Irish Rich Custom Motorcycles at 85th Sturgis Rally #431

What's up, everyone, and welcome back to the Fast Scythe podcast.

On today's episode, I'm sitting down with none other than Rich, aka Irish Rich, who is

a legend here in the custom motorcycle building world.

He's almost in every magazine I seem to pick up on my shelf and flip through from the days

past.

He lives up in Sturgis, South Dakota.

So now I think we're on this path of sitting down every year at Sturgis to catch up, hear

some more stories, talk some more motorcycles, and just get to hear some of his wisdom.

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Now, let's get into this episode with Irish Rich.

Hey guys, you ready to let the dogs out?

How you been man?

It's been a year.

Yeah.

Well, I'm looking forward to this.

I enjoyed it last year, so I guess we'll do it again if you're willing.

I'm willing.

Yeah.

And we'll talk with whatever you want.

Yeah.

I mean, like I said, last year, I think we kind of really went over a lot of like, you

know, your path getting into where you landed here in Sturgis.

Yeah.

So, you know, like, yeah, I was thinking about it on the way over here.

I was like, I wanted to ask you, like, what do you think your most memorable

time ever in Sturgis was?

Probably the first year.

First year?

When they ride in City Park and they burnt the border potties because they

wouldn't come in.

Yeah.

And everybody was so rowdy they wouldn't come in and pump out the border potties.

So they tipped them over and burnt them and the cops wouldn't go in, you know.

So, I think that's probably, that was my first year up here.

And I mean, you know, Sturgis was, it was pretty wild.

Yeah.

Still, you know, I think there were like 26,000 people.

Okay.

So, pretty much everybody was staying, there wasn't really a bunch of campgrounds

everywhere and things like that.

Well, there were some, you know, and...

But that was the place to be with City Park?

Oh, City Park definitely was what was happening.

And there were still quite a few people that were running out their houses and stuff.

Yeah.

And, yeah, that was the place to be.

Yeah.

Either there or Deadwood.

Deadwood?

Yeah.

Because, well, they still kind of run close together.

They had Deadwood days in 1976 with the Parades and the rodeos and all that.

Yeah.

And then the rally started.

Was the other cities like your Hill City and Rapid City, were they much a part of the

rally in that time?

Or was it...

Well, people would stay in Rapid City.

Yeah.

You know.

And, no, as the time went on, everybody was looking at Sturgis and they're going, well,

if these people are making money, you know, weakening.

And Sundance was pretty big at that time.

And, obviously, Deadwood.

But Hill City and all those, they had people that were staying there, but there really

wasn't much going on.

Get up in the morning, leave, come back at night and go to sleep.

But now Hill City's got like a little mini...

Yeah, they've got their own rally going on.

Yeah, they've got a mini main street there.

Yeah.

And Spearfish the same thing.

They've got one street in, down at the end of town there.

They've got vendors set up and they've got...

Yeah.

They had that gas station at the end of Spearfish Canyon that's always got tons of vendors

at and whatnot.

Yeah, it seems like you said everybody started getting in on the money aspect of

being able to sell some real estate for some brand or some guy to come out.

Well, Hill City has, like I said, like a little mini main street,

little mini Sturgis there.

And they have vendors set up on almost every gas stop in there.

Yeah, yeah.

No.

I mean, they might not be major vendors, but a lot of them are like pretty good

t-shirt vendors.

Yeah, yeah.

You know, and some parts of accessories, but I don't know what they're charging them

up as Hill City, what the rates are.

You know, I mean, they've got to be cheaper than mainstream.

Oh, yeah.

Yeah.

And I think that they looked around.

Everybody looked around and they said, hey, if Sturgis is making money,

everybody's got to come through here.

Yeah.

Let's make money too.

Exactly.

So I don't know what they charge for, like, you know, vendor permits and stuff,

but, you know, some of these places downtown, I don't know how they make any money

because you've got to buy your tax licenses,

yeah, permits and your vendor spot and that.

And even before you sell a t-shirt.

Yeah.

It's like $2,500 to $3,000, you know.

My buddy used to set up right on the corner across from One Eye Jackson

and the side of someone's yard.

It was $13,000 to be there.

Oh.

And then, yes, you do have all the, what they call the Sturgis Mafia.

They want their money.

You know what I mean?

Yeah.

Well, they probably still do it.

I vented up here at Sturgis Community Center with a company called Giants.

Yeah.

They did it in 2000 and 2001.

And you had to pay your taxes on Sherman Street there on a Sunday and then Wednesday

and then to Saturday before you left.

And if you weren't down there in the morning to pay your taxes,

in the middle of the afternoon, there would be the Sturgis tax people with a clipboard going,

you didn't report your income here.

Yeah.

You'd pay your taxes and they'd want the money right on the spot.

Yeah.

That's wild.

Yeah.

And I know there's an additional fee like if it's a tattoo parlor, you know,

or a tattoo operation.

Why?

I didn't know, brother.

All right.

Get out of here.

All right, guys.

All right.

Okay.

We'll let them pull off.

So we'll let them pull off that way if it gets super loud.

Yeah.

Okay.

They'll probably roll down.

Now because actually when I would leave here,

a lot of times we'd go to Spearfish and look around there and get something to eat.

Then we'd take, I don't remember the highway.

3, no, 685.

I don't know.

It runs from the middle of Spearfish.

It comes out right at the bottom of the hill right before Newcastle.

Are you talking about the one that'll take you to Deadwood or the one that takes you down?

Oh, Newcastle.

That's like Wyoming, isn't it?

Yeah.

Yeah, that's right.

You come out right before Newcastle and Newcastle's just south of there.

You climb up and over the hill.

Yeah.

Isn't it the road that comes out of lead and goes all the way out there?

No.

That's 385.

Oh, okay.

That's Newcastle.

Okay.

Yeah.

That's 385.

I'll tell you if there's a road up there, I'll tell you.

The motorcycle won't see you because we're out east, you know?

It's now beyond here.

Still got that.

I think he's got that job.

It looks like an FXR surgery.

No, he doesn't need to change it.

Every little FXR surgery is just like two thirds the size.

Yes.

Yeah.

The settlement makes that.

Settlement.

Yeah.

I had to make the choice this year of going to the settlement party or going to Keith

Falls.

Oh.

Deal on Friday night.

And I always go to the settlement party.

Yeah.

And he has his on Friday night and they revealed the 85th anniversary painting.

Oh, that's cool.

In his shop and the Law Tigers took care of the refreshments and stuff.

Nice.

But I figured I have to support Keith.

Yeah.

How far do you all go back?

About 25 years.

Okay.

Yeah.

About 25 years.

So about what?

2000.

Yeah.

2025, right?

Yeah.

Yeah, it is.

So when did he get, when did he stop being the editor of EasyRider?

Oh, you know, it had to be in the early 80s.

I'm not exactly sure.

I could look it up.

Yeah.

But Frank Keisler was on the staff.

He was on it in like about 80 and 81 is when he joined.

And when Keith left, then Frank Keisler took over.

They tapped him for editor.

And I think he was editor for quite a few years, maybe four or five.

I don't know.

I'd have to look all this stuff up.

My mind is not, you know, I can't pop this stuff.

I can't pop it out anymore.

So I'm kind of like a computer running the slow Windows 98.

You know, not even second edition.

Yeah, yeah.

The five and a half inch flop, instead of a three and a half.

But the Frank left.

Keith came back.

I'm not exactly sure what happened.

And I can ask Keith.

I can't ask Frank because Frank passed away four years ago.

So I can't ask him.

Yeah, I mean, I stayed at his place in San Pedro.

And then I stayed with him when I was out there in LA.

When he bought his place in Wilmington.

Yeah.

He bought the old Siemens Hotel where the guys would come in to the docks.

And they, you know, be there like two or three days.

Yeah.

They'd catch the next ship out.

They'd stay there.

Yeah, that's cool.

So I had a little historical significance.

And then down at the end of his street was like the only access from San Pedro to the ocean.

So Keith thought that'd be a good place to buy because, you know, they were going to redevelop that whole area.

Yeah.

And they were more accessible in that.

I don't know.

I think it all, I think the Dragon of Heald on.

Yeah.

The alley's broken.

Okay.

You know, they don't, they don't have a pot to piss in.

So, you know, I think that kind of, I don't know if they're still doing it or not.

Again, we'd have to ask Keith.

So he can, he can fill you in on all that.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Well, it's funny we're talking about easy riders.

Well, Dave Nichols became the editor and I'm not sure he was editor when I had my FXTT bike in Easy Riders.

He was the editor and I'm thinking that was like 2012 or 2013.

A guy I graduated high school with.

He's a musician, songwriter.

He travels all over the country.

He's been in a whole bunch of different groups and stuff.

And he asked me one time, he goes, hey, do you know a guy named Dave Nichols?

I said, yeah, he's the editor of Easy Riders.

He said, where's my next door neighbor?

I said, yeah, well, tell him he owes me money for quoting me in his last book.

Yeah.

So, but that I'm not clear on the dates.

Yeah.

I didn't have the dates all fucked up.

Yeah, yeah.

What was the first bike you had in Easy Rider magazine?

The, the, my bike that was called the FXTT.

What was that bike based out of?

Like the whole?

It was a, I wanted to, I wanted to build, I had this Kraft Tech frame hanging around.

Yeah.

And finally, Steve said, we're going to build this thing or not.

Yeah.

He said, well, you know what I'd really like to build?

I said, I'd like to build like a Texas shortster.

And I don't know if you'd know what that is.

I don't know.

They would take a rigid frame and it'd shorten it like two to three inches in the back

section and shorten up the wheel base.

Yeah.

And then derake it a little bit.

And then they'd race Class A like that.

Oh, okay.

They'd race it in, in, at the College of Texas shortster because that's where they came out

of.

Okay.

So that's what I did.

I shortened the back frame section two and a half inches and I lined up the bottom

leg.

So it would raise the axle plates and lift the bike up or lower the axle plates unit

and lift the bike up.

And then I realized everything and got it all straight and went from there.

It was a SNS shovel head and 39 millimeter front end.

And a super glide gas tank.

The long peanut style.

Yeah.

And when I bought the tank, I got it on eBay and the guy took pictures of it.

They had a whole bunch of pictures, but he didn't take pictures of the one side.

So when I got the tank, it was 50 bucks.

So when I got the tank, I looked and the sheet metal screw in the side of the tank,

there was a hole in there and he drilled out, put a sheet metal screw in there.

So I had to take care of that.

You know, I moved the filler, put a flush mount in it in the tank.

But when I got it, it was like metallic green.

Yeah.

And she's going, man, there's like the ugliest tank I have ever seen in my life.

I'm going, don't worry about it.

I said, you know, this is just raw material.

I said, you'll think different, you know, when I get it finished.

Yeah.

And he said, I doubt it.

And then when I finally worked it over, you know, the hidden mounts on it.

Like I say, the filler relocate and that.

And he's going, man, he's going, that like fits the bike really well.

That's cool.

Hell yeah.

And I got it on the cover too.

I mean, it was, it was down at the bottom of the cover.

Yeah.

But it was, it was a good sized picture.

And then I got the first feature in the magazine and they always put like their

premiere bikes were always the first feature.

Yeah.

So when you got through with the table of contents and the columns and stuff,

the first feature you went to was usually the one that they wanted to spotlight.

So that's where it was.

Yeah.

And looked at the photography on it.

It made the thing look fabulous.

This was when you were based out of a Denver area.

Yeah.

Because Mike was only a half hour from me.

Yeah.

And there was Mike that insisted I put it in EasyRider.

I said, okay.

That's, you know, that's still like probably one of my goals is to,

you know, hopefully the EasyRider magazine continues to go on.

And then I can, you know, that's one of the things I want to get, you know.

Well, it was with me too.

I mean, I have the first, you know, I have the EasyRiders from like the very

first issue.

Yeah.

You know, as soon as I got on the newsstand, I grabbed it.

Man, this is an unbelievable magazine.

Yeah.

You know, I bought them.

I have them all up to the issue that they did the coverage on the

95th anniversary for Harley-Davidson.

Okay.

And after that I didn't, there was nothing in there I really wanted to see.

Yeah.

You know, and I didn't like the editorial content anymore.

So I just quit buying them.

Yeah.

But that being said, because I had bought EasyRiders ever since the first issue.

Mm-hmm.

And it always been one of my goals to get a bike in EasyRiders.

Yeah.

So it didn't matter to me when Mike said, well, we're going to send it to EasyRiders.

Mm-hmm.

And it didn't matter to me at the time.

I just, I said, well, I got a bike in EasyRiders, finally.

Yeah.

I checked that off my list.

Yeah.

You know.

It was like putting a, trying to get a bike into the Grand National Roadster

Show in Pomona, California.

Yeah.

Because it's really hard to get in that show, you know.

Because you've got to send in your application.

You've got to send in, you know, right, left photos, front, back.

Same thing with the cars.

They cut the bikes off at 75 entries.

Because that's not a lot in Southern California, I mean.

Yeah.

75 bikes is not anything.

That's a bike night.

Yeah.

And they, they sent in my application.

Mm-hmm.

And that was like good enough for me.

Yeah.

Just to be on the floor at the Roadster Show.

That was another one of my goals.

And I did it and I won the Chopper class.

Oh, that's fucking cool.

The booth, you know.

So that was, that was another one off my bucket list, you know.

Check that off.

And what else you want?

So how many did you, you said you ended up having three features

in EasyRiders with three different bikes?

Or what was it?

No, no, no.

I said Mike had shot three of my bikes.

Mike shot three of your bikes.

Yeah.

One for EasyRiders.

And then Frank Keisler shot that one.

The one I, he shot the Chrome Nun, the one that's in the museum.

Yeah.

Here's the museum.

He shot that one for Street Chopper.

Okay.

And then the third one, you can't remember it.

When he was, it was three.

Yeah, yeah.

I'd have to go down because I got all the magazine feature plaques.

Yeah.

And I'd have to go through the plaques and go, oh, here it is.

Yeah.

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Yeah, I missed the days of the magazines, man.

They were, you know, obviously they're still around.

They're moment nostalgic now.

I've been collecting old ones.

I pretty much got the 80s and most of the 90s

summed up of all the magazines, the Easy Riders,

but a little couple of 70s here and there,

but they're getting kind of hard to find,

you know what I mean?

Well, they are.

And if, you know, somebody's,

usually you don't see the Easy Riders

we have separate issues.

Yeah.

You know, and if you do they're like outrageously bright.

Did you ever, like, what was the other one?

Was it a, was it Cycle Connection or Cycle Showcase,

another magazine that was out back in the day?

Supercycle was the biggest header of Easy Riders.

I've seen some of those.

I haven't really ever bought them though.

I have a full collection.

For real?

Yeah.

That was run by Steve Iorio.

Okay.

And he owned SIE that sold, you know,

Springer Front Ends, Fingers and Tanks

and LL bars and Risers.

He was based out of Chicago.

And I don't remember what the connection was

and I remember he used to run ads in there all the time.

Well he ran ads in all the magazines,

but somehow he got Supercycle Magazine.

And then he moved to Huntington Beach

and then he changed the name of the company

to Harley Nostalgia.

Then Harley sued him.

And he had to change it to Nostalgia Cycle.

Okay.

But he kept going with Supercycle.

That's cool.

And I have a full set of them.

And Steve wanted to sell Supercycle.

He didn't want to do it anymore.

And the original editor, Larry Comfortman,

was actually killed on his way back

to Southern California for sturdiness.

Damn.

He had an accident on his strike and he killed.

Damn.

And then Steve took over full time

as the editor and publisher.

So that magazine kind of had the same premise

as Easy Rider, you know, a lot of lifestyle,

a couple of features.

It was actually a little

rar image and content than Easy Rider was at the time

because they wanted to be better than Easy Rider.

Yeah.

It's kind of like the Playboy penthouse thing.

Yeah, right. Exactly.

That's a good analogy.

That's exactly what it was.

And when Steve wanted to

sell Supercycle,

Paisano Publications wanted to buy it.

Yeah.

And he said,

there's no way in hell I'm selling this

to Paisano.

He said,

I'll just end the magazine.

I'll just walk away from it

before I sell it to Paisano.

Yeah.

So he...

Well, a company like that would probably

smooth it all over and,

you know, get rid of the thing that makes it what it is

and try to make it more palatable to

like you were saying earlier on the newsstands, you know?

Yeah.

Well, what eventually happened was

that the people that Steve Iorio

sold the magazine to

turned around and sold it to Paisano

after they ran it for a while.

It's almost like they backdoored them.

Yeah.

So Paisano wound up with it anyway.

Yeah.

So then what they did,

which was what Steve was afraid of,

is that they merged Supercycle

and Biker Magazine.

Oh, okay.

Together because it said Biker on there

and then at the top it said

with Supercycle

and then it killed the title.

Damn.

Got rid of it.

Kind of like got rid of the competition almost, you know?

Yeah.

That's exactly what they did.

Let's cut through it back then.

I know.

What a tangled web, huh?

Yeah.

You know, like when I got into the industry

there was so many magazines.

You had Road, Iron

and, you know, you had so many magazines

that were more kind of just trying to capitalize

off of the early 2000s commercialization

of Harley in the motorcycle industry.

Yeah.

And they all slowly kind of merged

and kind of went away to where you were left

with like Hot Bike and Easy Rider

and of course Chris Callin with Cycle Source.

And it just kind of, I don't know,

Easy Rider went through all these different changes

and then coming back and changes

and it's like the last reiteration of it was

the old Easy Riders are back

but then you look in the magazine

and it doesn't look like the old Easy Riders.

You know what I mean?

No.

And they, you know, they sold Easy Riders.

Yeah.

And they tried to put out the companies

at the bottom.

They weren't even motorcycles.

Yeah, yeah.

You know, had no connection with motorcycles

and then they wanted to make it.

I don't know where they came up with this idea.

They wanted to make a combination of like

Easy Rider magazine and GQ magazine,

Gentleman's Quarter.

Yeah.

Well, that was a big flop.

Yeah.

And it was expensive.

It was like 15 bucks.

Yeah.

You know, had that lasted for two issues.

Yeah, that wasn't going to work.

Have you ever got into like the DICE magazines

or any of those guys?

I have some.

Yeah.

I thought they looked pretty cool.

My favorite is the old, it's not old,

but you remember the show class magazines

that came out for a while?

I have a few of those down there too.

I've been trying to collect the whole thing of that.

That's, that's, those are kind of,

there was a guy selling the whole kit

that I really wanted to buy.

Like all, he had every one of them.

But it was like, I was just getting back

from a motorcycle trip and I spent all kinds of money

and I just couldn't swing the money at the time.

But yeah, that's always been my thing.

I think it was show class and like issue three,

they got a hold of me and wanted to do an interview.

That's cool.

Yeah.

So I did one with them.

And then I didn't have much contact with them after that.

And DICE, I knew those guys.

Yeah, yeah.

And I had a feature in their magazine

on my black shovel head.

Yeah.

North Cal Widow.

We called it because it was like a

Northern California chopper.

That style.

Yeah.

And I think that was issue 10 or 13.

I don't remember.

Anyways, it's the issue that's got

the Captain America helmet on the front.

Oh, there you go.

That's the issue over there.

But I used to see those guys all the time.

Yeah.

Every time I go to a lobby,

so those guys would be around someplace.

Yeah.

I want to say that one of the guys passed away

a couple of years ago.

I'm not Dean.

Mike, right?

Was it Mike?

No.

They're going to kill me because I can't remember.

Yeah.

I forget it too.

I can't remember.

Yeah.

He passed away.

And then I think the Dean actually moved to

North Carolina now, I believe is where he's out of.

I don't know because he went back to England

for a while.

Oh, okay.

Yeah.

Ah.

Oh, now it's going to drive me crazy.

I'll think of it in a minute.

Like I said, we're running a Mundo 98.

You know, I can't recall a lot of that.

Anyways, ask me something.

Ask me something I know.

So how many, how many Sturgis events have

been made in your, you know, in your run

in this motorcycle world?

You can't record that.

My first year was 1982.

Yeah.

And I've probably missed six or eight.

That's crazy.

Yeah.

You know, up till now.

Yeah.

Now you kind of got the cheat code.

You're already here.

Like everybody's coming to you now.

Well, that's true.

You know, my wife says, you know what?

I really love living up here.

She says, I just love this place.

That's why I said looking for Sturgis.

And she says, but I missed that ride up here.

Yeah.

Back.

That was almost as good as going to.

Yeah.

The rally to begin with.

Yeah.

That's the excitement and the unknown

of what's that you're going to be like.

And she was going through all of us.

She's going, we rode through ice,

you know, on the highways.

And we rode through hail storms.

We rode through torrential rain.

Yeah.

From, uh, Denwood to Denver.

Yeah.

Never let up and wind storms,

you know, where we went through this all the way home, you know.

Yeah.

And she said, I really miss all.

So, you know, that's, that's the, uh, the not plus size.

Yeah.

I can see that.

You know, living in Dallas, like we, you know,

we don't have the net natural landscapes that lend itself

to really amazing riding hills, you know,

oceans, things like that.

You know, we have our little things that are good enough.

Right?

Uh, but there's also this aspect that when I get to ride

somewhere, I get to really enjoy it and I take it in more

than I feel like.

And I try to remind a lot of my friends that live in these

badass places.

Like, dude, go watch that sunset on that coast right there.

You know, go, go, go appreciate that shit.

Cause next thing you know, you might be stuck in Utah

or which isn't a bad place either.

But, you know,

Why does everybody pick on Utah?

I don't know.

I love the place.

You know, it's, I think it's pretty good.

Utah used to run these tourist promotions.

Yeah.

You know, and they had two hippies that were just part of

this one promotion.

They had these two hippies standing next to a BW

micro bus.

And, and the guy is going, Utah, isn't that like where

you pass through to go to California, man?

You know, but they were, you know, come to Utah.

Yeah.

But I, you know, so I don't know how, what route you

usually take to go out to Southern California?

Uh, when I was on my baggers, it was usually just

highway blasting.

But since I've been trying to, you know, ride in the

FXR Chopper and once I get this, uh, shovel head

I'm doing done, I want to ride it out there as

well.

I, I like the interstate like 10.

Yeah.

Maybe 1040.

I kind of jumped back and forth, but sometimes I'll

drop down on the eight and go through the Southern

part of like, you know, around the, the Salton Sea

and all that shit.

Yeah.

Oh, but the highway I found that I love is, is the one

29 Palms highway just above the 10.

Yeah.

Coming out of like Parker into like Joshua Tree.

There's nobody on it.

It's got beautiful vistas.

You know, I can stop and shoot some photos

anywhere.

It's, it's amazing.

And, but I, you know, I wanted to do it, start

doing it on like the chopper, the, the FXR chop

and these other bikes because it makes me want to

get off the main highway and go at a slower pace

and just cruise, you know.

The secondary roads and that.

Yeah.

Well, it's like I say, you know, coming up here

for all those years, uh, you can't take the

same route all the time.

Yeah.

100%.

Yep.

And so I've probably covered the majority of the

roads in Colorado, Wyoming and South

Dakota.

Yeah.

You know, I've, I've ridden all through all those.

Yeah.

And, uh, they're all different, but I mean, a

lot of it was, you know, secondary roads.

Yeah.

You know, we used to go from here to, uh, Gillette.

Mm hmm.

And then I think it was 52 went straight down

from Gillette to Douglas, Wyoming and then

we catch 25 and then take it.

Yeah.

Spend a night in Chugwater.

Yeah.

And it was all, you know, that was too late

and there wasn't a single person out there.

Yeah.

Because the only thing about halfway between

there is right and it's basically a center

for everybody that was in the oil and coal

industry.

Yeah.

You know, you go there and there'll be

like 70, 80 trailers.

Yeah.

I mean, with the guys that are working.

We, uh, won the 2020, we came out here.

We did a extended ride, went to Bear

Tooth and Yellowstone and all that shit.

That's awesome.

It is.

It's Bear Tooth and Chief Joseph is one of my

favorites.

Yeah.

Chief Oasis.

Yeah.

I like Red Lodge.

I like Cody.

I just think it's a perfect way to either

come to Sturgis and go through there first

or go home and check that out, you know.

Yeah.

Every couple of years, uh, we would go

to, uh, Cody for a couple of days.

Yeah.

Go to the Buffalo Bill Historical Center,

which I just love, you know, I could

wander around in there for a week.

Yeah.

Then we go into Yellowstone for like three

or four days and stay in Yellowstone.

And then we ride from Yellowstone

back through Cody.

And I'm trying to remember the highway.

I know how to get there.

Yeah.

And, uh, go to, uh, go across to, uh,

Grable and then go over the big courts.

Yeah.

Come out of Sheridan, Wyoming.

That place is nice.

I've ridden that.

And come to Sturgis.

And that was, uh, that's a beautiful ride too.

But that stretch from like Cody to, uh,

Grable, it's just kind of boring.

Yeah.

You know, it's mostly reservation.

Yeah.

Have you gotten to, I mean, you've always

kind of lived west of here.

So most of the times you're coming

and going from Sturgis, you're going through,

you know, like you said,

Wyoming, Colorado and things like that.

You ever get down into like Nebraska

much or in any of Kansas and stuff like that?

Well, we used to take from here

either coming or going.

Yeah.

We would take a 385 out of Deadwood.

And, uh, then we would go, uh,

to, uh, right below, uh, to Shadron, Nebraska.

Yeah.

Which is almost right on the Nebraska

salt border board.

As soon as we come through there on our way up.

And we would go through, uh, Shadron,

Scotts Bluff.

Yup.

And come down, uh, it's Sterling, Colorado.

We'd take I-76 back home.

Yeah.

Just to be different.

That's typically, we come up through Alliance

and how'd you say it, Shadron?

Shadron.

Yeah.

That, to me, in those towns are pretty cool.

They got some cool little bars in them and,

you know, a good stop on the way up.

And, uh, I love it there.

Well, Shadron has, uh, a community college.

And, uh, they also have the museum

of the fur trade there.

Oh, okay.

Which is an awesome place.

All right.

There she goes.

Somebody's got to earn some money around here.

Yeah.

This is me.

She's, uh, caretaker for this one gal.

Okay.

That lives, uh, pretty close to Ballpark Road

in Junction.

Okay.

And, uh, she takes care of her, you know,

in the morning, lunch, and then she goes back

for dinner and puts her to bed about 8 o'clock.

She's about 67 years old.

And, uh, not my wife, but the gal she takes care of.

And she's got cerebral palsy.

Oh.

So, I mean, she needs special care.

The poor girl works a lot of hours because,

like we talked about before,

they can't find anybody that's qualified up here.

Yeah.

There's a real shortage of, uh,

assisted living caretakers.

And, uh, it's like everything else,

like a shortage of deciding to blow off,

you know, like I said,

trying to get somebody to come out to begin with.

Yeah.

And then it's rally time.

So nobody's doing anything.

Yeah.

They're all hibernating for a couple weeks.

Yeah.

They're either leaving or they're participating

or they just, yeah, staying in the house

and that's it.

It's a, uh, they don't come out.

That's like the guy, uh,

an assistant of the Mola lawn here.

Yeah.

This is so big and I'm not buying a $2,000 lawn motor.

Yeah.

So I just pay them to do it.

Yeah.

And they, they call it,

because we've had so much rain.

They mow the lawn and a couple days later,

it's like this high again.

And, uh, they said,

well, you know, we're, uh,

we're going to be leaving for 10 days

during the rally and they do it every year.

I said, where are you guys going?

North Dakota.

That doesn't sound like a vacation to me.

No, not unless I watch all these people

from North Dakota.

Yeah.

But, uh, the fishing is good up there.

I've, I have ridden through North Dakota,

but it's, it's kind of laughable.

What I did, I literally clipped the corner of it

over there, north of Sioux Falls

to go into Minnesota.

Okay.

So I need to properly go through there one year

and check out like some of the,

you know, whatever it has to offer.

I haven't been much in the,

into the Eastern part of Montana either yet.

Done all the stuff out West.

Um, but yeah, I need to check more.

We were talking about Nebraska too.

We used to go in, uh, the middle 80s.

Uh, Lake McConaughey is right up above,

um, I'm not sterling, but, um,

Ogallala.

Yeah.

Nebraska.

So that's, we get off the highway there

and then we cut up towards Alliance from there.

Right.

That lake seems pretty nice.

I love that big ass bluff you kind of drive,

drive right over.

So everybody would like,

come and go through there,

there'd be like big parties and like,

yeah, yeah.

And, uh, it just kind of take over the campgrounds

and stuff.

That's cool.

And the lake and tourists would kind of leave,

you know what I mean.

So they would kind of do that

on the way to the surges rallies or what?

On the way there and on the way back.

Nice.

You know, they'd come through there.

And, uh, um, that Ogallala, I mean,

it's just a hop, skipping a jump

over the Colorado border.

Yeah.

I-76 cuts off of, uh, 80 and goes to Denver.

Yeah.

And, uh, that used to be called

80S when they first built it.

To the, um,

it's like when you go through Nebraska,

it says the Abraham Lincoln Highway.

Yeah, Lincoln Highway.

Right.

Um, that was part of the original spine

of the interstaces.

Yeah.

See it went like 90 to 80 in Chicago.

And then 80 to 80S there, Ogallala.

And, uh, that went down to Denver.

And then 70 went from Denver to, uh,

was it, uh, St. George?

No, uh,

where it hits to 15, right?

Yeah.

Right.

And the majority of 15 was converted from,

used to be, uh, the 91.

Okay.

The Highway 91.

That was like Vegas's main drag through.

And, uh, then it hit 15 and it went down

and caught 91 into Los Angeles.

That was the original spine of the interstate system.

That was Eisenhower's plan.

Yeah.

Some sections you'll see it says Eisenhower Highway.

Yeah, because it wouldn't, you know,

that, that documentary they did a couple years back,

the 21 Days Around the Sky is when they wrote

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Yeah.

Trying to ride along the, the 80,

like variations of it from San Francisco to Brooklyn

as if it was a hundred year anniversary

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I'm trying to think.

See, you know, I'm going to have to

confess that I've never seen him.

Yeah, it's a good one. It's one of my favorites.

But yeah, it's...

You know, I've been wanting to

dig more into learning some of

more of the Eisenhower stuff.

I do know that it was like World War I.

He went over there. He was in Germany

and saw the Autobahn and wanted to bring

that highway structure kind of back to the States.

Wow, he was in World War I.

Yeah. Okay.

He patented and

MacArthur. Yeah.

We're in World War I,

along with Hitler

and Mussolini.

They were in World War I, too,

but on the other side. Yeah, yeah.

I have a...

I have a relative

that

he always used to say

he fought the First World War.

Right.

Even on the other side.

That he came here

after the war, to America

after the war. Yeah.

That's always funny because he was always...

We always thought he was

a dole-boy war hero. Yeah.

It wasn't. He was

a German.

But that's

the...

Eisenhower, I think he saw World War II.

Okay.

Okay. I believe

you can correct me, but I believe it was World War II

when he saw it. Okay.

And

it was his idea, actually,

most

like

city streets and whatnot,

the lanes are eight and a half feet wide.

Yeah. And the interstate highways,

the lanes are 10 and a half feet wide.

Yeah. And the reason that they wanted

to do that was because Eisenhower

planned was

if they had to get

if we were ever attacked, you had to get

troops of supplies across the country

and they made the lanes

10 and a half feet wide so they could

accommodate. Yeah.

Fast travel back and forth during

a wartime situation

if I have my...

Yeah, that's what I remember, too. Yeah, from then.

But yeah, he saw the autobahn. He saw how

wide it was. Yeah.

How fast people could travel on it.

That was his idea.

So he was the one to push the interstates.

We owe him for all this

connectivity of riding motorcycles

on nice paved roads

everywhere. Yeah. Well, I mean

before that, I mean like

Route 66, which is

you know

interstate 40 now.

Yeah. It follows

and doesn't follow

the original Route 66. Yeah.

Some of them were like

just like huge gravel sections

of roads. Yeah. Mud.

You know

and

when they put the interstate highway system in

and it made it smooth

and it made it so everybody could travel.

So after World War II

everybody got in their

cars that they couldn't get during the war

took off on vacations

and stuff. Yeah. A guy in Chicago

could go to Disneyland. Yeah.

You know, I mean

and take his family and do it

Yeah. But I mean there were

still sections of

of

forties that weren't completed. Yeah.

You know, where you go back down to two lanes again

for a while and

back up again.

But yeah, it made

it easy for us. Yeah.

Can you imagine, I mean like those gals

in the

20s that got on the

the two Harleys. Yeah.

And rode all over the country. And rode all the way to

the west coast. Yeah. By themselves

just the two girls. Yeah. I mean

I was pretty adventurous. Yeah.

In this in this place. Yeah. I mean

it would be adventurous today if

I mean have all amount of

amenities and

you know, pretty reliable motorcycles

and stuff. But it would

even be hard for like two girls

today. You know

and

Yeah. And just think about how much

it was wasn't even

completely developed moving west

in that time. You know what I mean? No.

Because what the AC didn't really like

AC

air conditioning wasn't a thing yet. So

a lot of the cities out west weren't really kind of

like growing as fast as

they did once AC was invented.

Yeah. Well, that was the big thing in Vegas, you know

that the hotels and the

casinos and stuff and at that

time they were real small. Yeah.

To put up there

we have air conditioned

air. Yeah. That was a big drawing

point. And

you know, the hotels when you

were on the road did have

ice cold air conditioning. Yeah.

Then that became a norm and then

it was HBO. We have HBO.

Yeah. Well, first it was we

have colored TV. Oh, there you go.

We have colored TV

and then it was we have HBO.

There you go. And cinemax. Yeah.

Yeah. Because

well that good friend of mine, Terry Nails

he was born

born and raised in Las Vegas.

And

he could tell you everything

that happened in Vegas, how it grew. Yeah.

Yeah. How the 91

was, you know, the main drag

through town and it went all the way down

to LA. See, that's why

yeah

like all the

interstates, the freeways and stuff,

even numbers go east to west and the odd

numbers go north themselves.

Well, when the 91 comes down

and it turns and it goes across

LA.

But it's all, it's not

91 east and 91

west, it's 91 north

and 91 south. Yeah.

Because at one time it was. Yeah.

You know, north and south.

And they just kind of moved

15 over and it just kind of

you know,

went right along Vegas.

But

I've been on almost

almost 70s down there.

Yeah. The desert is not

one of my favorite places, okay.

It doesn't matter when you go through it.

Yeah, it's either hot or cold.

Well,

you know, we

went through one time

in November

and I remember

we got to

I'm trying to think now

and I can't

got how I can remember.

It's got the world's largest surround there.

Baker. Baker. Thank you very much.

Yeah. The gateway to

Death Valley. Yeah.

And it was like 92

when we went through them. Well, wow,

it's pretty cold here. Yeah.

Because usually the temperature is like

115. I went through there

when it was 115 once on a way to

born free one year and

when the temperature like when you would

kind of go peaks and valleys there

if it went from 115

to like 108 you would get chills.

It was still hot but it's like

I would get chills because of the temperature

difference and it's still super hot.

I can't really explain it. I'm not a

scientist. It just you would get like little

chills on your skin and stuff. I've never

noticed that. Are you on the bike? Yeah.

Because you know, completely covered up

because it's like a hair dryer on your skin.

But I remember

the first time I took Steve to Los

Angeles

with me.

He had never been there.

I mean he'd been to Disneyland with his family

but he had never traveled there.

And

we were in Baker

and

he gets off his bike at the fuel stop

and he goes

do you know where we are?

And I said, well, yeah, we're in

Baker. There's the world's

thermometer.

He's going, no. He's going

we're in a Mojave fucking desert.

It was like 108 degrees and he's going

I'm dying here. I can't take it.

He said, I thought my gloves

were going to spontaneously combust.

He was

he was pretty miserable. So I said

calm down, calm down. And I

took him over to TCBY

yogurt. Yeah. Yeah.

I'm down with a glass of water and a yogurt.

We chilled out there for a while.

One time coming back from

Born Free. I think it was Born Free

3.

We stopped in Baker

on the way home. And it was

hot. It was like 115.

Yeah. And

we gassed up

and there was a sports assistant

at one of the pumps.

So Steve wanted to clean

off his windshield

and his headlight.

And there were no papers in this

over here. So he went to walk over there.

And it was some guy playing

in between the gas lines.

But

you better get inside. Yeah.

Yeah. We would like take our shoes off

and dump like soak them with

water. Uh huh.

You know, soak our jackets, our helmet

and it would be dry in

10 minutes on the road. Oh yeah.

Well, that's Fab Kevin's trick

is to soak all your clothes. Yeah.

You know what I mean. And let the

snow evaporation

cool you off. Yeah. That's his way

to cope with that.

I remember going through

see

it caught me at a loss again.

Uh

it's right across the Nevada

border.

Uh

Oh, from Utah? St. George?

No, at the bottom of

you go come down through Arizona

for that little 20

trip from St. George

and it's right there on the

page.

Into Arizona?

No.

It goes through Arizona and says

welcome to Nevada. Cause you're only in

that canyon there for a month. Oh, it's my

Keeman? Keeman

Arizona drops you into that long

100 mile stretch that takes you to

uh, what is it? Boulder City

or something like that where you cross the uh

No, that's not what I'm thinking of

John 15.

It's right when you get across the Nevada

border. Mesquite.

Mesquite, okay. Yeah, I've only ridden

through that spot one time.

And uh, where Mesquite

is when you go through the like the

there's like sheer canyon walls. Yeah, yeah.

So going through there, it's like a

reflector of it. Do you know what I mean?

Not only you get the sun, but you're also getting

the reflection of the rocks. It's

just burgeon.

Burgeon to a crisp.

And uh, that's

that's a miserable

section there.

I don't, I don't know.

And they get snow there during the winter time. Yeah.

Which is kind of hard to believe.

Yeah, I went there once

uh, hell I went

I went to

Vegas in uh, February this year

for a thing with Indian

and they had, they were snow on the mountains

everywhere. I was like, oh shit, it gets. Oh yeah.

You know. Yeah.

Cause that's where my buddy Terry

lives, lives in

Toronto. Yeah. Which is

up in the mountains.

Cause they were gonna, they're gonna

build

this is going through with it.

And I found out last night

it's going to be in

Laughley.

As a Woody's opening up the

Buffalo chip. Oh.

In, in uh.

They're going to try to revive that river run

and try to make something else happen there probably.

I don't know. It's out there. I heard

he bought some land or something in

in Durango too

that they were going to try to like expand some stuff.

You know, I don't know what

the exact thing is. Yeah.

But uh, I was told last

night it was Laughley. That's cool. Cause they had

um,

primitive assets right on interstate

15 says right under California border.

Yeah. And

uh,

they closed up whiskey bills.

The casino there. They closed

up Buffalo bills.

Hotel and casino. And I don't know

if the Prim Valley resorts is still going

or not. But they're going to

build

cause they're out of room. Uh, in McCarran

Field there on Laughley. Yeah. They're out of room.

They can't expand the airport any further. Yeah.

So they're going to put like a satellite airport

there between Prim

and Jean which is the next

next city up north.

They're going to put a satellite

airport in there. Yeah.

And

put a monorail up to

McCarran Field. That's wild. So you can

land down there but you'll wind up in

the airport

in Vegas.

But there's a lot of development going on

down there. And I

it was rumored that they were going to

Woody was going to do it some place

in the southern part of Nevada.

But it's supposed to

be a big deal. Supposed to have a 10,000

seat amphitheater. Supposed to have

a hotel and casino that looks like

an old barn. Oh yeah.

So

I don't know how that's going to go over

but. Yeah. And the chip

is the chip. Okay. Yeah.

You can call you can call

something anything. Yeah.

But you know the Buffalo chip is the

Buffalo chip because it's here. Yeah.

It's sturdish. You know.

And it started out

with

nothing

except for two flatbed

tractor trailer bodies

for a stage.

And that was about it.

And it's grown into what it is today

but I mean it's still the chip. Yeah.

Okay. I don't think you can export

that. Agreed.

Yeah. Well they tried to do that with Fools

Auto a lot too where they were

back in the day when it was all the

TV shows and shit. They were trying

to get the Alveston and all these

other things which I get the marketing

side of it of trying to you know expand

and you know having that brand

recognition or whatever you would call it

but yeah I agree with you. It's like

that's the thing that's here. So if

you were to do something there you kind

of figure out what. It's not the same.

I mean it's called the Buffalo chip

but it's not the Buffalo chip. Yeah. You

would put the Buffalo chip.

Coming to the Buffalo chip Vegas.

It's like they know Buffalo out there.

Well you know I don't know because

like they're closing

like the hard rocks are all closing off

I mean the one in Vegas closed I know

the one in Denver is closed.

We had one in Dallas that closed years ago

and

you know

well your buddy Richard Rollins look at

his success. Yeah it's

that he's. He opened

up a couple bars. Well he

he's had multiple he's had a bar in

Dallas before but it's more like

it's not really his it's kind of like they're just

licensing his name.

Well this is pretty much what it's gonna be. Yeah.

It's gonna be you know. He's

I don't know I've never met the dude a lot

of my friends that I've worked with

in different car automotive

places bike shops have kind of passed

through gas monkey over the years

but he's just

you know Richard seems to be like in his own

world he doesn't really

you know mess with anybody in the city

other than like Rick Fairless or whatever you know.

Well I

one his actually was

an easy riders

yeah a store yeah

and I guess

yeah easy riders store

and those were all

well the iron horse used to be a

easy rider. Oh yeah that's right. Yeah.

And then before that they have one of

those easy rider shops

and cafes at

exit 30 where that

pizza ranch is

they have one there.

Dude do they still have that

easy rider or no it was a Harley Davidson

I'm sorry it was a Harley Davidson spot they had

and like on the new part of the strip of Vegas

where you can go in they had like

a restaurant a Harley Davidson restaurant there

like across from like Caesars

Palace and you know

the Cosmopolitan. Oh I'm not sure

it doesn't even worry about

yes more because I ignored it

yeah no usually

I mean I have friends in Vegas

but if we're traveling

we go

to

Speedway Boulevard. Yeah.

Which is where the you know

Las Vegas Speedway is

you know motor complex

there and

we gas up there we take a little

break and we ride right through Vegas

we don't stop because

I don't do well gambling

yeah I mean I might as well just

ride through Vegas and just throw

money like this

you know I mean it doesn't mean the same amount of

good you know I get the same return

out. Yeah.

But Las Vegas is not a motorcycle

frenzy city. Yeah.

It's

it's really hectic

15 going through

Vegas it's really hectic

and you really got to watch yourself

because there's a lot of people there

from Southern California but there's

also a lot of people there like

this is the same problem with Denver

is it comes from all over the country

yeah and when they come they bring their

driving style. Yeah.

So from Boston they drive like they're in Boston

they're in New York City they

drive like they do in New York City

they're Southern California

you know you can always tell them

because they'll be over in the far left lane

exit comes up they go all the way across

you know what I mean it's a very less

Yeah. No consideration. It's dangerous

and it's even more dangerous at night

than everybody. Yeah.

Which is well I'll tell you

here for this so far

I mean I've seen four accidents

Yeah. You know

since like Thursday

last week. Just riding from out here

on the highway. Yeah out on 90. Yeah.

And

walking around Friday and

then yesterday in town it's

packed. Yeah. There's a lot

of dangerous people out there.

Yeah. There's a lot of scary guys

and gals ride motorcycles.

Yeah I mean sometimes it's the

only time of year they ever ride

out here. Yeah.

And you can tell they're scared as hell around

every corner you know

I got behind

a guy on a trike going into town

and I swear it's

like 40 miles an hour. Yeah.

You know and

even though they dropped the speed limit

at 65, 40

too slow. Yeah. But there's like

from here I really can't

there's no back roads

to take me to town. Yeah you gotta tip on the highway real quick.

Yeah unless I want to take

horse older

road here but then that brings

me out of Fort Meade and

I still have to turn left

and go into town. Yeah.

It's convenient if you're going

out to the chip in that area.

But

you know you just

but I watch these people you know

it's just

it's scary. I always think it's funny

how we all just

you know driving a car

riding a motorcycle we have this like

unsung

or un

we agree to just

all stay in our lane and obviously not everybody

does but it's like

we just trust that everybody's

going to do what they're supposed to do. Well yeah

you know. Yeah and

you know I mean

like

going up

85 from here

back through

Wyoming

a lot of it was

up until a few years ago

a lot of it well it's still

it was too late. Yeah. So I mean there was

a lot of passing going on. Yeah.

And there were a lot of motor

homes and stuff you know and

Christ they'd have 20 bikes

stacked up behind that motor home. Yeah.

I mean trying to get around

it and that but then you got all this traffic

coming this way. Yeah it's miserable.

You know but

I would always

if I didn't feel like going fast you know

if somebody was coming up behind me I'd move

over the far right side of the lane. Yeah.

And let them go up

the lane. Yeah.

That was where the trust came in. Yeah.

I knew if he was in my lane and he was

passing me that he wasn't going to

smash into me and knock his bolt down. Yeah.

You know. I'd be

hard pressed to do that now.

There's a lot of you know

we like to kind of ride fast

and so we try to respectfully go around

people. Yeah.

You know like sometimes just completely

in the other lane if not like we're

going we're passing them because they're on the

outside of the lane in it

you know we're not like zooming past them

we'll give them a wave and thank you and get

through it but there's some guys out there

that you would think that you just ran

them off the road you know they're just

they're doing

they're doing 30 miles

an hour down to 55

because their wife's out there with an

iPad filming everything

and you're just like man I just want to do

the speed limit at least and

then you get to the next stop light and they're losing their shit.

That's all I expect

people to do is

speed limit you know

if it's 45 to 45

65 to 65

you know

that's the other nice thing about Utah

as soon as you cross the border the speed limit goes to 80 miles

Yeah, yeah.

What do you mean Wyoming?

Yeah, yeah.

But in Utah it's the same way.

It is. You haven't been out there in a while.

We have west Texas we have a lot of 85 miles an hour

highways. See I didn't know that.

Yeah.

One of the shows I see on cable in that they go

well we're in Beaver Utah.

Beaver Utah is

about halfway between where

I-70 dead end to 15.

Yeah.

And it's down about

40 miles maybe.

On the 15? Yeah.

But it was a notorious speed trap.

Always. You just knew

and the speed limit dropped

from 75 to 65

in that stretch of 15

and Beaver was

an notorious speed trap.

And I go, guess what?

I go, I got a ticket to Beaver.

Yeah, everybody gets a ticket to Beaver.

And there's no warnings.

But when they raised the speed limit

to 80 miles an hour

there was that.

That record was done.

Have you ever done any of

Highway 50 out there going through Nevada

out of Utah and everything like that?

Like that loneliest highway part?

No, I haven't done that.

I don't want to do that personally.

I kind of like to do it.

Takes you right into what is that

Laughlin, not Laughlin

Virginia City

over there, Carson.

Maybe I'm not thinking of the same one.

I was thinking of the one that ends

in

Interstate 80

in Nevada.

I'll think of it.

Yeah.

I want to say.

Yeah, I think this one's running east and west

and it's like

it was the Pony Express route

originally.

Yeah, they call it the oldest road.

Yeah.

I don't know.

How many gallons you got in that tank?

3.8, 3.9.

So it's a King's 40 tank.

Yeah.

If I'm not high on the RPMs

acting a fool

I get about 140 out of that tank.

That's pretty good.

That's about what

my King's 40 tank

is about.

3.4.

Then

the

2001's 40 tank on the other bike over there

with the flat bottom

and a low tunnel

and a raised filler

I get about 3.8

in that.

It's a little longer.

So you get that extra.

Yeah.

But I think that stretch I sink

is like 120 miles long.

Yeah.

So if you had like a little

wassylpita tank.

You'd have to have like a gallon

of

gas container on the back of your bike

to make it through there.

We were talking about the El Forest arrows before.

Tom Fugel's

way to do it was, if you were going to do

because there's no gas

between

there in

in Utah

there's that one stretch that's like

I can't remember because it's been a while since I've been through there.

But there's that one stretch

in Utah

where there's no gas

and no services or just ran checks.

Yeah.

They've got the big sides up and said this is no bowl.

Last chance for gas.

Yeah.

And Fugel what he said, you know,

in a stretch like that

he just at the last gas stop

he'd buy a

like a gallon or two gallon container

gas

and he'd fill it up and he'd strap it to his sissy bar

and then he'd ride until he ran out of gas

in his tank

and he'd throw the can away.

He said it was cheap

because then he said there were like a pocket of half a piece.

Yeah.

Dude, a gas like a one gallon gas can

is like $25 at a gas station.

They know you need it.

You mean an empty one?

Yeah, that's how they,

it's crazy how that works.

It's like they just want to,

I mean it's convenience, right?

You go buy it at Walmart when you don't need it.

Right there it's, you know,

that's whatever.

You need to

mention the fact that the guy is like five miles

from the gas, right?

And he seems to have got to walk there

he's got to hitchhike

and leave his bike, you know

and

then he gets there, he's got to have a gas can

to go back

and they charge him $25

to get out of here.

It's a racket, man.

Yeah, it's nothing like, you know,

it's all stuck in the

in the mouth strap.

There's a whole line of mice behind him

and it says, when you're in trouble

everybody wants a piece of your ass.

But that's a few moves.

They were like a fucking sport.

Yeah.

That's kind of what I do with camping gear out here.

It's like, you know,

it's muddy, it's all messed up.

I'll run to the Dollar General and get me a pillow

blow up, floaty

air mattress, you know, just like if you're going to go lay out

in a pool or something.

And yeah, when I'm done with it, just leave it there

somebody wants that they can have it.

Well, you're not the old ranger doing that.

Yeah.

Because if you're looking at trash brails and the campgrounds

there's all kinds of cheap pop-ups

Tads stuffed in there, you know

deflated air mattresses.

I mean, I've been in the campgrounds

where, you know, we're packing up the leave

and this guy's out there with his knife stabbing

air mattresses and wound it up with

the trash, so

you're not the only one that does that.

And then

some guys I know they just

they pack enough to get to where they're going

and

they just, they use

old t-shirts, old underwear and stuff, old socks

and they just keep throwing them away.

Yeah.

Stop at the nearest Walmart,

get some more and repeat

on the whole trip.

Yeah, I did that for years and

then it's like

I don't know, you get to a point where I've gotten

to a point where when I ride somewhere I want to be

I want to take

enough stuff

to get me through a handful of days

but then it also makes me stop and chill

do some laundry, you know

kind of reset and stuff like that

you know, they just buy more stuff. Plus I don't

I don't, sometimes I live like

I have a lot of money and I really don't so it's like

I need to be, you know, an underwearing cheapy

$20 for three.

Hey, I don't know.

I just, I

the wife buys the underwear

Yeah, yeah.

She

she feels like I need

a new set, so she'll buy it.

Yeah.

That's how mine has become.

Yeah, so it's that, now

Steve, when we travel

he worked for a place, I'm trying to think of the name of it

in Boulder

that was kind of like an REI

Okay.

Like a Cabela's or REI

It was more like REI, it was Cabela's

but they had all this

backpacking stuff

you know, and his like

this sleeping bag was like this big

you know, but it was good to like

you know, form below

but it was, you know, it packed into

a little, look like a little sausage

you know, same thing with his tent

the same thing, you know

it's a really big pack.

And you don't want to throw those away.

Yeah, they're like 400 bucks.

But he had the employee discount.

But

yeah, that's what

there was a target used to sell this Coleman

tent, it was a

technically it was a four person

tent, it fit two people comfortably

right, but it packed up to about

that size, right?

It was $29.

Wow, that is.

The bottom of a stock saddlebag

or easily on a sissy bar

and I ran those things

for years and I'd get probably

you know, they have a tarp bottom

so the tarp bottoms are the ones that are harder

to kind of pack up because they're so

they don't compress, yeah.

But you want a tarp bottom if you're out somewhere and it rains

and you know what I mean?

Well, yeah, you don't want that soaking through

exactly and then everything is

going to might not be soaking wet

but it's going to be damp.

It's cold and clammy

you know, and it's

sticking to you when you roll over

and it's

like

like I've got the

I bought the cheapy

bike cover

yeah, that's like

17 bucks or something

well, I'm not going to be out

I don't need UV protection, I'm not going to be outside

I just want to cover some of the bikes

when I'm working out here

because the stuff goes all over the

grinding dust and

all that and then it gets on there

and then it gets like sandpaper

you know, anytime you touch it it'll scratch

that's what somebody did to my bike

yesterday, they must have

put something down on

my back fender like a purse or something

you know, and they rummage through it

and they scratch an area about that

that's where

you know, because it's got marks like this

and like this, so I'm thinking of somebody

that should dig it in something

and people don't have any respect to this

yeah

yeah, it's definitely

the other day I was at the

Thunderdome and my buddy

I was helping my buddy with his bike show he's putting on

and I knew most of the bikes there

yeah

and I was standing next to one I had actually painted

but then when I was up there watching him do it

I put my arm on the handlebars of this other bike

which I did not know who that person

was and it was this ladies bike

and she came up really nicely

and said, can you please take your hand off my bike

and I was like

I was taken back by it but I was like

I'm in the wrong

so I'm in the wrong

I thought I was leaning on another bike

I was like, I'm sorry, my bad

but it was kind of like

I was like, yeah, sometimes

it's easy to forget sometimes

it's that way

I shouldn't be doing that because I'm so used to

being around all my friends bikes

well that

my wife wanted to take the

the gal that she takes care of

electric wheelchair

so

she wanted to go downtown

and see the Budweiser Clydesdale

oh yeah

opening ceremony for a week

and she wanted to see the Budweiser Clydesdale

and stuff and for the most part

she said everybody

was really nice

she got her up to the front

of the people

so she could see the parade

because the wheelchair

is not that high

and they moved her up to the front

but then there was this one lady

my wife said just

I could scream at her

you don't belong on Main Street

you're right away

and I thought

let's have a little human

compassion

she's got cerebral palsy

she has to be in the wheelchair

now yesterday I saw a lot of people in the wheelchair

yeah

then I saw a lot of people riding them

little scooters that shouldn't have been riding them

yeah yeah

you see that lady, I forget her name

but she just turned 100 years old

yeah, Gloria

didn't she ride like an FXR back in the day

you know I don't know if she had an FXR

I don't know if she had Soft Tail

Soft Tail, okay

I'm not real familiar with her

but I know she was one of the original motorbies

yeah

probably if I bought her book

I'd probably know the whole history

yeah she was right behind

the Budweiser Clydesdales

in one of those

one of the three wheelies

with the two wheels in the front

and one in the back

and

got 100 years old

she doesn't look like

she's

she doesn't look like she's

capable of taking a long trip

by herself

but up until a few years ago she was still going

that's what I heard, yeah

and

I think one of her goals was

once you reached 102

ride off to California

for some reason

that'd be wild

you would have to ask

we could run up and get

a dance wife

she's a motorbie

but

yeah more power to her

she was out there

at

Motorcycles at Zard

she was out there

she was motivating around in the wheelchair

and she was out there with her

daughter and her granddaughter

they were taking care of her

nice

how long

did you camp out at these events

were you hitting the campgrounds

or did you do a lot of the hotels

or houses

well like I said the first year I spent in the city park

and that was over with the second year

so then we tried

blank home

for a while

and

it was

starting to get rowdy

like to chill

and then we

hooked up with this one guy

that was right at the bottom of Anaheim County

yeah

that

was an older guy and all his kids

well his one daughter

was living in a mobile home

that was on the property

but he had all his property in his big house

and all his kids were gone

she left his daughter in the mobile home

so he would rent out all their bedrooms

oh that's cool

for a while

and then we went to

hug heaven

if we were camping it was at hug heaven

yeah I've always tried to tell people

it's an experience to camp out here

I mean you meet people

yeah the weather can be what it is

but like there's just so much going on

and you don't have to go to bed

if you don't want to you know what I mean

well that

was the thing we like, Glencoe would go 24 hours a day

24 hours a day

like the chick

and the

like the fourth time

that naked Santa Claus

and his naked Mrs. Claus

on his bike is making like the fifth trip

around the circle you know what I mean

screaming and yelling and stuff

that kind of thing

I mean if you want to party

at the party camp

hug heaven

they try, they have some bands

out there but they try

and like shut that

down like about 11 o'clock

you know

their bars will still be open

and you can come and go

but they try

quiet it down about 11

I remember when we were

first out there they used to have guys

in golf carts coming out

and going hey you guys are too loud

you know it's 11 30

too fucking loud

Glencoe

you know it was like the chip

I remember one time walking

with my wife from the concession

stand back to where

the

tent was

and all of a sudden I hear

blam blam blam blam blam I know

that sound you know what I mean

some guys just shooting

and I grabbed her

yanked her down on the ground you know

so that was the last time we stayed

there

I'll get where else should we

I'm missing something here

oh I'll probably

yeah we've camped I've been staying at the

days in for the most part one year I did

I did one night at that camp zero

at Buffalo chip but it's kind of

it's kind of like there's nothing

there you know zero

amenities basically

yeah well it's

I guess they're

thrust is like you know this was

like the old shit yeah

in camp zero yeah

and it's supposed to be like super cheap

so you're not having to pay the hundreds

of dollars to get into the chip to camp there

right but then I don't think

the camp in there doesn't entail

you to go to the couch yeah it doesn't

yeah in that section

yeah I personally

that's I said I like where we stay it's

on the it's right at the corner of the

cell and an 80 so

or 90 and so you can get right on the

highway and go any direction you want

you know you want to go to Deadwood you

don't have to wait through all the surges traffic

to get to there because it's right

there on Ambulance Road yeah

I wouldn't mind camping

in the hill somewhere once

like I haven't done that yet I think

in the last

one that we did didn't I tell you

one time because that's all national

forest going up

14 a yeah

Boulder Canyon

from Sturgis to Deadwood

used to be able to camp along in there

we see them camp yeah I see people getting in there

all the time in camp

usually the racers would chase them out

because the camp is supposed to be

prohibited in there

but when I first came

up here there were a lot of people there

that'd be cool just kind of camping right there in those little canyons

yeah

Dick Allen and his crew

that's where they used to camp

yeah

and

I know I'm missing a

I know we went someplace else

I can't remember

where we where we stayed

yeah

because I know the guy the guy we stayed

with was

right at the bottom

of Van Hocker Canyon

right before you started to go climbing up

yeah this place was right there

so that's easy to get to and from

Sturgis from there you know what I mean

and

that was before they paved

Van Hocker it was gravel

well it was paved up a ways

and then it was gravel

and

he

died

the guy we used to stay with there

rented out the roof yeah

it was super cheap it was like $50

and you get up in the morning he had

donuts and sweet rolls

coffee and that there's something

to get you going in the morning

he's a really nice guy

well he passed away

and his daughter got the whole thing

and then she

met up with this guy

and married him and he had two kids

so they took

the two of the roofs

and then she decided to not

not rent the roof

because she had young kids there

so she decided

to not

let everybody there so that ended

that

trying to remember

I don't know I'm missing one of them

but

mainly we stayed in Hocker

you know I got

friends that wanted to stay

here you know and I had this

I said I tried it last year I said

Saber is just not

tolerating anybody

coming into the house yeah my shepherd

I said he's not tolerating it

and I said you know if I have you guys

stay here I really hated to say this

but I said if I have you guys stay here

I'm going to have to practically be here

like 24 hours a day

because if somebody comes in

at 2 o'clock in the afternoon

and they have to take a poop

they'll be able to get into the house

and you know

showers and all that other stuff

kitchen privileges

it just can't do it

well it seems that your place

as when I got here

as testament to that has been

a savior for a lot of people's motorcycles

over the years you know get in here

you have all the tools to

rebuild the bike 100%

build the bike from scratch

well that's the black one there

I mean that was

I was looking around at it

I got a transmission case

I got a gear set

I got this frame that's been here for like 3 years

front forks

don't have a tank

don't have an engine

a rear wheel at the fender

and all I had to do

was actually add the gas tank

and motor

and the engine

and the bike was finished

yeah

and

that one over there is pretty much the same way too

almost ready

so I'll sell this one and I'll probably keep that one

yeah

so the hardtells ain't kicking your ass

you built right for the hardtells

or what?

no I just

I've got

hard problems

I just don't want to do the hearts not in it

you know what I mean

I'm trying to slow down

I mean I'm retired

but that didn't work out

yeah

and then a lot of the guys

I've done work for in the past

and they want to come back and have me do work again

and I really can't

I really can't signal

because they're loyal people

so

but then I keep taking

he's project

but I hate to turn somebody down

actually if I've known him for a long time

I know him real well

you know

to trust me with their project

and to

like this guy

Mike number 7 I'm going to be building for

yep

so

and besides I got a tight deal

yeah that's pretty cool

I don't know what I'm going to do with that

well like we were saying it's got a lot of good parts

so you can keep it together

or chop it up

and go somewhere else with it

well Bill Meiser was here

he's been eye of that

ever since he's been in here

and he came back and gave it another once over today

so

we'll see what happens there

do you have a couple of people that are interested

in the black one

that would be nice

but I'm not asking a lot of money for it

so

if I break even on the deal

be good

most of my bikes

I like

a lot of people I buy parts all the time

I say oh god the sliders

20 bucks a pair

I don't buy them

and it might be 2 years until I use them

or 40

but

you know

and I stash them away

that's why I say I go oh I have the front

forks for this

springs

and that's how

the bikes aren't built on a junk

but I mean they're good solid parts

but I just happen to have them

yeah

and that makes me

well I don't know

you've been

how many bikes are you putting together now

seriously the one for born free text is this one

it's a 77 shovel head

we're hard telling

so I assume you and Corey

have been ordering a lot of parts

so far I haven't

ordered the only thing I've ordered is wheels

I don't like spoke wheels for traveling

well I don't blame you

so we got some

mags on the way

but when we get back

Corey is more of a wizard

when it comes to

final drive gear and all that stuff

and I want to be able to cruise to stay on the highway if I have to

so

and we're doing

I want to

travel across the country on this bike

I want to get that experience of riding a hardtail

coast to coast

and so I've been

to

have you done it

then I want to do it

but I did it when I was in my

20s and 30s

I'm coming late to the game but I want to be

able to say that I had that experience

I understand

you want to see what it's like

you want to see what people experienced in the past

well there's I think that there's

no shortage of

like you just said

in your 20s and 30s you rode these bikes

and then you progressed up to more comfortable

things right?

I started off on the most comfortable bike they make

so it's like I skipped

what I would say is

the hard part and I

kind of want to be able to go back and experience that

and understand it and give myself

a better

for lack of a better term understanding

of what this culture has always

been about you know and I don't want it to be easy

it's it gets boring

when everything goes

I don't want things to go wrong

but it gets boring when I can just twist a throttle

and do 200 miles

and

not even remember anything I saw

you know have

music in my ears

and I'm not even listening to the road

you know I want I like the other

feeling that's why I don't have any gauges on that bike

that's why there's no there's no information

it's just what's out there you know

it's like we got that

clockwork

teafaring yeah

well it's an RP

but it's a nice kit

because you got the

fairing imprimer

and then Brian gives you the bubble for the headlight

gives you the mounting kit

and it gives you the

flare windshield I think

I believe it's 7 inches

that's a

smoking setup

the only thing you have to buy

is the headlight

the 7 inch headlight

which I have

I've got it in my stash over there

but you have another fairing over there

or is that

what's that RP fairing over there

that's the one that

this one is replacing

replacing that one

if you go over and look at it

smashed up

the thing that I'm

the process I'm doing on my shovel head

I don't know what bars I want

to run I don't know what tank

but I have been

trying to collect

different oil tanks and stuff to see if

if I want that look

if I go with a

a wassel tank then I know that I kind of would rather

have A-pangers on it and if I go with another sporty

style tank I want to want

you know that

this one he wants

to clean his sporty tank on

he wasn't too sure

what handlebars he wanted to run

he got kind of addicted

to the Flanders number two bends

okay

which I'm my favorite handlebar

yeah

and

they watched something different and he came in

when he dropped the stuff off he came in and he saw

the

tracker bars on this and the

medium risers he saw the tracker bars over there

that were a little bit higher

so that's what he wants

get that feeling and stuff

I've been running the T-bars

and motor style bars on all my bikes

for the last you know nine years

and I had an FXR

before

Sturgis last year it was

84 all crusty

but it had these narrow

like 14 inch apes

and I fucking loved riding that bike

you know what I mean just super narrow

you know kind of narrow at the bottom apes

yeah cause

anything else that any apes

put on there that worked

with the 39 millimeter front end

it'd be too wide at the bottom

exactly

you know that would look really stupid

yeah I enjoyed riding that bike around

and the only reason I got rid of it

was because everything I wanted

to do or felt like I needed to do so

it would be mine would have taken away

what that bike was you know what I mean

it was just a perfect

old crusty paint job that was original

blonde motor

you know the whole bike was just a

fucking good one you know

I mean I'm still riding rigid frame bikes

but I mean

you know I went from a frame

mounted seat to the

the air ride yeah the sole

springs to the air ride yeah yeah

like I guess I'm kind of cheating

you know no I

I'll tell you

I'd always put all my bikes

together yeah right

and my ex

was going to put another one together

and she's going you know what she said

instead of

putting another bike together

it's going to take you another year

why don't you just go down to the dealership

and buy one and I want

you know what I mean

I never expected that to come out

of my life

so I wanted to get

a FX lowrider

yeah I shoveled

at the time to shovel

in 1929

I wanted

the FX

Y Glides to just come out

and

I went to the dealerships

and I couldn't find either one

of them

I just didn't have them on the floor

and I went to this one dealership

and they had a 79

electric

like classic that was the

you've seen them there that

I've seen cream special edition

13 spoke wheels

on a mag wheels

and they had the king tour pack on there

and

I've got this one he says

it's got a good price on it

you know it's a 79 it was brand new

and he said it's

$52.95

yeah

for a bagger

and I'm going I don't know

this is a 79 I'm going

I don't know I'm going

well dressers are kind of like for old men

and he goes

you're going to get there eventually anyway

why don't you just circumvent that

and he says go take this out

for a ride this is when

you can go out and ride a Harley-Davidson

test ride it for the dealership

and they wouldn't send a car out after you

you know or you didn't have to put

somebody on the back to ride around with him

and

he said take it out for like an hour

back so I did

and I started out and I'm going God

I hope nobody sees me on this

but the more I rode it

this thing is nice

so that was my first bagger

were they rubber-mounted

motors on that one?

it was the same

four-speed frame as the FX

it was

the FL

but it was the same frame

four-speed frame solid mounted engine

because I think it was like

82 or someone that started going

to the rubber-mount

well that was when it came the FLT

the FLT

the FLT started in 1980

and it was rubber-mounted

ok

and it had the five-speed

transmission

early five-speed

and they were trying to get

because

dual was

in on the design team

Eric dual was in on the design team

for the rubber-mounted frames

for the FXR

and for the FLT

and they weren't quite

done with the development

on the

FXR

and

the design team

knew

because the evolution

project was already going

so

they brought the FLT

out first with the shovel motor

in 1980

and in 82 they brought out the FXR

with the shovel motor

and two years later

they both had evolution motors

84 right?

and

everybody always says wow

if it wasn't for AMF

Harley Davidson

wouldn't have had the evolution motor

wouldn't have had the five-speed

and all it had

you know

what they don't understand is

around that time

AMF was kind of looking around for somebody to take it off

their hands because it didn't turn out to be

the recreational investment

that they thought it was going to be

right?

and

what happened was

they went to Porsche

ok

and had Porsche

do the R&D work

for the NOVA project

ok the four cylinder

water tool

fuel injected

the original FXR

and then Harley Davidson

itself

in-house did the R&D work

on the evolution motor

the AMF didn't pay for both of them

they paid for the

for the NOVA

Harley Davidson

pretty much paid for the

development of the evolution

and AMF got tired of

putting money in the NOVA project

they just

scrapped it

dumped it

and then he had the buyback

in

1982

so

people always say

AMF wasn't for their money

but at that time it wasn't

that developed the evolution

and

I know a bunch of guys

that went and got brand new evolution motors

and put them into rigid frames

it's like don't you have to

basically the evolution motor is taller

so fitting them in the old shovel head frames

you have to raise the whole backbone

the rocker box

the rocker box is higher

and back a little bit further

and

how I put them in the frames

probably different than everybody else

but

I give the down tubes

in the front a two inch stretch

which isn't that much

visually you really can't

you can't really tell

and then for the seat post

I used to

raise the backbone

up a little bit higher in the back

because you're already up

you've already raised the backbone

by going with the two inch stretch

in the down tubes

most of the time what I would do

is make a cut

in the seat post

and bend it back

and put a filler piece of it

so that didn't look out of place

because

like when I got that other bike over there

that was

I got a

roller from Cycle Source

best of show in the 75th

anniversary

and there was a real huge gap

over the top of the motor

I didn't like it at all

brought it back down

yeah I took like three quarters of an inch out of the seat post

I shortened the rear section

I shortened the backbone

I

cut the double down tubes out

put the single down tubes in there

yeah I remember seeing that frame here last year

when did you do all the fab work on that

oh

before I moved up here

yeah I remember seeing the bike

like that frame and stuff here

last year right

when I was in here

it wasn't that was that one

that okay okay yeah

yeah

where did that frame come from

from the same guy that gave me the Titan

oh for real

my Christmas present one year

oh that's awesome

he goes I'm never going to build a project out of this

you could have it

and at that time it was

Anthony owned

I believe it was an orange

Calibrian

chassis design company

and then he sold it

and I guess they weren't too successful

with whoever he sold it to

and then Anthony got back

into it again

in Florida

and that's where you see

10 words now

that's the same company

they're basically the same frame

I mean they even make a frame that's similar to that

for real

but that's where that frame came from

he just brought it in

he picked up one bike I had just finished

he goes here he goes very cursive

I'm never going to use this

with the title and everything

that's awesome

Steve calls them

our number one client

well I mean I've got

a handful of guys that really

they it's almost like they

they invested me right

they like the products that I make

which I'm assuming he likes the products that you make for him

and to them it's like

it's their way of like

supporting an artist you know what I mean

trying to keep them building cool shit

to get what they build

you know and I mean I think that shit's awesome

I mean I have a few guys like that

for me that I'm very thankful for you know

well

like I say a lot of the people that I do

work for are repeat people

they come back over

and over

and

like my wife says she said

you know you never do anything half

fast she said you either do it

or you don't do it

she said no

Mickey Mouse stuff

no paper towels

and the dent in the tank with Bondo over the top

you know what I mean

and she said you will fuss with it until it's

right

Fab Kevin one time said

you know

it was not one of the message boards

he said you know Richard Spicer one of the few bikes

he said that I could roll off his lift

and put gas in it

and he said go to California

and he said not worry about anything

you know that's what I pride myself on

you know

I mean anybody come back

we always had to say when I work for the transit company

anything we're doing once

we're doing over and over again

that's not

cause bad news travels fast

you know

it's like if you look up Yelp Reviews

all the Yelp reviews are people who aren't happy

nobody ever puts up

there jeez I had a great pizza

at this restaurant

you know

it's just the people that put

I was eating this pizza

I thought I was eating the cardboard that was on the bottom

but do you know what it is

good to see on Yelp

so bad news travels real fast

yeah it definitely does

and to that point of using Yelp

or just the internet in general

you fuck over one customer

and everybody in America

that's tapped into this world is going to know about it

and you know

I guess we're all wired

to

go towards like oh what happened

who did what who did who wrong

and we're just wired to it

like we're you know it's like in our

our DNA

to kind of like make sure that that's not a threat to us

or something like that you know what I mean

to find out oh well oh yeah

I don't have anything from that company

you know the two

I mean

to me social media

is a double-edged sword

I mean I didn't grow up with it

I had to word it

and uh

I mean

it's like instant communication

you know what I mean

news travels fast like

you know I'm sure a lot of yedders said

when she died yesterday

I thought that she was 15 minutes

yep it was all over the place

yeah

that's

least of the bad part

is that somebody can just get on there

anonymously or with a made up name

and like shoot through the lip

and ruin somebody's reputation

yeah 100%

you know not true

you know I hate to use the term

fake news because I don't like that term

but yeah anybody can

get on there and say anything

you know use a piece of shit

well a good example

Richard Rollins

a couple days

well I guess it was the middle of the week

before the rally started

he did a video

hey come to

Gas Monkey garage

come and get breakfast

you know like breakfast dishes out there

cause you come here and eat

cause the rest of this food and this town is shit

yeah

and what happened

I think they were gonna get all the

Frankenstein movies with the lynch mob

with the tortures and stuff and the pitchforks

the town just

well that was insulting

it was yeah it's low class

as a bush league move

you don't tear somebody down to build yourself up

you know

he could have said

I have the best food in town

I mean I just leave it like this

but

like all the permanent restaurants

yeah that's

and I don't blame them

yeah agreed

and see they know it's an out of towner

that came in and made the comment

wasn't like it was one of their own

was an out of towner

and that didn't endear

him to a lot of people

but yeah he's still got people there

I mean there's people gonna come in

I mean with this many people coming into town

there's gonna be people that want to go there

get picture taken with him

his autograph on a t-shirt

you know it did

went over like a lead balloon

and bam it was down

yeah

off of Instagram

how social media you've been

for you like being able to connect with people

and stuff since you've been on it

you know

cause you were on the old message boards

like chopper dogs

message boards and then they

probably did was fight with each other

and I thought well they're not serious about doing

stuff

why should I bother to

try and answer the questions

cause somebody's either gonna tell you you're wrong

or you know they're too busy

fighting with each other

here's my edge

come kick my ass

you know

that's like high school chick stuff

and

I was on

not quite a few

but there was a half a dozen message boards

but

it took me

a while to get on facebook

I just didn't want to do it

cause I thought it was like

my space

I thought it was like for junior high girls

you know

and

I got some business from facebook

cause I had a personal page

business page

which are both still up there but I very

rarely go through

instagram was good

for connecting

with people that I hadn't seen for a while

or

business

instagram to me

is good for business

yeah

I don't do tiktok

and I don't do

I don't tweet

on twitter

and I know there's a couple more out there

but I don't do that

it's too much work

I think instagram is a good balance

of like a place that you can show

you can visually

kind of show people what you do

what you've done

there's enough of a way to communicate

as if it was twitter

I don't want to be on

these sites

like

monitoring them constantly

I've got stuff to do

I actually do have a life

um

but

I don't want to be constantly chucking

like 5 or 6 platforms

I'd rather just stick to

I still have my facebook

account but I very rarely

go there

it's like my email

I might go look at my emails once a week

and everybody texts me

and so

I used to have

my website was up until

about 2 years ago

website

and that and my domain

and all that

and I just got rid of them

I just cancelled

and

I'm not paying

so I'd say it was $60 a month

yeah

it helps it adds up

and I can put that into something else

but instagram I like

to see a lot of people that I know

tell you the truth

this is funny I kind of

if I look at my

I make a post I look at the likes

it's like mainly guys in the business

the shops

stuff like that

which

I mean there's a lot of

I ran into a guy yesterday

I've been following you for years on instagram

didn't even recognize

it's the username

and that's the part about it

sometimes it feels very

it's awkward

because

so many people might know who you are

and follow your work but then you don't have the same

connection to them on the other end

so you don't know much of anything about them

no

it's not their fault but it does feel weird

I try to have like that southern hospitality

of trying to be

when someone comes up to me

and says hey man I follow you and all this

hey where are you from

I want to learn about you a little bit now

that way I can put that face to something

but

I

I didn't know who this guy was

didn't recognize his username

but it's okay

at least he stopped me

I followed you for a long time

which I appreciate

I don't want it to sound like

I don't know who this guy is

I don't know

I don't have time for him

I've always got time for people

I try to understand

these celebrities

I can understand

the paparazzi

but fans and stuff

you're in this business

and you're liking like a fish ball

okay

and

actors and things like that

if

you're not relating to the public

you're not going to go see your movie

so I think you all

like that person that comes up

to you in the restaurant and says

Mr. Schwarzenegger

could I get your autograph

certainly most likely

what's your favorite movie

give him a little

interaction

give him back the autograph

thank you I'm going to get back to my meal

there's a way to do that

but some of these

you know

and I think everybody in this

you should be like that

in the business

like you say hey where are you from

I think you should be like that

yeah I mean

this is like the motorcycle

world

to become

well known and it is not that

tall of a mountain

you don't know what you do

so it's a

a lot of people get a taste of like

a form of fame within this space

and it kind of can go their heads in the wrong way

you know

I've always said

that the work

is important to me

okay and my wife

will tell you she'll say I know

when you have been out there in the shop for a couple of days

you're not

like the same person

you're not satisfied

she said

enough leave it to beaver get out there

and cut some metal

no more highway patrol for you

but she's right

she pushes me

because sometimes I just go

you know I've fucked this

I'm tired of this

but

she's a wonderful

but I do enjoy

still enjoy doing the work

and it's the

you know it's like I was out on the

black bike when I started going out on that

for the first time I forgot

how much fun it was

how enjoyable it was

to start out with a

bare chassis on the

lift and

finish it out

to

ride it

safely

because I'm very happy with this bike

because it goes down the road straight to the narrow

yeah you know

and the geometry on it is really nice

you go into a curve all you got to do is

just push down a little bit on the left

bar the coulter steer just a tiny bit

it goes right into it

you know

unless you're looking over here and then you're going right off to the top of the curve

but

you know

we talked about that the other day

well you know a lot of these guys that are riding up here this weekend

they take that

riding rider course and they think that they're ready to go

and the furthest

they've ridden is to

the starbucks or to the Harley dealer for

bike night you know they just

don't actually ride

and then they're going to come up here

and they're going to cut the

black hills

and the black hills

the roads are

challenging let's put it that way

and some of them are

dangerous

you don't know how to

coulter steer which they don't usually teach you

in the

beginner course

and how to shift your weight in that

you can get in trouble real quick

like a lot of people they get

especially the

rider the one running the bike

they get they start looking off at the scenery

and you know and they don't see that

yeah all of a sudden they're in the gravel

yeah yeah you know on the

side of the black top

they're going down into the

or they get into it they try and immediately

get back out on the road

then they're gone

and then they're all they all want to

travel together you know

all six of them that came up here they all

want to be riding like an outlaw club

we all just away from each other

and somebody

something happens somebody goes down

and four other guys plow into

them you know that happened up near

hill city a couple days ago

I think I've seen a lot

of reports come across

like people say you see this one

wreck that happened today and you know

because they report that shit all over facebook

you know what I mean

then they'll have like a ticket

count DWI count

death count all those

type of things out here

well you know the fatalities

I think they go all the way from

like Newcastle

to and then like

the Sundance because it's all Black Hills

you know they call

that the Western Black Hills

towards Sundance and that

area and all that

areas included you know so

somebody gets killed in Sundance

why it gets reported yeah

but then they do have

statistics like you know in Sturgis

and stuff

but

now I like to say this

carry people yeah

they think that they're going to come up here

and then you mix

in the alcohol and a little bit of this

you know

but you're right

they'll be looking like this

and they'll be awesome

or they don't know how to go through a

corner yeah and

they try to stay up and then they

steer instead of counter steer

and they shoot right

off the top of the curve

well they get they come into a corner

and then they start fixating on the other lane

and they just go right for it

you know target fixation

stuff you know I've seen a lot of

them

that

are doing on their motorcycles

what you used to do

when you first learned to ride a bicycle

where you're staring at the wheel

you know

yeah

and then these

these people are like

they're not slaps footed they're like up on your

tippy toes on the bike

and

they just don't go like this

they don't compensate

it's a lot of drops

in gas station parking lots because they can't

maneuver the big old bikes that they're buying

shit like that yeah

and

you know I understand

people having to buy

trikes because they can't hold up

but they still want to ride

that's fine with me

but you got to do the speed limit

at least

that Ford

last year it felt like

every time we went out to go ride we got stuck

behind trikes

because they're hard to get around

like you said there's a pack of them

there's four dudes on trikes

and they're doing needles

and they don't fit through any of this shit

you know

well you know even on

the Black Hills

they've got a mark

that you know

a lot of the routes they've got a mark

that says

degree of difficulty and a little chart over there

and the red ones

are

exceedingly difficult

white ones are super easy

you know and

they're not kidding when they do that

no needles is not

like for beginners

the last three years I've ridden it

I've gone from

basically

like crazy horse side over to

the back end of it

and literally

once you get to the top and you go through the little

you know little slit right there

man I put it in neutral

and I'm going as fast as

neutral let me go down that whole thing to the backside

damn it

just turned the bike off you know

well like I say I don't

think everybody should do 90s through needles

you know

at least do the speed limit

to their pose

I wonder why they don't

I feel like for like

the weekend of like maybe the first weekend

or maybe the second weekend

like each weekend of

Sturgis they shouldn't allow cars

or anything but motorcycles on those two roads

just to eliminate some of the

congestion with the

because it'll be an RV trying to go through there

a lot of motor homes and

you know

the

suburban's pole

camper trailers

yeah that adds to the congestion

well when is it that they

I guess Friday of

like eight

I think all the cars have got to be off

for the rest of the rally

could have the time

oh yeah yeah I know what you mean yeah

well it's like they lowered the speed limits

yeah

you know

91 for 75 to 65

79

went from

65 to 45

35 miles an hour

all along 34

all the way up to the

ship yeah

you know

I

think that's a good idea

yeah you know because of the congestion

and I know

it leaves

slower travel time

but like the state patrol was saying

you're doing 65 from Rapid City to Sturgis

and you're doing

75 from Rapid City to Sturgis

it's like a three

minute difference

yeah

but

you're going to insist on going 40

65 is that weird

if you have like you know a six speed transmission

or

yeah it's like a weird

speed to be at you know it's almost too high

sometimes for fifth gear

I mean it's really not

but you're just kind of running a little higher than you probably want to

and in sixth gear it feels like you're running way too low

so well I know

on my Instagram and on the Facebook

the South Dakota State Patrol has made posts on their

sites

you know here are the speed limits

for the rally

yep and it said

whoever wrote it

I don't know who wrote it

he said

there's a rumor

going around that locals are not going to

get tickets for speeding they're just going to

get tickets for warning because they're used to

going 75 to 80 miles

an hour out there on 90

he said that's wrong

you will get a ticket

there's no pass for a local

yeah yeah that's wild

well Rich we've done it again

another two hours

yeah

I enjoyed it again

I'm glad you stopped by I'm glad you can fit it in

I'm happy about that

yeah man I enjoy talking to you

and you know like your shops

awesome

seeing your projects that you got going on is

super interesting to me and you know

like I said

I have quite a bit in here

yeah you know

you're hard telling this one you got this fresh pan behind you

that's got to get revived and

you know another project on the

on the chopping not necessarily chopping block

but needing to get taken apart

taking apart an honest way

to plating and paint stuff

and then that

Titan debating

whether I want to keep it and turn it into

my sidecar project

but it's definitely

going to be straight down there's a lot of funky stuff on it

I mean this bike could have gone through

six or seven people

do you know what I mean

each one added their

little fuckery to it

alright

at least there's no lamp cord in there

for the headlights so that's it

no stereo speaker wire

for the taillights

and somebody's going to go oh that's good wire

well

it's not automotive grade

yeah so

yeah man

I really do appreciate it man

I'm glad that people really enjoyed the last podcast we did

and you know it was

the YouTube folks really enjoyed that

and you know the stories and the

I don't know how popular

this one's going to be because we kind of

rambled all over the place and we talked about

stuff probably that's a motorcycle

related but

I just happened when you

wanted to do this I went back and I looked at the

views

on the one from last year

I think we're like over 40,000

I couldn't believe it I was like

shocked

I can't think of the rhyme or reason

why certain ones do go

through the roof obviously

there is the aspect of the guest

and they want to hear from the guest but

it's so weird the algorithm stuff

you got to play a weird game with that

they want it posted at certain times

and it's like

the picture is looking for that type of

content

then they lean into it real hard

because right before your episode

I want to say it was

Josh Kerpius the photographer

for Harley and that one did really well as well

I know Josh

he was in that 10 days

10 days

20 days

21 days under the sky

under the sky

Josh was in that

I think I ran into

when did I first meet

Josh

trying to think

he was taking photographs I know that

and then he got the gig with Harley

but we were at

I was at the moon ice Christmas party

in

California

anyway

at one of the speedway

I can't I can't say

but anyways I ran into

Josh there

and he said here

have this guy take our picture

took a picture of me and him

together and he said

why is it every

time I talk to Rich

like I'm being tested

for a chopper quiz

which I thought

was funny

what he meant was

you know

the knowledge was there and he's never heard of it

and I asked him about something

he wouldn't be familiar

with it you know and then I

explained it

but that's what he says why every time

do I talk to Rich

seemed like that minute

but he should go photographer

he's a great photographer

I mean that documentary

and him and the other

gentlemen that were on that ride were very inspirational

to me whenever I saw that it took me a while

to I mean this

shovel head I'm building is my first chopper

it took me a while to get to this point

but I'm

I've always been one that I don't want to jump into things

I want to kind of like understand it in a different way

well of course you're a good guy

I don't know how

every skill set is good

yeah

no doubt

I don't know

some people are

super easy teaching people

oh he's good

the knowledge is there

but they can't project it

yeah

well I think it'd be different

if I was like hey I've never done this before

at all

so teach me from scratch

but I've always said this

even when people ask me about paint stuff

I'm like it's a lot easier to give you

the nuggets of information that connect

the strain that it is to give you the whole thing

so

if you come to me and you say hey man

every time I'm trying to pallet my brush to pinstripe

it does this

and I'm like do you do this

right here he goes no I haven't tried that

what does that do well it does this and this

bam this whole I fix that gap

for you and now things roll smooth

that's kind of what it is with Corey is like

on the hardtail we did together

you know I

got it I figured it out but now I feel like

I need to go fuck around by myself

and fuck some things up and then come

and ask the questions

well yeah because you bring it

you say well what happened here

yeah

and a skilled person can say oh

okay

you need to bump up on the gas

yeah

slow down

turn the amperage up

and then try that

and then you do it

and you say oh yeah

okay or you go well

it's like what you're saying you know you ask 20

painters about it

something and they'll give you 20 different answers

the same thing with TIG

it's not absolute like

painting is not absolute

you ask 20 TIG welders

and they'll give you 20 different answers

so you have to shift through all that

and figure out what works for you

well the way I see it with Corey

is you know he has a skill set

and he does it in a very

simple fashion

he prefers to use the most

simplistic of tools

angle grinders, cut off wheels, welder

he does have a lathe and a mill

and to me it's like

it's interesting

because it shows me that

some of this stuff is achievable

with like basic stuff that I actually already have

yeah you know

and that opens a big

world of possibilities

in itself

and I don't know man

I just have all the bikes

I've been riding and customizing

over the years

you know I try to

stay true to my desires

and I haven't really ever

had this desire to want to do stuff

but when I got into choppers

and surrounded myself with different people

that had these skill sets

I'm like man I want to be able to

hold my own in this group

or on these bikes or whatever the case may be

you know

I mean

if you look around here and I mean

I don't have

you know

I don't have a lathe that's working right now

I don't have a mill

I don't have a lot of things

but there's a lot of stuff

that I have

but I like to

I get what I need done

well

with a minimum of

tools

and anybody can do that

everybody

always says you ought to write a book

you ought to write a book

and I always tell

them

well you know get a whole publisher

and tell them to call me

you know Steve knows everything

that I know

and his people's champ bike

we cruise it out

I mean

Steven Secagel

Steve Brauels

he said you know he said

Steve's bike is so nice

he said it's really nice

he said but

he looked at the bike and he said I could see you

yeah

and I go I didn't do the work

he says no but I still see you

yeah

that's what happens with

I'm sure that as I

evolve in my skill set in the fabrication

side of things there's going to be a lot of

Corey aesthetic

and element to it because that's my teacher

and it's only as I

progress in the process of learning

and being taught

to get comfortable with the skills

and apply my vision to the thing

and then it'll evolve into my own personal shit

and it might have inspirations from you

and other individuals

in this space

you'll have

something from Corey

on how he did

what how he accomplished what

you accomplished alright

and you might go into somebody else's shop

or see another bike

and look at the same

you go well this

this must have been a process

but wait a second

this is not exactly

the same

so then you talk to the person

and you try it yourself

and you might say

Corey's was good but this is like awesome

and that's how it goes

it's like anything like painting

100% yeah

I mean the paint for me

is

there are still things that I need to learn

in that space there's things I want to get better at

but there's not a lot

there's not as much

mystery in that space

as there is in the fabrication world for me

well I first started welding

I mean that was like

fucking black magic voodoo

you know what I mean

you're melding steel

fusing it together

and I thought that was like part of the black arts

when I first started

because there was so foreign to me

yeah

and

same way with the paint

when I started doing that

that was

about the same way

I thought that was all for me

yeah

I mean this is my opinion

but there's just something to

older bikes

or just

whether it's these old FXRs

or old dyna

there's just something to them where it feels like

they're less of a commodity

and more of like

a keepsake

there's something else there

it's not just a material possession

you know what I mean

well I'm like all for fuel injection

you know

ABS brakes

it seems like that

but they're all controlled by computers

you know what I mean

it's like

the new Harley

might as well be like an electric toothbrush

you know what I mean

turn it on, you turn it on

toothbrush does everything

scrubs

whatever

it's the same way with

I hate to say it doesn't have the soul

but I mean

you're

attached but you're

detached

you turn the key and it

starts up and it runs

what I feel like it does is that

it numbs a lot of the

parts of the ride

that people would complain about

normally but I feel like

when you truly love this stuff

that you actually look forward to that

you know like there's no way

there's nothing

we all want our ass to feel

a little bit better no matter if it's a hardtail

or anything we all want to feel better

but it's never gonna fucking feel perfect

right and so chasing that perfection

I mean I guess that's how

we've always got the advancements we've got

but you know like there's

no one really knows how to

work on their bike anymore no one knows how to

well they can't unless they want to go out

buy a $1500 scanner

yeah exactly

if they're that cheap anymore

you might not be able to get them from

I remember I think Scandalize

is real like a thousand dollars when Harley

started to put a lot of stuff in it

I think they were

you know I think the snap

on one that was compatible with it was

about a grand yeah but

that's the thing you see you hook all this

shit up and you look at it and it says code

23 or whatever and you say

oh okay

23 is a fuel pump

for the pack act

yeah isn't it

you don't have to diagnose it

yeah you say why does

this thing run like shit

you know and you delve into it

well the next way it's going to be

AI you just hit a button on your screen

and say hey what's wrong with you and it

puts a prompt out lets you know what's

going on with it

I don't know

I'm not buying one okay

yeah there's a care if I

have a screen or not yeah

I'm in a love hate relationship

with it where it's

I wrote

any model

baggers that I enjoyed traveling

those things I had a 23

low rider ST loved it

but right now where my

mind is and where my challenges are

is like learning these

things to apply to

you know I've ridden all over the country right and

I've done it on the baggers on the ST

even this back right here

how do I keep making

the ride to California

feel new and fresh and different

you got to change the bike you got to change things on the bike

you know

well when I got my first

my

86 I traded the

79 in on an 86

electric bike and

I

wanted it because it had

it was the evolution motor

you know and it had

gauges and it

had a nice seat it had a good suspension

you know what I mean

but

it's not like

a rigid frame bike

it was nice

and

you know that's what everybody always used to say

all while you know if you're in a car

or a truck or whatever

you know like unattached from the road

you know you ride the bike

you're like in

in the scene

instead of going through the scene

but I think

the newer Harleys

more and more

detach you from

what's going on

and I can understand the appeal

of building

because I've had them both

but I mean building just the bare bones

well that's why a lot of the

guys that were

over the last like eight years that were kind of like

some of the driving force of the

performance bagger kind of push

a lot of those guys

that have started to want to build

older FXRs or even

I've seen a couple of them

getting their hands on some old CFL

frames

and

they're all kind of going to this place

where it's kind of like I am

I have had really cool modern bikes

but now I want to have a bike

where it's not the same

as everybody else's that's passing me on the road

you know I mean

you drive up and down 90 right here

400 bikes

that look exactly the same with the same

accessories

and that's completely cool for that

that's the general population

is going to be like that

but when your whole life is motorcycling

customizing and stuff like that

it doesn't cut it for me to have what everybody else has

I want to have something that's representative

of my

well you want to have something

I think my whole point was you want to have something that you're involved with

both mechanically and spiritually

that makes sense

we used to get in there

and you'd go yeah

but

that's

I think is to go

on more and more

divorce is the Holy Spirit

but see that

I don't even know what

mainstream magazines

all of the magazines are out there

I mean is Cycle World

do they still print it

do they still print Cycle

I think the only thing that's out there now is Hot Bike has come back

yeah

and then

DICE magazine is still good but that's more of a

niche magazine

and I think that Cycle Source is the

only other one

well I as far as

across the street there's usually riders

gets turned around here

with the new owner

and

what I was trying to say was that

well take any magazine

okay

you don't make any money on the news

yeah you lose money

on subscriptions

you don't make any money on the news

to speak of

cause a lot of that gets eaten up

in the distribution

costs

so magazines

are

advertising driven

yeah

but yet they'll use

the subscription numbers

to sell it

how good a magazine is

yeah I mean

the back end of a magazine

like compared to like we

I mean

everything is advertisement based

everything

so the podcast or youtube channels

or social media influencers

about advertising right

the thing is like with the digital side of things

we can show

potential sponsors

way more of the numbers

than the magazines can

but

there's a thing that the magazines do

to those that are willing to take a chance

and read one of the articles

and I think that nowadays in age

I think more people are looking for something different

than just swiping up on their phone a lot

of people want to get away from that

I've seen uptick in people buying books

motorcycle related books

and I think

more people should start making more books

I mean that's my goal is to make some books

you know there was that big push

you know print is dead

okay everything is digital

everything is online, everything is on your phone

your ipad whatever

and

it's like

vinyl records

vinyl records just made a huge comeback

there's a lot of

things, a lot of music being

printed on vinyl again

alright

and you know the same thing

with they say print is dead

but print is always going to be there

but

with the magazine like I say

they're mainly

advertising

revenue driven

magazine

like you said well a lot of guys are going for

the performance bagger and they're looking for

older FXR

they're looking for a CFL free

and

a lot of it

and it always has been

it's steered by the

editorial content okay

so let me see

we're starting to drop down on our

advertising

so what we're going to do

is the next issue

they say

performance FXR is the next big thing

and he said that's going to be

our push then we're going to bring them

advertisers in

because we're going to put a few of their products on our bike

and then we're going to bring those advertisers in

and then when they see the ads

they're going oh that's where I can get that

yeah see

and then when they start to get down a little bit

then it got to come up with the next big thing

like

rigid short wheel based chopper

okay or

performance baggers

all of a sudden they went boom

who would have thought you wanted

a hot rod bagger

right who would have ever thought that

a lot of people out there wouldn't

even have thought about it

they wouldn't have thought about taking the 16 inch

wheels up a bagger and put

18's or 17's

or a front wheel is big

but that's not a performance bagger

well I think a lot of the big wheel stuff

helped us

like the big wheel thing was never as big

in like California

as it was obviously in Phoenix

Texas Midwest things like that

Texas of Florida

yeah big time

and so you have

you have a lot of people like my age

that were riding those bikes that were comfortable being on

baggers and then we kind of got into

dinas and then all of a sudden

hey what if I just take these

bars and stick them on the bagger and I can have

what I was used to so I feel like

on this side of the country you saw a lot more people

go from the big wheel

to the performance bagger because it was kind

of a lateral move as far as

the type of bike they're on

true but then again it was

different way different obviously

the opposite and it was for a while

until like you say everybody going down the

highways get the same thing yeah in

2019 when there's

there was a meetup where all of

us that were kind of into it met up at

the Starbucks in

Deadwood and you know

to this day some of my best friends that

have all we all had these type of

bikes you can almost count on this this

these two hands the people that had T-bars

on their bikes here yeah and then

the next year it was like man they're

seeing passing by and then 2020

2021 now it's everywhere which

I genuinely love

I love the fact that I got to be a part

of something in the early days and it's become a mainstream

thing but because of

that it just kind of you know like

I've had my seven years on these type of

bikes and I'm kind of bored with it and I

want to try some other shit now you know

why it's funny when you say that because

you know that's kind of the joke

is that

you better not wear that at the born free

just next year like everybody's going to be

wearing yeah yeah I mean that's

that's what happens well it kind of

happened with my chopper you know like

when I did this bike

I

I paid homage to the

two individuals that inspired me to do this

bike Al Emerson

and Scott

out there in the Bay Area

he has that that old

chopper what is it um

Paco frame with the tank that says Frisco

on the side of it

old chopper dog dude you know

Scott yeah

Scott

I'll say it was last name

but he

cool bike it is

and I got to sit in his shop over there

in Oakland see the bike

in person do the podcast with

them and photograph it as well

but to me it's like I spent the

time paying homage to that those two guys

because those two bikes they built

inspired me

and I feel like

the uptick in FXR choppers

definitely came after the wave

of what we did on this bike

a couple years ago yeah because

I'm thinking it was hot bike

that Scott's bike was featured in

yeah but Scott's bike was built back in

2012

true yeah I mean it might have been featured

way back then

but it's a

really good picture of him sitting at the top

of the hill in San Francisco

with the bike in front of him

it's the one man full face helmet

and the shield the simpson and all that

stuff and that photo is

iconic to me if I could get my hands on

that or get a print of that it would hang it in my house

somewhere well that's great photographic

composition you know the lighting

was just right the views

and gaps of field everything

yeah I don't

know who took that photo

yeah

you know that's why I always say

you know with your shot he makes

your bike look way better than it is

I'm telling you I don't know how he

does it but I think it's the lighting

or the you know

I want to

find

I needed pictures of

oh when I was going

in the museum I needed pictures of the chrome nun

yeah

and I didn't have any that I really felt that

the committee should get

as a representative of the bike

so

I want to

look at your site and you can go into his archives

and you know see

the bike she shot

right and it

I guess it's got like a quick view

and it says

see full

not file

but something see full

images on my thing yeah

and so you click on that

and

that chrome nun had like

250 pictures

that were all on file there in the archives

yeah you know so I can pick out some really good ones

that's good

and Mike says I don't care how you use them as long

as you don't crop my name off the bottom

of the photo yeah

I said oh I wouldn't do that

it's yours

yeah but he said no you can go ahead

do that yeah you know

he said and he posted that line

if you want he said but I just don't want

he said like a lot of guys do is

crop my name off the bottom

of the photograph

because the photo

he takes are his property

you know it's his intellectual

intellectual

property you know

I don't know have you ever done submissions to magazines

a long time ago

yeah that's how I had to get into the

space you know right so

like you shoot like a hundred images

you narrow it down to twenty

you send those to the magazine

they pick out seven

yeah and

you back the rest or they throw them out

yeah yeah right but

those seven that they pick they hold

those yeah because they're buying them

from you yeah the others

that they didn't choose

still are your property

yeah still are your property

so you can do whatever you want to

so you could just sell

the hot bike and then take the

pictures they didn't use and

sell them the freeway magazine in France

you know perfectly

perfectly as a goal

perfectly legit

and that's how Richard's done it

for years and stuff so yeah

well I guess that's about it huh

it was a good one man

you think so? I think so

alright I appreciate it Rich

alright we'll see you again

in the 86th

are you sure? I'm coming every year

well I'm gonna be here

I might not be able to hurry but you can yell through the window

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