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About this episode
Matt and Tommy break down driver performances from the Italian GP with detailed ratings and lively debate. Highlights include Max Verstappen's dominant win earning a perfect 10, strong drives from Alex Albon and Gabriel Bortoletto, and contentious incidents involving Carlos Sainz and Oli Bearman. They discuss team strategies, penalties, and the impact of racing rules on overtakes and collisions. The hosts also touch on the championship outlook, McLaren's internal dynamics, and give shoutouts to fans and upcoming live shows. The episode blends insightful analysis with spirited disagreements, making it a thorough review of the Monza race weekend.
Topics:
driver ratings
italian grand prix
max verstappen performance
race incidents
carlos sainz collision
team strategies
penalties and racing rules
mclaren team dynamics
championship outlook
alex albon and gabriel bortoletto
Amazingly, we've got some actual disagreements coming out of a confusing Italian GP. But will WE do everything to keep it as fair as possible between our two number one drivers?
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Hello everybody and welcome back to the P1 Podcast with Matt and Tommy. It's driver ratings.
Lock in. Let's do some numbers, shall we? Tommy, how are you feeling ahead of this one? Of
course, usually the more boring ones, which I think Monza absolutely fairly can be labelled more
towards the less intriguing of the ones we've had this season, usually are a little bit easier to
grade. But then again, I think there are some very 50-50 incidents to discuss that might well
push people's ratings one way or another. Yeah, definitely. I was looking through this and
there are a few in there that I think can be kind of a bit contentious, which is good as long as we
all respect each other's opinion. We don't have to agree. I don't think we should agree. That's boring.
Yeah, all right. Max for a stab and one out of ten. I think he was very cool.
I expected it from you. Yeah, fair enough. All right, here we go. The slander has already begun.
Right, let's start with Gabriel Bortoletto, who started the race in seventh and finished
eighth. I am locking in a nine out of ten for Gabriel Bortoletto this week.
Her phenomenal qualifying was strong all weekend long. It's not going to be a ten,
because just perhaps there was... The sub was amazing now.
Yeah, exactly. It's so hard with the chopping and changing of some teams and their performance,
but a nine out of ten is very solid for Bortoletto. Of course, lost a position from
where he started, but overall, very solid weekend and he can be very happy how he's continued
after the summer break. Absolutely. I've gone for a nine out of ten as well for Bortoletto.
Great result. Fantastic qualifying, fantastic race result. Of course, lost a position,
which was mainly due to Lewis Hamilton coming through the field, of course,
after his grid drop, but another great performance from Bortoletto. If you'd
said at the start of the year that a Salba qualifying seventh and finishing eighth would be a
nine out of ten, I'd have been like, what's the plan? Are we on? But that is the way it goes.
It's not a ten drive, but it's still another fantastic result for Bortoletto.
Absolutely. The fans, they agree, they've gone for a nine out of ten as well.
Nico Holkenberg qualified 12th, because usually we say started, but he didn't really start,
because he didn't start. DNS. He didn't, and that's why it's surely got to be an NA.
Well, it has to be, because he gave Max an NA and he did two corners this year, so
that's less than two corners. And yeah, it has to be not applicable, isn't it?
Absolutely. Yeah. It's absolutely fair enough. Of course, we would reflect on his qualifying,
of course, better than it has been, but not as good as his teammate, which seems to be a
recurring thing. It's a trend at the moment, doesn't it, for sure?
Yeah, for sure. And not applicable for both of us for Nico. The fans, are we also putting them
down as an NA, even though they've given a five? I guess you can't vote as an NA on the form,
so maybe it's not happening now. I think if we give an NA,
the fans have to give an NA as well. It's void, the whole result.
Yeah, void. Nico does not exist this weekend in terms of the ratings.
Okay, let's move to Alex Albon. Started the race in 14th, finished 7th.
I'm going to go for a 9 out of 10 for Alex Albon. I think it was a very strong,
an incredible race from him, of course, qualifying behind his teammate. And just,
I think it was the right strategy for Alex Albon, who essentially gained more positions
when those ahead had pit. And yeah, it was just a really good, really good, well, I don't know if
I can give him a 10, just purely because I think there's a little bit of a knockdown from qualifying,
but overall, a really, really solid weekend once again for Alex Albon. This guy is just
farming great weekends every single time. He sure is. I've gone for a 9 as well,
another brilliant result for Alex Albon. Didn't have the great qualifying and he did
have the superior strategy of the two Williams drivers, but that's not to take
anything away from him because he drove brilliantly. The superior strategy of not colliding with another
car. But also the pits. And yeah, he's doing so well this year. It can't be said enough.
He's now ahead of Antonelli in the championship. He is 7th in the world championship in Williams.
He is just bagging so many points. It's so, so impressive what he's doing and yeah,
amazing pace again from him to grab a P7. Absolutely. Well done to Alex Albon. The
fans gave him a 9 out of 10. Carlos Sainz started the race in 13th, finished 11th.
Always the first contentious result of the driver ratings. So I will say my result
and then I will explain it before everyone writes their comment first. So feel free to write your
comment afterwards. 7 out of 10 for Carlos Sainz. So the reason I've gone for a 7
is because he out qualified his teammate. He had the worst strategy and if he hadn't
collided with Olly Bearman, he would have obviously been in the points. So in my opinion,
that would have been a 7. Now I can hear everyone already screaming about this Olly Bearman incident
with Carlos Sainz. I understand why it's contentious. I've watched this so many times to basically
like see if my opinion has changed on it and for me it hasn't and I totally understand why
some people are like Carlos has turned in and he has. He's turned in as if Olly Bearman is
not there. But my opinion on this incident is Olly Bearman has to know when to back out of a move
and as they get into the braking zone, I've seen people saying he's halfway alongside. He's not.
His front wing is pretty much his rear tyre and Olly Bearman is... To be fair, his front right
is just past his left rear of Carlos Sainz. That's how I saw it. Not before science
it's the brakes. So Olly Bearman brakes later. So he goes even later and like steams in.
So yeah, I don't think Olly Bearman should have known better there. I do appreciate that Carlos
Sainz has turned in as if Olly Bearman isn't there. But I also believe that most other drivers
probably would have known when to quit in that situation because Carlos was ahead. So yeah,
it's a contentious one. I can see why some people maybe think it's Carlos' fault and then,
of course, that would reflect a much worse grade than this. But I believe that Carlos was
unfortunate this weekend. Okay, I've written my comment, Tommy, and you are a hater.
So my grade for Carlos Sainz is a 6 out of 10. He had his part to play I think in this
incident for sure. And I've watched it back. And sometimes you can change your opinion.
I'm not going to change my opinion. I still think Olly Bearman was at fault, despite a lot of people
thinking the other way around and that Carlos closed the door when he shouldn't have.
If you look at the racing rules, which yet we don't like, we don't like. But
the inside, which is technically the next corner where Olly Bearman is attempting
to overtake once having been overtaken, it's a gray area, isn't it? Of like,
who is the overtaking car right now? Is it Carlos or is it Olly as we go to the next
corner where Carlos is ahead? Like for me, my head is saying that's Carlos is now the
defending driver and Olly is now attempting the overtake. So for the inside corner and the
front axle has to be alongside the mirror at the apex and also to be controlled and within
track limits. He's not that far alongside. And therefore, with the racing rules,
if it is met, if for example, you do get alongside the mirror of the defending car,
then they have to leave space. Up until that point, they don't have to leave space.
That is literally in the rulebook. So Carlos probably has seen that and gone,
well, it's up to Olly to not crash into me. I think Carlos definitely has,
as I say, a part to play where you go, he might, he could have thought,
and it's his very split second decisions, he could have gone, I'm just going to
straight line this and just basically not that. But then, I guess on the flip side of that,
he is still attempting to finish an overtake and probably thought, well,
I have to make this corner, otherwise I might be asked to give the position back.
It's a confusing one. I don't like the racing rules in the sense of
you can just close the door if you are a certain amount ahead of a driver that is
putting a nose in, but at the same time, I still put more responsibility on Olly Bearman there
for not making, not causing contact. So I've gone for a six, because I still think
there's a small part to play for Carlos. It cost him points again, like how many
weekends have we spoken about where Carlos has, something's gone wrong,
a lot out of his control. This one, I feel like there was a small amount that he could have
tried to avoid the contact on literally a rookie of Olly Bearman, but it's still a six,
it's not horrendous grade, but it is very much a what could have been once again for Carlos Sainz
when he had shown, you know, some promise. The fans gave him a six as well. Isaac Hadjar
started the race from the pit lane and finished P10. This one is a tasty one,
because Hadjar gained massively from the incident we just spoke about between Sainz and Bearman.
It literally opened the door for him to gain two positions. I've gone for a seven out of 10 for Hadjar.
I think it was, yeah, obviously qualifying was poor. He even said himself he made a mistake,
had a terrible Q1, but back to bounce back to P10 is a great result for him. In a racing
ball that I am still convinced is a very good car. So that's why I've not gone for an eight
or nine, despite, you know, there might be questions of Matt, but he went from the pit
lane to P10. That's an unbelievable drive. Yes, it is a good one, hence why I've given it a seven.
So that's what I've done. I will go for an eight out of 10 for Hadjar. It's touch and
go between a seven and eight for me. I just think that the racing balls I don't think was
suited to this track or particularly great. Of course, it's not a nine because he's
qualified badly through his own doing anyway as well. Although, I guess in his opinion,
though, there was some mess with the Williams that he was, of course, very angry about in
qualifying. But yeah, he's made his way through the field to get a point which I don't think
should have been possible and I can't believe what happened when he started from the pit
lane. So another good drive from Hadjar. Yeah, I guess in my mind, I've gone for a seven
because I see it as very much a gaining of two positions through. Oh, it's close for sure in my
opinion. That's a P12 in my head without the signs and bareman instant. But hey, hope you got a
point. Well done, Hadjar. The fans gave him a seven as well. Liam Lawson started the race
in 18th, finished 14th. I have gone for a five out of 10 for Liam Lawson. It was kind of doomed
after qualifying and unlike his teammate that he had an inferior strategy, the soft tire
gamble didn't really work at all. And I do think I'm still adamant he was quite unlucky with
with Sonoda personally. So yeah, I've gone for a five out to ten for Lawson. But I think Sonoda
didn't didn't give him enough room and then he was told to let the place back. Well, Tommy, I'm
going to whip out the racing rules once again. But I'll say my grade first. I've gone for a
five out of 10 as well for Lawson. But it was on him to not make the contact with with Yuki Sonoda
because if you could try to go around the outside, which is what he was doing, you know, it's the
outside which then turns to the inside obviously for the next part of the chicane. His front axle
has to be ahead at the apex and in control and it within track limits. His front axle was not
ahead of Yuki Sonoda's front axle. And therefore by the rules, Yuki is allowed to say
no, but I don't need to give you space. So yeah, so that's where I sit on that one. And
you know, as much as we might disagree with the racing rules and I don't like I don't like the
fact that drivers can just be like, no, they can manipulate it a bit now. They're all going
a bit wise to it, I think. Oh yeah, for sure. To play it. Yeah. Because the FIA literally
got rid of the part where it was like you have to kind of keep an eye on your opponent in
terms of the don't push them off the track. That's been removed for this year. So that's
why we've had obviously so many conversations about Max Verstappen and when he's
dive bombed into an apex and things like that. So it's still a five though. Yeah,
for Lawson, it's a shame because I genuinely thought he was on for a little maybe even a
cheeky point at one point. My good surprise for this weekend because he did go for the
soft tyre, which was the inferior strategy, but also we knew that from the get go. That
was a decision that was made by him and the team to try and make up from a disappointing
qualifying. But he was just on those hard tyres for far too long and wasn't able to pull it off.
The fans gave him a five as well. Oli Bearman started the race in 11th, finished 12th.
I put Oli Bearman down more for this. You know, I said,
it's tough. It's tough. Okay, I'm going to give Oli Bearman.
It's still a 6 out of 10. It genuinely is. I was going to maybe give him lower for the incident,
but he still finished 12th. He qualified ahead of his teammate, still beat his teammate.
Despite the crash, I know Ocon was doing some wild strategy of praying for a safety car or a red flag.
But yeah, it could have been so much better for Oli Bearman and I don't want to go back to
saying this after the great result we had last time out of. It could have been better. He
could have scored points, but I still think Oli had a little bit more of a part to play as
we've already spoken about by not putting his nose into a chicane that's so difficult to overtake at
as well. So it's still a 6 because it could have been an 8 and that's where I stand.
I've gone for a 5 out of 10 for Oli Bearman. Crazy.
Yeah, crazy. One difference. Crazy slander. That 5 just feels so much worse.
Yeah, I do blame him for the incident. I think he should have backed out. I think he had
good speed again. He's shown so much promise and had really good speed this year,
but clumsy incidents. He's now on 10 penalty points as well as a rookie, which is quite insane to be
two away from a ban at this point of the season. That's also another reason that I'm giving this
grade because in theory, those penalty points are meant to be a...
You're downgrading him for previous incidents, Tommy?
No, no, no. He needed to back out of that move, in my opinion, and just know when it was kind of
done and it's a risky move and I do blame him for it. So he's cost his team points there,
so I'm going for a 5. And then there's Rosberg, who thinks we're completely wrong and thought
Carlos should get a penalty, which I cannot see in any world where you read the racing rules
and go, how is that Carlos's penalty? Yeah, so people are convinced that it's science's fault
and, yeah, let me tell you, it's the racing rules.
Yes, and it's all lovely discussion. Really enjoyed it. Thank you so much, everybody,
for getting involved. The fans gave Ollie Berman a 6 out of 10.
Esteban Ocon started the race in 15th, finished 15th.
I've gone for a 4 out of 10 for Esteban Ocon. Slower than his rookie team mate
didn't look to have the pace of him. Of course, he tried the
usual house strategy of praying for something, trying something crazy, which I respect them for
because why not? You know, you're going to finish, even if you do the normal strategy,
you're finishing like 13th or something. So why not try something crazy? They did,
didn't work. Of course, he had the incident with Stroll. One thing I want to ask about
because we had this discussion yesterday about the incident with Stroll.
So if Sonoda doesn't need to give room to Lawson, did Ocon not need to give room to Stroll?
Well, we're talking about the corner here as opposed to on the lead up to the corner. I think
that's probably where, because you can't just shove a person onto the grass before we get
to the braking zone. I need to watch again. So is it the fact that Yuki Lawson was still
on the track? So that's why they gave it. Because, yeah, if you don't need to give them room,
Stroll was never really going to make that pass, was it, you say?
Yeah. Yeah. I mean, look, this is where it gets into the absolute
depths of hell with these racing rules. Because Stroll is absolutely nowhere near
alongside his mirror at this point. His front is by his rear. Yeah. I'm watching it back
right now. I think Stroll's gone into a gap that was never there,
and Ocon's got a penalty for it personally. But, hey, there we go.
This is the best, isn't it? It's a mess, these rules.
Yeah, I think that this is probably the most questionable one from the Stewards, where you
would think it's more of a racing incident, maybe for this one, actually, when you look back
at it. Yeah, it's just absolute carnage, isn't it, these racing rules? I just don't like it.
Just everybody should be given room, and we should have some lovely side-by-side action.
Like, how hard is that to put it into some rules? Yeah, exactly.
Okay. For me, Esaman Ocon gets a 4 out of 10 as well.
Poor weekend, but it's interesting when you look back at the race. He was
two seconds behind Albon, or two and a half seconds behind Albon,
past the halfway distance. And then you have Albon, of course, finishing well up in the points.
But Ocon, it just seems as though his tyres fell off pretty massively towards the end of
that hard stint, and it just ruined any opportunity for him to score any points.
So it's a shame, because, yeah, as I say, he was with Albon, but it just fell off
in that later stage of the first, I was going to say the first stint, but the first stint was
basically the entire race for Ocon. The fans gave Ocon a 5.
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Franco Collapinto started the race in 17th, finished 17th.
I have gone for... I've gone for a five for Franco Collapinto because he actually did
all right this weekend. Alpine are in a championship of their own. They are Formula
2 or Formula 1.5, whatever you want to call it. They are like house, aren't they in 2021
or was it where they're just on their own? Exactly and Collapinto qualified well.
He finished ahead. Oh no, he's just behind sorry,
Gasly at the end wasn't he? He let them through though.
Yeah, they were swapping around left, right and centre those two.
But Collapinto to be with Gasly. Oh God, is it even more than that? The Alpine is a tractor.
I'm giving him a six actually Franco Collapinto. You know what?
No, I'm not going to give him a ten and I'm going to give him a six because look,
we don't we sometimes just look over potential great results as we know from Alex Albon's
interview and the fact that he once saw us give him a four when he said he got the best result
of his life. But yeah, I think Franco deserves a six because to be with your very experienced
race winner teammate around this track is should be commended for someone with such
little experience. So I've gone for a six. Thank you very much. Well done Franco.
Interesting because I was between a five and a six. Just one thing to throw into the mix even more
about the fact is an experience. He also didn't do FP1 as well. So missed out on that running time,
still out qualified Gasly. Yes, people go, oh my God, he finished 17th and how are you giving
him a six but Alpine are their own like they're in their own race. Collapinto let Gasly through
at the end. So you know, without that bit of team play probably could have beaten him.
And yeah, it needs to be applauded because you know, all he can do really in the Alpine now
is be comparable to his teammate. And actually, I think he was the better driver than Gasly
this weekend. And we all know how good Gasly is around this track. So yeah, I think he deserves
credit for that. So I'll go for a six as well. Okay. Yeah, Franco gaining a bit of confidence
has to be said in the Alpine that is dreadful. So who knows, the fans gave him a four. Not happy
in the slightest with Franco's should have won the race in that Alpine. Yeah, definitely. Yeah,
we get so much criticism that one is a dreadful rating from you lot. Right, let's move to Pierre
Gasly started the race from the pit lane finished 16th. I've gone for a five.
And mainly yet again, Alpine they're on their own can't really do a lot
cause modified his his car and apart from a after time from the pit lane. But you do you would
expect Gasly to be comfortably ahead of color Pinto based on the fact that color Pinto yeah,
like didn't do FP one didn't you know is very inexperienced and come in midseason in that
car. And yeah, expected more from Gasly even though it's a it's a tough fight. I mean, I mean,
this is the thing with Alpine right color Pinto and Gasly might have won the race in the McLaren.
You just don't know like they might have had as we mentioned in that Alex Albin chat and I think
we said it to Carlos as well. You never know if they've had the greatest race of their life.
But they're driving an Alpine and it's terrible. So yeah, it's a five and we just
give some silly little numbers and we hope that we hope that we get somewhere close.
For me, Pierre Gasly gets a five out of 10 as well. I agree with everything that you said.
To be honest with you, Tommy, you expect a little bit more in the head to head team battle. Of course,
Gasly did start from the pit lane. But yeah, it's just not as not the difference between
the two teammates aren't as big as as perhaps I would have expected. Considering color Pinto
struggles when he first started. So yeah, a five out of 10 for Gasly because they have become the
I don't really know how they've done team because they are very slow. The fans gave them a five as
well. They agree. They don't know. Lance Stroll started the race in 16th, finished 18th.
I have gone for a four out of 10 for Lance Stroll. Yes, it looks terrible that he's
finished 18th, and I've still graded him obviously on the lower end of the scale. However,
he did have a 16 second pit stop at the end, which I am going to highlight because he would not have
finished behind the Alpenes, perhaps not even finished behind Ocon or Lawson, maybe even
finished ahead of Sonoda. We don't know, but he had a very long pit stop. So he would have
obviously been miles behind Alonso had Alonso actually finished because Alonso was doing
goat things. So the Aston did have pace, but he doesn't deserve any lower than a four in my opinion.
Yeah, I'm going to go for a four as well. I can tell I've convinced Tommy to
No, actually, I was I was I'm being annoying about a five to be honest. Because yeah,
I had the pit stop in mind. But looking at looking at where he qualified is really poor
compared to his teammate. So yeah, it's got to be a four he obviously did his usual
qualifying quite poorly and staying out hoping for the dream strategy that sometimes pays off
for him where he gets a lovely little P seven or a P eight. But this time it didn't happen.
But the actual finishing position of 18th is more is more down to that slow pit stop at the end.
He would have just finished the points. Exactly. The fans gave Lancer three.
Fernando Alonso started the race in eighth, did not finish.
I'm going to go for an eight out of 10 of Fernando Alonso. He was running with
Bortoletto. I don't think the Aston should have been there this weekend. I don't think that
car would would suit Monza, which I know Lance Stroll has never been good at qualifying, but
they have been close occasionally in qualifying and things, even if Alonso has, of course,
whitewashed him this year in qualifying. But yeah, the fact that he was racing in the
points and could have scored some really good points as we've seen like Bortoletto delivered
a great result and Alonso is racing him. I know some people will jump on the fact that he hit
the curb weird, but you don't expect your entire suspension to break for going on a
curb. That is bad luck. I don't believe you can count that as a driver error, but of course,
I'd say that because it's Fernando Alonso. Yeah, of course you would. I've gone for seven out of 10
for Fernando Alonso. It's a nod to the fact that he was in the points, but he only made it to
half-race distance. I'm not going to absolutely expect the fact that he would have scored
a huge amount of points. We don't know. It is a small driver error. He's run wide,
wider than any driver does go there. I agree that the suspension should not have just turned in on
itself, but at the same time, a marginal one, which had big consequences for Alonso. But up until
that point, it was a really good weekend. Once again, his season is just a disaster,
isn't it? There is some powers over him that are saying, no, Lance Troll will beat you in
the championship. He even said this. Is that power, Lawrence Troll? That's what I'm saying right now.
Well, it's Carl Faeli. He mentioned the fact that he was running P6 at Monaco and had the engine
problem. Now he's had the suspension problem while running P7. He definitely should have more
points on the board this year. Yeah, he should, but he doesn't. But he doesn't.
Number one driver, Aston Martin looking forward to being world champion in 2026.
The fans gave Fernando a seven. Kimi Antonelli started the race in sixth, finished ninth.
I've gone for a six out of 10 for Kimi Antonelli this weekend.
Looked promising after qualifying to finish down in ninth. He received a five-second penalty
for driving erratically, which dropped him behind Bortoletto. And just overall, you got Russell
up there in fifth having a lovely chill time. And Antonelli is over 20 seconds behind, I think,
at the end. So it's an OK weekend for Kimi. It's a six. It's not anything dreadfully scored
a couple of points. But you also think about the mistakes he made in practice. I don't
think that's necessarily he hasn't destroyed his car as such. But it's nowhere near the level of
what we have seen from Kimi, like in Canada this year. So that's why I've gone for a six.
I've gone for a four for Kimi Antonelli. I think it was a really poor weekend from him.
He dropped behind at the start. He had, of course, another mistake in practice,
which piles all that pressure on. Then he actually had a good qualifying and then
dropped back at the start with a poor start. Then finishing behind.
I can hear the keyboard. I can hear the keyboard. It's no, it's great.
This is coming from a Kimi fan and wanting him to do well and said that he was going to beat
George Russell this year. But he's been so underwhelming and this race was enough for
Toto Wolfe to basically come out and say, yeah, he's not delivering as we expected for the first time.
He shouldn't be being beaten by a Williams that started 14th, was it, from Albin and a Salba,
a track that's not got a huge amount to it. He, of course, had the incident with Albin as
well for driving erratically. Yeah, I just think it was a poor racer from Antonelli,
even though he's got points, 30 seconds behind George Russell when he started next to him on the
grid. I don't think he's good enough. Was it 30? Yeah, I think so. Let's do a quick
double check of the results here and go to Italy. You know what I'm like with numbers.
George Russell 32 and 59 is 27. If you take off the five-second penalty, you finish 22 on
the track. But he got a five-second penalty. Okay, all right. So you're adding, okay, I was...
I normally tend to count five-second penalties. Yeah, but we've already downgraded him for that.
You can't then also say you finished 30 seconds behind his teammate when it was actually 22.
Like, you know what I'm saying? But he did finish 30 seconds behind his teammate because
he got a five-second penalty, which was his own fault. Like, I think, yeah, I...
You've absolutely decimated him. But fair enough. Okay, Kimmy Anton... Oh, I say fair enough. I
disagree. But that's good. I think that might be one of the only times we've had more than a one-point
discrepancy in driver ratings. And I'm here for it. Keep it up. Who is the Kimmy Stan now? I
think I've just taken the ground. The fans gave Antonelli a six out of 10. George Russell,
start of the race in fifth, finish fifth. I've gone for an eight out of 10 for George
Russell. I think he did the kind of best he could in that car, really. Didn't have the pace of the
Ferraris, the McLarens and Max. So just more solid points on the board in what's been a good
season for him. Very anonymous, really. Yeah, it was an incredibly anonymous race. Not much to
really speak about. And he didn't change from his quality position. I've gone for an eight
out of 10 as well. For George, solid weekend in a Mercedes that he is questioning, right? He thinks
it's such a strange season that Max could win by 20 seconds one week. And then McLaren can dominate
by nearly a minute at another track. It's a crazy season for us to watch. And it's mad to
think that even the drivers and teams are questioning how on earth this is happening.
But now it's a solid weekend from George. It's an eight out of 10. The fans gave him an
eight as well. Yuki Sonoda started the race in ninth, finished 13th. I've gone for a three out of 10
for Yuki Sonoda. Your teammates won the race. And on lap 53, I know he got some damage from
the loss and saying it was massive damage. I failed to see where loads of parts fell off.
But you have to take, there was some damage on the car. But your teammates won the race and
you're fighting Liam Lawson for out of the points at the time that that happened. Your
teammates won by 20 seconds in a red ball that clearly worked this weekend.
How can I give him any higher than a three? I know he's got through the Q3,
but he hasn't ended up in the points in the end. So, yeah, it's...
I don't think he had any... I think he was fine in terms of that Sonoda Lawson
incident as we mentioned when we were doing Liam's grade. But he's in a race winning car.
I know it's the second red ball seat, but you have to still factor that in. And
yeah, it's tough to watch. I don't want to see Yuki down here, but it's a three out of 10.
Yeah, I've gone for a three out of 10 as well for Yuki Sonoda. Have to,
yeah, whatever you say about that. Curse second seat, you have to grade him as we did with
Sergio Perez had we did with Lawson at the start of the season. And Max Stappens won the race
by a massive margin and was basically maybe two or three laps away from lapping Yuki Sonoda.
A complete disaster to not get even a single point during a race weekend where Max Stappens won
the race. Like, I don't know how you can give him a higher grade than that.
The fans did. They gave him a four. So, still not the greatest of grades though. Only one
point difference. Let's go to Max Verstappen. Start of the race in first, finished first.
I've gone for a 10 out of 10 for Max Verstappen. Shock. Easy 10. It's funny because last week
I thought he did incredibly well in Zanvo to get P2. And thank you. I think I even said,
I can't give him a 10 even though no one can beat the McLarens now,
because you do think that maybe by some miracle Max could still do it. And then in the very next
race he beats them by 20 seconds. It was an amazing performance. I think the most impressive
thing for me is it's not even a win and this is not to discredit his other couple of wins, but
it's a win where he's actually managed to grab back the first place as well. It's not been
a case of getting to the first corner first and it's very difficult to overtake like a Suzuki or
whatever and he stayed ahead and won the race and it's mainly been one in qualifying. This,
he qualified well. Very well. Very, very well, Paul. And yeah, the way he grabbed back the
win after I thought it was over for him and then just looked so dominant. It was such an
impressive drive. One of the best of the year for sure.
Absolutely. I've gone for a 9 out of 10. He lost the lead at the start and you know,
Paul from him, I'm kidding. Of course a 10 out of 10 for Max Verstappen. Probably the best weekend
in terms of just outperforming any expectations coming into Monza. I know we knew McLaren
were potentially going to be on not the back foot as such, but there was going to be
more competition. But we did not expect Max to win by 20 seconds. Toto Wolf coming out after the race
saying that everybody basically needs to reevaluate what they're doing. Only one driver out there
did the job. So yeah, I feel like we were back in sort of 2023. Max just absolutely untouchable
out in front. His lap times, as I think I mentioned in the main race podcast, it was just
mesmerizing to watch the consistency that he was putting in those times and
despite the fact that he was forced to go really long, which is where of course the McLaren's would
then come into their own a little bit more with their tire wear or lack of tire wear.
Max still held on beautifully and won by a massive margin. So yeah, it's a 10 out of 10.
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Lewis Hamilton started the race from 10th after being penalized five places for the
yellow flag infringement from the previous round, finished sixth.
It's going to be a 7 out of 10 for Lewis Hamilton. It was a good performance. He was making great
moves at the start. Just what I'm then going to give his teammate, I can't give Lewis the same
grade as him. Shock because I'm a Charlotte fan. No, I'm joking. Please listen to my thoughts
and opinions. Like 7 is not a bad grade by any stretch of the imagination. It's a nod to the
fact that he made some great moves at the start and put himself in a good position to solidify
P6, but that's about as far as he could get. So yeah, he qualified behind his teammate as well.
So yeah, it's a solid 7 out of 10, but I'm not going to give him any higher.
Yeah, I've gone for a 7 as well for Lewis Hamilton. It is a high 7 and spoiler alert,
like I can't give him the same as Leclerc, even if you take that penalty into account, you know.
Yeah, because where do you take that into account? Do you take that from Sam Voort?
Because it's unlucky. So I think even if you remove that penalty,
he'd be, and he actually had good pace as well. And it's a real shame that you had that
penalty. And I'm not taking that into account for this grade. Of course, he qualified six or a
couple of places behind Leclerc. And yeah, he made it through to P6.
Maybe if he'd got, I know it would have been a tough ass, but George Russell as well,
maybe it would have been an 8, but yeah, it's a tough one.
Yes, the fans gave him an 8 out of 10.
Charlotte Leclerc started the race in fourth, finished fourth.
I've gone for an 8 out of 10, as mentioned. It's got to be higher than Lewis Hamilton because
he's outqualified him. And I do think that, and this is a reason that I can't give him a 9,
is that maybe there was more from him in qualifying. I think he did make a little
mistake on that last run. And you never know. I do think that he probably wouldn't be able
to beat the McLaren's anyway with the pace of the Ferrari had, but you never know. I do
think we've seen Charlotte Leclerc pull out these miracle laps in qualifying before,
and had he done that, maybe he could have started pole. But it was P4 and he just raced to P4.
It's a good result based on where Ferrari are, but it can't be any higher,
but it has to be higher than his teammate. So that's my logic there.
Yeah, and your logic, it matches up because I've gone for an 8 out of 10
as well for Charlotte Leclerc. Yeah, qualifying was where there was an opportunity to get in the mix,
at least, to upset the rhythm of the McLaren's in second and third. Max is well gone. Max is gone.
Doesn't matter if you're qualified on pole, Max was coming through. But for the McLaren's,
Charlotte was not far away after the whole kerfuffle of Piastro and Norris and the pit stop.
Well, he arguably caused that whole kerfuffle by being race.
Yeah, my gosh, it's a 10 out of 10. I'm kidding. But yeah, it was a slightly better weekend than
Hamilton. I think when you look at Lewis as well, because of the great overtakes he made,
Hamilton was just behind Leclerc from sort of what the half-race distance, if not earlier.
So he had time to stretch his legs. I'm looking at lap 29 right now,
and Hamilton's six seconds behind Leclerc. And yeah, Leclerc just had a slightly better
weekend than Hamilton. So that's why I've gone for an 8, but no, I don't think
deserving of any higher. That kerb, the first chicane, still haunts me. Still haunts me from
qualifying and the way he bounced over it, because that was a pole. Maybe not. That wasn't a pole.
The fans gave Charlotte an 8 as well. Oscar Piastro started racing third, finished third.
Oh, the McLaren drivers. I wondered about this one for a very long time. I've gone for an
8 out of 10 for Oscar Piastro. Just a marginally worse weekend than his teammate Lando. They missed out
by a very small margin in qualifying. He was slower than Lando in the initial phase of the
race, but then started to come back towards the sort of latter part of that first stint.
But I think it's clearly so difficult. Even though the first couple of laps felt like,
overtaking, we can actually do it now. Clearly not, because everybody was just separated by six
seconds. It felt for ages. And then the whole shenanigans, nothing to do with Oscar really.
I'm not going to downgrade him for letting his teammate through or anything like that. That's
not really where my grade is going to be affected. But yeah, it's an 8.
I've gone for an 8 out of 10 as well for Oscar Piastro. More often than not, I think,
this season. He's been the quicker McLaren driver over the weekend. But this one,
it wasn't the case. He was, yeah, didn't have the pace of his teammate. It was close again,
as it always is with the two of them. But I think he was the slower McLaren driver, of course.
None of this kerfuffle that I'm still have exactly the same opinion on that it was ridiculous
to do comes into effect. And I've not downgraded him in any way for letting
Lando through or anything that happened there. One thing I will say is,
we mentioned Leclerc being the best wheel-to-wheel racer in F1 at the moment. Like,
Piastro is coming for that crown at the moment, because that move was unbelievable at the first
Lesmo. And what's an insane thing that I thought about as well is probably not even his best move
of the year, because he did that amazing one on Hamilton in Australia. The chicane in the wet
as well. He was driving like a man possessed for that one. His race craft is unbelievable. But
yeah, he just didn't have the pace of his teammate this weekend. So an 8.
The fans gave Oscar an 8 as well. Lando Norris started the race in second finish second.
I've gone for a 9 out of 10 for Lando Norris. In my opinion, it has to be higher than Piastro.
He was the quicker driver this weekend. Just like last week, Piastro got a 10 from me and Lando got
a 9, because Piastro was quicker, even though it was close. Same again this week. I'm not
taking into account any of the crazy situation with McLaren and all that kind of stuff that
happened. But I was actually very impressed with Lando's start. And I'll be honest, I didn't
know he maybe even had it in him to do something like that. Because once he got pushed wide by Max
and onto that grass, when obviously the grass came out with the nature of how Monser is this very
wide patch of tarmac and then becomes the grass, I thought, well, that's surely curtains for
his chance because he got a really good start. So to still get off the brakes, make the turn
and be able to make that move on Max, I was very impressed by that because that's what
Lando needs to do if he really wants to challenge for this championship. So yeah,
he had a good race, can't of course be a 10 because McLaren are just so good this year
that you feel like they should be winning every race. But I personally believe that he deserves
to get a higher grade than Oscar Piastri because he was quicker.
This is where the one time, as you know, about 100 times in driver ratings, I've wished for half
grades. And this was kind of the one where I was like, can I give him an entire grade higher
than Oscar when they have been very close? You've convinced me, I'll go for a 9 out of 10
for Lando. And it's a very good point that you make, Tommy, about lap one, when he dipped
his wheels on the grass, I'm thinking that's either going to be a crash if he tries to
overtake Max because his tyres have just been dirtied, that's not a word, but they were dirty,
or he's going to lose a position to Oscar or to Charles or whatever in that first chicane.
But instead, it was perfectly judged in the sense of diving down the inside,
he stays on the track, Max has to bail out, racing rules, blah, blah, blah, whatever.
But no, but Lando did a great job. And it was something that we have asked of him
to do, since God knows when, since probably last year, at the start of last year, or the
middle of last year when McLaren were good. So yeah, it's a 9 out of 10 for Lando. I am still
absolutely baffled, baffled to my core that he offered Piastri to pit first to save him from
Charles Leclerc. This is the one thing that I'm really struggling to get my head around of
you're battling your teammate for the world championship and you're trying to save him
points. That was utterly bizarre to me. Some people say, oh, he's a good teammate.
They've won the constructors. They've won it. Please don't give Oscar good strategies when you're
trying to beat him. And then obviously the whole thing kicked off anyway and Oscar got through.
And I guess it was fair after all of that. It wasn't, was it? Yeah, I know.
I'm still female. I cannot believe, and I know this is rich coming from me because I've basically
the whole time been like, everyone's entitled to their opinion for drive ratings. But I respectfully
disagree that anyone can think that what McLaren did was the right thing because it just wasn't.
They didn't need to have that situation. It was a complete mess. I'm still very annoyed
about it. I don't buy Oscar Piastri even coming out with a very PR friendly answer of, yes,
it was fair. Of course, McLaren will want him to say that. And that to me just screams that
they want to keep the peace. And that's what the drivers are. That's the way they're going
to play this championship. But I still don't agree with it and don't like to see it.
Yeah, I'm also wondering, Oscar's chill nature about, of course, Oscar is chill anyway.
But hypothetically, you put that situation where he's three points ahead of Lando in the championship
rather than 30 odd that he was. Does he have the same reaction? Because I don't think so.
Yeah, yeah. If it switched the positions or yeah, because that is the, I don't think any of this
actually comes down to, you know, we had the conversation about should Oscar have done it,
and it is very 50-50 of like, should he or shouldn't he? I think it was just a case of him.
I don't think it was him being particularly clever about it or anything. It was just him
basically being like, yeah, okay, I'll do it. But in a way, I do think that, yeah,
like had it been more, had it been later in the season. And one thing I think is quite interesting
is a lot of people now feel, and someone will argue he won't get this because
it's Lando's team and there's a lot of talk about now favoritism over Lando,
that he's essentially like, bagged the fact that they own one and it's only for a very
small amount of points. So when it comes to a race win between first and second,
he can almost cash in that token for more points. Yeah.
So there you go. Yeah, that's exactly what I was going to say is that
it's only, it's a six point swing, but it's a much bigger swing when it's between first and
second. But hey, that's what they were going to do anyway, Tommy. It doesn't matter if it
happens four times to the same driver. There are no tokens here. We are a fair team.
And this is one thing I didn't mention, but I saw some people mentioning
as well, and I've seen some people saying this online. What makes it even worse is this slow pit
stop situation. What is a slow pit stop? So like in the next race, is four seconds a slow pit stop?
Because normally it's two. So then does Lando have to move back two seconds? What is the
deal with that? This is why it's piled so much more pressure on McLaren.
Yeah. What are the terms and conditions? Is it the fact that one of the jackmen have to,
or that the wheel gunners have to be like, oh, it's not on? Because you look at the replay,
it's actually mad, by the way, that he just sits there. And then someone else has to tap him
be like, the wheel nut's not on. What constitutes a bad pit stop? It's a can of worms that
did not need to be opened, but they have gone everywhere. Anyway, back to Lando's grade,
the fans gave him an eight. Did not believe that he deserved a slightly more than Oscar this weekend.
Okay. And finally, who is our P1? Who does it go to? I wonder. Let me think, Max Verstappen.
I think the only 10 that I gave today was Max Verstappen. So it has to be Max
fully deserving and challenge it back on.
No, sadly not. I wish it was. It has made me like, I think it is an outlier that result.
Yeah, of course, P1 is Max as well. My only 10 grade, it was one of those races where
he showed why everyone, like most majority of people, of course, they'll always be haters,
but people think he's the best in Formula One. And what an insane moment as well after the race
that Toto said, one driver out there has made everyone else look stupid. I'm like,
what does George Russell think if he's saying things like this?
I know. George is out there going to have, yeah, done the maximum I could today.
Because they still don't have a contract either, do they? And it's mad.
It's mad.
Absolutely wild. And the final thing I'm going to leave you with,
which is what you sent me actually, Tommy, but I'm going to share it with everyone,
which is essentially a championship back on scenario with Max Verstappen.
So we have just come off the back of Monserre, of course. So what needs to happen from here
on in is, of course, Max win every single race and sprint. So that would be one, two,
three, four, five, six, seven, eight plus the two sprints that are left. That's correct.
Piastri would have to DNF in Baku and then have five seconds and two thirds. I mean,
that's doable. And then Norris, he can essentially finish on the podium for almost all of them.
And it would not matter because Max Verstappen would win the championship on count back
444 points each for Stappen and Piastri if that was to happen, Tommy. So are you telling me
it's not championship? It's not going to happen. One thing that did surprise me about that was how,
if you'd have told me that that's how he'd have had to do it, you know, if we were in a situation
where McLaren started the season good and they'd lost development like the Red Bull,
I'd be a bit more like, oh, yeah, maybe you never know, you can never count out Max,
but Red Bull aren't there. But it did surprise me how it wasn't a case of like McLaren
need to DNF from almost every race. Like it's only really like one and finishing seconds and
thirds, but it's not going to happen as much as I want to. It's funny, it's funny, isn't it?
Until he wins in Baku, they both crash into each other or one of the McLaren's crashes,
then the other one's told to crash to make it fair. Then of course, Max gets the points.
Yeah, Max could actually take advantage of this fair rule by McLaren.
Wouldn't that be the funniest? I wouldn't put it past Max. If one of the McLaren's did crash
or retire, he got a team radio from Max going, shouldn't the other McLaren know crash?
I'll be leading soon, the other car will be coming in. Right, that's it. We poke fun, of course,
we do. Thank you everybody for watching and listening to this driver ratings. Of course,
we have a week off before we go to Baku. Tommy, what are your final thoughts?
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