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Nissan Murano CrossCabriolet
A strange car made by Nissan that was a mix between an SUV and a convertible. It had four-wheel drive but only two doors and a soft roof that folded down, making it one of the most unusual-looking cars of its era.
Car
Porsche Cayman
A smaller, two-seat sports car made by Porsche with the engine placed in the middle of the car for great balance. It is highly praised by driving enthusiasts for how well it handles corners.
Car
Ferrari F50
An incredibly rare and expensive supercar made by Ferrari in the 1990s. It used an engine adapted from a Formula 1 race car and is highly sought after by collectors.
Car
Ferrari 288 GTO
A very rare, high-performance Ferrari from the 1980s with a powerful twin-turbo engine. It was built so Ferrari could qualify for a racing series, though the series was canceled before the car could race.
Car
Ferrari 333 SP
A purpose-built, open-cockpit race car made by Ferrari in the 1990s. It was designed purely for professional racing tracks and featured a loud, high-pitched V12 engine.
Person
Benny Caiola
A wealthy real estate developer who was famous for owning one of the largest and most impressive collections of Ferraris and other supercars in the world.
Car
Porsche 911 GT3 RS
A hardcore, race-track-ready version of the famous Porsche 911. It has a massive rear wing for grip and a very loud, powerful engine designed to rev incredibly high.
Car
Porsche 911 R
A special, highly collectible version of the Porsche 911 that was built specifically for driving purists. It featured a powerful race-car engine paired with a traditional manual stick-shift and no giant wing on the back.
Car
Porsche 911 GT3 Touring
A version of the high-performance Porsche 911 GT3 that removes the giant, flashy rear wing. It keeps the incredibly fast engine and track hardware but looks more like a standard, elegant 911.
Term
CPO
A special type of used car sold by official dealerships that comes with an extra warranty from the manufacturer. It means the car has been thoroughly inspected and is guaranteed to be in great condition, though the warranty can be voided if you race the car.
Term
HPDE
An organized event where regular people can pay to drive their own cars on a real race track. It is focused on learning how to drive fast safely with instructors, rather than racing against other cars.
Concept
RWB
A famous Japanese car styling brand that cuts up and widens classic Porsche 911s by hand. The cars end up with massive, bolted-on fenders and giant wings, creating a very aggressive look.
Car
Chevrolet Express
The Express is a large, boxy utility van made by Chevrolet. It is typically used by businesses to haul cargo or by conversion companies to create custom luxury passenger vans.
Car
Dodge Challenger
The Challenger is a large, two-door sports car made by the American brand Dodge. It is designed to look like classic muscle cars from the 1970s and is built for comfortable highway cruising and straight-line speed.
Car
Ferrari 360
The 360 is a fast, two-seat exotic sports car made by Ferrari in the early 2000s. It is known for its loud, high-pitched engine sound and sleek, curvy styling.
Place
Lars Anderson Auto Museum
A famous car museum in Massachusetts that is the oldest of its kind in America. It is a popular spot for local car shows and gatherings.
Car
Honda S2000
A famous two-seat convertible sports car made by Honda. It is loved by enthusiasts because its engine can rev incredibly high—almost like a motorcycle—and it handles corners beautifully.
Person
John Sabo
A local car enthusiast and close friend of the podcast hosts who met them through online car clubs.
Car
Mercury Sable
The Sable was a family car sold by Mercury, a brand that no longer exists. The wagon version was a long, practical car with a large trunk area designed for carrying families and groceries.
Car
Ford Mustang
The Mustang is a sporty two-door car made by Ford. It is highly popular, widely available, and designed to offer fun, fast driving at a relatively affordable price.
Car
BMW Z8
A beautiful, limited-production convertible sports car made by BMW in the early 2000s. It was designed to look like a classic 1950s sports car but featured a modern, powerful V8 engine.
Car
Alpina Z8
This is a special, luxury version of the BMW Z8 sports car. It was modified to be more comfortable and easier to drive, featuring an automatic transmission instead of a manual gear shifter.
Car
Toyota MR2
The MR2 is a small, lightweight two-seat convertible sports car made by Toyota. Its engine is located in the middle of the car, behind the seats, which helps it handle corners very well.
Car
Porsche Boxster Spyder
A special, lighter version of Porsche's convertible Boxster. It has a manual fabric roof and is designed to be as fun and engaging to drive as possible on twisty roads.
Car
Chevrolet Corvette
The Corvette is a high-performance, two-seat sports car made by Chevrolet. In its modern version, the engine is located behind the seats rather than under the front hood to help it handle corners better.
Car
Chevrolet Silverado
This is a large pickup truck made by Chevrolet. The 'LTZ' version means it comes with extra comfort features, leather seats, and advanced technology inside.
Car
911 Porsche Gt3
This is a special, high-performance version of the Porsche 911 sports car. It is designed to be driven on race tracks but is still legal to drive on public roads.
Car
Nissan Sentra
The Sentra is a small, affordable four-door sedan made by Nissan. It is built to be a simple, reliable car for daily commuting.
Car
Fiat 124
This is a small, two-seat convertible sports car made by Fiat. It is designed for fun, open-air driving on twisty roads.
Car
Lamborghini Gallardo
The Gallardo is an older, very fast two-seat supercar made by Lamborghini. It is famous for its loud V10 engine and striking, angular design.
Car
Lamborghini Huracan
The Huracán is a modern, very fast two-seat supercar made by Lamborghini. It features a loud V10 engine and striking, angular bodywork.
Car
Bmw 7
This is the largest and most expensive luxury sedan made by BMW. It is designed to carry passengers in extreme comfort, featuring high-end materials and cutting-edge technology.
Car
Maserati Ghibli
A luxury sedan made by the Italian brand Maserati. While it looks stylish and sounds great, it is famous for losing its value incredibly fast after being bought new.
Car
Audi Rs
This is a luxury, fully electric sports sedan made by Audi. It is designed to be very fast, comfortable for long road trips, and runs entirely on battery power.
Car
Tesla Model
The Model Y is a fully electric, mid-sized family SUV made by Tesla. It runs entirely on battery power and is known for its minimalist interior and large central touchscreen.
Car
Mercedes-Benz Cclass
The C-Class is a relatively small, luxury four-door sedan made by Mercedes-Benz. It is designed for people who want a premium, comfortable daily driver with modern technology.
Car
Ford Crown Victoria P71
The classic, heavy-duty police car used across America for decades. It is famous for being incredibly tough, simple to fix, and comfortable to ride in.
Car
Pontiac Firebird Trans Am
A sporty, classic American muscle car from the 1980s with pop-up headlights and a V8 engine. It was very popular for its aggressive looks and performance.
Car
Ferrari 308 GTS
A classic, wedge-shaped Ferrari sports car from the late 1970s and 80s with a removable roof panel. It is famous for being the car driven in the original 'Magnum, P.I.' television show.
Car
BMW Z3 3.0
A small, fun two-seat convertible sports car made by BMW. The 3.0-liter version has a smooth, powerful six-cylinder engine that makes it very quick and enjoyable to drive.
Car
MGF M Roadster
The MGF is a small, two-seat convertible sports car made by the British brand MG. Its engine is placed behind the driver to help it handle corners better.
Car
Toyota Tacoma
The Tacoma is a medium-sized pickup truck made by Toyota. It is highly regarded for being tough, reliable, and excellent for driving on dirt roads or camping trips.
Car
Dodge Ram
This is a large, powerful pickup truck made by the American brand Ram (formerly part of Dodge). It is built for heavy work, towing, and carrying large items in its cargo bed.
Term
shooting brake
A fancy term for a sporty, two-door station wagon. It looks like a sleek sports coupe in the front but has a squared-off, wagon-style back for extra cargo space.
Car
Porsche Taycan
The Taycan is a fully electric luxury car made by Porsche. It is designed to go very fast while running entirely on battery power instead of gasoline.
Car
Porsche Panamera
The Panamera is a large, luxury four-door car made by Porsche. It is designed for people who want the speed and handling of a sports car but need extra seats and doors for passengers.
Car
Ferrari Ff
The FF is a high-end, extremely fast luxury car made by Ferrari. Unlike most Ferraris, it has four seats, a hatchback-style trunk, and four-wheel drive to help it drive in the snow.
Car
BMW M Coupe
A rare, high-performance BMW sports car from the late 90s and early 2000s. It is famously nicknamed the 'clown shoe' because of its unique, stretched-out hatchback shape.
Car
Bmw Z8
The Z8 is a rare, two-seat convertible sports car made by BMW in the early 2000s. It was designed to look like a classic 1950s car but with modern performance.
Car
Aston Martin Cygnet
A tiny city car that was actually a Toyota but dressed up by Aston Martin with fancy leather and a high price tag. It was built so Aston Martin could meet government fuel economy rules.
Car
Lamborghini Diablo
A wild, wedge-shaped supercar from the 1990s made by Lamborghini. It has doors that open upwards and a massive, loud V12 engine behind the seats.
Car
BMW E63
The 6 Series is a large, luxury two-door sports car made by BMW. It is designed for comfortable, fast highway driving with a high-end interior.
Car
Mercedes-Benz E63 AMG Wagon
A very fast station wagon made by Mercedes-Benz's performance division, AMG. It looks like a normal family car but has a massive, powerful engine that allows it to keep up with supercars.
Car
Toyota Corolla
The Corolla is a compact, highly reliable four-door sedan or hatchback made by Toyota. It is designed to get drivers from point A to point B safely and with very low fuel costs.
Car
Aston Martin V12 Vantage
A gorgeous British sports car where the engineers stuffed a massive, powerful V12 engine into their smallest, lightest car body, creating a very fast and exciting stick-shift machine.
LIVE
OK. Well, welcome to Switchcast Season 7. Your host Doug Tabbot is over there, and I'm your co-host Tyler Sander.
Not often. Good start. Start over. Start over. What do you mean?
Leave it in there. Don't take that. Leave all this in there.
It's all so good. Welcome to Switchcast Season 7. Your host Doug Tabbot is over there on the other mic, and I'm your co-host Tyler Sanders.
Ethan Huffnagle is behind. Another more different mic. Our fearless executive producer.
And Dan, our technical advisor who is scared sometimes, is here as well.
Well, I feel like Ethan is scared of a lot of things.
He might actually be more scared than Dan. Dan likes scary movies.
Ethan's scared to buy an ESOMerano cross-cab.
He's scared of his own success is really just a different way of saying what you've just said.
Yeah.
But Switchcast is the podcast where we know what we're talking about, despite evidence to the contrary.
The automotive podcast, that's not just for car people.
In the show where we seek to edify, educate, and entertain, but in no particular order.
A main course of candor with a side of sarcasm. Switchcast, where we say the quiet parts out loud.
Is that like a recent phrase? I feel like I hear that all the time now. It's just like a trendy phrase.
I think it's on the edge of its, like it's on the downturn, on the downslope.
I see it too much now.
Played out.
Yeah, where it's like anybody that says anything slightly honest, they're like,
Oh my God, they said the quiet part out loud.
It's like, not everything's a conspiracy, because it's trying to say like everything's a conspiracy.
People are not being honest about the, I don't know, the, the, the man, the, the government.
I don't know.
It reminds me of the Seinfeld episode, the hello, la, la, la.
And towards the end, they're just like, yeah, I think that's getting played, played out and Kramer jumps in.
They're like, well, what do you think Kramer goes so played?
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We have limited brain space, but everybody else says our listeners are some big brain individuals.
Yes.
So we thank you for choosing to be edified and educated by our podcast.
If not educated, then at least entertained by our lack of education.
Yes.
And if we need education, go hit us up in the comments.
Nicely, though.
I'm trying to fight.
Be soft on us.
We have feelings.
All right, Doug, since we're doing things backwards today, getting into the warm up lap where we warm up all of the brain juices, all the voice juices so that we can provide the best possible entertainment for you.
Doug, what is fueling the podcast?
What is fueling the podcast?
I can't look too closely at it because I have not.
I got to.
It is Evan Williams single barrel 250th anniversary.
Oh, freedom 250 America.
Because we're timing right up here around 4th of July.
Oh, we are.
Do you have tasting notes, Dan?
Does it taste like a freedom?
No, they're all single.
There's all single barrels, so every single barrel is different.
And who knows?
We'll see.
You saying they're unique like some of them snowflakes?
I should have peeled the wax off on Mike.
Wax on, wax off.
Oh my goodness.
You having trouble over there, Doug?
Oh, there it goes.
Oh, sorry.
Come on.
Here we go.
Second one was still pretty good.
Okay.
Oh boy.
What?
Did you not get that?
Turn the game up on the mic.
That was a really good glug, glug, glug.
All right.
Useless with tasting notes.
Vanilla?
Is there some vanilla in there?
Smells good.
I'm curious what our producer Ethan thinks of it,
because we had Evan Williams' small batch,
and he said it tasted like armpit sweat.
And he was not wrong.
It totally did.
I just said sweat, I think.
I wasn't that.
This doesn't smell like sweat, though.
What the producer's thinking right now is,
man, this plays so well for the audio listeners.
This is getting out the whip.
Why do you think I'm talking through this?
Oh, it smells pretty hot.
I'm going to hold judgment on that.
Speaking of warm-up laps,
I recently, if you're looking for something to do
on YouTube, look up the Porsche Cayman Death Lap.
It is one of the greatest and worst track videos ever.
And a guy definitely does not take a warm-up lap.
He just goes out there,
just heroing it right out of the gate,
out of the pits, completely blows a blend line
straight onto the racing line,
is misshifting fifth to second into the corners,
but then back into third before the corner,
then back to second.
He's all over the place.
The first three corners he blows
and understeers off into the end,
but he and his passenger are laughing about it.
The five to two didn't blow.
It did after the end of the lap,
and he drives for like five seconds,
10 seconds with it going,
and then he finds like, oh, what's that noise?
And then drives another five seconds,
and then white smoke is just billowing out the back.
Rod has exited the chat.
It is wildly entertaining.
The comment section is fantastic, too.
There's pro racers in there like,
you just demonstrated everything to do wrong
at the racetrack.
Here's a list.
So, yeah, we try to warm up a little better than that
so that we don't miss shift on this podcast.
Okay.
Tell the folks at home what you thought about the booze.
Oh, right.
The booze.
I was letting it breathe.
It needs to air out a bit, just like Doug's racing suit.
All right.
She's a hot one.
It was hotter than I expected.
Spicy.
I like the spice.
Good.
I like it.
I know I gave Evan Williams a hard time.
I'm enjoying this.
It does not taste like armpits.
No sweat.
No sweat.
I'm getting no hints of sweat.
The other one did really.
It was bad.
I don't know.
I don't even remember what that was.
Yeah, it was some small.
It was Evan Williams 1783 small patch.
Oh, yeah.
Not good.
Sorry guys.
Which was crazy because it was in this really heavy hitter group of
I know.
Bermans.
But if Evan Williams wants a sponsorship deal, then it was the best in that patch.
It could be.
My opinions can't be bought.
It could be.
Unless there's a lot of money on the table.
Wow.
That's very complex.
Lots of spices going on there.
Well, you I'm going to say that is a 117 proof.
Holy shit.
Look at the bottle.
117.76 1776 told you this is my secret.
Well, not secrets.
My special talent.
No, no, I didn't.
But then I was thinking like, oh, because he just said 117.
Like I could do something to that.
But no, I didn't turn in the fight.
I just guessed.
Yes.
Okay.
So well, listeners, it's going to we started on a high note.
It's going to be all downhill from here.
I don't know what does Tyler think of bourbons a high note.
I like it quite a lot.
I it doesn't smell like nearly 120 proof, which I find interesting.
And I noticed the heat does not hit me until I've like already
tasted like a lot of high proof bourbon bourbons.
The heat smacks you in the face.
This one starts out kind of chill.
And then it like ramps a bit that I enjoy.
So it's just got like a warm up lap.
It does.
Yeah.
Next question is guess the price.
And I think does it have an age statement on it?
I feel like it does have an age on the back $250.
No.
So it says barreled on barreled in 2018 and bottled in 2026.
Okay.
I think they're all around eight years.
So a year 100.
I'm guessing this is the Hyundai.
No, actually no.
75.
I was going to say a $75.
But I don't see Evan Williams going at 100 for this guy.
Ethan can have that.
But I also agree.
75.
Yeah.
Doug have a guess on price?
No.
I don't.
$76.
I mean that's 45 bucks.
Yeah.
Dang.
I would not be unhappy with this.
That's a good deal.
That's a good wish.
Trump is the 47th president of America.
America.
I guess he was a 45th president too, right?
Yeah.
He grew over Cleveland.
All my history fans, you know what I'm talking about.
All my history.
All right.
We've gone off track.
We're in the gravel now.
We've gone off politics.
We've become a bourbon review show.
So sorry to everybody else who doesn't care about bourbon.
This is just what you needed.
It's a bunch of white guys talking about whiskey.
There aren't enough of that.
Now we don't need to gain like 150 pounds now.
And then it'll be like.
Okay.
Yeah.
Doug, we're supposed to talk about candles, I think.
I don't know why.
No, real estate.
Oh, okay.
Because we talk about cars on this podcast and things tangentially related to cars.
The Yankee Candle Founders Estate, according to Boston.com, Boston.
Yankee Candle Founders Estate sells for far below asking price.
This is a giant, giant compound, which has its own water park, golf course, bowling alley,
arcade, spa building, which they didn't list on here, and this lodge that's on the other
side of the property.
I mean, it's got like 78 10 buildings on the property.
It's amazing.
120,000 square foot mansion.
Yes.
That's the main house.
It was asking $23 million for a number of years, and it finally sold for four and a
half million.
Oh.
And it sounds like an ed bullion.
Well, we met right smack dab in the middle.
4.5 million.
The crazy thing is, so I guessed that it cost about half a million dollars just to keep
up every year.
And I was talking to somebody that knows, because I've been to the property multiple times,
and this is how it's correlated.
We'll get there.
And he said, oh, yeah, no, it was 2 million, but you could really see when they like ramped
it down to a million bucks a year in maintenance because it started to like go, the property
went downhill.
Oh.
So that's a crazy amount of money.
So basically they got reimbursed for the last few years of maintenance is what that sale
price is.
So the buyers are a PGA golf pro and his wife, and they're going to make a resort there,
which is good because it could have been turned into a senior living community is what they
were going to do.
That's wild.
But like tear it down and build stuff, I think is what they wanted to do or maybe keep the
main.
I don't know.
Anyway, they're going to make it a resort, which is what it should be because it's got
a lot of cool stuff already there.
It'd be an amazing destination.
And the reason we're talking about this is because the Yankee candle founder, Michael
Kittridge was a prolific car collector, and he had two amazing car barns on the property
with some really, really neat cars.
He had a car museum in Springfield, Massachusetts, but he put more candles there because it made
more money per square foot.
And that was where I saw one of my first F 50s, I think was at that museum.
So actually another story, I saw a 288 GTO earlier that day or the day before a wide
world of cars in New York and they let me back in the service area.
I was like in high school or whatever.
They were super nice and a lot of Benny Kaola's cars were there, like his 333 SP.
He had his logo on the hood of all of his cars.
And one of the service guys is like, man, take a good look at that 288 GTO.
It's probably the only one you'll ever see.
And I saw one the next day at the Yankee candle museum.
Anyway, yeah.
So there's two amazing car barns on this property that are nicely outfitted.
One of them's all finished and has an incredible bar and it's a really cool entertaining space.
And there's still some pretty cool cars in there that are not owned by the family, somebody else.
But those will be leaving.
I'm curious what they're going to do with that now.
I feel like they should have a car museum as part of this resort.
And the building's already there.
Yeah.
Maybe they'll turn them into like indoor tennis courts or something like that.
Anyway, that's a big, big nut because it's not just a $5 million purchase.
It is, you know, the million bucks or so a year to keep that place up.
So yeah, really easy.
Yep.
It is surreal, though, like every time going there.
There's never anybody there, but it's like perfectly manicured.
That would be insane.
I feel like you're in like an apocalypse movie or something.
I feel like it's perfect for like a tax the rich style Jim Conna type thing.
Are they doing anything anymore?
I don't think so.
Not recently.
I've seen one short video that they've done, but in the last few years, but not much.
Let's see.
We've ranted a lot about Boomer boards, especially Porsche people thinking that
they're CXX, which is like special order stuff is, you know, makes their car
really, really special, which it is special order, but like it doesn't make it rare.
So on the flip side of that, there is a true one of one modern GT3 RS,
but Porsche didn't make it.
It is a manual swap 991 GT3 RS that a guy on Wrenlist had done with BGB Motorsports.
Now this was a number of years ago.
This is not new news, but I feel like it's worth calling out.
And it's kind of surreal that this was so long ago because I remember following
this thread on Wrenlist when it was happening because that I obviously didn't
have any kind of money for any sort of GT3.
But I was like, as a young, a much younger enthusiast, very upset that Porsche was
not offering manuals anymore.
And I was like, oh, this guy's going to save it.
I wonder where that car is now.
Is the Vin in the thread?
Probably not.
I don't know why they would.
Yeah, that is that is a very old story.
We'll try to find it and see where the car is now.
Maybe he listens to our podcast.
I don't know.
But didn't he like buy before?
I don't want to start with a bunch of hearsay, but I thought if I remember
correctly, he bought the transmission from a 911 R and because of this whole
process, Porsche then or something related to this process, Porsche then
started requiring a Vin when you ordered certain like 911 R specific parts
because they didn't want people where the theory is they didn't want rings
of bell to make like buying up all these transmissions or something to swap all
these cars and probably because they were using this as a test bed to then
make the 911 touring the 911 R that is or the GT3 touring that they were going
to sell later.
So really cool historical at this point touring has nothing to do with the
transmission.
FYI, the 911 R I feel like was having people talked about it being the 911
R was a precursor to the GT3 touring because it was like that.
We were talking about the transmission.
We are.
But then I got on to the 911 R and started tangents.
Right.
Okay.
I would see it being a precursor to the manual GT3 that they were bringing back,
but they don't have to test a car without a rear wing.
And a GT3, I feel like they did a little there had never been one without a
rear wing, but all they had to do is give it a special name and charge more for
it.
New people would eat it up.
I feel like the touring flex to me is so ridiculous.
I like them better than a regular one, but I would never.
I don't know the fact that people always have to finish.
I have a GT3 with touring.
It's like, I don't know.
I mean, that is less for more literally.
The user that did the swap on the car has not logged into Rennlist in like
two years.
Hmm.
Okay.
Maybe you got tired of people with their CXX flexing.
Porsche's CPO speaking of Porsche being restrictive about what people do with their
cars, Porsche's CPO is getting more restrictive.
According to a poor post I found on Facebook, somebody noted that Porsche
quietly updated its CPO warranty language last year and it's talking about track
use specifically and in section six, exclusions from coverage.
It says the this agreement does not cover the following parts, services, conditions
or events.
Any mechanical breakdown do the due to the operation use or maintenance of the
covered vehicle during a competitive driving event, which is a very broad
definition.
No street takeovers for the GT3RS people.
Any mechanical breakdown that occurs on a racetrack, regardless of whether the
racetrack is available for public use, any mechanical breakdown that occurs while
off-roading, we're using the covered vehicle on non-maintained roads, beaches
or open fields.
Beaches specifically.
That excludes tax the rich right there.
Non-maintained roads.
I mean, that's half the state of Maine.
How do you, so the concerning language in there, other than the fact that Porsche
doesn't want to warranty their cars being on track, even though they advertise
their cars on track as being track capable.
Any mechanical breakdown that occurs on a racetrack, period,
parade laps, for instance.
And somebody responded and said, guys, corporate lawyer here, which he could be
lying, but we're going to assume that he's not.
He says a warranty is a contract.
The contract determines what is covered and what is not because a lot of people
are like, oh, they can't do that.
That's illegal, whatever.
No, it's contract, it's contract.
The language seems reasonably clear, but it's open to interpretation.
I imagine a sophisticated lawyer could make the argument that HPDE,
high performance driving event, is not competitive driving.
But the use of the word breakdown on the track pretty much covers everything,
even if you were simply doing parade laps and the car breaks down.
Arguably, it is not covered.
All I'm saying is because a warranty is a contract, if there's a dispute over
coverage, that is how the matter will be interpreted under contract law.
And so, yeah.
Yikes.
Well, I do wonder how many people have been doing dumb stuff, and we're like,
oh, I'm going to go get this taken care of under warranty and how much money
that's cost Porsche, and now they are a bit strapped for cash.
Like the Cayman death lap.
Yeah, can you imagine guys like, hey, something's wrong, something happened.
I was just cruising down the highway.
Oh, man.
Speaking of CPO, the famous infamous Mint Green GT3, which used to be CPO'd,
is back now at a dealer in Chicago.
This car just cannot find a home with a retail buyer who will track this knot out of it.
Which is like, wouldn't, isn't this kind of a dream, but maybe it's not a dream
for the type of people that I think would be into the car?
Like you literally don't have to worry about it.
Well, you might have to worry about it more, because the structural integrity
of the car is compromised, and it's been beat on quite a bit.
So that could lend itself to more expensive maintenance issues down the road.
The problem is nobody is applying the proper discount to the car,
because these dealers keep overpaying for the dang car,
and so no person who's going to use it as that storied car should be used
is willing to buy it for $200K.
Well, because they keep pricing it like a normal Mint Green GT.
Yeah, normal Mint Green.
I think there's a couple of them, but it's crazy.
There's more than a couple.
Oh, really?
Yeah, I've seen four or 56 of them.
Okay.
Yeah.
Anyway, I think it deserves to get the wide-body kit like redone on the car.
Oh.
That's an homage to what it was.
Maybe put like a bunch of clothes and stuff in there to make it look like you're living out of the car.
But the car's effectively already been ruined, so why not do like a modern RWB?
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Alright, I think we're fully warmed up.
My juices are toasting.
Yes, we are not innervated. We are the opposite.
We're energized.
Jazzed.
Jazzed.
Tyler just did jazz hands for those of you on the audio podcast.
Well, yeah, the audio podcast, but the camera is on.
What does jazz hands sound like if you had to make a sound?
Is it like...
Yeah.
This is what Dan said.
Okay, Tyler, take it away. This is your baby.
We have done a lot of ranting about the car community lately,
and I know that's good for views.
Debating.
Debating.
Honest discussions.
Complaining a bit.
And I have personally talked a lot about gatekeeping being the answer for all of our woes about the modern car community,
but something that I wanted to talk about to kind of counteract that,
and because there might be some of you out there that are saying,
yes, I agree with you 100%, but I'm not inside of the gate.
I'm one of the people being kept out. How do I get in? How do I find my people?
So I thought that we could talk a little bit today about our journeys entering the car community,
how it worked for us. There's a lot of luck involved,
but then also talk about how you can get into your local car community
and get in with the people that are actually going to be fun to hang out with,
fun to take road trips with, fun to go, do a coffee run,
and all the stuff that we talk about being what we actually enjoy about the car community nowadays.
Yes, because I will say as a semi-introvert, what's the new term? Otrovert?
Yes, Doug and I don't really like talking to me.
Well, the whole line that these pay to join car clubs like Porsche Club and Ferrari Club
that are about the make specifically, like you have to have a Porsche in order to be part of it,
but then they say, well, it's not about the cars, it's about the people, and I'm like,
I don't like that people.
Well, yeah, and it's like, are these the kinds of people that you want to hang out with?
The Porsche Club I found out broadly is not.
Yeah, okay, so but every region is different.
Oh, you're saying people in general.
I don't like crowds. new people. I don't like small talk.
I like my people. I was four or no more, okay?
Yeah.
So, but I had to get there at some point.
Exactly.
So I still had to find my four, and that happened organically through the car community.
And so I'm very, very thankful for that as much as I am cynical about the modern era of clout chasing
and Instagram posting and what I view these car clubs as being luxury item social clubs.
And it's like, I don't want that.
I don't want to hang out with other people whose identity is based on them having symbols of wealth.
Yes.
I want to hang out with people who love cars and love cars the same way I do.
And I will say as much as we make fun here, we poke fun at Boomer Boards,
those people do love their cars.
Are they looking for validation? Yes.
Do their cars maybe suck according to us, according to us?
Yes, but they don't according to them.
They love them.
They have their people, whatever.
That's fine.
If you are a Boomer Board person and you have a bone stock V6 Challenger that is built in a Terminator theme
and you want to find other theme car people, okay, great.
That's what we're here to talk about.
But if you're a car person and you want to see cars racing through the woods, flying off jumps
and find those people, because you think car shows are lame, which is about where I'm at at this point in my life.
Yeah.
How do we get there?
So for as critical as we are, it is mostly in fun and is with the understanding that everybody is different
and everybody has their thing.
And when you find your thing, you find people that are like-minded and great friendships and relationships come out of that.
And that's one of the best things about the car community.
And I think in thinking about this topic, I have kind of realized that getting into the right car community nowadays is a bit like dating on dating apps.
Because everyone on the apps actually sucks and finding a real connection is next to impossible.
Because it's all the apps being like all of the Facebook events and cars and coffees and everything is so big and so clout-chasey.
How are you supposed to go where the event is happening to find actual connections with car people?
It's very hard.
Right, because our hangouts are super exclusive.
Yes.
It's the people we already know.
And so it's like I was thinking, my story doesn't count.
I got so-
So why are you telling it?
Because it's funny how ridiculous it is.
Like, I got so unbelievably lucky in that I happened to move into the apartment under Dan, our technical advisor.
And I walked out of my apartment one day and there was a Ferrari 360 sitting in the garage.
I said, that doesn't belong here.
I've got to meet that guy.
And it just so happened that that was the extent of my social energy and readiness.
And Dan is such a social person, he carried it the rest of the way.
Which is funny because I'm a complete introvert too.
But you're so-
No, you're not.
You are so good at making connections and starting up conversation and being interested in stuff that I think it has allowed you to really surround yourself with awesome people.
Like, I'm only here because I know- I'd met Dan.
So that's why I don't think it counts because I didn't have to go to car shows and like talk to people about their cars to then find people I commiserated with and then like hang out with them.
So like, what did you guys do?
I started exotic car dealerships and my entire life was making friends with cars.
Okay.
I don't know if Doug's story counts.
Okay, but we also-
Is that really it though? That like that started it?
No, I was just passionate about cars so I just went everywhere I could. I discovered everything I could.
I mean, I started- when I was a kid, I started finding car shows sort of on the internet.
But even before that, it was- I don't even know.
Like, I was getting mailings for- I think I have their mailing.
Vintage rallies.
Look at this.
Handwritten.
And they spelled my name wrong even back then to my parents house in May 1999, September 28th.
So I would get these mailings for these vintage rallies and I'd find out where they were going and I'd show up with a camera at their hotel stops.
And then I found car events at the Lars Anderson Auto Museum in Boston.
And it was just like chasing, finding, finding, finding.
I did work to go find what I was looking for.
Now, that's not how- I mean, that gave me my fix of cars.
I didn't necessarily make any friends from that because I was young and I didn't have a car and I couldn't participate.
And everybody else was twice my age and, you know, they had a net worth.
So, yeah, Cleveland car community.
I mean, yeah, it started with the car make thing.
I bought an S2000 so I joined the S2000 club and was on the S2000 forums.
And out of that, I've- one of my best friends ever, John Sabo.
But then a whole lot of others, it was like, okay, we were just there because we all had S2000s and we had fun, but there's no lasting connection.
And people got different cars and I don't talk to any of them anymore except one guy who happens to live around the corner and all that.
But yeah, so even with that.
But I do think the one guy that really made an impact being John Sabo has been such a huge part of your life and a really close friend.
Right.
So it's like, yes, there was a lot of connection that was important in the time, but like, woof, like huge moment.
Yes.
Yeah.
But I would say like, yeah, if you're looking for real friendships, I don't think a car community is the place to find it.
You will find like-minded people for the most part, at least about that particular car.
And just like anything else, you may get one or two really awesome friendships out of it.
But like, you know, situations, ebb and flow and life changes and car ownership changes.
And some friendships transcend that, obviously ours have.
But I don't know.
I think of it more as finding the car culture that I want.
Yeah.
And the friendships just happen just kind of naturally.
And I do think that's a really good point and something that I think is a part of the struggle.
But I guess before we get into the, how do we solve the problem or tips for solving the problem?
Dan, how did your journey into the Cleveland car scene start?
Yeah, let's say I was always in the cars from as long as I can remember, but that was not in the Cleveland area.
And even then, like I didn't have any car friends in high school.
I didn't have a car in high school.
I didn't buy my first car till I had my first job after college.
Driving my mom's Mercury Sable wagon is such a hot.
My route was through cars and coffee.
That's how I met Doug, if he remembers.
First time we ever met, he probably doesn't remember.
That's how I just remember our friendship being awesome.
I don't remember the, you know, fledgling era of our relationship.
I knew who you were before I had met you because you sort of were one of the guys who helped run the thing.
And I met Sabo briefly, but I actually got introduced to Sabo a different route through another friend, which is, that's an interesting sidebar story.
But just getting to know people in those early cars and coffee years in Cleveland is I still know a decent amount of them.
Okay, so what about that early era?
So let me describe the cars and coffee for people.
This is not what we know now as cars and coffee.
This is circa 2010.
Yeah, 2009 we started, it was a gathering of like 20 to 30 cars at a lakefront cafe that nobody really knew about.
And it was mostly the same people every week, but they were diverse car collectors.
So the cars scene changed a lot.
Pete Jackson showed up.
I had no idea who he was at the time.
He brought some random car and everyone's like, dude, this is hilarious.
This is like some micro car or something.
And some behavior.
Yeah, just 10 plus years later, I meet him again and become great friends with him.
But it was a very eclectic mix of cars.
It was very organic.
There was no vendors.
There's no flyers.
There's no nothing.
There's no boards.
It was at the time and coffee.
In those years, it's like, what are you doing having a car meet at like 8 in the morning?
Like, are you crazy?
It was the people who liked that type of obscure or exotic or weird or different stuff that like wasn't mainstream car culture.
It was not a car show.
Correct.
And I do think, and I don't want to like jump ahead into this solution, but you said something I didn't think about,
but is related to a show that I really enjoy now.
I do think that if you want to find a down to earth gathering of car people, it starts early.
Because all the big cars and coffees start at like 10 or like 9.
And or it's something where people are destroying the value of their car.
That is where you find the real enthusiast.
Whether it's racing or mountain drives or anything other than parking your show, parking your car and accumulating trophies.
That is where you find, if you're looking for enthusiasts, that's where you find.
And I would think my perspective is that you were looking for enthusiasts because that's who we all are and who we looked for.
You know, if you want to go to a cars and coffee to talk to some dude with a brand new 296 because you think it's really cool.
I don't want to say that guy's not a car enthusiast, but like your chances are that he's more of a money enthusiast, I'll say.
Or like a clout enthusiast or like doesn't want anything to do with you because he's already got his people and he's successful or whatever.
Like that's probably not your vibe.
So like go to where people are enjoying.
I hear what you're trying to say and I feel like you're probably shouldn't say one particular car 296, right?
There's plenty of car guys with the 296.
I think comments are coming after me.
If you have a 296, it's like a guy with a 296, but not in a mainstream meet at something different.
OK, so most of the listeners of our podcast are not the person who have a Mustang that show up, park with six other Mustangs, show up at 7am,
get out their lawn chair and sit there and just wait for people to ask about their car.
Yeah.
So the people watching this are already like more proactive in finding people who are in two cars.
But I think that that's the important thing is is a car show that's infested with boomerboards and trophies and awards
tends to attract people who are self absorbed or like looking for self validation and that doesn't lend itself to building relationships
because building relationships, deep ones means showing an interest in other people and other people's cars and stuff like that.
So I think that's where cars and coffee originally was kind of that that environment of there's there's no trophies.
There are no awards.
You park and you look around and you talk and you engage in discussion.
No one has chairs, at least on the original one.
A thing where it's like you've got the Challenger Club, you've got the Porsche Club, you've got this club, you've got everybody's clicks and everybody's chairs
and they have awards sometimes and stuff like that.
So you have to go to places where people are like naturally outward focused and you have to be outward focused yourself.
If you were showing up with a boomerboard and lawn chair, you're not likely to make friends and find the car culture.
I also think the same might apply to the typical cars and coffee thing of everybody's lining the roadway as you leave or as cars are leaving to watch them do polls or burnouts.
Like that is a very like, I think that lends itself to a very inward focus of I need to show off, I need to be cool.
Like the meets that we like to go to, nobody's standing by the side of the road taking photos of cars as they leave.
Like we're maybe listening as somebody doesn't, you know, drives away because we like the sound of their car makes, but it's not like this event where you need to show off.
But I don't want in that same breath or that same sentence, many breaths, to say that people who are there without a car shouldn't be welcome because I think that is...
I mean, the first like, oh, jeez, I started going to cars and coffees like 2009, 2010.
I didn't have a worthy car at all until 2016.
But in that time, I met so many people, quite a handful are still pretty good friends of mine.
That you just, yeah, it's sort of, you have to be social and it's...
You're respectful, knowledgeable and interested.
Like Bob Knedinger, who helped us start it, drove a Lincoln town car, but he just proved himself as an enthusiast.
He loved cars and he just wanted to be there.
And like, you're right.
Like people say, oh, you're punching down or whatever, you're being gatekeeper or snobby or whatever.
But I didn't...
The reality is, we don't care if people have nice cars or not.
Yeah, we don't care if people have nice cars.
What we're pushing back against is where people are trying to gain their importance and gain self-focus and attention and followers and whatever based on their car.
Because that's just not an attitude that we identify with.
And I think that's what we're really like pushing back against.
Because a lot of these cars are amazing.
The CXX Porsches have some awesome specs.
Yes.
But it's like, if that's the identity of yourself or your car, then whatever.
So, back to what you said about the poles.
I get that that is engendering not the best culture at cars and coffee.
But at the same time, that's what racing is.
Especially rallying.
That's people lining the streets, lining the roadways for people to rip on their cars.
I feel like, in a sense, that's real car culture.
That's what Woodward Dream Cruise is.
I love that.
I just don't love...
I get where you're going in terms of the clout and obviously everybody's wrecking.
But if we could have that but have it with good drivers, I love it.
I love hearing people do burnouts and exhaust just friggin' banging off the rev limiter and stuff.
I think it's giving people a platform for those activities.
Who shouldn't have a platform.
Because a rally driver...
That's what people say about us.
Who gave them a mic?
White guys with a mic.
Another podcast.
Anyway, it's giving people a stage and a platform that really shouldn't.
If you're a rally driver, I'm going to go watch you and also fear for my life because you never know what's going to happen.
I've seen many scary videos but also awesome videos of rally drivers.
I think not everybody can do that but it makes people think they can.
So then they make poor decisions or they look like fools or they need to try to posture and puff their chest out.
Which is not what I want from a car community.
I don't want people chasing cars.
I'm like, oh my god, that's a six pack. How did you afford it?
And it's like, okay...
And when things get about the money too is where I just really shut down.
What do you do for a living?
That's very good.
That can be a valid question in the right...
Well, when I was a kid, yes.
Like, oh my god, how do I achieve owning a Porsche or a Lamborghini?
Which I won't.
But you know, I did the first one.
And it's like, okay, how do I get that track?
But then it became so much about like, it's a show piece or a trophy of your success outwardly.
I've definitely shied away from value discussions lately.
Like even at Sandhills, somebody was admiring my Z8.
And they're like, oh yeah, those have held their value pretty well.
And I'm like, I'm out.
Don't care.
Yeah, like it's just...
Let's talk about how good it is to drive or what mods have you done or whatever.
So yeah, it takes a little bit of work to find your people.
But I think in summary, like what Dan did, the being...
How did you say it, Doug?
Respectful, knowledgeable and...
Interested.
And interested.
Be those things.
Just like dating.
Yeah, honestly.
You have to show interest.
Show interest?
You can't be yourself the whole time.
It's like the old Garfield line.
Or no, it was...
Yeah, Garfield is on a date.
Garfield the cat.
And he's talking about himself and he goes, okay, enough of me talking about me.
Now you talk about me.
And if that's you in the car community, that's why you're not finding your people.
Yeah, and I know it's probably hard for some people, but just be socially aware.
Try to read people too.
That's what I do.
And you can quickly figure out, oh, this is my cup of tea or this isn't at Meets.
And if somebody's rude to you or standoffish or doesn't really participate in a conversation,
if you're putting yourself out there and you get kind of a bit of a rejection,
you probably didn't want to hang out with them anyway.
So no matter how cool their car is or in dating, how hot the other human is,
they're kind of terrible.
You probably don't want to hang out with them.
So...
Oh boy.
That brings us to Plate to Sample.
Plate to Sample is a game created by Dr. Hoover from Soul and Spine.
And it is the game where we read off a vanity plate,
and the other host has to guess what vehicle it is on based on the stereotype,
because we've just spent how many minutes talking about stereotypes in car culture.
Stereotypes exist for a reason.
But this is a fun one.
It's a popular one.
So, you want to go first time?
Yeah, I've got some good plates.
I think I do too.
People have been submitting some fire to switchcast.live,
which is where you can give me some plates to try to trump Doug.
There's a forum on there that Ethan, our Fearless or Fearful producer,
I don't know which one has put together.
You can send me a little message, submit some plates,
and we'll see if we can trip Doug up.
It's really fun when he doesn't know what to say.
Which is most of them.
First one for you, Doug.
Coming from ENM.
Eight legs.
Spider. It's a Boxster Spider or an MR2 Spider.
It's a Boxster Spider.
Boxster Spider. First guess. I am amazing at this game.
Wasn't I just saying that?
Sure. What's your first plate for me, Doug?
First plate for you is...
I apologize, I don't...
Oh, I think I took this picture myself.
Never seen mud.
Is this a, like, Maulcrawler Jeep or G-Wagen?
Mm-mm.
Never seen mud.
I'll give you a hint.
What kind of car would have a plate or somebody would say never seen rain?
Oh, like a Corvette.
Oh, my God, is this like a lifted Corvette or something?
No.
I mean, kind of.
Chevrolet Silverado LTZ.
Oh, okay.
What an interesting flex.
I think it's a joke. He's poking fun at himself.
Oh, okay.
Which is a key part of finding a good car community.
Callback, be able to make fun of yourself.
Yes.
I think you had humble in your notes.
Recognize if your car isn't good enough for a certain meat and don't care.
Just be like, I want to meet the people.
The important thing...
Appreciate the cars that are there.
Is that you like your car and you just appreciate being a car enthusiast,
but don't tell people about your car only.
Like Doug said, you got to talk about other people too.
All right.
Not a real.
Not a real.
Yep. And not like a fishing reel.
We're talking like R-E-A-L.
Not a real.
A fake?
Is it a kit car?
New.
A fakey fake.
See, now we're tripping them up.
Thank you, Michael F.
Yeah, I don't know what my shoes are laced with,
but I've been tripping all day.
I don't know.
This is a Mustang Mach-E.
Not a real Mustang.
All right.
So we've got two self-aware people with our first plates.
Dude, I like that plate a lot.
We couldn't have planned this any better.
Okay, this one from Dr. Hoover of Solar Spine.
Ohio plate, Mr. Stig.
We did Mrs. Stig a long time ago.
Mr. Stig.
Is this a like Mercedes AMG?
No.
A Porsche GT3?
No.
It's another like track car.
Oh my gosh, it's like no.
Think lower credit score.
Lower credit.
Oh, that's gonna be offensive.
Is it an S2000?
No.
Okay, what is it?
Nissan Sentra SV.
Which if it was a Lamborghini,
that would stand for Super Veloce, but it isn't.
I don't know what it stands for.
Nissan actually.
Probably stands for like super value.
GV and Ugo is great value.
Yeah.
All right, next one for you, Doug,
from Josh B SPF Zero.
It's a convertible of some sort.
Is it also a Boxster Spider?
No, it's not.
I was just curious if you would...
There's many, many convertibles.
Ford Mustang.
It's a Fiat 124.
But I liked SPF Zero.
I just thought that was great.
All right, this one from Davin Holcomb.
I might have used this one before.
I apologize, I did have a Dropbox glitch
where stuff just like reloaded itself
that I had deleted.
But I don't think I have.
It's so good it's worth it again.
Rip 401k.
We've had a few of these.
I don't remember if this is the car is expensive
and theoretically pulled money out of the 401k,
or if it's like a banker's car.
I don't know.
I'm going to say, I don't know, a Gallardo
or a Huracan.
A 911, a Mercedes.
Think more like terrible investment
depreciation.
That's where they're going with the plate.
BMW 7 Series.
Like a Bentley.
Worse.
An Aston Martin.
Maserati Ghibli.
S.
Oh, man.
Eurus LOL
is the next one from Jerry M.
Audi RS Q8.
I think so. It's D-Badge.
So I don't know.
I am on tonight.
On this one from
Reddy Solbaron.
Texas plate.
Eye candy.
It's a Mustang.
Corvette.
C8 Corvette.
You probably described this.
Yeah, exactly.
Alright, the last plate for you, Doug.
This is from Jeremiah H.
Mach Y.
Also a Mustang Mach E.
Negative.
I don't know.
Dodge Stealth.
I don't know.
I can't believe this got you.
It is a Tesla Model Y.
Because it's like the shape
kind of of the Mach E,
the Mach Y.
I think it's created.
Maybe they think it's because it's like
it's super fast.
No, no, I think it's because it's like the same shape.
The eggy crossover shape.
Okay.
Yeah, I get that.
Alright, this one.
This one from Richard
Quisenberry.
Up for repo.
Up for repo.
Is this like
an Ultima
or some Nissan?
No, literally when he sent it to me
he said it'd be way cooler
if it was on an Ultima.
Oh, no.
Is it just like a normal Mercedes,
like a C-Class or something?
No, it's a repo truck.
It's a tow truck.
Well, that's kind of disappointing.
That person is not that
self-aware.
They're just advertising
what they do.
Well, that was a great game.
Thank you everybody for participating,
for guessing in your heads or on your keyboards
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Let's
talk about
policing.
I had the
fortune,
good fortune of going for a ride
along this past week
at the local police department, which I haven't
done in a while.
It was
moderately exciting.
Nothing really crazy.
But as with
everything, I'm looking to
what can I take away from this?
What can I observe? What are the patterns?
But before we talk about that,
I want to cover a couple articles about
policing in general that is
some pretty
major blunders
lately and kind of like I think
why people
see cops the way
they do, at least the ones who see them
in a negative light. Because there's certainly
a lot of
pretty crazy things that they do.
The first one
is similar to what we talked about recently.
So there was
a cop
who got fired, an Arkansas state trooper
who had
pit-maneuvered the wrong car.
And it was painfully
obvious that it was the wrong car because
it was this white
Hyundai Santa Fe crossover
and he pit
a full-size GMC
suburban. So not even close.
This one was a little bit
more
hilarious, an Indiana state trooper
which they are not ones to be
messed with, FYI.
They're not so crazy about pits,
but do their speed stuff
they will arrest anybody
for like reckless driving
for more than like 20, 30 over.
They're nuts about it
and they have a lot of unmarked cars.
So trooper clocks
a vehicle at 121 miles
an hour.
Whips around through the median
goes back to try to catch up to it.
There's a line
of five black
SUVs.
And I will admit
all modern cars
kind of look the same.
And they're all mid-size SUVs.
There's like a Chevy. There's a Dodge.
The first one I think is a Dodge.
There's a GMC. There's a Jeep.
There's a GMC and there's a
Kia or a Hyundai. And they are just all
right in a line. So he pulls over.
It is crazy. It's just a line
of like the exact same looking car
all kind of traveling the same speed wild.
So he pulls over the one in front
and
realizes it's the wrong one
and he goes, no, no, no.
The driver says there's a car
flew by me at 120 miles
an hour. Go get them.
Okay, whoops, sorry. Oh, no, no.
The first way he didn't, he just pulled up next to him
and his other cop was like
no, that's not the right car.
So then he goes
and pulls over a second one
and then realizes that's also
the wrong one. Because the driver goes
you got the wrong guy. He was up there and he's like
oh, thank you. And he like
pulls over a third one.
I'm like, ah, third one. He's got it.
And the chicks like, no, no,
it was the Kia. Go get
the Kia. Well, and he was like, is there
reason for your speed today? And she was like,
are you talking about the other one?
And he's like, oh, thank you. Let me go
first and like rockets away.
So he finally pulls over the Kia.
So he pulled over four out of
the five black SUVs.
Again,
I can't fault him for this one because
I can't tell the difference
either. But
if anything, his determination
should be commended because I would
have given up after like, ah,
just embarrassed.
This is why, side note,
a lot of people advocate for front
license plates because he could have
potentially gotten a reading on the front
plate and then correctly identify
the vehicle. And after having
done my ride along, I can
kind of see the argument
for front plates.
But it makes my car look worse, Doug.
I get it. That's,
Maybe it's only
a law for pedestrian cars or something
or it should only be for people with
warrants. That's, I mean, it's
kind of like how other,
some other laws are, they think
they work. Anyway, we're not going to go down that road.
But the guy pulls
over three incorrect cars and then
pulls over the fourth one.
I get the mistake, but he
proceeds to arrest this chick
for speeding, impounds
her car and takes her to jail.
Yeah, he's like, can you step out
of the car, step back here, starts handcuffiners,
like you're arrested for reckless.
Also puts her in the front seat of the cruiser,
which is, I didn't think a thing they did.
Yeah, it's like a nonviolent crime
or whatever it'll do that. Okay, that felt
kind of weird. But I was
like, dude, you have to
know at this point
that this is going to get thrown out.
Like, there's no way
when her lawyer pulls the body cam
that you're going to be able to make a
case for like, yeah, I'm positive
it was that car that was speeding.
That's true. Well, also, typically when you
give somebody a ticket, like if you go to court
and really fight it, you have to have both
the evidence of the radar and
you have to identify the vehicle
that's speeding. You can't just like point a radar
blindly. Yeah, you have to
visually identify the car that's speeding.
So it's like he
I'm no lawyer,
but all the internet lawyers
in the comments are like, she's getting
out of this. Like I don't know how
I feel like at that point the cop would
have had enough self-awareness to go.
Listen, I'm going to give
you a ticket you need to slow down.
Yeah, like the arrest
is wide. Also, maybe
I lost this at the beginning. How did
he because he was driving down the road.
How did he rate it?
Was it something mounted on the roof that was
checking speed? No, it was a divided
highway and he's just he had his radar on
and it measures speed of
oncoming traffic. Gotcha. Yeah, it
subtracts the officer speed.
Like the more advanced ones will measure
they can take up to five readings
and parse out like the
fastest and the second fastest so
it can show you like
the reading of the two fastest
vehicles that are
coming up on your screen.
So there's that one
which is
hilarious. It's a strange
but I also can't
the person who is actually
speeding just staying
on the highway in this line of traffic
as the cop is like flying
around obviously
trying to pull somebody over in a black
crossover I would have noped out of there so
fast. Which is I'm not
advocating running for law enforcement but like I would
make myself make yourself. They're not chasing you
yet. Yeah, they're not technically
running.
And she was smart. She just didn't say anything.
Yeah, at that point, if you know
they're not sure then definitely don't admit
anything. Do you know I pulled you over? No, I don't
know. It doesn't look like there's any
exits though. Like I'm flinging through the video
now.
But like, yeah, it's like, you know, I don't know.
While he's distracted, just flip a U.
E.
Not advocating for running from
the cops. Worse here, we've got
some hypocrisy. A Stark County police
sergeant is facing several charges
according to WFMJ.com
after police say he was driving
under the influence with weapons
before running from officers
in Austin town on
Sunday.
Sergeant
Ethan Griffith with the Alliance
Police Department was arrested early Sunday morning
he had
will say allegedly for everything
but there's cameras and stuff so
we think it happened.
They responded to a traffic accident.
His truck crashed into
a utility pole
and then tried to leave the scene
but the truck broke down
so he basically
ditched it at a gas station
and ran from them
on foot
and tried to climb a fence
to get away from the police.
I guess he did get away
and then he turned himself in later
claimed
that he was being chased by another
vehicle. Rumor has it
there was some sort of bar altercation
or whatever before that so he
yeah, real
real, real winner
here.
But
the
report states the police found a loaded
Glock 19 with one live round
and unloaded AR-15 with loaded
ammunition magazines
SWAT gear with helmet and night
vision equipment and one
unloaded handgun.
And he was driving under the influence
allegedly.
He was arrested on charges of obstructing official
business driving under the influence
and possession of firearms while
intoxicated.
No felony eluding
you know
the one round in the pistol
gives me a concern
we don't know
that it was chambered
but still like
just feels like
yeah, I mean
it's all bad
it's all bad
but
he hasn't been fired yet
well I'm not surprised
he hasn't been
fired yet
that is
that is a problem
people on the internet
who do stupid stuff get fired
quicker than that because the companies go
we don't want people associated
with our organization
who have this lack of character
like it's not even anything that they do while
they're on the job or representing their company
but they do something that's so egregious
in the public's eyes or it goes viral
that they get fired from their jobs
because the companies are just like
we don't want the smoke
and we want people of character working for
our company or at least if they're not going
to have character we don't want it coming into
the public light so
they get fired
I read an article recently I don't even remember
what it was but it was some random person
got fired from their job
for that exact reason they did something
on their own time that reflected
poorly on the company when
people started digging into it and this is
a cop who is
likely arrested other people for DUI
put them in jail
likely affected those people's employment
and he's expected to
enforce the law
and
drive safely and have
all sorts of ability to make judgments
and operate in stressful
situations and etc etc
the dude needs to get fired
period
I don't
it's like
Meredith in the office
selling
trading gift cards
for other types of favors
for discounts
on paper
and they say I don't see
how this ends with you keeping your job
so I don't see how
this ends with this police sergeant
keeping his job but
because of our society he probably will
or he'll get moved to another department
or something like that but
I think that's why when we get pulled
over for speeding we're all a little bit
cynical because we're like well you know
you can get away with the
DUI and wrecking and having weapons
but the rest of us can't so
anyway
on that we're gonna flip it around and go okay
I got to do a ride along
and it was pretty awesome because I got
to see the other side
of things with a highly
trained veteran cop who
is respectable
and just an awesome
guy
the
takeaway from this and this is
in a pretty big
like
I want to say high crime area but there's a lot
to do this is not like your
rich suburb where they're
writing parking tickets
what department
or do you
know what to say
start
county
so
anyway
cop seem to be
and this is a high crime high drug rate
town lots of meth
but in all of that it seemed
like cops are mostly
like social workers and family
therapists you hear people
who talk about wanting to have like community
policing and they want to have
people trained and psychology
and stuff like that and I'm like you know what
it's actually
okay they can't go to
domestic
situations in progress it could be
violent but a lot of the calls that we
went to like four of them I remember
out of like six
were
I think you just need a therapist
like the cops don't
need to be here the initial
call sounded like okay somebody
might get hurt or there could be violence
or something and they all ended up
just being like
you need somebody to talk you through it right
we got called to a domestic
and it was literally just like
two people fighting
and somebody else in the
house got tired of it and so they called the cops
cops did not need to be there
chased down a kid
that had
left his house okay
he needed to get some air and get away from his mom
they were fighting whatever you know
but the
level of
empathy and compassion that the officer
I was riding with had to have was
pretty incredible because you have
to go from one to the next knowing that you can't
like ultimately
solve the problem for this person
like you're there for half an hour or an hour
and you get to interact with them
and maybe point them in the right
direction but then you leave
and it's like well
they're on their own might get called back here
tomorrow or the next day
so that was kind of tough
although the officer as with
says you really enjoys that part of it like
being able to speak into people's lives
which is good because
I would just want to arrest people
give me crime let me throw them in jail
move on
um
the other thing along that line is
it is unreal what
people call the cops
for
and I'm sure it's worse in like a HOA
Karen
white rich suburb
but in this town
like
the stuff that we got called for
like the kid quote unquote running away
from home
she wanted the cops to find them and we're sitting
there talking to her
and as we're talking to her the kid rides by
and we're like is that him oh yeah it's him
like he wasn't going far
he just like he and his mom
at a tiff she's a single mom she's working hard
it's a difficult situation seemed like
she was a great mom kid had some behavior issues
he got on his bike
and rode around the block and I'm like
if I was a kid that would just be like
okay
he went out to blow some steam off
and he'll be back
like calling the cops for that
and then it basically became a chase
of a kid on a bike and like
yeah like it ended up being
fine and but I'm like
you called the cops for that and then we went
straight from that to a domestic which wasn't
a domestic it was literally
when I talked to the lady outside
or she was talking to me
and
and she's like yeah just my mom's
sick of them fighting and so we called
the cops I'm like
because they're arguing
that's wild
deal with your stuff this is not
cops and then the last one
was
we got called
for an accident a deer hit
this girl's car
like ran out in front of it and hit it
and we get called there and I'm looking
at the front of her car and I'm like
so where
where did
you hit the deer exactly
like was it just so
banged up already no
there was nothing there's like a little
spot of blood and like a little bit of
fur but there was zero damage I'm like
the deer probably maybe broke a toenail
and I'm like
you called the cops for this
like you keep
driving but
we had to go out and thankfully
we didn't do an accident report or anything
but it was just like no I think she did want
to report but report on what
I don't know
but it's just amazing
the level
of stuff that people think that cops
need to be involved in so I understand
their frustration in
not being able to deal with really important
stuff because it's just constant calls
and the government red tape was even worse while
we're on the road he gets called back to the
station and took like an hour
took him off the road for an hour for him to
add three letters to a report
that got cut off in the print
that the clerk could have done
but she said no it's your
responsibility to do that
so an hour of a cop not policing
the streets to add three
letters to a report
or he could have
done it at the end of his shift or something like
here's a stack of paperwork I'm just like
this is government
this is government for ya
but I do think it's interesting that you have come
to a similar conclusion that I have
seen online in that if there was
and there's
many things maybe packaged in this
but if there was some level of additional
support
or these folks knew about the additional
support for
social worker type issues
the cops could focus more on
doing what they should
and cops are not necessarily trained
with the skills
to handle those types of issues
so they're probably not the best people to call
in that situation but we have
like sometimes or a lot of the
times that's the only option or folks don't
know of another option because they don't know
what social work help was
available in their area or something but it's
interesting that you've kind of come to the same conclusion
that like wow a lot of this is not
actually what we would consider police
work yeah yeah
um the
the last takeaway was cop cars are
terribly maintained but we already knew
that always amazing how
bad shape they are like his breaks
were pulsing
like crazy
and we're expecting these cars to like potentially
chase somebody yes
I mean it makes my
point more clear like this chick that got pulled over
121 okay her Kia shouldn't
be doing that but if I'm doing it my
Mercedes AMG and a cop pulls me over
in his explorer on
bald snow tires
and he's like that's dangerous I'm like now
you chasing me down is
dangerous wait I'm good
I feel like a long time ago
when I was I was potentially searching for
a crown a p71 crown Vic
I thought the like
the the the story
was that they're very well maintained oil
changes every 5000 miles to get everything
they need because they're every 5000 miles
is also 5000
hours because they run
all day they run
that his car never shut off
which is also kind of crazy
yeah
no it's
it's really too bad
I mean they need better equipment
bring back the crown Vic
bring back the crown Vic
all right our shrewd negotiator for the evening
which is somebody trying
way too hard typically on
Facebook marketplace this 1986
Pontiac Firebird Transam
Machiavelli
something cool and different
read description
this is not a kick car all caps
it is a one of 12 made in
1986 for all the haters
that have nothing better to do than bash and talk
crap about something they have no interest in
I figure I'll just get this out of the way
first although I'm positive
they'll still have something to say
so here goes no it's not a real Ferrari
and know what don't look exactly
like a Ferrari because it's not a real
Ferrari but it is a pretty cool
car blah blah blah the runs and drives and gets
a thumbs up and positive comments all the
time if it really did then why are you
so defensive sir
apparently you're not getting positive
comments all the time
it's pretty cool and rare car look it up
for more cool facts about this car an example
how Philip Michael Thomas who played
tubs on the old Miami Vice was actually
the owner of Machiavelli and featured it in scenes
of the show which pissed Ferrari
off Google it for all the info on this
what rare one of 12 classic
here we go
the car started off life as a new
1986 Firebird Transam
and made to look like the Ferrari
308 GTS
it is not a kit car
but
but
fully modified in
86 by Henderson Motorworks of Keebiscayne Florida
Ferrari ended up suing the Machiavelli
company because of its likeness and use
of the original Ferrari 308 GTS
parts blah blah blah
listen
a Pontiac mirror is the only
lookalike that isn't
a kit car because Pontiac
made it from the factory
if you take a Pontiac
and a dealer or somebody
not the manufacturer tries to
make it look like a Ferrari
then it's a kit car
ok fine it's not a kit
like our friend with the fake
says I prefer the term replica
yes ok you
couldn't buy a kit to
to build this yourself fine
but
it was it's a
it's a fake replica
it's a fake let's
just call it what it is but he's only asking
17.5 so at least he's not trying
to get like 50 G's which is what
some of these kit car people are so but anyway
super super defensive
they're asking for it
asking for it some
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Doug what is good
at switch cars?
Lots of things are good but they have
a 2001
BMW Z3
3.0
5 speed
Ethan, Oxford Green we're pointing at you Ethan
Ethan, Oxford Green
Oh this color is hot
It is, I paint your Z8 this color
It is between
at the moment Oxford Green
liquid
metal
liquid green metallic
I think it is called the Porsche color
and Zuro California
those are my three finals
This Oxford Green is slightly tealy like my
dark teal was
So, hot take
I would take a 3.0L Z3
over an M Roadster
Really? Why is that? Please show your work
I spilt
It is proportionally better
I think the M Roadster looks
a little bit caricature-ish
and I guess I don't like
the wheels
I think the Z3 is perfect
It's everything you would want
The M Roadsters are a little wide
aren't they? Yes
They are wider and it just
I don't know why I think it looks
like a banana because it doesn't
Cause you've only seen yellow ones Doug?
I don't know
They're cool
I don't dislike M Roadsters
I think I'd rather have a 3.0L Z3
It's the top of the line one
I don't know
It's all you need
and the green color is awesome
I stare at that car every time I walk by
Tyler
Our flop of the week
which I also had on my list
I had screenshot it so I'm glad you picked this one
Tell us about
the flop
The flop coming to us from Carscoops.com
is apparently that in making
a patriotic
t-shirt
the Ram Company
has accidentally put a Toyota Tacoma
on the shirt
The glory of
using generative AI
in corporate America
So this shirt let me paint a picture
for you
It's truck climbing up some rocks
American flag in the background that I don't
actually think has 50 stars on it
I haven't counted
No, it doesn't
No, it doesn't
Is this some revisionism?
American flag in the background
and a truck that says
Ram on the grill
Does it sure look like a Toyota Tacoma?
So
whoops
You should know your own company
Please do better
Doug is still counting stars
No, I'm counting stripes
There's 11 stripes on the flag
Well, and this is after
they had already gotten
dragged according to the drive
for posting some AI generated
slop on its social media channels
So Ram is
Yeah, it's not the first
time they've done this
But you know, I bet they sold a lot
of those shirts
Honestly, I would buy one now
I just googled really quick
and it looks like there's a lot
of like third party companies
making them and selling them now
Well, if AI did it
they probably are having a made like
shop team or whatever is
fulfilling the orders anyway, so
Oh man, the Ram 2026
Ram patriotic unisex t-shirt is
404 not found
I was gonna buy one then
There's a joke there, but I think
that is the joke
Gosh, this just
is proof that we still need some humans
in this AI
Or at least over
a hellscape. Yeah, I want to know
what they actually printed it, or if they put it up
as a pre-sale and then they're like, oops
It would be amazing. If they actually made those
if they were just cases
of t-shirts or just like
massive boxes. Oh, you would have bought them all
for their employees
Prop of the
week, there's a company called
Indecent Vehicles
which is
apparently making
a Porsche 911
shooting break
This looks genuinely amazing
Yeah, it
it looks kind of like a
CG or an AI
generated
rendering
but they're
actually gonna make it, so they're gonna take
a Porsche 991
I think it is, yep
and for
$350,000
they'll turn the car
into a two door
station wagon shooting break as they would say
in
Listeners, if you can imagine a 911
and then essentially
the roof line of
a Taycan Sport Turismo
or Panamera Sport Turismo just like
grafted onto the bum
It's a pretty good look
Yeah, it's
a
better looking than the Ferrari FF
for sure
I think it's better looking than the clown shoe
speaking of BMW M's
I love
the clown shoe. It's pretty awesome
And I do think it looks a lot better than
the Rinspeed 996
that looked
wild
That's kind of the same thing, the Rinspeed
Bedouin? Bedouin?
Bedouin? Bedouin?
I don't know. Do you know what I'm talking about Doug?
No. I'll have to show you. This looks
bananas. Alright
Well, we're just happy that somebody
is taking a wild idea, especially
anything in wagon form and making it
a reality because we need
more wagons
in the world. Speaking of
this is a bonus
bonus here. Let's speak
wagons. Let's talk about a kind of
mid-year update on cost of ownership
of our cars
So every year we do
smiles per miles
per dollars
Yeah, so
I have been
putting off some work
in the wagon that I think is finally going to need
to be done. So mid-year update
zero dollars, but half
two is not looking good.
The car always cost me two to 3000 dollars
and I do not doubt that this year will be no different.
Let's see mid-year update
I have sold
my wife's E350
and got her an E450
convertible
huge mistake
but it happened. I bought
a BMW Z8
Definitely not a huge mistake. Big win
Big win. I bought a
Scion Signet Fakie
which we've talked about before
Not many miles put on that
but I did do like a service as soon as
I got it. So the 600 dollars
equates to a high cost per mile
so far
Maroon 6 have put
like 3000
2500 miles on already
and spent a couple grand on
Corvette I've spent zero
so far it needs to do for service
because I think I spent zero last year
and you probably haven't driven it very much
I only drove it 500 miles but it does
need fluids change and stuff
the
Diablo is
900 bucks in maintenance
so far
but the check engine light came back on
after being off for like 500 miles
so but cosmetics
yeah repainted the bumpers
so yeah that was expensive
the E63
wagon is about
to get real expensive because that
cylinder five misfire that we were chasing
half number two
is
a bad cylinder head which is
apparently now
common issue
on that and yikes
and I just got the
kind of like while you're in their
recommendations and they want to do a
whole cooling system refresh because it's
the original water pump
original cooling hoses and
a whole bunch of other stuff the belt is
slipping off of the water pump pulley I think
and just like stuff that they're like yeah this stuff
needs done and
we're taking apart the engine anyway so
oh boy
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yes please
please I might need to buy a lift from
Race Tools Direct to start
maintaining my own cars
I've yeah I need just I need
a whole out I want to
outfit my garage with tools because
I'm
yeah after having
some things fixed and having to
have them done again I'm like okay some of
this stuff I could do or I'm
just gonna stink and figure it out
I do like the sense of doing some stuff
with my car to figure it out to become
closer with the machine but sometimes
it's nice to have a good shop to
to take it to sure for the more
advanced stuff I don't want to do a head
and a cooling system refresh on my
E63 I think
even with YouTube I'm not sure
that I wouldn't screw that up
I'm quite sure that I might
screw it up
but a lot of other stuff I could
and would do myself but it's like I've got to
have all the tools like I literally like I'll bring
home three or four tools I need
from the shop and be like alright can I borrow this
this weekend alright I'm gonna do this and then take
it back and then alright I'm on to a new thing and
it's it's a big investment
a bit troublesome
to work on your own cars well I guess
if you have one car it isn't
if I had a Toyota Corolla it wouldn't be but
just need to get the special
oil filter wrench and that's all
nothing but good news
so far on the GT3 this year
I have put in total 4000 miles on the car
since I've had it and
I did tires and fluids
and a whack load of cosmetic things
and little touches to make it more of
what I wanted out of the car but maintenance
wise I think it's like three to three
and a half thousand dollars
and it's and you're like
a lot of that stuff will be amortized out
so like you can put more miles on it
yeah I'm driving it
to work I took it to the grocery store a couple
of times I don't care I
sweet love it sweet oh
I also bought an Aston Martin
V12 vintage manual so
we're gonna have updates on a lot of cars at the
end of the year it's here okay
getting new coils nice
yeah everything
has check engine lights this year
everything
what
yeah maybe maybe
for me see Dan says that now his alpha
is gonna pop one on the way home and the million mile
Ferrari is getting close ish
I dropped the starter off to a starter rebuild place so
I said ish
is it well
he's talking from over there from a Pugeot
that hasn't moved under its own power in
a minute I think so
that car
the closer it gets
the farther away it gets because when I got it
the starter was fine when I
got it the battery was fine there's all sorts
of things that were fine when I got it that aren't
fine now after we
spent a fortune
addressing things that could have been not
fine
stupid
that's a flop of the week
is every week me still
having that stupid car
is it sunk cost fallacy
now that you're just like I have to see it run
why I just have like
you can't sell a project that's almost done
well that's true because it would
it would sell for like what it would have sold
for when you started yes
yeah I have to at least
get it running and driving under its own power and then
then I can go okay well it's
it's a crappy Ferrari
that probably needs some more sorting
but it runs and drives here you go
yeah
so
yes
well and that on a downer
boy that real really
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About this episode
Hosts Doug Tabbot and Tyler Sanders kick off the season with a high-proof bourbon tasting before diving into the wild "Porsche Cayman Death Lap" viral video. The crew discusses the massive real estate markdown of the Yankee Candle founder's estate, highlighting its incredible car barns and legendary collection. They share personal stories of how they first broke into the automotive community, offering practical advice on how listeners can find their own niche, attend local meets, and build lasting connections within the car culture.
Alpina Z8
Aston Martin Cygnet
Aston Martin V12 Vantage
Audi RS e-tron GT
BMW 6 Series
BMW 7 Series
BMW M Coupe (E36)
BMW Z3
BMW Z8 Roadster (E52)
Chevrolet Corvette
Chevrolet Express
Chevrolet Silverado
Dodge Challenger
Dodge Ram
Ferrari 288 GTO
Ferrari 308 GTS
Ferrari 360
Ferrari F50
Ferrari FF
Fiat 124 GT Abarth
Ford Crown Victoria
Ford Mustang
Honda S2000
Lamborghini Diablo
Lamborghini Gallardo
Lamborghini Huracan
Maserati Ghibli
Mercedes-Benz C-Class
Mercedes-Benz E 63 AMG
Mercury Sable
MG MGF
Nissan Murano
Nissan Sentra
Pontiac Firebird
Porsche 911
Porsche Boxster
Porsche Cayman
Porsche Panamera
Porsche Taycan
Tesla Model Y
Toyota Corolla
Toyota MR2
Toyota Tacoma
Original notes
We've ranted/debated about the current state of car culture several times on the podcast, but this week, let's look at the car community in a more positive light, discussing how we got involved in our local car scene and how you can, as well.
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