I Want What I Want

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Chaos and AVB. Hey, guys, it is a great day

for a radio show. I know the temperatures in our

area are starting to drop down, which then gives you the opportunities I always say to grab a chair, sit back, relax, get yourself a little drink and drinking, and enjoy the show because it's just starting to become an indoor days, I guess is what it's called. You know, most all,

the car show is a pretty much wound up. I

know there's a couple still cars and coffees out the floating around out there for next probably the next couple of weeks. But you know, when you wake up in

the morning and they're frost on the ground, you pretty much know that the cars are put away for the for the year, at least they should be. I'm just saying.

I mean, you know, especially if you live in a place where they put salt down on the road.

Speaker 3: That time of the year where the heating system is breaking, But this time, the good thing is it broke in the right way.

Speaker 4: So if you don't have heat in your car, now's the time to get it.

Speaker 2: Remember how you're like, oh, I deal with heat later, I got AC and then when it gets to winter time, you're like, oh, I don't have a c always.

Speaker 5: I spent I spent a lot of.

Speaker 2: Time this week. I got a lot of different things

sent to me, an email, topics, people, stories from other people, and stuff, and some of I found kind of interesting this week. So I wanted to really jump into him

and talk about one of the articles I read this week.

And I don't know what the title it was, but basically I kind of titled I was like, I want what I want, and I.

Speaker 3: Want what I want.

Speaker 2: Okay. So it was talking about the article and I'm

sorry that I can't remember who wrote it, but somebody sent it over to me and I was reading. It

was a good art I was reading. I enjoyed it.

It was talking about things that we've discussed in the past.

So it was talking about the car market, right, and people buying cars and getting you know, winter car get no getting no runular cars, just getting kind of getting over their head when they buy a car and then they decide they want something else, be it a year later, and then the upside down this in the car is so crazy. Like the story that they gave me was

a guy trying to leave one car and getting the Mercedes.

I was reading, and he's twenty nine thousand dollars upside out already within like a year. So they're trying to

find a way to bury the twenty nine thousand dollars in the next new car. Now it was a twenty

twenty four he bought, Now he wants to twenty five.

He's twenty nine thousand dollars. I don't own no different car.

I think one of them is the Genesis and then you want to get into Mercedes, but he's twenty nine thousand dollars, so you're trying to find a way to bury that twenty nine thousand dollars into a loan. And

you guys have heard me talk about this before. We

as people, I believe, when it comes to wanting what you want, are extremely negligent because the I want it takes over versus like reality and responsibility and all that kind of stuff.

Speaker 4: And I told you, guys, when I worked at the car.

Speaker 2: Dealership for the short period time that I did, I told you I worked for a toy to dealership when for the Christmas holidays many many many many moons ago when I was young man, and I saw a lot of the I want what I want mentality with people.

I told you I had people who come in and we would do their financials, and we do their financials.

There's just they had no business trying to buy a new car, but their want for it was so strong they were willing to sacrifice everything right including eating, as far as what the finances showed. I mean to have

that new car to keep up the joneses whatever it is, and the want factor overtakes just a common sense, I guess maybe the best way to put it. And so

as I was reading this art, cause like I've I've seen so much of this, like it doesn't matter. Like

I've watched people when I was the military, and guys wanted to customize their car. They just want it, like

it's just a want. They want to do things in

their car. I want to put a stereo in it,

and I want to put wheels on it. And I

watched themselves sign themselves up to the most financially irresponsible things on earth as far as I was concerned. To

get the wheels or get that stereo. You know, they

go high interest. You know peddlers. There used to be

a lot of them in our area that were companies who specialized in loaning money. But through specialized like the

especially they did, they expec they were. They had stereos

and rims and you name it. All these companies. They

had anything you wanted. If you were a military guy,

you got it. They didn't care because they knew they

were getting their money. You sign a piece of paper

or they just take it out of your paycheck. They

know they're getting their money, and they'll give you whatever they want. They just it's just the way it would work.

And it always, it always baffled me. I always thought,

I was like, God, this is this is a really bad practice for a young man or a young lady that's in the military that just doesn't know any better and is naive and just and has the eye want what I want mentality, right, And then you know, they would show up like the next week and you know, they got a car and it's now lowered, and it's got wheels on, it's got rims on it, and I know, looking at the stuff, being a car guy, that it's they got like twelve fifteen thousand dollars worth of stuff now on their car they did not have before. And

I know what a young sailor when I was in the Navy, who made you know. So I was just like,

that's it's kind of right.

Speaker 4: You're giving it all away just to you know what I mean.

Speaker 2: And now I and I understood that to a certain degree because I think I told you guys, you don't make a whole lot of money in the military. If

you don't know, most of you guys that listen to this show in our area or probably military or old military related. There's a good chunk you guys that listen.

So you guys know the money is not fruitful in the military. That's not the reason why people do it.

Maybe later on as you make rank and longevity and bha or baq and all that stuff. You know, then

you start there's some money, but you're still never going to get rich, right. I when I was in the military,

I told you guys, and I bought my brand new car.

I bought a brand new car off the showroom floor, for a first car I ever bought off the showroom floor.

And I was so excited. And it was nothing like

I told you guys before. It was nothing special, you

know what I mean. It was a Chevy Cavalier, which

most people go, oh, I loved my Cavalier. I That

thing was a workhorse. It ran forever. Never had any

problems with that. I've told you guys about that car.

It was on one of the better cars I probably approached, and I've owned to a lot of cars of my time, because it just ran. It did exactly what was supposed

to do. I got in, I knew it would turn

the key, it go anywhere I wanted to go. I

drove that car nine and a half hour drives almost every single weekend, one way. Never had any issues with it.

But as pay in wanting what I wanted, I wanted something new because I didn't ani truck and there was no way I was driving a lowered mini truck a long distance and stuff just to make any sense, So I want to buy a new car, and just on my pay alone, between car insurance and the car payment, it pretty much just took a paycheck all the paycheck.

And I'm not talking about one paycheck. I'm talking about

my monthly pay. It basically took all my money. That

was it. Because you shouldn't make a whole lot of

money back then. But when I was younger, you know, I.

Speaker 4: Kind of look it was you fell into that I want what I wanted.

Speaker 6: This I knew I really thinking about car insurance either, you know, he obviously goes up if you get something newer or out.

Speaker 2: So I originally looked at an m R two. I

was going to buy an m R two, I think, and I think that was a turbo model if I remember correct like that. I really I just thought they

were cool cars and I want to one so I could afford it. I went ahead to the finance and

they're like, oh, yeah, we can get you in the car and stuff like that. I'm like, all right, I'm

glad that I had the forethought at that point in time to go before I signed this paperwork, which most people don't. They just buy the car and added to

their insurance. I was like, let me call my insurance

company my insurance on that car. Now, keep in mind,

I told you guys, I wasn't exactly the best young man in the angry years. I did things behind the

wheel I probably should have never did. And so mine

surance was what it was at my own accord. But

the insurance I think on that car was going to be like five hundred and sixty dollars a month. Wow,

this is in the nineties, you know what I mean, So their early nineties, and the car payment was going to be like like three hundred dollars a month. So

I was like, oh, I can't afford that because my paycheck that, you know what I mean. So that's why.

But I was at they had a big, huge, like one of those big car sales events, and they had it out at the Remember Craik was at the coliseum out here and stuff. So they had like there was

probably five hundred and six hundred cars out there to take a look at outside and then inside the coliseum they had cars inside the coliseum for sale. It was

a neat little experience. And I went there and I,

like sid of fell in love with that car and I wanted and I realized I couldn't afford it, so then led me the next week to go look at the Cavalier because Cavalier was coming out with a new body style and I thought that was kind of cool, and I knew the cars were a little bit more affordable, and that's how I ended up buying that car. Was

the first one they got in on the showroom floor.

And I bought that car.

Speaker 4: And it wasn't even like I said, it wasn't any special, wasn't.

Speaker 2: Even fully loaded. Was just it was just a Cavalier.

But once again, that car suited the purpose of what I wanted, and I wanted. I didn't have to have it.

I already had a mini truck at the time, but I wanted it, and it was a want for me because and maybe it was a little bit of a need to a certain degree, I knew that I wanted to drive from here back to Chicago every single weekend.

I knew I wasn't doing it in a lowered mini truck, you know, I mean just and I did it one time.

I did it one time and realized that that was never going to happen again. Because anybody who drives many trucks,

you guys, know, they don't exactly ride the best sometimes, especially back in the nineties, they really didn't ride the best, and it, you know literally, yeah, it would you know, rattle your teeth loose for all that long drive. So

I found it funny when I saw this. I found

it funny when I saw this article that was talking about just when it comes to automobiles and the payments and the buying extras for their cars and stuff, people get caught up in that I want when I want mentality to just get it, and they don't think about it.

I mean, like in this particular article, the payment it's gonna be like twenty five hundred dollars a month by time he wrapped the twenty hundred dollars upside down. Plus

they wanted like seven seventy five hundred dollars down.

Speaker 6: You know what, I mean, and I've always said, like when you're buying a car, you know, it's kind of like important to know like what you're paying for, you know what, like just because something is brand new, Like I feel like, you know, a lot what a lot of people do is like you know, it's just because brand new, you know, they throw that big old price tag on it. It doesn't mean it justifies that price

tag though. You know, some cars kind of justify, you know,

why you're paying for what you're paying, but some are just you know, are junk that you're paying a really premium for just because it's brand new.

Speaker 2: I'll give you, I'll give you a perfect example. Another

article somebody sent me UH this week and it was a blurb from UH. I was it was an article

then it was connected to like the blog of people discussing discussing it afterwards. And I found that kind of

interesting because it was people talking about their cars and stuff and they're like, well, it's my car, and it's you know, it's up to me what I have, and you don't understand, like and you know, it's what they paid for certain cars, and people are like, that's just way too much money for a car and then the justification for it was, which was weird to me, was well, you don't understand what this car is. This car is a blah blah

blah and they only made so many and stuff like that.

And maybe it's bad because I'm the first one to tell you I don't care what you drive as long as you're in the car car culture and you like customize your car and buying things stuff like that.

Speaker 4: I find the strangest things cool.

Speaker 2: Take a look at some of my history at some of the car shows we've been invited you to be judges my judging history. I don't always go to the

most shiny thing or the most expensive car, the coolest car on the lot, because yeah, it's cool, but it you know, there's other stuff out there. If you really

dig deep and kind of look at other cars, you'll find things. Like I said, I always use John's truck

in front of ours. John, It's got a rat rod truck.

It's not the typical, you know, everyday show queen vehicle, but it's cool and it's one of a lot of a lot of technolg Right, it's not anything. So I

found it interesting when the defense was, well, you don't understand.

Speaker 4: You know, my car is one of five hundred made.

Speaker 2: And like I said, I understand people like what they like and I'm not judging anything, but just that defense always irks me because they go, well, you could have one of five hundred pieces of junk. I mean, I

don't care they made five hundred them. You own one

of five hundred, it's still one of the five hundred pieces of junk they made. It's almost like saying, uh, well,

I had a Dart the newer ones, you know, and it had blah blah blah blah blah blah blah done to it. It's still rated as one of the worst

cars that came out. When they threw the Dart name

back on things, I mean, that was a bad idea.

That's reason why DODG stopped making them. You've you had

one of five hundred pieces of junk, I mean, congratulations is still a piece of junk.

Speaker 3: And I.

Speaker 2: Hate using that analogy. So, like I said, because I

really don't care what you drive, as long as you're working on things stuff like that, You're cool with me.

Speaker 5: No if you enjoy it, but you should know what you can want.

Speaker 4: But when you try to use that analogy to justify can't.

Speaker 5: Put a lipstick on a lot of things right, right exactly?

Speaker 2: Game was, well, have you ever been down to the farmage.

I'm just it's the analogies that people use to justify some things. They are just they seem absurd to me.

There is a lot of cars out there that I know people think they're cool, and I'm okay with that.

If that's your niche, that's what you like. Like so

the fieral craze, a lot of people don't understand the fieral crazy. There's a whole fiaral culture out there, and

there's a lot of people think they're like one of the worst cars they were made. As well, there's people

out there that like gremlins people you know, you talk about Gremlins and pintos and people think they're some of the biggest pieces of junk made too. But there's a

culture for it. But when you try to get any

heat at battle into the conversation of justifying your purchase of value right of value, then that's where you kind of lose me because I'm just like, I don't care how many they made.

Speaker 4: That doesn't mean anything to me.

Speaker 2: If it's still a piece of junk. It's still a

piece of junk.

Speaker 5: And how close can you replicate that same thing?

Speaker 2: For right, I agree with you. But here so here's

the thing with like I think I told you guys the story, there was a guy who had a Ford Mustang who even if you look at the Mustang, anybody looks at it, they go.

Speaker 4: It's nothing special. It's kind of a piece of junk musting.

Speaker 2: It's a little worn out, it's got some little dents and dings and stuff like that. But every day I

saw that guy, he was waxing his car in a parking lot somewhere never. I don't even know where the

guy lives. I saw the guy in a parking lot

more times than I'm counted my hands and my toes, waxing that car in a parking lot, putting armorole on the tires. I don't know if every place he went

he added more armor, I don't know. But you could

tell that was his pridate joy.

Speaker 6: He was looking for a friend though, like just set up and was like, you know, hoping someone like walks over, like to mingle with mee you know.

Speaker 2: Like maybe, But like I said, every time I saw the guy, he was waxing the car or wiping the car down or something. And you knew that even though

you look at the car and going, it's just a Mustang that's a little beat up, but not to him obviously, and Joy and at that from that point as a call car culture kind of guy, I get it like I understand it from that perspective, and I had a lot of respect for that. That's the reason why I say, Look,

it may be junk to you, but to somebody else, they might have saved up their whole life to get what you consider a piece of junk. So keep that

in mind. I don't know you tell me what you

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to Let's Talk Cars Radio, your automotive specialist.

Now back to your host, Dave Polach.

Speaker 2: Hey, guys, welcome back. So before we started the show today,

Nathaniel and I were kind of talking about manufacturers and as far as like maybe the best way to put is their place in this world, as far as because like every manufacturer, like when you talk about Toyota, you say, okay, Toyota, the very first thing people think about is Toyda pickup trucks.

They think about the Toyota camery. Now there's offers other

things that stand out, but those are the two that stand out for the most for people. When you say Dodge, right,

the second you think Dodge, you're probably thinking more charger, charger, Challenger and maybe one of their trucks.

Speaker 6: Right, You're not to associate each brand vehicles, what they do, they're purpose.

Speaker 2: So the reason why this came up and Hollis came around was we are the conversation about Nissan. Of course,

if you guys haven't been reading lately, you see that there was an article about Nissan. It says Nissan possibly

could have only about a year left and then they may not exist. So and then the thing it was like,

oh yeah, I heard that. You know, they were trying

to get Haunted to buy them or something like a buy into over.

Speaker 5: Yeah, talking about kind of partnering, and I.

Speaker 2: Was like, well yeah. I was like, the reason why

is because they're in trouble. People aren't buying Nissans at

the rate that they used to h you know, they've curved down the models and they've curbed now production and everything else because people just aren't I guess in the Nissans like they used to be. I don't know that'll.

Speaker 3: Help with their newer model. I mean, what the three

not the three seventy, but the four hundred Z where it just looked ugly.

Speaker 2: I mean I didn't I didn't think a little bit.

Speaker 1: I think it was terrible.

Speaker 3: The driver, I mean not like it.

Speaker 2: I don't think it was bad at all.

Speaker 4: I think I like what you what you had at one time.

Speaker 6: I think marketing just has to go to a different approach.

You know, it's a little I think it's a little harder to sell cars nowadays and then say it was prior back then. I feel like, you know, people don't

get the what's the word where you know you kind of feel like you're missing out. I feel like people

don't feel like they're missing out on anything this opportunity, Like, yeah, you know, I feel like people don't feel they're missing out on anything anymore. So you know, they're not going

out to buy something brand new or you know what people aren't buying.

Speaker 2: I personally believe that happened with the Super. I believe

that I really thought the Super was going to be a whole wave again because you know, of what we around, right, of the hype around, because what we know of the Super right, Super still demand very large money for nineteen ninety three, ninety four's is what all the way up what ninety seven I think it was. They still demand

a lot of money. Uh So, I think people were

anticipating the hype and the Super and then it came out and I didn't see people fly to go by, and like I really thought they were going to because it made sense me. I'm like, Okay, they're gonna do

the superin It's gonna have good horsepower and whatnot. It

So I really thought that I started seeing a lot of them, But you really don't see a whole lot of them driving around. You just don't uh, and the

price point aren't horrible on them, so that a new rate.

It's almost like the the b r Z right, And what's the Toyota eighty three, I think is what it is?

The same car.

Speaker 5: There's three of them.

Speaker 2: I thought they were going to go a lot further with that than they did, and then there would be a little bit more hype in that, and that that faded off.

Speaker 4: It dropped off because I think people just don't get excited.

Speaker 6: I think I think it could have been really good hype.

I think the whole concept around it was just for it to be an entry level car for anybody that wanted to have, you know a little a little bit of performance, Yeah, but nothing but nothing you know that's out of like price rem.

Speaker 2: Right, Okay, So that makes sense. That's the reason why.

So moving kind of a different Toyota has you know, we talked about I think a little while back, has talked about that they're gonna have they're gonna bring out the Selica back, which look at the horsepower numbers and what it's gonna be is actually kind of exciting when you read it, But then I wonder, is it gonna kind of be is it gonna flop kind of like what the super did.

Speaker 4: I don't know.

Speaker 2: I look at the car. It looks cool. The horsepower

number is definitely there for what it's gonna be.

Speaker 10: It's definitely gonna have some great horsepower numbers for the size of the car it is.

Speaker 6: But are they just gonna throw where the with the camera already has in it and just throw that in the silica?

Speaker 2: No? But because you get to make the horsepower and

the camera doesn't make that horsepower.

Speaker 5: So I'm looking right.

Speaker 4: So, like I said, I mean, you have that height.

Speaker 2: But there's certain models of cars that like, Okay, you tell me how many Dodge Neons you see out there driving around anymore. There used to be tons of them,

and they're they're nowhere around. And I don't think that

the Neon for what it was, I don't think what's a bad car. A lot of people flock from them

because of the price. I mean, I can go even

further back on the Dodge market, the Dodge Omnie. There

used to be tons of Dodge Omnies running around because the price point was right. I think at one point

in time, if I remember correctly, you could buy a Dodge Omni for like sixteen ninety five, sixteen hundred and ninety five dollars for a brand new one. Okay, now

everybody goes, well, money was different back then and people didn't make as much. Still at the end of that,

I think a Chevy Corvette in the same era right there was like twenty four thousand dollars, So you know, you kind of look at the math nowadays, a Chevy Court Now if you look at a Corvette nowadays, or let's just say, let's go before the latest body change, you were into a Corvette for sixty seven seventy thousand dollars when your average nice car was right there in the fifties, so it wasn't too far apart.

Speaker 4: It's it's just funny how that it all works.

Speaker 2: There's so many cars that I can think of through my generation that were go to cars like you knew you're like, okay, Like we were talking about the Nissan, the Nissan going away. I remember when the Nissan hard

body was like it was a workhorse. Everybody wanted that truck.

That truck was cool. People modified and people just using

for work and stuff like that. You couldn't kill that truck.

You couldn't kill their early model model toyotas up trucks.

Speaker 3: All right, I just want to bring this backup, just real.

Speaker 2: You can't leave it off. The man's chomping of the

bits got on the screen. We're talking about something about

this car. You brought me ahead.

Speaker 3: You brought me some backup. He's like, isn't the four

hundred Z look like the moss the three No, I don't think it's no like the of It looks like I should.

Speaker 10: It still resembles the three fifty Z. It still resembles

it to me as my personal not gonna be wrong.

Speaker 2: I've been wrong before.

Speaker 5: It has the carricks.

Speaker 2: See Karen's got a pitturecause I do. He's gonna go

look up because I just know him well enough that he's gonna look it up. It's that car store resembles it,

like I said. But like I said, the Toya pickup truck,

the Nissan pickup truck. Uh, the Centras from back in

the nineties, the Maximums in the nineties, they were workhorses.

Everybody wanted him. In fact, you asked anybody nowadays that

that it's in the car business, they still if they needed a beat or to drive around, but probably take one of the older Maximas. You couldn't kill them. You

just could not kill that car. They had little everything

has a little corks. Everybody go, wait a minute, what

about this. I'm I I understand that every car has

a little quarks, but iron an iron block, you know, just clad vehicle. The old Toyda cameras, they were four

hundred thousand mile cars all day long. You knew you

were getting that out of them, as long as you do the time belt on it. Because I had quite

a few come through with time belt issues, but they were right. It was at the time to have a

time bell issue. Right. So with that being the case,

I think you're right to a certain degree. There's no

love for what's out It's just these are just it's people.

It's transportation again, right right, No, there's no passion for oh man, I really got to have one of those.

It's just like, that's kind of a cool car. I'm

gonna look good and it gives me. Whatever you buy

gives you a certain amount of clout. Right by what

you have, I'm gonna get the right amount of cloud that I'm looking for for my money. And you should

move forward when people used to look for like me, just use I did call Ford this week?

Speaker 5: Did you?

Speaker 2: Yeah? I did, because I'm trying to get the release

on on on the four twenty nine she I did.

Speaker 4: Shelby is going to be released early part of the year.

Speaker 10: The rt RS, the roush Racing Radio ouch whatever it's racing, those those are gonna be those are I think they said, there's already two schedule.

Speaker 2: For twenty twenty five's to hit my local dealership, So on.

Speaker 5: The Shelby or on one Shelby and two.

Speaker 10: Of the RCR cars or whatever, kidding, they're already that hit, so they're gonna have those.

Speaker 2: So those are already scheduls to come out. And I said, okay,

what about the four twenty nine. We keep on hearing

about the Boss for twenty nine and they're like, well, I haven't really heard what a release date is. In fact,

I don't have very much data on alle like what it's all over a line. It's obviously not a hoax,

but what's gonna be the release date? And nobody can

tell you what the release date's gonna be, so I don't know.

Speaker 4: But that's where I understand that's trying to try and expight.

Speaker 2: That's where the passion is obviously, when you get to the point where you're like, man, this is gonna People are excited about something new. Every time something new comes

out that's cool. People are excited about it being cool

and being new.

Speaker 3: So you basically just told Nate, hey, go turn in your Mustang because the Shelby is coming to a dealership.

Speaker 1: Mird.

Speaker 2: Well, actually the he's coming to the dealership he bought his car from. He didn't know. He didn't he didn't

give me the price point on it. But he just

he's like, well, I don't know about you, know how it is. I don't know about the Boss. What I

can tell you is, here's what we have coming.

Speaker 5: This was an addition, right right exactly?

Speaker 2: But by what right? Okay?

Speaker 10: So, like I told you, I like the idea of the Boss for the reasons I like it.

Speaker 4: Uh, if it's not that I can't say.

Speaker 2: That I would go buy Shelby or buy the Roush edition or something like that, I honestly can't tell you because I'm infatuate with the the idea of what the Boss is and what it represents and all that kind of stuff. So that's kind of my hook. If I

don't buy that, it probably will be something completely different.

It could end up being a Camaro. So, like I said,

I actually don't know, it could be it could be a challenger who who knows. I like the idea of

the Boss Musting right this second, because, like I said, it is what it is, so I understand that passion of I guess that falls back around. But I want

to say that.

Speaker 6: But if not the Boss, do you want to think of anything that compares close to it? Because you're just

kind of saying you're like it because of like the iconic of it.

Speaker 2: I do.

Speaker 5: So here's not necessarily you know what last.

Speaker 2: Night's funny ask me that. So I thought about it

was like, okay, so if I can't get the Boss Mustang and let's just say decide not to do it doesn't get released something like that, do I still want a Mustang? And I was like, I'm not against it,

but once again, it would have to be something special. So,

so you want something iconic, I want something like write I want something iconic. So I would almost feel like

I'd have to buy like a Shelby and then have the Ohio company do the crazy what but motor stuff they do on those things and make it, you know, fourteen hundred horsemen crazier and then right, because then it would be iconic, and then it would be something I'd be like, Okay, not everybody has one of those, and that's what it is for me. I get tired of

everybody having the same thing.

Speaker 5: What's your point for someone like that though, because obviously you know, I say probably ninety.

Speaker 2: I mean realistically, by time you buy Shelby and I do the things I want to do, it probably about ninety.

The Shelby's not the Shelby's my understanding.

Speaker 4: Look at the Shelby is price.

Speaker 5: You guys can see.

Speaker 7: Everything else.

Speaker 2: The Shellby right in the second if you get the Shelby, the Shelby right now, it is priced from seventy to ninety thousand dollars.

Speaker 5: I'm thinking about one twenty.

Speaker 6: So for for like the package for you know, if you want like the top premium of the Shelby, I'm about like one twenty after everything's said and done.

Speaker 2: Yeah, but I'm talking to me.

Speaker 3: I was SKay at my forty two thousand dollars to Corolla.

That will last me to four.

Speaker 5: Hundred thousand miles.

Speaker 2: You guys like, but here's what I want to iconic.

Speaker 6: But like I said, you know earlier when it comes to something like iconic, and so those tend to hold value more than.

Speaker 5: Say if you picked up a van and twenty percent.

Speaker 3: I go to the Toyota Super Racing Team and I go get a super or a not super racing team, the Toyota Racing team, and I just go get the racing type Corolla that has that little bit you.

Speaker 2: Like that Corolla. Yeah, I watched the whole thing. It's

funny you say that because I literally watched a whole thing on that Corolla, and I watched it. It's actually

pretty a little quick for what I was shocked how quick was for what it is. But once again, it's

got be your niche that has to be right, Like the Corolla is at my next meet it. But here's

the thing. It's a fast little Corollah.

Speaker 5: So I mean fast, right, I mean it is.

Speaker 2: Obviously I'm talking about putting twin turbos in a car that already comes with six horsepower, you know what I mean?

Speaker 10: So right, we'll talk about it after hold on, all right, let me go ahead and take a quick horsion break.

Speaker 2: We'll circle back around to this hold type right back.

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Speaker 2: Guys, welcome back. Hey, I've said a thousand times if

you could hear some of the conversations we have during our commercial breaks, sometimes they're a.

Speaker 4: Show with inside itself. I agree, But you know what

they're not.

Speaker 2: They're not a failure. But that's a whole nother story

for another day. That shoots me the daggers. All Right,

I got something else for you, guys. So we were

talking about cars and were we were we were talking, we were talking about cars. We were talking about the

fact that, uh it may not be it's like a niche market for this and that that might be the reason why. And you go to this product because you

know it for this, like I've always said, the Toyota Siena Van, like for the longest time. If you want

to know you want a good minivan, you went to Toyota and you grabbed a Siana Van. Uh So, with

that being said, there was somebody else sent me another article.

This one's actually wrote this one down. I remember Larry

Prince was the guy who wrote the article. Was actually

pretty good. It was talking about failure cars, right, So

cars that manufacturers came out with it just never took off, I guess, or ever hit the market. And I was saying,

for the most part, it was a good art. He

was pretty much kind of on point, like, can you think of a car that they made that just never took off? It never took off. I mean there's there's

a bunch of.

Speaker 6: Them, Yeah, a bunch of like like you know, you like niche market cars and stuff.

Speaker 5: I mean, like you said, like the Dart kind of.

Speaker 10: Okay, So if you remember we talked about one of we've talked about it comes up on the show all the time, was the Pontiac Aztec, right, Okay, remember and Larry had one, so you remember he had well he had the one close to it.

Speaker 2: It was like not the attick, but he had the old and bile whatever. It was basically the same thing.

And it's I'll say that was like a niche market with that vehicle. But as I explained, like that that vehicle, uh,

it's far when they first introduced and I first saw that vehicle, it had so many things they were going to do with it. It was going to be like

you're all around car you could drive in every day, and then you could take it camping, like the back hatch opened up and it popped a tent out the back, and then you know, they showed it with kayaks on top of it had all these different things, and nobody ever really did that with.

Speaker 5: That vehicle, kind of like what the outback was supposed to be.

Speaker 2: Kinda but if you go look up all the crazy things that they were going to do with the Aztec, there was a lot of different things that went with that car to make it. It's almost like having like

a tiny like camping RV. Yeah, it was a car

like that was kind of like the concept behind it.

I remember seeing a lot of commercials. I saw a

lot of displays for it, for all these things they were going to do to it.

Speaker 4: So I started thinking about that.

Speaker 2: So in his article, like one of the fields with the Fiat five hundred horrible, you guys, remember that car your uncle Chris had on car. Remember he showed up

with that with that little rental car the field, I mean, the one that he could reach over to the passenger's side.

And then just so my brother is like, I don't know, six foot five or whatever, and so you know, he's a tall guy and one.

Speaker 3: That he didn't even want to park in the driveway, parked it down at yeah yeah.

Speaker 2: So because he knew I was gonna joke. And remember,

so he kind of he decided to get like he must want to ask for like the cheapest rent a car, and he shows up in this Fiat five hundred. So

you got this big, tall guy in this little tiny car.

And of course it's like putting a big guy in a smart car, which has always been the joke. So

that one, as far as I can say, the Fiat.

And on top of that, I told you guys, saw we had to work on him back in the day when they were kind of first start come out of their popular and things they're fit, like clutches and stuff are failing. You couldn't find parts for him. The cars

just sat forever. You could not get parts for him,

and then come to find out all these years later, they still have the same problem. I know one that

has sat for almost six months waiting for the master for it because you couldn't you couldn't find what he had one right, So I always tell you guys, imagine that, you know, being the case. Another car that was out

there was and you guys made the Ford Eco Sport another weird just a little kind of car that came.

Speaker 5: Out that I think is right around time, like the Focus to right, Yeah he was.

Speaker 2: So it's just never really kind of took off. Ford

Flex ford Flex is another horrible one, and.

Speaker 5: The Focus as well.

Speaker 6: And there they were funny because they all kind of could pee each other. You kind of see like one

one brand does like a like a small compact car.

Other brands come out with their own version of the compact car.

Speaker 3: It's funny that you guys mentioned the Focus though, because I can remember when when Focus was like such a joke of the So then we had one in the back and everybody was like.

Speaker 2: Do you have a Focus for sale? I got one

from auction and then we fixed it and sold it.

I told you we should do that with tons of cars.

That's how these guys learned how to work on cars.

Another one that was in his article which I I agree with, and I I remember, I've only seen two of these in the wild when I say them wild, out on the roads or in a repair shop. The

Chevy Envoy h X U V. So everybody's seen a

Chevy Envoy, but the x UV allowed you to fold down the back and make it a pickup truck so it looked like I should be and then full down to make pic truck I only seem to.

Speaker 3: Was also another supercar that didn't really say there's people that.

Speaker 4: Still there's people still like them.

Speaker 2: The no, I don't think it saw what it is.

I'm talking like complete failures, like these are cars like people probably even forgot exists. Another one, the Hanta Crossover.

A lot of people don't remember that car because you didn't see a whole lot, but it was what was it like suv Honda who we've seen like a mix between like an Accord and an Suv. Uh they did

they just didn't take off, Uh, they just And so I agree with one that I've only seen two of.

Another one i've only seen two or maybe three. I

think I can remember. Two was the Lincoln Blackwood. Uh,

not a common name. A lot of people probably don't

remember that vehicle, but it was a pickup truck. And

every time I saw that vehicle, because Blackwood, I would think of I was like I thought of black and mild every time. I don't know what right did it?

Because I was like I just thought it was a little it was a silly name for a vehicle, and then when you saw it written on it, this is what I thought of I said.

Speaker 10: I think I only saw two, maybe three at the most I saw of those actually out in the.

Speaker 2: Wild, so it was a whole lot of them. Now,

this one I didn't agree with because I know a lot of people that own these in school and had great successful and this was on the list.

Speaker 4: It was a mission Bish Mirage.

Speaker 2: Now I agree the newer Mirages are probably junk, but the older Mirages. When I was in school, a lot

of people had a Mission Bishi Mirage and they were another one of those vehicles.

Speaker 4: It almost feel like you couldn't kill that vehicle.

Speaker 2: It just it drove.

Speaker 4: And what I mean, kil I know a lot of people that just drive cars.

Speaker 2: They don't do maintenance to them, they doing anything, especially you know during the school years and stuff. They just drove.

They didn't they didn't keep up with the maintenans and the car just kept on going down the road. Another

one that I thought that it probably never really took up was a Cadillac at.

Speaker 4: Lante like convertible or whatever it was.

Speaker 2: I don't think that really took off the way they thought that that car was going to go, but it was it was one that was out there, one that he had on his list is this is different, but I have an opinion on the whole car. So the

Nissan Morano Cross Caberlet, I've never seen one of those.

It was on his list. Was first I've ever seen

a picture of one. You know that, you know, you

know that car even existed.

Speaker 3: Such a long name. Why why you have such a

long name for.

Speaker 2: Well, first of all, the Niss' Marano was just a really bad idea from having to work on the aspect of being in the automotive business and them coming in and I had to get my guys to work on them.

They were just young. They blow transmissions. I literally talked

a friend of ours out of he bought one, and I was like, please get rid of it, just sell it, get rid of it. And he was like, well, I

just got it. He liked. I was like, and I

gave him all the lists of the reasons why he should have known it. He went in and got rid

of it. So, but they were the transmissons were dropping out,

and they had all kinds of electrical problems. There's a

lot of things going on with it. But you know,

you can't tell everybody a thing. There's so many cars.

Like I said, the camera's going through some lists. I

see you over there looking at some there's cars that, like I was, forgot even existed.

Speaker 3: Instead of like cars, I was like looking at inventions that came out but didn't really make it. You know, like, uh,

the back window that rolls down. You know, we still

see it sometimes, but it didn't really make it as big as it was in the suburbans it was in station wagons.

Speaker 6: Do I was, I do kind of miss were back in the days where you could like pour the back windows open if you were like in the back seat.

Speaker 5: You talk about like an suv and you can pop, you can you can vent the windows.

Speaker 2: You can't really do that now, man, we remember had that.

Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, just like say like compact car.

Speaker 3: Apparently there used to be a in car motorcycle, so course used to go.

Speaker 2: I think it was not to Honda, wasn't It wasn't a Honda. That's cool, it was it was a little

It was like so if you broke down and stuff like having spare tiger, you had a little motorcycle that popped out and you could ride the motor.

Speaker 6: So we took half the gas had out so we can we could put your motorcycle.

Speaker 10: By the way, those things all the different, all the different styles of those are sought after.

Speaker 2: Highly.

Speaker 5: That's really cool because.

Speaker 6: It's just's if you're like if you're like tailgating and you got to go up to the store real quick.

Speaker 3: Motorcycles never took off.

Speaker 2: Here's the adventure I told I think I told you guys about this. I cannot find it, but I had

a picture of it one time. And it was an

add on to the vehicle. But you used to put

your kids out on the running boards of the car and it was like a little bait, you know, almost like a dog gate, the little dog the dog gate came.

I clicked around and the kids sit on the on the on the the running boards of the old car, like probably from the thirties of what it was. And

I saw that picture I had. I used to have

that picture for a long time.

Speaker 6: I don't know what happens, like the old elevator.

Speaker 10: Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's just like that, like almost like I said, now, go put yourself.

Speaker 2: On the same They light on the side of the car while their parents were there's no.

Speaker 5: Ways as a luggage holder as well.

Speaker 2: Right, it was both. But the picture I had was

in some extra room for the kids, and I was just like, in what realm did anybody go, this is a great idea. We're gonna put our kids out on

the running board and just give them like a little child gate around and hopefully for hope for the best.

Speaker 5: To be honest, I don't think.

Speaker 6: I don't really think like speeding was like a really biggest sturt, like like I was like reading, like you know, you know speed limits. We don't really put speed limits

up until you know the gas price.

Speaker 2: No, no, no, And I get it. But even at

twenty five dollars a now, are having your kids out there on the running board with a little child gat I mean, could you imagine nowadays if you grab your kid and put them up on the roof rack with some bungee cords and you're like.

Speaker 5: Oh, well there all right, Giana, you make sure.

Speaker 3: Insurance you needed, like life insurance like anything.

Speaker 2: Like that's the old, laugh says I think about the old there's always the joke. And I've you know, people,

I've literally heard people use it when they're trying to get people to pay their cards and like, wow, you must have a really good life insurance POSUI when they tell you they don't want to work on the car, or you must not like your wife very much. Huh,

you got a big policy on her, do you? You

know what I mean. I've literally in a jokey manner,

but I've heard people use use that in cell tactics.

So every time I hear about life insure, that's first thing my mind goes. In the car market, I'm just like, yeah,

I've heard, actually somebody use those lines. I don't suggest

you try it nowadays, you know, might have a whole different effect. Maybe people have better sons of humors. I

don't know, but there was really no sense of hrem too.

You're really trying to get in to buy something, so right right, And I know, guys, I can't believe I got take another commercial break. We'll be right back.

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Speaker 11: Guys, welcome back. All right, So we have talked many times,

talked many times about rent a car, mishaps or run a car issues or whatever. Do you guys see the

latest one that comes through this week? I have not

so a guy rented a car.

Speaker 2: Now I have done something similar to this, so I can understand how this works.

Speaker 10: Guy rents a car and has it for a month.

I guess he decided to go do a like a United States trip with the running car first, to put the miles in your car makes sense. I'm smart car,

so I run the cars all the time when I go on road trips. On seeing his video, okay, do

you see the wh they charged him? Yeah, but continue

story makes it way. Twenty one thousand dollars was a

total bill for what for for a month?

Speaker 2: Having a car? Speak well, the car.

Speaker 4: Says unlimited miles, and he took it on a road trip.

Speaker 2: And he took it on a road trip for a month, and he put twenty five thousand miles on the car.

But there's a hidden claus somewhere.

Speaker 6: No, no, no, he's he's right, but they want to charge him twenty one thousand or some amount.

Speaker 2: He says clearly over in the car, he says, on my paperwork, clearly says unlimited miles. And then the response

from the run of car place was yeah, but we didn't think you're gonna put that many miles on it, so now we have to charge you for it, which I don't understand. Unlimited miles means exactly what unlimited onlimited miles.

And they're like, well, when we say only a miles, we really think somebody could put maybe one two hundred miles on a car a day.

Speaker 4: That's what we think for unlimited miles. Well, that's what

you get for thinking. That's not my fault you put

unlimited miles on all.

Speaker 3: Right.

Speaker 2: Now, I've experienced this, okay, a little bit different. So

I was working for a company and my company vehicle broke down while I was in a different state. So

they had me rent a vehicle and continue on with going and doing work. I told you guys, I was

an investigator for a while, uh, doing cases and stuff and surveillance and whatever. So I needed a vehicle. I

needed another, So I rented a van, moved all my surveillance stuff into that van, and I went on my way.

Speaker 5: Right, you got a job to do.

Speaker 2: I had it for like a month because I had to leave my vehicle broke in a different state than where I was A then where I was from, and b where I was headed. So I had that rent

a car for like a month, and then they got me a new company vehicle and I had to drive like six states in the opposite direction to go pick up my new vehicle. So I did as the company

instructed me, and I got there and they had my new vehicle for me. I'm like, okay, that's great. I'm like,

what what do we do with the rental Well, we we had a company account, so they're like, well, you just take it aunt a car and drop it off front a place to drop it off. I said, okay,

So I did exactly like I was asked to do, and then I got a call like two weeks later.

Speaker 4: They're like, hey, that rental car that you had.

Speaker 2: How long did you have it? I said, I don't know,

probably about a month or so. And they got some

exorbitant fee for rental fee for it, crazy mileage fee on it, and then like a nine thousand dollars transfer fee because I rented it in this state and now it was in this state.

Speaker 4: Where I dropped it off. But nothing said we couldn't.

Speaker 2: There was nothing stating then we couldn't do it, but they had charged the company for it, and of course they're you know, getting ready to do it. So I've

had a similar experience to that when I when I saw this it was sending me, I was like, oh, I know how that works, so you know what I mean, But could you imagine like you go rent like we've done it. We've rent it for weeks. You know, I

mean like, well, okay, we need a vehicle we rent for a week because we're gonna go on vacation. We

don't want I said, we don't want to put the miles at our vehicle, so I don't mind renting a car.

I think what was the last time? What it cost us?

Four hundred bucks or something stupid the time we had it.

Speaker 3: I think the biggest one that I got was when I rented a rental car and you know how they checked the gas tank on you and they're like, okay, well what's that fool? Well, this one had a digital

gas tank meter on and right underneath it it had how many miles were remaining.

Speaker 2: And the yeah, okay, I'm a heavy foot driver.

Speaker 3: You know, You're like, it's fool, fool, I can't I can't help it doesn't say the exact.

Speaker 2: Miles it was because the miles different. And they were like, well, sir,

this tank is not full.

Speaker 3: And I'm like, it's fool. Remember how many miles that

I would get that?

Speaker 4: And I've never thought about that.

Speaker 2: It is an interesting one because on the digital I'll tell you, it's different they think you didn't fill it up, then.

Speaker 4: They it all the way up.

Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm like that do me.

Speaker 4: I'm like, which one which vehicle?

Speaker 6: Well, just one of them miles renting one time? And

is it because you know the way sometimes they do is that. Well, especially where I had to drop it

off at the airport, Well, there's no gas station near the airport, so you know, you get to basically, you know, like ten miles oufrom the you know, the gas station.

So when you fill it up full, well then you gotta drive it back at ten miles so then try to try to charge it for a not full gas tank.

Speaker 2: Well, she didn't want to be interesting because on the digital thing you would be like, I feel it as much as it took.

Speaker 4: But I had to drive ten miles.

Speaker 3: Back of where I was at right, so it's never got Well, my biggest thing was I even because like he said, I already knew there was no gas station there, so you know, you gave it that little extra clink.

Speaker 10: Why is he gonna put gas? And we were over

at seam. I put it in before I handed it

back over.

Speaker 3: To you guys, so I get that little extra clink clink going, you know, it's still gonna be at fool by the time I get there. It or just you know,

give give a little less gas from the room. I

extra took you. No, that girl hit me with the well,

how do you want to pay for the gas feed?

Speaker 2: Man?

Speaker 3: More gas feed?

Speaker 2: I got the receiver in the the tham says full.

Speaker 3: Well, you're fifty miles short, sir, of course I'm fifty miles short. I don't drive the car like the last you're.

Speaker 2: Well, no, it's it's like fifty miles. I can see

how that could happen because if I, like we were just in Vegas, I filled up the car the night before.

Speaker 4: We had to turn it in filled all the way up on full.

Speaker 2: But we had where I filled it up from was probably like what four or five miles back to the hotel, and then the car has to leave the hotel and go to the airport.

Speaker 4: If you did on the digital scale, I wouldn't be full, and I would there is no gas station anywhere near the drop off of that one.

Speaker 2: That's this one.

Speaker 3: It was built on like estimated remaining, you know. So,

like I was trying to tell her, I'm.

Speaker 4: Like, it's an estimate.

Speaker 3: I'm like it's an estimate. The last person, I didn't

let her charge my card. I just already got your car.

She can't charge it.

Speaker 4: Got the number.

Speaker 3: If you can get it where it's done through a debit card, I will try to put it on a prepaid debit card.

Speaker 5: So they can get information.

Speaker 3: Ass crafty, Yes I am, because people are people are always.

Speaker 5: Looking for They won't take it unless it's up right.

Speaker 2: I've had that happen.

Speaker 10: Then they'll hit your car and you say, you guys anyway because of you guys age, they're already looking to try to stick you guys because you know you guys now the age where you don't have that problem.

Speaker 4: But I remember when you were when you were run a car, when your car was crashing.

Speaker 2: They were giving you a hard time with his winter car.

Speaker 3: And if he didn't call the location, they would have not let him pick up his vehicle because they put it under the adults name. It was like, well, the

car's insurance is under his name, so that's one.

Speaker 2: You just got.

Speaker 6: It made sense when they scheduled the appointment for the drop off, the the whole policies under one name. They

used the policy's name, not the receiver's name.

Speaker 2: Like the car. It makes sense, but that person to

show right.

Speaker 6: So unfortunately, if you know, if I didn't get it changed and I showed up, they were not going to release the car to you know me, They're going to release it to the policy owner.

Speaker 2: Okay, I got it. So because you guys have shared policy,

it goes to the main correct the main pat you change, like I said, I fixed you guys know, if you guys in this show long enough, I've had some interesting rent of car stories because I've just had it. When

I mean stories, I absolutely mean that it's I did a lot of things within our cars that a you probably should never do. Like I said, that's means that

I'm not saying it was good. And then I've had

weirdier back then. Right, it was easier back.

Speaker 10: Then you were to say, oh, I watch cky boys like I've told you guys a thousand times to see what they do with rent of cars.

Speaker 2: And if you don't know who they are.

Speaker 4: That was before they were called jackass.

Speaker 3: You were able to drop a car off destroyed and they go, ah, this again, Now.

Speaker 2: We do, they're calling the cops. Even if we do

want insurance.

Speaker 4: I mean it is not fictional.

Speaker 2: If you had the rent of car insurance back then, you pretty much were exempt. I mean like you're a

exempt and when people go, when people go, there's no way that's true. There's no way.

Speaker 4: Like I said, if you watch Cky Boys, go get the video or look it up online.

Speaker 2: You can find the old videos.

Speaker 5: Well, they're hoping you'd do that.

Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, you had the car insurance. No they're not.

Speaker 4: I have told you guys, I am not I am not ragging.

Speaker 2: I'm not selling it proud of the moment. But as

a young man, we had runted some cars, as I told you, guys, and they went back and I would never want to buy it. And then you're right, there

was a couple that went back that needed some things.

But I got to run of car insurance because I had I had seen the I'd seen the video. I

just and I can tell you we had dropped the car off. Were told you we dropped a car off.

It was new when we got it, and it was smoking when we dropped it off. Was smoking from the

first time you turned a car in with that insurance.

And they were like, well, thank you, mister Plutch and grabbed the keys. You were like, no, because what you

used to do is used to pull it almost like now used to pull in the line. I pulled it,

pulled in the line. They're standing there, they're looking at

the car. I gave the keys like I'm supposed to, like,

here's the keys and stuff like that. I was like,

when you're young, you do stump stuff, like I said, not, well, I had a few problems with the car, you know what I mean. You know, but and then you and

then you you left, you went on your way, and you then you watched the bill waiting for some crazy bill to come. And then crazy bill never came.

Speaker 3: So but what if it did?

Speaker 2: You know, I never really thought about that.

Speaker 4: That's a different not thinking.

Speaker 6: Then. It's kind of like they're hoping that, you know,

like their money is hoping that you trash the car enough insurance is going to claim it and they get a check and they rely.

Speaker 2: I know you would think that, but that wasn't it, because back then they want to sell the cars off, so they keep the car.

Speaker 5: Me destroy.

Speaker 2: I know you've never watched the video, but go watch the video the c Ky boys and watch what they did to the cars and look at the reaction when they want to go drop the cars off of the run a car companies. That's not I don't think that's

fake by any means of the reaction to some of these people. Like I said, it's just like they're like,

holy because the cars were destroyed. Like I said, I

got run of car stories for days. We can probably

make a whole show about it, but I can't because we're at the end of the show. I can't believe

we're already there. It's already the enther show. So on

that note, I'm gonna wrap it up and say, if you got any cool car stories you want to share with us, let us know. I'm curious to hear what

your guys are and maybe in the future I'll share some of the ones I've never shared before. I don't know,

we'll see. Like I said, we'll get some of our

viewers stories from the proud moments. But and then I'm

gonna ahead and get out of here. It is Saturday.

Enjoy your Saturday. Somebody is right around the corner. Make

sure you turn off the TV, spend some time with your kids, play a board again with them.

Speaker 4: The love be for it, and we will see you guys.

Next week, you guys got anything for We get to enjoy your weekend.

Speaker 2: Have a good one. All right, guys are right here,

Talk to you soon.

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