it.
If it's eight-years-old with 60k, service new tires, a good detail in photos, and you're
going to do well.
By the way, the new golf bar, the 8.5 golf bar, that's what I had in Michigan when I couldn't
drive.
Or the walk.
They change the verbrary seats.
It's not the usual beautiful tartan-like in my car.
No tartan?
What does it know?
It's like a modern tartan that looks like it has a surfboard that goes through it.
It's terrible.
Oh, bomber.
Please change that, Volkswagen.
Bomber.
Jews control the weather tech.
Which is...
Is that you?
You guys have the question?
No, that's the username.
That's the first name.
That's the username.
Yeah.
We encourage, you know, edgy.
Oh, this is on Patreon.
Patreon.
These are Patreon.
Jews control the weather tech.
The name of this Patreon user.
You know what I respect for the craziness of this car.
Yeah.
I like this car.
Sailing question.
Have we seen the new Benito first 30?
Does he know I was a sailor?
He doesn't know you were a sailor, but I haven't seen the new Benito first 30.
Let's take a look at it.
Let's take a look at it.
I do like Benito's in general.
Nice looking boat.
It's got a tiller open transom.
Let's look in the interior.
Oh, wow.
Decent looking v-birth.
Looks like a six footer can stand up in that thing.
I like what they're doing with...
Uh-oh.
What's happened here?
I like what they're doing with the interior.
It's a nice looking boat.
I will tell you, it doesn't have that very trademark Benito look to it though.
It looks like they've knocked off a J-boat but without...
Yeah.
It looks like a J-105 but without the mouse print a little bit.
It's missing the true Benito windows off to the side.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
That's what's meant.
There was...
We stayed in SAG Harbor and there was a...
God, I had to have about a six footer Benito.
That's what it was.
It looks nice.
It looks nice going looking the other way.
Standing at the front, looking at the back.
Yeah, that's good looking.
It looks...
So these...
Benito is a pretty...
It's...
Mass market by yacht standards.
A lot of the charter and rental boats are these Benito's.
But the newest...
They are made well.
I mean, they're...
They're built really well.
One of these guys, one of those pilots has a Benito as well.
Yeah.
Oh.
I got to get this so you'll appreciate this.
I went to the...
As I told you, went to bridge.
And of course, you know, we go to the different dinners.
And they sat us down next to one of the sponsors
who runs this boat company.
It's kind of like the share thing you have in the share of the boats.
But it's not like you where you run the boat.
You get...
It's like a 46 or 48-foot boat.
And you get a captain.
And you pay one price and it...
They give you...
You have unlimited days.
But here's the thing that's unique about it.
The boats are like birds.
They migrate from the north to the south.
So they have the boats, a pool of them in Nantucket,
Boston, Hampton, Chicago, Great Lakes.
And then they move them down to South Carolina,
Florida and the Virgin Islands.
Every year, they back and forth.
And here's the thing, they're like, sold out.
Like they have too many members and not enough boats.
They're trying to build the boats faster.
The company's like 10 years old.
What's the name of it again?
Doug and Evans, I think, or...
I'm sorry.
Super cool guy.
Used to be a Volvo guy, by the way.
Loves old Volvo station wagons, now drives a Rivian.
We've just reserved a 50-foot catamaran
in the British Virgin Islands for March.
March?
Yeah.
Wow.
Yeah, for my wife and I...
Is the whole family?
It's me and my wife, Zach and Sarah, my buddy Tim,
and my sister-in-law, Jillian.
Awesome.
It's four cabins, four-state rooms, big boat.
Nice.
So, I captain, because we don't need a captain,
and my sister-in-law, Jillian, is a professional grade chef.
She runs the galley.
I run the fucking boat, and it's like cheap.
Like, shockingly cheap.
Well, you listen, you're talking 10 days on a boat.
It's a big boat.
But with eight people, it gets small quick.
We all have to audition everybody.
But people have to approve.
You know, my buddy wants to bring his dating a new person.
Yeah.
And we went last time, and he was single.
Now he's got a new person, so we need to audition her.
So, dinners.
Yeah.
Oh, I get it.
I get it.
You can't go.
I don't understand.
But Jews control the weather text.
It's under the impression that this is a foiling boat,
but I don't see any evidence that this is a foiling boat.
This looks like a regular boat.
I don't see any foils.
Off the back.
That's a rudder.
That's not the rudder.
That is a rudder.
This is 100% a fucking rudder.
It's dual rudder.
It has dual rudders.
It's a tiller with dual rudders.
No, it's not a foiling boat.
It looks nice, but it's not a foiling boat.
I gotta tell you, the two-tone, that's pretty cool.
I do like the two-tone.
I do like the two-tone.
Yeah.
I love a light blue hull.
Oh, you love it.
Love it.
That's what this...
What's the name?
Like, Evans, Doug, and Evans.
All their poles are blue.
And they make their own boats.
That's not right.
Doug, Doug and...
Doug, that ain't right.
I don't know what it is, bro.
They're sailboats?
They're not sailboats.
They're powerboats.
Evans, Evans, and Suns.
Doug, right?
No, no.
Doug, right.
Doug, right, powerboats is like fucking...
They're based in New England.
Evans boats?
I don't know, dude.
I should've came over there.
You should've been more fucking prepared, man.
Oh, wait, Doug Evans?
No.
That's a guy.
No, I don't know, man.
Maybe the last name is Doug or something.
I don't know, man.
We'll figure it out.
I don't know.
So you can put it in the meta.
Johnny, Evie, Gearberman.
George, if you sold your GT3, what would you trade it for?
You know what?
I have a vision.
If I could do this,
I would want to own a GTD for two years.
Mm-hmm.
I could see that.
Yeah.
But I want to go back into a GT3 after.
I bet the GTD after...
You drove it, right?
You drive it yet?
I am.
It's real good.
It's a good time.
It's enormous, but other than being enormous,
it's absolutely fabulous.
I was a huge fan of the also Canadian Ford GT.
Yeah.
And that is why I'm interested in...
I actually love the way it looks.
I love it in the burgundy.
I've ordered them the research with the people
that kind of know the market.
And the people I trust are telling me that it will follow
the GT3 RS market.
So I...
I wouldn't...
I think it's very expensive for what it is.
Extremely expensive.
But I wouldn't feel like I'd be losing money.
You know, it's $400,000.
It's Ford.
Really expensive, but it's also...
I think pretty unique in the market.
There really isn't anything that drives like that.
Is it that different?
Yes.
Yes.
Give me three reasons why it's that different.
It's currently the only really track-focused
front-engine rear-drive car on the market right now.
Does it feel like a front-mid-engine kind of deal?
It's not that it feels front-mid-engine necessarily,
but the 50-50 weight distribution
is crucial to how nice it handles.
Yes.
Absolutely beautifully.
It takes curbs in a way that other cars
up to and including the GT3 RS do not take curbs.
It takes curbs much better than a GT3 RS, in my opinion.
That's quite a statement.
In my opinion, it does.
So now you've made it more interesting to me.
It's also more practical because it has seats that fold
and you can put shit behind the seats.
We can do that now with a GT3 and a touring.
They do that now.
Look at the 992.2, but a GT3 RS, you cannot.
You will have to ideally wait for the next one.
We haven't seen the 2 GT3 RS.
We have not, but we can assume it will have the folding bucket seats
like all of them.
They only make one bucket seat.
So anyway, I think the GTD is extremely unique
in the marketplace and I think there are enough
disproportionately wealthy Mustang enthusiasts
to support it being valuable for a long time.
It will be sold out and I believe it will continue
to increase in value.
I don't think it will do what the GT did.
Like the 17 to 20 GT went after the first two years.
Yeah.
You were making a million dollars on that car,
but now they're like 800, 900 grand.
Maybe 1-1-2 for the heritage delivery,
where previously a heritage liver did 1-5-1-6.
And that was a $600,000 car.
Sure.
I mean, I think it's stupid that they were able to flip
for so much and I don't think it's a million-dollar driving experience.
It isn't.
In fact, I drove one this past year after driving one back in the day
and my opinion doesn't really hold up.
But the point is, I think they've made a business case
with that car where you can feel safe saying,
yeah, I think it's too much money for a Mustang,
but I think it's money in the bank.
Yeah, I think most people are confident
that they will get their money out of it eventually.
If you really want to return your investment,
you buy a 79-cat like all the road.
But it doesn't feel that different
unless until you start to push it a little bit.
Driving on a highway.
Yeah, driving on a highway,
it's better than like a dark horse,
but it kind of resembles a GT500 from a year or two ago.
Does it do the GT3 trick,
whether it's a touring or a wind car?
I am of the belief,
and I know I sound biased because I am an owner.
But I feel that a GT3
is a more supple ride quality experience around town
because of that suspension,
meaning it doesn't beat you up.
It's unexpected in that.
It's a better ride quality
than the regular 911.
It's not, though.
I think it is.
It's definitely fucking hot.
There's no way.
No.
No.
Okay.
It has a stiffer springs.
It has lower ride.
It has bigger wheels and lower profile tires.
It is a...
No, it's not.
Totally disagree with you on this.
They're not.
I'm talking about...
The ST might be...
It's dark.
I'm talking around town.
Right now, I'm driving this,
the new, the DOT 2S.
Yeah.
And I can go back to back
between my car and this car.
And for a daily,
I would rather my car.
100%.
Now, they can end up because I'm biased.
The GT3 test cars I drove before,
before the updated ST shed,
were very dirty.
Interesting.
And I didn't like that.
Oh, the steering was dirty.
The steering was dirty.
I'm talking about a ride quality.
Oh, I don't really separate the two
because they're both fucking annoying.
I put them both in the box of annoying.
Yeah, tell me how you really feel.
No, the box of annoying
is what keeps me from wanting
to daily drive certain cars.
Yeah, that's all.
I don't know.
Do you daily,
you're a spider?
My spider?
Yeah.
No.
My spider has 6600 miles on it after two years.
No, not about the same.
My, my fucking spider has about
a 300 pound fucking clutch on it.
It's a full weight clutch
to hold that power.
So there's just no chance.
I've been daling the manks.
I love that thing.
It's the fucking grace.
It was only the only reason I didn't drive it today
because it rained this morning
and I washed it yesterday.
Yeah.
But I've been going back and forth
between the manks and the Vespa.
Nice.
The fucking need nothing else.
It's great.
It's been, I gotta tell you,
it's been beautiful the weather
for the past two, three weeks here.
And everybody is complaining
and I'm saying in a month
that you're gonna be complaining it's cold.
No.
That's what happens in LA.
I like fall very much.
I have a lot of great light coats.
Let's see.
What else do we have here?
Uh, uh, uh, uh.
Interesting.
Uli Kunkel's Autobahn.
Very good.
Got a 67 Austin Healy.
Mostly a race.
It's a driver, not a concourse car.
The intention is to keep it
as a family heirloom.
Uh, the inline six is, uh,
appears to be reaching the end of its life.
Would you, A, invest in a rebuild,
B, swap in some type of V8
or C convert it to electric?
I have a view on this,
on all these types of things.
I am a big believer in your job
as a car guy.
A prudent car guy
is you are managing a fund.
Now, for the avoidance of doubt,
I'm not saying buy cars to make money.
I'm saying buy what you love.
But you want to preserve
as much of the value as possible
so you can continue to play the game.
The idea is you want to level up.
And the best way to do that
with a Healy is to keep it
as original as possible.
I, I kind of agree.
Ignore what I'm doing with my hands, Charlie.
You're buying me a watch.
I know I'm just on the next.
The next fucking thing is what's happening.
The next question.
I'm on the next question.
I just want to have the image ready.
But I,
so the intention is to maintain it
as a family heirloom.
I would say
the first question is,
which one of these three options
do you actually want to drive?
This is what, you know,
do you,
does the idea of a British Roadster EV
is that exciting to you?
Is the idea of putting a V8
into this car exciting to you?
Or is the idea of like
keeping it as it was?
But also like
if the engine sort of is fucked right now,
I think you'd be shocked
at how nice it is
if you really restore it properly.
So like which of those things
is most appealing to you?
This is your money.
You know, there's,
yes, it's a family heirloom.
It has a financial value.
Maybe to somebody else besides yourself.
It has emotional value.
But I would say,
and I rebuild a swap
or an EV conversion.
You're probably talking $40,000, $50,000.
At least,
and there's another piece
that goes into it
because it's British.
And I learned this,
not the hard way,
but I learned this
when I got into the Lotus World.
British cars
are very specific about the way
they're set up
and meadas are the same thing.
You don't want to put
bigger wheels and tires.
You don't want to put
a lot more power
and a car like that
because it disturbs
the dynamics of a car like that.
More than it does like a Camaro.
Sure.
And that's what,
that's the one thing
I would caution
if you did want to spend
$50 grand to repower the car.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Um,
Takafile recently bought
a lower Hyperion GMT watch.
I love it.
I have a photo of it here.
Wondering where it falls
on the tribute homage continuum.
It's undeniably inspired by
the Pepsi GMT,
but I'm telling myself
that it's not a copycat.
Look, I got to say
I don't,
I don't really see this
as a copycat.
I mean, obviously,
it has the Pepsi bezel
which,
look,
at this point,
everybody's done.
I mean,
Tudor and Seiko
and citizen
and like every,
time X.
Everyone's done a fucking Pepsi bezel.
So,
just the presence
of a Pepsi bezel
does not a copycat make.
The date when
those in a different position,
the hands are a different shape.
The,
the case shape is very different.
It's a flat-link bracelet.
Not an oyster bracelet.
There's no crown guards.
I say this is not a homage
or a tribute watch.
I think this is a uniquely
styled watch
that like many other watches
happens to have a Pepsi bezel.
I would agree with that.
Um,
I would,
if it were me,
I would want something
a little bit different.
Like, actually,
you would talk about the Tudors
to do this.
Yeah.
A buddy-minded guy
I went to sales pizza with
in Maroneck.
He has the Tudor version
of this.
Uh-huh.
That's titanium.
Yeah, the Tudor GMT is nice.
Gorgeous.
Yeah, really nice.
And it has a blue face.
Yeah.
I wanted to take it from them.
So, I don't,
I don't know how much this cost.
I think,
let's see.
Like, what are we talking about
on these things?
Oh, your Hyperion GMT.
How much do you cost?
Do we have a price?
We don't have a price.
I guess it's free to do.
Oh, boy.
It must be,
it must be zero.
Come on, man.
No price.
Oh, there's no window
on the back.
No.
Uh, shit.
Oh, here.
$6.99.
Well, it's about a quarter
of the-
Oh.
It's about a quarter to a
sixth of the price of the Tudors.
That's the Tudors.
I mean, that's free.
Yeah.
I mean, for that kind of money,
I think,
I think it is not,
for that kind of money,
a lot of watches
like literal Rolex knockoffs.
This is different in them.
I feel like the market's changed.
And this is-
they know this about you,
but they don't know
that I'm a watch junkie as well.
I feel like the entry point
used to be here.
And now it's kind of
moved up into like the $1,200 range
for something like this.
I'd disagree.
I think, um,
we have a lot of micro brands
and smaller brands now
that are doing a really good job
at the entry level of like
$200 to $1,000.
There's a lot of different stuff.
Some of it is very derivative
of sacos and omegas
and shit like that.
Other things are incredibly
original and artistic.
And, um,
you know,
it's important that those
brands exist.
It's important that not everyone
who wants a cheap watch
only has like two options.
But it's not really about
having a cheap watch.
Like, you and I,
remember, you and I,
I asked you about,
hey, man, where can I get that
saco five with Rabie and Flare?
Yeah.
And I couldn't get it.
And long and short of the story,
I ended up
going to the Geneva Auto Show
on a media trip.
Yeah.
And I searched far and wide
in Doha.
And I ended up going at like
8 p.m. to the distributor
of saco.
Get out of here.
And he ended up pulling two of them
out of a shipping box
that were already sold
because I,
I told him that I
traveled all this way
and I was buying the gift
and I was buying it for
Christmas.
And that was,
that's usually the lie
you have to tell to get a roll
out of the saco.
But it wasn't a lie.
It was the truth.
And I gave the watch to
my nephew and his parents
were like, what are you
doing to earn it?
Why are you giving him this
watch?
Because there it was,
I think I paid 150
bucks for it.
But here there were
two grand.
If you're going on this,
like, you look at certain
colors, they're up to two grand.
Oh, the one that I bought,
yeah, you could still
get an Amazon for like
250, 299.
A saco five with the
Arabian flair.
A black dial,
Arabic numerals.
Yeah.
Yeah, it's like $250
watch.
Yeah, it's like $250.
Maybe if there's some
special colors you can't
get, but the black dial
color, the black dial
basic as shit.
Yeah.
Love that.
And so the reason why I
bring it up.
A watch doesn't need to be
super expensive.
It's, if it's unique.
Sure.
Just like the cars.
Yeah.
Yeah.
You don't buy a car,
you buy a story.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Last one, and then we're
going to ask,
just getting into cigars
and I'm interested in
learning about hand
rolling them as a sort
of zen-like hobby.
Any advice or wisdom
for someone with zero
experience?
It's probably a good
time to bring out the
gift.
Sure.
I got to be honest with you.
I am a cigar guy.
I am a cigar
fissionado.
Yes, we know.
I can't honestly tell you
I know anything about
rolling cigars on my own.
Like I've watched it.
Yeah.
I know a woman to call
here in L.A.
to come to a party
and she will roll cigars
for you.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I've seen that too.
I'll see.
She is also a Bose
girl that rolls cigars.
Yeah.
Yeah.
But I am not the person
that would do that.
However, there is a place
you can go to and
believe it or not,
in Key West, Florida and
they will teach you how to
do this.
Listen, honey,
if you don't want to go to
Key West, YouTube.
You can use YouTube
anything.
Look at this channel right
here.
It looks like
what's the name of this
channel?
I just found this right
now.
I'm not saying the
thing about this.
I don't know how to do
this, I'm not saying
you don't know where you are
out of.
But shout out to him.
How to roll.
Just fucking
mad tutorials, dude.
Mad tutorials.
That's everything.
Yeah.
But like, that.
Wouldn't learn how to
fly an airplane.
I mean, look, I'm not
saying this seems like
super easy, but like.
It seems like there are
resources for you.
I can see this being
very therapeutic.
I bet it is.
This might be a
rat hole I go down and
I might try to...
You don't have to
What are they doing?
No, essentially.
It's like the old parable of the guy from Wall Street
goes on vacation and like rural Mexico
and he sees this guy fishing.
Yeah.
And he says, why don't you get more boat
and you can catch more fish
and then you can get more boats.
And the guy keeps on asking, why?
Why should I get more boats?
So you can have more time to do whatever you want
and he's looking at him,
but I already do what I want.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Exactly.
Yeah.
My good friend, Marty, who exited the rat race
because all he ever wanted to do
was save up enough money to go fishing and scuba diving,
move to Delray Beach and became a fishing and scuba diving guide
and makes fucking 12 dollars a year
and but does the thing he wants to do every single day.
And he lives in a wild hit this again.
He lives in a wonderful Delray Beach is lovely.
I mean, it's, you know, it's Florida,
but it's Florida's great if you're in the water every day.
Yeah.
Last one, everything clean but the ash tray.
Automotive writing question.
20 year, I want to say this is supposed to say
I'm a 20 year old freelancer.
I don't think you're a 20 year veteran freelancer.
20 year freelancer, 20 year old freelancer
who just started an automotive via Jolopnik.
What can I do with...
Like Jolopnik today is still a thing?
I'm pretty sure.
Yeah, it's still a thing.
Yeah, still exists.
I thought it was called the Atopian now.
No, some people from Jolopnik left
and went to start the Atopian.
But there is still a Jolopnik, yes, absolutely.
Is it one of these that has run now
by like an investment funds?
I don't know the exact structure of it,
but like I do know that it exists
and content is put out.
Wow.
Yes, I do.
Okay, well, wish you the best.
Yeah, but question is,
what can I do with that growing portfolio
to basically get more gigs in the automotive space?
There are a number of things you could do there.
The way I, the way I do work for anyone else.
Doing this?
When I first started, I would write
and get my articles on a large men's lifestyle
side called Crave, which now no longer exists.
Yeah, and that was an opportunity for me
to get a lot of reach early.
Like they had huge traffic.
So I could, when I started, I could pick up the phone
and say, hey, can I have a car?
And people would say, yes, because I was with Crave.
But the way I like to answer questions like this
is I like to answer them like, how would I do it?
How would I address the issue?
And the way I did this was I treated it like a business.
Many people who are in this world,
they are in it for, hey, I can drive fancy cars
or I can go travel for free.
You know, they're in it for a certain lifestyle.
If you approach it like a business,
you get up in the morning early,
you have a routine that you start your day
and you spend, I'll say peel off an hour or two
every single day where you're pitching
and people are going to say no.
At some point, you're going to develop 30, 50, 80 outlets.
That's what it takes now to be a freelancer
because you're going to have to find
at least 30 outlets to be able to pitch
to get, say, five stories sold a month.
The freelance sort of like a Tim Stevens.
Yeah, the freelancers that I know who go on press launches
will do the same car for like three or four different outlets
a lot. They will.
Yeah, it's a lot.
They have 30, 40 outlets that can go to.
So the biggest thing I would say to you
is you need to treat it like a business,
but I also, and this is where I think
you and I are both very biased about this,
I wouldn't want to be in the freelance world.
I would want to figure out a way
where you can create your own distribution,
your own content, your own play
where you control your destiny
because with all due respect,
and maybe this is too inside baseball,
the numbers that freelance pays now,
you can't eat.
Yeah, they're not, it's not great.
And also you can never count on the fact
that like the fucking outlet won't go under or whatever.
Who are they won't pay you?
They won't pay you for six months.
Yeah, I mean, I would say the best thing you could do
for yourself is if you have traction
at Jolopnick or whatever,
somehow try to parlay that into your own social media outlets
or website or whatever.
And maybe use that to create your own thing.
And or, like George said, figure out who is the web editor
for various outlets,
and usually you can find that with very basic research.
And don't just send them your portfolio
because they're not gonna come find you.
You have to actually write a story
or something, a cultural criticism
or a non-car review piece and send it in
and go, hey, I'd like to pitch this story
that you've already written
but haven't appeared anywhere yet.
Another big aspect about this
is you have to understand something called
the integrity of your product.
When you're first starting,
you probably do wanna give away a little bit for free.
So you get your name out there
so you can network with the car manufacturers
or whoever you're trying to get access with.
However, there is a point at which you have to say no
to what I call maintain the integrity of your product
where you no longer can give away the content for free
or even at a low rate.
There are unfortunately many freelancers
that are taking like the ones that go on those drives
sometimes make as little as $25.
I mean, that's great.
They're not going to press launch to me
and they make $200.
I mean a lot of outlets are frequently anywhere
between $175 and $500.
And you think about you and I run a business
and you and I have spent a lot of time
talking about this over the years.
You're gonna take me out of the office
for three days.
Yeah, yeah.
What is that worth?
Yeah.
And as a result, it's not about being,
it's not like greedy.
Like this is literally physically
like you have to be somewhere else.
Absolutely.
For this much time, you can't be doing anything else
and then you have to create content from it
after that somehow.
And this, I don't know what is his name,
what's the user name of this guy?
Everything clean but the ash tray.
Everything clean but the ash tray.
Of course, you also wanna smoke cigars
that you're doing this.
That's not a cigar reference.
That's not a cigar reference.
I'm gonna go with cigars.
There's a, there's a,
I understand your reference.
I want you to go, there's a homework for George
between now and next time you come on the show,
you need to see the great white hype.
I will.
Start finished.
And you need to stream or download
whatever the song Big Truck Driver by Mystical.
The Raptor.
Why am I gonna be terrified by that?
That's where everything clean but the ash tray comes from.
I guarantee you that my boxing gym places every day
and I just don't know that.
You would know it.
It's a car guy song.
It's an ode to this dude's like big escalade on rims.
Yes.
That's always clean except for the ash tray
because he's rolling around fucking puff and blunts.
Okay, now I'm gonna listen to him.
Yeah, Mystical, Big Truck Driver, great beat too.
So this guy is everything but the ash tray.
Yes.
The point I was trying to get across to this guy was,
I want you to make sure you understand
that yes, it's cool to drive these cars,
but your job is you have to put food on the table.
You have 20.
Yeah.
And at some point you got to figure out
where you're going with this.
You got to ask yourself,
what don't want to be when I grow up?
A lot of people don't ask these questions.
Right in the camera.
Hey, hang on, let me give you a solo shot here.
Okay, solo shot here.
Right in the camera.
Yeah, yeah.
So this is, come on dad.
This is my dad even for a dad jacket for you.
I don't have a dad.
This is my advice to someone starting out of 20 years old.
A lot of people in this world
to feel like Matt's an old man as well.
I am.
We were just talking about his 50th birthday.
We're having a hell of a 50th birthday.
That's not for seven years.
But still we're going to talk about it.
Okay.
In all seriousness,
a lot of people in this world,
most of your friends that are 20 years old,
they can sit here and tell you
what they don't want to do.
But maybe 5% of people on this planet
could tell you what they want to do.
You need to be the 5% that needs to figure out
where am I going in this world?
Because we can sit here and say, oh my God,
the days are so long,
and how do I get through my work day of a job that sucks?
But what you don't realize is decades are short.
Like, I met this guy a decade ago
and I feel like I met him yesterday.
Well, you need to make the most of that decade.
Yeah, I mean, and if you're going to,
like the thing about being an automotive journalism,
it's like being a band.
Like, how do you stay successful in a band?
It's like, you have to revenge yourself.
And not break up.
Like, you have to, you know what I mean?
Like someone asked Eddie Vetter,
like, how did you guys like,
how have you guys stay, you know,
been so successful for 35 years?
Like, well, it's, you know,
it's a lot easier if the band doesn't break up,
you know, like, and it's like that.
Like, a lot of the people that I know now
that are like in positions of power at places like Porsche
and, you know, car makers or wherever,
they were like interns when I first started
and we used to party together all the time.
And like, we both just stuck around long enough
to like, you're a somebody and I'm a somebody.
And we got the keys to the kingdom,
but it takes fucking 15 years to do that.
That's patient.
That's in every industry.
Yeah, I would agree.
The other thing that's really important in this industry
that is very hard for people to do
and Matt is probably the best at this
and that is being honest to your audience.
I'm also very honest.
You are very good at somebody and we get in trouble for it.
There are certain car manufacturers that basically say,
we are not giving you a car because you were too honest
and the reality of the situation is,
your customer is the viewer, not the car manufacturer.
Now, that doesn't mean you can go on camera
and say, this is a pile of shit and walk off camera.
There's only one person that can do that
and he got away with it for many years
and that owns a farm, okay?
But the reality is you need to be honest
and learn how to do with something called the shit sandwich.
I love this about the Infinity G37.
I do not like the lights, but I do like the engine.
There you go.
That's called the shit sandwich.
You need to get good at the shit sandwich and be honest.
Pro-grade advice right there.
Let's make sure everybody knows where to find you,
the new YouTube channel, Zah,
our Moto Man TV.
Everything is gonna be MMTV and then on your car.
On your Instagram.
MMTV cars and then MMTV podcast.
So all the socials meaning Facebook, Instagram and X,
those are it's Moto Man TV and the main cars channel
where you see moving cars, MMTV cars
and then the main podcast channel MMTV podcast.
Where you see barely moving people.
And you can still type in Moto Man TV
and you'll find it.
They'll find it.
They'll find you down at the cigar lounge.
Can we do the word to the gifts now?
Oh yeah, sure.
What about you?
I want you something special.
Back from New York.
Because we are both from New York
and I love to know this.
Do you remember Nat Sherman?
Yes.
So the gentleman that used to run Nat Sherman
before Marboro drove it into the ground,
has reissued the cigars.
And so this used to be their Habano Nat Sherman
that is now issued as a metropolitan.
I mean, okay.
So I mean, I know Habano is like, it's Cuban.
Well, think of it in terms of like the level of...
Oh, that was great.
Oh, it's magnificent.
As the level of spice, think you got the natural,
then you've got the Maduro,
which is on the other end of the spectrum.
This is right down the middle.
But I will tell you that one has a little bit more kick
than most Habano.
Well, see, what else you got?
Yes, well, these are my father judges.
I figured if we're going to have scars,
I brought one for myself too.
This smells great.
Thank you very much.
I still, you continue to try to teach me about cigars.
I don't know shit,
but you know I like a mild to medium cigar
of about this length.
Yes.
And that's pretty much all I can tell you
about the kind of cigars I like.
But every year now, because, you know,
because we had our cigar day on our day off
on the Ionic 5N launch.
We did.
And found it amazing.
Well, hellems are hell, hellems.
Hell, hellems, hellems.
The one on the main street in Monterey has been open.
I went there for Pebble Beach this year.
I did too, I got, I did too.
I went, I didn't hang out,
but I got, I go on Wednesday and then get my cigars
for the week.
Super nice car.
The fire pits, it's Spanish or me.
Well, and we did smoke at the Spanish Bay together.
Although it was on Sunday night,
but Sunday night, I was still tied up.
Sunday night, I fucking had to go get a car breakdown.
Yeah, I did.
Thank you to our patrons for asking such good questions.
Thank you to anyone George brought by for stopping in.
I hope you stick around for a while.
And I am now going to be gone on the road for two weeks.
This episode is going to air week after next,
because we're getting ahead,
because I'm going to be on the road for two weeks.
So I'll see you with road stories
from road and track experiences
and performance car of the year.
Oh, so this is all road and track stuff.
It's all road and track.
Two week road trip for road and track.
See, this goes back to your guy, the asterisk guy.
You networked your way in there
and you knew people from back in the day.
Yeah, I also got famous first on YouTube.
That was, it's easy to get a writing job
if you get famous first doing something else.
That's very, very easy actually.
I don't recommend trying that.
It's not a great secure strategy,
but should you find yourself in that position?
Know that writing for a small amount of money awaits.
Thanks, everybody.
We'll see you next time.
About this episode
George Notaras, known as MotoMan, joins the Smoking Tire Podcast to discuss his relaunch of the MotoMan TV YouTube channel and the intricacies of automotive content creation. The conversation dives into the challenges of maintaining audience engagement, the evolution of YouTube algorithms, and the importance of adapting to changes in the digital landscape. They also share personal anecdotes about cars, cigars, and the automotive industry, while reflecting on the journey of becoming successful in automotive journalism. Insights on the future of content creation and the significance of authenticity in storytelling are also highlighted.
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Original notes
George Notaras is an automotive journalist who has been in the YouTube game for over a decade. On this episode we talk about the challengers faced by creators new and old (er, experienced), why his channel moved, algorithms, GT3 ownership, and more.
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Recorded September 19, 2025
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