Highways and Heat Pumps: Tales of Car Enthusiasm and Geothermal Ingenuity

Highways and Heat Pumps: Tales of Car Enthusiasm and Geothermal Ingenuity In Wheel Time Podcast: Your Go-To Automotive Talk Show · Feb 29, 2024

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Welcome to another In Wheel Time Podcast, a 30 minute mini version of the In Wheel Time Car Show that airs live every Saturday morning 8 to 11am, central From Hobuses Hami Hideout in Brookshire, texas, podcasting and streaming around the globe.

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Just ahead, more gas from today's open house here at the Hideout.

Jeff has a feature on five things you shouldn't do while driving a manual transmission.

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Just ahead on the In Wheel Time Car Talk Show, howdy, along with Mike out of this World, mars, who's off gallivanting around looking for our next guest.

We need more Jeff Zeekin, our chief bottle washer and potent tape Another rare and special appearance by the Jack LaLaine of Automotive.

David Ainsley, I'm Don Armstrong.

Glad you could join us today, did you like that?

Jack LaLaine of Automotive Is he still alive.

No, he's been dead for years, really.

Is that what you're saying?

I am.

No, I didn't say that at all.

I said it.

But, you know, mr, health and Fitness over here, along with many other things that can't be repeated on the air.

David Ainsley, you've been joining us, as always.

Glad to be here.

See, what would you do without us?

There's your next guest coming up right there, bill.

Scythes oh boy, are you shaking his head?

No, but yes, we're shaking our head.

Yes, just sit down and shut up.

Bill Scythes has been a long well.

He may not consider me Sit here.

He may not consider me a friend, but I consider him a friend.

I'm at, he and his wife in 1977.

He's on next.

No, I take that back, it was 78.

And the reason I say that is because I took delivery on the 77 Corvette in October and I ordered it in July.

So it took me a while to think, okay, well, I got a Corvette, ooh, corvette Club.

Okay.

So I started poking around looking in newspaper ads when they had those little beaty box ads and stuff you know, help wanted ads, and I saw it San Jacinto Corvette Club.

I thought, well, that'll be fun.

So I go to those boring open meetings.

Could the secretary please read the minutes?

Yeah.

Yeah, let me just go ahead and curl up and die on the floor with the minutes.

It's like some sort of high school play, anyway.

So right out of the box, here comes Sharon and Bill.

Hi, we're Sharon and Bill Scythes.

Welcome to the Corvette Club.

I think she was sharing the president.

He needs his microphone on David.

He's on Mike's mic.

He's on Mike's mic as Mike turned it.

Now just hold on, go over there and turn the damn thing on, would you?

Mike, mike and his Mike.

Mike has got all sorts of okay, is that on now, it's on now.

Yeah, can you hear me?

Now I feel much better.

So I was sharing president of the San Jacinto Corvette Club in 78.

She wasn't involved in the San Jacinto Club.

Who was Well?

Were you the president?

No, who was the president?

No, I don't want to know.

I was there about 20 years ago.

In 78, wasn't that?

That was Lyndon Johnson.

Now it wasn't quite that old, but but it is.

So I don't know whether y'all were the welcoming committee or whatever, but you two came up to me and said hi, we're Bill and Sharon, welcome to the club.

You a member?

No Great, I'll give you $25 for joy.

I just came to visit.

Oh, okay, sit down.

So I sit down and that was the beginning of what we've come to today, and I'm so sorry.

My apologies.

It went long after that that we kind of broke off from San Jacinto.

Well, as a matter of fact, I mentioned that.

I don't know whether you heard that or not, but yes, because we, if memory serves me I know you'll correct me if I'm wrong, but, San Jacinto, at the time there were a lot of racers in there.

A lot of guys, the hot rodders and all that stuff, and we were more of the show car sissies.

We did, we didn't.

Did we call that?

We didn't really have cruise ins.

Back then I thought I would call but we had, you know, in the park car shows on the weekend, on a Saturday or Sunday, and so we kind of got together with that stuff and we started our own club, because they didn't want to do all of the car shows that we wanted to do.

We wanted to compete on another level.

You saw how that worked out.

Ours has been gone for a long time.

San Jacinto is still havin' in there.

Yeah, they are, yeah, they are, but that's okay but it was fun.

It was fun, it was an experience that for sure the snowy trip up to Oklahoma City, oh my God, yes, I will never forget that On the back of an open car carrier.

That helped a lot.

Oh, it helped Great, big, because your car's kind of tilted up so all of the dirty, snow and water goes all up underneath all of that hard work that you spent months cleaning to be perfect in every way, all ruined and trashed and it took days, never, ever got it clean after that.

So so I'm telling you, dude, I don't ever want to have that experience again in my life.

You see how gray our hair is.

No, I didn't notice that.

That's because of that trip that turned it gray.

That's what that?

That's what did it.

Yeah, it did, but anyway.

So we have history.

What are you working on now?

Art work, anything's just my artwork.

Yeah, working on the cars anymore, I'm getting down there and getting back up is not working out real well, so you got something you're going to put in here in the near future.

No, I'm just doing illustrations for different folks and different car clubs and things like that.

And I mentioned that.

I don't know whether you were privy to that when I announced that to the world, but while John was doing his thing, I said for everybody to be sure and look at the artwork that's on the walls and and the centerpiece out there under the cupola and that that's my friend, bill Sightse, and he did all of that.

Very talented guy, very wonderful artist and and so I kind of pumped you up and I didn't really mean it.

That was good.

I couldn't find the line that was waiting to meet me, but I'm sure that there were some folks over there.

He couldn't find the line of the people that were waiting to meet him.

Yeah, yeah.

I just missed it.

I got it, yeah.

Yeah, there's that story in my life.

Yes, I'm familiar with.

He was in the wrong line.

That's what it was.

Yeah, Again.

So um so well, that's good that you're still doing your artwork.

Do you advertise that, that you do artwork?

No, but I need to get back into that and do that.

I'm bracing out, so I'm starting to do some aircraft Well as automobiles, oh yeah.

I have a connection.

Really, I might talk to you about that.

Yeah, I have aircraft connection I.

I Was on an aircrew in the Navy so I have the three aircraft that I flew on.

I've illustrated those.

Think they're over there you ought to take a look.

Where are they?

I will write my display, as you probably walk right by and I didn't know that you had a.

Displacement there.

Yeah, he's not advertising, he just has a display over there.

Okay, well, I'll have to remember that you'll have to take me by the hand over there because clearly my eyesight is failing me.

Been there, done that, I mean you know how that goes.

That's the second time that goes.

Use GPS.

The second thing that goes.

Thank you, mars, I'm back.

He's back.

You find anybody yes.

Yeah, so Bill helped build this and I guess you would call it the construction supervisor.

How, what title would you put on that?

Because it was kind of like a do-all.

I was the project coordinator.

It'll work I built you nothing, but I kind of coordinated the folks that put that over there.

So in other words, you had like the concrete guy, come on one day.

We had a project, we had a construction superintendent, construction manager actually Worked closely with the subcontractors, but somebody kind of had to keep it all coordinated.

Well, I'll never forget.

I ran into you and you said, listen, when this thing is built, you've got to come out and see this thing.

Did he have a name for it?

Back?

then we're still making a list.

Yeah, everybody kind of threw in a name or two to see what it's going to say.

What are some of those?

names.

Obviously this one won, but I don't, I don't recall, I can't even recall the one that I put in which did not win, but he me hide it and I don't know who put that in, but it just seemed to fit.

Yeah, it does.

It's.

It's very good, but when?

When did John hire you to start your position and help build this thing?

It's about 2010 2010, so 14 years ago.

So Thank you yes that right and um we spent two and a half years building it and then.

What tooks it am long.

Were you part of the highway crew that is trying to fix it out?

here You're running this show and it was a project coordinator.

It was the project coordinator that did it.

That's what drug it all down.

How long did it take to build this?

About two and a half years total from the time we put flags in the ground marking the spot until we Finished paving out by the main gate and opened up.

Oh, so you did the paving too, out from the main gate all that done we.

We actually used this.

Use the dirt coming in here instead of the Broken up black top that was for the main road, got you, and fortunately that was the year 2011.

I think we had the big drought for like a year or two.

Yes, it was a blessing for this place because we had no downtime and it wasn't a big muddy mire.

Oh, we just still been stuck out there.

Yeah, so the ponds that I see out here driving in.

Were those dug or were those natural formations?

There was some ponds already there that I think John and his family have put in before, but we dug them much deeper.

It was extensively the.

The geothermal heating and cooling experts said that, uh, he transfers best in water.

So we said, instead of drilling holes, typically that you'll put piping in for geothermal cooling, run it out to the pond.

And of course then he said, well, it's not quite deep enough.

So we excavated about 3 000 truckloads Of dirt.

Oh, my gosh added ponds in the existing.

You dug deeper much deeper and we put a big glorified radiator, heat transfer, heat Radiator in the deep end of that one pond.

It looked like a construction project for a highway or a yep Lake is.

It was amazing.

Yep Wow and that's all.

That's all.

You took photos for the historical part of it, or is there a timeline that maybe there's a book that you can look through and Don't have a book.

We took about.

I took about 2 000 photographs and we've got a small 80 photograph chronological display.

That's what we're just looking for the chronological part of it and that gives folks a taste of kind of how it Worked from the ground breaking all the way through the progression, all the way to the end.

How long did it take him to raise the structure itself once the foundation was poured?

We call several months.

Yeah, relatively quick, a couple months there was a team of about five or six guys that do this.

They came out here and had a couple trucks and we had two, two man lifts and about 150.

Come along, some big, you know ratchet deals you grab that and I'll grab this and lift it and they went up just like so were there cranes involved.

We had two cranes.

Yes, they take each one of these big truss assemblies and they build it flat on the ground or on the concrete, assemble it and then they'd have a crane raise it up into position, tie it into the concrete, then it would sit there with it suspended and the next crane we had two would raise the next truss and then they time together so they're freestanding and move the cranes down and so on this was all new for you, was it not pretty new?

yeah, yeah, because I mean I, I, I google it I google it.

I know for a while that you worked for a floor, and so years ago yeah, years ago and but that was not your focus at all not related no I've done a lot of things, some successfully have you always been an artist?

or is just one time in your life you just picked it up and said, hey, I can do this, or as a child, you've always done art always liked it right from the get go.

My dad was artistically in front and he didn't pursue that as a profession.

Thank goodness it doesn't pay much but it's been.

It's been my talent for a long time.

Don's with.

The illustration I did for you was one of the first ones I did it's in the studio to the studio.

Cool, it's in the studio I probably need to touch that up for you a little.

Well, you know it is a watercolor and it has faded but that's okay, I I like it the way that it is.

I can touch it up if you like well, it kind of matches dawn little thing.

It's old and old and faded old and pathetic, but uh but but the structure is still there.

He's right like I said, I can touch it up solid frame.

Yeah, I know, you can, but, uh, I will tell you this.

I told the story, uh, about the Pontiac Sunfire bird was sun bird, sun bird all right sun bird, uh, that Sharon had, and the air conditioning went out of it, and I don't recall that.

I guess you do, and and, and I'll never forget.

Going over to his house and half the stuff underneath the hood is torn out of the car, I said, bill, what are you doing?

Well, I'm trying to fix the air conditioning.

Well, what do you mean so?

Well, uh, the compressor did this and the and the evaporator did that.

I'm going.

I don't know anything about any of that.

So he got in the book out and somehow managed to figure it all out, all works, and put it all back together and it worked if I'd have done that, it'd still be laying on the floor.

I remember that now.

Yes, I do you know the story how we bought that car.

No, Sharon and I being the masters of negotiation we went into a Pontiac dealer that on i-10 somewhere out in the cave, we were going for a grand pre.

She had one when she was younger and found out that we couldn't afford it.

So there was a really neat sunbird on the golden floor and we said we want that one.

And so instead of a grand free, we came in with a sunbird oh my god, because it was a pretty color.

Kathy bought a proud torus sho off the showroom years ago because it was petty blue, gray interior this was not.

This was not that.

This was not that I think I paid as much for this we did with a grand pre in the long run, yeah yeah, try to keep it running uh yeah, so I, I do remember that vividly.

I also remember one summer we had no rain.

They go out of town, don we come over to water the grass?

Yeah, well, what I didn't realize is that they set me up is what they did, because they had watered the grass about three days earlier.

Well, it was already in decline and I go over there and I skipped one night.

God knows for what reason, but it started the decline rapidly and I'm watering, I'm watering and watering.

I'm thinking my god, how much water is it going to take to get this thing to come back?

I knew nothing about grass.

Well, certain types, and I will tell you that, that whole yard bill.

When they got back, they went oh no, this is not going to work.

So bill goes out and buys a saint augustine remover and tears up the entire grass that I failed at keeping it alive and buys all new sod god knows how much it cost, have it delivered and then lays it all out there.

Who did it?

Don Armstrong ruined the grass.

He didn't share, you didn't share in the expensive.

That either I don't think.

No, I did not.

I Remember you want to give them a voice today.

I remember cutting that sod up and it liked to kill me.

I'm still hurting from that.

Well, that was a machine and you can't pull that wool over our eyes, but it was still a machine.

It was a heavy machine.

It was a heavy machine with some sort of gasoline motor on it and I don't know how it worked, but it was even it was easy.

It was the devil on the St Augustine that tore it out of there.

Yeah, so we have experiences, we have, we have history together.

The sights is and the Armstrong.

Some of it's interesting, most of its boring, but but but it made it, made you know Part of our lives, of what we are today.

That's right.

So it was good times and Bill was kind enough and he probably regrets it today, I know John does to introduce me to John Hovis and bring me out into the Hemi hideout, and I've been a fan ever since.

We love having you out here.

Thank you, man.

Yeah, and so you know John kind of breezed over the fact that he's got 30 people.

That kind of helped in all of this.

I know that you and Sharon are part of that crew, but explain to everybody how that works.

So they have an event out here.

Depending on what kind of event, they'll call in all the crew or a few people from the crew.

Shelley puts a list out, emails it to everybody who's involved or wants to be involved.

I'm a bit able to pick.

Yeah, whoever's available and we'll come out and help out.

He pays us absolutely nothing and it's just wonderful.

Yeah, well, you know it's for a good cause and you know, I've never heard anybody complain about the fact one oh.

I had to pay ten dollars to get in, why I did take the back.

Tommy no to complained one time because he didn't know they had to pay cash and they don't take credit cards.

So he spent an hour trying to find an ATM around here.

There is nothing around here with an ATM.

Had to go down the freeway to get the 20 bucks or in his wife to get in here.

They didn't pass Paula.

And you would think some friends would have gave him 20 bucks.

Yeah, it's didn't him going down the road?

Well, I know that I would have paid his way in, but I didn't know he was here.

So how am I to know?

I Guess they just go dump my wallet over there to Paula and she'll just dole it out for whoever needs it.

Hey, I know, don, I'm strong.

Oh well, here you go.

Here's some tickets $10 out of there.

No, there's $50, if you know.

Don.

That's exactly right.

Well, we love you, bill Sights and sharing Sights, and thank you both.

Thank you, sir.

We enjoy, as you don't talk with you guys.

It's wonderful you too, my friend Okay where are we in break time?

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Okay, who's Shelly Gates?

Well, shelly Gates really runs the Hemi hide.

So if you, you know, have a wedding or you know you want to come out and visit or an event like this private tour and event like this.

She's the one that gets your email and she's the one that coordinates it.

And then we say, oh, are we invited?

Shelly always says no no, you're not.

Well, can we?

Can we L borrow a way in?

Well, I guess so you're always invited.

Thank you.

Well, john made that clear today.

I said you know, I understand you're having more and more of these open houses and he said, yeah, is this any time you want to come?

We want to have you here.

Absolutely.

Thank you Appreciate it.

Yeah, it's tons of fun and we enjoy it.

And today, oh my gosh, what a crush of people.

Yeah, they're all looking at the cars right now.

Yeah, it's, it was truly.

I mean everybody's saying man, you got to go out there and see the line.

I got to see the line.

I'm on the air.

I can't go see the line.

Yes, there was 170 Corvettes that we counted, and I counted 12 lipers, but someone said 14.

So okay 12, 14, whatever.

Yeah, and other cars as well, because I know there's some hot rods that were just so fast they got by you.

Oh, right they didn't get by.

they did not get by, paula, I can promise you that.

So how are things going out here?

Well, and this month, february, has been just as busy as our December's, typically December is our busy.

I know what's up with that.

I don't know it's good for us.

Well, I know it keeps everything busy and you know, the other thing is, every time I come here the cars have moved around.

I did move a couple on you.

You asked if they were new.

I just put them in a different spot.

I see.

Well, because, yeah, because I wasn't, I wasn't used to sitting in Do you actually rearrange these cars yourself?

Well, the guys that work here on the property, they help me move stuff like that.

You coordinate put that one there, move this one here they do all that.

Yeah, I want to be that guy Right.

Yeah, and you know, it seems like every event that you have here you kind of rearrange stuff depending on the event Tables, no tables, some tables not as many tables, that kind of stuff.

Right?

Well, you have to and you want it to look a little different when you come, especially for repeat.

But you know the other thing is that people don't realize that, like, for instance, the bulldog sign.

I saw all the postings on Facebook about raising the bulldog.

That was a was huge.

That was a.

Well, how many days did that take?

Oh, just a couple, because Bill Prokopek, who does the restoration, he's very organized and so he made sure to have a plan before he implemented it, and so it was actually pretty quick once he got started.

Be it to finish building it on the ground, first right those dimensions and then coordinate to put it up.

Right, he made a template and put the template up there to make sure that the bulldog would fit.

I remember that.

And so it was a process, but he hung it pretty quickly.

It's amazing because, you know, the first time I came out here there were a few signs, but nothing like this, nothing.

Right, but even back then people thought it was full.

I know.

It looked full, but it wasn't.

It's not full now you got more space.

No, I'm spot over there.

I'm carrying a hole right up here.

Come on now.

Yeah, we could always find lots of stuff In the meantime.

All of this stuff has gone in here over the past 15 years, something like that.

Well, the Hemi hideout will turn 11 years old in March 11.

And so, a little before completion of what we called complete March 11 years ago, he started buying a few oil and gas signs, gas pumps to decorate the Hemi hideout and then going traveling around the United States to different auctions and listen.

I've heard those stories about that?

Do you go with them?

Have you attended any of those?

To more local, like round top a couple of times a year.

But no, she's talking about trip stuff to Pennsylvania.

I know that, but I didn't know if she was part of that within the organization, going up and maybe have a position for helping out.

A lot of the auctions are also online, so I do look at those to help with that.

Yeah, have fun.

Keep your eyes open for the next big sign Like this one back here.

Right yeah.

Well, it's truly amazing.

I don't know how you do what you do, because it's as I've said before, it's like hurting cats trying to keep all of this going and moving and making sure that everything happens the way that it should.

So you know it's, it's got to be.

It's what a rewarding job that is, though, how fun.

Definitely I love it.

I love other designers and decorators.

Would kill for my job.

Yeah, no doubt.

And you know, every Christmas you do such a great job at the Christmas tree, absolutely In the middle out there, and I'm thinking well, this is what she does, this is not just her hobby, this is her profession.

Right, that's how you really kind of got into all this, wasn't it?

Yes, yeah.

Yeah, john and Diane hired you to help.

Right, well, they first remodeled their home and then another building apartment on the property here, and then John laid out the plans of the Hemi hideout.

Of course it was smaller, it wasn't this, you know five stories tall with patios, and, and I said you know I'm, I'm a, you know I residential, I do homes and he goes it's my garage.

I want you to help me with it.

Garage.

You know, anybody's got a garage like this, john, John yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah, he goes.

You know I'm a part of some different car clubs.

I want a place to come and hang out.

You know, in Texas here it's really hot at times, so I want a place to escape the heat, so I need a kitchen.

We might want to do some pancakes in the morning.

I can go for a pancake right now.

Yeah, that's it yeah.

Then we needed a lounge, you know, to hang out, watch TV and then and then you got a hold of the drawings for the restrooms and went uh no, no, we got to redo that.

Right, we need more than one restroom, yeah, and then we need a separate area.

Yeah, well, I'm glad that you did that.

Well, it's great to talk to you and Shelly, it's, uh, it's really an honor and pleasure to come out here and do these broadcasts.

Thank you, we always have such a good time.

Thank you for having me Absolutely Appreciate you.

Thank, you.

Shelly Gates.

She is Ms Hemi Haida.

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About this episode

A lively discussion unfolds at the Hemi Hideout, featuring anecdotes from the automotive world and personal stories from hosts and guests. Jeff shares five crucial tips for driving manual transmissions, while Bill Scythes reminisces about his experiences with the San Jacinto Corvette Club and his artistic endeavors. The episode highlights the camaraderie among car enthusiasts and the behind-the-scenes work that goes into maintaining the Hemi Hideout, including geothermal innovations and event coordination. The banter is filled with humor, nostalgia, and insights into the automotive community.

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Original notes

Ever tried to whip up an omelet while navigating a stick shift? We don't recommend it, but we sure can laugh about the idea as we reminisce about our automotive escapades, ranging from the mishaps to the marvels. Join us as we recount tales from the San Jacinto Corvette Club and a road trip to Oklahoma City that left our cars and our spirits in need of a little polish. Whether it's the bonds formed on the open road or the gray hairs earned from our adventures, there's a story here for every car enthusiast.

Embarking on a construction project can feel like assembling an engine in the dark, but throw in a bit of geothermal innovation, and you've got the makings of engineering art. We share the ups and downs of creating a geothermal heating marvel over two and a half years – where even a drought can turn into a lucky break. From flagging the site to the final paving, every step was a lesson in coordination and the power of teamwork. And when you see the final structure, you'll understand why every bead of sweat was worth it.

Our journey wouldn't be complete without a nod to the lifelong friendships that fuel our passion for cars. Bill and Don, with their stories of watercolor escapades and mechanical conundrums, remind us that the true horsepower behind our love for cars is the people we share it with. We'll take you through the heartwarming moments of community service that add depth to our lives, without forgetting the chuckles that come with each anecdote. So tune in, lean back, and let's cruise together through an episode that's as much about the rides as it is about the riders.

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