I Drove Chinese Cars in America! Making Sense of the Jaguar Rebrand! Miura Fire?

I Drove Chinese Cars in America! Making Sense of the Jaguar Rebrand! Miura Fire? THIS CAR POD! with Doug DeMuro & Friends! · Nov 22, 2024

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Jaguar XJ

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Jaguar I-PACE

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Jaguar XF

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Jaguar XKR

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Jaguar E-Type

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Jaguar XJ220

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Jaguar Design Vision concept

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Chrysler 300

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GT car

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Jaguar Xjs

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supercharged V12

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horsepower

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six-speed manual transmission

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carbon body

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wider body

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Magnus Walker

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restomod

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Singer

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Lamborghini Murciélago

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Lexus Rz

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Toyota bZ4X

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Subaru Solterra

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Toyota RZ

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hello and welcome to this carpod I'm K

I'm fipo and let's just get into it

start it off Jaguar Jaguar we're going

to start with the news and talk Jaguar

Jaguar has rebranded and can we play the

video let's just play the video fipo

hasn't seen it yet there sound there

sound there is sound yeah I watched it

oh I hate every single part of this let

it play it's going to might change your

mind later it might be

different British

right all right two two main issues

first all live Vivid there's a lot of

adverbs that should have been used that

were not live Vivid dude which bothers

me every single day normal life and

especially bothers me ha and also copy

nothing don't you mean every single lead

day um okay can I tell you this is this

the Jaguar revealed this yesterday they

also deleted all of their previous

social media post and posted this like

their whole Instagram was they deleted

every post like post by post like they

hired some dude to delete delete delete

overnight like and nobody noticed

because jaguar and then they post this

like the morning yeah right it was on

Twitter it was on all the places yeah I

saw the news I just hadn't bothered to

watch the video and well now you've seen

it that was it was enormously criticized

as one can imagine okay I got a

different take of course you loved it I

didn't love it but like it ain't working

what's been happening the last 100 years

certainly true do you get what I'm

saying like this is the the worst of the

worst car company like like being

totally honest they could leave tomorrow

and no one would really they aren't

selling cars this they're literally not

selling cars this year right like 25 nah

the the they can only go up like

regardless of what they do they can only

go up I think it's stupid and insane but

like the the it it it the the previous

you remember in the past when they were

trying to sell cars using normal

marketing with normal cars that didn't

work they didn't sell cars Stakes are

although they actually had Stakes are

low they actually had some great years

when they first released the XF and the

XJ and the

X the the the the the Pace but then they

released no new cars for a decade there

was well that was one of the issues but

I think also just the brand has gotten

stale no one really knows what it's

supposed to be then they tried to Pivot

to Electric with one electric car and

now they've pivoted to Cosmetics like

it's really difficult it's weird as hell

and not good but like and everybody's

pissed online this is this is not Jaguar

this is not what Jaguar is supposed to

be and it's like I think that's the

point guys cuz I think what Jaguar is

supposed to be has kind of continuously

failed for my entire lifetime like I'm

not exaggerating they did that music

video with sting and that guy who killed

somebody and I I just feel movies is

jaged that's it there was that too

Madonna did one with the green XKR oh

really there was I was thinking a little

more recently when Ford owned Jag there

was a Bond movie where there was a Ford

Aston Martin there was a Vanquish there

was an XKR which Ford owned and then

there was a Thunderbird in that same

movie I remember the Thunderbird pinkish

red uh also like the and all of them M

drives around an XJ all the more recent

ones but what does this mean it means

that there's something new coming I'm

not going to defend it I think it's

stupid too but I also think like let's

just kind of let him do it because For

the First Time In Automotive History

people are talking about Jaguar people

have not talked about Jaguar this much

since the E type was shown at the Paris

Motor Show in 1959 and people were

beating down Steven Jaguar's door to

hand him toit I'm not I'm not kid like

am I wrong no you're not Rue and the

other thing about this is like they knew

they had to do something inflammatory

yeah and really realistically the only

way to get people to talk about it is to

be negative the Cyber truck was kind of

that way it worked is and we talked

about that for 9 months right here we

are talking about this so it was

successful did some like video with like

black lights and like jaguar and then a

picture of the leaping cat no one would

say a thing the difference is that

nobody's going to talk about this

starting tomorrow well we're talking

about three days right well they keep

rolling this I think the next update

comes December 2nd is when they said

going be the next update what does that

mean another they're going to reveal a

new car at an art show at least a new

car some some fashion exhibit in Berlin

is what this whole thing look like will

it will it be a new car very yeah is

there actually a new car in There's A

New Concept car look I think my my point

is just I think it's stupid just like

everybody else thinks it's stupid but

like this company is bad they are not

succeeding and that for the first time

people are talking about them and so

like I'm going to let it play out I'm

just going to let it play out see what

happens they took that that break to go

teach skiing you know between college

and they're experimenting with that

experimenting yeah and look at this guy

he's excited about it you think here's

what I don't get this guy's thrilled

first of all Jaguar should learn to copy

a lot of things if they want to be good

first of all copy nothing wrong wrong

MTO for that such a good point but much

much more important than that

they they spent surely Millions on this

video and on the this reveal well where

they revealed nothing did they spend

Millions let me let me Counterpoint all

they did was two things they hired these

folks who I bet are not

busy to walk right these clothes can't

be expensive that's she's wearing like a

garbage bag kind of situation this is a

rug and they deleted all their social

media posts which you and I could have

done in an hour if they were going to

spend Millions I would have done it I

would have done that for 800 Grand

there's no doubt that they spent

Millions on this campaign and I just

don't like Scout was is a brand that is

a Revival of an old old brand that

nobody's talked about in a century yeah

did a big reveal they got a ton of

earned Med by showing cars turns out

that if you show cars that people might

be interested in you can get you're

missing the point Jaguar's going to do

that too are they but they've already

they've already captured our attentions

now everybody's sitting here everybody

who complain about this is sitting here

thinking what the hell are these guys

going our no cuz thinking that doesn't

have the staying power yeah he is no no

car will connect to the ad campaign

unless it's a golf harleyquin maybe

it maybe do a a xj220 Revival now that

would be I don't I don't I don't know

it'll be electric it'll be I don't know

what like it maybe it was in the video

we didn't see it maybe it was that pink

Rock watch it again go back may that's

what it was look I think that you're all

missing the point how many views does

this unlisted video have it's it is

unlisted what 49,000 so they're very

people didn't watch it on YouTube I

watched it on other platforms I haven't

seen it on YouTube yet but you know I

mean it could have I mean maybe that's

it create exuberant creat exuberant no

no that's not that's not i f that said

either of those things is that a tire

wait go back here go back to the she's

wearing a tire that's a

clue look all I'm saying is all I'm

saying is people are hating this I get

why they're hating it it's really stupid

but I think it has gotten our attention

in a way that Jaguar has not gotten our

attention a long time and I think there

are marketers out there who were like

yeah that was the plan and now you're

curious admited if they had just done a

stupid boring campaign you'd be like

jaguar what they had they come out and

we're changing a lot of our tact here's

our new design language here's the dire

we're going to go in

would do and fipo only does like the Bas

who buys Jaguars if not people like fipo

but the point is they want new people

they want people like kenet they right

now they got people like you well

they're going to reveal a city-sized

luxury EV probably I want to see an ex

an electric xj220 I want to see electri

Rock cuz that's what we think I think we

might be getting here or whatever cos

was wearing a tire I'm just saying this

looks like a road worker maybe it's a

construction vehicle yellow a yellow

okay so we got to move on from jaguar

and we must move to Jaguar Jaguar now

this is apparently a this is going to be

the car that they announced a car exists

they're going to release it at Miami art

week which is in a couple of weeks which

as we all know beginning of the summer

you know I'm sure you've been there a

bunch of times haven't been but but

dream of it that's the point though

they're going to show this thing it's

called the Jaguar design Vision concept

and apparently the goal is to bring the

Jaguar brand up scale they're talking

about $100,000 plus EVS here's the thing

the Jag brand was upscale they spent 20

years moving to like less premium they

regret that or premium instead of luxury

they regret the fact that they came out

with the epace at a299 lease deal you

walked in with a with a mop as a trade

in what do you think XE Le deals are

they car that car is long gone we don't

think about the X anymore we got a new

thing got a new thing and it looks like

it could be cool it could be cool looks

like a cursive 300 wagon to me yeah but

that

was with new seven series it does look

like a if you pop this off this is a

crisis 300 yeah maybe they're going to

come back if you ban the loss of the

Cris of 300 turns out there's a $250,000

thing you think it's going to be 250 if

they're really trying to move up scale

like Bentley yeah the goal is to move up

Market 100,000 plus is kind of what's

been floated I don't know about Bentley

but 100,000 plus here's what I don't get

okay go back up slide cuz this is their

new logo their new logo the G is

uppercase that's a good point the J

might be the rest is not the rest is not

the the U could be to be fair

yeah Jaguar okay when you think luxury

especially in the US you think British

Brands yeah they've unri fired all of

their history you're missing the point

and I think I think a lot of low effort

Instagram commenters are missing the

point

too that's the point that's what they're

trying to do they're they're they're un

they're untethering from their previous

reputation completely and they're going

to Miami art week with a with a GT car

that's going to cost 200 Grand and be

electric and they got a lowercase a

right they're trying to move out of cry

and into London that's what that's the

kind of move they want to go for they

want to be more modern and like every

like I think they're trying to move out

of C into like pra or Berlin pra Berlin

something like that something a little

edgier edgy yeah exactly for all the

edgy people in Berlin that have 100 plus

thousand Euro well there are a couple of

wealthy people in Berlin I I think that

looks like it's they're maybe they're

going to make refrigerators oh I think a

midscale hotel no it's looks like a

garage door in a in a in an possible

things by the way you're missing the

point that's what they're trying to do

they want to get your ATT okay we spent

way too long on this I'm moving off

jagar next story speaking of

Jaguar what is this so this is kind of

an interesting rester mod thing so tww

Tom walking shw racing is making a

tribute to the xjs a very you didn't

know that of course of course he didn't

know that sleep go back to sleep this

car is this car is gonna be called the

super cat the super cat but it is cool

so it has a supercharged 5.6 L V12 660

horsepower and sixspeed manual

transmission this isn't it's not the V12

that was in it before it's it's some

maybe in cylinder count only but it's it

looks so it's been pretty uh beefed up

one might say man the presentation is

beautiful but in addition to that like

the body obviously is pretty extreme

full carbon body it's 20 cm wider than

the normal car I mean look at those

flaves I know and it weighs

substantially less too this thing weighs

3500 lb compared to the original was

3900 lb and they weren't trying to save

they were light at the time yeah exactly

so um another notable thing about the

design Magnus Walker and kaisa Saleem

worked on the design of this particular

car and so they which again Magnus

Walker known for Porsches so kind of

unusual they chose design though I mean

I mean I guess but when you think him I

think long hair Porsches that's what I

think of like that's what

I T yeah TWR thinks that he should help

with this I think it's cool as hell it's

very cool so of all the Resto mods and

almost all of them have been like

yawners like

singer this is cool yeah sorry but yes

it's going to cost

$285,000 American dollars that's not

that insane and they're going to build

88 I think what they means they're going

to attempt to build 88 and they're

they're allegedly going to start

delivering them in 2025 285,000 yeah

yeah 285 I that insane that's a cool

looking car a lot for an xjs it's a cool

looking car I can't get an xj220 for

that money you got to stick V12 for 285

huh I like it does it have a

warranty has a warranty but evidently

Matt Farah got to hear this thing

recently and he said on Instagram that

it sounds like a mercy when you start it

and he like actually seemed pretty

excited about the car so I'm I'm kind of

curious I'm sure we'll see the car week

and stuff like that but I think it's co

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finally not Jaguar finally not Jaguar I

don't want this is a boring news you

talk about one minute or less uh the

current the current CEO of Volkswagen

North America has left he's now the past

CEO as of yesterday uh and they have a

new CEO who was formerly at Porsche and

at rivian okay there you go there you go

next story all right but we're just

getting more and more interesting from

here so you will regret having cut that

story short all right this is a Lexus RZ

yeah it's the Toyota bz forx or super

soulterra of Lexus it's better than

those to but that's not say it has a a

some of them do some of them have a

model SS steering

wheel what's it word whisk what's it

called all right whatever thanks y right

um they cut the price of the bz of the

uh RZ the base model by

$1,000 and where it start at 43 oh my

God that's still $28,000 too much yeah

but it is now the same price as a bz

forx now we all assume the bz forx will

have a similar price cut and of course

the bz forx at the dealership out the

door is 20 grand less than what they're

asking what would you what would it take

to get you into a bz 4X ugly poor range

poor performance like it's just quite

bad what would it take to get you into

bz 4X lower by the way low I'm sorry

lowercase b uppercase Z four uppercase X

Toyota has to bring it to his house it

needs to be $20 a month or less which

which by way Fiat La last week had a

lease deal that was about $40 a month

wait you wouldn't do it at 35 a month

for a BC 4X no I don't want the hassle

but it is really noral they're cing the

price $11,000 on a car that came out two

years ago and they're matching b4x

prices which so bz fores are probably

also going to fall some amount I just

don't understand these automakers had

Tesla to Benchmark I was at the I went

to the Lexus RZ launch they did hear in

San and I I just couldn't understand it

then they had Tesla to Benchmark they

knew what the what the Benchmark was for

range and performance and price tag and

instead they come out with this whose

performance is laughable in comparison

and range the RZ range is better the bz

forx range is trash the all-wheel drive

bz forx the higher the all-wheel drive

rzs the higher trims have less than 200

mes range yeah but they had some good

horsepower number no that's not

acceptable 350 or that that's it's not

acceptable I totally there's people will

buy them because you go to Lexus

dealership you want an EV where you

going to buy this and that's the only

TOA pursu electrification strategy very

like theys strategies which is very

slowly and carefully but the consumers

are not they're buying the best the

nicest the fastest the mo and and I

literally went to a I can't remember

which automaker told me they they had

limited the performance of their EV

because they didn't want people to be

like surprised and it's like this is not

how it works people are expecting 0 to

60 in 2.8 seconds for like 40 G's it's

what Tesla does as far as I'm concerned

if you can't deliver Tesla level range

performance pricing there's no point

there's no point and none of them can

none of them can the Maki is close but

none of the others can the Maki is close

the Lucid air is close to Model S

performance and and expensive as uh

rivan are not that there similar from

model X there are competitors in the

space the ionic 5 well

rivan other cars that deliver other

things that Tesla doesn't and rivan is

one of them it can off road it looks way

better it's obviously bigger inside

ionic 5 ev6 are in the red ball park

generally speaking though a lot of these

if you just look at it on paper it's

like why would I ever consider this

trash that's one of the reasons I think

it's so insane that Tesla opened up

their charge Network to all these other

companies because like you had this

massive advantage and this other massive

Advantage I mean it's not a mistaken

that it's probably good for eeve

adoption but it is rough by the way this

now is about the same price as the

basist Lexus NX really well I'd still

rather have the NX with this said

speaking of EVS yesterday here in the

studio we had some Chinese cars yes

automobiles manufactured in China their

vins started with L really yeah I I

another Chinese vents interesting and uh

here's the deal one of them was a

convertible sports car from the storied

mg brand can you pull it up K the mg uh

it's called the cyberster it is not

called the Cyber steer which is what I

thought it was called good catch uh and

then also we had the xiaomi sue7 you I'm

sure are well aware of the course Jim

Farley was this car was in our office

yesterday yesterday it was so cool

legitimately Is It Anyway yeah it was

wait can you find a picture of the

tailet I got Doug did a full video so

everybody will get to enjoy it I got big

videos coming with the su7 su7 and the

mg cyber the actual ER I have to say

like I didn't know what to expect to be

honest with you when you said you're

going to do these I actually thought it

was pretty cool to be honest it looks

good I've sent the picture to a bunch of

people everyone I sent it to is like

that thing looks good and S7 also looks

good the S7 is what we say in mainland

China uh and we felt that it looked good

also we myself the party

anyway no legitimately though uh there's

this perception among American consumers

that Chinese cars are kind of or the

Chinese goods are kind of crappy because

that we order stuff on Amazon and it's

cheap plastic stuff and it comes from

China and we drive these car I drove

these cars around like San Diego

yesterday and they were great they drove

great they existed great they have some

great quirks and features well I thought

it nice I thought it was fascinating to

look at because we had a cyber truck in

the office last week panel gaps not

particularly great build quality not

particularly nice this Ste man right

well that one was gold but this one this

one the was nice was nice it was well

made and I think that speaks I did it

felt nice I think one thing to keep in

mind a it's amazing how far the Chinese

have come in such a short period of time

couple years xia me the the people who

brought us the sue7 they were making

smartphones in 21 not a single car

smartphones 21 wow here we are in 24

they got it they got the that by the way

that S7 set the alltime nerur ring lap

record for a four-door car the S7 Ultra

which has 1500 horsepower he had the max

here I had I had the max which strangely

is the mid-range model have some naming

issues well to to be fair Apple has the

same naming structure with their their

chips smart and there's by the way when

we got the spec list um which was sent

to us not on Google Docs but on Fu docs

I'm sure you know oh very familiar a lot

of the specs like it's like talks about

processor like you know how like you

would send a spec list for a lincol and

it would be like 28 in screen and V6 and

you all-wheel drive this was like 2800

boble flob Qualcomm processor and I'm

like I okay I didn't realize that was

part of a car dang it had the blue flob

blue flob it it had 2,800 boble fly wow

overclocked now one now I the the other

point I want to make with that is yes

they they've come up very quickly but

also this comes from a nation that is

very good at manufacturing they have

really hon their processes so it's not

really a surprise that things are like

well put together and the panel gaps are

tight and like they seem to figure that

out very very quickly also the Chinese

government has part of a lot of

manufacturing required there to be joint

Partnerships and so whenever any

manufacturer started building cars in

China for the Chinese market or

otherwise it was actually part of a

joint man

I don't want a lot of I don't want to

get into the politics yeah because I

don't want fipo to cry and I don't want

Ken tell us about how Emily's dad was

there on January

6 he was not there

but Emily doesn't exist he was there in

my mind um but I will say the the the

these cars are heavily tered and they're

probably not going to come to the US

even even my beautiful my my beloved

sue7 not even the Sue five not even the

sule will make it to the US but

um but such a long episode when you

think about the the the Koreans and how

long it and how they were able to make

the strides Hyundai came to in 86 Kia

came in '95 within 15 years they were

there 25 it took Volkswagen 65 years to

make products that are acceptable and I

would argue they're still not like have

you been in an atlas crossport and

but the Chinese are already like caught

up it's amazing how quickly this

happened part of it is they don't have

to go through the trouble of developing

engin which makes a huge difference and

and the thing that Su that's like

successful for these cars is Tech and

they can do tech tech is pretty easy to

do and the Cyber store had like 18

screens right how was the driving

experience it was okay I know you'll

talk about it I'll talk about it more in

depth in my review video coming to the

Doug Deo you it was okay it it it was

pretty the handling was pretty good

considering it weighs 4,000 lb the

steering got light at high speeds like

it clearly the Chinese are not known for

high performance vehicles or for track

they don't have a lot of Chinese F1

drivers mg obviously has never been a

car with power show there's one but

think about like Brazil gave us Senna

Brazil gave us Senna the Brazilians know

how to tune handling they build a lot of

fast cars in Brazil we know about the

Brazilian Auto industry heck yeah oh

yeah um people are going to be like

there is a Brazilian Auto industry and

there's 19 cars and they're really great

people are going to get so mad that we

just did that by the way you know what

Brazilian vins start with no nine okay

we are talking cars we've already moved

on the I since you brought up the

Volkswagen atas I was thinking last

night legitimately I was thinking about

this last night as I was walking the dog

are you familiar with Volkswagen's SUV

naming scheme okay there's there's the

the T in Europe there's the the t-rock

tck what about it why doesn't that start

with a t because it's not sold in Europe

it's sold in America so it's only in the

European markets that they care about

the te's Apparently do you know what

tigan where they got that name isn't it

some wind no TIG for tiger and iguan

because in Germany in German leuan

apparently is the term for iguana tiger

iguana put them together Tiguan I'm not

excited I'm not this up that's that's

true verifiable this is real but then

why isn't the atlas the tatas or the Tas

would have been actually good right I

would probably like it better yeah okay

Kenan tell us your top cars story of so

your favorite YouTuber my favorite

YouTuber whistling Diesel's yes

wh second favorite you good C bought a

car recently and it happens to be a car

that we have had some feelings about the

market has as well and that is the

Ferrari sf90 so he bought a Matt Black

Ferrari sf90 Whistlin bought an sf90 and

he posts on Instagram he's all proud of

his sf90 and I love whistling dearly

obviously pull up the whistling can you

do that oh no we can't pull up Instagram

here right yeah I love whistling dearly

he's a dear dear friend of mine we've

texted twice uh both times I texted him

and said oh my God whist I love you and

he said who is this who is this guy

please I'm busy and I said no whist it's

me dog I love you okay fine anyway he

just liked it thumbs

up but uh he bought an sf90 which we

don't we're not fans of here on the Pod

no single human no people bought there

there are people who spent 6 700,000 for

that I spent 400 calls to dealerships I

said in Instagram that people are losing

hundreds of sf90 yeah was like a 700 car

with got a lot of options what's it

worth now could I trade if I had a 1 to

one for Toyota goat would people do it I

think people would be in the right

person would yeah yeah they they yeah so

just take over

payments oh they would be thrilled by

that out there's probably a lot of

people out there who are just going to

walk away from these mean even in August

this one on our site was bid to 488 you

got sticker on that now you figure I

have let's see if we do um you there was

that one what is that sticker

and this was time when de were 21 so

deers were gouging people for it was a

21 this car yeah what was the

mileage I'm guessing yeah 2 mil this car

lost

$300,000 26 no it was a wasn't it a 650

sticker yeah I mean to the bath but were

asking a lot over at the time too I mean

200 Grand and 2600 miles there are more

egregious examples I heard dealers brag

at the time about how they sold one for

$890 or 900 and it was and yeah they

worth in a lot of and again this was in

August they have depreciated

substantially more you know what's funny

about this we're talking about whistling

we're now on the sf90 but let's roll

with it Ferrari Ferrari for years sat on

the sidelines of this market like the

600 700,000 car like something above the

the the sports cars the 430 and the 458

like they but below the super cars but

below the supercars and they only had

the front engine v12s which while we

loved them were not like for the the

kind of person who would buy one of the

sports cars but wanted something more

there was nothing

would be a You' be a connoisseur right

they finally come out with one at the

worst possible time and and they they

don't limit the production and there was

a bad time is that it wasn't an

attractive product it it part of the

Mystique and desirability of expensive

Ferraris is that you can they're limited

production and you can flip them and I

think this car has taught Ferrari an

interesting lesson which is the demand

for the 599 sa aperta the reason those

cars were selling for a million bucks in

the aftermarket is not because a lot of

people want a 599 it's there were of

them and with that level of scarcity

creates this interest and this Mystique

there ain't 30 of these there's 30 at

every every Exotic Car Lot yeah that's

that's that's pretty true um that is

true 75 by the way um but

nonetheless does anyone have genuine

interest in this car except for it can

help them get on the list for the next

special projects car or it could you

know what I'm saying like was there

actually an interest in this car not at

the price point I think there were well

there are a number of things that led

them to being we'll get back to whist

and d one second but there are a number

of things that led to this card

appreciate one is that it looks it it's

very difficult to distinguish it for to

people from the f8 which was in

production at the same time they look

the same they look the same except cost

twice as the 296 looks looks better OK I

am dead serious about this dead serious

people are going to on the comments you

didn't mean that I would rather have a

29690 I swear because at this

performance level it doesn't I'm they're

doing two 0 to six like two and a half

I'm good that's enough for me I swear

the 296 looks better I swear it looks

better and my and of course the fear

with this car is like like the law

Ferrari like was was the hybrid before

it you got to imagine that Ferrari will

not support the technology of this car

at all right and so like the battery

stuff I'm sure that will be problematic

for owners in the future and so like I

think people are worried about that and

it's this weird transitional time when

people want the last of Ferraris they

want the last nav2 Ferrari and like

they're scrambling for that and this is

the next Generation people aren't as

excited about that but it is f fting

that it has depreciated so much to the

point where whistling diesel has bought

one and we can only imagine okay so

that's the question is whistling going

to destroy it obviously we hope so we

hope so and so do sf90 owners because

that's one less the problem is they're

turning out like four a day so You' need

like many Whistlin like is there a is

there a Euro Whistlin who destroys if

the video does well maybe he'll do

another one in Europe though I don't

think you're allowed to destroy things I

think like there's rules and regulations

right but not not for whistling Diesel

and no in Tennessee you can destroy it

every you want and I bury it in the yard

and so if he if he does great video of

destroying this thing maybe it goes up

and flames in the field he might

actually be someone who able to make

money on one of these cars and not lose

hundreds and hundreds of thousands of

dollars the first person who ever made

money on an sf9 aside from the Ferrari

dealer can I depit you something do you

know that wiland said at 10 million Subs

he would get a

buatti dang how many Subs he have now I

don't know but if you're not subbed do

it if you're folks out there if you're

not subbed to whistling you go sub to

him now so he blows up a Bugatti he

there 8.5 8.5 get getting close he's

getting there he's getting close I will

say he burned down an f8 right that was

a car who what who signed in on this you

sub right now

right sub Kenan I'm subbed personally

what what is this this is like a cars in

sub for carsen B supports whistling

there he he he has personally owned cool

cars though right like he doesn't

destroy all of them I know like a

Huracan or something right he had a

Huracan that yeah he had a Huracan

didn't he get from TJ hunt that did uh

we also love I legitimately love TJ okay

we got any other top car segments yes so

we're coming to the end of the year it's

getting cold and that means we're

looking forward to next year and I've

started to look forward to 65 it's 70°

today well in other other parts of the

country it's bigger than San Diego in

case you've forgotten man he's lived

here for like two years and he's already

forgotten about the

other from Wisconsin and he's like

wearing a hoodie cuz it's 64 degre and

he's cold you know what I think I want

to adverti a merch for sale at merch.com

you

know so embarrassing when he had to when

he grew up in Wisconsin he had to walk

around with the name filipo and I bet he

just wants to block that out yeah did

you just go by Phil what do I go by now

well you go by fipo but in California

people are a little bit more accepting

of people named fipo like as a

13-year-old in Wisconsin I bet people

are like I bet there was some stuff

Philly Philly I'm calling you

Phil yeah more than so anyway I started

to look forward to events and now is

when you start to book stuff and events

because it get it's kind of books up

quickly so my friends and I every year I

go to Amelia Island haven't missed it

the last except for 2020 I haven't

missed it the last like seven or eight

years love going to ailia and can't wait

to go this year you're going to Amilia

yeah going to ailia for sure of course

you won't but you not it's in Florida

yeah I do not like Florida and by the

way all the Floridians out there love

Florida

right no I mean I would if I went like

I'd go see tarish and like and like pop

in on that that was the first time I

ever got to see you wear a suit yeah I

was a judge at Amelia one year and a

mirror caught fire driving up to get

award a i i awarded an award to a

Lamborghini miror this is what happened

okay you want me to tell the story yeah

I was there I watched it happen okay

huie and tvarish and I were judges at

Amelia Island one year and the category

we were judging Amelia and a lot of

these Concor events are trying to appeal

to younger people and the category we

were judging was called like the car

that would do best on YouTube or

something and I lived in Georgia at the

time I was thrilled to go down there it

was easy to go to Jacksonville and so I

did that huie was there tarish and I we

all wore suits we all judged and the we

awarded the award to a Cadillac devil

limousine that the pope was supposed to

write in on a visit to Latin America but

he did not still damn now the limousine

was owned by the Peterson Museum who

declined the award which actually is a

wonderful thing because Peterson doesn't

need Awards but the second place car was

owned personally by a guy and so he was

going to win the award that's really

cool like like Peterson ah we don't need

the pope card as an need an award later

by the way I tried to review the pope

card and they're like nah that thing was

blessed you don't you're not allowed to

I swear to God

so anyway I

swear uh we awarded to a mura the mura

is driving up on stage because all the

cars have to drive up on stage to

collect the award and as it's driving up

first off we were supposed to present in

the middle and our award kept getting

pushed back and back and back because

the miror wouldn't start finally there a

about to Best in Show and it's like our

award's got to go up like it can't go

after Best in Show and they get the mura

started and it's driving up onto the

stage and it catches on fire as muras do

well baloni is there and so baloni walk

runs over and he's like Fanning it he's

got like a jacket he's like Fanning the

flames on this miror that's on fire and

I'm sitting there thinking this was what

it was like in santagata time in 1967

I'm watching a flashback Valentino

baloni is trying to put out a fire on

Aira this happened yeah he knew what he

was doing was it his first time but then

he also like Contin then he worked on it

like he Jack was like in there

like it was incredible to watch like the

car never made it up on course this is

in like when you're at a on for for this

particular thing there's like it's like

cordon off like there are like rows of

seats to sit in to watch this happen

like it's a big event and everybody is

there watching it this poor car caught

fire after a big Resto too I heard later

anyway award it uh I don't know I think

he did get the award yeah he deserved it

but U boy was that that must have been

so embarrassing and terrifying at the

same time but you get a great story how

many people have had Valentina

well Bon blow on their car yeah no a lot

that don't know probably you

maybe uh okay but anyway your point is

show yeah going to Amelia for sure

debating going to Scottsdale which is in

January which is a little bit earlier

but I'm not sure if we're going to be

able to do that but definitely going to

car week next year um already booked a

house with my friends top we're ready to

go yeah you got to be you have to be

right that thing about like these big

house the week before you went but yeah

well sometimes you look out but not

always and and this in this particular

case we got more of where we want to

stay in carel and all that stuff but

yeah starting to look forward to more

events um there are other ones I'd like

to do I'd really would love to figure a

way to go to uh the bridges uh in the

Hampton seems like an incredible event

uh would love to be able to attend that

at some stage but cars and caffeine and

Carburetors in New Canon you go with me

to that I've never been to that you

haven't been to that no it's always in

the I'm always on inet I don't want to

go to Connecticut for that I would love

to if you could find a if you could get

over to Connecticut i' I know I ought to

do it it's like amazing event it's like

a very casual Cars and Coffee but like

McLaren F1 show up like it's like it's

the craziest casual Cars and Coffee in

exist CU they only hold like three a

year like the spring the summer and the

fall and so unlike like a weekly One

Like Big Stuff shows up to that you know

the other one that's getting kind of is

the audrin audin the AUD Museum in uh in

Rhode Island does a conquer year and

that's starting to really take off last

year you went and filmed their Museum

although the car two years ago it got

rained out unfortunately you do great

people I got a list I got to make a list

of car events I want to go to another

one honestly is uh is is Detroit

Woodward Woodward is cool oh Woodward

yeah it's the same week as Pebble though

is the problem and so I would rather go

to Pebble but Woodward just on a normal

Saturday night Woodward is cool as hell

and I sure during the Dream Cruise it's

really cool Goodwood would be cool to go

to yep Goodwood yeah Revival and

Festival speed are both on my list not

for this year but I would like to like

to get to those eventually um Monaco GP

Monaco GP historics Monaco historics uh

um Lon classic is another one i' really

like to go to there are a bunch but

right now for this year definitely going

to m going to car week if you're going

to Amilia or to car week look for Kennan

he'll be there say hello I don't bite

he'll talk E39 M5 with you if you've got

an E39 M5 if you want an E39 M5 if you

want to just hear Kenan do his thing and

talk about the E39 M5 or talk about or

we're talk about Ferraris oh yeah yeah

he'll talk about I like a lot of other

cars I just happen to really love the M5

he'll talk about other stuff too but

he'd prefer we'd all prefer to talk

about The Ether 9 M5 on that subject we

must move on to the market report which

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Doug car Ken and I also bought Vehicles

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challenges the Doug ideated that a

little bit evil and then next week

there'll be the final we got a video

series where we got check cars Sean's

looking at me why we got a video series

where we got we took cars to the desert

and it was amazing it was legitimately

aode is going to be even better cuz I

drag race a Corvette I am in a Corvette

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watch it and if you haven't watched it

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Kennon I've got the K shirt on which is

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angle LP 5000 it should be LP 5000 s but

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okay this ad was way too long was not

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all that and just listen to the pot the

next I want to talk about the SC430 pull

it up yeah strong sale pull it up pull

up we sold an SC430 for 48,000 United

States dollars it's this really happened

this is by the way this was a

pre-facelift SC430 if you're in the

SC430 Community you know what I'm

talking about okay I again want to state

that all the enthusiasts who lined up

around the original Lexus SC being like

it's a drift mobile it has a 2JZ they

did a V8 were all outshone by old people

who prefer this and the market loves

this car loves a 7,000 M version yes it

had low miles but we these sell for big

money still sold for 50 g do you know

what is250c sells for

$9 doesn't have a V8 with that makes 280

horsepower how much I I in my head it

was 290 but I thoughted to cut it down

that was big

boyang wow well it there is demand for

these even and there has been for a long

time when I worked at that exotic card

ship you actually wrote for Auto for aut

Trader and wrote an article in one of

our cars which had I think it was like

151 mili memory serves me I mean and the

guy who bought it emailed us and he was

like I have one with it was a very weird

email he said I have one with 26,000

mies it's worn out and I want to get a

new one I can't anymore so I want this

they don't sell it anymore so bought

from us yeah no way it went to Florida

of course it did it's a I mean

California looks

like Bara of course it was what color is

it black or is it purple can't I just

want to say legitimately these SC 430s

are insane it's unbelievable how much

they sell for and the mark the not the

2JZ powered rear wheeel drive sporty SC

Market is hot the SC430 old guy Market

us I remember when this car came out and

I was a kid it was like 2002 and people

were so mad car Enthusiast on on the

forums were like they ruined the Lexus

SC yeah ruined it so much they created a

giant market of people who love them Top

Gear's worst car ever

right everybody laughed at it cuz it was

such a depart a bad departure from the

this is just a great example of how car

enthusiasts have no clue that what the

general public is looking for and also

car like old U uh E320 cabetes Mercedes

E30 cabetes also worth surprising money

like there's demand for regular

comfortable reliable the E320 fam a

four-door car as430 and this one you can

technically say a 430 convertible oh

damn you got a 430 spider and then that

shows up it's like well I will also say

we think that this or we know this is

the highest public of an SC430 uh what

about when it was new and they cost 70

grand public sale in an auction

secondary

auction I don't know no but you're right

strong number speaking of strong numbers

we got a record for the auto Zam az1 a

and the best part of this is that we got

a record for the aoam A1 the last time

this same A1 this az1 just sold for

40,500 which is an A1 record and likeo

said this Autos this az1 previously set

a record on cars in bid the last az1

record which had not been broken yet

which was was 34 yeah we broke it for

the the same exact card but post a bunch

of modifications Doug reviewed this card

belong to who you've seen on the on the

I've driven I've driven this car the

record breaker have I was great it was

great love driving little and Buzzy

little and Buzzy that's all you want

though like the Countach but littler

buzzier but very similar to other r hand

dve you can red you can red line it

first second and third gear and not be

doing 40 something that is something

special Japan dude it's a wild Place 40

Grand is a lot of money for card that's

not that low mile like these are

desirable like just legit well presented

nicely modified well they deserve to be

they're pretty they're pretty cool cool

all these K cars are kind of dumb except

for like this one and that was exactly

the take going to have this the the beat

and the cappuccino are all cool the be

cap are worth very little cuz they are

like normal cards well and they were

made in much higher numbers I think

that's the reason cuz I actually I think

they're all cool they're not the beat is

the more drivable one uh it's pretty big

inside the beat and I had zebra pattern

seats they all did Oe swear to you I

swear to you zebra my bad with a zed y

uh but the az1 and do you remember what

the Suzuki version was called the Suzuki

cappuccina we just there was a Suzuki

version of this yes I do the oh my

goodness Suzuki Cara or Cara I was going

to say Sarah but then I thought that

that that's a Toyota Toyota SAR anyway

the point is this made money it deserved

to make money it's cool as hell and

there's other market report things to

discuss kenon give us something yes so

we recently sold a car that like stands

out in my mind now I love the GT3

wonderful car this 991.1 GT3 sold for TW

for $118,900 you understand the can of

worms you're bringing up here I yes it's

a tip it's a tip and it had the engine

thing but Porsche recalled all of them

do you know what the engine thing is

they recall and replace every single

were exploding well but then they

replace them they recalled all of them

and they also recalled them quickly

which people don't really realize were

exploding well now they don't cuz

they've been fixed replaced rather well

they don't cuz they've been fixed okay

but we're trying to sell these cars yeah

these things are great are there

continued issues like I'm sure that's

price down there have been a couple but

that's true of every car I I yes they've

been recalled and replaced but they are

all tips yes they are all tips and I

realize that however 996 gt3s the first

GT3 offer in the United States 96.2

those on average according to

classic.com are selling for about on

average the last five years selling for

118 Grand or $108,000 so for $10,000

more you get that which from a

driving I think I probably would too but

this is objectively pretty like that is

to put it in perspective these are fun

these are cool these are modern which

the 996 GT3 cannot even remotely claim

yeah uh that's a stick though I love how

the 96223 looks I will say that I think

more to the overall point here it's

interesting that you can still get a

couple of 911 gt3s in the low hundreds

because there was a time when when I was

younger that 997 gt3s were in that

market in fact every GT3 when it was new

was 150 Grand and then it depreciated to

100 and when it was used those days are

over like and and they're not even

really depreciating much so no I mean

and they're just if you want to spend

100 G's and be like have a cool

Porsche the a GT3 996 or this drive to

really drive and use I mean this is yeah

cuz the thing about these cars this is

also like the 996 in general thing about

these cars is they're the the bad GT3

everybody kind of knows that but there's

still a GT3 GT3 it's like saying the bad

kenon like you still have kenon oh

that's very kind thank you right yeah I

don't know who the comparison point

would be for that but this I think this

Sean for producer I I love the idea of

this car for I mean Grant it's still a

lot of money but relative to other gt3s

considering the 997.1 GT3 is $150,000 do

GT3 cost MSRP today you got to assume

200 something oh yeah one assumes new

GT3 MSRP 183

2225 oh for the do 2225 22 so this is

half price I mean I get your point it

will always have the stigma though I if

you show up with PCA Gatherings it's

like the Boxster of GT3 but you're right

if you buy it to drive if you just want

to go drive yeah and admittedly if you

maybe you can't drive manual or

something like that or you want to be

able to use it on a more frequent basis

or you want the fastest track speeds

yeah or you're going for times I I think

it's a very compelling buy uh let's talk

GSF because you have an interesting

point here we sold a GSF the other day

we had one live right now but we also

sold one earlier this week for 55 55 us

th this car had an 85k sticker 85

sticker so over the seven years ago

seven years ago and reasonable number of

miles I mean they had what 40,000

something that scroll down

40,000 an an f90 M5 also worth 55 pull

up a new tab pull up that F9 M5 that the

most recent one that we sold had a 115

sticker yeah so depreciation is is wild

I mean same sale price similar mileage

if memory a little

newer less miles sold for two grand2 the

Lexus sold for more for more so the BMW

is newer with less miles and depreciated

as what was the horsepower number on the

BMW cuz it is isn't the difference

insane what is on this 467 so 13 30 but

the the gsfs are remaining so desirable

it's true at the isfs too people want

reliability used car market values

different things but I think this is a

great point I wanted to talk about this

because found I didn't realize this was

happening the GSF has these cars aren't

that old the GSF has already overtaken

the M5 and used desirability already

after seven years the market I'm going

to I'm going to throw out something the

market does not trust High Performance

BMW engines especially M5 especially M5

I think that's true though of all of

them look at x6m look at x5m okay well I

mean sorry especially the the I think

M3s have a little bit of a buffer there

I don't know man I ask that the market

does not trust used BMW after the

warranty period ends that's when the

problems start

coming GSF there's a couple of small

things that are known in the community

but like and I got to be honest I've

driven both these cars pretty

significantly the M5 drives way better

way better first off it's a newer

generation of automobile the next well

no offense it's an M5 it's an M5 it

drives amazing it's got way more power

it's faster I felt this car was was

excellent but dynamically could have

improved the power train is fine but

like 467 horses not 600 the M5 has 20%

more horsepower to be perfectly honest

if I'm thinking about one of these I'm

thinking G like it's got It's going to

be reli buy the used off warranty Car

Plus you can get that blue with those

gold calers you can get that Mouse

enertainment thing that was bad but like

that's what you're siging up for and

you're paying more than an f90 M5 and I

don't blame you yep I also would yep

well you think about what people want

these used I I would buy well that's

because you're willing to D money into

cars and I will say the value

differential between the two as it

widens will be what the Market feels

that you need to spend to get the M5 to

a level of driveability that the GSF is

already at right like like if it's a 10

grand difference the market then values

the extra power at this and and then the

the the rest of the value differential

is that spend and you're a guy who

spends on his cars and that makes sense

it does drive better yeah I I I drive so

I I I would drive you drive and you

spend and you spend and that's the thing

because there are a lot of other people

who drive but can't outlay that level of

cash or aren't willing to put up with

the will it start today to be clear both

these cars were automatics I'd never

consider either all but nonetheless n

I'm glad you're on this pod because you

are like a lot of grumpy car enthusiasts

we need to have that I've never had

never had an automatic only man I'm

sticking long Pro my point I've only

owned one yeah but you've owned one and

you didn't it wasn't something I have

needs in myol wasn't say this I got more

manuals than the two of you put together

put you two together I got more manuals

than you I have a higher proportion of

manuals yeah I have to think about that

I have a higher proportion of manuals no

I got three out of six we got both the

same

50% kenon though wins that nonetheless I

do have three and the two of you put

together only have two okay we got to

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do it on a different I'll do it on

Twitter just for you what about like

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take your pick I'll pop it on the TR

social do well there okay first question

from Max M from Max MCO hi Doug can we

get a swear jar on the podcast uh except

instead for swearing it's for kenon

whenever he brings up the e395 folks

Ken there's a complaint on the on the

whenever you read the comments that Ken

talking about z35 to much first off a

couple things Kenan has more depth in

car than he reveals on the podcast yeah

Kenan is a big Ferrari Enthusiast he

talks about Ferrari with me way more

than we talk about the E9 M5 but also

this is who kenon is that'd be like

telling fipo not to be logical and

sensible and reasonable the last sign I

asked fipo what his favorite color is

and he said I don't have one and then he

clarified his favorite color used to be

blue he decided he didn't want color

anymore it was it would offend the other

colors I no longer felt notable

no it wasn't a color that I identified

with

especially so like you're giving King

crap like you could you should get to

know fipo I have to I have to admit

there's a meme in my friend group about

you and it's every time we bring up a

car you're going to buy you always

mention something that you never buy

anything that's that's the meme I reach

out sometimes there's two cars that I

strongly consider the last waste the

time of dealers

I don't waste car dealer time unless I'm

buying I buy the last time you bought a

car I reach out the dealers on your

behalf yeah and we were ready to buy and

you negotiated me a discount

of0 I dab right in the middle at have we

ever told this story on the Pod we never

told the story on the Pod I got to tell

the story it's such a good story okay I

wanted to buy a Toyota Sequoia TRD Pro

right and there were it had just come

out a year earlier but there were used

ones that had already flooded the market

were a few new ones I couldn't find it

sticker and used ones were like not all

sticker either but almost there were two

TRD Pro in white which was the requir I

didn't want the roof rck remember right

it was a very there were legally two

cars in the country and I didn't want

the red interior and you didn't want the

gun box I didn't want the gun storage uh

safe actually I would have been happy

with that um you never know what's gonna

happen and

so and anyway so filipo I I I said to

fipo look I need to buy this car but I

really don't want to do it myself fipo

loves like the car buying process and

like dealing with dealers he loves it so

I was like why don't you negotiate this

for me so we find one in Ohio it was in

it was in it was near where Kenan is

from actually Northeast Ohio Kent Ohio I

think is where it was and we find it

toyot of Kent and and filipo reaches out

and he says listen I'm interested in

sequa and they were asking 82 or

something which by the way like for a

few grand below a few grand belowa right

at state it was like the cheapest one

and so fipa I'm interested in this and

so that the people they they start going

at the negotiation right yeah felipo

offers 80 they said no 81 no 81

five and eventually they say no and

felipo goes okay we'll take it for the

82 then I I will say this was a day of

negotiation I will say it took time and

also uh it's it's really hard to

negotiate when it is already the

cheapest one in the country there's two

for sale period he's G will to spend it

he was willing to do it so at the end of

all this they didn't they never they

found out they discovered like my name

but they no one at the dealer knew who I

was and so there was no like benefit

that I got from being me so at the end

of the day this is all true the end of

the day they call me up and they're like

all right we need to get your

information take a deposit get it done I

gave my my uh driver's license and then

they went dark yeah and two days later

they called me they're like we act we

sold it to a local buyer so not only did

fipo spend a day negotiating and get the

the price down

0 but we didn't even get the car but but

there was a the other one of the country

was in uh Nevada and I did negotiate

down a couple Grand and it was like 200

bucks you got off the I got like a grand

off and then Doug backed out for this

Ohio one and then I had to write the the

very kind salesp person who I talked to

a lot on the phone a review on Google

reviews cuz he didn't get a sale out of

it cuz Doug wanted the specific car you

were the person no after that we found a

new one okay next question is from but

that was my favorite that was the fipo

negotiating story he spent a day

negotiating got the price down Z and we

so then we met at ask and we still

didn't get the car that is a

f last week I reached out about about a

green uh a green C7 Corvette that was

for sale dealership in Sacramento and I

emailed back and forth with with one of

their their online sales people who was

very helpful and I like I thought they

were a little bit high on their price

and I thought they if they got down like

two grand we'd be in the right spot two

grand they refused they refused and they

sold it to somebody else for their

asking price he lost it over 2 G well I

I wasn't I was only willing to pay the

market appropriate price okay we got to

go over a couple more questions next

question is from Pooh it's actually

underscore Pooh if you had to daily

drive a car worth over a million dollar

what would you pick it's a good one can

you list some cars that are worth over a

million dollar uh 250 luo uh what what

other I mean isn't Chiron the answer

Chiron is definitely the answer cuz yeah

it's more reliable than its predecessor

but also it's just like a usable car

it's a it's a Bentley that happens to be

able to do 260 M hour it would be

annoying to drive around on a shun

though people would be excited about it

care GT nobody looks at you could drive

that but it's she she would be tough

tell design Columbus a tell design

Columbus I can't imagine a mill right

because like if they wanted a m says

over a it's not the objection to daily

use it's the objection that it's not

worth like I remember I tried to buy

that car from metal design and they

refused to sell it to me because it is

part of our heritage and I'm thinking to

myself H not a good part okay it says

over a mill you think I offer than 10 10

I would have offered I would have been

willing to go up to 15 cash and you know

what those Italian design houses are all

kind of perpetually in financial trouble

I should stay in I should stay in

contact again I should hit him again

it's like the Gilmore Girls Wrangler I

should hit him again yeah how are things

now I think the shiron is probably the

correct answer there you got a better

answer he doesn't know any cars over

cars over million probably the she

though yeah I don't think the laganda

traff is over a million anymore no it's

not I thought about that cuz what are

like luxury cars over a million bucks

right it's all sports cars and so I

guess the question is asking what super

high-end sports car is the most

reasonable not to getat up in how much

do you think Mercedes would charge me

for their uh

s213 uh off-road version remember the

portal axle 450 pull that up that is a

possibility they me for now hey by the

way what about 6x6 G those aren't a

million bucks anymore though what should

I be looking for just type in E450

portal E450 4x4 squared is I think what

they called it I think that's what they

called it you you got to type in E4 e400

E-class E-class wagon it may have been

an e400 at a time wagon 4x4 squared have

to type it up and then just hit enter

you don't have to delete portal just hit

it there it is yeah there it is wow I

don't think that'd be a million bucks

though but I would I would I would pay

him a million just to

answer this question oh yeah n she runs

the answer I was say what do you think

Volks Lang would want for their uh GTI

W12

no okay next question comes from oh yes

yes fellas what is the best example of a

car that wasn't sold in America but if

it was it would have been a financial

success this is a great question

everybody's always like what do you want

to import what would have been a success

the answer is the Nissan Tera pull it up

Nissan Tera the Nissan Terra here is a

fun fact Terra 2 is fact for our

audience that doesn't know you're think

of the Toronto I am think of the Toronto

2 here's a fun fact for our audience

that doesn't know the Nissan XA which

was a body onframe SUVs thing that was

relatively successful it was canceled in

the US after the 2015 model year right

when offroading became a thing like they

canceled it and then the market blew up

but for our American audience that

doesn't know Nissan continued to make

the xtera in other markets called simply

the Tera and it wasn't as cool looking

but it was still pretty trucky and

capable and they never sold it here at

sell in Asia I think that Nissan's

biggest mistake of and Nissan has made a

ton of mistakes like it's wild but their

biggest mistake was getting rid of the

extera the day before off-roading became

a thing yeah it's a good example and

they could have sold this in the US and

done well maybe a boxier version of it

but yeah in a similar vein I think that

the Curr gen Jimny would have sold well

for a year or two I think it would have

been a hit then people would have

realized it's not a good car but people

drive a lot of bad cars people drive a

lot of bad cars it's cool looking cheap

right I think it would have it would

have been hard to federalize like to get

it to pass Suzuki Suzuki was it's such a

shame about Suzuki they left the US

market like the day before they started

making desirable cars the Swift the new

Swift is cool too they had the ignis

before I know it would became desirable

what was that weird looking Suzuki

hatchback thing we're not going to get

into this do you think the R34 GTR if it

have been sold in the US would have been

pretty successful but the problem was it

would have just been hard and they came

out with the next one well I'm aware but

that's not the spirit of the question

the Suzuki

yeah I think that I think that they

would have been successful with that car

just because there was so much hype

about it at that time but decisions were

made years before the hype started and

it's such a shame but and the R35 killed

it in the end they are R34 GTRs are now

legal they're not left-hand drive there

are some conversions but it's a shame

they real money um Ariel a I was

thinking of some I think I was thinking

of the some sort of ignis hatchback

anyway we we'll discuss off camera all

right uh big Ultima hater 6 asks a very

interesting question do you think the

electric G wagon will face the same

depreciation of other EVS for those of

you who don't know an EV that was

purchased last year is today work the

same as a pencil sharpener does that

apply to the gwag sharp no just a

regular manual does that apply to the

electric G wagon because the G wagon has

always had incredibly strong

depreciation it is not depreciated

incredibly strong not is it going to

follow the depreciation curve of an EV

or the depreciation curve of a G wagon

well I'm going to I think that the

question is a bit of an issue during Co

G5 50s had no depreciation they are

depreciating but not not not as fast

look look at ranges I think that they

will have depreciation like somewhere

between there and most other e if they

do I want one if I can pick one of these

up for 65 I want one I think you've got

a couple years if demand is strong while

Supply is still low but then I don't

think they stay up I'm skep I I

don't I don't I don't necess the thing

with the G is that even what props Up

Older G values is they all look the same

and like I don't think that I don't I

think this the demand will be

sufficiently high for that car for a

pretty long time cuz you sacrifice

basically nothing and you you can drive

for people who want to they want a g but

they want to signal to people that their

environmentally conscious a lot of stars

in La they want the electric one and I

don't and it does look like every other

G the thing about the thing about the

gagon is the only reason everybody wants

one we would all be driving one except

the image is horrible the image is tough

and then there are some people who don't

care about that and just do it anyway

and they're the on creting because of

that but but now here's an opportunity

to get out of the Teslas and get back

into a g and do the electric thing like

you said I I I would love to have one I

think they're cool K makes a good point

they might not appreciate they're going

to depreciate like a G wagon and not

like an EV I agree with K it looks the

same it looks the same they did not mess

with the design of the right drives the

same it drives well yeah it's fast it's

it's bulky and bronny that's what people

like about driving around in traffic in

La who cares yeah and you're sitting

there in silence and like it actually

might be nicer might be more desirable

than the gas one for some people yeah

okay we can do two more questions two

more questions one of them is ridiculous

and one of them is good the good one is

from Ryan JG JG GJ if you were to all

choose a different car for the $18,000

Enthusiast challenge what car would you

choose ham turbo knowing the challenges

or not knowing the challenges yeah

knowing the challenges which most people

don't yet know all challenges but what

would you choose I would I legit would

choose a paname tro it's a good Choice

yeah it's arguably a better choice than

what you made it is arguably a better

choice yeah I I didn't put a lot of

thought into it when we had when when

Sean came to actually what what what you

said what you said when we proposed it

was I will only do this if I'm in a

Cayenne didn't I also say or a PanAm I

think but definitely wanted a kind

prefer to

kind I think for if I'm like just buying

an $118,000 car the two that come to

mind besides the C6 C ride that I did

buy an S2000 you can get a pretty nice

S2000 for 18 you can also get a mediocre

996 911 neither would have been better

for these challenges the C6 would is the

right car for the challenges but fipo

interesting cars you thinking the drag

race no no no no I what I'm

saying I'm thinking out people don't

drag race yet Dr uh in the the in the

challenges I think that those would have

both performed worse than the car I

chose but I like if I $18,000 cars what

about you what if we had forced you to

not have an E39 M5 E60 M5

they had to stop a lot for a fuel uh no

E60 M5 was another one I but man for the

price rury in there some tough e60s I

don't know we would have made it and

they're all SMG

obviously but then I was thinking yeah

if I were thinking automat I considered

w211 E55 amgs those are right in that

price range and that is a lot of car I

want to switch to that now what you take

I already have it too late I said it

first the right option you you can have

yeah you can have a wagon um but those

aren't those are good that's okay fine

those are good e65 actually would have

been funny and interesting yeah but it

would have exploded okay last question

three for 18

uh good Lu good luck charging fully okay

final question is from Nick shei and it

is kenon go over to the thing the

question is I have an important question

is the thing here a fake air intake or a

blinker signal on the little logo

obviously it's think it's a blink it's

where the side indicator is yeah okay

what do you think I yeah I thought I

thought it was a blinker suicide door

handle okay that is the other option I

agree with but like you'd be opening

this half of the car like it'd be

opening the fender of the car also I

love our designer dearly I don't think

he thought about Sude doors no I think

it's one of those a lot of cars have

like fake intake vents there no no it's

a it's a side indicator no and it better

Amber by law I think they're always

Amber on the side I think well in other

markets it can be white you ad you

advised on the logo surely when I it was

I remember being pitched this in a

couple others and I was like I like them

all by way have you there are others

this is the car we chose for the logo

but there are other cars there are other

cars we made other cars did you you know

that there's like trucks and stuff I

think I do remember I think I have them

there's also some like some some of them

too close to a car one like a 458 this

looked like that Honda electric Honda

thing didn't it that Honda evu thing

that sold in other markets the the Honda

Honda E Yeah does not look like a Honda

e at all it looked like it looked like

some concept car version of the Honda e

that was copier someone will post in the

comments about it anyway the point is

nobody understand what you're friend

that's an intake uh not a blinker and if

it was a blinker it would be Amber and

white blinker side are not allowed

agreed before we sign off we have one

more thing to discuss someone sent us a

dog someone who sent us a business card

saying that they were a Subaru

Ambassador his name was Fred sent us

this dog the dog has a caller that says

Subaru and on the thing it says no on

the it doesn't like you on the thing it

says Subaru loves pets I'll tell you

what if you can name the state for me

that the company is headquartered in

that created this dog IND Indiana

obviously nope New Hampshire the dog

stays with the company that made the dog

you I should have listened yep the dog

stays with me you can have him too his

name will be Fred after the person who

got him for us after Mike the Audi thing

robot and then these bizarre Toyota

things speaking of the bizarre Toyota

things by the way thank you Fred for our

dog which thank is very plush and

beautiful no you can't the dog uh

speaking of the Toyota things again we

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