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Those small clicks make a huge difference for the show.It’s a fascinating conversation with Hagerty’s John Wiley. It’s 𝘛𝘩𝘢𝘵 𝘊𝘢𝘳 𝘚𝘩𝘰𝘸.Sheffield Watches: sheffieldwatches.com\n"},"annotations":[{"startTime":0.0,"endTime":7.0,"type":"car","title":"Pontiac Aztek","url":"/cars/pontiac/aztek","image":"https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/de/%2701_Pontiac_Aztek_.JPG","quote":"Our 10th prediction of for 2026, that was that Pontiac Aztec will be worth $100,000.","canonicalId":"car:pontiac:aztek","priority":0.5,"confidence":0.9,"source":"hybrid-fuzzy+gpt-4o-mini","data":{"explanation":"The Pontiac Aztek is a mid-size crossover SUV that was produced by General Motors under the Pontiac brand from 2001 to 2005. It is often noted for its unique and polarizing design, which has led to a cult following and increased interest in its value over time.","simplifiedExplanation":"The Pontiac Aztek is a type of SUV made by Pontiac. 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