The Ferrari Luce is a Ferrari model that the podcast says is new. People are talking about it because it’s a fresh addition to Ferrari’s lineup. The episode is using it as a headline topic.
The Ferrari 550 is a well-known Ferrari from the 1990s, powered by a V12 engine. It’s the kind of “serious” exotic car you’d expect at a high-quality car meet.
The Range Rover is a luxury SUV made by Land Rover. It’s designed to be comfortable for everyday driving, but it can also handle rough roads. People talk about it because it’s a well-known, upscale vehicle.
“Pecking order” is used here as a social ranking term—who gets recognized, waved in, or treated as more “important” at car meets. In this context, it’s about status and visibility at events rather than a mechanical car concept.
McLaren is a brand that makes high-end supercars. The speaker is saying there were multiple McLarens there, so it was a car meet full of impressive cars.
A Unimog is a rugged Mercedes-Benz work truck built for off-road and heavy-duty jobs. It’s very different from the sports cars being discussed, which is why it stands out.
A memory card is where a camera stores your photos and videos. The host is saying you’d want to arrive early so you don’t run out of space while taking pictures.
The Porsche Carrera GT is a rare, high-performance supercar made by Porsche. It’s the kind of car people notice because it’s uncommon and very fast. The podcast is simply pointing out that one was spotted at the event.
That’s a classic Volkswagen bus with lots of windows along the side. The “21-window” part is the specific version people look for because it has a very distinctive look.
The Volkswagen Bus is a classic van made by Volkswagen. It’s known for being roomy and easy for groups to travel in. The podcast mentions a version with many windows, which is a popular collectible style.
Term
leapers
“Leapers” is slang for something on the road that can jump up or get thrown into your path. The point the host is making is that if you hit it, it’s still considered the driver’s fault.
The Mercedes CLE 300 is a Mercedes-Benz coupe. The host is talking about a version that had an AMG-style kit, which mainly changes the look and feel, and they’re debating how much of it is true AMG engineering.
Structural rigidity is how stiff the car’s body is—how much it twists or flexes. The host is saying the convertible didn’t feel as stiff as expected, which can make it feel less solid when driving.
Infotainment is the screen and software in the car—things like music, maps, and phone controls. The host is saying the system felt confusing or oddly set up.
The S-Class is Mercedes-Benz’s top luxury sedan. In this discussion, it’s mentioned to compare how the car’s controls and menus feel versus other Mercedes models.
Physical buttons are the real knobs/buttons you can press without looking. The host says the car lacked them, so you had to use menus and it was frustrating.
Menus are the on-screen lists you navigate to find a setting or control. The host is saying it’s annoying because you have to hunt through menus instead of using straightforward controls.
A sunroof is the opening in the car’s roof that you can open to let in more light or fresh air. In this story, the problem is that it’s controlled by touch instead of simple buttons.
Haptic feedback is when a touchscreen or control gives you a physical response, like a vibration. The host is saying the sunroof didn’t give that kind of “you pressed it” confirmation.
A subscription here means the car locks some features behind a paid plan. Even if you own the car, you may need to pay monthly/annually to use certain connected functions.
Sat-nav is the car’s built-in GPS for directions. The host says it broke while they were using CarPlay, so the navigation screen got stuck and wouldn’t show the map.
CarPlay is Apple’s way of connecting your iPhone to the car’s screen. In this story, the connection went wrong and the navigation wouldn’t work properly.
That phrase means the car has a turbo engine around 2.0 liters in size. Turbos help smaller engines feel stronger, but they can take a moment to build boost before the power really shows up.
A turbo doesn’t make full power instantly. You press the gas, the turbo has to spin up first, and then it starts pushing harder—so there can be a short delay before it feels strong.
The Mercedes-Benz C-Class is one of Mercedes’ main “everyday luxury” cars. Here, the speaker is saying the C-Class usually feels good to drive, but the Mercedes they’re talking about in this episode didn’t feel as good.
Badge engineering is when two cars are basically the same underneath, but sold under different brand names. The differences are often mostly badges and small cosmetic tweaks.
“Entry point” here means the cheapest or most basic model a brand sells. The host is suggesting that these lower-priced cars may not feel as special as higher-end ones.
Crossovers and SUVs are vehicle categories that have become dominant in many markets, often shifting automakers’ development focus and marketing attention away from traditional sedans and coupes. The host argues that this shift makes it harder for manufacturers to keep the lineup’s “feel” consistent across model tiers.
That “three-pointed star” is the Mercedes-Benz logo. The host is saying that when you buy a Mercedes, people expect a certain level of quality and experience.
Burmeister is a brand name for a higher-end car audio system. They’re saying the car has a premium stereo, which helps explain why it sounds better than cheaper factory setups.
Bose makes audio equipment, and it also makes some car sound systems. In this conversation, they’re saying the car’s stereo is better than a Bose system.
A tax credit is money the government gives you by lowering what you owe in taxes. The host is saying the big EV tax break they used to get is gone now, so EVs cost more than before.
Residual value is what the car is expected to be worth at the end of a lease or deal. The host is saying they’re being offered a buyback price based on that expected future value.
The Volvo EX60 is Volvo’s newer electric SUV, and the host compares it to the XC60 in size/role. They’re interested, but not sure if it’ll be discounted enough to make it a good deal.
The Volvo XC60 is a family-sized SUV made by Volvo. The podcast mentions an electric version called the EX60, which is meant to be similar in size and purpose but powered by electricity. They’re saying it’s pretty good based on what people have shared.
Instead of looking at a normal mirror, a video rear-view mirror uses a camera and shows the view on a screen. Some people feel weird or get motion-sickness-like discomfort from it.
Kia is another car brand that makes electric cars. The speaker is considering Kia as an option, but they’re still deciding how it compares to what they have now.
EV means electric vehicle. It’s a car that runs on electricity from a battery instead of using gasoline.
Brand
G 90
“G 90” is a luxury car model from Genesis. The speaker is saying they can’t afford that kind of car, which helps explain why their EV choices are budget-limited.
Term
110000 dollar
They’re talking about an EV that costs around $110,000. The point is that at that price, you start narrowing what you’re willing to buy.
“Loyalty retention” means deals a brand offers to keep current customers. It’s basically a special offer to encourage you to buy again instead of switching.
The Fiat 500 is a small car designed for city driving. It’s easy to park and maneuver because it’s compact. The podcast is talking about how it used to be more affordable or widely available in the past.
“Electric” here means the car runs on electricity from a battery and uses an electric motor. The speakers are also talking about how the car’s sounds can seem like they’re coming through the cabin.
They’re talking about the car’s sound—something that feels like an engine noise. With electric cars, the sound can be created or enhanced so you still get driving feedback even without a traditional engine.
Volvo EX 60 is a Volvo electric vehicle. The hosts are saying it could be a good “everyday” car that still feels decent to drive, even if one person is really into cars and the other isn’t.
A “press junket” is a media event where car companies invite reporters to check out a new car. The idea here is that Ferrari is choosing who gets invited depending on how people react online.
A “DNA badge” is a label or emblem meant to show what a car is “from” in terms of brand identity. They’re discussing whether this electric car should have a badge that makes it feel more like a Ferrari.
Brand
Dino badge
“Dino” is a Ferrari-related name from the brand’s history. They’re talking about whether putting a Dino-style badge on the car would help it feel more like a Ferrari.
They’re talking about another podcast called “Horsepower Heritage.” The host there, Maurice Merrick, is the one making the points about emissions rules.
These are government rules that limit how much CO2 cars can produce. If the rules get stricter, car companies have to sell more low-emissions vehicles to meet the targets.
This is about meeting emissions targets across all the cars a company sells, not just one model. If the company’s overall average is too high, they have to sell more cleaner cars.
Ford made an electric car called the Mustang Mach-E. It uses the Mustang name, but it’s not a classic Mustang shape, so the host thinks the naming is misleading.
The Porsche 911 is Porsche’s famous sports car. The host is saying people often complain when a new 911 generation comes out, but later they tend to accept it.
“Physical dials” refers to traditional analog gauge instruments (like speedometer/tachometer) with real moving needles and dedicated controls. The host contrasts that with modern screen-based dashboards, arguing that removing physical gauges changes the feel and usability of the cockpit.
The Dodge Charger is a car known for strong performance. It’s been around for many years and is often associated with “muscle” style driving. The podcast is mentioning that the Charger name is being used for electric versions too.
The host is talking about Dodge’s electric take on the Challenger and Charger. They’re saying that if customers don’t like the direction, the brand will have to adjust to win people back.
A “manual car” is one where you change gears yourself using a clutch and a stick. Some enthusiasts like it because it feels more connected to the driving.
Tail lights are the lights on the back of the car. They help other drivers see you, and their shape can make a car look like it belongs to a certain brand.
Zinger is the name the hosts mention for the group that did the lap-record challenge. They’re using it as an example of a more believable marketing approach.
A lap record is a measured time around a track or course. The hosts are saying the company tried to set very fast times in multiple places across North America to build credibility.
“Smoke and mirrors” means something that looks impressive on the surface, but isn’t really as meaningful underneath. The hosts are saying the launch was more show than substance.
A retracting EV charging panel is a design feature where the charging port cover moves in and out rather than being permanently exposed. The “gas flap” comparison is about how some cars use a hinged door for fueling, and here the hosts are pointing to a similar cover concept applied to charging on an EV.
They’re using “consideration” to mean whether someone would seriously think about buying or driving the car. If the price is lower, it’s easier for people to take it seriously.
They’re talking about a big, noticeable update to a car’s design. The idea is that the company is trying to stay appealing as what buyers want changes.
The Renault 5 E-Tech Electric is an electric car based on the Renault 5. It’s meant to look and feel like the older, classic model, but it runs on electricity. The podcast says people like it because it keeps the original spirit.
A hybrid car uses two kinds of power: a gas engine and an electric motor. The electric part can help with acceleration and efficiency, and it’s part of what the ads are promoting here.
The Porsche Taycan is Porsche’s electric car. It’s a big deal because it helped prove that electric cars can be exciting and quick, not just practical.
A memorandum of understanding is basically a “we plan to work together” document. It usually means both sides intend to cooperate, but it may not be the final, fully locked-in deal.
The Chrysler Pacifica is a minivan made for families. It’s built to carry people and gear comfortably. The podcast is joking about a more luxurious, SUV-like version of that kind of vehicle.
Stellantis is a big car company that owns lots of brands. The hosts are basically debating whether its premium cars will sell well, and how that affects what new models it might build.
Jaguar Land Rover is the brand group behind Jaguar and Land Rover. The discussion is about whether their image (premium vs. mainstream) matches what Stellantis is trying to do with cheaper new cars.
The Jeep Wagoneer is a big SUV made by Jeep. It’s aimed at people who want a more premium, higher-end family vehicle. The podcast is talking about how well it sells and whether that strategy works.
The Aston Martin DB9 is a luxury sports car. It’s made to be comfortable for longer drives while still being quick. The podcast is mentioning it as a specific car they saw or talked about.
An engine swap means putting a different engine into the car than it originally had. Here, they’re saying the Aston Martin DB9 was fitted with a Corvette’s LS3 V8, which is a popular modern V8 engine.
“James Bond style” is a reference to the cool, spy-movie vibe—usually flashy or stealthy styling and special touches. The hosts mean the car was customized to look like something from a Bond movie.
Company
Q-Town
Q-Town is the place they sent the car to get worked on. The hosts are using it like “the shop that did the custom build.”
“Flames out the front” means you can see fire coming from the exhaust. It usually happens when fuel is burning in the exhaust instead of only inside the engine.
The Ford Bronco is Ford’s off-road SUV—made to handle rough roads and trails. Here, they’re talking about a special collaboration version of it with an outdoor brand.
Philson is an outdoor gear/outfitter brand. They’re partnering with Ford to do a special Bronco, so it’s meant to feel like it belongs with outdoor adventures.
The McLaren F1 is a legendary supercar with a big V12 engine and a very special design. The “long tail” race version is an aerodynamic update meant to help it stay stable and go faster at speed.
In racing, “fuel” isn’t just gas—it’s the specific kind of fuel used for the car’s engine. Different fuel blends can change how the engine burns and how much power it makes.
The C8 Corvette is the newer Corvette generation from Chevrolet, and it’s mid-engine. Mid-engine cars handle differently than front-engine cars, so cornering can feel very sensitive to setup and tires.
The Gordon Murray Automotive T.50 is a rare, high-performance supercar. It’s designed to be light and fun to drive, with a focus on the driver. The podcast is mentioning it as one of the notable cars in a lineup.
Car
Gordon Murray T50
The Gordon Murray T50 is a supercar designed by Gordon Murray. It’s built to be lightweight and fun to drive, with an engine that’s meant to rev high.
The LaFerrari Aperta is Ferrari’s rare, open-top version of the LaFerrari hypercar. It’s a hybrid and it’s built to be extremely fast and special, with a top-down design.
The McLaren P1 is a high-performance supercar from McLaren that uses a hybrid power system. “HDK” sounds like a specific version or build, meaning they’re talking about a particular car.
The McLaren Senna is a very fast, high-performance supercar made by McLaren. It’s designed to feel especially focused for driving hard, not just cruising. The podcast is mentioning it as part of a group of famous supercars.
The Ferrari F40 is one of the most famous Ferraris ever. It’s known for being a very hardcore, no-nonsense supercar that feels raw and exciting to drive.
The Aston Martin Valhalla is a supercar from Aston Martin. It’s built to be fast and driver-focused, with a layout that’s meant to handle well.
Car
Lamborghini Sesto Elemento
The Lamborghini Sesto Elemento is a supercar made by Lamborghini that’s famous for being extremely light. It’s designed to feel sharp and aggressive, like a track car you can drive on the street.
The Mercedes-Benz SLR McLaren Roadster is a rare, high-performance sports car with the top down. It was made in limited numbers and is known for being a special collaboration. The podcast is calling out a particular special edition/variant they saw.
“E-Class” is Mercedes-Benz’s more mainstream luxury lineup compared to the very top S-Class. It’s still a nice, high-end car, just not the absolute flagship.
Topic
Pebble Beach winners
Pebble Beach is a well-known car show where cars can win awards. If someone says “Pebble Beach winners,” they mean the cars are top-tier and have won there.
This is a special BMW M3 variant called the M3 CS, and in this case it’s the manual-transmission version. It’s meant to be a lighter, more driver-focused M3, and it’s rear-wheel drive.
Here, “demand” means how many people really want a car. The point is that some companies build fewer cars because they know buyers will still want them.
Lucas Montezemolo was a top executive at Ferrari. The host is saying he made a public comment about how Ferrari limits production because it knows people want the cars.
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Welcome to this week's car show, another cruise show this week.
I think it's been a relatively quiet week for car stuff, but Lindsay, you were down in Southern California and visiting old Hans.
Yes, a brief trip down for Memorial Day, and of course I had to hit Crystal Cove.
It was a pretty quiet weekend there car-wise, but even then, you know, quiet at Crystal Cove means that there's a Lamborghini Diablo,
and a Ferrari 550, and three McLarens. There was a really cute vintage Mustang in this, like, kind of, that's not the Porsche color,
but it was like a lava orange, like tangerine-ish, super cute. I was like the ultimate beach car.
A Range Rover in this most brilliant blue mat that was, like, one of those colors that's almost too bright to look at, but it was just spectacular.
I'm like, yes, that's my dream car right there.
Did you take anything fun to the show?
No, I just took my truck, which I do love, though.
Just the truck.
Do you line that up with the other cars, or do you park around the corner, or because this is the dilemma as you roll up to an event, right?
Where do you fit in in the pecking order?
Well, no, I just park because that's what's so funny about Crystal Cove is, like, these cars are not clumped together because it's not official.
People just go hang out because there are not a lot of ocean view parking lots, as I've said.
You know, this parking lot is right on PCH, the center's right on PCH. You can see the ocean, and so it's just a lovely place to go and have a cup of coffee.
And while you're sitting there, it's a rolling car show with some pretty amazing cars, usually.
But they're all mixed in, so I just park with the rest of them.
But I know what you're talking about, because there were several times when I would go up to Good Fibes, and I was in the X3, and I'm like, the soccer mom that got lost and made her way to the Angeles Christ.
Is there such a thing as the introverted car?
Like, even if you have something pretty special, you still don't want to park it, and it's not about not wanting to show it, it's just being very introverted.
Is that a thing?
I think so.
It's like sleeper, right? I mean, what we call sleeper?
I never used to want to show my exotics in Redmond have got a bar, and I made it over the bar, but I never would want to show it, so I would park my portrait around the back.
Just weird. I just didn't want to show it.
Well, there's something nice about kind of being able to slip in and slip out, too.
Yeah.
There's that, right?
Yeah.
And then I think the new, I don't know, bar setters for me are the car spotters or the leapers, right?
At the entrance and exits to these places.
I went to our friend Willis Woods, very first coffee here in Denver on Saturday.
His big hit, ton of people, some really great cars.
I got there a little bit late because there's a lot going on that day.
And as I pull in, there were three or four kids at the entrance with big cameras and none of them gave me a second glance.
And I was all proud of the GT4.
It was freshly cleaned thanks to spider auto detailing and all this.
I thought for sure I get at least one snap.
And then I got there and then I realized, yes, there are multiple McLarens.
There were 24 GTs, you know, there was a Unimog.
There was, I mean, there was some far more interesting.
Really unique stuff.
Stuff.
So I think if you're going to roll up in a GT4 clean or not, you get there early, right?
When they still got lots of storage space on their memory card, right?
But it was deflating.
I mean, it's such a wild scenario where a GT4 is run of the mill, right?
Like that's passe.
You're like, I mean, we're in a pretty great space if that's the case.
But you know what I realized too?
And it was parked again because they're all kind of scattered around.
There was a Carrera GT there on Sunday or Monday morning.
Yeah, there's a place called the Shake Shack.
It's been there forever.
And a gorgeous like 21 window, Volkswagen bus pulled out and two really cute bugs.
And so we were trying to get pictures of them.
So I had to go a little farther south.
And as I went by the center, I looked over and, you know, it's such a distinctive
tail like the struts for the wing.
I saw it and I'm like, I think there's a Carrera GT in there.
Nice.
Yeah, that's nice.
That's pretty great.
Those paparazzi kids have got a nickname.
Have you guys heard this?
Yeah.
Broccarazzi?
Leapers.
Broccarazzi or broccoli heads.
Broccly heads now.
Yeah.
Well, Tori coined broccarazzi over the weekend because there were broccarazzi
all over the parking lot.
And it is interesting because they do seem to be the new gatekeepers.
And we should do like a bracket, brackets or whatever, right?
Like to break down what is it exactly?
Because I think, you know, I would argue if my car had been in something like a
Python green, they would have been all over it, right?
I think color is part of it.
I think rarity is part of it.
I think time of the day is part of it.
But I think they are the new arbiters of taste at cars and coffees everywhere.
There's something about, I think when you grow your hair like that and those days
are long gone for me, but it gives you a sense of an air of authority.
That's right.
It's like, you know, carrying a clipboard.
Yeah.
I mean, I think we're sunk if that's the case.
So yeah, are they called leapers?
I've heard the term leapers.
If you've not heard the term leapers, I think that's an LA thing.
F spot on YouTube uses that term and he seems to know what he's talking about.
So I think that's because it'll be right in front of you, right?
And if you hit them, it's still your fault.
But maybe that broccoli hair will afford some degree of impact protection.
Crumple zone.
That's right.
That's exactly what it looks like.
Broccoli crumple zone.
Well, I was up in Seattle last week and I rented a car.
Nice.
And I did my usual trick.
I went to the rental desk and said, do you have anything fun?
And the gentleman went behind the desk, came back and said, how about a Mercedes?
And I'm not going to turn down a Mercedes.
So this was the CLE.
So it's a two-door coupe.
It was the CLE 300 with some sort of AMG kit.
But I think it's way beyond any engineering from AMG on that car.
But have you guys driven the CLE before I talk about it?
I've got thoughts.
Not yet, but I'm excited to hear your thoughts.
I spent a couple of days in both the coupe and cabrio version of the E53.
So sort of the light AMG.
So the AMG, but not the 63, right?
I thought the coupe was an OK car.
Nothing wowed me.
I was shocked at the lack of structural rigidity in the convertible.
It was a brand new car supplied by Mercedes-Benz.
And it felt like I was in a Chrysler Sebring.
Interesting.
They looked great.
But it wasn't enough power to have me impressed with the power with the 53.
So it just didn't do anything that great.
Maybe you'll agree with me.
I thought the infotainment was a little wacky.
I thought the steering was quite dead.
It just didn't do anything that great.
It felt like a rental car, for lack of a better term.
And it sounds like maybe you had the same impressions.
Yes.
You're saying that was the CLE.
Was it the AMG, though?
Yeah.
So it was what they call the E53.
So it was the AMG, but not the full AMG, right?
And I think you probably had what the CLE, is it the 350?
300.
OK, with maybe the AMG package, the appearance package or something.
So even, you know, lesser on the totem pole, I guess, but not impressed.
Well, this thing, I think, firstly, I got in the car 11,000 miles on the clock.
And we know that mileage on rental cars equates to dog miles in years, right?
Dog years.
Yeah.
So times it by 78 or nine, and you get to the real.
Yeah.
But 11,000 miles.
So it'd obviously been well driven.
Yeah.
They overdo it.
No, it wasn't necessarily a bad thing, but they overdo it with lighting inside the cabin.
Ah, damn, yes.
My God, it was like a, I don't know, I don't know what it was like.
Like a disco from the 80s or something.
But you've got lights everywhere.
Yeah.
Tall rock sand to turn the lights out.
That's right.
Like, yeah, village people are sat in the back.
But yes, it has the iPad screen.
So, so I did a bit of research to see what the average age of a Mercedes owner was in
North America.
And can you guys guess how old the average Mercedes Benz owner is in North America?
I bet it's a lot younger than it used to be.
Yeah.
I'm going to go with 37.
I mean, and I would say it's very model dependent, right?
Something like what you drove more of an entry level car is going to be not to mention the
CLA, right?
But compared to an S class or an SL, I'm sure it's quite, I'll say 41.
So, um, it was 54.
Really?
And the reason I kind of did that research was, you know, no matter what car you have
model in the range, some of the things are going to be the same.
And the technology is going to be very similar as you go through the different, right?
There were no physical buttons was the first issue.
And I guess the older you get, the more you want to touch stuff and not have to search
for things in menus.
Yeah.
That was my first, like the user experience was just shit.
The sunroof to open the sunroof and it took me an hour to figure this out.
You don't press the button, you swipe it.
It's almost like you tend to the sunroof to get the sunroof open.
Um, so.
And it's, it's not, there's no haptic feedback if I recall.
No, no.
So you're just kind of like trying to summon this thing and you don't know which way it's
going to go or what, what's going to happen.
You're just in the car going open sesame.
Yeah.
Casting spells.
I even went to a point where I went into the menu settings and said, turn on the Hey,
Mercedes.
And I went, Hey Mercedes, open the sunroof.
You do not have a subscription.
So, uh, and it was a beautiful sunny day in Seattle.
Are you serious?
Yeah.
You actually encountered the subscription.
For the Mercedes.
I guess if you buy the car, they set you up with a subscription, right?
Yeah.
So cabin was comfortable.
It, you know, nice driving position, but the technology was awful.
I had the sat-nav fail on me twice with car play.
Um, the bright.
How so?
Like with, you mean it just wouldn't connect to car play?
It got stuck on a screen and it wouldn't get back to the map.
Uh, so.
That's not helpful.
You know, that happened twice to me.
Dan, that seems something that doesn't happen ever in cheap cars and only ever happens in
expensive cars.
Or am I wrong?
It's strange, isn't it?
Yeah.
It's super strange.
Maybe they just overrange it in these things to a point where, uh, so, um, it was quite
nippy.
It's a two liter turbos.
You have to spool up the turbo.
Um, I've been, in the past, I've talked about the C class having a great chassis.
This didn't have a great chassis.
You get a bit bigger and it just handling was, uh, in fact, uh, shout out to friend of
the show, Jeff Jones.
I picked Jeff up to go and have some dinner and he's commented to me, this rides like
a Tesla.
Hmm.
So I think Mercedes have gone a long way in the wrong direction when it comes to, I,
I associate them with luxury.
Now I then look, and this base price, and I don't think it was the one I drove, but
maybe the one below was $59,000.
So are we expecting too much from a car if it's $59,000 versus $80,000?
When the average price is 50, is that the, is that the basic now?
I think they're just trying to do too much at that, at that price point.
Could be.
And, uh, but that's a car.
I mean, it's on the low end for Mercedes, right?
As far as on, you know, entry point and all that, that, you know, that's a badge engineered
car, I think, unfortunately, but it's, it's, and I think that's the thing with the modern
Mercedes-Benz lineup.
There, there, it's not, you know, the days of your where, you know, C class just drove
like a smaller E class, which drove like a smaller S class, right?
You just never know quite what you're going to get, right?
And, and I just, I think a car like that is just, I don't know, it just, it doesn't
lose Mercedes in, in the way that even, even a couple of the current models still do.
Yeah.
Well, I mean, I think it's like so many of the manufacturers, when you look at, like
you said, I mean, and it'd be of W is the same.
There used to be a three or five and a seven series and used to have the C and the whatever.
And now it's like with crossovers and SUVs and like all the different, it's like smaller
and smaller slices of the pie.
And I think it's harder to keep it consistent.
And I would argue that, you know, maybe the sedans and coupes aren't getting the attention
that the crossovers and the SUVs are, right?
You know, maybe they're not the big sellers anymore, but I'm so tired of being disappointed
in things, right?
Especially expensive things.
And I think that still qualifies as an expensive car.
It's certainly more than the average car, right?
And it's got a three-pointed star on it.
I mean, there's certain expectations that go with that.
And yeah, there's definitely expectations for that brand.
So Dan, would you like one of my kind of tests for a new car is how intuitive it is to figure
things out.
So would you say it sounds like it was not intuitive at all, especially with the sunroof
issue?
Yeah.
I mean, if it was getting a Doug score, it would get a one for, yeah, I will say the
stereo was good on it.
Like it had a Burmeister stereo and, you know, you look at other brands and that's a $5,000
upgrade, right?
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's not a $5,000 sounding system, but it's certainly better than the Bose or whatever,
which, you know, probably would have come standard with, right?
Yeah.
At least it's a German brand, at least they're sticking with it.
It was a fun car to have for a few days, but like I wouldn't be buying one.
Yeah.
Well, that's a shame.
It's a shame.
So, yeah.
Ryan, you're looking for the next electric car, aren't you?
We are.
You know, as we've talked about, a nauseam on this show, we've got a 2024 Polestar 2.
We got this amazing deal when they were giving out those, throwing out those deals like they
were going out of style, especially here in Colorado.
Of course, we no longer have the $7,500 federal tax credit.
We still have some local credits and that kind of thing.
But there's no getting a $60,000 car for $230 a month in 2026, right?
And I think we're dead set on another EV, especially with the current price of gas.
I mean, how can you go wrong?
And we would keep this thing if we could, but they want to buy back a residual $39,000.
Now, we've only got 15,000, 16,000 miles on the car.
I still don't think it's worth $39,000.
And the sad part is they're going to take this car, which doesn't have a scratch on
it, which has such few miles, and they're going to put it on the lot for $32,000 or
$34,000, but they won't sell it to me because it's artificially inflated.
And so that puts us in a bind.
You know, where do we go from here?
I just saw that the Volvo EX30 has been discontinued.
And I thought, well, maybe that would be a nice little car.
Then I remembered how horrid the interiors were on those things.
And there's a reason that people weren't buying it and now they're discontinued.
Volvo's got the new, I think it's the EX60, which is sort of the new XC60 EV,
which Demiro and others have said is pretty wonderful.
But I just don't know if there will be deals to be found on a car like that.
You know, we could stick with Polestar.
Polestar 3 is a pretty good car, pretty equivalent, I think, to the EX60.
But they're really only dealing on the Polestar 4.
And do you guys know much about the Polestar 4?
No, without the back window.
That's the first thing everyone says, yeah, it has no back window.
And I'm thinking, do I really want to drive a car with no back window?
I mean, if you've ever driven a car with a video rear view mirror, sometimes
there's a leg or, you know, it's just it's not disconcerting.
It's disconcerting.
I think it's nauseating if you look at it too long, right?
It's it's it's sort of like, you know, riding a train backward or something.
It just doesn't seem quite right.
You know, ultimately, it's going to come down to price for us, I think.
Anything is going to seem more expensive than what we're paying now.
And so I'm open to suggestions.
I think EV, I don't know if I can go Hyundai or Kia.
I've told other people to buy them.
But, you know, that's that's tough coming off of Polestar, which is
right with the analysis.
Well, I can't afford one of those G 90s.
And although I am kind of sold on the the pumping of perfume into
the into the cabin while you're driving, but what's not to love?
Yeah, I don't know if you have any ideas probably looking at that
110000 dollar space for an EV don't want anything smaller
than the Polestar to nothing probably larger than an EX 60.
I think there are probably some some loyalty retention type type things
that that Polestar will throw at us when it comes down to it.
But we're looking at probably six to 1600 dollars
for a very similar car to what we have now, which is quite a bit more
right than 230
But you know, those were the days of free fiat 500 ease.
And those days are gone, unfortunately.
And I do think we want to lease.
I don't think we want to buy it because I'm still not the prospect
of buying an electric car and throwing all your all your money
into the into that scares me a little bit still.
So it is not there yet.
Yeah, yeah. Someone said the analogy.
It's like buying cell phones.
You don't buy the phone.
You know, yeah, but how do you move quickly?
That's it. Yeah.
Have a look at Cadillac.
This was a few months ago, maybe two months ago, but someone
was saying there were some good deals to be had on Cadillac.
I don't know if they're still there.
So Molly, my wife says she will not drive again.
I would drive a Cadillac.
Get a Cadillac and a new wife.
Yeah, that's that's that's it.
I'm trying to save money here, Dan.
You know, it's so I'm not against it.
And I think ultimately when it comes down to she's basically
given, you know, trust and trusted me with the process.
And I have a feeling we'll probably.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it is a black wing, but it's electric.
I swear those those engine noises are just being pumped through to the cabin.
But I bet we come home with another Polestar or this Volvo EX 60, which is,
you know, it looks to be a great car.
And I think is a good middle ground for a household where one of us is very much
an enthusiast and the other is very much not.
And it's a car that we share.
So and, you know, when you've already got a sports car, you know, your daily
driver doesn't have to be that right, right?
Should be respectable.
Something else is not, you know, embarrassed to be in school, right?
You know, the tall order.
Yeah, yeah.
So suggestions, give us a shout.
Leave a comment and tell us what Ryan's next car should be.
Yes, yes.
The funnier, the better.
Yeah.
And don't say new Ferrari Luce.
Right. I can't afford.
I know.
Speaking of, what do you guys think?
Are we going there?
Yeah, let's go there because we have to go there.
I've heard a rumor that Ferrari are very much monitoring all the press
feedback on this car and being very selective around future invitations
to press junkets based on how people react to this electric car.
So I love it.
I think it looks amazing.
I mean, I'll say I already ordered one.
I ordered.
I will go against the grain.
It isn't an unattractive car.
It's just not a Ferrari.
Yeah, I think that there's not a molecule of heritage in that thing.
Right. It's fine.
But yeah, it's not a Ferrari.
I think that's the biggest issue is that it's like nowhere in there.
Do you look at it and see even a hint of the heritage of the brand and the design?
I mean, just.
Yeah, question, you guys.
Yeah, which the the internet being so much uproar
if they'd put a DNA badge on it.
Oh, Dan, you know, we've been we've been holding that Dino badge
in our back pockets as a show for a couple of years, right?
We've threatened to pull it out before.
Maybe this was this was that time.
It's, you know, I argue this.
What if it had been what if it had looked like a Ferrari, right?
I mean, are we are we hung up truly on the looks or are we hung up on the EV?
Because our friend, Maurice Merrick at horsepower heritage,
who puts on a great podcast, had some good points.
And it's it's the EU has these these CO2 emissions performance regulations
that are just getting more and more restrictive.
And I think by 2029, he said that fleets must reduce their emissions
by 15 percent and five years later by a 55 percent reduction.
And so, you know, Ferrari is an independent, you know, manufacturer.
They have to find those numbers somewhere, right?
But I look at this thing and it doesn't scream Ferrari.
I look at this thing.
It doesn't scream 500000 dollars, right?
And I look at this thing that doesn't scream Luce for that matter,
which is Italian for for light.
So maybe Dino, you know, Dino was always kind of slapped on.
Well, not always, because there were there were some attractive Dino's over the years.
But but that was put on cars like the three way GT four, which was
probably was was designed down, right?
And maybe that that badge would have worked on this.
What do you think?
Maybe that would have been a better approach.
And it's I don't have like the EV thing doesn't bother me.
Because, like you said, for a million reasons,
nearly all the manufacturers, if not all of them, are doing some sort of EV.
So I didn't give that a second thought.
It reminds me of like when Ford called the Mach E, the Mustang Mach E,
because it you know what it is?
It feels disingenuous, where it's like, we're not stupid.
Yeah, yeah.
Give us the credit of like, hey, guys, we all know this doesn't look like a Ferrari.
Or like, you know, this is not a Mustang.
So do the do the public or do the enthusiasts.
You know, the courtesy of like, just be upfront, just call it a Mach E.
Just call this, I don't know, a Dino, maybe.
There was such condescension, right, from some of the folks
I think involved with the design sort of this, we know better than you do.
And you just wait because in a couple of years, you'll appreciate it kind of thing.
And I think that works for Porsche, right?
I mean, you go back whenever the new 911 comes out, there's some derision, right?
Whether, you know, when the 991 came out, oh, that's too big or whatever.
The 982 came out also too big to the tail lights in the back don't work.
The screens, right?
We got rid of the physical dials, this kind of thing.
And, you know, in retrospect, maybe they didn't know what they were doing,
but I just don't see that happening with this.
And I think they're going to probably end up doing something very, very similar
to what Dodge has done with the electric challenger and charger,
where they're just going to have to have a come to Jesus and just write the ship
because I just don't see this moving forward.
I think they really got caught with their pants down here.
And it's it's it's, you know, they can't can't move forward with what they've got.
Yeah, I mean, we talked a few weeks ago.
Per car, they make the most profit of any car company in the world, right?
So they know things that they know they are doing and doing really well, right?
So I wonder if, you know, this is a we have to do this
because of legal and everything else or the legislation.
I'm hearing more and more strong rumors that there is a manual car coming from Ferrari.
Dave, who listens to the show, sent me a message today to say the Ferrari share
price is completely tanked.
I've not checked it out, but if it has, I would suggest and we are not financial
advice now, but knowing that there is a magical right.
We do keep offering investment advice, though.
That's just like the second or third time recently.
Yes. So I hear that this and I've heard this for two years now.
The first person who told me was a former head of design at an Italian design house.
And I went, I went and throwed them over the the coals, but they said
that there was one coming. So yeah, speaking of Perina, this, you know,
really, things started going downhill once, once I got rid of Pennington.
Yeah. Yeah. And this is just really the, I think the word is nadir, right?
I mean, this really is the the bottom of the of the barrel because what is Ferrari?
What is Ferrari? What is a Ferrari, right?
Is it one of the things you just know it when you see it?
Or is there just this implied notion that there is the spirit of the brand baked in?
And I just, there's just none of that.
This is, it's like you took every other electric car, right?
And sort of threw it all into a bowl and stuck it in the oven.
And this thing came out. Nothing's terrible, but it's not a Ferrari.
Well, it's not. Yeah, it's not engaging. It's not remarkable.
It looks very generic. No.
I was just fact checking myself because Johnny posted about it
and said it was designed by the team behind the iPhone.
So with that context, it makes a little more sense that it came out looking the way it did,
but it still doesn't change the fact that it's like so bland.
I have a question for you both.
How much will the Daytona seats be for this?
Because you know, they're going to offer.
I mean, a lot.
And what a weird, it just, it'll be like a Mr. Potato Head where you're tacking on parts,
you know, in an attempt to try to make it look more Ferrari-like.
And it'll just be a mess when all of a sudden done.
Well, I think what's funny too is like the tail lights actually do look Ferrari.
But the tail lights, it's such a weird like,
it's like they're throwing everybody a bone like, hey, look at the back.
I mean, is there a market for an EV Ferrari?
I think that's my bigger like puzzlement sort of is like, who's going to buy it?
Look at the Tycon. I think up until recently, that's sold pretty well.
I mean, in fact, it was in high demand.
Well, people rave about it.
Yeah. I know whatever said, it was ugly, right?
Just, I wonder what other options you can get for it.
Do you think you can get the hand-painted stripes over the bonnet?
I mean, I feel like you could probably get anything you want for the right price.
We're talking a million-dollar electric car by the time you've brought that thing into it.
I mean, it feels a little bit like, oh, I'm wearing outlet designer brand stuff.
It's like, are people going to buy it for the sake of being able to be like,
I have a Ferrari? It's like, but do you?
Well, I'm going to have to buy it like the other cars.
Well, that's what I'm wondering.
Yeah. And maybe they'll be so heavily discounted, right? Out of necessity.
You know, they've certainly got the fat on the bone or what have you.
But I think we've got all going to be, this is Ryan's next EV.
I'm talking more than $7,000.
We just answered our own question.
But yeah, yeah, I think, you know, if Enzo was alive to see this, you know, it's,
he's going around really quickly right now, six feet under somewhere in Italy, right?
Yeah. That was one of the phrases. That was one of the phrases.
It was something like Chris Harris' quote today, and I'm going to get it wrong.
So listen to that emergency podcast, but it was something about powers by Enzo Ferrari turning
in his grave. As usual said more eloquently, right? Mr. Chris Harris.
They're so funny.
Chris, yeah. But there were a couple of other electric car launches in the past couple of weeks.
Yeah. So Mercedes had a launch. Did you guys see that?
I saw a lot of pictures and posts about it.
I didn't get to go.
I didn't get an invite and I live in the town, not sure they launched it.
But they took over the, is it the sixth street bridge?
Sixth street bridge, which I mean, seems to be something that people need to get places,
but what do I know? Yeah.
And it was a whole week. It wasn't just for one night.
They took over, they had to get planning to take it over for the whole week.
What?
So that would have cost a fortune.
Well, and talk about a mess, traffic wise.
I mean, you closed anything in LA and it just creates havoc.
So then they brought in F1 drivers.
And pretend F1 drivers?
Yeah. They hired Blink 182 and it was funny because about three weeks ago,
I saw an interview with the drummer from Blink 182 and he said, he was interviewed and he said,
you know, are you playing any gigs this year? And he said, we're playing one.
So they're only played one gig all year. And he said, who are you playing for?
And they said, oh, it's a private gig. And they're like, who for Mercedes?
So, and a side track, if you want to save money and do it on a budget Mercedes,
check out Blink 182. There is a Mexican cover band who do covers.
And maybe we can get inserted into this show a quick clip, but they do, they do covers of songs
and specifically Blink 182. So check them out. But I also heard, go on.
I was going to say, is Blink 182, is that the demographic? Obviously they've researched this.
Why Blink 182 of all bands? I mean, what would have been a better alignment there?
Or was that the right alignment? I don't know. It's
The prices, right?
Yeah, I personally think it's not the way to launch a car.
And I'm not I think we can list the ways that this wasn't the way to launch a car, right?
Right, just it's a big check for one night, right? Yeah, you know, look at those guys at Zinger,
right? Yeah, they went and said, we want to go and get the top five lap records in North America.
Right. So they took their electric car and they drove it, I think to every location.
And they got the lap records, right? Yeah, that's the way people are still talking about that two
years later. Yeah, you know, and they made a documentary about it along the way and then
shared that at car week. And it was tremendous. It's real. It's authentic. And this was just a
bunch of literally smoke and mirrors, right? And notice, we haven't even mentioned the car itself,
right? We're talking about the event. But the car itself up until today was the ugliest car that
had been released over the past seven days, right? And to see who's for his biggest fan right now,
Mercedes. Yeah, I hope my Barone. Good Lord. I mean, thank God for Ferrari because we had six
days or whatever it was of our peers, automotive journalists, you know, walking a very thin line,
right? About I've heard other terms used, but trying very hard not to disparage the car itself.
I mean, it must have been a hell of a party, right? And now, of course, we see that with the Ferrari
too. Names that we know that we trust people on YouTube. And they're, they're building up things
like the retracting EV charging panel gas flap thing. It's like this is what they're highlighting,
right? That's what they have to talk about. Yeah, they're doing this really weird dance of not wanting
to offend Mercedes or Ferrari. And I get it. But where's the objectivity? Where's that?
I think the Mercedes launch was like a flash in the pan. At least people are going to be talking
about the Ferrari launch for a while. And it wasn't a special launch. It was just a special car.
And if you're listening Ferrari, I think it looks great. That's right. And the last name is PIL
for the future. But you know how like when the federal government like releases bad news about
the economy, it's always over like the holiday weekend, right? This is exactly what Ferrari
did. And I think that tells you everything you need to know. But yeah, I mean, when you talk about
like the engagement, people talked about the Mercedes for a bit, like talked about the event
kind of in the next couple of days following the event. But so far, Ferrari has definitely
created engagement and discussion. But it's kind of like what was it a year and a half ago? The
Jaguar redesign? I mean, look at the engagement and discourse that was generated by
that. But I think the difference is Jaguar is going to be either now half the price of
is that now a beautiful car? Which one? The Mercedes? The Jaguar? Jaguar, Jaguar, sorry.
Jaguar. Jaguar. That's a good question, Dan. It's all relative, isn't it? It's a
whole relative. Well, I mean, yeah, it's like, you don't go out to the club with all your good
looking friends, do you? You go with your ugly friends. So you don't like the good looking one.
This is the Pilling Club strategy we're finding out. Yes, and that is our... I mean,
I don't think it changes... It doesn't change how I think the car looks, but it definitely
changes sort of where it is in value. Yeah, and consideration, I guess. Because if it looks a
certain way and you feel a certain way about how it looks and the prices in the stratosphere,
then you're like, well, I don't even need to think about it. But if it's in a more affordable range,
then does it make you reconsider, like, okay, well, would I drive it for, you know,
the conversation-starter-ness of it if it was more affordable? Because it would definitely
generate engagement. People would talk to you. What do you think, Ryan?
I don't even know anymore, guys. What's up is down. What's right is wrong.
Let's slowly go on. So that's a yes. Ferrari is sacred, I think, in a way that
is unique, right, to a brand. And this was really sacrilege. This was kind of the last
sacred brand, right? Definitely the high watermark, for sure.
But I mean, I think we're seeing this actually with a lot of kind of the heritage brands. I mean,
again, look at Jaguar tried to do this. And do they know something that we don't in terms of like,
times are changing, the market's changing, what people want is changing, and so they're
feeling like they have to do this drastic redesign to stay relevant for the current
car buyer? Like, is that part of it? I think there are car companies that have got it right.
So you look at Renault. Renault have done an electric Renault 5, and everyone loves it,
right? It plays on history of the car brand. You know, it's a familiar-looking,
but modern technological device. So I think some companies get it right.
And some don't. And Ferrari are in that group. Let's move us away from electric via hybrid,
shall we? We will slowly go off of electric. We'll quietly feel like we're getting raptured
and move on to a new topic. Yeah, because I think we've been this one to death.
Audi have just released a new advertising campaign for the hybrids. I think it's the RS5,
and they have stolen all my ideas. That's how you know they're good.
It's June, July 2021, 2021, four years ago, five years ago. I got to test drive one of the early
Taycans, and I got to write an article on it. And this is way before the film as well. But what
I did is I took the example of Bob Dylan. So if you're not familiar, Bob Dylan was very famous
because in one occasion he went to a music festival, and instead of playing folk as the
history of the festival was, he plugged in an electric guitar. Half the group, half the audience
loved it, half the audience were in uproar. But I compared that moment in musical history
to the coming of age of electric cars with the Porsche Taycan. Well, obviously Audi have got
a lot more budget than I had, so they've just released a video on very similar lines. Right.
Can you believe it? Can I say that? What can I do?
You know, they can at least throw a new car your way, right?
Right. It's a great commercial, right? I think a borrowed idea, but it's a genius
stolen. I mean, there it is. It's in a magazine with a print date. I mean, it's exhibit A, right?
Yeah. What's the argument when certain musicians, they will
sample prior songs? Right. Audi was heavily sampling Dad's article. Yeah. It's like vanilla
rice. Audi of vanilla rice. I was going to say the Sugar Hill gang, but I guess that shows the
difference in ages for us. Well, wasn't there an issue with, wasn't Robin Thicke and like Marvin
Gaye's family a few years ago? Wasn't that what it was? And they were saying he was stolen. That
this does not qualify as sampling. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. Maybe to bring this back to what
we were talking about just before this, maybe it's kind of, maybe we've run out of ideas, right?
There are only so many notes on a musical scale, right? Yeah. Only so many combinations, right?
You can put them in and maybe we just, I don't know, we need a new drug. We need to, you know,
we need to refresh a clean slate. I guarantee you, Audi, watched the film,
a complete unknown. And the advertising agency, that's where they got the idea from.
Right. So, in essence, the movie copied me as well.
I'm straight. And I love it. Also, he loves Ferrari. You have really great ideas. That's what
I'm hearing. That's right. I do. And I'm available for consultation so that we've established now
I'm very good at customer service. So if you're an automotive dealer, but also you want ideas around
advertising new cars, just call on that car show. So, Stellantis have agreed and signed a
memorandum of understanding with Jaguar Landrave. Like, is that one of the best collaborations
in the world to happen or one of the worst? It's wild. And because we have so little information,
they said they're going to share product and technology information, but I'm like,
so what does that mean? I'm so curious because it's such an interesting pairing.
Every Stellantis slash Chrysler slash what is it, Daimler, right? You know,
mashup in the past has been awful, right? So, I don't have high hopes for any sort of partnership
here. It was Myron Vernus, right, when he was talking about a few shows back when he was talking
about the brilliant Greek engineering, you know, added to the British, what was, I can't remember
his. What does he have, that unique car that he has? Relyon. Maybe it was, but they made one in
Greece, right? So, I mean, if the one built in the UK wasn't bad enough, get the one built in
Greece, right? It's that same thing though. Two wrongs don't make a right. And I'm wondering if
that's where this is headed. Well, I mean, I think we like both of them separately. I just,
I'm fascinated to see this unfold because I'm just, I'm really curious what the hope is and what the
intent is. You know, I'm like, does this mean we're going to get like a Range Rover Pacifica?
And then, you know, Angeles Death Highway will just be the happiest, you know, person around.
It's weird though, because you've got, at one point, you've got Jaguar Land Rover who do a
premium product, right? Right. Stellantis, when they do a premium product, it doesn't sell.
Look at the Wagoneer, right? Right. So, okay, so that doesn't work. Stellantis have said they're
going to make probably four or five new cars under 40,000. I can't see that working with
Jaguar Land Rover and their branding. The only thing I can hope for is that they take some of
the ideas from the Jeep and they make a Defender pickup truck. How cool would that be?
Yeah, I could see that being a good marriage partnership, whatever. Like, there's definitely
potential there. I just want to know what the objective is, right? I think for any venture,
there should be an objective clearly stated, right? And everything you do should be done
toward that goal. And I'm not quite sure what that goal is yet. And it's Jaguar Land Rover. I
thought it was just Jaguar. No, Jaguar Land Rover, I think, has a little more to offer.
I was wondering. Go on, Lindsay. No, I mean, I think it's, I mean, I have to think it's economic,
where they think they can kind of share, you know, like develop something and share it across more
of the vehicles. But it's weird. Like, they're, they have such different objectives as companies,
like you were saying, Dan, like one is a premium brand. One is the bulk of the cars are not thought
of as premium necessarily. So it's, it's a curious pair, for sure. I wonder if they're going to let
Land Rover build in a factory in the US. Because that way you would get around. Well,
yeah, Dan, I mean, you look at BMW, Mercedes, what are the cars that you build in
the States? It's their SUVs, right? Yeah. Smart guy, Dan. Interesting. Yeah. An excellent point.
And he's available, ladies and gentlemen. That's right. That's right.
So bring a trailer. I've just posted a car that I can't believe they're allowed to sell.
Well, and it already sold. Did it sell? Okay. So, Shannon, Victoria, who shared this with me.
This was a Aston Martin DB9. So we're definitely out of electric woods right now. It had a Corvette
LS3 V8 swap. And it had gone to Q-Town to be modified in a James Bond style. So,
Lindsay, what did it sell for? So it sold for, and I love this so much. It's so silly, but I love it.
$57,000 and $7. So $57,007. That's brilliant. That's brilliant. I love it. I mean, I'm kind of
disappointed. I would really enjoy a car that shoots flames out the front. Yeah, flames out the
front. Yeah. It's just been taken to town. That's one way to deal with LA traffic. Yeah. Just flames
Yes. Please reach out as we would all love to experience the car in person.
That's right. Ford are doing more collaborations on the Bronco front. Is that right?
Yeah. So they're doing the F-250 and up, I think, with Carhartt. And then now they've announced
that they're going to be doing a Bronco with Philson, which Dan and I are familiar with because
it's an outfitter based in Seattle. And other than they've announced that they're doing a Bronco
with Philson, there are no details yet. But the launch is June 3rd, so we will know soon enough.
Yeah. And in the summer, that head office is a place for cars and coffee.
Yeah. It's a good place to go and they're car people and it's great. I like this partnership.
Yeah. It makes a lot more sense. Yeah. I know the brand name, but I don't know the brand
that well. Is there a signature piece Philson is known for? I mean, I think they make like
premier outdoor, like out, or they're an outdoor outfitter. Yeah. But I think it should be cool.
It should be cool. It's the stuff. Yeah. Okay. Thank you. I don't know why and anything, but...
Shut your mouth. But I feel like the Bronco is, you know, it's long in the tooth,
you know, enough now, right, where maybe it needs a little injection, right, of cool.
And Philson is here with the syringe. That's right. It's a bad image.
No, that's great. Last weekend, the internet broke when it came to cars and coffees because
I don't know if it's a new owner, but someone took a road legal McLaren F1 long tail
to a cars and coffee IKEA. Did you guys see this? I did. I saw that you shared it. Do you know where?
God bless them. I know. Where was this cars and coffee? I mean, obviously IKEA, but do we know
what city? I'll tell you in a second. So it says cars and coffee doesn't say the location.
Yeah, they definitely won cars and coffee that day for sure. Right. Like how'd you beat that?
And I saw the sister car to that a few weeks ago. So I guess I can talk about it.
So a few weeks ago when I went to BMW and we did some filming in South Carolina,
we filmed the McLaren F1 long tail race car. So there'll be a video coming out on that soon
on the Peterson channel. Nice. Yeah, exactly the same branding, I believe, to the thinner fuel.
Yeah. It makes the cars and coffees we go to look a bit bland, doesn't it?
Yeah. Yeah, it definitely blows the career GT out of the water, right?
Yeah. That's the mission in GT4, man. What are we got coming up? Have we got much coming up?
I think hopefully just more driving now that the weather's getting better. I mean,
I say that as it was like pouring rain this morning here, but hopefully in general,
the driving weather is going to be more and more consistent. So just getting out and driving
all the cars, hopefully. How about you guys? I'm off in the morning to three days of driving with
a couple of car buddies. We are headed to Aspen in Virens. And it's about the only time of year I
can afford to stay in Aspen, the mud season. Yes. Yeah, you got to go in the off season.
That's right. That's right. Still expensive. But no, looking forward to it. I think the
fleet is my GT4. We've got a Ruby Star Spider RS and then some sort of very heavily modified
C8 Corvette that I'm sure will take us in the streets, but will choke in the corners. So I'm
looking forward to it. And I'm sure I'll have plenty to talk about when we get back. There's
awesome. I want to give you guys a list of cars that I'm going to see this weekend.
And I am going to say it is a who's who list of cars. I'm going to be heading out to Sonoma Raceway
for Velocity Invitational. So big shout out to Allie and the team who are kind of going to host
me this weekend. Are you ready for this list of cars? Like I'm not sure I believe it until I see
them. Okay. I mean, we're sitting down. Yeah, and listening comfortably. McLaren F1 chassis
number 42. McLaren F1 HDK chassis number 18. McLaren F1 GTR LT 23R. Gordon Murray T50. Gordon
Murray T50. Gordon And guess what? Gordon Murray T50. McLaren
P1. McLaren P1 HDK. I'll make this brief. McLaren Senna. McLaren Senna. La Ferrari Aperta. La
Ferrari Coupe. Endo Ferrari F40. Daytona SB3. Porsche 9118. Porsche
9118. Porsche 9118. Koenigsegg Gekko Absolute. Koenigsegg Aguera RS. Aston Martin Valhalla.
Aston Martin Valhalla. Bugani Hawaii Rabisi. Lamborghini Sesto Elemento.
A Mercedes-Benz SLR. Stirling mass edition. Wow. A few Ford GTs. And then three roofs. And 300 other
cars. So what you're saying is all these people went to the Enterprise Con and they said, do you
have some stories? Yeah, just be careful when you park, huh?
Right. It should be a fun weekend. Have you been to Velocity before then?
I have not. Have you been? I have it and I keep hearing from people that have gone that it's
like just the bee's knees. So I'm very jealous that you get to go and I want to hear about it.
So but I don't think you're going to have an amazing time. I've heard it's like a top notch event.
Is Jorge joining you from tormenting Tarmac? He is not. So he went a couple of years ago,
didn't he? Okay. Yeah. And he got to interview Jensen Budden. That's right. So check out for
his podcast for that. He got to interview. I think he spent some time with the dirtfish folks.
Yeah, he had Josie on there, I think. Yeah. So yeah. A fun interview with Zach Klattman last week
too, which is definitely worth it. He's on fire, isn't he? Shaking out as well. He is.
Yeah. That boy's phone book is kind of popping up now.
Out of him. Like a son he is. You know, a podcast son.
So you got Steve and his mom. You've got Jorge's artificial dad.
That's just from what I was thinking.
Anyway, do we need to give anyone else a shout out before we finish up tonight?
I'm sure we do, but I'll think of it later. Yeah, insert names here. Can we give a
plug to the 150 years of Mercedes-Benz exhibition? 100 years. I'm sorry.
To the Peterson Museum has just opened up a 100 years celebration. It's called World Class.
And that's a play on words, because obviously all the Mercedes have a certain class. S class,
E class, right? Clever. So obviously the company is older than the 100 years,
but when Mercedes and Benz got together, that was 100 years ago.
I see. Okay. Well, that's where my confusion came in, but yeah, that's cool. It looks amazing.
There's a race car in there worth $70 million. There are 22 not one, but two Pebble
Beach winners. Nice. There is Walt Disney's last car. Oh, that's cool. And I won't give
too many others away because, but if you're in LA, actually there's a few right now. So if you're
in LA and you want to go see that, see that. There is also a very limited edition BMW in the
Peterson as well right now. So last weekend, BMW launched in person a new M3 CS manual.
And it's got some stupid German names. So I was going to pronounce it for us.
Yeah, it's called handshaft or something like that.
You know, it's a good time. Yeah, but this is a role reversal because historically,
you know, the Europeans and the Brits get the, the best M cars and the best BMWs,
you know, the M M3 CS wagon touring is available there, but not here.
So this is a bit of a love letter for the end of that model. And they've done a lightweight,
so it's slightly lighter, slightly less horsepower, rear wheel drive only manual M3 CS.
And it's only coming to North America, right? The manual?
Yes. And there's going to be less than one per dealership, which is pretty cool. It's going
to be limited. It's not limited production, but there are limited run. And I think for a month,
it's going to be on display in the museum. So go check it out.
That's awesome. They're taking the, what were you saying Ferrari builds two less cars than
they know they have demand for? Right, right. That he thoughts. Yeah.
And I was talking to someone who actually was that car who was, but was actually there when
they said that. Really? It was in Monterey. It was Lucas Montesemolo in Monterey. And he said it
in public. I was probably not the first and last time he said it, but it was the same time period
where he announced it. I wish I could remember. Let me know who that was takes me. That was you.
The source reveal yourself. By the way, do you know how many people have been hitting me up for
the true identity of Angeles death highway lately? I don't know. I don't think any of us know. So
stop asking, but you protest too much. What caught me by surprise and it makes perfect sense. I just,
because they've kept their identity a secret and you know, you can reach them through the
Instagram account. I wasn't expecting the people that were assuming we knew because we had had them
on the show because I had people say like, well, how did you book them if you don't know who it is?
Which is a reasonable question. Burner phones and voice disguisers. I mean, that's how we roll.
He was very quick, wasn't he, to get the parody video, the Ferrari parody video out.
That's what I was getting at. Yeah. And I can tell you, it's not me, Ferrari. Please,
please. It's not me. And again, that last name spelling is. Yes. Yes. Absolutely. Look,
look very good on a gust placard around his neck. So that's right. Yes. Media credentials, please.
He's been killing it with his videos lately though, because they've been so timely. Yeah. Yeah.
I mean, again, it's like commentary because I'm like, I go watch those and I'm like,
all right, that's what happened. You know, just keeps getting sharper. Yeah. Exactly. I know. No,
but it's, it's been fun hearing people's guesses of who they think it is. Yeah.
And we haven't mentioned Mustard once this whole show. We did well, didn't we? We incust. We almost
made it. Yeah. The feud continues there though. And it's great to be a spectator, isn't it?
I mean, it's my favorite car drama at the moment.
He is piping hot. Probably saying that wrong. Is that a show? I guess that's a show. I think it is.
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About this episode
Hosts kick off with a low-key Crystal Cove weekend where “quiet” still means Lamborghini Diablo, a Ferrari 550, and multiple McLarens—plus jokes about event “pecking order” and the “broccarazzi” gatekeepers of taste. The conversation then pivots to a Mercedes CLE/E53 rental: crumple zones, “no physical buttons,” and a subscription-blocked “Hey Mercedes” sunroof attempt, followed by CarPlay/nav glitches. From there, they broaden into EV shopping, incentives, and brand/marketing debates—ending with rare-car lineups and a BMW M3 CS manual scarcity note.
It’s That Car Show, back with a crew show… And what *don’t* we cover in this one?
What gets you waved in these days at the best cars and coffees? The leapers and the "brocorazzi" are apparently the new gatekeepers. Plus, industry whispers… shhh, Dan rents a Benzo, Lindsey parks a truck, I start shopping for a new car, and, yes… we talk about that damn Ferrari Luce. Give us a follow and don’t forget to rate review and subscribe.
