Is the new Ferrari 849 Testarossa worthy of the name? | The Car Podcast #54
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Hola y bienvenidos al episodio 54 del podcast de la carácter con Chris Harris y amigos.
Es loco tenerlo con ustedes.
Tenemos mucho que discutir.
Vamos a empezar con...
Ok.
Vamos a empezar con algo que Ferrari se llama,
creo que es el mejor de los 849.
En el caso de que no se llama también el Testerosa.
El 849 Testerosa.
Ahora, algo que ha sido un pánchup en el grupo de WhatsApp entre nosotros todos.
Manish tiene grandes visiones en esta carácter
y creo que puede ser contado por alguien más dentro del grupo.
Así que voy a empezar con Chris Cooper.
¿Por qué se llama el 849?
El 8 cilindro es el 490cc aparte.
Sí, puedes decir que estoy capturado por esta historia.
No.
Yo no voy a comprar una de estas
porque es solo otra carácter de Ferrari.
Y el... ¿Qué es el SF90?
Así que este es otro girl del SF90.
¿Qué es esto?
Yo supongo que es mi principal...
Puede ser Chris.
Estamos un poco arruinados sobre el F80.
Cuando se primero apareció.
Instintamente y instintivamente cuando veo esta cosa
no recuerdo la forma en la que hice el F80,
que es cuando veo la versión de Lego.
Voy a preferir la versión de Lego.
No recuerdo sobre este Testerosa así.
Pero aún no recuerdo... ¿Dónde está el F80?
No es un F80, no es un 290.
¿Qué es esto?
El lado objetivo de mi corazón dice
que hay que comprar más cosas.
El SF90 ha hecho su bit.
No se va a comprar más de esas.
Esa es la versión que haces.
Se va a tener que comprar algo.
Se llama el Testerosa.
Es como si me cuidé lo suficiente.
Me diría que se siente que han desaparecido.
Se siente un nombre de Ferrari que significa
muchas cosas a muchas personas.
Y esto no se siente realmente lo cierto.
¿Es su momento con Capri?
Yo diría que debería ser un poco malo
de que se veen asociados con...
...esos finos.
Pero parece una forma de tiempo.
¿No?
¿Qué piensas sobre cómo se ve?
No me necesita a mí, quien coge una face fata y otros estados similares.
No necesita a alguien como mí para darles consejos sobre lo que se parece.
Clothes cubren mi cuerpo.
Me siento que el cariño es diferente, pero creo que parece...
Es bastante un cuerpo.
Se parece que tiene esas cosas con los platos en el dedo, ¿no?
Un poco de pate pie, las cosas wingas.
Me siento que Niel y Manish se sientan muy fuerte sobre esto.
Suspecto negativamente.
No siento...
Tal vez siento...
Diferentemente, porque no siento...
Tal vez no siento muy fuerte sobre esto, es lo peor que se siente.
Pero no siento muy fuerte sobre esto de manera.
Si me asesoré a un frío super duro, probablemente no sería ese.
Pero sé por qué se ha hecho esto.
Se siente que se ha movido más de la cara.
Se siente que se ha enfocado en esto.
No se siente.
Antes de los dos jostladores, que están jostlando por mi screen,
se han quedado jostlados...
Voy a poner un poco aquí.
Así que...
Nunca, nunca...
...judge lo que podría ser el estilo de jostlador.
No lo sabes.
Tengo que pensar más en el término.
Yo era en el presunto de un 612 Scallietti.
Un caro que, cuando fue lanzado,
fue mucho más controversial que esto.
La gente pensaba que Ferrari había perdido la mierda.
Pero era el 612 Scallietti,
que se ha agregado hermosamente.
Es un diseño elegante
y se siente perfectamente en el diseño de Ferrari.
¿Qué piensan de la primera 365 GT4?
¿Qué piensan de la primera que se supiera que se se açıló?
¿Qué piensan de la primera persona?
¿Qué piensan de la primera?
¿Qué piensan de la primera persona?
¿Qué piensan de la primera persona?
¿Qué piensan de la primera vez?
¿Qué piensan de la primera vez?
No se me pues se declared,
que es una cosa,
que se está grabando.
At mí me dieron la mayoría.
Y siempre conseguí que si te diera una persona
una persona que no se tava en tu casa.
Así que, de hecho, respeto todo eso.
Solo tengo un problema con eso.
Testarosa, para una generación entera de personas,
significa estrellas al lado.
¿Dónde están las estrellas?
Ok.
Testarosa tiene que tener estrellas al lado.
No me importa nada más.
No me importa si es el duro, el duro, el duro,
y todo el tipo de cosas.
Pero no hay estrellas al lado de eso,
así que no es el Testarosa para mí.
Es un 8, 4, 9.
Ahora, mi mano...
2.
Manich está rompiendo los bitos.
Voy a estrellar para Neil Clifford.
¡Bruh! Es una discusión brillante.
Solo necesitamos un tema de esta semana.
Puede estar ahí en 25 minutos.
¿Sabes qué? No...
No lo amo.
Pero...
He pensado muy difícil sobre esto,
porque es...
En Chris, te has tocado en un punto,
es difícil de judging cosas inmediatamente.
Esto es una compañía de carro.
Esto es un barco.
Esto es un negocio.
Es uno de los más sucesivos,
si no los más sucesivos,
compañías que básicamente existen
en el lado digital,
en el lado de Apple, Google,
Microsoft.
El IPO 10 años atrás,
$10 billones,
creo que algo así.
La compañía ahora es de $85 billones.
Son solo 15,000 caras.
Eso es la cantidad de caras
que Land Rover no ha hecho
en las últimas semanas.
¿Sabes lo que significa?
Son unos caras de $70,000 a $80,000.
Esto es un negocio genial.
Y, por lo menos,
mejor contra ellos
para acusarles de ser...
estupido,
o acusarles de hacer un peor juicio.
Creo que es muy risco.
Es como decir,
¡Oh, Apple!
Es todo todo.
¡No quiero volver!
¿Sabes lo que significa?
Creo que es un peor peor.
Porque esto es un negocio genial.
Probablemente,
si no,
es el más fuerte mercado en el mundo.
Es definitivamente el top 3.
Así que...
y por lo menos,
pensé sobre eso.
No puedo, no puedo,
porque no me gusta la idea
de la Testerosa.
Para mí, la Testerosa
debería tener 12 cilindros.
Para mí,
debería tener los sonidos.
Se debería tener...
o sea, tal vez tiene un red en su vehículo.
Creo que es mejor verlo en un SF90.
Sí, creo que sí.
Creo que es un elemento de SP3.
Sí, creo que es.
Es un elemento de 12 cilindros
en el F80,
que, en realidad,
ves un 12 cilindro en el rojo.
Es f*****,
parece genial,
en realidad,
incluso que era un poco sinical
sobre ese Daytona,
ese Daytona Front.
En realidad,
parece muy bueno.
Y por lo menos,
por lo que cuando empiezas a concluir esto,
creo que,
Ferrari,
solo hay que concluir,
en mi vista,
que son geniosos
en crear
y diseñar vehículos
para la generación apropiada
de la que el vehículo es lanzado.
Y creo que
no me dieron nada
de nada más,
porque soy 58,
soy viejo.
Su radar,
su radar laser
sobre dónde su consumidor es,
está en el lugar suave,
donde el dinero es,
tan clave,
es por lo que Jaggy se ha f*****gado,
porque se ha seguido todos
a la semestría.
Y creo que Ferrari,
lo más que piensas sobre esto,
porque me pregunté a mi hijo,
y él dice,
¿Has visto esa nueva Ferrari?
¡Se ve fantástico!
Así que, creo que,
son mucho mejoros
que los que les damos crédito.
Me preguntaría
el nombre de la testera,
pero tal vez es solo marketing,
tal vez somos todos los viejos.
Si tuvieras un Daytona nuevo,
así que ahora
eres 80 años,
y cuando escribiste un cheque
en 71
para un hermoso Daytona,
y lo has hecho desde Egum,
y, ya sabes,
tu had read trousers on
or whatever you were at that point,
I bet you,
when that 288 GTO came out,
you went,
oh, what a f*****g disaster?
What have they done to Ferrari?
Yeah.
So I think it's very dangerous
for us to sort of judge things
in the context of where we are
in our life,
because Ferrari has moved on.
Every 10 years or every model,
they are talking to
the 30 year olds now,
with that time.
Just what you're saying,
because I don't disagree with anything you said.
Is it,
is your,
is your description there
because you think people are reacting to it
because of the way that it looks?
I think it's all about looks.
Is the, is the, is the, is the,
is the, the internet chatter.
I mean, go on to the Ferrari
and go on to the Ferrari Instagram.
I mean, it's,
or Top Gear Instagram,
or go, there's a lot of chatter,
mainly 80% negative.
About how it looks.
Yeah.
About how it looks.
I actually think,
I mean,
look,
there's not,
you can't even put a fucking sandwich box in the car.
Right.
There's no luggage space whatsoever.
So even if you want to take your sandwiches to work,
you've got to like have a trailer.
So there's some sort of practical issues
with that car.
And I also think you can debate
whether what's the difference between,
you know,
do you really going to spend 600 grand on that?
Why not get a 296?
But you know, it is a V8.
And if you've got loads of money
and it's going to be rarer.
And it's, you know,
it's going to open you.
It's going to give you a Willy Wonka badge
to get the next, you know,
icon, icon, icon a car.
So there's all strats.
15,000 cars
and they make 1.2 billion dollars.
This is,
this is a machine of absolute genius.
So for us,
for us to instinctively say,
oh, I don't really like it
because I wish it looked like a La Ferrari.
That's fucking 10 years ago.
They're talking to...
I don't think anybody's saying that.
Am I hearing what Manish says?
But I don't, I don't, I think it...
That's some...
So I'm not prejudging.
I'm not prejudging Manish.
Manish, over to you.
I just think that's a load of nonsense, Neil.
I really do.
I am, I am judging the car.
I'm not 30.
If you want to get 30 year old onto the podcast
to talk about how brilliant it is,
we can do that.
The bottom line is,
if you read my terrible joys,
which Enzo Ferrari wrote,
I think the demographics of Ferrari ownership
may have shifted a little bit,
but he said,
the typical man who buys my car
is a 50 year old
who sold his company
and wants to feel young again.
I think that's a direct quote.
Now I have a feeling,
unless...
That's Martin now.
That's not Ferrari.
Maybe, but Jaguar,
maybe Jaguar,
maybe what they were feeling
was that there is this
breed of 30 year old tech wizard
that they're going to build cars for.
I'm not one of those.
I'm not going to judge it,
like, as if I was sort of,
you know,
as if I was, what's his name?
Mr. Google.
What is his name?
I'm having the phasic moment.
There's plenty of Mr.Googles.
Yeah, but, you know,
I'm not going to judge it like a tech wizard.
I mean, I'm in my 50s.
I'm looking at it.
There's basically been a direct line
as far as I can see, aesthetically,
between the kind of 296,
the 12 cylinder, the F80 and now
the Testerosa.
They've decided to go for the sort of black roof,
red or whatever, a coloured body.
They've decided to go with this funny
Cylon stripe at the top.
They've decided to integrate this.
And on the F, on the 12 cylinder,
that kind of very strange,
reverse T black wedge at the back.
I think this has got sort of
slightly odd elements of the 250 LM,
which a 296 has.
It's got very straight vertical air intakes.
They've decided what's black.
I think it's a mess.
I think it's a styling mess.
And I think there's a very subtle difference,
actually, between...
I want to talk to you about it, the 458.
A lot of people didn't absolutely love that at the beginning
because it made you feel tense.
There were lots of lines in it that were unresolved.
This is, for me, it's just a really, really...
It's a style pudding.
And it is the new statement.
And you may well be right.
As a genius business,
they may know exactly the kind of person
who wants to buy this car.
But it isn't me.
And it will never be me.
And I think it's funny...
It's not my point, really.
I don't disagree with you
on a lot of the styling comments,
be it that I think it actually
looks a lot better than SF90.
Yeah, I think...
And I think...
My point is, it's not designed for us.
It's designed for a new consumer
that they are smart enough to know.
And this is surely the question isn't sort of like...
I mean, for me, anyway, it's discussed.
It's discussed the car, not...
A brand, or what the...
You know, the strategy isn't...
You know, maybe they've got it exactly right.
I don't know, but it's a really problematical car.
And I've just found more modern Ferraris
less and less attractive.
And I watched Chris's video on the FAT.
And it didn't convert me to its aesthetics.
But I think Chris made a very valid point,
which was that seemed to be...
This idea that you can hybridize a racing car
and kind of just about make it work for the road.
Chris's big point in that was when he drove it around town.
He just thought, Jesus,
this car drives really well around town.
There's no compromise here.
And then you stuck it on the circuit at Mugello
and there was certainly no compromise there.
So I totally get it.
But I think Ferraris, for 99.9% of us
who can't get anywhere near
and will never ever get anywhere near the limit
of effectively a thousand horsepower road car,
it's all about how they look.
It's all about how they look.
And I think that is a very, very problematical design.
And I think it comes after two other
very problematical designs.
I think the 296, has it grown on me?
It's grown on me maybe a little bit,
but they are making some really clear points on this,
especially that black stripe, the black roof.
And the backs of these cars,
they're making some big points
saying, this is a Ferrari.
And that's, I'm 58.
I'm not 28, I'm not 38, I'm not 48.
I don't see me ever buying a car like that.
It just, you know, someone said it to me
in Milan this week.
They said, the thing about Ferraris,
they seem to be looking at Lamborghinis
when they design them.
And I think the point, he wasn't being complimentary.
He was pointing out that, you know,
when they did the JD Power Survey or whatever,
and they said that for under 30-year-olds,
the Lamborghini was the car.
That's what they said.
I think it was, five years ago, they did a study
and it was the popular car for the under 30-year-olds
and Lamborghini, not a Ferrari.
Maybe Ferrari have been swayed by that.
And you're probably right.
They've got more idea of their demographics,
the people they sell to,
and what their people want.
But I'm just looking at it.
I think it's a mess.
Sorry.
We're gonna park the 849 Testerosa there,
just for a while.
Just to let things cool down a bit.
No, I think it's a great debate.
It's a great debate.
I'm not saying I love the car.
I'm saying it's not aimed at me.
I think you need to spot my sarcasm.
No, obviously I did.
But I think it's a good question from Mr. Cooper.
I often think I sit back and think to myself,
this is a half million pound car basic.
It's probably 650,000,
by the time you get it on the road.
Because the 12-cylinder I drove last week,
the 530 on the road, sterling.
Wow.
In the UK, the sales of those cars have collapsed.
So this 15,000 figure I'm starting to worry about
for them going forward,
because I think there's a lot of markets
that are really struggling.
But I bet you if we all got on a plane now,
went to Dubai more,
we would see lots of people in their 30s
getting into cars of this type.
So I think it's Middle East
and California America
that is the driving force of sales for these cars now.
And that's whichever part of the demographic
in those two locations they can sell to
is where they're going to go.
China is meaningless to them now.
It's about the Middle East and it's about America.
Well, sorry, North America, that's it.
It's my answer to that question.
I was suggesting Chris
that actually Ferrari is acting like a business.
I think they know what they're doing.
And I also think the one aspect of this
we've not talked about, I think,
is that quietly Ferrari has completely
and utterly altered the model life cycle.
Hegemony, it's taken that and just thrown it in the bin.
You know, a 355 was on sale for what, six years?
Yes.
The 430 was on sale for God knows how many years.
They had long lifespans sports cars.
Now a sports car might be on sale
for three years if it's Ferrari,
but really it's on sale for 18 months.
After 18 months, if you'd ordered an SF90,
walked in to try and buy one,
they're probably going to struggle to make you one.
And I think this is where Ferrari is incredibly clever.
It's a big gamble.
It might come unstuck, but the gamble is,
yes, we might look like we're devaluing your brand.
We might look like we're making too many cars,
but we stopped making it.
By the time we were all saying
they're not going to sell this SF90,
they stopped selling it anyway.
Yeah, it's a good business model.
It's very clever.
I think they're genius.
They're genius.
Yeah.
I agree with Manish on one thing.
The difficulty here is making cars
that instantly look like Ferraris.
So for me, the only failure,
really in the current model line that was the Roma,
which has never looked like a Ferrari to me.
But the others sort of do,
I'd probably go out to Ferrari.
I think if I stuck a photo of that under a friend's nose
who didn't know what much about cars,
they'd go, it's probably Ferrari, isn't it?
So yeah, there's a lot to be said for it.
It's quite SP3.
It's quite SP3.
Under the heading of what is not a Ferrari.
The other weekend when I sort of toured around
the supercar in Poria in Hatfield,
there was a Ferrari Portofino in front of the dealership.
That is nothing like what a Ferrari looks like.
And while that is still somewhere in your canon
of work in recent memory,
you can do a lot of stuff and still think,
no, you look like a Ferrari.
That looks like something horrible,
bastard, you know,
something that Chevrolet would have dismissed.
He doesn't want to do that.
Even we couldn't do that.
So no, I think...
Can I say something really harsh
about the Portofino?
Now, you may have realized.
Do you know occasionally you'd see people
that had done a tuner car on a Mercedes SL,
and you'd look underneath and you'd go,
I can't stop seeing the SL
in the shape of the windscreen
and where it meets the door.
The Portofino's got that sort of...
It just looks like someone's modified another car.
Just isn't it?
Anyhow, I think for...
All I'll say is,
I wish it had side-strakes.
I know the SP3 has side-strakes.
The irony is, the Daytona's got strakes
and the Tesla also hasn't.
That is a bit mixed up for me.
Yes, yeah, that's true.
I think no manclature matters.
There's another T-shirt design.
Right, so let's move on.
What we've done in cars this week,
quite a lot it turns out for everyone.
Neil Clifford, you can start.
You've done an awful lot in cars this week.
I have.
I don't know when the week starts.
We separately went to
a really lovely event in Italy,
end of last week,
called Tottobene,
which was this...
I'm going to Cop Hill this weekend
in Buckinghamshire, a hill climb,
where it's fundamentally amazing old blokes
with dirty fingernails and beards
eating pies.
And it's brilliant.
And this is completely the opposite end of the scale
from a hill climb perspective,
because it's just all beautiful and Italian
and wonderful and stylish.
So I was there for 24 hours,
saw Mr. Harris,
had a lovely dinner in a garden
and lots of splendid things.
And then I went to Revival.
I went to Revival for two days,
Saturday, Sunday.
And, of course,
I'm going to say it's brilliant,
because it's because it,
you know, my wife came with me Saturday,
bless her, and it was muddy
and it was raining and there was drama.
And I got stuck in the mud trying to get out.
And there was a force scene.
Sorry, can you can you just tell us
which car you're in
when you got stuck in the pub, please?
It was a Rolls Royce Phantom 7.
Ideal car with the conditions.
Oh, no.
You know what?
You know, use them or lose them.
And, and, but.
And, and bless my wife,
because I adore and she's like, darling,
I don't want to come every year
because, you know, it's always the same.
And I'm like, well, that is the fucking.
That's why I go.
It's just why I go
because it's always great
and there's always spitfires in the air
and there's everyone dressed up
and there's amazing cars
and beautiful people driving
and lots of proper racing.
And Lord March does a fabulous job
and it's all, it's all, it's all great.
It's had two days at revival
and then I had a flat battery
in my BMW today
and spent about three hours at work
trying to figure out how to get it started.
So I've done lots of, I've done lots of things
and it's all been bloody wonderful.
Let me pad out a bit of that.
So Neil had a 599 Italy,
which is, you might have seen a couple of photos of it in here,
that reminded me how great the value car that is.
I tell you what, we talk about the new Ferraris
and the price point they've reached.
It just means that I'm constantly looking
at the value proposition of used cars
on a V12 front engine Ferraris,
effectively a detuned ENZO engine sitting in the front
have a really pretty pin-in-free in a body
and you can pick these things up for what, 85,000 pounds.
I know it's a lot of money, but really.
And maybe if I can link
these two parts of the podcast together,
if someone turns up outside a restaurant
in the new 849 Testerosa
and then you turn up in Neil's posiblu 599,
I think you're getting even more value
from the way people will respond to you
because I think whatever we say about the new car,
Neil's car is beautiful, really, really beautiful
in a beautiful color.
And I just came away, like all I always do,
I came away frantically on AutoTrader
looking at 599s that I can't buy.
You know a car's touched your soul
when you spend the next day
looking at them on AutoTrader, don't you?
Maybe that's a denominator.
So that's the filling in bit for Tutobene.
The 599 is just stunning.
Yeah, it's a Southport as well.
Yeah, because it was designed for us.
Yeah, maybe you're right.
Also, we got in it and the first thing it did
was have a full electrical fault
on the dashboard.
It was brilliant.
Neil's car, they all do that.
And sure enough, we stopped it,
had a coffee, started again, all dead.
Gone, yeah.
What year was the 599?
Can you remember?
2007, it started.
2007, so that's 20 years ago.
So I'd have been in my late 30s.
So I'd have been in exactly the same sort of year
that you're accusing people of 849s of buying.
I don't know.
One's ugly, that's it.
That was because you think differently about,
no, when I was 38,
I thought it was beautiful, I'm 58.
I still think it's beautiful.
I mean, if I still designed shoes
the same as what people loved 30 years ago,
I'd be bust.
Neil, are you trying to say that shoes have changed in the last?
I'm sorry, I'm not saying it's changed in the last 40 years, Neil.
Right, stop.
We're all treading on each other really badly now.
I apologise to the audience.
Shut the fuck up,
unless someone else has stopped talking.
Because this is terrible behaviour.
I don't often have to step in as the school teacher.
But that's a official naughty step to all of you,
including me, official naughty step, all right?
Right, okay.
I want to hear what Chris Cooper's telling cars this week.
So I didn't go to the revival.
I went instead on Sunday to a lovely gentle event.
The Chum of Ours, Will Pembroke.
Well, Pembroke runs in his lovely home
down in the village of Wilton, near Salisbury.
And once a month in the summer,
he opens the doors and gates to his extraordinary family home.
And just get people with nice cars, whatever they are,
could be anything, could be an MG Midget,
could be a 959, could be anything.
And they park up around his sort of garden
and the driveway and bid outside.
And all kinds of people wander around, just look at them.
And I went down with Finley
and we met a few people that we knew
and we had a lovely time.
We'll put some photographs in here of the stuff that we saw.
It's very, it's very gentle and it's all in a good cause.
The Stiles Appeal charity that Will supports
and the Rotary Club in Will.
It's all very lovely.
It's once a month, it was quite chilly, but still.
So it was a very, very nice event.
And what Will does there is really, really amazing.
He's an extraordinary enthusiast for the car.
He's sort of, he's like us really.
He's just a big kid.
When it comes to stuff he's seen,
he like wants to buy and talking about modifying stuff.
And yeah, it's all that.
So the last one for this year has happened.
But you know, from April onwards,
I think April May onwards,
go next year and support that wonderful charity.
Was Robert Denton there?
Robert was there on the Sunday.
And there was a chap who parked next to me.
I put a photograph up on this actually
when we put this on YouTube.
He had the most stunning 2004 Toyota MR2.
So that is the one, the very little diddy one
with the mid, mid slash rear engine in it.
2004, so 21 years old, the paintwork was stunning.
It looked absolutely wonderful.
And I thought, crikey, for a little car, that old,
it just looked really good.
And I thought, I really liked the idea
of such a little car down in Cornwall or anywhere else.
So yeah, so it was great to see stuff.
It provoked you to think about cars like this.
This chap said it's his wife's car,
but actually it could have been anybody's car.
I'd have loved to have that, so that was right.
I've got one other thing I need to talk about
that I've did done being in cars this week.
So last week,
we talked about how do we keep driving happy.
And I felt, and I spoke,
and I feel very strongly about this,
that please thank you and sorry
are the three words we should all have.
We should all have at our fingertips
when we're driving a car.
I kind of need to use this as a bit of a confessional,
really.
Uh-oh.
I've used some other words this week
on occasion when I've been in the car
and I feel a bit sad.
I sort of, I tried to write them down,
but it would mostly be bleeps.
I'm afraid I've weakened on occasion this week
when I've been in the car
and I might have cursed and cursed
on one or two occasions.
And it made me think, actually,
that keeping driving happy
and spreading happiness,
you know, it's something we've got to think about
the whole time.
It won't just happen once.
You've got to think about it.
And I tuted somebody this week
because they sort of pulled out in front of me
on the motorway without indicating.
You tuted the horn.
I did tut the horn thing.
Did you?
I did tut the horn.
I very rarely do that.
I think it was absolutely in line
of the provisions of the highway code.
Just sort of, no, it wasn't like that.
No, I've been with you in the car, Chris.
We won't talk about that.
I was warning, I was advising another road user
of my presence, Osipha.
But I did think I felt bad immediately afterwards.
So I thought we should run
a little sort of father-ted confessional in here.
Yes.
Every time we need it
about when we've done something,
we sort of, that wasn't really,
I was going to say,
wasn't really Christian motoring.
But other faith-based approaches
to the car are available as well.
They're all valid.
So what I've done in cars this week,
most importantly,
is recognize that please thank you
and sorry are really important
and actually, and we're all busy
and trying to get too many places
and too early and blah, blah, blah, blah.
So the person I tuted, sorry.
What did they do?
It was on the M40
and they pulled into the middle lane
in front of me without any indication
or pre-warning.
And it was very, very close
as the car outside of me.
So I had to brake quite hard
not just going to the back of them.
Yeah, yeah.
So they made a mistake.
And I reacted sort of,
I'm sort of, I tuted the horn
as they do it in sort of,
partly to warn them,
but partly if I'm briefly on this house
of slight irritation.
And I think I now realize,
I now realize that was wrong.
So sorry to that person.
You admit you're wrong.
Yeah.
I think we gotta do that.
Keep driving happy.
Ferrari.
It's interesting that I'd like to point out personally
that I will not be using this forum
as some kind of moral sheep dip
because frankly to D-Lavs me
will take fucking hours.
Yeah, you've got quite a backlog
of stuff to get through.
Yeah, it's true.
Yeah, I'm only going down.
I'm going downstairs
once this mortal call has been shuffled off.
So Manish, what would you like to talk about?
What have you done this week?
Well, we opened the film in Milan,
which was just the most wonderful kind of end of,
I think almost three years' work
finally having a public screening.
There's a film festival called Vizione del Mondo,
very small, very chic.
And it takes place in a place called Palazzo Lita
in Milan, a lovely little palazzo
which has its own opera house.
So what they then do is they rig up
a rather beautiful cinema screen and project.
And it's 180 people
and there are two lovely moments
that I can think of.
I was walking, I was a little bit late actually,
and I was walking to the Palazzo from the hotel
and I bumped into Pignolevi,
the great legendary reporter
who was very good friends
in the back in the day with Enzo Ferrari himself.
I guess Pino must be in his 80s now, I guess.
And it was a typical me.
I said, oh Pino, what are you doing here?
And he said, I'm coming to see your film,
which I thought was really rather wonderful.
And before this, you have,
it was supposed to be an hour of drinks and canapés.
And then Luca arrived and he looked rather splendid
as he always does.
And he was supposed to do 30 minutes of press in front of that.
I was forgetting the name.
What's a screen called?
Where you have all the sponsors and they stand
and they do interviews and photos.
The stop and go or whatever they call it,
something like that.
Bullshit boards.
I'm sorry.
I think called bullshit boards.
Thank you very much for that.
So he was supposed to do 30 minutes of press
and 90 minutes later.
You know, we finally managed to get him away from,
I mean, you do forget what a superstar he is
and the media absolutely love him.
And it was a lot of fun.
And then we had a gorgeous screening
in the way that only Italians can do it.
There was a, when Luca got up to give a little speech,
a little address, he was actually heckled
when people clapped.
And it was like probably being
in a 16th century opera house.
So I'd say heckled.
Heckled in a really nice way
because I think he'd basically rid the audience,
you know, half of the world, the friends or family
or people who really love him.
But it was a wonderful screening.
It's a first public screening I've been to
with that film and I was nervous as hell,
as you can imagine.
And my big fear in Italy is that, you know,
this film is anything but tabloid.
I mean, it's really not a tabloid movie.
It's not kind of what I do.
And I was a little worried that maybe Italians,
that's what they would like,
but on Saturday we got the reviews
and they were really wonderful.
Mr. Addis brings out a side,
an emotional side to Luca Montez-Emmelo.
A lot of the three reviews actually said that.
And it was just very, very emotional.
And I don't just mean for me,
I mean for him and for the audience
and certainly for the press
because I guess what we forget to some extent
is he is about as close to royalty.
He is that kind of character in that country.
So imagine Prince Charles talking about,
I don't know, going to Cheltenham with his mom
and saying, you know, I turned around and mom was crying,
you know, or she had tears in her eyes
because they're the kind of things he said about
Enzo Ferrari or Giannianielli,
very small personal things
that a man who is effectively inaccessible,
who is a bit of an island,
even though, you know, people think they know who he is,
really opening up.
And I think the other thing that was really gratifying
was everyone described the film
as being as elegant as he was.
And that was something we tried very hard to do,
the context of it.
So that was amazing.
I got a little bit pissed afterwards.
I have to confess.
We managed to find a restaurant
that was open until just after midnight
so I could get a bowl of pasta
otherwise doing it in a bad way on Friday.
But it was absolutely stunning.
And of course, we've got the premiere next week on Thursday.
So we've got the big world premiere on Thursday
and here in London,
I'm reasonably nervous about that, to be honest.
And Barry St. Edmonds as well.
So Barry St. Edmonds, since the last pod,
has almost sold out.
Wow.
So the power of the pod works.
There are other cinemas.
Every man have expanded to 630 cinemas that night
and you will be able to watch the Q&A live
and you'll all get this lovely Ferrari poster
featuring Luca Montesemolo and Chris Addis.
So check the link out.
Check the link out.
Come along, it's going to be a real laugh.
This is a world record for us, boys.
We're not even through the second top again.
We're 38 minutes in.
This is remarkable.
So what do you do in cars, Chris?
Quite a lot.
I hung out with you a bit.
I went, this wasn't a car,
but I went on a quad radial engine C plane.
Never thought I'd do that.
I think the radial engine
might be the single coolest invention ever.
I've never, and I heard this thing.
It had a door open at the back
so you could hear the open exhaust
on the back of the radial engine
going along at 180 knots.
That radial engines are amazing.
I want to own one so I could just watch it work.
I went to Neil's 599.
He drove beautifully.
Tell you what, quite punchy coming out of the toll booth.
Neil loves a full bore toll booth exit.
He primes it, he primes it.
He primes itself, and then he primes it up.
And he likes that big sweep.
He likes to sweep to the outside lane
just with it fully lit in third.
It was great.
So lots of giggles at the Tutor Bene.
He'll climb a lovely bunch of people.
I drove my friend Eugenio's
gorgeous 308 Safari rally carb
and the gearbox broke.
And I probably contributed towards that.
So I'm sorry about that.
It's quite off for me to do that.
I hope I didn't, but I always put my hands up if I did.
Saw lots of old friends
and some new faces as well.
And I just thought it was a gorgeous event.
I left Italy again thinking
I'm really in love with Italy at the moment.
Every time I go there,
there's a warmth
and a security in who they are
and what they love that we don't have in this country.
They just, they're more centered.
And I'm jealous.
We're not often jealous of other countries,
but I leave Italy a bit jealous now.
And I was much more a francophile in my 20s and 30s,
but well done Italy.
You are smashing it at the moment.
I then came back here and didn't get much sleep.
And I went up to Anglesey
and we recorded a film on the new 12-cylinder.
But not the sort of homemade thing I did before.
Really spanked when I ran a track
and got underneath of the dynamics.
And you'll see the film.
What a bloody machine that is.
And also that refers back to a first point.
If you don't want the super fancy
mid-engine hybrid MF with 1000 horsepower,
you can buy a 840 horsepower front-engine GT car
with a big boot and everything else.
They're offering you several different possibilities
in the Ferrari range.
They really are.
I have to say 12-cylinder is magnificent.
I really love it.
And the more I spend time around it,
the more I think it is.
It's my zone, it's his best piece of work
really after the La Ferrari.
At the front of it, it's just excellent.
I love the Daytona hints.
And it could have just been a coupe,
but the bread van bit is so brave.
And if you see it in traffic, I caught myself,
and this is another topic of conversation.
Are you allowed to look left in the reflections of windows
when you're in a car?
Are you allowed to look left?
All right.
Always.
I looked left and I saw this thing
and I went, wow, this is spectacular.
And a Ferrari should be spectacular.
So I did that.
I then went and I drove.
Oh, maybe that links up with later on.
I went and saw the lovely Anthony
and drove his 205XS
and I left the key to the 12-cylinder on the roof
and drove off with it on the roof.
I've spent a long time at the cancer services
speaking to Anthony on the phone
who found it in the road two miles from his house
and it'd been run over by a truck.
So, but it still worked and I got home again.
So I've had a busy week.
Oh, and then yesterday I went to Zurich
and saw the most extraordinary collection of modern supercars
I've seen, really, absolutely everything.
But there was a blue, what was it?
I've got to get, I can't remember the name of the blue
for F12, I put up on Instagram yesterday.
Oh, my Lord.
Everything's about the F12 for me at the moment.
Everything, the whole world is about the F12.
I just love them.
There's been other stuff, it'll come to me.
But it's been a really busy, fulfilling week.
Busy weeks, beat boring weeks, always.
Busy is best.
Yeah.
Now, this should be quick.
What country has the coolest looking number plates?
I'm going to go to Chris Cooper first.
Germany.
Good shout.
Can I add anything else?
No, I don't think so.
No, brilliant.
OK, Neil Clifford.
Swiss.
Yeah.
I think any car just looks more elevated
with a Swiss number plate.
I lived and worked at Switzerland for a couple of years
y I had a brand new black 110 Defender 2004
and I drove all the way back,
which was total bull's ache, as you can imagine,
just to show off their number plates.
And then my wife turned it over on the M5 and rode it off.
And we were going upside down at 70 miles an hour
and it was three inches narrower,
but that's another story.
But it's just any car looks better with a Swiss number plate.
You say that.
You say that.
I ought to expand on my one word answer.
The reason why I think it is Germany
is because all of those times
and it's when we read Car Magazine,
when Car Magazine's were the way we interacted with cars,
we couldn't otherwise see, let alone afford,
whether it was a new Porsche or a BMW,
mainly BMWs,
because we kind of felt closer to be able to associate with them.
When you saw those cars,
I remember when the E60 M5 first appeared
and was tested by Dicky Meadon in Evo Magazine in 2004.
And there's that one.
There is that one.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's just that width of complete authenticity.
It's just come out of the factory.
They've just done their magic.
It's on German plates.
Yeah.
It is very clean.
It's very Bauhaus.
There's nothing frivolous about a German number plate.
But also the number plate is an accurate reflection
of the rigor of the nation.
And the German number plate.
Yeah, the German number plate has got these stamps on it
and it's thin metal.
It just feels like a document,
whereas the British number plate is a piece of fucking plastic.
Yeah.
Any old bloke can knock up.
Isn't it just you want stuff you haven't got?
I'm sure there's an Italian version of our podcast
when they're like, oh, the British number plates.
I saw P3NIS in Mount B.
I think Neil, I think you're bang on,
as ever the answer lies somewhere in between.
But so I think we always crave the other
and the other always looks exotic.
Yeah.
See, I think that is the best number plate.
When I was in Brazil, I can't see it.
Brazil.
Yeah.
I love the way they do that.
So instead of putting the flag on the left-hand side
followed by a bunch of letters,
you've got this effectively the top quarter
of the number plate.
The big horizontal one is blue with the word Brazil
and the Brazilian flag in the corner
with all the numbers underneath.
I think it's just so aesthetically pleasing.
It's all about bra there, though, isn't it?
I mean, let's be honest about it.
Bra.
I think all of these are valid.
I have to say, I'm a sucker for a little Monaco plate.
No.
But on a less than obvious car, like, we used to see a,
we usually see a little 205, a beaten up 205
from a real Monagasque resident with a Monaco plate.
It's like that's pretty damn cool.
Monaco is the one, really.
But for me, for me,
I remember being, last time I was over there,
I won't say the country, well, I will now.
Once, last time I was over in Tokyo,
we had a lovely little car meet
and someone locked up in a white intergrali
with just Tokyo plates on it, just subzero.
Absolutely subzero.
They probably said he's got a tiny tojo in Japanese on them,
but just to me, it just looks so,
they look so exotic.
Maybe it is the other, maybe it's this foreign thing.
And maybe they're sitting in California going,
oh, that Jaguar looks so much better on British plates.
But I think a Jaguar looks best on Italian plates.
I think a Jaguar with Italian plates is perfect.
Yeah.
I've just checked on, I've just checked with chat GPT
through all of the Italian Automotive podcasts
and whether any of them talked about UK number plates
and I'm still waiting.
Yeah, but there will be one,
there'll be an Italian equivalent of ours.
I'll tell you what I do like.
I think what, talking about sort of UK-ish,
and this is quite, if you're not in the UK,
probably not really, don't really get this.
There are parts of the UK,
which are sort of not,
Jersey and Guernsey, the offshore territories.
I quite like a Jersey number plate.
Yeah, yeah, the J is good.
The J bit, and it's got little flags and symbols on it.
And it sort of feels like there's a bit more to it.
So Jersey or Guernsey or Isle of Man,
I think those are quite...
Yeah, that Valkyrie bombing around
with that Jersey number plate.
That's crazy.
It's not just the face of Jersey, Guernsey, Monaco,
I just don't pay tax number plate,
because that's basically what it's saying, isn't it?
Well, no, I don't see...
Yeah, I don't read that.
I'm waiting for the Isle of Wight
to have their own number plate.
Yes.
I think we should start a campaign
for the Isle of Wight to have their own number plate.
Yeah, Shanklin.
Yeah.
Man, if she needs to get out there and campaign
on these issues in your four, five, six.
Yeah.
So I...
I pay my tax.
I think we will now...
Oh, Man, what did you think was the best number plate?
It's Brazil.
Brazil, so I'm Brazilian number plate.
So it's Algeria.
Yeah.
OK, the JLR cyberattack.
This is now where we all don our beards
and become very serious about the issue
of the cyberattack on JLR.
I'm going to go with the malaria correspondent
for British automotive industrial issues, Chris Cooper.
Well, it's a bit of a bugger, isn't it?
So actually very little has been said
fully and publicly about it.
Something happened on or about 1st of September.
It's not obvious whether it's a ransomware attack
o it's just a DDoS attack, denial of service type attack
or just plain arson.
A bunch of people said,
wouldn't it be great to see that thing up in flames?
That's my only...
We don't know the number of suggestions
about who was involved, which groups
and relation to the M&S attack.
Any suggestion that it's clear when this will be fixed,
I suspect it's slightly optimistic or guesswork
because it's really, really messy to fix this stuff.
It's a real problem.
The clients of my firm are very large corporates
and almost on a daily basis now,
we get their security alerts
on the latest cyber things going wrong, blah, blah, blah.
And there's an awful lot.
If you're in that space of thinking
about protecting your business
or other people's business, there's a lot going on.
But it has a real impact.
The factories are shut.
There are cars on the production line
where they can't restart it
because all the data that said,
hang on, you've been through the paint shop,
which wheels go on this?
All of that is gone.
So at some point,
probably people have to go back to the dealers
that submitted the orders
and go to the customers to say,
can you get them to confirm what was on their car?
The biggest impact.
Was it pink?
Was it pink?
Suddenly there were no pink cars.
1,000 cars a day.
Yeah, the biggest impact,
as big an impact, apart from the poor folks
who've been sent off and laid off
because there's nothing that they can do,
is the suppliers.
I spoke to a couple of quite large concerns
who are contractors and suppliers to parts of JLR
and they're talking to their banks
about actually we're gonna need some help.
So there could be almost a COVID style.
I think the government will step in.
They allow, whether it's a sea bills type thing
or subsidies or cheap loans or whatever it is,
because otherwise the whole shooting match
of that supply chain vertically, horizontally,
is at risk.
They could be out for a couple of two, three months,
whatever it is.
If you go to, as I occasionally do,
go to global conferences or stuff about
where CEOs around the world are talking about
what they think about, what they worry about.
Most of them would say,
I'm thinking a lot about how do I think about AI
and capture it and make good choices
rather than spending all the money on everything.
The thing that keeps me awake at night is cyber.
It's the number one thing keeping
CEOs awake at night is cyber
because it is really, really messy to fix.
As we saw with M&S,
we've just now gone back to online
ordering for their stores.
So we wish very, very well to all of the workers at JLR,
their suppliers, their subsidiaries,
all those kind of things.
And we don't need to call on it
because the government I think is on top of this,
but yeah, this will need state support
because we can't afford to lose
this industry and supply chain.
It's quite good stuff.
What is it about life?
The serendipity of life
that means that just when you are down and out
and struggling,
someone comes along and kicks you right in the knackers.
It's a bit rotten, it just feels,
it's what my late auntie Janet
would call rotten luck.
Unfair.
Yeah, seems terribly unfair.
So I think, yeah, I echo what Chris Cooper said.
I just hope it can be resolved
that there is some support
and that we can continue making cars in the midlands.
No, Cliff, what do you think?
I'm nothing more to add really
than with our thoughts
of with the whole business.
And Manish?
Well, I just thought this is
the end of an awful trilogy.
If you remember, British Airways
had a massive cyber attack
where they just basically stole data
and we've had Marks and Spencer's
which has been absolutely
mullido by this.
And now, now Jaguar,
and you do wonder,
I think it's Chris was saying,
you know, you do wonder whether
there's this whole hyperconnected universe,
this whole idea
that some bloke in wherever it is can sit down.
I mean, I would bet big money
it's ransomware
because I think these things are so sophisticated.
People don't do it just to knack or something
unless who are Jaguar's biggest,
you know, kind of automotive competitors.
It's the only only person I could imagine
who would do it just for the Valhalla of it.
And if Andy Palmer was on this morning
on Radio 4 and I didn't quite appreciate
one point he made,
it was quite a subtle but good point,
which is that a lot of Jaguar suppliers
only supply to Jaguar.
They don't have the volume
to go and supply to other people.
So if they go down the toilet,
Jaguar go down the toilet
because the whole point is you can't sort of fix
a wheel with 92% of the parts that it needs.
You need to fix a wheel with 100% of the parts that it needs.
And if those last eight,
you know, that last 8% comes from one bespoke supplier
who's small, who's vulnerable, Jaguar are vulnerable.
And you just realize how we are so much the sum
of small bespoke parts.
And you know, I'm very, very glad.
I'm not a big CEO right now
or a management consultant
in the motoring business, Mr. Cooper,
because this stuff is scary.
It's very scary, a bunch of, I don't know,
teenagers, grownups, whatever,
with some code can basically just chop a company off
below the base.
Or as simply as, I think the,
one of them recently without naming it,
the breach was somebody phoned,
somebody approached a call center
or a security center
and said impersonating an employee of a supplier.
Say I've lost my login, blah, blah, blah.
Or there's the cases where somebody's approached
in a car park or in the public place
and said, okay, here's 20 grand.
Give me a pass through your login details.
Some respects, it's the oldest weaknesses,
which is still the weaknesses.
So yeah, if you're in that industry of,
in that business of trying to keep people secure,
wow, that is bloody messy and complicated now.
Okay, let's add some levity to this
otherwise difficult conversation
by opening to the floor
the chance for other people to share with us
their keyless cock up stories.
So I'll start with expanding on what happened to me.
So you might have seen on Instagram.
I decided to take a photograph of the 12-cylinder
two lovely Peugeots behind it.
Peugeot Royalty, I hasten to add.
The red, phase one, 106 rally
and a 205 excess facelift car, G plate, 1989, I think it is.
And I decided to move the Ferrari forwards a bit.
And as I did this, I got out of the car
and then I, after I did that, I got out of the car
and move round.
The car went absolutely mental at me
because I had the key in my pocket.
It was beeping and whooping
and there were houses around.
I didn't like it, so I thought,
okay, I'm going to leave the engine running.
I'm going to put the car on the roof.
I mean, why would anyone do that?
But I'm not a normal person.
I don't have a lot of the skills that you all have.
And I, so I put the car on the roof
and then I just chatted to the owner of the car a bit more,
luxuriated in the beauty of both cars.
They really are stunning.
They're just gorgeous things.
And then I drove off
and I got to O camps and services
and I luckily parked the car quite close to a kerb
and out the way a bit.
And then I sort of walked inside
and thought I'm on the Manjaro still.
So your body's going,
you probably ought to eat a pasty
but what you end up buying is a bottle of water
and feeling a bit empty inside as you do
and this stuff.
So I probably was very happy.
I had not bought a pasty,
went back outside, sat in the car
and went, start.
Shows you I don't lock the bloody thing.
I just walked away from it.
I went, start.
There's no key in the car.
And I thought,
that's not possible
because normally if the key's not in the car,
it beeps at you ferociously
to say the key's not in the car
but there's a way around it clearly
which is if you've got those glass roofs
and the roof, the keys on the roof,
the key thing is in the car with you.
So I did beat the system in some respects.
Anyhow, after a few conversations
and I was sitting in the car
trying to style it out.
I'm sitting there
and there's lots of people coming up to the car
thinking, why?
They're thinking, why has he not gone?
Why does he want the attention?
The answer is I don't want the attention
but I don't want to get out
and have the conversation
about the fact that I've lost the key.
So I'm just going to sit in the car.
I don't want to walk around
outside the car also thinking
I'm really cool.
No, so I'm just there thinking
this is an absolute,
I can't phone any of my learning friends
on the podcast necessarily
because they was laughing at me.
I did put a note on the group
and there was some concerns,
what can we do to help?
But most people would be thinking,
oh, God, he's just useless and I am.
Anyhow, we found the key
and I was very lucky to get it back.
But it's not my only keyless story.
I can assure you,
there are many,
if you do what I do for a living,
there are many keyless stories.
So I did get it back.
Anthony, absolute Jen,
thank you so much.
How far away were you?
It was about five miles
back down the road, the key.
Right, okay, five miles.
At what point did you think
because you get that shiver
when you go, fuck, it was on the roof?
Did you get that feeling or?
Yes, do you know what, it's a very good question
because I had, for reasons I won't explain,
I had my son's crash on me in the boot
and I wedged it in and it moved a bit
and it hadn't clumped
and I was very pleased with the fact
that it had not clumped in the boot and moved.
But I remember as I thought back,
oh, there was a noise
and that was the key hitting the spoiler.
Oh, God, see, remember the noise.
I remember the noise
and then I had the awful moment thinking
when was the noise?
If I can locate the noise,
then I can find it on the road
but my brain, I didn't have the data in my head.
I was like, it made a noise
but I couldn't tell you where the noise was.
If I'd been 10 years younger
and less adult, I would have known it.
But yeah, but when I realized I was done,
I had to get,
I wanted to be somewhere
to watch one of my children play sport
and I realized I'd let him down
and then you have that moment
of this is not fair, I don't like this
and then you have a moment of technology
and you become a right-hold bastard.
But the reality is I fucked it up.
You know, so that was me.
I do believe that in the chaos of life,
I was destined to do something wrong that day
and if I hadn't put the key on the roof,
I'd have snapped an old-fashioned key in a key bar,
I would have filled it up with diesel
or I would have chucked my willy in the zip
and had to go to A&E.
I'd have done something ridiculous.
Can you help us all understand a little bit
about the coefficient of friction
of a Ferrari key placed on top of a glass roof
of a 12-cylinder.
It is.
How far away from the original D
did it eventually let go and land in the road?
How far directly away?
It's a very, very good question.
We're dealing with two high-mew objects
because...
Very high-mew.
Because I came out of this guy's lane in Devon
and I turned left to go towards the A30
y me dieron lo que los profesores
llamarían los patatas, como me dejaron,
porque la buena cosa de los 12-cylinderes
no es muy suave.
Mucha gente complica que es demasiado quieto,
pero puedes salir de la avenida y ir,
y no te pides nada.
Así que me dieron mucho.
Y aún lo sé,
fue en la ruta,
mucho más largo de la ruta.
Así que yo diría,
se quedó en la ruta
haciendo un full 0-60 en los cuatro segundos.
Y no diría la velocidad
que definitivamente llegué después de eso,
pero digamos que esa clave
sabía lo que estaba haciendo.
La clave mutastica.
Ahí está.
También quiero aclarar una otra cosa.
No, no tengo la oportunidad.
He postrado una foto del 106 Rally,
el red, y el acceso.
Y un par de personas dieron,
¿cómo puedes decir eso
cuando te arruinaste el top gear?
Déjame ser absolutamente claro,
yo no estaba arruinando ese 106 Rally
y yo used to hate it
cuando el show arruinó cartas como eso.
Es probablemente el más próximo que llegué
a caminar por el millón,
porque yo amo esos cartas.
Y si alguien pregunta si yo lo hago,
se puede cerrar.
Yo amo esos cartas.
Es muy, muy importante a mí.
Y no, no puedes acudirme de nada,
puedes acudirme de ser usuario,
pero no te digas que no te amo
y aprecio esos cartas.
La parte más iciana de mi vida de trabajo
fue ese tipo de deseo y daño a esos cartas.
He hated it.
Absolutamente, he hated it.
Bueno, vamos a mover.
Entonces, ¿cuál es, Chris?
Yo creo que tienes una historia de los goles
porque eres tan organizado.
Bueno, no tengo una historia de los goles,
pero tengo una historia muy, muy similar.
En realidad, es la misma historia
con un diferente artefacto.
El artefacto es mi caja.
¡Oh, en la ruta!
¡No, en la ruta!
Es un objeto que puedo decir,
puedo decir que he beneficiado de eso.
Entonces, esta es una historia importante.
Entonces,
he hecho la misma,
he hecho la cosa idéntica
en un número de ocasiones,
que es como sigue.
Yo voy a una estación petrolera.
Yo no me gusta, porque estoy disfragsado.
Y yo only discovered this quite late in life.
Yo nunca me gusta objetos,
mares o algo en mi caja.
Yo no me gusta,
no me gusta el metal o algo así.
Entonces, yo tendré que
caminar alrededor de mi caja
en vez de ponerla en mi caja.
Yo no me gusta en mi caja o mares.
Entonces, yo tendré que,
cuando estoy en una estación petrolera,
poner mi caja y mares,
si son una caja,
en la ruta de la caja.
Me gusta la estación petrolera,
coge la caja y va dentro.
Hay tres ocasiones
en las circunstancias idénticas,
donde
yo empiezo la caja,
pongo mi caja en la ruta,
y luego vuelvo en la caja
y me llevo de la ruta
y en algún momento,
descubierto,
yo debía haber dejado mi caja en la ruta.
Sin pagar la estación petrolera.
No porque
podrías decir
que has sido un
milking o cualquier expresión
que está tirando la caja.
No.
Después de la tercera vez que he hecho esto.
¿Puedo dejarme un segundo?
Entonces, esto debe decir
que has puesto la caja en la ruta
después de pagar la estación petrolera.
No.
No, yo necesito explicar lo que es.
Ok.
Después de la tercera vez que ha ocurrido,
yo creí que hay algunas circunstancias comunes
que yo neglí que lo entendí completamente.
Y las circunstancias comunes
fueron
en cada de estas ocasiones
que yo viajé con mi hija Lynn.
Y en cada de estas ocasiones,
gracias a ella,
muy, muy bien,
como yo terminé la fila,
dije
que voy a pasar y pagar la estación petrolera.
¿Y qué es lo que es de la ruta?
¿Puedes dejarme
un poco de agujero?
Extracción.
Me encanta.
Un chocolate o algo,
bla, bla, bla.
O un petróleo.
Y yo diría,
no, porque yo
he tenido una ruta
muy corta,
una espalda de atención.
Yo, en cada ocasión,
me olvidé completamente.
Me dejé mi boleta en la ruta.
Sí.
Y me volví en la ruta
y ella salió de la ruta
con las caminas o
un redbull o lo que había hecho.
Y una vez más,
descubrimos que me dejé
la ruta en la ruta.
En las primeras dos ocasiones,
es increíble,
porque he tenido mi...
En realidad, una de las ocasiones
he tenido mi pasión en mi boleta
y también mi...
Pero la única cosa que realmente tenía
la número de teléfono
fue mi licencia motosporta de Estados Unidos.
Así que esto es una forma de
que, en realidad,
me agradezco y me disculpe.
Me agradezco
a la Unidad Motosporta de Estados Unidos,
la Unidad Motosporta de Estados Unidos,
porque el equipo de miembros
ledido por Michael Now
y sus colegas
son maravillosos.
Y en las primeras dos ocasiones,
los muy generosos
y los pocos
que han encontrado mi boleta
salieron y decían,
ah, hay un número de teléfono aquí
y han telefonado el número de miembros
en la Unidad Motosporta
que luego me llamó a decir,
aquí es la persona,
aquí es donde tu boleta es,
bla, bla, bla,
increíble.
En la tercera ocasión,
creo que he sido
en la rolanda servicierna
en el M27,
Westbound,
en el norte de Hampton.
Y tengo un...
Eso es una servicierna neige.
Es una servicierna neige.
Tengo un sentimiento,
me llamo,
y me llamo a la carrera.
Y yo, en realidad,
he ido de vuelta
y he probado
a la hija,
a 10 kilómetros ahora,
que es bastante peligroso.
No es tan peligroso.
Pero aquí es la cosa,
la verdadera razón
que estoy diciendo la historia
es que,
en la tercera ocasión,
haciendo esto,
he sortido de decir a Lynn,
bueno, esto es tu culpa.
Tu pagas con el petróleo.
Y yo no lo significaba.
Y yo...
Y yo...
Yo estoy mostrando,
es dos confesiones
que estoy mostrando esta noche,
porque me sentí mortificado
que me permitió
mi propia frustración
con yo a decir,
por favor,
Lynn, es la razón de esto,
porque ella ha tendido
y pagó el petróleo.
He tenido los dulces y los bolsos
y otros comestibles.
Porque estoy tan usado
y pocionado
y no puedo organizar a mí.
En cada ocasión,
he dejado mi petróleo en la ruta.
Entonces,
es la misma cosa
que dejar a Aquila en la ruta.
Pero en mi caso,
creo que es más pocionado
porque he hecho esto tres veces en una ruta.
Y fue...
Yo me permití
pensar en las palabras
de mi hermosa wife, Lynn,
quien no lo merece
y lo amo muy mucho.
Y espero que ella me despliega ahora
y si no,
voy a decir que me disculpe.
Pero esa es la forma de how useless
men can be
y, por supuesto,
mí,
con mis disparos
aquí,
una espalda increíble
y no existente.
Entonces, ahora,
tenemos un poco de código.
Si estamos en la ruta,
y antes de que even
podamos decir
quién es pagando el petróleo
y si ella pagó el petróleo,
no puedo irme con la ruta,
me voy a dejar en la ruta.
Esa es la forma de how useless.
Es un parable para la vida moderna,
a todos.
Managed.
You've owned two cars,
both of which I know have keys.
This could be a tough one for you,
my friend.
I really can't.
Just want to say that there's no way
Mr Cooper has dyspraxia
because that's developmental
coordination disorder
and you do not.
I can't catch a ball.
I don't know my left and my right.
You're not supposed to be able to drive then
because you're an unbelievable driver.
I've put in the car with you.
If you saw some of my shunts,
you would also say that's that is.
I can't catch a ball.
I don't know my left and my right.
That is a proof point.
You didn't tell me about that
before you drove me a two million
miles an hour in that GT3.
No, no, no, no.
He survived.
When he's when he's when he's on it,
he's on it. Don't worry about that.
No Clifford, no Clifford.
You've owned enough of these
bloody modern cars
with these newfangled things.
And also the more the less
exposure you have to them
or the per vehicle,
the more problematic they are.
If it's your everyday car,
you've only got one car,
it's all right, but you've got more
than one car.
That's when it becomes difficult.
You don't need a wallet anymore.
Yeah, I know that one.
Just saying.
The the
Jaguar delivered
by the lovely Neil Dickens at hairpin.
Who is very meticulous
when he's with his car deliveries.
Radio four is on the on the preset.
The petrol is full.
The car has been valid.
Valet valid.
Whatever the word is.
Tiend a lovely leather binder.
Is in the boots.
All of the, you know, the carpet,
which I don't really like.
It's got that stripy shit.
We need to discuss the
the stripy carpet cleaner.
Yeah, I think I.
You know, so he said,
I've delivered the car.
It's all ready for you.
And so I'm very excited.
So I got back fucking things locked.
So then I look in the car
and the key is on the seat.
And I'm like, Neil, what's gone on?
It's locked and the keys in there.
Where's the fucking spare key?
It's oh, it's in the lovely leather binder
folder in the boots.
So then you're like,
hey, he doesn't know how it locked.
Some cut.
I don't know whether this is a weird thing.
Some cars do lock themselves.
Don't they? It does happen.
I know it's a bit weird.
They do.
They shouldn't do the keys in it,
but they do.
They shouldn't do.
But basically what happened was I then
we then couldn't figure out
what we were going to do.
Do we ring Jaguar?
What do we do?
Do we get the coat hanger out?
You know, and all of that shit.
But then Neil Dickens saved the day
by saying, I think there's an app.
This car has got an app.
And he rang the owner
who's actually lovely.
I know him now.
Rang the owners.
It was organized enough to have the bloody app.
Clearly I've owned the car for a year now.
I don't have the app.
So this happens to me.
We're all fucked.
He said, yes, I've got the app.
I'll unlock it for you.
Tell me when you're there.
And at 7 p.m.
when on his little Jaguar app,
ding, open the car
and now I've got my key back.
So that was quite a nice little story,
really, wasn't it?
And yeah, don't leave the keys in the car.
I've realized there's some mileage in this one.
I won't do it now,
but I'll also tell you the time that my mother
drove her Renault S-Bass
with my pet snake in the ventilation system
from the Chew Valley to Canterham.
That's a good one.
That's never been said out loud before.
That's a really good one.
No, well, we can't do that now.
Yeah.
So I mean, pet snake is as much a conversation, right?
Yeah.
Oh, I don't know.
So let's move on to our two car garage
because I've got some responsibilities to see me.
This is wonderful.
We're running over with two verbose.
Let's move on.
This two car garage was once again
defined by Manish Pandey.
You have seen the cyber attacks
on various British companies, B, A, M, S,
and now Jaguar.
You've also heard about the trend
in youngsters opting for driving test
and automatic say you yearn
for a simpler age.
You're pumping your fist now.
You yearn, great verb to yearn.
Like the word loins, not used enough
to for a simpler age.
When cars were mechanical and manual.
Pick two cars, both analog.
They can have a bit of tech in them,
but you know what I mean.
One for town, one for country.
Manish, you can go first.
Oh, so.
This is still in the pre-bid stage,
but there's a rather beautiful triumph of TR7.
Oh, it's nice.
It's out there.
I mean, the color is gorgeous.
What would you describe that color as?
It's sort of as you are.
Yeah, it is kind of triumph TR7 as you are.
At zero, at zero, droid witch.
That's going to say.
That's going to say, canly blue.
It's an American import.
If you have a look at that bumper at the front,
it's American import with all the tax
that they paid to the Netherlands.
So apparently it's very easy to import.
And I think you'd probably get that
for the right side of, I don't know,
12,000 pounds, something like that.
Yeah, probably.
So I think it's rather beautiful.
And then my idea of being in the country
isn't necessarily the kind of whole
Range Rover, Land Rover idea.
I just quite like the idea of being maybe a country vicar.
A vicar in the country side.
I found this absolutely stunning.
Mini Clubman.
It's actually, it's brown on brown.
Can you see that?
12,000 pounds.
BT.
It's one.
It's actually in Italy.
It's in Italy.
It's in Italy.
You can import it to one liter engine.
It's got the same thing,
about 50,000 miles on it.
I think that's a gorgeous country car.
Brown.
Is that a traveler or is that a normal mini?
No, it's not a traveler.
It's a Clubman estate.
I think it's a Clubman estate.
Yeah, if you look at the back, look at the back.
Yeah.
Clubman estate.
That's cool.
That is, isn't it?
It is.
Look at that.
Look at that lovely yellow stripes down the side
to make it look like it goes fast.
I love it.
They're my people.
Chris Cooper.
We've got a 25,000 pound budget, by the way.
Sorry, there was a budget here,
but it was suffixed onto the thing.
I'm sorry.
So, town car.
Nothing says effective town car,
better than a measure smith.
Yeah.
There is that.
There you go.
That measure smith.
That measure smith.
Not the 109 or the 110.
I always slightly preferred the 110h.
I think you can do more with that than the 109.
262.
Somebody's, somebody, we need to talk about it.
262.
Somebody has rebuilt a 262.
They have.
That was at Oshkosh this year.
It's not, they rebuilt one basically.
I've seen it.
So, the measure smith, KL175,
I think would be a great town car.
And then the other one,
and that's, I think that's goes,
so this is Wednesday evening.
So this will go on site probably
about the 20th of September.
The other one for my countryside car.
This was really, really lovely.
So this has got,
this will be finishing on its auction probably Sunday,
the 21st, something like that.
Maybe into next week.
Actually only next week.
It's that.
Stunning.
We'll put pictures up.
Oh, good.
It's a 325 manual cabriolet, 74,000 miles.
Zinnabar red, I assume that is.
And it's just, honestly,
I might have a go at that myself.
Is it cloth, Chris, or is it leather?
It is.
Hang on a second.
So many lovely photographs.
I'm trying to get to the interior.
It's got the ricaros with cloth.
Oh, God, that's the Holy Grail.
That is.
It's got the ricaros with those bolsters at the front.
You can lift now.
Manual.
A definitely manual.
What age?
What age?
It's a 1987.
3,000.
On a D.
3,000.
I've got to scroll through a million.
Yes, 3,000.
They're always 15 grand.
G or an E, wouldn't it?
D.
Chicken dinner, chicken dinner.
That's that.
Yeah.
Neil Clifford was punchy about this.
Neil Clifford was punchy about this.
He thought he'd won this,
but I think Chris Coop was close there.
Where are we going, Neil?
I have won this.
The, right, 15 grand.
I've actually chosen cars
that I'm going to fucking break down.
Can I just start from there?
As opposed to your cool shit boxes
that are going to break down.
So, I'm going Puma.
Ford Puma Sport.
Yeah.
Look at that.
Yeah.
Look at the cute little car.
It's collector's grade,
might I just say.
Only 11 former owners.
Ha, ha, ha, ha.
Ha, ha, ha, ha.
Let's get a full underbody
mechanical body restoration
between January and May 24
by none other than Chris Allison,
the Puma Specialist.
Mr. Puma.
To scratch the surface,
this included, but it's not limited to
fuel tank, real axle,
Alcon brake upgrade, all refurbished,
brake liners, wheel bearings,
fuel pump, engine cam and
belts chain, everything's fucking
cool.
It's just absolutely perfect
minty, smoke free,
pet free,
HPI clear, two keys,
not on the roof.
11...
No, what is it? I can't remember
what it was. 15 grand.
And actually, it's a really pretty
little car that Puma.
I agree that. Nice drive.
And then for my country
country car,
it's on current classics,
but it's with the lovely guys
here in tow,
a 2005 Porsche Cayenne
3.2 V6 manual.
Unusual.
Bucking
7 grand.
No.
Manual, Cayenne.
There it is.
Those cars were built
like absolute tanks because
Porsche was so paranoid
of this
elasticity of brand strategy
that if they fucked it up
Porsche was going down the
pan.
So that car, well, you'll be buried
in that.
Yeah.
And that's the only place where
Puma was buried in that.
Yeah, so I think that's hard
to beat. That's a great little
two car garage.
Good effort.
Managed where are you going?
I've done mine.
Just me.
So I've misread this.
I've misread this.
But I've misread this in what I call a
Cooper style, which means I've
deliberately misread this.
I've chosen to misread this.
So I've decided
to be the child that I am.
You've given me 25,000 pounds.
I'm going to spunk most of it on one car.
This is a Black
very, very low miles.
Phase one with white wheels, 106 rally.
Now I'm driving that
in city and in town.
If I owned that, I'd be in it the whole time.
Yeah.
Look, if you can't see this, it's a Black 106
rally phase one and it's done
not many miles.
36,000 miles.
It's everything I wanted.
Now, the misreading bit
was that I thought you said my second vehicle
which I would have in town could be a motorcycle
because I know that you'd allow me that.
Now, again,
old car classic.
There is, look at this, a twin shock KTM
from 1982.
I've put another plate on that.
I just think that's one of the coolest looking motorcycles.
Twin shock KTM
with an orange frame, just gorgeous.
I'd use that in town.
I'd rent in Tinma way around town.
Yeah, I probably should include motorbikes.
I think you can do now and again.
And I want to add that this week
especially poor week for me
on the car and classic website.
I have spent, I reckon
30 hours on there looking at tat.
I really am.
I mean the grip of an addiction for the side.
Get on the app, get on there.
There is so much
there's so much shrapnel on there that we all want to own.
I can't tell you enough.
It's just ridiculous, a wormhole.
Absolutely wormhole.
If you just type in a word that you're interested in, you're there for hours.
It's wonderful. What a resource.
What a joyous place to waste time.
Yeah.
Let's do some music
before we leave.
I'm going to start off.
How about this one?
You've not heard for a while, which is one of
the happiest tunes
that I heard probably
20 years ago, which is
Hey Yoll by Outcast.
Just with the old shake it like a Polaroid picture.
It's a really happy
brilliant piece of music.
Don't listen to it in the car. Make you smile.
Manage.
Well, I'm going to go with a bit of
Duran Duran. It's a little bit obscure,
but you guys have inspired me.
So I was listening to them quite a bit
this week and
on the B side of
the Union of the Snake single,
which I remember buying,
is a fantastic, slightly obscure tune
called Secret October
with the October spelled with a K.
October.
It's a beautiful song.
It's not a banger.
It's a very melodic, almost
folksy piece of Duran Duran.
It's stunning. Have a listen.
We need some of Le Bon on this podcast.
We do.
Well, I don't want
an union with this snake.
Right, off you go.
I've been listening to the Beastie Boys,
actually.
And
check it out.
It's a good song.
Yeah, it's a good song.
Chris Cooper.
This is my third confession of the evening.
God.
It's Michael Buble.
No.
Michael Buble feeling good.
I defy you
not to be tapping your steering wheel
and knocking it back a gear
and swooping around
with Michael Buble feeling good
on your stereo.
I love it. I really like it.
I'm really sorry. I really like it.
All I can hear is Steve Coogan
and Rob Bryden doing their Michael Buble
doing their Michael Buble
and now Michael Buble.
I know. I've turned this into Michael Parkinson.
I'm really sorry, but I really like it.
That was episode 54
of the car podcast Chris House and his friends.
It's quite late. They've got lives and they've got people to go and see.
I've kept their time.
I've monopolized them. They need to leave.
Thank you very much. Bye bye.
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The discussion centers around the new Ferrari 849 Testarossa and whether it lives up to the iconic name. Chris Harris and his guests debate its design, performance, and market positioning, with some expressing skepticism about its aesthetic appeal and others acknowledging Ferrari's strategic shift towards younger buyers. The episode features a lively exchange of opinions, touching on nostalgia for classic Ferrari designs and the implications of modern automotive trends. The conversation also highlights the broader context of Ferrari's business model and its impact on the brand's legacy.
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This week, we have a new record – 40 minutes spent on just two subjects. We’ve outdone ourselves this time. The new Ferrari ‘Testarossa’ has clearly proved divisive, and the entire team has been very busy in cars this week as well. This, and much more. We hope you enjoy!
(00:00) Intro
(00:06) New Testarossa discuss
(20:41) What we’ve done in cars this week
(41:12) What country has the coolest looking number plates
(47:17) JLR Cyber attack
(54:25) Give us your keyless f**k-up story
(1:10:08) 2CG
(1:19:16) Music
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The Car Podcast with Chris Harris & Friends
Chris Harris
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