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Hot Rod Heaven: The 50th Lone Star Street Rod Association

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Welcome to another In Wheel Time podcast.

It's the In Wheel Time Car Talk Show today, coming to you from the Lone Star Street Rod Association State Run in Granbury, texas.

We have attendees lined up and you'll enjoy a few minutes with each of them and we'll have our popular features as well.

So we hope you'll stay with us for today's three hour bonus show.

Howdy Along with Mike out of this world Mars.

We always need more.

Jeff Zekin, chief Engineer David Ainsley, got out of bed and joined us this morning all the way up here close to North Texas and Dallas and that area.

I'm, don Armstrong, glad you could join us.

It's a beautiful day here in Granbury Texas, supposed to get up to, I think, about 92-ish this afternoon, but we're going to be out of here by then.

We've got a three-hour show chocked full of goodness all about cars.

Today we're going to focus on hot rods, restomods and things that may be in your past and may be not, but I think that you'll really enjoy today's show.

As we come to you live from Hewlett Park, we're celebrating the 50th anniversary of the Lone Star Street Rod Association.

Glad that you could join us, and happy Father's Day weekend to everybody as well.

We're not going to worry about parades and riots and any of that sort of thing today.

We have us, we are the riot.

We're the quiet riot.

Yeah, that's it.

See that Mars is showing a little hair on his chest this morning.

Apparently he's feeling a little randy this morning Is it, randy, that's our next guest.

Oh, it's our next guest.

Never mind.

He's away from home today, so our first guest over here is Steven Rogers.

He is the owner, fine owner, of that 1966 Chevrolet.

Were you even born when that car or truck was made?

I was not.

You know how did I?

I just kind of got that feeling.

But I got it as quick as I could.

Yeah, good.

That was my first one.

Really you have more than one.

No, that was my first vehicle.

Oh, it was yes, sir, when you learned how to drive.

Yes, sir Gotcha.

Wow.

Drove it every, every day in high school and, lucky enough, that I've been able to hang on to it all these years.

That's the original one you drove in high school.

Yes sir, 40 years ago.

I've had it 31 years, but it didn't look like that.

You just progressively got it.

It was in good shape when we got it.

We've done things to it along the way, the whole drivetrain everything out and uh, you mean it doesn't have a six cylinder in it?

No, it'd never have a six cylinder in it, it, it never did.

I drove it 22 years I guess, with the uh 283 and three speed on the column yeah and um since then has switched out for the uh 700 r4 and little overdrive, so I don't have to scream so many RPMs to keep up with traffic and the motor is Got a ZZ4 in it.

Now what is?

the ZZ4, if I may ask.

The ZZ4, the 350 small block.

Gotcha.

It was the hot stuff 20, 30 years ago.

Well, I'm sorry, I can't pause for the national anthem.

You can turn down the deal, but at any rate, well, it's a beautiful truck, thank you, and you've done some work to it.

I've done a little bit, excuse me, it needs everything.

Wow Like what.

Excuse me it.

Just after Dad and I worked on a lot of things and kind of, he made a comment of you know that we're about out of stuff to do to it and I said all it needs is everything.

Now Start over.

Just start over with a full frame off and redo the whole thing.

Why it's a 30-foot truck right now?

You get close to it, it's got stuff.

But you drive it yes sir.

Well, that's the most important thing as far as I'm concerned, and that's why it may not be anytime soon that that thing gets torn apart and redone why it may not be anytime soon that uh, that thing gets torn apart and redone.

well, some somebody that has a little experience in that regard um, I bought a brand new 1977 corvette.

Well, that wasn't good enough.

So, um, I had to have the big, expensive paint job put on it and, uh, redid the interior.

It only had like 30 000 miles on it.

It Redid it all Right Biggest mistake I ever made, because then I couldn't drive it Mm-hmm yeah.

And that is one of the beauties of it right now is that I can just throw my chairs and whatever in the back of it and away I go.

Where are you from?

Live up in Little Elm area Okay.

About the other side of dfw from here.

Yeah, so this is.

This is a nice little.

Did you drive down this morning?

Uh drove down uh yesterday okay so you stayed in a motel last night.

Yes, sir, travel lodge didn't stay in the back of the truck or anything.

No, no, that's good yeah, I've uh those.

Hopefully those days are behind me.

Yeah yeah, I, I hear you Well, so you drove it obviously.

Yes, sir, from Little Elm down here.

How'd it do?

Did good, yeah.

And have you ever checked the gas mileage on it?

I'm afraid to yeah.

You got those jets opened up a little bit on it.

Yeah, it's probably a little fat Is it carbureted.

Yes, sir, carbureted it is carbureted.

Okay, so you haven't gone the injection route yet.

Not yet.

Yeah.

Is it in the offing?

Maybe it's in the back of the brain, but it's not one of the top priorities, it's one of those of you know kind of like anything else of time and money and do I want to invest in figuring out a new?

thing?

Yeah, exactly, and if it doesn't flood and it starts all the time, why?

Right now it'll bust right off, and it puts a smile on my face.

Have you always been a car guy.

Yes, sir, you have.

Is this your only one?

That's my only one.

That's not your daily driver, though.

No, sir, no, sir, no, sir, not anymore.

It got retired when I was about 18 or 19.

Really.

Became a toy at that point.

Yeah, and Clearly garage kept.

Yes, sir.

Yeah, I was very fortunate that mom and dad had a place for me to keep it inside and while I was off being dumb in college and learning about life.

Learning to be dumb.

Yes, practicing a lot of practice and just until I kind of I won't say I ever grew up, but until I got to a point where I had a house and a garage of my own.

You see this right here.

We haven't grown up, no, well, no, that part of us never goes away, I think so.

Is that your wife over there?

No, sir, that is a lovely lady that hangs out with me a lot oh.

I'm so sorry.

No, it's good.

Well, welcome to the show.

And now he's going to be a big star and you'll be getting fan mail and all of that through the In Real Time Car Talk Show.

Probably from prisoners.

But yes, fan mail, there's that.

Do you attend this all the time?

Yes, sir.

You have how many years now?

This is probably seven or eight for me, is it?

Well, you're not far behind us.

I think this is our third or fourth, fourth, I believe fourth, yeah and uh, it's been.

It's been a real joy because, um, this is hot rod heaven here, yes and um, you know, when you say hot rods, it has a complete different meaning for everybody, and so I thought well, you know, I think I need to do a little research in the background to hot rods and basically it came post-World War II, that's when the whole hot rod movement started, mainly out of California and, as you can imagine, they were pre-World War II cars.

That guys went into the Army and said you know what?

This doesn't have enough hot rod-ness to it, hot rod-ness, hot rod-ness.

And so we need to, you know, pump up the horsepower a little bit, take those ugly fenders off of there, put some big tires on it and take it to the drag strip.

There's a few of those here.

We saw some coming in just like that.

There are.

And then you've got the tank, the belly tank cars.

Is there one?

of those here.

No, no, no, but you brought.

Yes, triggered that for the hot rods there.

Yeah, so I assume that you have fallen into the hot rod culture.

Yes, and all of these old guys have maybe brought something.

You're thinking, hmm, I could put that on the truck, mm-hmm.

I could make that change to the truck.

There's always You're always stealing ideas.

There's always a wish list, for sure.

Yeah, and always great ideas, and it never fails me of all the years that I've been doing this is that I'll see somebody pull in.

I'm going man, I sure like that go talk to the guy who's always willing and able to talk, and pull ideas from him and then come up with my own concoction and somehow put it on the car truck or whatever it is that I'm driving at the time, so you've kind of fallen into that as well.

Yes, sir.

Very good.

Yep and trying to hopefully pass a little bit of that along to my kids.

How old?

Are your kids 14, 15, and 16.

Oh yeah.

So two of them are still in bed across the street at the hotel.

They're not not real soon, not real early, getting up and going.

Well, that's all right.

So obviously you've indoctrinated them into the hot rod culture.

I'm doing my best.

Well, I think you're doing a fine job.

I haven't met them yet, but they they were going with.

Well, it is Father's Day weekend, okay, dad.

They actually the last, I guess after the first or second year that I think my first year I came was by myself.

The second year I brought the whole family and they.

After that first time they were hooked and every year since they've been asking Dad, when's Granberry, when's that show again.

Really.

And so they, the kids are a big driving force behind making sure that we're here every year.

Have you taken them into any motorsports events circle track, racing, drag racing anything, not a whole lot we have done.

I feel like I might have failed a little bit because I I grew up around the dirt track and then, um, you know, just realized that it was just probably within the last year the first time I even took them to a drag strip or anything.

And they've been around this stuff all their life, sure, um, it just realized when, when we went to, went to the drag strip, and like holy cow, this, holy cow, this is the first time I've brought y'all out here.

I feel like I've failed a little bit here.

Well, guess what?

You better hurry up because it's all fixing to go away pretty soon.

You know that, yes, it is yeah, both of my daughters.

I drug them to every car event that there was known to man.

Oh, dad, it's another car show.

Yeah, you want to go to the drag strip.

Yeah, let's go to the drag strip.

So I took him to everything and you know, you've got a great NHRA event coming up in October down in Ennis.

Okay, and if you ever want, I would encourage every dad especially, or grandfather, whatever if you've never been to an NHRA race, take them to see the real pros and do three-second, you know, 333-mile-an-hour runs, and it's quite impressive.

It gives you a whole different side of our passion, if you will yes, sitting in your spot the nhra drivers.

Okay, the uh, all the big, the big names, so they've been on as well.

And one of the uh I guess one of the cool things about the nhra stuff that I remember from dad taking me when I was a little guy was uh, just all the the interaction that you get and uh absolutely compared to a lot of the other racing where it's harder to get access to the drivers and everything well as you know, you can go right to the pits and you're right there in the pits you're standing, you know, 10 feet away from them, tearing that car apart and putting it back together, and the driver's just part of it, right?

And they'll get out and interacting and talking to everybody.

Yeah, and there's nothing like a good cry session after they fire up one of those top fuel cars.

A little nitromethane in the eye has never hurt anybody.

They should make that a cologne for Christmas time or something.

That would be good.

I'd buy it.

Well, stephen, it's great to talk to you.

Congratulations on a beautiful truck.

Thank you, and listen, don't sweat the little stuff, man.

Enjoy the truck, nah.

It's all good I can have fun with it the way it is right now you don't driving behind.

Uh, the frame off would be to not be black anymore.

Yeah, because I different color yeah, green I love the uh.

I love the black.

It looks good when it's clean, but it's uh I have a black car I know by the time I get to the back of it, it's time to go wipe the front off again.

That's right, I no longer so.

What color would you paint it?

There was a color that I saw a few years ago.

That's been in my mind.

That was on a little Volvo SUV, but it was a.

They called it Amazon Blue was the color, but it was kind of similar to a turquoise kind of in a little bit of a muted color.

It's got a little bit of blue to it, a little bit of green tints to it.

He's already got it picked out, I know have you priced a gallon of it, yet I know, but hopefully if it's being.

Be sure you're sitting down when you do and you may need three gallons.

So there's, that.

Now would you paint it?

yourself.

No, no, no, no, I'm not a painter.

You know I'm not afraid to get my hands into stuff, but luckily I do still have that filter in there of knowing when I'm biting off too much.

You do, yes, exactly.

I think we all do.

There are people that know how to do this stuff better than I do.

Well, hey, man, it's great to have you here.

Thank you, you going back tomorrow.

Tomorrow evening, after everything wraps up, are you going to do the?

cruise this evening.

I believe.

So, yes, sir, good for you?

Yeah, it's tons of fun.

We just got off the hot rod tour of Texas.

Okay.

Are you familiar with that?

I've heard of it that starts down around the coast somewhere.

Yeah, Victoria.

Well, every year they change a different pattern of where they're going to take the tour.

They always start in Victoria.

Yeah, they always start in Victoria.

This year we went through the coast up and then through the eastern part, northern Houston, okay, piney Woods areas and things.

I think we're going to be back to the hill country.

We've been teased on this.

You'd love it.

Oh, yeah, yeah, All the ladies go to the wineries.

We go to the wineries with them and it's a lot of fun.

We get drug along for a change.

It's good, it's good stuff.

Well, stephen, it's great to talk to you.

Thank you so much.

Thank you, yeah, best of luck to you.

Hope to run into you again.

Yes, sir, all right.

Stephen Rogers with his 66 Chevy.

Hey, you can.

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Hey, thanks for joining us today, coming to you today from the Lone Star Street Rod Association, state Run in Granbury, texas, hewlett Park is where we are located.

This is a yearly event and they, lone Star Street Rod, is celebrating their 50th anniversary.

Yes, 50.

50 years.

What were you doing 50 years ago?

I wasn't even born yet Such a liar Hogwash you wish.

I think I was going to college when I was, you know, I don't know.

I was a youngster.

What were you doing 50 years ago?

David Ainsley, Where's your headset?

Put your headset on.

Put that on.

Shut up, David.

Put it on and shut up.

I don't want to hear about your fifth grade experience.

50 years ago.

You were married back then, weren't you?

He's always been married one way or another.

Now he's got a headset.

Yeah, our chief engineer, david Ainsley, hello.

Hello.

So, where were you?

50 years ago?

I was in fifth grade.

Fifth grade when were you living?

Memorial Drive Elementary is where I was, yeah.

Is it still there, Memorial Drive Elementary?

No, they've actually torn it down a year or two ago.

There's a plaque up for his being there.

Memorial.

It says Memorial that's perfect.

So I mentioned earlier about the Hot Rods, and since this is a Hot Rod event, I thought you know, we always have a story of the week at least we try to and this week I thought, oh, since we're doing a hot rod event, let's find out what AI and Google and all that tells us about hot rods.

Okay, so here's from AI.

A hot rod is typically an American car, often an older model that has been rebuilt or modified to increase speed and acceleration.

It's characterized by a stripped-down, souped-up appearance and performance, with a focus on aesthetics and performance rather than comfort or factory-stated features.

While many are built for exhibition or racing, others are used for street driving, which is pretty much the case here.

Yeah, except for those that were trailered in and over at our hotel, there were several trailers parked out in the street, so clearly some were a little bit more proud of their paint job and didn't want to get rock chips.

You don't want to do the 100, 200, 300-mile trip with all the rocks and stuff on a $30,000 paint job I get it.

200, 300-mile trip with all the rocks and stuff on a $30,000 paint job I get it.

So you drive it four or five miles rather than 300.

Yeah, so modified for speed, david.

Like we are at our age.

Hot rods are primarily known for their focus on speed and acceleration, achieved through engine upgrades, suspension modifications and often a stripped-down look to reduce weight.

American cars, typically based on classic American cars such as those from the 1920s and 30s that would be the typical hot rod, at least in my mind, all the way through modern cars.

They can also be hot rotted and clearly that's a big focus for a lot of those folks that are watching listening to the show.

Customization Hot rodders often customize their cars with unique features and designs, including paint jobs, like that truck right there.

Look at that gold paint job.

It's almost blinding.

It is so gold, let's see.

There's no single, universally accepted definition of what constitutes a hot rod, and the term can apply to a wide range of vehicles Street and show cars.

While some hot rods are built for racing, many are intended for street use or for exhibition at car shows.

Hmm you think, evolutionist styles, traditional hot rods.

While traditional hot rods, these often resemble the early hot rods of the 1950s, featuring a stripped-down look with classic features like dropped axles, lake headers and simple paint jobs.

Modern hot rods can incorporate more contemporary styling elements, including advanced technology.

It may be built with a focus on both performance and a polished look.

Origin of the term the origin of the term hot rod is debated, with some suggesting it refers to stolen cars or the high-performance connecting rods in engines.

Those make sense.

Stolen makes sense, think of that.

Others believe it's a shortened version of hot roadster, as roadsters were a popular choice for hot rodders in the early days.

Examples T-buckets Ah, those were made from the Model T, stripped down, changed bigger engines, modified engines, classic hot rods, often featuring a stripped-down T-bucket body style with a chopped top and a modified chassis.

Most of the T-buckets that I know of today are convertibles.

They've turned them into convertibles.

They chop the top on it.

Deuce coupes convertibles They've turned them into convertibles.

They've chopped the top on it.

Deuce coupes Popular hot rods based on 1932 Ford Deuce coupe featuring a variety of modifications and custom paint job.

And then there's the Highboys, another popular hot rod style, often based on 1930s, ford cars known for their high lifted suspension and custom paint.

I don't know about high-lifted suspension.

Well, they just put it on top of the frame.

It would be a high boy.

Well, they'd cut the body down so it would sit lower on the frame Like a channel.

Yeah, that's my version.

How about yours, don't you agree?

Yeah, yeah, he agrees Okay.

Our next guest is here, and I'm just playing off a a hint, since nobody else will join in the conversation, but that's okay, that's right, I'm familiar with it.

You know, hello, nobody.

Yeah, um, so there you have it.

Those are the.

Uh, that's the story of the week.

All right, hot rods good with that.

It's good this story all day?

Yeah, it is, um.

I did want to do recalls, because there are a bunch.

Would you like to guess which one wins the award?

let me get.

Does it start with an f?

um yeah, okay, ferrari, yeah not ferrari, a lincoln nautilus, which is a ford product.

2024 panoramic or center display feature failure.

Traction control indicator light may not illuminate on the mazda mx-5, miata 24 for 25.

Then we have uh also.

Uh, the airbags may not deploy in a crash on the mazda mx-30 and mazda 3, 24 to 25 model years.

Video display may go blank while driving, kind of like my brain.

Uh-oh, cad Cadillac Lyric what 23 to 24.

That's a misprint.

Well, it could be All right.

Kia K5 parking lights may flicker, not good at the drive-in.

Draws attention to the car while you're in there.

Ford Motor Company, here we go.

Airbag status indicator, night light not visible.

Ford maverick for 25.

High voltage battery may short circuit.

In the lincoln aviator for 2020 to 2021, reverse lights may not function.

Ford f-150 for 2021.

Pre-collision assist features may not exist for the ford expedition and the lincoln navigator for the 2020 model year.

Engine failure may cause a fire uh-oh ford escape maverick and corsair from the lincoln thermal events on all those, on all those 2020 through 2023 engine failure on the ford explorer, the f-150 and the ford transit for 2025.

Wow, oops, block heater may overheat and cause a fire underneath the hood.

Now whoa whoa block heater.

And what part of the world it doesn't spy.

No, I know we don't use them down here, but you never know, some of these cars get turned in, moved around the country and that sort of stuff.

Somebody relocates.

Yep, and you've got an engine that has a block heater on it, and these are the ones that are included.

Ford Bronco Sport Escape.

Maverick Corsair Nautilus 2023 to 2025.

Perfect.

Cern Nautilus 2023 to 2025.

Perfect.

Finally, the TPMS light may not eliminate on the Ford F-150 and the F-150 Lightning battery electric vehicle for 2022.

And those are my recalls for the current moment.

Yeah, stand by for more.

Yeah, Ford's got a serious problem and I don't even know what to say about it.

Overall, I like Ford vehicles, but this is a problem that the president and CEO of the company has acknowledged that they need to fix.

When's that going to happen, sir?

Wasn't Ford, the people we were talking last week about the skateboard platforms and how all the motors, eventually, were going to be built by the same company.

Well, that's not going to happen anymore.

Ford, or Stellantis, was saying that.

I think it was Ford, because I thought that was how silly that was.

Well, I think that all of them were at one time going to go to that technology, and I don't think that that's going to happen anymore.

Well, the technology is there, it's just how they adapt it.

Well, yeah, but the skateboard thing is mainly an electric feature.

I believe because it's a flat bed that's full of batteries and then you set a body on top of it and away you go, right.

Well, we were just kind of talking about how he was saying everybody's going to get the same motors, so motors and drivetrains are no longer going to be a distinguisher between the brands or anything.

We just kind of used that as an example, that how else are you going to stay in the street because they all look the same, and it's like the Takata airbags, if everybody gets their motor from the same one.

If they're bad, they're all bad.

They're all bad.

Yeah, so what Mike is referring to is the fact that it has been bantied about that people like Stellantis and Ford and General Motors are going to actually have suppliers that supply the engines, because our generation, we bought cars based on the overall vehicle, including the engine.

You want a six-banger in it or do you want some big block?

You know V8 in there.

Right.

They also did it, but they don't.

Today's buyer is is not buying.

They don't look at a car like that anymore well it used to be.

You buy the car to what you can do to it later that was part of it.

Yeah, part of.

Yeah.

I can upgrade this or that shade tree guys in in the world would okay.

Well, I'm going to put some heads on it.

I'm going to put some valve covers, change the car.

I'm going to put some headers on it.

Headers on, I want to put an exhaust system on it.

I want to put some headers on it.

Headers on it I'm going to put an exhaust system on it In the garage in January I'm going to put an intake on it.

Yeah, I did all that with the Corvette 77 Corvette Put headers on the Nova in January in the mother-in-law's garage.

Yep, in January Froze my you-know-what I was going to say.

All parts of my you-know-what for a break here on the In Wheel Time Car Talk Show.

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Are you monitoring that right now?

I did a few minutes ago.

Yes, sir.

So every once in a while, Mr Morris checks in on it.

So if you've got something that you'd like to convey to us while we're here in Granbury, then please feel free and Mr Mars will bring it to our attention.

And we'll have a guest coming up right after that.

Yeah, we will.

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About this episode

Celebrating the 50th anniversary of the Lone Star Street Rod Association, this episode features lively discussions with attendees at the Granbury, Texas event. The hosts chat with car enthusiasts about their hot rods, including a nostalgic 1966 Chevrolet and the joys of customizing vehicles. The episode dives into the history of hot rods, their evolution, and the culture surrounding them, while also touching on personal stories and experiences from the guests. Listeners will enjoy the camaraderie and shared passion for automotive craftsmanship.

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The rumble of engines, gleaming chrome, and stories spanning generations fill the air as we broadcast live from the Lone Star Street Rod Association's 50th Anniversary State Run in Granbury, Texas. Father's Day weekend provides the perfect backdrop for this celebration of automotive passion that bridges past and present.

Our first guest, Steven Rogers, exemplifies this connection with his beloved 1966 Chevrolet truck. For 31 years, this vehicle has been his constant companion – from high school daily driver to weekend cruiser. "It was in good shape when we got it. We've done things to it along the way," he shares, detailing upgrades from the original 283 engine to a 350 small block and the addition of an overdrive transmission to better handle modern highway speeds. What makes Rogers' story particularly poignant is how he's successfully passed his passion to his teenage children, who now eagerly anticipate this annual gathering.

Between guests, we explore the fascinating history of hot rod culture, which emerged primarily from post-WWII California as enthusiasts modified pre-war cars for increased performance. From traditional T-buckets and Deuce coupes to modern interpretations with advanced technology, the hot rod community continues to thrive by balancing innovation with reverence for automotive history.

Our conversation shifts to the current automotive landscape, including concerning recalls affecting major manufacturers and how buying priorities have evolved across generations. While older enthusiasts often selected vehicles based on engine options and modification potential, today's market reflects different values – raising questions about the future of automotive individuality in an era moving toward standardization.

Throughout the park, fathers introduce children to the joy of motorsports and mechanical tinkering, ensuring these traditions continue despite industry changes. The event isn't just a display of remarkable vehicles; it's a community sharing stories, techniques, and the universal pleasure of automotive creativity.

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