Happy Hour: SVG Wins Again! Sonoma’s Future, In-Season Challenge & Mark Garrow

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or should I say Amazon that has flow racing so what was on your mind and then what would you think of the race and then the entire event.

I thought the event was fantastic I thought the racetrack was in great shape I was excited to get back to south Boston Virginia where I broadcast some bush series races back in the late 80s around 9091 that kind of thing Tommy Ellis I remember winning

and climbing out of his car and screaming bloody murder about all the cheater cheated up cars in the race and I go like after I went you do know you won right I mean you're supposed to be happy in victory land but I guess that's why they called him terrible Tommy Ellis he had a terrible disposition all the time winner loose

but I was I was certainly happy to be back there I thought the track was fantastic big crowd and great lineup of late models I mean a really all star type deal the number of cars the caliber of the talent.

Everything was winner winner chicken dinner but the race and there was a lot of great racing, most of it for forth on back and you had to kind of watch it a little bit.

And of course it's tough to follow on TV because you have to follow what's on on the TV but as participants there at the racetrack is fans at the racetrack we could kind of look around and see some of that stuff.

But you know when are we going to learn when are we going to learn racing yes is a sport but it's in the entertainment business that race was not entertaining.

Hayden Honeycutt fantastic driver one of the most versatile drivers that on the planet right now right can jump in almost anything and run up front.

So why don't we start him first and drop the green flag lead every lap that's not a race I'm sorry I'm absolutely I mean I don't understand they want to know what's wrong with short track racing down south.

Up north where I grew up we handicapped all the races the fast cars had to go to the back and come to the front and you kind of everything was kind of handicapped and rotated every single week.

You didn't have time trials you know you know how many racetracks all I need for the PR director to do is send me the name of the race.

How many laps and who won the pole right so I can go hey Joe blow won the pole for the you know happy chicken dinner 200 at Hickory Motor Speedway and led every lap to win.

Right or just fill in the blank whatever racetrack down south I've never seen anything like it and if we want to bring back short track racing if we want to really put some sizzle into these late model circuits and the competition the cars are fantastic the teams are absolutely top shelf.

And Kate and Honeycutt this is not to take anything away from him he's a fantastic driver he let all 200 laps the only excitement in the race he started to fade at the end and everybody with 10 laps to go he's going to get him he's going to guess no he's not right and that

kept in the booth I was with the Allen Colicky driver development program we had about 15 people there.

He's going to get him he's got no he's not right.

I mean he just wasn't going to win that race Kate and Honeycutt did a great job but you know what I would think a whole lot more of Kate and Honeycutt winning the pool of winning the pole starting 10th 8th and then going on to win that race as opposed to starting

on the pole and leading every lap you know the only cars the leader ever passed were cars he was laughing.

I'm sorry I'm that is no way to run a short track race whether that's a regular Saturday night or whether that's a series like this triple crown series and again everything was top shelf the track the series the cars the

drivers the fans and it was a successful night but it could have been made a whole lot better if we knuckle down and stop letting the inmates run the asylum putting the fast car up front we don't have pit stops we don't have things to kind of mix things up you know to kind of generate flow forward

to flow back right so you get put the fastest car front if those front two or three cars don't break one of those guys or gals is going to win the race that simple every time every single time and again I emphasize not to take anything away from Kate and

honeycutt or his team they obviously had to get a great job had a great race car and he drove a great race and he had to spend a lot of time finding some pretty heavy traffic you know so my take away is that Mark Garo hates Kate and honeycutt

would have been interesting just because like Trevor Ward was like was coming like you said Landon Pendleton was coming so or even like halfway they all came and took tires there should have been strategy to that like hey you can not take tires and get the lead you know or something like that or

there's nothing there to kind of mix it up there's no strategy involved in the process and quite frankly I want my winner to prove that he was a winning driver by passing for the league right so top eight top 10 top 12 cars you invert them now what you do is that for a big race like that you go out and get a sponsor and you pay somebody $5,000 to win the poll and in a triple crown series like this

you give them extra 10 bonus points for winning the poll you have to give them incentive to win the poll if you're going to invert whether it's 810 or 12 because if not they're going to try to figure out okay if we're going to invert eight how do I be eight and qualify how do I be you know seven that kind of thing

so you incentivize with money and with points when you when it comes to a series somebody winning the poll position and then you send them back somewhere in the pack and make them come up through there and really prove they are the fastest car and the best driver that night

yeah again I love I mean you could not there are so many fans there just absolutely blew my mind it brought me back to the old bush series days when we would blow that place up with fans and we do the same thing down the road at Rougemont and the racing and somebody asked me said wouldn't this be a great racetrack to do a throwback you know O'Reilly auto part series or oh yeah oh yeah

or a craftsman truck series race they said don't you think hickory and south boston would be great places to do it now I'm a fan of hickory but they could never hold it they could never possibly even think about holding that kind of a race south boston could and I think south boston would be a great place to kind of do a throwback race for those series and I think you'd blow the lid off the place you'd have to put in a bunch of temporary grandstands and they have the capacity to do that they've got the parking to do that

and I think they'd be a great place I'm a big fan of south boston I have from the first day I went there back in the 80s and I renewed my love affair had south boston the other night I stood up there and I went you know this is a really cool little short track

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the concessions and different things that you'd have to do it, but it's possible, and it could be done, it would be huge.

The problem is that the TV networks just want to put on a race, so their equipment's all set up at Charlotte Motor Speedway,

so we're just gonna, anything at Charlotte Motor Speedway, we're gonna show going around in circles, they don't want to go up the road,

even though it's 20 miles and reset, and it's expensive, I get it.

But back in the day, when we were doing South Boston with Capital Sports, and I talked them into bankrolling it,

and going to these short tracks, I went to TNN and went like, you need to put these on TV, easy, two cameras up on top, right?

One ISO camera and one PIC camera, four cameras, well there it is, I had three fingers up, I had to count better, four cameras,

and you could do the whole race, and what happens, TNN ends up doing those races,

and so I kind of, you know, back in the day, I was one of the first people to say, guys, do you know what a hidden gem these races are?

This is some of the best racing we've got, and no radio coverage, no TV coverage,

and so when people started discovering those races, and TNN started putting them on TV, we started putting them on the radio,

then all of a sudden, you know, they became a hot commodity, and you know, that was the beginning of what these big contracts are for the, what is now the O'Reilly Auto Part Series,

you know, that was TNN going out there and not just doing the companion races, but putting the money into going to some of these short tracks.

We should go back to that, we absolutely should go back to that, and there are some great tracks that could host these races, there really are.

Yeah, I would think it would be more possible now with it having its own TV deal, you know, it's the CW only does O'Reilly, and I don't, but I guess they still...

Again, remember, if somebody at CW said, hey, we're going to spend the money and we're going to try to push this, it would happen, right,

and again, I think for both of those series, if they did, you know, three or four of these throwbacks a year, heck, I'd settle for one, you know, but I think if they would do, you know, one to maybe three or four,

and again, there's some great racetracks that just need a little bit of help putting it together that could really get it done.

I think South Boston, I mean, in all seriousness, I think some people could come in there and help them with temporary seating and things like that, and it would blow the lid off that place.

It's great viewing racetrack, you can put the big haulers in there in the middle, we saw that on Saturday night, and you still have a great view of the racetrack,

and so nobody's going to get a bad view of the race, I just think it would be, again, winter, winter chicken dinner, but again, I don't write the chats.

It's really easy to spend other people's money.

It's easy, man, I'm telling you, no problem.

Let's dive on into our second topic of the evening.

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Mr. Michael Massey, well, and I'll knock and shout out to you boys for displaying that.

Massey, let's have you introduce the second topic of the evening, my friend.

So the second topic is SVG, I believe.

That is correct, good job.

Mark, I don't know if you had the chance to watch Sunday or not, but there's more SVG, Shane Van Gosberg dominance on a road course,

but the gap's closing.

Chase Briscoe, two more laps, one more lap.

Maybe he gets there.

Are the guys figuring him out?

Or is this like Caden Honeycutt at South Boston?

He's going to get him.

No, he's not.

Chase Briscoe drove a great race two years in a row, right?

And believe me, if he got there, SVG would just, you know, I mean, no.

Yeah, are they closer?

He is forcing them to get better.

Everybody in the field is probably becoming a better road racer because of SVG.

But guess what?

He ain't standing still, boys and girls.

Their chassis setups and things that they used last year aren't the same as what they're using now.

They're not standing still.

He's still a moving target, everybody, right?

And the champ is still the champ until you knock him out.

And another five laps and Chase Briscoe was still not going to win the race.

I would have loved to have seen it because I'm a Chase fan.

But no, I think SVG always has something in his back pocket.

That is a horrifying thought.

But it is one that it wasn't just, it's not just you that said it, Mark.

Kyle Larson even said it post race two in which he said, look, these Chevrolet bodies, like, yeah, you know, we're still figuring them out.

The Toyotas were still the fastest all day.

Yes, SVG still won.

But the Toyotas were still pretty darn close to getting him at the very end.

So even my point being is that SVG still had a car that clearly was not the best out of the rest of the field.

I think it was 74 laps.

I want to believe, I really want to believe that these guys are getting better at road course racing just because there is one guy who's just so good at it.

They feel like, OK, we got to get better at this.

We don't have a choice.

We have to be better at the same time.

I don't think maybe that need is as prominent as it has been the last couple of years just because there's no road courses in the Chase anymore.

So what's even the point?

I don't know.

SVG is clearly still the best road course racer in the field and potentially in NASCAR history.

Maybe that's up for debate.

But at the same time, I do feel like it's not been on the level of dominance that it was in recent, in the last year.

Maybe you could say it's because of the Chevrolet body.

I don't know.

It's kind of hard to tell.

But the fact that there's less road courses kind of gives him a little bit less opportunity to show off his true road course prowess.

Ryan, what's your take on that?

I think it's just scary that SVG said his car was awful and he still won.

And he said that his car was awful in qualifying and then it got better and better.

But if his car was awful during the race and he still won, what would it be like if he had a car that was amazing?

I think that says a lot to not only his talent, but also to the equipment that Trackhouse is bringing him.

We all know Trackhouse is step down than they were 234 years ago.

But I mean, the guy just has natural talent.

And Mark, you've been around the sport for a long time.

Where do you rank him among the best road course racers?

I mean, you saw Jeff Gordon and Tony Stewart and even a guy like Marcus Ambrose.

Where do you put him in the category of road course racers?

I think the two best road racers I've ever seen at the Cup Series level, you mentioned some great names.

Elliot Stewart.

But I think Jeff Gordon and SVG are at the top of this board.

I'll never forget a race at Watkins Glen where lap after lap and Jeff Gordon, you know, you have what?

10-11 turns to mess up and he ran the whole race within one to two tenths every lap.

I mean, it was like a clinic.

He corner perfect.

He had every exit perfect.

The car never slid.

I mean, it was just one of those performances that most fans, you know, they cheer Jeff Gordon.

And yeah, he wins the race.

But aficionados of the race who like to dig a little deeper into the numbers, right?

And you take a look at the lap times of that racing.

Even as the tires wore down, everything just stayed in this little window lap after lap after lap.

So I would love or would have loved to see Jeff Gordon SVG lock horns because Jeff was so competitive of a race car driver.

SVG would have to just rub his nose in at one time, you know, one Chicago street race and Jeff goes, you know what?

That ain't happening again.

You know, we're going to find a way to fix that.

But I think SVG came along at the perfect time.

The cars matching up to that supercar series so closely to everything he's already trained for his entire life.

Because when you put him on an oval and he's getting better, but you saw how, you know, again, you take a NASCAR guy, put him on the road course.

They look like SVG going from the road course to the oval, right?

You're a fish out of water.

You're trying to figure out a whole new routine, chassis setups, how to drive the car, how to drive the racetracks.

You're learning new racetracks.

You're seeing tracks that you've never seen before.

So I think SVG is an elite talent.

And again, just everything came together at the right time, the type of car.

And again, the gearbox, it's not, you know, you're not shifting, you know, over here and over there.

You got sequential shifting, everything that he was trained for.

And he's a great race driver, right?

I mean, he is a great race driver when it comes to these kind of things.

And just think about it.

He wins that race Sunday in a car he didn't think was very good.

Is his team even close to being one of the top Chevrolets right now?

No, right?

Toyota obviously has everybody's butt kicked right now, almost everywhere.

They've got the fastest cars.

They've got basically the best chassis setups.

Joe Gibbs racing is on rails right now.

So it's 2311.

And yet he still won.

And it kind of reminds me of back in the days, one of the few race drivers I could see put a car in his back and still win with a car that shouldn't have won.

I remember Kale Yarbaro, you know, climbing out of the car, his hands all bloodied with blisters, just taking this thing and wrestling a fifth, sixth, seventh place car and somehow finding a way to win.

And SVG reminded me of that Sunday.

You could tell that car was not nearly as good as some of the cars behind him, but his talent level, his willingness to put that car on the edge and his just absolutely never say die attitude about giving up the lead led to him.

Winning that race.

He certainly didn't have the elite car, but he was the elite driver.

This scary thought is if you put him in that 19 Toyota.

What happened then?

That would be, he might lap the field.

But the name that Mike Joy always throws out is Dan Gurney.

And I know that that was, that was before your time, Mark.

No, it wasn't.

I'd like to say it wasn't.

I saw, I saw Dan Gurney.

I believe race one time out at Riverside.

Okay.

Back to the like night, like late eight, like minute, early mid eighties, something like that.

I believe I did see Dan Dan race.

Yeah.

Okay.

So from from what you saw from Dan Gurney, we never got to see Dan Gurney race, the three of us.

But from what you saw heard about him, how would he hold a candle to SVG?

Look, Dan Gurney is one of the all time greats.

Period.

Stop.

Drop the mic.

Right.

He could jump in just about anything.

I just don't think we saw enough of a sample of Dan Gurney in a stock car, you know, to really form any kind of opinion on that.

Right.

I mean, we saw Rutherford, Andretti, Foy.

I would have loved to see them run more stock car races because it would have made things a lot more interesting.

That's one of the things I think that would immensely help Indy car and NASCAR kind of put a little juice back in if we had some crossover things going on.

We certainly have drivers in both series that can go that could go back and forth a little bit.

And I think that would make things a lot more interesting.

That was so much fun back in the day.

Right.

You know, so you have Andretti showing up at Daytona to take on Pearson and Petty and Rutherford would be there and AJ Foyt things like that.

Then you'd have Bobby Allison, Donnie Allison crossing over running the Indy 500.

You know, that kind of thing today is probably not possible because of different contracts and just people stuck in the mud and not willing to really take an open mind about it.

But that would be fantastic.

I think for both series, if there would be some of that crossover because it just brings new fans.

It's like Kyle Larson going out and running all these races, right?

It's he's like Johnny Appleseed, man.

He's dropping seeds, you know, for new NASCAR fans and new short track fans everywhere he goes when he does that.

And that and that, you know, really certainly help helps everybody.

Right.

When he goes and races a short track, it helps that short track.

It helps the series that he's, of course, running.

And then, of course, it helps seed.

You know, the person that's at that short track is a perfect person to go buy a ticket and watch a NASCAR race.

Right.

I mean, they're already a race fan and you're trying to upsell them to something bigger.

So I would love to see some of that crossover right now.

But look, Gernie and Dreddy Foyt, would I have loved to see a bigger sample size for those guys running more races?

David Pearson one time said he let Mario and Dreddy win the Daytona 500.

He said Mario was on a bonsai mission that day and it was like he Mario.

We thought Mario was willing to die.

But if anybody was going to take the lead for Mario, he was going to take him out to Lake Lloyd and put him both in it before it was over.

They didn't dare to pass me.

He said Mario was a weapon all day long.

Nobody dared to pass him.

So I don't know.

That's what David said.

Don't know the truth behind it, but I would love to see more of Mario.

And I grew up a Mario fan because I grew up in an Italian neighborhood.

I got an Italian family.

I went to a Catholic church in the priest when Mario was racing, especially F1 races.

He would stand up in the pulpit and say we need to pray for Mario today.

He's running Monza.

We need to pray for Mario today.

He's running in South Africa or whatever.

And I hope one day to be able to meet Mario and tell him that as a little kid,

our little church in nowhere in Vermont was praying for Mario when he was driving the F1 cars.

I will take that argument, the argument that we don't see enough crossover.

And I will raise you a point that I think we do see that crossover quite a bit nowadays,

but we don't notice it enough because they're not as successful.

If you take a look back then, Dan Gurney could get in a race car, get in a stock car,

and he could kick absolute ass.

Mario Dredd can get in a stock car.

He could kick absolute ass.

Not really the same with Donnie Allison and Kaylee Arbro in the Indy car.

It's definitely not the same thing.

They definitely could not.

Probably could not.

You need to look at the stat book, my friend.

You need to look at the stat book.

You're right.

I do.

Okay.

Well, tough.

Hey, there's a little bit of skill there.

But at the same time, look at today.

I think you don't notice it enough.

Like as for everyone, we don't really appreciate enough just because look at what happened at San Diego.

We had Kevin Magnuson in the car.

And he didn't.

I mean, he did okay.

But he didn't.

I mean, he didn't turn heads.

You know, Kimmy Reichenin's been in the car.

He didn't really do a whole lot either.

Jensen Button, these are for me the one champion.

We should make a bigger deal about that.

You know what?

I blame the press.

I'm like, do you guys understand who these guys are?

Mark, honestly, God, I tried my best.

I put a camera there.

I mean, there was there was some yelling going on, but I did the best.

I know, but I mean, and then you look at Kyle Larson trying the Indie 500.

Now, I agree.

I think a NASCAR driver should be in Indie 500 every single year.

I don't know who does it.

I don't know who funds it, but we should at least have that attempt.

Kyle Larson's done it two years now.

It's time for someone else to try it out.

But my point being is that this that line used to be about here.

That blurred line used to be about here.

Now it's way out here because these guys are so focused on one racing discipline in

stock car racing and the open-wheel guys were so are so focused on open-wheel racing

that they don't really know how to divert that.

They don't really know how to get away from that.

Back then, as you explain, Mark, everyone was just racing whatever was on four wheels

because honestly, racing was kind of a relatively new thing, at least in cars.

And that's how they made money.

Understand professional race drivers, and there wasn't the really big money,

so they had to race a lot to keep putting cash in their pockets.

And I will say to you that today, because of the success of the World of Outlaws

and you got Kyle's series, these guys are making money now.

These sprint car drivers are making real money, right?

And so that is another reason why it's this why, right?

Because they're going like, you know, I could run NASCAR, but I make more money over here.

You know, as crazy as it sounds.

There's a track race on Wednesday night.

Well, I got that's got to pay for food on the table.

That's it.

You know how many times I chased Bobby Allison to fond in New York

and all these other places he'd run.

I mean, the man race five nights a week, you know, is crazy.

I spent a week jumping around with him in a plane one time.

It was absolutely nuts what the man did.

I think he would have drove a street stock if somebody like had an open date

and somebody gave him an offer.

He'd erase anything.

My final thought on this, Brian, I'm sure Brian, I'll let you say what you want.

I'm sorry.

I'm kind of cut you off there, but I just want to say like that.

All that said, that really goes to show how good of a talent SVG is

just because yes, he is used to the super cars, but he is able to get into a NASCAR Cup series car,

a car he has never raced before.

You need immediately win and kick everybody's ass.

So the fact that we are when was when did you win Chicago three years ago

about just about actually like as of this week, three years ago,

he won his first NASCAR Cup series race in his first start.

And here we are.

It's crazy to me that three years later we're talking about him

potentially being the best road racer in NASCAR's history.

That is absolutely wild to me.

If that doesn't showcase his talent, I don't really know what does.

With that being said, let's dive on into our next topic of this evening's program.

Once again, we all know that SVG dominated the race,

but let's look back overall and on the aspect of Sonoma.

When you go to Sonoma, obviously people are going to expect SVG,

but I wanted to get your guys' thoughts on Sonoma in itself

because it feels like nothing.

I don't want to see nothing really happens,

but I mean, it's just kind of like, OK, it's Sonoma.

Like there's nothing like excitement going around like this

upcoming weekend in Chicago lane where we're all like,

oh, what's going to happen?

What is going to be crazy?

Sonoma is like, OK, sure.

We're going to go out to wine country.

It's going to be fine.

It's going to be nice scenic views.

What does the future hold for Sonoma?

What should we do with Sonoma?

Should we just continue to go back there?

Do something else?

I think there's probably another awesome road course

a couple of hours away in Monterey.

Mark, we'll get your thoughts.

Where does Sonoma fit in the schedule if it fits at all?

I think it should always fit in there

because number one, we need the California market.

Speedway Motorsports does the best job

when it comes to putting on these road races.

I think Sonoma is one of the best viewing racetracks

you can possibly have.

You can take one of those seats at the top of the course,

see almost the entire course.

You can take a high grandstand seat,

see a lot of it from the front straightaway.

Again, we need some consistency in the California market.

We don't have anything in the south right now.

There's no Fontana.

We took our shot now at San Diego.

We've done the Los Angeles Coliseum.

There's nothing set down there.

I think we need some consistency in the fact

that we need that Sonoma race just for that.

Again, I think it's one of the best road courses that we have.

After the roval, I think it's the best viewing road course

you can possibly have.

I was disappointed by what I saw lack of crowd on Sunday.

I knew instantly there wasn't much crowd

because that's when the TV cameras bore in on the cars

and don't show you the grandstands.

You can always tell when there's a crowd,

the shots always expanded just a little bit.

When I saw them going tight all around the course,

I'm going like, okay,

and then there was a few shots of the concrete

in different places down through the Ss.

That was kind of disappointing

because it is a nice experience out there.

It's a great part of the country.

I will say this.

I have no problem not flying into the San Francisco airport again.

I have no problem with that.

Driving through San Francisco,

driving through all the homeless campers

on the way to the gateway, the Golden Gate Bridge,

guys popping out the door,

take a dump on the sidewalk, go back inside.

I won't miss that at all.

There's no question about that,

but I think Sonoma deserves a spot in there.

It's a great racetrack.

They put a lot of money into it.

They put a lot into putting on that event.

I admit I'm a little pro speedway motorsports.

That's what I worked for for a long, long time,

but just calling a ball and strike,

I still think that Sonoma deserves a place on the schedule.

Massey, Dolan, I don't think you guys have been there.

I've been there, I think a few times,

and it is a great, fantastic venue.

I mean, the views are amazing,

but is the racing up to par.

Dolan, I'll start with you.

What do you do, or should I say,

what do we do with Sonoma?

Change the car.

Okay, that's not going to happen.

Let's try this again.

Here's what you do.

You put them in light models,

and you take turn 11,

and you put another bend around it,

and you make into a short track.

There you go.

Oh, wow, I like that.

Guys, the problem that we're having right now,

the problem we're having,

these cars are not good on short tracks,

and they're not good on road courses.

They don't put on a show.

I thought when they came up with this new car,

I said, okay, when it comes to short track,

we pull out a thousand pounds,

we make them a lot lighter,

more nimble, like a late model,

for the short tracks.

Again, the road courses,

we pull out a thousand pounds,

let them redistribute the other weight

that they have around the car,

again, to make them more nimble

of a road race car.

I think most of this,

the problem right now is the car.

I agree with that.

Brian, it's interesting that

we were texting during the race,

and we were talking about

the overall quality of racing,

and I was like,

yes, Sonoma has a good race,

once every 10 years or so.

There have been good races.

2016, Stuart versus Hamlin.

Shoot, man.

Ricky Rudd, Davey Allison.

Oh, there's Muncie,

you beat me to that one.

Yeah, see, I know a little bit of history.

See, right there, Don,

that's my argument.

What else is there besides those two?

Ricky and Rusty had a good one in 89.

Ricky Rudd, Jerry and Adu almost won.

Jerry and Adu went flat.

I wouldn't say,

I wouldn't constitute that as a good race, but...

It was a good story.

Look, our Australian going up to Hill

and shutting his engine off.

That was the one on there.

Yeah, that was a heartbreaker.

Marko, what are we doing?

Let me ask you something, guys, in general.

Let me ask you guys this.

How many races this year

have set your hair on fire?

They sat down and went after the race

and went like, whoa, man, what a show.

How many?

Man, I got to look back.

Maybe like three.

I mean, San Diego.

Off the top of my head, like Daytona 500.

San Diego, I would say.

Yeah, I would say for sure.

Yeah, I would say, Sandy, I'm looking back now.

Oh, my goodness.

One of those Denny wins

in the three in a row.

Charlotte.

Charlotte's good.

I about 600 kind of did pretty well.

In three in a row.

Yeah.

In three in a row.

The front row.

It can't go three wide in Talladega.

What in the world are we doing?

Talladega, if you're not racing for one in Talladega,

what are we doing?

But the front row with 40 to go

was the front row on the last lap.

Because nobody could move.

Oh, Nashville.

Bristol is good.

Bristol was pretty good.

But see how hard you're having to work for that?

Do you have a hard you're having to work for that?

I mean, it's funny now that I have a complete

outside looking in view

and I'm watching it on TV

and I go, is there anything else on?

You know, I'm clicking channels.

I'm going right.

I'm watching the end of the stages

and, you know, I mean, you know,

it's not as bad as the one

where you watch the race to turn one

and you watch the one and only pit stop

and then the race is over

and then you switch off to something else.

But, you know, I think, I think

NASCAR has some issues right now, man.

Again, I go back to what I said about South Boston.

We're in the entertainment business, right?

And a lot of these races, not very entertaining.

I don't think.

Yeah.

And I think that based on Talladega

and Noah Coleman said on Twitter,

the celebration and winner was good, not the race.

That's the thing.

Like Mark was saying, we're in the entertainment business.

That was the best part of the race.

We're not talking about the race.

We're talking about hosts of our celebrate.

And I think.

And our race was awesome.

We're not talking about it.

I'm just saying.

I mean, I can't believe I'm saying this.

Sorry, Mark Crystal.

That is Mark.

But I mean, the ARCA race was incredible.

But I mean.

Yeah.

But like Mark was saying, it was like when you actually think

which races were amazing, you only can get like three to four.

Mark, you were saying that you're thinking about what else is on.

If you look at the ratings of this past weekend,

you're not the only one that was thinking that people decided to watch

a bunch of guys run around chasing a ball

and not score any goals or ever.

Then watch race cars on a track.

And that's pretty firm.

Michael Massey hates the United States soccer team.

I will be watching tomorrow.

Guys, again, you know, we're in the entertainment business

and I just look at it right now.

And you know how many times have we said,

you know that truck race was better than the cup race, right?

And there are times where the O'Reilly Auto Parts series

puts on a better race.

But they're not the straw that stirs the drink, right?

I mean, they're not the one that helps us rain money

on everything with the cup series.

And you know, it's frustrating to watch it, man,

because I'm a fan.

I'm 67 years old.

I went to the racetrack for the first time when I was one.

I had been around it.

And that's why I want to go back and do more short track stuff.

I was highly entertained by what happened at South Boston

on Saturday night.

I thought the racing was great.

And I thought Cayden Honeycutt stunk up a show that,

you know, again, they give him a stacked deck.

Great driver, great car, start him on the pole, let it rip, right?

So there was no entertainment value as far as who was going to win the race

per se until the end when everybody started going,

he's going to catch him.

And I'm going like, you guys are out of your mind, right?

Just like Chase Briscoe trying to catch SPG at the end.

Giving five laps, giving 10, giving 20.

It was still going to turn out to be the same way.

And I would have loved to see Chase beat him.

But it was going to turn out to be the same way.

And I think racing in general,

you know, sometimes forget, people want to talk about it being in a sport.

But we are trying to draw people away from the movie theater,

away from the soccer fields, away from the football fields.

We're in the entertainment business.

And there are times right now, especially on some of these weekly shows

that these short tracks, there is absolutely zero entertainment value.

And they're wondering why there's only 600, 800 people in the grandstands

and maybe 50 cars for five divisions in the pit area, right?

And the only short track in America, right, that entertains every week

and they pile in Bowman Gray just up the road for me.

I mean, it's a show every week, not a race, it's a show.

It's a show, right?

They're in the entertainment business up there, right?

And so again, I think in general, racing needs to, you know,

take a hard look at that.

I really believe that NASCAR at its highest levels

know and realize and probably wouldn't disagree

if we were on a mountaintop and nobody else would hear

whether they agreed with us or not,

they'd probably agree with a lot of what we've talked about.

They just would, it's there.

I would, I think, I don't think anybody's going to disagree with that.

I will say there's been some interesting stuff brought up.

I've seen a lot of our, our columns have come up and said,

hey, did you know that this was actually the last road course race of the season?

Which is like, okay, yeah, we kind of knew that already.

But at the same time, I still feel like I do wish there was one more.

I know this car is not the best on road courses.

I'm aware of that.

But at the same time, I still, I am adamant that you should have

at least a road course in the play out or in the chase now.

And Sonoma, I will agree with everything that's been said so far.

I think Sonoma should still be in on the schedule

just because of his historic value.

It's been on the schedule, not as long as Watkins Glen,

but it's been on the schedule for a very long time.

One of the longest running road courses in the sport.

And it deserves, it has a little bit of that, that value to it.

It is a little bit of historical value to it.

But we should add one more road course.

I don't know where I, oh boy, what?

I was gonna say, let's swap the dates of Sonoma and Coda

and run Sonoma when it's beautiful.

The problem is there, it's gonna be all wet and muddy

for the campers and everything.

You want it to be like Watkins Glen?

Well, no, I agree.

Exactly.

I thought wet for the cars, for the rain.

I mean, no, it would be cool.

But I mean, like all the campers and everything,

it would be stuck and everything.

It would be a nightmare.

Like as much as I would love it too,

I just don't think it's feasible.

Yeah, you're right.

Well, and Watkins Glen is going back in the playoffs next year.

That's a good move.

I think that's a track.

The fans there are awesome.

That's some of the best fans at all, NASCAR.

Beautiful area.

Yeah.

For sure.

I think you could make an argument.

We don't need a road course at all.

Oh boy.

Okay.

I disagree with that.

Why's that, Mark?

Mark, you started where there's just two road courses a year.

Sonoma and Watkins Glen.

Yeah, it's definitely on it.

I'm going to be,

I'm going to be 100% truthful now.

I used to think that putting star cars in a road course

was like taking a secretariat,

bringing that horse down to the local like amusement park

and have them do kiddie rides.

You know, I mean, the car, they just, you know,

you got a thoroughbred race car for ovals

and you put them on the, you know,

and the racing, you know,

when they first started doing this stuff,

it was pretty, pretty crazy.

I mean, I got a chance to see some of the iconic,

I mean, I went to,

I was broadcast races at Riverside, right?

I was there when Rusty Wallace won the last race at Riverside

and that was a pretty cool little road course.

It was kind of like Sonoma kind of uphill downhill

except they kept the sand dunes in the middle

and I'd be on the,

I'm sort of in the middle part of the racetrack

and I was up on a stand

and people would throw rocks at me

and hit me in the back

when they saw dust flying on the front stretch.

And so while I'm broadcasting the race,

they'd be throwing rocks

and I'd turn around and they'd be going,

what happened?

What happened, right?

So I'd give them a quick little play-by-play

of what happened

and put my headsets back on

and actually do what I was supposed to be doing.

So I wasn't a big fan of the road courses back then at all.

I've grown to like them a little bit.

I still think that, you know,

that they're meant for ovals.

That's where thoroughbred,

you know, just oval track cars.

Right now,

my favorite racetrack on the whole series,

I love Daytona.

Daytona's Daytona.

They took the teeth out of Bristol, right?

So they kind of,

they kind of defanged Bristol a long time ago.

It's still great racing.

It's sort of like a ballet now

where it used to be a slam dance, right?

And the fans want the slam dance,

not the ballet.

If you look at it from a racing standpoint,

some really cool stuff

these guys are doing on that racetrack

as far as driving ability.

But my favorite racetrack right now

is Atlanta Motor Speedway.

I don't think I don't know how to have a bad race

in Atlanta Motor Speedway.

The leader can't get away.

And to me right now,

the number one racetrack

for entertaining, for racing

and entertainment intersecting

for a great show,

in my opinion, is Atlanta Motor Speedway.

I mean, I couldn't have said it better.

Every single race there is a barn burner.

Very few people would disagree with that.

From now on,

if we want Mark's attention,

we know to just throw a rock at him.

If I had a nickel for every rock that's thrown at me, boys,

I wouldn't be doing this show.

I'd be sitting in Mojito somewhere on a Caribbean island.

Honestly, fair.

I don't blame you.

With that being said, Mark,

where are we going to be able to find you?

Do you have any projects coming up

that we will be able to hear you

or what is in the

life of Mark Garrow doing these days?

Honestly, the only thing I can tell you for sure

is that starting at about the first of August

until first week in May,

second week of May in 2027,

I'll do anywhere from 150 to 160 volleyball matches.

I'll be involved in refereeing and doing that,

which I've sort of...

I don't know how to do anything average, right?

You always got to try to be getting better,

so I'm trying to climb up the ladder

as far as my affiliations

and they grade you

and they do all that kind of stuff.

So last year, I was able to referee

a girls quarterfinal

in the North Carolina State High School.

For boys in May, I got a chance to do the

state semifinal,

which was the western final with boys.

So I'm inching closer

to maybe a state championship one day,

which is my goal as far as high school is concerned.

So that's kind of what I'm working towards there.

And I really enjoy.

I do everything from middle school girls

all the way up to high school girls,

high school boys and just kind of

USA volleyball, the big tournament traveling teams

and stuff on the weekend.

But as far as racing,

you know, I stepped back from it,

so I'm going to make a clean break

and see how long it takes me to get the itch.

Now, the South Boston race

was the first oval track race

I had been back to since I walked away

from Martinsville Speedway last fall.

I went to the four wide nationals.

Scott Cooper and all his great folks down there

hooked me up to go to the four wide nationals,

which was on my bucket list.

I never got to go because we were always at a NASCAR race.

That whole thing blew me away.

And what they've got going on in the NHRA,

I mean, there's a lot of great entertainment value

going on right there.

They're doing a great job.

But South Boston was the first oval track race

and I tried to pull back as far as I could.

And once I got to South Boston,

I'm going, I got to get back in the short track somehow, man.

I have got to figure out a deal somehow.

And I figure maybe one of these short track series

or one of these TV deals or something

could use somebody with a little bit of experience

to talk about it.

But I would really love to get back into some short track.

That's where I came from.

My dad was a flagman.

My mom was a scorer at the local racetrack

in the town that I grew up in.

That's the only thing I knew

until I was 16, 17 years old,

was going to that racetrack every Saturday night.

Then I got a chance to run it

at Claremont Speedway in New Hampshire

for a couple of years.

So my heart has always been in the short tracks.

It's where I came from.

I love short track drivers.

They're a different breed of cat

than just about anybody else on the planet.

So I hope one day to kind of land something there

and have a little bit of fun with the short tracks.

But nothing yet.

Nothing right now.

Anybody?

It's Guru Garo on Twitter or X

and call up Massey.

And he's got my phone number.

Brian, you three got my phone number.

So if anybody's interested, just call those three.

And you guys can have a 10% cut

of anything that happens.

All right?

I'm totally down.

Let's do it.

I'm going to be a salesman for you now.

Any place, anywhere.

If anyone at full racing is listening,

give it a call.

We'll do track side happy hours.

I actually, Facebook messenger,

Ward Burton, who's always been a great friend.

And I saw what he's running this big race

at the end of the year at South Boston.

I Facebook, dude, if you need me for anything,

count me in.

So who knows,

but I'd love to go back to the short tracks.

I'd love to either promote a short track,

do some short track broadcasting,

just anything that would be involved with a short track

would be fun to go back to.

Be a nice golf game in my retirement kind of thing.

That'd be awesome.

Well, Mark, thank you so much for coming on.

We'll definitely have you on again.

And like you said, he is available,

available for hire.

So also for kids, kids parties and bar mitzvahs.

Sure.

Okay.

That works as well.

Once again, big thanks to Mark Darrell.

When we come back,

we're going to be diving on into our end season bracket

and we'll give you an update on where we stand

in the front stretch network for all of our podcasts.

We're doing a little bit of a competition that's coming up here

on the front stretch happy hour program.

If our producer is listening to the show.

Man, I hope he is.

Once again, big thanks to Mr. Mark Gehr from PRN

or formerly a PRN.

Again, bringing the fellows back here.

Michael Massey, Dolan Hopkins.

Trey Lyle is producing this golf forsaken program

and let's dive on into our end season bracket challenge.

Do we have to?

I mean, we don't have to.

We actually didn't do too bad.

We did.

But apparently Dolan Hopkins has a vendetta

against Ty Dillon,

but you know, that's the story for a different day.

Push the gas pedal a little bit harder.

Hamlin was what?

Freaking 30th?

He couldn't.

I'm good.

Don't take a breath.

Breathe in.

Breathe out.

It's okay.

I'll come back in a few minutes.

Massey, I got terrible eyesight.

So can you recap this because for the love of God,

I can't see.

Okay.

So we picked Tyler Reddick and we were wrong there.

Alex Bowling beat him.

That was the number one thing.

You guys just want like the here.

You know what?

I'm going to share it because I got it up right now.

I got the update.

I got it.

It shows the results.

This shows you what I'm going to do.

It has red and green.

We're going to do that right now.

Okay.

There we go.

That's what we're just looking at.

No.

See now you've got, now you've got these are updated.

It actually shows the results.

It shows where we were wrong.

It's harder to read.

It's like.

I give up.

But yeah.

So we picked Tyler Reddick over Alex Bowman and.

See it shows right there.

Alex Bowman, instead of Tyler Reddick,

it's got Reddick crossed out.

You're welcome.

So we were, we were,

Reddick's problems, mechanical issues,

messed us and a whole lot of other people up.

But at least we didn't have him going super far.

Cedric and Brad keselowski,

they were actually battling it out on the racetrack,

getting physical.

We picked.

So we picked keselowski for that one and we were wrong.

Right.

Wrong.

Yeah.

And then Daniel Suarez, Todd Gilliland.

We picked Todd and we were wrong.

We're right.

It looks like.

I assume the green means we're right.

Craig, can you help us?

We're not the brightest ball.

You just look.

It just says Todd Gilliland.

Yes.

Beat Daniel Suarez right there.

It says it right there.

His name.

But how do we know who we pick?

Because.

Who you picked is crossed out right next to it.

So we picked.

Why is it teal though?

Yeah.

The colors are growing me.

Are you 55 years old?

Okay.

So we picked.

60 year olds.

I can't read that.

Suarez.

So I act like.

Yeah.

We were wrong about Suarez.

I.

He was this.

I think so.

And.

Those of ours ain't Smith.

Looks like we were right on that account.

It was because of our.

And then the briscoe almond dinger.

That's one that got us.

Because he thought after the top five.

At.

The street course.

San Diego.

That almond dinger is going to have it again.

Briscoe finishes second.

But that's not a huge loss.

Because I think we had almond dinger out the next round anyways.

It's going to hurt us if the briscoe goes on a run.

Ty Gibbs, Austin Dylan.

We got that one.

Bubba Wallace, Michael McDowell.

We got that one.

But I had a rough weekend.

Chase Elliott and no Gregson.

We got that one.

Danny and Ty Dylan.

We don't need to talk about that one.

Hey, I will say shout out Brad keselowski.

For knocking host of our into Denny Hamlin.

And giving us hope there.

Eric Jones and Joey Logano.

We got that one right.

At a boy.

Oh, that's going to hurt us this week.

When it's Denny versus Jones.

Because we got Jones going another round.

You never know anything.

Ty Dylan almost won, right?

That's true.

Yeah, you should have won.

But you're over J.

Jen, we got that.

Well, the worst part is I think I steered you guys wrong last week.

Because because well, Chastain,

I was saying Bell was hurt and he wasn't going to do anything.

And he beat I said Christopher Bell was going to do just fine

because he wasn't going to have the cast on.

He did have that.

And then you guys were like, no, he's hurt.

He's hurt to be fair.

He did have to cast on.

But he was he still got a top five.

He was.

Then we got Byron and Stenhouse.

We got that Larson and Herbst got that one right.

So hey, we're doing pretty good on this side.

We nailed all four on this side of the bracket.

SVG over Priest.

That was like, yeah.

We had a really good race.

He's seven.

He did.

You're right.

Yeah.

All would have taken his SVG to have like had a had an incident like he did in San Diego.

There have been way more brackets busted.

And then Blaney and Barry, we got Blaney.

So the bottom right, we're doing really good stuff, which is good.

Our final four is still all alive.

I would say the right, the whole right side, we didn't do too bad.

We only missed two.

Yeah.

Yeah, that's pretty good.

Now the left side where it's a little different.

So, but I think we're in second place in the front stretch standings right now.

Even though we have the most points.

As a matter of fact, I mean, as a matter of fact, give me one second.

There you go.

There's, there's their league standings right now.

And as you can see, we are second place well ahead.

Even though we have this many points from, we have more points remaining than Mike Neff's Myrtle Beach Earn Hearts.

We're still second.

He's leading now, but he won't hold that lead.

He won't be next.

We have the most available points remaining.

Surprisingly enough.

Fuck on that.

The open wheel side is actually tied with a, I don't know how that makes sense, but okay.

Like we still have way more points remaining.

That's why we're ahead of them because we have more points remaining.

Yeah, exactly.

But the pit straight is technically third, not second.

I don't know.

I mean, I mean, my head second because we all have the same amount of points.

Don't well.

Yeah.

It might be maybe they had Ty Dillon going all the way to the final or something.

And that's what killed them.

Look, can we look?

We can.

We can look.

Oh, no.

No.

They got their final four gone already.

Okay.

They had Bubba.

They had Bubba going to the file four to be, you know, honestly, that's not, that's not that.

Oh, they did have Bubba and Bubba and Reddit going to the final four.

This is why they follow IndyCar, not NanceCar.

Yeah.

They almost lost their champion too.

Yeah.

Let's see any other outrageous.

Let's look at, let's look at through the gears because they have the lowest amount of points.

Yeah.

All right.

That's, that's Michael Belfini.

He's, he's fellow family.

Oh boy.

He's our betting expert.

Whoa.

He lost his champion.

Whoa.

It's the final four.

Good lord.

And they have Lugano with.

Oh boy.

Oh, oh, chase.

Okay.

So that is, I think we've got the podcast that's going to be getting the punishment.

I'm sorry, Michael.

What's the punishment?

Do we even know what the punishment is yet?

It sounds like it's going to be, you got to call a random race on the YouTube.

I still think a ball to the balls.

You got to call a random race.

Yeah.

Like a commentator.

It's like boring.

Well, like watch party, I guess.

It's not.

It's hanging out, having an afternoon with Mike Neff is not that much of a punishment.

I'm sorry.

Can you do it?

Can we do like a pie to the face or a ball to the balls?

Let's have them do that awful challenge where somebody goes to walk.

I think spending the day with Brian Nolan would be a great punishment.

I'm a great time.

A ball to the face and a pie to the.

Ball to the face and a pie to the balls.

Michael Masi lingo right there.

With that being said, let's.

Oh God.

Well, what are we looking at this week?

Look at.

Let's go back to ours for this.

Let's see what we got for this week.

No, not anymore.

All right, hold on.

There we go.

Okay, let's see.

I'm still blind.

We have got.

I hate Masi.

Say, I can't.

It's not that hard to look at.

I can't read.

I'm going to be like this.

You can't read regardless.

Shout out Mark Chris.

So anyways, we're going to have.

So that's going to hurt us because we've got Redick moving on.

On the left side.

Well, this one.

I like to read right left to right and not right.

I just I just see the ones that I just saw like the biggest loss of ours.

But yeah, okay.

All right.

Redick's a big loss because we got him going.

It is the next round.

And this to this.

I think this will continue to well.

But I know one more round.

I mean, Bowman is the most recent winner there.

So he knows how to win there.

So that doesn't matter between Bowman and Cendric.

We don't get points either way.

We don't.

Didn't we pick Cendric?

But we didn't pick him to win round two.

No.

Yeah.

I mean, no, I guess that's true.

Yeah.

So I hate everybody hurt either way.

Then then you've got a Gilliland and host of our.

We need host of our to win.

I think I think you will pretty.

That's pretty safe.

And then yeah.

Brisco tie Gibbs.

We need tie Gibbs to win.

And I'm not feeling great about that one.

I don't know.

Gibbs has had a pretty good and pretty good year.

That's one of those things where it's like I would agree.

Brisco I think is the favorite.

But I could definitely see tie Gibbs still still pulling it off.

He's the higher seed than Brisco.

Yeah.

So that's true.

Maybe maybe he is the favorite.

And then McDowell Elliott.

I feel pretty good about Elliott.

I agree.

And then Hamlin Jones.

We've got Jones winning.

That's that's the probably the biggest upset we need.

Right.

Yeah.

I think something needs to happen to Hamlin.

Yeah.

For us to for us to still win that one.

Then butcher bell.

I don't feel good about butcher over bell at this point.

Yeah.

You never know.

Big wreck could happen though.

Yeah.

And that's that's kind of I think it's kind of what we're hoping

for is for an incentive between Hamlin Bell.

Yeah.

Byron Larson.

I feel like Larson is the favorite.

But Byron needs a bounce back pretty bad.

Yep.

And Larson's had a bunch of consecutive top five.

So I feel like he's doing bad week.

So I'm a little uneasy there.

SVG and Blaney.

I feel good about us on that one with Blaney.

We're moving on.

I just I just got a weird feeling SVG is going to move on.

I don't know.

I would normally agree.

But to be I think that's actually a lot closer than we think it is.

I feel like SVG is better on the ovals, especially the mile and a half.

So I don't think it's that far fetched to think that there's a there's a chance that you know Blaney.

Selfishly.

I mean selfishly I hope Brian Blaney because you know we picked him.

Yeah.

That's our champion.

Right.

He is our champion.

Oh boy.

We got a lot riding on this one.

I know.

But I mean SVG I do think SVG could could maybe give him a little bit of heat.

Right.

12 pit crew.

We're looking at you this weekend.

Yeah.

We will probably chop something off.

They cleaned it up.

No.

They swear to God they better continue or else there will be pain.

I'm going to bring the whole of pain to them.

I think every single one of those guys in that pit crew is way stronger than you.

I don't care.

I think they got you beat.

I can do some steroids.

I bet they have also done steroids in the past buddy.

In fact you're past that phase.

They're at the end stage of the steroids.

But if it's an arm wrestling competition, Brian's right arm has a good chance against them.

Left arm actually.

Not right arm.

Left arm.

Great.

I'm amadextrious.

All righty.

Is that what you like?

Reptiles?

No.

That's where you can breathe water.

Y'all are perverts.

You know who's not a pervert though?

That's Trey Lyle and bringing the heat will be out Thursday with special guest Trey.

Can I announce the guest?

Trey?

Right.

Yes.

Special guest Michael Waltrip.

Yes folks.

NASCAR on Fox.

He does a plethora of different things.

There's like eight different things he's a part of.

So he's going to be the guest on Bring the Heat coming up on Thursday through the gears on Friday.

And then my man Eric got all the latest on stock car scoop on Sunday.

Masti, are you going to be riding anything this week?

I already rode it.

I swapped columns for the week because he had something yesterday.

So look on frontstretch.com for the up to speed column on how O'Reilly can benefit both the O'Reilly series,

NOAPS and the local racing series.

A lot of stuff.

Mr. Dalton Hopkins, are you riding anything young man?

I am not as a matter of fact.

I am taking my fiancé to Savannah, Georgia to enjoy the 4th of July weekend.

So we're very excited for that.

Don't get me wrong.

It is not a weekend off because I will for sure still be coordinating our at track dudes at Chicago.

Hell yeah, brother.

And he rode a great piece on Friday.

Oh, I did.

That's true.

He did.

That was.

And then two days later, someone got mad at us.

That's why you know it's really good.

Now check out the last week's fire on Fridays.

It is an open letter to NASCAR PR team.

So check that out when you can.

I kind of went off a little bit there.

You did good.

I appreciate that.

I wish I could write as passionately about that.

That I do most other things.

I'm pretty sure Tom, our boss Tom probably edited that a little bit heavy.

Just based on.

No, he really did.

He changed like a couple lines.

Yeah, no, a lot of that was me.

Because what you told me in the past, there's probably a lot.

There's probably a lot you want to include.

No, he actually texted me.

He's like, I didn't change a whole lot.

And I'm like, yeah, I know he changed like one of the last lines.

And that's about it.

So yeah, go check it out and be amazed.

Amazed.

And by the way, the person, the PR rep that got mad at us was those deserved.

So little little vote.

It was for a good reason.

So yeah, we may have killed some someone in our video department.

But you know, that's okay.

They're in a better place.

Didn't actually kill anybody.

Just make a trip.

That was those joke.

That was a joke.

Without being said, big thanks to our producer Trey Lyle.

Hopefully Chris Graham will be back next week.

He was doing a fun project.

His little side gig was he was part of the production team for a banana ball in Eugene, Oregon.

I actually got to see him and meet up with him in the great seat of Idaho last Wednesday.

So awesome to connect there.

But hopefully he'll be back here next Tuesday.

Big thanks to Trey for filling in.

Big thanks to Dalton Hopkins.

Big thanks to Michael Massey Jr., the third.

I'm Brian Nolan.

Thank you so much for joining the program.

We'll talk to you guys next week.

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