Is Hocevar & Heim NASCAR's Next Great Rivalry?

Is Hocevar & Heim NASCAR's Next Great Rivalry? The Dale Jr. Download · Jun 26, 2026

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Term

throttle wapping

It means the driver briefly taps the gas over and over. It’s usually done to make the engine sound cool and to hype up the fans while the car is moving slowly.

Term

road course

A road course is a track with lots of turns, more like regular roads than a simple oval. It changes how drivers brake and steer compared to oval races.

Term

parade lap

A parade lap is when a driver goes around the track slowly after the race, mostly to celebrate and wave to fans. It’s not about racing fast—it's about the moment.

Term

turn seven

Turn seven is just the name of a specific corner on the track. Drivers talk about corners by number so everyone knows exactly which part of the course they mean.

Term

waterslide decals

Waterslide decals are like the stickers you soak in water, then slide onto a surface. NASCAR uses them to put sponsor logos and graphics onto the car without painting every detail by hand.

Term

Tampa printing

“Tampa printing” is a specific way to print car graphics so they look right and line up. In this context, it’s used to put markings on the windshield area using machines that handle different colors.

Term

V six

A V6 is an engine with six cylinders arranged in a V shape. It’s a common engine type, and in a race car it influences how the car makes power and fits under the hood.

Place

Charlotte

They mean the NASCAR track in Charlotte, North Carolina. Track conditions there can strongly affect how the cars handle.

Term

completely sideways

“Completely sideways” means the car slides so its front isn’t pointed where it’s going. That usually happens when the tires lose grip, and the driver has to correct it quickly.

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the bumps

“The bumps” are rough spots on the race track. When a car hits them, it can get jolted and lose grip, which can make it slide or spin.

Term

pit

A pit stop is when a race car pulls into the pit area to get serviced. Teams use it to change tires, refuel, or make adjustments, and doing it at the right time can help the driver race better.

Term

In NASCAR and other stock-car racing, fuel management is about using the available fuel efficiently to avoid running out before the next pit stop. Saving fuel can also influence how aggressively a driver can push while still meeting race strategy.

Concept

higher mental bandwidth

It means the driver can handle a lot of tasks and information at the same time. In a race, that helps them make better decisions while also staying focused on driving.

Term

springs

Springs are part of the suspension that help the car absorb bumps and stay stable. In racing, teams can change spring settings to make the car handle better in turns and over rough track.

Term

move the bar

This sounds like a team shorthand for tweaking a suspension adjustment. The goal is to change how the car leans and grips in corners so it drives the way the driver wants.

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We had the meets.

Is it time for the winner segment?

Speaking of rivalries.

That's a good transition.

Hang on, let me ask you one thing.

After the race, so leading into this, 67 restart, are we going to restart, right?

Leading, 45 gets bias.

Driving the chicane, 67 rolls the center a lot quicker than you do, gets in the back

heavy and spins out, right?

You drive back to 19th after spinning out.

After the race, we're always on guard when stuff happens, right?

Like I'm on channel too, like Dan's our car chief, CJ all the guys, let me, hey, be at

the car because I don't know what's going to happen, or hey, watch this guy because

I'm not sure what's going to happen.

I'm standing on the roof, and I don't see you, and I don't see you, and I don't see

you.

There goes the 67, so I'm like, okay, well he didn't go by the 67.

What took you so long to get back to pit road after the race?

So I crossed the line, I kind of took my helmet off, took my gloves off, and everything, and

I just went really slow, and I just enjoyed the views.

I was like, throttle wapping at fans and waving at them and everything, because

a lot of them were cheering and they were probably like, yeah, firstly let's finish

on a road course.

Congrats.

Oh, I'm sure they do that.

But no, I was just like, going super slow, like I was like, we're not going

to come back here, or a good shot of not ever experiencing this, and I was just really happy

with my performance and everything.

I felt like we did a really, really good job on the car and direction, so I was really

content with, and we went back forward, like we ran down the pack and then passed some

more cars to get some more spots.

So I just went really slow and got to embrace it with fans, and I looked like a parade lap

on a local night, like I was waving, and I was like, hey, you know, throttle wapping.

They probably thought you won the race.

No, seriously.

I was like, yeah, I was joking.

I was like, man, I was not robbed of victory, but the fans were, they were going to see

the greatest celebration of all time, because somebody asked me, they're like, what happens

if you win?

What do you get to do when you win?

And I was like, number one, I was like, bro, of course, I'm not winning, but I was like,

dude, if I do win, I tell you exactly what I'm doing.

I'm going to roll over to turn seven, and I know exactly where a gap is.

I'm going to stop my car, I'm going to roll out, I'm going to run over towards the aircraft

carrier, and I'm going to go jump in the water, and I'm going to have a Navy guy come get

me out, and then I'm just going to just try to go find the aircraft carrier or I'll go

try and, I wanted to go drive.

I knew exactly where a gap was.

I was like, man, what if I went into the center of the military base?

Pass the guys what they are.

No, no, not pass a dammit.

No, no, on turn seven, no, turn five, where the buildings were, and you could turn left.

Where the bus was.

No, you could turn left where the hangars were and stuff.

I was just wanting to turn left and just go see what was around there, and I was just

going to go do a burnout there.

I was just like, I'm just going to go do a burnout in a random spot on this racetrack

that they wouldn't expect me to just go do a burnout.

I was just going to do it right in the middle of the racetrack, and do it, I mean, I probably

got, like, they would have not been thrilled about me.

They probably wouldn't have had cameras there, but somebody with an iPhone would have saw

it.

They would have been pumped.

So that's where I was like, you know, that's why I just came around and I was like, I was

not robbed.

Yeah.

The industry was.

But it was going to be, but no, I was just really happy with my performance, how fast

we were, everything that I was just like, you know, I kind of like had the talk pre restart

to to myself of just like, I don't know, for whatever reason, like I wasn't like, I was

just like, you know, this is all gravy.

This is all house money, you know, just, you know, whether, you know, late last restart

of the day, we're leading the race at a road course.

Not really on strategy.

You know, a little bit on strategy, but we went, you know, the strategy got us from third

to first.

Yeah.

All right.

Well, I'll call it not strategy.

Strategy plus a good car.

Strategy plus a good car, the whole deal.

But no, I was, but that's why I was really slow, as I, you know, had my helmet off and

everything.

Soaking it in.

Do you think we're going to fight?

I'm not necessarily.

I mean, the way, the way you didn't say anything on the radio after it happened, I knew you're

okay.

No, I mean, I felt like that was, I felt like that was four years coming ish.

Yeah.

And I was like, all right, fair.

Yeah.

Have you had a conversation with him at all?

Yeah. Denny said you asked for his number.

I did.

He didn't know what happened.

I did.

No, I was wondering that.

Yeah.

He said on his show that he, he thought you're just going to congratulate.

Then he saw what happened.

He's like, oh, I had no idea.

No, no, I'm, I mean, obviously he, he is very good.

And I'm looking forward to racing his ass off for, you know, 20 years.

But like, I don't know, I do enjoy racing him.

Like, like on the truck side, like I remember Texas, I like looked down

Pit Road to look at the tri-con trucks and like I looked over and I was like, I

wanted to see who was in the one this week.

And I was like, ah, it's not high.

I was like, OK, we'll win this week.

No problem.

Yeah, I think we can beat him, but like, it's just like, it's, you know,

it's going to be probably between me and him.

Or yeah, I think the tri-con trucks are probably the best trucks, but he's

definitely by far the best at like taking advantage of him and everything.

For sure.

So, but no, I was, but also to like, I probably would have been more like, damn

it, you know, other places, but like road course, I was like, I was just happy.

I was fast.

Yeah, I'm just, I was just happy.

I was enjoying it and everything.

And I was just in a good spot that week and everything.

But I was, I was just pumped that we were fast.

That was ultimately the goal.

Yeah.

Good weekend on the 77.

It was great.

Yeah.

I was happy about it.

You know, we're fifth in practice, got stage points, whole shebang.

Almost got SVG in qualifying.

I know.

If I didn't miss the chicane, I overdrove the chicane.

At least she both did it.

Like if you're not, they, so he did it too.

So that's what made me feel at least somewhat better too, is that he did it too.

Like he wasn't thrilled with his lap.

So I was like, okay, well, like I'm not thrilled with my lap, but neither is he.

Yeah.

So if he is his best lap, it would have been better than mine.

So I'm like, I'm deserving second.

Yeah, deserving second.

But I mean, it was good.

So you, you were going to talk to him today, but he's out West so unavailable.

So will you reach out to him or?

No, well, I mean, I was excited to do the interview.

I was excited.

I was excited to do the winter segment here, but you know, they must not have

cell service in California.

Can't call in.

Time zones.

Times out of time zones.

So it's eight or nine o'clock there.

It's early.

Um, whatever.

I mean, I had, I had a good few questions.

Yeah.

I was ready to go.

I was going to ask him when his next cup race was.

I was excited.

Go racing.

What?

Yeah.

No, I just didn't know.

I was like, I bet he's on, I wonder if he's on the entry list.

He might be in the truck race.

He wasn't on the entry list.

There is no truck race this week.

No.

Wilkesboro be the next one.

When is his next cup race?

Chicago, Chicago, two weeks is calling me now.

Hold on.

Hello.

Brother, are you talking about right now?

Uh, you're on the air right now because like I'm, we're recording right now.

Oh, well, that's even better.

Yeah.

Or do I need to call envy the link?

Oh, hit the link.

They're, they're, they're saying hit, hit the link so they could get, you know,

they, they want to be able to put you in the thumbnail.

All right.

It's the same guy I'm coming.

All right.

Pause.

What a guy.

Well, so he calls me on every podcast that he like does and everything.

And guest appearances.

So he called me, well, he does his podcast at like seven AM.

So like Dale does his like 88 30, maybe it's a dad.

Cletus does it at like seven and whatever.

And so legitimately the Monday after towel day, he calls me and he's like, I don't

know why I didn't answer.

Like, bro, I'm like, I'm in bed.

Uh, so then the next week drivers, that's why, well, I know, I know.

But like, so the next week he calls me and like, it wakes me up, but like, I was,

I look over and he's like, you know, I was like, Cletus McFarland calling.

And I was like, ah, I didn't answer last week.

I got an answer.

So I swipe and I go, I go, man, he's just like, what are you doing?

I was like, uh, uh, I'm up, man.

Or he's like, are you up?

I'm up.

What are you doing?

And I like do this with my eyes.

Like as I'm waking up, I look around and I'm like, what am I doing?

I don't know.

I'm just up and I die laughing going back.

But like, I a hundred percent just woke up.

I had no idea.

I had no idea that I was in a daze.

Cletus, do you hear us?

Yeah, I, I got you.

You got me?

Yeah, I got you.

Well, so you call me all the time on the podcast and I'm here.

Uh, I got Tyler green.

He's filling in for TJ majors.

I'm Dale, Dale junior this week.

I just figured I would call you, uh, did you watch San Diego?

Absolutely.

What, what do you think of the street courses?

Would you be able to put, would you be better at drifting around the street

courses or driving a NASCAR around it?

Brother, I think I'd do good at a street course, you know, it's a little more my

style, so all these guys have perfected turning left.

So I think I'd have a little bit more even.

So I weirdly enough feel like I'm way better at the street courses than I am

the road, regular road courses, because I have defined limitations of where I got to go.

Yeah, you can only go to the outside wall on the inside wall.

Uh huh.

I don't know.

I just feel like it's more basic.

Plus chaos.

Let's drive in chaos.

Yeah.

I mean, well, you're just, you're a natural winner.

You know, your Carson freaking host of bars.

So obviously, you know, how much that makes a lot of sense, but I do agree.

And, you know, I started out in road course racing versus, you know, this

turning left in an oval situation turns out way more complicated than it looks.

So I like the idea of just here's, here's where you got to go.

And I'm, I can hit an apex, you know, I can't necessarily run the

groove on the perfect spot.

I tell you what, there's less pit stops in, in road course racing.

Let's, let's green flag entries for you.

That could be very helpful in my case.

That's so good.

Uh, uh, that's pretty much all I had for you, brother.

Uh, what's next race?

I think next year we'll find out.

What's next race for you?

Caledega, you know, our track, our spot.

I'll be at Dega in the Nice truck.

Oh yeah.

There you go.

Nice truck.

And they almost had a shot to win that.

I know, I was pumped.

I was pumped too.

It's looking good.

All right, brother.

Well, thanks for jumping on real quick.

Uh, that's all I had to worry about, but you have a great, I had to keep up a

great work.

Thank you.

Keep being a winner.

I'm going to try.

I'm going to, I'm going to keep it up.

I have a question, Dave, are you okay with Reddick just giving back the spot?

I don't like it, I'll be honest.

I, I think it is a very Tyler Reddick move.

I think he, that's his character in a nutshell.

If I have to give you my honest opinion, 99% of the field, which is say,

I'll apologize later, but that's, I mean, that's who Tyler Reddick is.

And he wants to race fair.

And, you know, I think he, when, when Corey was behind him and Corey chose not

to touch him, um, he felt the need to pay that back.

And, and I think what he felt is though, and again, I'm trying to play

psychologist here, but you know what?

If, if I'm good enough to win, I'll just pass him back.

You know, you got a rookie here that's only got a few races.

Surely if I can just put pressure on him, maybe he'll make a mistake.

And I'm just going to get him back eventually.

So I'll give it up.

I, I, I, he was ahead of me before I did him dirty.

So I'm going to put him back where he was, where he belonged.

And, and you know, it's interesting things like that happened throughout

the field all the time, the, the people don't know it.

And the TV doesn't tell the entire picture.

Like Michael McDowell came over to me after the race.

He's like, God, man, I hate to put you in that bad spot and turn five.

He's like, I hope you saw that.

Like, you know, two corners later gave me the spot right back.

You know what I mean?

So like, which impeded his progress that he was making at the time.

But he was like, eh, I just, he's like, I just didn't feel good about it.

And he gave me the spot back.

So that's, that's, that's the right way to race.

And, and this too, this was very much a race between Tyler and Corey at this time.

The third place is 10 seconds back.

So by Tyler letting him go, he's not affecting his, his, you know,

positioning phone, a third, whatever it may be, it's just those two guys.

One on one, uh, some other drivers in the field, we thought this was going to be

an SVG day through and through, but he ends this one in the garage.

You know, this is kind of like, this is, this is the, what the field needs to

beat him is he's just going to have, and let me just say this, if it's based off

of speed and all that stuff, he's, he's, he would win every time.

But in NASCAR, sometimes you get unlucky and he got unlucky today.

And I've been frankly very surprised.

He's not been caught up in something in other races, but I think he's just

been so damn fast at the other races is in control of it.

He'll flip a stage and still be so fast that he makes it back into the top 10

field pits, he cycles back to the lead.

So it, this is like the only way to beat him.

You know, and it's not intentional, you know, Austin Hill overcooked, he overcooked

turn one, um, you know, I kind of watched it.

It's all where he drove into, got on the brakes hard, got, you know, just up

the racetrack in the Connor.

Talk about a nightmare year, by the way, freaking Connor, right?

Sucks for him.

Um, I'm a big Connor fan, but it's, uh, he has just had just some luck and some

learning curve year.

It's just not been good all around, but, you know, an SVG was just wrong

place, wrong time and just, you know, got bitten by the unlucky wrong place, wrong

time NASCAR bug.

So, um, you know, take me, take me from beginning to end in terms of either

someone brings you a program that's going to happen or a car, the host ever

win and the process and steps that that needs to happen in that timeframe.

Okay.

They are, they are a little different.

So when we're reacting truly to what's happened right, right then.

And then the car, it can be very, very planned out.

So, um, touch on the race win very briefly.

Um, so essentially we have a photographer that travels to every single

race, um, as a company that, that takes photos for others as well.

Um, their job is once that car goes through victory lane, they take

rotations of that car art and they send it to us by Sunday night, typically,

unless there's some uniqueness to the win, uh, which we've had with monster.

We have some restrictions on what we can produce.

Um, so that, that's a little bit different, but generally speaking, by Sunday

night, that car is out and available for sale.

We create item numbers, depending on what happens, what track, what sponsor, what

driver, um, we put that out to our customers.

So when I say our customers, the NASCAR.com's of the world are the teams of

the war, you know, the NASCAR Hall of Fame, anybody who sells that cast.

And then we also put it up on our site and we immediately begin accumulating orders.

Um, I'll pause there on a normal car.

What will happen is we will get car art from the team.

Um, the timing of that depends on what we've kind of touched on.

Does the sponsor want to hold it back?

Is, are they willing to work kind of in the background?

When can we release the sales sheet?

But essentially what happens is we get this, we get a piece of car art, we then

have to transfer that car art onto our template.

Our template then wraps onto the wireframe, which allows us to create a 3D,

which is what you see on sales sheets or what you see online.

Um, we establish item numbers for it.

It goes through a approval process.

Um, so to make any car, we've got multiple licenses involved.

We've got, uh, the team, which usually represents the driver team sponsor,

although in historic and stuff like that, there, there could be multiple players in

that space, um, we have a license with Goodyear that, that's an automatic.

We have a license with NASCAR, who has to approve it.

And we have a license with whichever the OEM is.

Um, and so the OEMs typically have given us pre-approval rights, um, based on,

because they're really approving the marks on the car and the body of the car.

NASCAR goes through and approves it and make sure everything, all their

marks are in place.

And then the team is obviously checking for the driver team and the sponsor side.

So once the artwork is put on to our template and is put into that 3D rotated,

that, uh, view, that gets sent off, gets approved.

Once we get approval, that gets uploaded to the factory.

The factory then transfers it to, um, uh, essentially a decal supplier.

So, um, if you've ever done modeling, which we now have a whole category of models,

um, there are the waterslide decals, the kind of slimy little waterslide decals.

Yeah.

Um, that's essentially how we decorate the majority of these cars.

Um, and so a 24 scale will have roughly 18 different parts and pieces.

So there's like the headlight area.

There's the hood area.

There's the roof flap and somebody like the, the roof, when it gets put down is an

entire decal that somebody takes an exacto knife and traces the, um, traces the flaps.

And that's how every single car, every single car.

So what part of these are automated or hand touched and done?

The deco is completely, I mean,

it uses machines like it for, so for the marks on the windshields,

that's a process we call Tampa printing.

Um, it basically, each station has a different color.

So, uh, now they have multiple machines that do multiple colors.

So like you can hit like the black bar and then the white of the name on one

machine, but somebody is taking that windshield, putting it onto a piece,

it slides down, hits multiple times and then puts it into the finish tray and

then takes the next one.

And so, you know, but the, the body of the car is decorated by hand through

these waterslide decals.

Um, primarily, uh, there's, there's, there are exceptions.

Certain colors are better to be done through Tampa printing.

Uh, the metallics have to be done as a separate decal.

So if we have a metallic number of car, which, uh, I think we've had over there.

Um, so that has to be done through a separate decal.

But, but basically after we've, we've put the sales sheet out, we've tabulated

the orders, we've placed the PO's, the cars then get scheduled.

So from PO to, to, to time they're ready to ship is eight to 10 weeks.

It then goes in its package, which there's a whole other workflow for the package.

Yeah.

For approvals of all of that has to come together at the time we have finished

goods, uh, gets on a container, gets loaded here.

Um, yeah.

And then we ship it out.

So it's, it is, it is a very exhaustive process.

And so minimal, what can you do minimally in amount of time to make something happen?

For real production, um, like if you just had everyone's cooperation along the way

and yeah, I mean, you got at least, of course you got an air freight or something.

But yeah, air, air freight would be in.

So you're, you're at, uh, I mean, you're four, yeah, four months.

And at, and in most cases where it's probably a six or eight month process.

Closer to six.

Yeah, yeah.

There are windows, you know, the other thing we contend with is, um, and people

have heard us talk about this Chinese new year, Chinese new year is a holiday

that moves around because it's the lunar new year.

And, um, so it, it has about a three to four week impact on the factories.

Workers start leaving early.

They're gone for the, the holiday, then they, they trickle back.

Um, so, you know, that affects things and it, it falls right around our

Super Bowl, which is Daytona, right?

So it always makes it really challenging.

Very challenging.

Um, yeah.

You know, some, some years it's early, late this year.

Actually, it was like almost right on Daytona, which was nice because you've

got all that time to work up to the, the big race.

Um, so yeah, there's, there's all these factors that are kind of happening.

Capacity, peak season, we're at a toy factory, right?

So we're now entering peak season, which means there's a higher demand for workers.

So we might have had a slightly better schedule going into this time of year.

And now it's going to elongate by a week or two weeks for, for these things.

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Ray, when did you kind of know that Jeff Gordon was going to be somebody or

be a star early on?

First time ever some drive, right?

So the first time ever some drive live, um, I used to watch him on Thursday night

thunder cause he was like, I was like, this kid is before you were born.

He was, I was looking something.

I, I, um, I'm actually going to drive a midget in D tomorrow for the BC 39

advertisement thing, but I got the fire suit out and I was like, my fire

suit's older than you know, some of us, but yeah, you wait, it better be approved.

It's, I have those.

My old Iraq fire suit is, you know, I think it's like 10 years or something.

Right.

That's a lot of, yeah.

This is from the, from 1980, 1987.

So, um, Andy Petrie, Andy Petrie was doing a program at that time,

Leo Jackson's son-in-law, and they said, Hey, we, and uh, Phil and Steve

Markdal, and they said, will you come down and help us with this kid?

Cause I had left Iraq and I was trying to run all my own stuff.

I was building cars and trying to race and all that.

And, uh, we came down to Charlotte.

So that would have been 90, 1990.

And, uh, we had one car, right?

Um, and it was a Buck Baker school car, a Pontiac with a Chevrolet V six.

And it's, we didn't have the Buick powerful motor eight tires and wheels had

borrowed everything and, uh, Chuck bound was there and he was a reigning

champion at that time.

And, uh, we got at Charlotte, you know, that, they got to observe Jeff to, to,

you know, uh, say he's approved for the race.

And, uh, I said, Chuck, will you just check this car out?

And so he goes out and drives around and goes, no, it's okay.

Good for the kid, you know, talked to him a little bit.

And so Jeff gets in the car and, uh, I don't think anything of it.

I climb up on top of the, the hauler, the radio's on.

You sit in there, he's like, just sitting there.

And I'm like, and his hand goes out the window and he goes, he, he motions, you

know, come down, I go down the ladder.

I was like, what's up?

He goes, how do you start this?

So, you know, we go, uh, whatever, whatever, but he went out, I guess what

I'm saying is he went out and then I think it was less than five laps.

Maybe it was more than five laps.

I don't know, but regardless, he was running about a 10th of a second faster

than what Chuck bound had run with the car.

And he got in the bumps.

Remember the bumps used to be low at Charlotte.

Got in the bumps, gets completely sideways, just straightens the thing out, keeps

going.

I said, Hey man, um, come on in here.

Let's talk.

And he comes in, I go, you all right?

He goes, yeah, I'm all right.

Are you all right?

You know, like, I said, we can't keep doing that.

You know, it'll be, you can't, you know, or you won't be all right.

You know, and, uh, he just was so good all day long, but his, you know, talking

about Corey Heim, Jeff's maturity inside the car was like a different person

outside the car.

He's breakdancing, playing with a Game Boy.

He, I mean, he didn't, but inside the car, yeah, a Game Boy.

Um, but you know, I almost bought a Game Boy Lego set yesterday to make all this

stuff from the nineties.

It's popular.

But it's coming back.

I'm not bringing back low rise jeans though.

But he, well, look, I'll, I'll tell you a story about it.

He used to tuck his shirt in those long jeans.

I still bust him about that, but his ability, you know, through my years at

Iraq, the one thing that I've learned, the great champions have an ability to

take describing the car to another level.

And you've worked with people, you know what I'm talking about, right?

And they, they go another level in description of what they're feeling or

what the car's doing.

And you're like, whoa, this kid is, he, I knew he was his ability to drive the

car and then describe what it was doing.

Like things like, Hey, when I go in the corner, I feel like the weight rolls

over to here and then it's in the right front.

And then as I'm getting to the gas, I feel honestly, like the left rear is

driving, does this thing got a locker in it?

You know, stuff like that, you know, and I'm like, he's never run Charlotte

before and going probably faster than he's gone or, you know, in that

midget and boom, boom, boom, he, he was the same way when he first drove with

me. It's just, you're like, there's, it's just a different level.

They've got a different dimension in what they feel.

I watched the clip on Tony last night.

I don't know what show it was on, but he described some things.

It's like, I wish all these kids would listen to this.

I got to go find it and post it, but it's a, post it on what?

I don't know.

I could tell my guy to post it.

But yeah, it's, again, the select few have that know all these things that can

then pick these cars apart and do the things that need to be done.

I mean, Kyle Arsons.

Yeah, another one of those guys.

Ones that fit, fit in there.

You know, it's...

Well, again, going back to that slowing the game down, like a second to you and

me is one thing, a second to them is much different, much different.

You know, like, I mean, I drove, I don't know if you drove much, but you know,

the point is I'm driving around there and all I care about is not wrecking, right?

You know, like...

Well, mostly because it was your car and you couldn't afford to put it back together in

the beginning.

But the ability to do that and think and describe isn't that difference.

And Roger Penske has a good saying about, hey, they look out of a bigger windshield.

And that's really what it's about.

You know, like Jeff used to be able to think about positioning on the racetrack and getting

ready to pit and saving fuel and doing all those things at the same time, leading those races.

I call it higher mental bandwidth.

In sports car, I've gotten to work with some gentlemen drivers and a lot of very high level

pros.

And within the first five minutes on the radio, I can tell you who's who, even if you haven't

told me anything about it, just because they're so good at describing every little piece.

And it goes back to your process discussion too.

As a mechanic on pit lane, if I'm listening to a driver describing this, this and this,

I start thinking in my head already, all right, we're probably going to have to move

the bar.

We might have to get these springs or do this or that.

Yeah, it kind of almost makes everybody better because you kind of already know what's coming.

And makes your car faster.

You got to have those top level people to do that.

Yeah.

That's such an it.

Like I'm just thinking about where we started with that and then where it ended in just the

whole breakdown of how far into it.

You're ready to go back racing?

No, I'm not.

I'm saying like I'm genuinely interested in the breakdown of it all.

Am I done racing?

You're done.

I guess.

I'm like Tom Brady retired is what I call it.

You are not Tom Brady.

I'm semi retired.

You want to go run a midget tomorrow?

Yeah.

I'll call Doug Bowles and say, hey.

Tell him I'll do it.

Yeah.

My fire suits SFI approved too.

I'm like there's probably at this rate.

I think I just brought that out because I know if it's Spark hits, it'll just go pooch.

Oh yeah, it'll disappear.

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