GETTING TO KNOW BTCC ROOKIE, CHARLES RAINFORD

All right, hello, and welcome back to the British Touring Club podcast.

Today, we have a very special guest, as some of you may already see.

A rookie to this year's grid, but already taking his maiden career pole position and a maiden

victory and currently leads the Jacksears championship.

It is, of course, Charles Rankford.

Hello.

How are you?

Hello, yeah.

I'm a great listener of this show.

So have you had me on?

Oh, the pleasure is all yours.

You are the first official driver special to be on the show.

Really?

Amazing.

You are the first full-on.

Oh, well, I'm honored, though.

Thank you, guys.

If you don't win the Jacksears, that is a trophy.

That's a trophy in itself.

That's the highlight of my year so far.

Absolutely.

Now, we've got many questions for you today, some about your career, time in the BTCC and

before that as well, and getting to know you as a person.

Yeah, amazing.

So I'm sure plenty of analysts want to know what you're like as a person as well.

So we're going to ask some more serious ones and then some more funny ones and ones

like that.

So first of all, congratulations.

You've already achieved your first win, the pole position already this season.

And you're currently topping the Jacksears standings.

Have you already exceeded your expectations for the year or is there still more that you

want?

Yeah, there's still definitely more that we want.

Obviously, I wasn't coming into this championship immediately thinking I'm going to start getting

podiums, winning a race, getting a pole position, especially with pretty nuts, if

I'm honest.

Yeah, absolutely.

But yeah, we've still not quite achieved everything yet.

I've got certain points, Tally, I'd like to hit, qualifying yesterday is not going

to help with that for an 0-4 I own.

But that's fine.

I'm pushing today if I can score, well, the idea initially was 280 points, it's looking

quite tricky now.

But really main goal now is to try and get six in the driver standings.

That'd be really, really good.

That's cool.

Obviously, in today's standards, every driver comes in at age four, basically, you're

similar age to us and kind of got into motorsport quite late in comparison to some of the

drivers.

How was your entry into motorsport?

Was it like for yourself?

Yeah.

So basically, we boom restore classic racing cars as a family business, lower end

stuff, not like your super high net worth individuals.

It's all like MG Midgets, 50s, 60s saloon cars, Group 1 cars, stuff like that.

So some classic touring cars and a few little small sports cars, not like your crazy AC

Cobras and your multi-million pound Ferraris and stuff like that.

You've got some own carbon potential, haven't you?

Yeah.

I work for a classic car dealership.

Oh, very good.

I work for Triumph, mainly.

Amazing.

So yeah, I'm well used to being around classic cars.

Yeah, definitely.

Some of the more modified ones as well, which is really cool.

Yeah, that's it.

Oh, very good.

So basically, we do that as a family business.

As my dad's mechanic, I grew up inside the family business.

Did a very small amount of go-karting, never went racing.

I was quite good in the go-kart, apparently, but I was quite young.

I was cadets.

So I would have been between eight and 10.

Then there was a big gap.

My mum said that basically, karting is too dangerous.

So that's why there was a big gap.

Mum's really different in terms of safety.

My mum's great, but her nickname for my dad is the handbrake.

That's quite entertaining, really.

So yeah, so had a big gap.

The idea was then that she agreed that I could race an MG Midget when I was 16.

So I helped with my first race car with my dad and then started from there, really.

You know, it's like the classic racing.

You only do a race every so often.

It's not like a big championship, like the British during car championship.

So yeah, that's how I got into it, really.

Started racing with some of our customers and all kinds of different things.

And then got the opportunity to career a Cup Great Britain in 2021,

which is when you would have seen me with the King Dick livery.

Yep.

Which I think children like us everywhere.

Suddenly we're very interested in watching the porpoise.

Most definitely.

That's the funny story in itself,

because we weren't actually allowed to technically have the livery.

I think we didn't realise when we rolled up to media day,

because it was kind of hard to find sponsorship,

because I was a no-one.

We were going to do it as a family team.

We didn't have the money to just go and do it.

We needed the sponsorship to be able to do it.

So we managed to find through a customer of ours.

He was good friends with the owner of King Dick Tools,

a chap named Griff, ex motorbike racer,

like proper just old school racing guy, you know?

He loves...

His general road car is a Holden Commodore, you know?

It's mega.

Yeah, it's just awesome.

Yeah, literally, yeah.

So he's a great guy.

And basically we got in contact with him.

He was able to fund the first part of the season.

And then we rolled out with King Dick Tools on the car.

And Porsche said,

you know you've got to pass stuff past us first.

So they were okay with it.

They saw it as a bit of a joke

and they let us run with it.

But yeah, first season was a good one.

It was, yeah.

I've got something so minor as that didn't hold you back

from having that kind of sponsorship.

Porsche were really kind to me the whole time

through my Porsche racing, you know?

Yeah, it's an amazing brand to work with.

It really is.

That championship is definitely, I think, grown

in both talent and popularity in life.

100%.

We've seen some of the drivers now

that have been in it or are in it again.

We've seen journeys racing in this weekend.

For example, you've had Camys in recent years

and Sherwood has been...

Yeah, Camys was back in 21 when I did it.

So that was interesting to race against him.

It was now, it's interesting to see my progression

in terms of how much quicker he was over one lap

but how he'd just completely outdo me in the races.

He'd put the car in a position like,

ah, I didn't know you could do that kind of thing.

And then now actually racing with him

on a level playing field,

you know, we're racing properly.

So it's good to see my progression there as well.

Yeah, absolutely.

And was it always the touring cars

that you wanted to then go into after Porsche

or was it a spare of the moment kind of thing?

Yeah, I mean, with the British Touring Car Championships,

obviously it is in an incredibly cool championship.

And when I first,

when we first announced that we were going to be doing it,

it wasn't the first initial plan.

Basically the initial plan was to go try and do GTs

like a lot of Porsche drivers do.

But the budget is pretty crazy

and I have really good relationship with the guys

and girls at West Surrey.

And then, yeah, the opportunity came up for a seat.

I initially saw it as a side step

to get into popularity

and then move on through to international GTs

and hopefully try and get to WEC is the main goal.

But now I'm here.

I've won a race

and I've got a pole position.

I'm like, I could win this.

So I'll be here for a while now

because this is an amazing championship.

I caught the bug for him.

I have, I absolutely love it.

I watched this championship growing up, you know.

My time was kind of like 06, 09, 010 kind of thing.

Yeah, it was one of what was watching it massively.

We want to jump ahead to a question there.

So who was your here?

Yeah, Colin Turkin too.

Who I see now mostly in most days.

It's amazing.

That's really cool.

Yeah, I literally sit in the truck

and I've got his data in front of me

from the last couple of years.

Oh, okay.

And then I overlay mine at the top

and then it's weird to think

like in some places I'm quicker.

It's like, oh my word.

Like literally,

like I know the cars are a bit different this year

but we're looking at the speed traces

and stuff from last year

compared to this year in like an FP2.

It's like my lap was like mega

and I'm like, put that's Colin Turkin too.

It's just unbelievable.

Yeah, that is really cool

to work with your heroes

and then be able to compare yourself to them.

Yes.

Yeah, that's awesome.

100%.

So we've seen this season

many different drivers grace

and depart the grid unfortunately

due to various reasons

and we are fully aware that sponsorship

is such a big element

to be able to race in the BTCC.

How have you found it

trying to gain sponsorship

and build those relationships

to give confidence to people

to give you that money to go racing?

Yeah, it's really, really tricky.

I'm very lucky

that I have a major sponsor

in Cognition Land and Water.

Richard Hoskin and Suzy Hoskin

like they're amazing to me.

They've been a part of my career

since the end of 22

and they're just so

such a forgiving family

towards me.

It's amazing.

And obviously I've got 10s material as well

but it's a really, really expensive hobby

technically.

We're not getting paid to be here

and it's tricky.

I didn't quite have the full budget this year

so I put my house deposit in.

You have to back yourself.

But I'm lucky in a way

that I also drive a coach

as a daily job.

So I'm a racer

it's pretty much every day

coaching whoever

if they're a very experienced racer

or want to get into racing for the first time

or take your racing license

that kind of thing.

So I meet the right people

a lot of the time

and then end up coaching them

and then something normally happens

on the side of that

is a nice way of doing it.

Because putting a sticker on the car

even in a championship

as big as this

makes absolutely no difference whatsoever.

There needs to be some kind of return investment

and how you capitalise on that return investment

is tricky.

But some drivers are better than others

and I'm kind of somewhere in the middle.

I was stunned by how much

a couple of years ago

just took the drivers to the sponsor week

in quite a bit.

We put the podcast on the helmet

and the cost that came back

sort of made us go

yeah, no.

It's a lot of zeros involved.

A lot of zeros, yeah.

I think my first package starts at five

because it has to

because otherwise it's nothing

like a headlight on my car is £1,100.

I'm trying not running into people.

You said that but yesterday

someone flicked gravel at me

and it did one of my headlights.

I've got that bill next week, people.

And that's the thing is that

I remember largely of Ingram

and the stone through the radio.

Yeah, exactly.

You can drive the perfect race

and be the cleanest

and then a cone goes through the front.

That did no damage.

That was amazing.

No damage at all.

Absolutely hilarious.

That really was.

What is the best part

and the worst part of the weekend?

It's having a bad party

or a bad race out there.

Generally, what's the best part?

Oh, gosh.

I do my race weekend

is a bit different to other people.

Normally it starts

depending on the work schedule

like this one

had to start a little bit late

because I was working away

on Monday, Tuesday.

I was where I was.

Silverstone Monday

and then I was on Tuesday.

I've forgotten now, Goodwood.

So Prep had to start a little bit late.

So we start to prep on Wednesday

and then we were doing

Shakedown on Thursday.

So straight after Shakedown

I came up here

and then just helped the boys

with the flooring out.

We went for dinner, that kind of thing.

Then a Friday is normally

all media in the morning

like we did a commercial

for Optimal.

Optimal premium filters.

It's still in there.

And then, yeah,

then we have our engineering briefing

and that goes through to the evening.

Normally we then go through our trackwalk.

I then record my trackwalk podcast

and then we get through to Saturday morning.

Saturday morning is really, really fun

because there's no pressure driving the car.

You're doing FP1, FP2.

We all want to be at the top.

Of course we do.

But it doesn't matter.

You could try different things

and different lines.

Totally, exactly.

I tried something different in the car

for FP2 at the start

and I hated it.

But at least you do it in a practical way.

You never roll that out and go,

right, never touching that again.

Totally.

Do it.

Exactly.

That was awful not doing that again.

And then, yeah,

there's pressure starts coming and qualifying.

The biggest bit is to get through Q1.

Once you get through Q1,

you can kind of relax a little bit,

especially when you're in that far six.

And then, yeah,

something's always a strange one

because it's the busiest day

in terms of, like,

there's the most amount of people here,

but we have the smallest amount of time

because we've got three races.

We've got still media duties

with engineering briefings afterwards

as well as Q&As and stuff like that

with the hospitality stuff.

Yeah, of course you do.

So, yeah, it's a condensed day.

So, you know about it in the evening

once you get home.

So, obviously, you've come into the BMW

this season.

What are the major differences

that you've seen between that

and racing the Porsche

for the last couple of years?

Oh, gosh, it's how good everyone is.

Like, obviously, we're just saying

about how good the Porsche Championship is,

but it's really hard to overtake

because you get quite a lot of error

washing the cars.

They're big cars, you know.

It's why it's unfortunately

quite processional at times

just because the car's so quick.

You get the error wash

and it's really easy to lock up.

So, it's one of those things.

Whereas with the touring cars,

you know, like today,

like, all right, yes,

I'm really disappointed

starting 15, but I know

I can still have a good day

if I play my cars right

and we get the strategy right

and all these things.

So, it's the racing itself

and how hard it is

generally as a championship.

Like, you've got a fight

for every single position.

Like, it's madness.

And of course,

like the crowds love

you can have a bit more push

and shove, which is

both good and bad.

It's good in terms of

spectating

and it's fun

because, you know,

touch a car a little bit.

It's not the end of the world

as long as you don't take

the mickey with it.

But then the damage bill

comes at the end of the week

and that's not so great.

So, every driver's got

their different limits.

It's all where they'll push

the envelope and where they

won't and obviously that's

totally important.

I think you're right.

You see generally less contact

because consequences are

generally a lot bigger

and bigger crashes

isn't pretty bad.

Yeah.

There's been some big ones

this year, isn't there?

Yeah.

I remember the one at Brands

which went over the

Marshal.

Oh, yeah.

Angus white side.

No.

Yeah.

He still gets big smashes

but it's not necessarily as

big or cashed off

because a Porsche crash.

Totally.

Yeah.

Sorry.

Yeah.

The one that went over the

over it lands in the tree.

Yeah.

That was that was Will Martin

and that was Theo Edgerton

literally giving him the

smallest touches.

Yeah.

And they just flew up.

Boom.

Yeah.

Absolutely.

Yeah.

So it looks quite

it looks quite under control

until it goes wrong.

Yeah.

And then you realize how fast

everyone's going.

Just a NASCAR

so I can do a race around.

I hate it.

It's so loud.

We'll see how we go.

I don't know if I like it.

Yeah.

We'll wait for that for everyone.

Yeah, they're so quick.

They are.

Those Porsches are ridiculously fast.

Yeah.

Lap time wise, they're

near enough equivalent

if not a little bit faster

than these at some places.

Yeah.

Most places to be fair

it's between three

and four seconds sometimes

five is long circuit.

So it's a

in some places like

for instance,

where there's no big

curves that we could take

to try and tidy that

up and get an uptime there.

And then they could be up

to five seconds quicker

on the right day.

Yeah.

They're rapid.

So coming to the season,

who did you

so like pinpoint as

possibly going to be

your biggest rival?

Yeah, I think

in a rookie as well.

So it was really tricky

like firstly,

I wanted to be

best of the rookies.

I think that's happened.

Yeah.

I think

so that's really,

really good.

We see my expectations.

I think now I'd like

to be

the

this year.

I think I would like

to be

the best

second person in the team.

If you know what I mean.

So like Jake is our number

one driver.

He's the quickest.

He's the most experienced.

He's the man.

Yeah.

Exactly.

Jake's the man.

He's been in the sport

a long time as well.

Totally.

But then you've got like

you've got the same

at like virtue with Tom.

Yeah.

Obviously Napa's a bit

of a thing in its own

because all the drivers

are, you know,

really any three of those

can win the championship.

We've seen robots

and take a massive step

up this year.

He's done a lot better

than every other year.

He's done that kind of

like Adam Morgan kind of area.

Yeah.

I'd like to be, you know,

a good solid second

at the moment.

Yeah.

And then, yeah,

if we can get the boys

to do it next year,

then certainly we'd be trying

to kick it from the office

that's hard to contender.

Absolutely.

When you get to a race weekend,

do you have any like

superstitions or rituals?

I know there are lots of

drivers out there

that have to put

their certain gloves

or gloves on a certain way

or their overalls

in a certain order.

Is there anything that

you think goes bad?

They talking to us again.

Exactly.

They go as well.

As long as I listen

on a Thursday

or sometimes a Friday morning,

depending on

when I can listen

to the podcast,

if you guys haven't called me

as Jack Sears winner

for the weekend,

that'd be right.

But, um,

no, you know,

not too superstitious,

if I'm honest,

in terms of like

put my gloves on a certain way

or anything like that.

I get in the car very early

and that's one thing

and then I visualize

what I've got to do

in the car in terms

of the lap,

if it's qualifying

or how to overtake

in the races.

There's no real like

proper superstition so much.

But, yeah,

maybe I should have one.

I've got to help.

I think you've done pretty well

about what you've done.

Although I did find

that actually

a fan at Not Kill

gave me a plastic duck

in my racing suit

and it basically

part of one of the badges

fell off.

So I had to

take it back to the factory

and then they got it

clean for me.

And then yesterday

I found this duck

and I was like,

I was on pole with this duck

so I tried it again.

I didn't work.

I bet it was raining yesterday.

Yeah, that's true.

I thought the rain.

Yeah, the rain

with my name,

Alan Duck,

and he still didn't work out.

It's a joke fault, really.

With the change of regulations

coming in in 2027,

are there any,

and they're

removing the restrictions

on the cars

that teams can use,

are there any brands

or models that you'd like

to see come into the championship?

Oh, that's interesting.

You know,

any manufacturers coming

into the championship

would be fantastic

because it has been

a steady decline

for the last couple of years

when I've been watching

and now that I'm in it,

there's not really many brands,

many manufacturers

really doing this.

So, yeah,

I mean, I would love it

if we could do a two series.

I think that'd be

really, really fun,

short of wheelbase.

There's a special,

there's German one as well

which has,

basically,

a slightly different back axle

and that'd be quite fun

to use in the championship.

It'd also be really fast

which is why I like it.

But yeah,

I'm very excited

about 2027 regs.

As long as I can find

the budget to still be here

at that point,

then yeah,

that'd be really, really cool

to be trying those regs.

It looks really exciting.

I'm certain from a fan's point of view,

stale might be the wrong word,

but certainly to try as you said,

bring more sponsorship,

more manufacturers,

more brands of car in.

The minute is very,

half the grid is

one of three cars,

let's be honest.

Totally.

Yeah, exactly.

I don't know it necessarily though

whether it would change too much

because obviously

you can still use

on the same shells

and it ends up being,

sorry, we have a small cut.

Come on, Jake,

we have raining champion

Jake Gill

on the podcast.

Here we go.

I have legit crushed your car.

You're all good, mate.

So, yeah,

I'm not sure whether

we would see that many cars

initially in 2027 come in

because you can still use

fundamentally a lot

the same shells

and it costs a lot of money

to develop a new car.

I was already asking

we're sorry about

what we might be doing

and they gave me the cost

of what it is

to build a new car

and it's bonkers

because it's so much R&D

and you go to the track,

you don't even know

if it's going to be competitive yet.

So, yeah,

I think we'll see

probably quite a few similar cars

in 2027

but then onwards

we should hope

that you start seeing

some new shells come in.

That's always ways

that the manufacturer will

see the lie of the land

and go, actually,

that looks quite interesting.

Maybe we should think about putting

that in.

Hopefully.

Yeah, that'd be really,

really good if that's how

it works out.

It'd be fantastic.

Absolutely.

So, given that you listen

to the podcast,

when we don't pick you

for a Jack Sears win,

does it spur you on

a little bit more?

No, not really.

Oh, we have Dick Bennett

this morning, Dick.

I said,

you're the real legend around here.

No, not so much.

I always find it

interesting to see

what you guys kind of

come up with,

what cars are going to be good

on what circuits

and that kind of thing.

And normally,

you guys get it pretty right

to be fair.

It's quite interesting

hearing your thoughts.

But, yeah,

not so much.

Yeah,

no,

everything you guys

have said about me

has been very nice

so far,

which is why I contacted you.

I heard you were a few drivers.

That's it.

Yeah, if you haven't already subscribed,

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getting in contact with us.

Or not.

Well, I've certainly

spread the word anyway.

It'd be cool to have more drivers on.

Should we go to the more fun part?

Yeah, go on to the lighter side.

OK, go on, yeah.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

You are a similar age to us.

I know.

Younger.

Yeah, that's it.

I look so young.

Yeah, I know.

You are younger.

I am 27, yeah.

Yeah, you won't hit 30s.

Absolutely.

Obviously, you've said

you've been sort of

watching touring cars since

like the mid-2000s.

Yeah.

If you could build

a BTCC dream team,

so two drivers

and a car from any era,

what would you choose?

Oh, that's so tricky.

Who would you choose?

You know what?

I would go to 2009

with the RAC-sponsored B&W.

Yeah.

Obviously, you've got

to put Colin Tarkington in there.

Yeah.

That's just amazing.

Are we saying

drivers of the period

or any driver we can take?

Same age, same ability now.

Any driver in the driver.

Yeah.

Right, in that case,

I would go for that B&W

with Colin Tarkington

and Andy Preer.

OK.

Because, wow, what a combo.

Yeah.

I would like to see

Preer have more in the

obviously, he's the one

that's in the World Tour

because obviously,

I would like to see

a bit more of him

there.

I think he would have

pretty much cleaned up.

I mean, he is a fantastic

driver.

I've had a really good chat

with him at Goodwood

on the day

and we were both

sharing a car

almost for hot rides

and even though he's

so much older than me,

he's still right on the pace.

I think he was like

10 and a half off me.

I'm like, that is so

quick.

He's unreal.

It's a shame

he didn't get to

see him so much

in this series,

but I think he'll

probably take his

World Tour.

Yeah, exactly.

With no restrictions

on the championship,

we might loosen them a bit.

Which circuit

would you add to the calendar

and why?

Oh, gosh.

It could be

international.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Oh, wow.

Okay.

We're going to get

token permission for this.

We are.

Right.

Okay.

That's interesting.

See, a lot of the major

circuits that people think

of are all big circuits.

You could say

Imola, for instance,

but straight is too long

for us.

So that just wouldn't

be any good at all.

Where would we go?

You know what could

be really fun

is because of

around the LaMambou Gatti

circuit.

Oh, yeah.

That could be quite cool.

Especially with the

massive big curves

through before she's

paying everything.

That could be really,

really interesting.

A little bit more of a

bike circuit, but

it'd be worth a go,

certainly.

We go racing around

Norton and that's

tight enough.

That's true.

Yeah, exactly.

Yeah, that's

very true.

I've gone

Zandvoort personally.

I've done.

See, that's good.

But again,

such a long straight,

we need such a long

sixth gear.

It's not spinning.

It's just like the wind

to power is gone.

That's it.

I missed the

banking of rockiness.

I'd like to have some.

That's it.

Yeah, I know.

I never got to drive

that circuit.

Real shame.

It's such a good

circuit.

Yeah, amazing.

So we know that

you've driven classics

at Goodwood.

What other race cars

do you dream about

driving?

And are there any

specific events like

the Bathurst 1000?

We've seen Matt Neal

go off and do that

before.

Yeah.

That you would like

to drive.

I'm like, okay, what era?

What type?

Single seat?

Are we talking sports car?

Are we talking touring car?

What kind of year span?

Because I'm a

massive, massive,

massive motorsport fan.

Yeah.

I'll get home

from work normally

and then just jump straight

on the simulator.

I just love it.

Not just for driving.

I build models at home.

I love it.

So yeah,

it's tricky.

When you then say

in terms of racing,

if I'm doing well

in this championship,

I feel like I could

probably do okay in most

things.

So I'd like to go try

like V8 Supercars,

a massive one.

Yeah.

You know,

is say like do some GTs

like Bathurst 12 hour.

You know,

that's really cool as well

or some fanatec stuff.

See,

eventually the main goal

was to try and get to

the Warren Jewish Championship

somehow.

So it's

there's so many different

things to go and explore

out there.

But first,

you try and win this.

Absolutely.

So we finish off

some very quick

this or that then.

So the real fun

is five racing,

five normal.

Okay.

We'll start the racing

now.

Oh,

slick.

No matter what

oversteer or understeer.

Oh,

oversteer.

Yeah.

Hate understeer.

I like to flag victory

or a race long battle.

Oh,

I like to flag victory.

Yeah.

If you're in the lead,

I love a massive gap.

It's just nice.

You can just chill

and enjoy it.

Yeah.

Long circuits

or short circuits.

This week,

we're at Donington GP,

which is that longer loop.

Do you prefer the shorter

iterations of circuits

or longer?

That's really tricky.

More out of a long circuit.

Yeah.

So generally,

I tend to do really well

in the long circuits,

but then I've got a pole

and a front row star

around short circuits.

Yeah.

So I prefer a long circuit,

but I seem to be right both,

which is great.

BMW or Porsche?

Oh,

neither give me any money.

So

that's really,

really tricky.

Are we saying race cars

or road cars?

Both.

Okay.

So the way that

Porsche do their cup pyramid

is amazing

versus

BMW's long history

in touring car racing

is amazing.

Like,

I would love nothing more

than to have a go

in a

M,

well,

a E30

M3

Group A car.

Like,

oh, my word.

So, yeah,

if you're talking GTs,

100% Porsche,

because obviously you've got

the full program there.

BMW a little bit as well,

but the way that Porsche

take it from cup onwards

is amazing.

They have to talk to touring

cars.

Got me BMW.

Right.

So,

General Winsor.

So take away on the sofa

or a dinner out.

Oh,

that's tricky.

See,

I like a sparkling wine

and sparkling wine's

really expensive.

Excuse me,

if you go into

the restaurant.

So,

yeah,

take away at home

the girlfriend,

not bad,

nice little bottle

of sparkling wine

or something.

Lovely.

A bit Netflix,

yeah,

exactly.

Cats or dogs?

Oh,

I love both.

Massively love animals,

beach or sightseeing holiday?

Oh,

sightseeing all day.

Cannot sit on the beach.

I'm full on ADHD,

mate.

There is no way

I could be doing that.

Drive

or be driven

outside of races?

Oh,

yeah,

no,

I drive everywhere.

Yeah,

I much prefer it.

I like to be in control

of my own destiny.

Exactly.

Oh,

yeah,

exactly.

Because also as well,

I drive so slowly on the road,

I just stick

bang on the speed limit

everywhere.

And I'm always like

just calm down,

mate,

a little bit.

Use the race car driver.

Yeah,

literally,

yeah.

And finally,

sweet or savory?

Oh,

sweet.

Chocolate is my go-to.

It's my guilty treat,

especially after a big day

of training.

Yeah,

a bit of dark chocolate

after a big training session.

Can't beat it.

The final question was

what's going to be

your guilty pleasure,

whether it be food,

music,

films?

Oh,

gosh,

I love video games

in general.

Yeah,

it doesn't have to be

racing games.

I just love video games.

Terrible Call of Duty

and infinite that.

But like GTA 6,

I'm there with a bit of dark

chocolate.

A week ready to take off.

I think we all have.

I don't think the servers

are going to work.

And finally,

yes,

did you keep the cone

that came for a ride

with you across?

You know what?

I should have done.

I didn't.

I should have done.

So the cone went back

to the workshop.

It didn't take it from

the workshop.

And then it went to

not kill.

It got put down,

and then unfortunately

it went in the bin

and not kill.

And now,

literally what I should have

done,

I didn't even think about it.

It was literally my brother

told me,

why don't you sign it

and give it away?

And I was like,

I didn't even think

someone would want it.

It's weird.

Yeah,

totally.

Like what I should have

done is I've done it

for a raffle for charity

or something.

But it just didn't

even come into my head

because like to me,

I'm just a normal lad.

None of that

even comes in.

It's like still

when people ask me

why don't you sign it?

Well, thank you

ever so much for your sign this

time.

I really, really do appreciate

it.

Thank you.

Best of the day.

A hair down for the rest

of the season.

We sincerely hope to have you

back on the grid

not just next year,

but for many years to come.

Appreciate it.

Thank you.

Lovely.

Thank you.

Lovely.

Thank you.

Lovely.

Holden Commodore

BMW E30

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