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All right, folks, this one, it's going to be a little different. I'm sure you've read in the news about what's happening in L.A. with ice raids and protests and reading about it from afar while I was on vacation.
Really made me want to bring in a friend of mine who's a real expert in this area. My friend, Sergio Ciderman, is joining us. He is an immigration attorney. He's been practicing for a very long time.
He's extremely experienced, and we're not going to be talking too hyperboleically about it, or at least we're not going to try.
But he's going to answer some very important questions about the state of immigration in our city and our country right now.
And it's just the real information, not from a politician or a pundit, but from somebody on the ground that I think you guys should hear.
So it's a departure from cars a little bit. Johnny's here too. We're going to talk about racing at the end of the show.
But hear me out on this one. It's important. Sergio Ciderman Esquire is on the smoking tire podcast.
I got to train them on that. Hey, guys. Okay. On the job training. Okay, it's the show. So here's the thing. I was in Italy.
We don't need to talk about that, but I'm always somewhere else when bad things happen. I was like in another country when the fires happened.
And I'm in Italy and like, wow, the shit went down in LA while I was gone.
That's fortunate. Right. And I was reading this book by Rutger Breggman called Human Kind, which I don't know, I really recommend it.
The gift from my friend Travis, that basically argues in many pages that humans are not actually hardwired to fight where hardwired to cooperate.
It argues against what they call veneer theory, which is like there's a thin veneer of civility that it's Lord of the fries.
If you don't go to church, then you'll just start raping. So I'm reading this and I'm seeing this shit in LA. And I'm going,
well, how do we cut through the noise? And I go, we have to get Sergio in the studio because studio Sergio lives and breathes the fucking ground level of this stuff.
True. He's not a pundit or a politician. He's an immigration lawyer. And oh, by the way, I've just gotten approval to race with Sergio.
And Johnny in code in November, I talked to WRL. I'm good to go. Ray race. Do I have to talk to anybody? You're probably not.
Probably not. I did. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. With his kid Tato. Yes, who is a rocket Lee very face of rocket.
Yes, yes, a rocket.
Very fast and Sergio is like a pillar of the LA car community. You put on these amazing events at your place, which I'm jealous of.
And you just kind of when I, when Johnny introduced me to you immediately, you were like the kindest person I've met around here and let me back up.
But the day I met the moment I met Sergio, he was like, Hey, you want to drive him a McLaren 720s? Yeah, literally first thing he says to me, you're that kind of guy.
And I was like, yes, that's a great guy. And I and your wife and you treated Hannah and I to an amazing dinner. Providence and you've always been so kind to us.
And and now here we are with like a real crisis in our city.
But before we get to that, because you're new to the show, and I'm really glad you're here. And I don't know you that well, but I know you well enough to know I like you.
How did you how did you become an immigration attorney and what's your what's your background story?
All right, so it's a very long story. I'm going to keep it short. It's not bore everybody, but I was born in Argentina.
There was a that was in 1972, so you can date me now.
In 1974, my grandfather was kidnapped by the leftist for ransom. They were called the Montoneros in Argentina and paid the ransom.
He was released. My family in Argentina were well to do Jews.
In 1976, the far right overthrew the civilian government and the military kidnapped my grandfather in 1976.
The case. It was a huge disaster for our family. We fled Argentina that night when we got him back. We got him got my grandfather back a week later.
He was left dumped out of a Jeep with a noteness pocket saying leave the country in 24 hours, whole family, or we're going to kill everybody.
He had already been forced to sign over all of his assets to the military leader in Ducuman, which is where we're from, and we fled.
Came to the United States, started a civil case against Argentina. It's called Siderman versus Argentina.
If you're interested, just Google Siderman versus Argentina. His last name is Siderman.
And you can you can sue a country not until Siderman versus Argentina.
Are you the first person to ever sue a country?
Well, I go to law school, you know, 20 years later or 18 years later, and I take international human rights class in my second year, open up to book and the professor says,
okay, you know, first case we need to read is Siderman versus Argentina, because that's how we established jurisdiction.
I was like, oh shit, you know, it's bigger than I thought.
So it's basically Argentina tried to extradite my grandfather from the United States.
When he started talking to the media and exposing the kidnappings, the murders, they kidnapped and killed a lot of people in 1976.
There's a holiday for it in Argentina.
And you know, the case went to the Ninth Circuit. We wanted the Ninth Circuit and then the Supreme Court denied certification to Argentina.
The reason for the jurisdiction, by the way, was our justice system in the US according to the judges is not a one way street.
So if you want to use our justice system, our courts to extradite old man Siderman, he can use the courts to go after you for what you took from him.
Oh wow. That's how we established jurisdiction.
So that got my interest in the law, got my, and we lived in this country. This is a crazy part.
We lived in the United States after fleeing Argentina for years without papers.
We were undocumented because the US denied our asylum claims.
Apparently, the US government was in cahoots with the far right Argentinian military overthrow.
I was going to say that sounds about right for the time.
And in 1982, when we wanted the district court, at the lowest level, my grandfather's first case against Argentina, we win.
And then the United States State Department sends an amicus brief friend of the court brief saying don't do this.
Overturn the judgment. It'll ruin our relations with Argentina.
So they overturned the judgment. We had to appeal the Ninth Circuit.
And that's where we won. And then the Supreme Court sided with us. And then Argentina settled.
Wow. I hope for a lot.
It was all right. They're still, you know, they also gave back properties that are very difficult to do anything with.
Huh. Interesting. Yeah.
I was not expecting this.
It's kind of crazy. So how long did your grandfather live for?
He lived a long time. So he died in 2002. And he had won the judge, won the judgment and got paid out in the settlement with Argentina in 1996.
Okay. So he got to enjoy a little bit. Yeah. And he was with it.
You know, like he wasn't like wheelchair bound and dementia like that.
He was totally fine until the last. The men and your family seemed to age well.
I said that having met your father who. Oh, yeah.
You told me was like the time was like 75. And I'm like, he looks better than me.
Oh, yeah. I hope I got some of his genes.
The surgery was pretty ageless as well over here.
Yeah. So when you went to law school and you're like, yeah, I'm cider men.
And they were, was that blowing people's minds or not really?
Does that just happen a lot in school?
For people that are involved in international law, human rights law, for them, it's a big deal. No one else knows.
Okay. Yeah. Well now everyone on this podcast.
Hopefully lawyers out there are like, Hey, that's, that's the guy.
Right. Okay. So you, you know, how did you came here undocumented?
So we came here on tourist visas. We applied for asylum. We were denied asylum.
That's insane. Which is crazy.
It's a dirty textbook of silent like a note in your pocket saying you've 24 hours to leave or else like
it fits the definition of asylum.
We can't reach Spanish.
Yeah.
Because I'm literally trying to get us back from here right now.
To kill us. We're talking about this like.
Right. As you guys know, I do asylum cases every single day.
We, my firm has over 60,000 clients.
We do a lot of asylum claims.
I have never seen a better asylum case than my own families, which was denied.
So either we had terrible lawyers or, you know, that's crazy.
That's fucking crazy.
And you just went back to Argentina for the first time, like recently, right?
Yeah. I couldn't go back for a long time. Okay.
So in the US, nobody knows my last name.
In Argentina, it's well known.
And it, and my parents were terrified of me going back there, especially under prior governments.
And then there was this other catch.
Because there's a lot of kidnappings, right?
In Argentina, like a lot of centers out the American countries.
It's like, don't get citermined.
Is that like something?
Is your name like a bad verb? Like, shit.
It's a, it's well known for, you know,
and it's synonymous with a disaster that happened in the 70s, the dirty war.
So when I was born in Argentina, there was a lottery system where if you got a certain number,
you had to go to the military when you turned 18.
And I happened to land on this lottery number.
So I was one of those guys that's supposed to report when they're 18.
Well, they kicked us out of the country.
I was unable to go back.
I have a note.
You have a closing note.
Talkers, dude.
Sir, I haven't known.
Is this, is this work?
This says you'll kill me if I sign up.
I was actually signed by one, it wasn't signed.
I didn't know it was one of your generals.
Recognize the handwriting.
Interestingly, the general that was in charge of kidnapping my grandfather and torturing him
and stealing all his properties was eventually elected governor of the province that were from
before more sane minds took control of the government and he then went to jail.
Oh, okay.
Yeah.
A lot of the guys that were involved in the kidnappings, tortures, and murders in Argentina
were later tried mini-Nuremberg style.
Oh, that is something we're unfamiliar with in this country.
It's pretty, yeah, but it's crazy.
Maybe put on news networks ten years later.
It's an expert on kidnapping and murder.
I don't know much about Argentina, but I was down there 2001, let's say.
And I remember I had a Sunday to myself and so I had an English language newspaper and I got in.
I was going to have a coffee and a cigarette and read the paper.
And I got to page 47 and it's like a vice president resigns accuses president of corruption.
It was like page 47.
Yeah.
And I remember the guy I was staying with, it was Christian and I was like, Christian,
like he goes, we've had over 50 presidents since World War II.
It's not news.
And a lot of them go to jail.
Yeah.
I mean, in that sense, Argentina does a better job of convicting their criminal presidents than we have.
Right, right, right.
The front page today in Argentina on every newspaper is that the last president, Christina Kirschner,
is going to jail.
Her corruption.
I mean, on the one hand, someone will be like, see, look how corrupt they are.
On the other hand, like they're being held accountable.
Yeah.
And no one here is held accountable for shit.
Yeah.
So thank you, Russ.
Coffee, coffee at WCS, full service.
Unfortunately, in Argentina, it's systemic.
So the corruption goes from the meter maids, which they don't actually have meter maids.
They have, like, basically gang members that will come up to your car and you pay them.
It's free parking.
Yeah, yeah.
They'll do what your car for you, but they'll watch it for you.
Yeah.
Then you give them the money.
And as you're walking away, you see a cop car pull up and they give some of the money to the cop car.
Like the guy's coming to collect his part.
Yeah.
And it goes from there all the way to the judges and to the presidency.
Yeah.
Nots.
Okay.
So Argentina is insane.
Yeah.
Beautiful.
Yeah.
Beautiful.
Great place to visit.
Yeah.
Really?
It's on the mend.
Yeah.
Yeah.
As crazy as the new president Malay is, there's some positive changes happening also.
So how did you get legal?
Can we talk about that?
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How did you get legal in the US?
My grandfather had three kids, my dad and two sisters.
One of the sisters had come to the US in the 60s, married a US citizen,
and she was living in Tampa, Florida,
and eventually she was able to petition her dad, my grandfather,
and then when he had his green card, he was able to petition my dad and his wife,
and that's how we eventually did it through the petition process.
So a lot of people, you know,
I see on pundits and wherever are, they really just want people to do it the right way.
I'm okay, I'm okay with all with immigration from wherever.
It's got to be done the right way.
Even though if you go back and look at their, how their family got here,
nothing was right about it.
Forget that, forget that, but I just like level headed from an expert.
Yeah, what's the right way?
Well, technically the right way is to, you know,
if you're living outside of the US,
there's multiple pathways that you can get your green card,
even before you come to the US,
or there's things like the fiancé visa,
where you're going to marry someone that's outside of our borders.
They can come into the US with this K visa, the fiancé visa,
and if you get married within 90 days,
then that person can stay and get their green card.
There's investor visas,
where you can invest a million dollars in the United States,
and basically that's an overnight green card for you and your family.
There's multiple ways to do it the right way from the get-go,
but they take time and money,
and by the way,
another right way to do it is asylum.
Like, if you are fleeing a situation where your life is at risk,
like Venezuela.
A lot of places for a lot of reasons.
Apparently South Africa now.
Only if you're white.
Only if you're white, only if you're white.
Excuse me.
But asylum is a legal way to come,
you know, requesting asylum is a legal way to come into the United States.
You know, the Statue of Liberty,
the plaque, you know, the Colossus poem at the bottom basically says,
give me your poor,
tired, tired.
So there are many, many right ways to come in,
and most people that have been coming in over the last couple of years
across the border through these CBP-1 offices are coming through with asylum.
They're trying to do it the right way.
Okay.
So I've been reading stories,
then literally people are getting, you know,
thrown into vans,
and pulled from places like Home Depot,
the side of the road,
their own court hearings maybe.
Is this true?
Is this bullshit?
True, true, true, true, true.
It's a birthday party, school graduations.
True, true, true.
So interestingly,
there's this conundrum that the Trump administration has put itself into
because they, you know,
Trump promised mass deportations.
We're going to get rid of millions of people, you know,
according to the census,
there's over 11 million undocumented immigrants in the United States,
and Trump promised to, you know, mass deportations.
Millions of people,
they want to hit at least a million people per year.
Well,
the Biden administration and the Obama administration
deported so many more people
than the Trump administration ever has.
And part of the reason is most deportations happen at the border.
So like you're being, like,
turned just turned away.
Yeah, you're turned around,
you've been deported.
Right?
On your record, you're deported.
I didn't know that that was considered that.
It's called the expedited removal,
and it started in 1997,
where instead of just being called a turnaround,
which wasn't that bad for your immigration record,
expedited removal is the same effect as if a judge ordered you deported.
Okay.
So the deportation numbers were so high under Obama,
they were so high under Biden.
Well, now the border is essentially closed
because the CBP-1 offices
that would admit people legally into the United States
with valid asylum claims,
they would do credible fear interviews,
and if they met that minimum standard,
they were allowed in to fight their asylum case as they should be.
The border is essentially closed.
And so the number of deportations that Trump can tout
is so much fewer than before
because no one's being turned around anymore, right?
And they're not even attempting to come across the border,
which I think is fine.
You should have a good asylum office and process
to let people in that are in fear of their lives,
like that's what this country stands for,
at least in my opinion.
But you also need a secure border.
Well, we have a secure border
for the most part on the southern end,
but now what?
How are you going to get those numbers
that you've promised your voters?
How are you going to get to those millions?
Well, Stephen Miller,
fucking psychopath.
That's a scary, scary story.
If you read his background,
and what he was like as a kid,
in the eyes,
I would say as a Jew,
he's so fucking embarrassed.
I'm just so embarrassed for him to be...
That is a cool man.
Anyway, associated with us.
So he had, you know,
was recorded in a meeting
and then he came out on the talk shows,
talked about how they need 3,000 deportations
a day to meet Trump's number,
and we're going to get it.
Well, if you can't do it at the border,
which is where most of the deportations are taking place,
you're going to have to do it on the streets.
And in the past, you know,
besides the border,
the other location
where they would get a lot of deportations
were the jails,
where, you know,
you get arrested for something else.
Right.
You get arrested for doing something bad.
They, you know,
even the sanctuary cities
would turn you over to ICE
if you were a criminal,
and you get deported.
Well,
that stuff's not happening either,
and so what they're really going after
is just,
do you look foreign
and a certain type of foreign?
Right.
Yeah. Right.
Like, do you look?
They're not going after, like, Irishmen.
Yeah.
Well, they laid the groundwork first,
right, over the last
year and a half of campaigning,
they have villainized
the Latino community.
Yeah.
It's an invasion,
all this disgusting,
dehumanizing light.
Right. I mean, it is,
it is so eerily similar
to what Goables did in 1930s
before Hitler came to power.
You know, they,
they started laying the groundwork
for these are the bad guys.
Right.
These are the,
the reason you're poor is the Jews.
Right. Right.
Yeah.
And the reason you're poor
is the brown guys. Right.
And now it's like,
though, the reason that you don't have the job you want
is because, you know,
the brown guy came in
and took your job,
which nobody wants.
Yeah.
They did a,
I think it was a 60 minutes that I saw
where they offered prisoners
at a maximum security prison.
These guys had one hour a day
to be outside in Mississippi
or Alabama and they were offered
a full day outdoors,
but they had to pick
watermelon.
Not one of the,
not one of the prisoners
lasted a day.
Right.
They all begged to go back
to their jail cells
where they're enclosed
for 23 hours a day.
So they're not taking the jobs
from anyone.
Did they try asking
for one bucket of cold beer
for their men?
No.
You can't make Shawshank.
Okay. Sorry.
That was insensitive.
Yeah.
It's a, you told me,
you told me the greatest thing
when the,
the first Trump administration
that they,
they, they just did everything
so not by the books.
There's everything just,
like, you know,
they were trying to deport
all these people.
Like, I think you're telling me it was,
um, people applying for green cards
and they basically like,
stop that process.
Right.
And everything got tied up
with green cards.
It was anarchy.
And then when Biden came in,
they just said,
all right,
everyone is tied up,
gets a green card.
So in other words,
like, if 300,
you can retell the story,
but like if 300 people,
uh, would have got it,
600 people,
why don't we get a green card?
So the Trump with his,
just anarchy,
caused me,
right?
Right.
Immigration.
To unstop the,
what a damn.
They just said,
well, fuck it.
Right.
Right.
I don't know.
What, what they really wanted
to do,
uh,
lieutenant bone spurs
wants to show how tough he is.
It's optics.
It's all fucking optics.
Right.
Yeah.
And so, uh,
just like the criminal courts,
the,
if,
if your criminal courts
took every single case
to trial,
every DUI,
every misdemeanor,
every,
there,
you,
for you to get a speedy try
would take 20 years.
Right?
Yeah.
So the,
the criminal court system
tends on the plea bargain
program so that they can survive
so that they can function.
Well,
Trump said to the immigration
courts,
which are very similar to
the criminal courts in that aspect,
he said,
no more arrangements,
no more deals.
Everything goes to trial,
no matter how good a person is,
no matter what,
everything goes to trial.
All these asylum cases,
everything,
and in the past,
90 plus percent
of all these cases
would get settled.
And, you know,
if the person had no criminal history,
had good connections to the United States,
was not financially dependent
on the government in any way,
then they would get possibly
a work authorization
that they could renew every year
and they'd,
and they'd freeze the case.
If they ever did anything wrong
in the future,
they'd unfreeze the case
and deport the guy.
Okay.
Very simple process.
That came to a screeching halt,
and the time to hear your case
from the Obama administration,
which would have been like six months
from the time
that you get a notice to appear
to the time that you actually are having your case heard,
increased to seven years.
Whoa.
Well, Trump wouldn't be in office
by the time that you go to trial.
Yeah.
And, you know,
unlike the criminal court system
and every other court,
which fall under the judiciary,
the immigration courts are not part of the judiciary.
They're part of the executive branch,
which means that the boss is the president.
The president runs those judges.
They're not even technically,
you know, full federal judges.
They are administrative judges
and they report to the president.
So...
Is that always been the case?
Yeah.
I did not know that.
Yeah, administrative judges.
Did not know that.
You can appeal it and eventually get to the ninth circuit,
which is under the judiciary,
but at the administrative level,
most of the cases are,
it's under the executive branch.
Wow.
I did not know that at all.
And so, when the presidents change,
the policies change,
and everything he did in his first term was for not,
because when Biden came into office,
right afterwards, he saw,
okay, you've got no criminal history,
you've got strong connections in the United States,
kids born here,
Mary, do your citizen, whatever,
and you're not financially dependent on the country,
you pay taxes, you can stay.
But everybody,
it just got like fast-tracked,
everybody got fast-tracked.
Yeah.
They didn't get green cards,
they got work authors.
But yeah, but Trump inadvertently
let more foreigners in.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Which is kind of great.
So, you know, to go back,
it's not happening at the border,
it's not happening at the jails.
Is that because the people that are maybe here
undocumented or keeping a low profile,
because they're worried about being caught
and going to jail,
or is it just there's not only a lot of people left?
Well, to begin with,
as much as they've been vilified,
the Latino community,
in general, is drastically less criminal
than most American-born communities,
including white-born American,
black-born American.
It is much less likely,
and Stanford did a big study on this.
I was going to bring that.
I'll share it with you when I get to the office this afternoon.
Yes, you said that we can drop the link in the show notes.
Yeah.
Exactly.
It's a very, very good study,
done by Stanford,
showing that the criminal likelihood
of a white American
is significantly higher
than an immigrant,
any immigrant.
I am not the least bit surprised.
I mean, you know,
it's one of those things where,
you know, I've like,
knew something's been going on about this,
but like, you know,
Tuberville, Senator Tuberville is going on about,
like, you know,
LA is his criminal hellhole,
and he's like,
he's got great stock tips, though.
Yeah, he's like,
Alabama has three times
the murder rate of Los Angeles, you know.
Well, and it's also,
you know,
you have the freedom of,
oh, shit.
The guy who does,
the guy who does the mythical tie
between immigration and crime,
is that it?
Researched by Stanford's,
Ron Abramitsky,
and co-authors on covers.
That's it.
The most extensive evidence
to date that immigrants
are less likely to be imprisoned
than US-born individuals
from July 2023.
We'll drop the link to that
in the notes.
I mean, the thing lies
like the author is fine
that hasn't been the case in America
for a hundred and forty years.
So.
Um,
shit.
Oh, the other thing is,
what is considered crime?
Right.
A lot of people,
that's changing.
A lot of people
would not consider some really
fucked up white collar crimes
to be crimes.
Right.
A lot of people don't consider
crimes committed by cops
to be crimes.
And if you factor them,
shits in,
dude, I was living in a very
high crime area growing up.
Oh, yeah.
You got a fraud with that
who got three-acre properties,
but they were fucking selling
oxy-concreds,
crashing the economy
and wrecking everybody's lives.
Well, also, what about
criminals?
What about beating a cop
with a Confederate flag
inside the Capitol?
Yeah.
Not a crime.
Not anymore.
Not anymore.
What if you defecate on
the floor after you beat the COP?
You get a metal,
so a metal of honor.
You become a special advisor.
If it's a Trump flag,
you get a jail-free car,
you get a cop.
Right.
No problem.
So you said now you just said when they run out at the border and they run out of the jails
They're hitting the streets which means the home the home depots which is so absurd the you know
Before being elected
Trump made it really clear that they were gonna go after these bad ombre's and that these criminal gangs and they show MS 13
And all that I don't see them getting into gunfights with MS 13
I don't see them going east LA right to the barrios where they know exactly where these guys hang out
and confronting them
But they are saying that all these people are actually criminals because by entering the country illegally
That's a crime and thus criminal. Yeah, it's a real nice circle of justification isn't it?
That's like Trump has a convicted felon for the money, but he's convicted civilly of sexual assault
They will big difference. They will also say that
Many of them are working without a work authorization. That's a crime
Well, if you compare that if you call that level of crime the crime that's going to get you kicked out of a country
We're going to end up with no people here. Yeah, so that it I wrote this down
If you're here undocumented, you're at a home depot
You're trying to fucking do drywall. Okay, you're guys right over there. Yeah
What what is the exact crime that that guy is allegedly doing?
An undocumented person trying to work in a home depot parking lot like literally what is he accused of he
Working without authorization and being inside the country illegally. Those are his crimes and what like
Violation misdemeanor felony like what is the degree of crime that that is?
I don't even think it's a misdemeanor. It's not even a misdemeanor. It's not criminal. It's civil. It's a civil offense
It's and think about this way the penalties for
Hiring and employing undocumented people is virtually nothing. It's a slap on the wrist
I don't even think there's a fine a financial aspect to it
So, yeah, they're obviously not trying to disrupt capitalism or be the business ownership class with this
but so wait, so are you saying that like
something like shoplifting
Could easily be a much bigger crime significantly that's a then being an undocumented person in California right now for which the punishment appears to be
Being kidnapped off the street. Yeah, and sent somewhere
Right
Right right right Salvador is lovely this time of year
Yeah, so without without you know violating your attorney client client privilege
Do you have clients that have that have fucking been yanked off the street in Los Angeles?
So normally our clients don't get yanked
Because we give them proof of representation
We give them an ID card with their case number on it that any ice official can just look up the case number on the spot and see that that that person's in process or that person has
some type of status in the US
We also encourage our clients to carry around the receipt that the government sends you
That says for example your you know US citizen son is petitioning you
That's an i-130 petition keep a copy of that on you, you know and in practice what we have seen
Is that ice doesn't want to
Detain or get tangled up with people that
Are represented by immigration attorneys and that have open cases
It's just too much trouble for them. They want the low-hanging fruit
They want the guy that can barely or doesn't speak English
Has no representation in this country no one to fight on his behalf or her behalf and
Um has nothing in process doesn't have an open
asylum case just snuck in
Uh, that's that's what they're really looking for yeah
Okay, and and if someone is that
Low-hanging fruit to not disrespect that person being a human if they're if they're have no papers and no lawyer
We're getting them now as clients because they're contacting us from the detention centers or the family members are contacting us telling us that
You know my brother my my my dad
My husband was just detained can you help us
Those are urgent cases
In the event that someone already had a pre-existing deportation order
Maybe they crossed over illegally
20 years ago
They got one of these expedited removals it shows up on their record when ice
Gets them a second time or right now in these raids
Uh, if they get them before 4 p.m. In L.A. They'll be in Mexico by the next day
So there's very little time to act
If they don't have any prior immigration issues
uh
In those cases we can do a bond hearing and get them out and then we're going to fight their asylum case
um, but
It's uh
eerily
Reminiscent of 1930s, Germany
It's got a very fascist vibe to all of it and then yeah, we have
Is it in L.A. particularly and i i can't necessarily speak like these people are like our neighbors
Yeah, the idea that they would be categorized as like an invading
Anything is insane
They they make delicious fucking food for us. They work in our businesses and and take care of our households and anyone listening in America
What you ate for breakfast lunch and dinner today was picked by undocumented workers
Yeah, and we can't get our we can't get our you know blanket asylum
We've been fighting this since like I don't know since forever since the 70s
Uh, we can't get we can't get anyone amnesty
But like everything you eat you know if you're if you're in a small town and you had your hardies
You know 99 said menu or whatever the reasons 99 senses. There's no wages going to the people picking it right now
It's it's insane like it's a fabric of our country one you know in two times in recent history. They've done
Uh programs that did legalize
Hundreds of thousands of immigrants Reagan did it with an with an amnesty program
During his term and he was very pro-immigration if you hear some of his old speeches
He is all about bringing the immigrants
Uh, and if you couldn't get in you know through the amnesty program they would give you these
Worker cards that you can come across the border. Serrows. Yeah. Was that what it was the breast arrow program?
Yeah, got got to their campo. Yeah, they would come in work go back
Uh, we as a society
We don't realize or at least a lot of the voters don't realize we cannot function without them
um
And then uh Clinton did it uh in
2001 it's called the two forty five i program and uh he basically
Forgave unlawful entries as long as you didn't have criminal history, you know the usual stuff and uh
Again, we added
Hundreds of thousands of immigrants maybe maybe over a million through the two forty five i program and uh they got the green cards and
You know
They lose the green card if they commit a crime. It's unlike citizenship. Yeah, like crimes are still illegal
It's of course see if the there's this categorization that they're they're all doing crimes
And it's like well, no those are still the clean houses and gardening lawns
Yeah, but some some are doing crimes and those crimes are still very few
Yeah, I know but like statistically some yeah
We have laws for that like get ready. Yeah. Yep. It's uh, it's a tough situation
Okay, the the my leg because I don't have the words for all of it because it's actually quite overwhelming
Yeah, because and and the protesters in downtown LA
are
They're defending what feels like an army that's come to take our fucking neighbors like a black hat army
Yeah, right feels like some crazy central American
you know
Black ops shit
Yeah, we're wearing mass armed to the teeth. It feels extra digicial
It feels like there's a denial of due process. Is there a denial of due process or does it just feel like that to me
Because I'm a softie absolute denial of due process
In fact of the woman in charge on christian gnome
Uh, she's a charon steven miller fucking deserve each other
Well, she I mean, she's one of the top law enforcement officers in the country, right?
and
They asked her in a
Congressional hearing if she knew what habeas corpus meant
Right, yeah, yeah, her response was it you know, she didn't know the answer and she said I think it's the right
For the president to remove anyone he wants
Holy shit. Yeah, you know, we've elected a cast of clowns if you if you haven't seen the movie idiotocracy
where they introduced the cabinet
I have more confidence in that cabinet
From idiotocracy than I do in the one we have now if you go back to the first term we look at like trumps cabinet
He wanted to do all this shit and he had adults in the room right that stopped him
He wanted military parades right mark mille and and what's his face the other one not not mille miley the um the first
Master no
Everything isn't easy. I tried to block them all out. Yeah. Yeah, he was an already guy
But he said like no, this is what like like like the Soviets did military parades
Down that down in front of the capital with tanks. It's not what Americans do
We don't in fact we don't really want the army on our streets
That's yeah, you're not supposed to have that yeah
Um, and he wanted to do all this shit and and there was just like adults that like blocked him at every turn
And so this time the reason he appointed
People with with no philosophy with with no soul with no morals no news
Just just just power hungry schmucks with the biggest personality the defects that exist
It's because they won't stop them. They have nothing without him. Yeah, you know, I mean
Yeah, yes, she was the governor of South Dakota
Um, you know, but she is all part of the same platform
But like she's never no pushback look at look at the worst of all I think really is Mike Johnson
The most shooting a puppy's pretty bad. That's right. Mike Johnson's the most feckless bootlicking lying
Like like talks to talks to god like literally go got in public and says god told me to do this and that like
We compared jerk off notes with his kid. Yes. Yeah, that's that one's pretty weird. Yes. I think that's peak weird
He's yeah, but that's why you talk about jerk off. That's why they have the
Yeah, they've also got parents. Yes. Yeah, and I heard it was gay porn that it was his real problem
But anyways, then and it's fine. Just be gay. Don't hide it. There's one optic that I don't like
Coming from the protesters and that's the all the mexican flags waving
Yeah, they should be trumping confederate flags. Oh wait, they none of like
These people you know for the most part most of the immigrants have been here for a really long time
And they have they try to assimilate a lot of them won't even let their kids speak Spanish
You know, they want them to speak English
It's different than the immigration issues that other countries in Europe have
Our immigrants want to be here. They want to be part of this society. They contribute
They are rarely criminals and
Seeing the mexican flags waving plays into sure what trump is saying that we're under this in mexican invasion
It the optics are bad. Yeah, it's an I mean because you can go to a lot of whether it's a protest or a parade and see multinational flags
Right, of course, but you kind of you probably should put it alongside put them together
I know I participate in in the you know in a big mexican parade every year in September and
It's all mexican flags. Yeah, you know, but it's a mexican pride
Parade that I that I'm a part of this is more, you know
We you are I want it to be I want people to see they're coming after your neighbors are coming after people just like us
Not like
Waving American flags or just no flag like because I think if they're waving American flags
It would it would be grabbed on Dubai
Right wing news sources and then go oh look these people are celebrating the removal of these other folks
Which obviously would be I think the I think he's saying if you've got a cop
Shooting tear gas at a bunch of people waving American flags
It's tough to argue that that is an invasion
And and that the the the photo that's now been everywhere of the dude on the dirt bike with the mexican flag in front of the burning car
That's a bad photo about if you have bad intentions. I I'm super disappointed
How the American flag has been appropriated by the far right and it's now like a symbol of
white supremacy, dude it bugs me out
I've done some road tripping across
Certain parts of the US recently and if I see enough American flags like I actually feel like it's like a threatening right
Right, right, which is a crazy thing to feel you should have Mississippi as a fucking well
You know someone who like looks like me in most born here. That's a crazy to feel. Yeah, we need to take that flag back
Sure, I can see that I went through we were on Mississippi a couple years ago
And it was only Confederate flags or Trump flags was actually no us flags just Confederate and Trump
It was always a little over 20. Yeah, this is 20 wrong turn in Idaho
Accordal lane. Oh, well. Yeah, I took cordal lanes are nice. It's nice. It's nice.
Parts of it. Parts of it. There's there's some big money. You know, yeah, yeah, very
Civilized people around that lake
And Nazis my wife and I with the kids took a wrong turn
And we're going down the street and there's you know a lot of of of American flags and Nazi flags like full swastika flags
Yeah, yeah, swastika flags hanging in front of people's houses. Yeah, that's cordal lane
Well, Idaho has more white supremacy groups per capita than any other state. Yeah, which is fun
I think all his county has a beat
But yeah, surf nazis are their own kind of thing
But I was also going to say the real quick though the thing with the Mexican flag like just imagine if what you were saying if they were waving like a Canadian flag like
Part of where the the the US flag has been co-opted by the far right the Mexican flag
Which is just the flag of the country that borders us like is nothing wrong with a Mexican flag
Wave who kids are a little to wave a Mexican flag. It's like definitely not illegal. It just plays in
I don't know what you're saying
But the reason that narrative exists is because people are so afraid of Mexicans
Where it's like it imagine being like French and you're like terrified of Belgium
Being terrified of Germans fine, but like
The Belgians, you know what I mean? It's just it's ridiculous
I don't I don't want to tell someone how to how to protest do your thing, but I can see it's a bat. It could be a bad look
It's an organized these are sure like again
They were what what's it called the plastic handcuffs trap ties or zip ties there's zip tying like
You know fourth graders out of out of graduation. Yeah, you know what I mean? So like yeah
They're just gonna protest. What does the guy have he has a Mexican flag in a dirt bike like it's not some like
Grand organized scheme, you know that I totally understand what you're saying
I'm just saying there is a raw nerve. There's raw anger
It's one more thing. It's contained to like eight blocks. It's
Like a Portland during black lives matter. I'm like they're burning the city. Yeah, it's two blocks
I drove I think it's like 12 miles from my house to here like I like nothing's burning. No, it's fine
Look, I you know
It's real fucked up what we're seeing in this city
It's look by the time bit from today to two days when this goes up
We could it could be different. I don't know
What can if people are are what would you say if someone's a nervous for themselves? Yeah, are nervous for their neighbor or their family
What are a couple easy things they can do to protect themselves?
Okay, so number one
most of the
reputable decent immigration attorneys will do a consultation for free
So make sure that they are focused on immigration. It's next to the tax code. It's the second most complicated area of law
so deal with someone get a free consultation
Uh, and and get moving. It's the in the past in Spanish
People would say that we're gonna
Condedison las sombras hide in the sh- in the shadows
Uh, those shadows don't exist anymore. There's nowhere to hide
So you really need to get your shit together
And find a way to at least get into process to get your work authorization or your green card
99% of all the avenues to obtain your papers are still available
The only ones that Trump has been able to get rid of are the ones that were executive orders
By Biden and Obama like the DACA program the dreamers, you know, he was able to get rid of those but
To protect yourself
You know definitely don't get into confrontation with ice
Don't let them into your house unless they have a warrant signed by a federal judge a lot of times
As has been captured on video ice will lie
About what they're doing at your house. They'll say that they're the police. They won't say that they're their eyes
They'll say that they do have a warrant when they don't have a warrant. You got to be super careful
so don't let them in
The telemundo just did a piece last week on one of my clients who
Only her kids were home. She wasn't home yet kids are terrified
There's two ice agents at the front door two ice agents at the back door and then two others in the street
And they called the mom mom says call your lawyer. So they called me
And I said let me talk to the ice officers
The mom comes running home she shows the ice officers the ID card I gave her and they went away
So they are they're not looking to get entangled
With people that are represented. They're not they're not looking to get involved in open cases
They're they're looking for easy low hanging fruit. The idea of
Quotas when it comes to three thousand a day
I mean we talk about quotas within context of speeding tickets and bullshit like that
Which it's such a perverse incentive and this is so much more of a perverse incentive
Yeah, and what they're doing is they they have lists of people that already have
Deportation orders and they're going to those addresses, right?
That's that's the reason that they're primarily you know going into neighborhoods is because they do have certain targets
but their
Orders are and anyone else that
Shouldn't be here. So they go into a house looking for
You know Joe Smith and
Joe Smith maybe he's not there
But they're going to ask everyone else in the house for their documentation and anyone who doesn't have it
They're going to rest right
So it's opportunistic in three thousand a day. You're just going to make mistakes
You're doing a million year mistakes big mistakes have you had clients or that have been physically deported that have every right to be here
I haven't okay
And most of the decent
Immigration attorneys that are looking after their clients that that's not going to happen
It's it's gonna have
Most of the deportations the people you see being lined up on the planes those are
you know very
Easy grabs for them home depot parking lots. They don't speak English. They don't know anybody. They don't know their rights
And instead of being locked up in a detention facility for 30 days six months whatever they would rather
be sent out
Or do they get to choose?
There's something called
And it I mean Christy gnome is going on
virtually every
News channel and radio
Including the Spanish radio stations and inviting people to self-deport
When you are detained they will offer you what's called a
voluntary departure form
And we encourage our clients to never ever ever sign that and I would encourage all immigrants to never sign that in her
Advertisements that I'm sure you're going to hear over and over again
She says you know if you leave now you can return in the future
Which is a lie which is bullshit
If you're once you have a deportation order even though it may say that you're prohibited from reentry for 10 years 20 years
Whatever the penalty is the reality is you're never coming back
Wow that copy dude from tic-toc got of did a voluntary deportation at the at an airport in America like three days ago
The really famous guy yeah
He overstayed a visa and they kicked him out
But they said he voluntarily deported himself at the border. Yes
That dude probably never coming back over staying of visa you shouldn't leave
Right the fact that you were one of the big triggers in immigration law is how you entered the country if you entered
Legally with a tourist visa and it expires
And you stay in the US you have no deportation order
You've got no issues with immigration except for your expired visa you can stay here for a while find a way to adjust
Because you have an airport. It's like an expired tag in the burning your car
You have a golden ticket you have a legal lawful entry into the US which opens up so many
avenues to get your pathway to citizenship
Whereas if you have an illegal entry it's a much tougher job most of my clients entered the country
undocumented with no tourist visas with nothing and those are much tougher cases
They would they would love I mean they all wish they had a lawful entry even if it's expired
So if you're a student visa you know and it's expired
You don't leave if you plan on living here for the rest of your life
Because the lawful is it because the lawful entry shows that you were vetted once you have you've done paperwork
That shows one you tried to follow the rules to you're not a criminal don't have a record
And if they're unlawful then you guys or you know attorneys have to prove that this person is
A value to society or you know has been good here
In in part the
The first part is absolutely correct
They've already vetted you once they let you into the country and you're not a you're not a priority for them
You're not an enforcement priority and the the way the laws are written a lot of them
You know require a lawful entry for you to be able to adjust your status of the US
Not having that lawful entry requires your attorney to do a lot more
Acrobatics to be able to get you in and there are ways to do it
And most of of the decent immigration attorneys are going to know how to get around those hurdles
And the reality is
Any immigration attorney is going to be you know pretty clear that if you've got a criminal record criminal history
We can't really help you
So we're not going to take your money. We're not going to take your case because it's a loser
And you're better off, you know going back
The the people that are in process the people that are being detained in at court
It's it's an observable that's an absurd process
We're discouraging people from doing the right thing. Yeah, yeah
For a while we were hearing about El Salvador El Salvador El Salvador meaning the prison
Uh, and then all of a sudden we stopped hearing about El Salvador
Are they did they stop sending people to El Salvador or did the news cycle just move fast enough and work and El Salvador is just lost in the in the vortex now
New cycle news cycle. Yeah, they're they're still
The the lack of due process is still at
Record highs and I think they just keep breaking the records. Yeah, you know on how many rules they're going to break
Uh, and there's other terrible places are sending them. There's somebody who was in like Djibouti
You know, like just like the port is yeah, that's yeah, that's that's that's where Djibouti is. Yeah
Um, and somebody somebody somebody died in a like a shipping container or something like it's totally it's totally out of control
And again, well, you know
Back to the making mistakes and back to where we are and the the the likenesses of Nazi Germany what I always two things
I always try and tell people because I've spent way too much of my life studying the Holocaust and what happened in Germany
Hitler never said in 1933 when he was running like hey, we're gonna um
Set up concentration camps in Poland with death camps attached to him
Never said anything like that. You just said Jews were the problem and then
There was a thing called the want to see conference. It was January of 42
The want to see is a really nice suburb of Berlin the conference took place in a beautiful house on a lake
Uh, what was the fucking guy's name? Uh, I don't know if you're Hayden. I think it's the last name. Oh, I can look it up
um
They got together and said look
Machine gunning the Jews is really costing us a lot of bullets and the guys who are doing it the Einsatzgruppen
By the way, the Einsatzgruppen was made up almost entirely of German cops that were to became a paramilitary force
They followed behind the German army so the Germany would invade
You know Croatia and then the Einsatzgruppen were bad example. They were allies and invade in Macedonia
And then the Einsatzgruppen would like, you know dig a ditch now shoots on the head and then they'd bury him
And they were really like it was hard on them
It's really hard to kill that many people and they were getting sad and depressed and drinking too much
And they were running at a bullet so they said we have to figure out a
Final solution to the Jewish question which was death camps in Poland
You know and that was 1942 Hitler was elected in 33. Yeah, you know, it's it's
And by the way, let's take Greenland and Canada like oh like territory expansion like because you don't really want a death camp in Mississippi
But if we have one in Greenland like you know, and again, is it is it am I being hyperbolic kind of
You know, well, there's already a seemingly less hyperbolic by the day
I mean, there's already seemingly an inescapable prison in El Salvador which might as well be a death camp
And if it was a death camp
We're not gonna find out about it without invading
I'm sure horrible shits happening. I mean, we know horrible shits happening there
But again like it was the you know
People think like Hitler had this idea for for Cyclone B gas chambers
He never even knew about it. It was it was his minions that were turned loose to like carry out his will
Yeah, you know what I mean? It was it was literally there were in a mansion in on a lake in Berlin
Like this is what we should do. This would be the most efficient way
To to you know carry out the fears will get rid of the history certainly repeating itself
Dumbing down the American public over the last 50 years. That's a big one cutting education. That helps you know people get dumber
and
So I don't blame I don't blame the dumb people for the situation where and I'm really disappointed
particularly in
In my own people the the Jews that were pro Trump
Still very few, but yeah, they're really disappointing
It's it's super disappointing because you know like
Most of you were well educated
especially with what happened in the 30s and but I got a friend Jewish guy father's a doctor
And I put a thing up on Instagram. I was an Anne Frank quote where she was like they're snatching people off off the street
Our neighbors are disappearing which was this she wrote before she was in the attic
This was just her diary and he's like how dare you do that? There's no there's nothing is like that at all
And I'm like he's like, you know, you're like whatever I said you're appropriating our trauma like my grandparents
Grandparents where you know they had to dig their own ditch or killed and blah blah
Yeah, and I'm like it's the same thing. I'm like and I was trying to tell him like she's writing that in like in you know
Whatever if you're an exactly when the afternoon was being on the guest 1940
You know along with France and Belgium
You know that was before she had to hide in the attic and this is the before times
This is before you know my nephews half Guatemalan
It's gonna have to go in an attic somewhere, you know what I mean like it's just doing states instead of countries now sure
Right we have some questions from the patrons
It's not a ton because we have a very specific topic of discussion today
It's outside of our normal flow, but we want to let them get in there because they are very supportive over at patreon.com
slash the smoking tire podcast
some of these may overlap things that have already been said so we'll try to
Make it as non-repeated as possible John says my wife has had a green card for 30 years
She has her Japanese pride
And did not want to get full citizenship, but may do that now. What should she do?
I'm doing this process myself
In the past in the US when you became a US citizen you had to give up your prior citizenship
So I gave up
Gladly my Argentinian citizenship
And only had the US citizenship now the US allows you to have multiple citizenship
You can have multiple passports
So my recommendation for anybody that only has a green card is to take this the
Simple exam and do the process for your citizenship
You can usually get it done in under a year you already have your citizenship by the end of the year
The exam is a hundred and one questions. It's very simple and
Yeah, and there's ways to get out of the exam if you have a medical condition
You you know can't concentrate or if you don't speak English and you've had your green card for at least 15 years
You can also get out of the English requirement
But it's highly recommended especially given the the current situation the current climate
Get the citizenship in the US the green card isn't what it used to be do
Do you have copies of the exam like can I try it? Yeah, I want to try it. Yeah, I said just online
Yeah, it's a very simple civics
Exam I want to try it. I want to see if I could if I could get a hundred. Okay. Well, maybe let's try. Yeah, okay
Sam England. I think we should all try. Yeah, we should try we should get progressively
I
All right, we have a lot of booze to get through on a later show. Yes, so we will do a drinking citizenship test
For Johnny and I we're fucking put our money where our mouth is didn't have backfire when they did that with driving where they would give people
Like a shot. Well, I know so we did in
In 2011 12 when we were doing the car show on speed network
Adam Corolla got to do it and that bummed me out because I really wanted to do it
But he hypothesized that he was a better driver drunk than it was like a woman doing her makeup and like a very old guy
And someone trying to like drink a coffee or something and he did I don't know five six shots of vodka and like
Beat these folks in an auto and because it was TV
we had to have cops there and
He fucking drove home like he was like all right guys were done
Like see you later in the cops like okay after demonstrating he was a better driver. They just let him drive
I did that in college. They were they were trying to show us the effects of in the you know drunk driving and they wanted to volunteer and I was
Of course, yeah, and yeah, I got to drive a crowned vick through cones and they stopped me after six shots when there was a barely no effect
I would try to recreate the the car and driver 1982 weed study. I've pitched it
Three times a year
Eventually
You just got to use private cars. You don't have owners agree
Sam England says I have a basic understanding of how our immigration system works and have Mary
Very many family members of strong anti-immigration stances
I'm sure they have some valid concerns, but the bulk of their points aren't based on fact according to Sam
What is a good resource to learn about how our system works to educate myself and combat bad faith arguments or
Factually inaccurate ones from my drunk uncle of Thanksgiving turn off the Fox news network. Oh, is there a good?
Is there a immigration law for dummies where someone could get basic facts if they're not a lawyer?
It seems to be intentionally complicated. Well, there is a book
The immigration book for dummies does exist
And you know while the your your your immigration lawyers aren't using it the
I would wish that the notarios which are
Illegally filing things for people. I wish they would at least read that because they fuck things up so badly that we have to end up cleaning up
But yeah, the there's a lot of handbooks. There's there's great resources online
What I've found recently not for legal research, but
forgetting just basic primers on stuff. I started using chat GPT and
A lot of the stuff that it that it's regurgitating back to me is pretty accurate
Okay, so if you have if you have you know particular questions like let's say your grandmothers from Japan and
You want to know what the contribution of Japanese immigrants to the United States has been or you know
Even better Mexican family members and you want to know how much more they put into the system in tax dollars versus how much they take out
Uh, you can chat GPT is pretty good about that always ask chat GPT for end notes or footnotes and you'll have the data and hopefully it won't make shit up
Hopefully
Don't take it straight to court. That's only on heathen health and human service reports was it right?
Uh, just smoldering rim says
Uh, my wife was born in Columbia became a US citizen as a child. She has a valid passport and we're traveling to Mexico
There's rumors homeland security are detaining people coming back into the country and passports are not enough to prove citizenship
And she should also travel with her end 600 form
Truth or not truth not necessary
The only time you should have a concern coming into the United States
Uh
Is if you've got
Crimes on your record and you are not a citizen if you are a US citizen
Coming through customs. Uh, you're not going to have an issue
If you have only a green card
But you got for example some misdemeanors and even though you were given the green card
10 20 years ago and that misdemeanor was on there when they gave you the green card
They can still give you problems about it as you come in what they'll traditionally do if they see any crimes
Uh, they will put you into secondary inspection
You'll be there for a couple hours and you'll still be let go if it's a significant crime
That they're concerned about and want you to not be in the United States
They're not going to deport you
They are going to uh, give you a hearing and you're going to go through what's called a
42A
cancellation of removal process where you're going to have to hire a lawyer
That's going to defend you in court and explain why you shouldn't have your green card removed
But you know
Summary deportations at the airport if you're a US citizen unheard of
Uh, it's not going to happen. What about getting global entry?
If you if you can if you can you know get it like because that way you kind of just they scan you in a machine
You've already gone through an interview with a global entry if you are not a US
She's a you like I was a US citizen yeah
Yeah, US citizen can get global entry and then you just kind of that would be my advice just go do it takes
It's got a hundred bucks and it takes an hour
Absolutely global entry is wonderful if you can get it
Okay, I have it it's the best it's the best I had it and I made uh in during the first term
I was really vocal about how bad things were doing and
What a negative impact the administration was having on immigration and then my global entry got cancelled with no reason
Wow, seriously. Yeah, away. Oh, that's creepy. That's creepy. That's oh, sorry to hear that
And I use you travel a lot. Yeah, I go to my passport
For Sean says the internet makes it feel like so many Americans have villainized undocumented immigrants to an insane degree
In your experience is that actually the case or do people simply not realize how many of the people around them are
undocumented and fleeing bad situations
yeah
villainizing immigrants
Um, I think it has happened for all of time
It's always there's always been a level of xenophobia regardless of country, right?
Charlie Irish people weren't white enough
And tell you what
Yeah, right uh everyone who's now white used to not be white
The internet gives a microphone to people that shouldn't be heard
Uh
Write that down. Yeah
There's there's a lot of bad information out there. There's misinformation. There's
uh, you know
Just do a simple search on how much less criminality comes from immigrants than from homegrown
White people
But also not homegrown people of color not the children of immigrants
Uh, I guess everyone's an immigrant unless you're native American, but the it's white people
but like but like again
the the
As we're talking about with the flag being co-opted like like sadly somehow undocumented is now like synonymous with Mexican
You know, I was reading a thing. There's six hundred and sixty thousand undocumented
Irish and Italians in like in New York and Massachusetts right now
In plain sight right now and guess where ice is not, you know, it's what they're not going after and they have six hundred and sixty thousand
You know, it's they have the benefit of not being
Of entering with tourist visas or student visas that expired or work visas that expired. They're currently yes undocumented
But
You know because they're not brown skin and because they didn't you know risk their lives fleeing
gang violence and swimming across a frozen river
Right leave alone. Yeah
Um
Myron our good friend Myron says one of the best things that regular citizens not in the legal field can do to help turn around the current
unfortunate state of affairs vote Myron's awesome. I went on the
rally in Japan
It was
No Japan rally nippon. Okay, and it was a sponsored by Alfred Dunhill
Great group. They I think out of the 50 cars and there was some amazing cars
They had ten foreigners and Myron and I were two of the foreigners that were invited to participate
Awesome guy great car taste
Super knowledgeable. Hi Myron. Yeah, he rules. Yeah
Buy his book. Buy his book. We drove in 1970. Is that the giant book? Yeah, the like Japanese cars. We have so good
I drove a 71 9 11 S
Which was lovely. I can't remember what Myron was driving it may have been
Shit Myron text me if you if you remember he'll chime in later. Yeah, Japanese a bit
What can regular people do if so vote obviously, you know the vote
But we're beyond that now, right? This guy may not even leave if he gets voted out
So at this stage
Just you know be be understanding supportive of
Your non violent non criminal immigrant neighbors
talk to your representatives
uh
It's it's gotten so much media attention
That it you can move the needle by pushing on your representatives. I
You know, how do you contact a representative like what's the most effective way phone? Yeah, it's the most effective way and car
hard to ignore fun
I
And before being a lawyer, I worked in DC for a senator
And the the phones and mail were very effective mail
Yeah, okay, old snail mail. All right, okay drop it in
Um
Okay, before we before we wrap it up
um
Circle back in november
Johnny Lieberman myself
December your son does it December november? I think it's December 5th. Okay, whatever work
Your son Tatum. Yeah, and who's known is there a fourth? I think it's well, I don't know. I think it's Tommy Kendall
Oh
Hey, oh boy
So we're we're the permission from the wife, which he still hasn't gotten but
Yes
Well, we're gonna now we get a ghost car to chase. Yeah, that's so we're we're racing. He's gonna be fast car
No, no, no, we're racing um whose race car is it's gonna be the Hulk uh, yeah, be a green one on e92 m3
That we lease for the race. Oh fabulous. Yeah, this is a this is a
Stick shift or DCT. It's DCT. Okay. It's great. It's like it's like a GT4 style car
Yeah, I mean, it's you know, it's competitive in its class. It's in it's in like the the GP1
Yeah, GP1. Yeah, we're it's it's WRL race. Yeah, I'm excited because we get to really see Johnny and me same car
He's probably gonna be me, but yeah, yeah
And I'm gonna chase we got both at the chase Tommy and Tato Tato's fast
Tato's gonna be fast
Sorry, Tom. Tato's pretty quick. Tato's ridiculous. Like Tommy. We were
We were at the 1010s motor club shout out to him
In Charlotte. Yeah, new country club track. Yeah, fucking sick if you're in Charlotte
Shout out to the Smith family for inviting us and they did an event
Called the Heritage Invitational and part of it was like a pro am
um
Race of champion style
Showdown with electric mccons on their track nice and Tommy Kendall won shocker. Oh, right
Incredibly aggressive driving style. Yeah, he's not gonna be not aggressive, but Tato, but I mean like like
He's so ridiculous um, but he he podiumed I think it was his second super trofeo race. Yeah weekend and he got second place
Amazing, where is he and Laguna Saka at Laguna. Yeah, that's awesome. Like like podiumed. He's 20 years old and started driving when he was 19
Wow, good time. That was a great. He's so good. He didn't start racing till he was I think 1918
So during covid he's 20. He just turned 21
And I had a beer with him when he was 20
I
Think that's more than here on document and I think that was the night before race and he was late for the race
Well, your son does not like to
Go number two in public
We can all relate. Well, he's so you had to go back to the hotel
Which I'm okay with. I'm okay. So yeah, he started driving at during during covid was
We really got into it
Going to Willow Springs, Kalo Messier
He's got the only well he had the only warehouse on track, right
Where he had a bunch of race cars in there and he's a good friend of ours a wonderful human being. He's amazing
Yeah, nice as person you've ever met and when dressed up like a woman looks pretty good. Yeah
Yeah
So I'm in a whole party once I already and
And then you know, we started you know screwing around the track and Tato really liked it and Kalo took him under his wing started coaching him
Um, so it's probably like I don't know he we're in 2025. Five years ago. Yeah, 16. Oh, okay
I thought but his first race was when he was 19 first race was
Uh, a year and a half ago. Yeah, yeah, 19 still quick study. That's very cool. He was when I race with him. I mean, I was I was
Well, I didn't crash the car. I'll say that. I did. Yeah, so I'm not invited to raise
Yes, I took his spot
As Randy Pope said about me. Well, you'll never win. You'll never crash me. You'll never win
Listen, if someone's letting you drive their race car. Yeah, not crashing is his biggest thing out
Yeah, but um, but Tato was just like like I think he was the fastest in out of all the cars in our
In our class awesome and like and and like you know
It's ridiculous like we were looking at line here on the computer. Go over your line and MJ our coach is like, you know
Do here's where you're losing to and he overlays Tato's line. He's like, yeah, don't do any of that. I don't know
I don't know what he's doing
What I was at a Atlanta Motorsports Park and I shared a car with um
fucking uh
Jordan Taylor, you know and
Right Jordan set set and you know the new blackwing has caused with toolbox in it
And so Jordan set the thing and then I drove the car and then we overlaid
And look, I got I got closer to Jordan. I got I was proud of myself. I did really well
I was I was 1.3 off of Jordan, which for one day is like
Actually, that's really good. Yeah, the places where he was quicker. It was a
Enormous oh hell fucking no right am I going flat over blind
Yeah, yeah, I was just saying probably faster in the corners
We were we were tied in all like the slow
slow medium corners and then the two
Enormous risk
It's really light. He was like floorboard that yeah, it's always very
Shadows of Jordan Taylor. Can I ask one of our patrons submitted a real quick question. He says
Did he is a relative who has an expired green card and how safe would reentry be
Uh
With an expired car is a problem you need to renew that card before leaving the country if he's already outside the country
Uh, you can renew it at a U.S. Consulate, but I wouldn't
Try and take the chance of coming here with an expired green card. I think you're gonna have problems
Renew it before you get on that plane or whatever. Yep. Okay. Thank you. And you can
You can rush it. Remember the card itself is just a travel document
You do not stop being a resident because the card is expired or you lost the card
So you remain a resident, but it's going to be a pain in the ass at customs with an expired travel document
So go to the nearest consulate if you're in Mexico
You're gonna end up having to go to Juarez which sucks
Is a really bad place. Yes, that's where the consulate is
U.S. Consulate. It's not in Mexico City. Why not? The embassy is on the embassy. Ah, gotcha. Gotcha
What's the difference for those of us who are idiots? Consulate all the embassy in a consulate consulate offices do a lot of the
Grunt work for the embassies
Look if you lose your passport
You go to the consulate not the embassy the embassies more like official business. I see yeah
And oftentimes countries will have multiple consulates
So
Mexico has a bunch of consulates in the U.S
Argentina has a few you know Miami
New York Los Angeles
Consulates the way to go. Got it. Yeah
We will put the link to your firm's site for anyone that needs you in the show notes
Take Sergio's advice. Fucking guy seems like he knows what he's doing
You don't get to where he's where he is without knowing a few things about a few things
Try and try and
How how nervous are you for the next you know six months of our country right now
super nervous
I think we're the the spiral has has just started
Marines is active
Marines in LA right now. Yeah, we're we're going in the wrong direction and then these Marines have no right
Like the National Guard. They can't detain anyone anyway
Not only that Marines are trained to fucking murder people
Yeah, I mean, you know, it's called you know warfare, but they're good at killing
They have no police training. They don't know how to like handcuffed. They've never handled handcuffs
You know what I mean? They just know how to slaughter their good snipers
They're great at like destroying other armies
But they're terrible about policing people waving Mexican flags on maybe bikes like they're the it's the wrong thing
I was talking with our more conservative friend Adrian. Oh, yes
Yesterday, his daughter. I want to see her raise apparently guy's driver. Yeah, she should probably take my spot for the code
so
Yeah
I was talking with Adrian yesterday about you know, what can be done
uh
And how how scary things are at the moment and he sees it too
You know, he'll openly tell you that you know, he voted for the for the bad guy
Uh, but he's he's concerned about it and we talked about you know
Maybe we can have a correction at the midterms and in my opinion that's too late like
At the speed at which things are falling apart
Who knows if you're going to have midterms and if and if you have them like can you trust them like now
You know, unlike when trump actually lost the election now all his people are going to be in control of every election
Now I'm concerned and let's let's also like remember
I always bring this point out because there will you'll start hearing calls to cancel the midterms
But like we were able to have elections during the civil war
We were able to have elections during World War II during World War I during every war
We've always had elections. You know, we're not a democracy unless we have our elections
There's nothing happening. I don't care how many people are you know throwing rocks at
Uh, you know, iser or national guard. You can still have elections
So when you start hearing that that's like really yeah, a dangerous precedent
Like if we can have if we can have elections during the civil war
We can have elections in a year and a half. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well look
These people are are like neighbors and they live with us and work with us and like
Family in a lot of cases the crime
The crime of being here is a really fucking minor crime
Even if you want to use that as an excuse. Oh, they're crazy. It's the smallest most bullshit. We justification for this stuff
Commit more crimes every day in our cars. Yeah, they're actually crimes. Yeah, you know, or at least violations
That's off the record. Right?
Coaches. That's a really that's a great point. Yeah, because yeah because again
You know, they're
There's criminal and there's civil right it's it's a civil thing to be here
You know, the tough on crime people are awfully selective with what kinds of crime they're being tough on
Yeah, be nice to each other
Thank you for coming down, sir. Do I appreciate it? I can't wait to drive your race car
And or your least race car. It's good. Whatever it is gonna be a good. It's called the Hulk
It's the Hulk is the one you guys are gonna race in the we have the super trofeo
Practice car at button willow if you ever want to give that thing a spin. Oh, I'd like to have driven a super trofeo car in Las Vegas
And it was a good time. I would like to do that. Yeah, that's a good one
I like me a hurricane. Yeah, and and then the the race car race car is
handled by TR3 which is
really
Good race team out of Florida when we do that race in coda is there a practice day friday
Yeah, and can you bring can you practice in non race vehicles
Yes, like I've brought I've brought really fast sports cars to the practice days and they let me run laps in them
We did we I'm trying to think because we did um, I had a I had a x5m. Yeah, they have parade laps, right?
We did like a sighting lap in the x5m. We just put the whole team in there. I think you want to practice
Like you do want to practice, but you also don't want to tire out
If I want to if I bring my own car and want to win 40 laps of coda just to fucking get better at coda
What's the guys? I feel the guy
I can't even a super nice guy
I'm sure they don't care. You can you can any car that passes tech you can practice in right right right
The team that you guys will be running with his open throttle
Awesome guy's Jacksonville awesome guys and all their cars are bright bright green. I love it
And they're good cars the guys are fantastic and they wrench 20 hours a day when people break the car
I can't do that you know I can do cook food. I will make food happen. They cook food and you should cook the food because
Actually, the best thing I don't know if I told you this the best thing that happened was they were cooking hamburgers
And they had a stack of
Cheese slices. They did this big dog or the big dog walks up and just licks up the cheese slices
And I'm looking at it and the guys look at it. He's like that's all the cheese we got
They went right on
Totally cooked off. Yeah, if you want to see the
Some track time from the super trofeo from inside the car
At Laguna Seca
Mateo Ciderman on Instagram. Okay, some cool videos on there. We will link
Thanks boys and next time we have a lot of bourbon tasting to do you can join us on that if you want next time
Didn't seem like the idea for a new show. Yeah, yeah, bourbon tasting and I have I kind of have big news
Should I announce it now or wait you like?
All right
Starting my own YouTube channel finally
Yeah, it should drop it should drop on Monday. It's that's the 16th thing. What's it called?
It's a great name really you're gonna blow you yeah, it's smoking tire
No, it's driving with Johnny. Okay. Yeah, driving with Johnny. That's cool. I was trying to I went down like you know
Car
Wonder car, you know, there's no names left. There's no names left
Yeah, so driving with Johnny. Yeah, and I hooked up with this guy
Rylic Alexander
He actually I think wants to get in touch with both of you, but here's this channel called O shift
Oh, I've seen that yeah, if you find on YouTube, he did a thing on my gr
Oh, yeah, okay, and you know, it's I had that we met in a good vibe. He shoots with the big big lens
Yeah, super yeah, but it's one of those things I watched him work like so Anthony Esposito was the longtime director of head-to-head and ignition
And now he does all the
Camisa videos, so you know whenever you see some amazing camera work on Camisa's shit
That's Anthony and I remember he filled in one day on on an old motor train video
I was doing and I watched this guy work and I'm like that's a one-man wrecking crew like I've just like just so much hustle
Doesn't want to stand around and tell stories like I do. That's all I'm good for
um, and Rylic was the same way
If you go if you go to that O shift for a second, you can you can see
Uh, that's fucking up over. Okay, well anyways my my little gr is uh, it it it's pretty cool
Let's see, there it is. It's up there. There it is
Um, anyways, I watched this guy where I like work and I had the same feeling where he just didn't stop working
Even though a lot of us including his father
We're standing around and cracking jokes and having a good old time
He was just working work and work and work and hustle hustle
And I've been talking to other people because like, you know, obviously
I know how to like you know talk and I've been doing this for a long time
Um, as editing is beyond me and uh, and I and I've been talking to guys and nothing was coming to fruition
And everyone's like, ooh, I live in like Orange County or Illinois and but I think I can do it. I'm like, no, no, no
And I just he came out of my house because he's like, oh, I didn't get one shot
I just want to re-shoot a couple things. I'm like, that's crazy. Like most people just like we're not gonna have
You're intake in the video and I just mentioned to him. He's like, dude, I'll help you. I'm just like
So yeah, so we shot a bunch of stuff
Um, we should have including we're gonna go should at your place on Saturday
But we should have like this Saturday, you know, 14th? Yep
Um, you agreed to several times
We're bringing a scooter re in the 4GT so it'll be over all the time. Yeah, 4GT is the best
Yeah, yeah, the second gen
Um, yeah, and uh first gen 4GT is the best
Okay, well, we'll get there. But anyway, so yeah, I'm I'm excited. It'll it's just driving with Johnny on YouTube. Yeah, I'm good time coming
That's our show folks, right?
Um, the uh green notice canyon if you missed it will be available for patrons on Monday the 16th
If you've already emailed me about completing the set of five and I've guaranteed you an allocation
You will get an emailed from me directly before that you'll get to buy yours first and then a hundred units for patrons of the green
And the Tahitian black pearl will be following two weeks after that with 50 units
Um, thank you. This is a different uh thing that we normally do, but I
Saw what was happening in the city and made the call and decided it was something worth talking about
So thank you for sharing your expertise Sergio and for those of you still here. Thanks for hearing us out. See you guys later
About this episode
Sergio Siderman, an immigration attorney, joins the podcast to discuss the current state of immigration in the U.S., particularly in Los Angeles. He shares his family's harrowing history fleeing Argentina and how it shaped his career. The conversation delves into the complexities of immigration law, the challenges faced by undocumented immigrants, and the impact of recent political changes. Siderman emphasizes the importance of understanding the legal processes and the human stories behind immigration, while also touching on the societal perceptions and misconceptions surrounding immigrants.
Original notes
Sergio Siderman is an Immigration Attorney whose origin story includes kidnappings, random, and of course, the asylum process. We invited him on the show to inject some facts into the goings on with ICE in an effort to fight through the noise and pundits. Sergio explains what is really happening to immigrants of varying immigration status, why this whole thing began, crime statistics, the effects it will have on your community, and what people with green cards, visas, in-process immigration, or not status at all, should do to prepare for the future.
It's an incredible enlightening episode and even if you don't have any immigrants in your family, you surely know some, and this hour will help you better understand their lives.
We also talk about the race that Matt, Sergio, and Jonny Lieberman will be participating in at COTA later this year.
https://sidermanlaw.com/?lang=en
The study on immigrant crime statistics:
https://siepr.stanford.edu/news/mythical-tie-between-immigration-and-crime
Recorded June 11, 2025
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The Smoking Tire
Zack Klapman, Matt Farah
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