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Hello, and welcome back to the Fast and the Curious.

I'm Betty Glover.

This is the Formula One podcast that speaks to the biggest names.

Sorry, Greg.

And I know it's been a little while, but you're not Betty.

Oh, sorry, I was just reading the script.

Oh, she's already does the top bit you see.

Sorry, right, right, right.

Yeah, sure. No, it's fine.

Hello, and welcome back to the Fast and the Curious.

This is Christian Hughgill.

And that's the Formula One podcast.

It's teething problems, I think.

Once you're settled into the seat, I think we'll get through them.

It's Greg James.

I forgot.

I've been away so long, I've forgotten who I am.

Hello, and welcome to the Fast and the Curious.

I'm Greg James.

And it's lovely to be back.

I've been away for the summer, really, from this podcast.

And I've just turned into a fan of it.

So it's actually very exciting to be back on

with two of my favorite podcasters,

Christian Hughgill and Betty Glover.

The season is back.

We've had the Dutch Grand Prix.

Great debrief from you and Alex Brundle the other day,

Betty.

It's lovely to see you both.

I've missed you greatly.

I've missed our listeners greatly.

And I've missed Formula One so much.

I hadn't realized because I was, you know,

in the summer I get obsessed with cricket

and I'm always doing crickety things

and festively things and mad radio one stunts.

And for our international viewers and listeners,

they won't care about that.

But it's lovely to be back.

I'll offer my unique perspective on this ridiculous sport.

I've got loads of questions for you, Christian and Betty.

But did you miss it as well, Christian?

Because you weren't on the last episode,

but were you excited that it was back?

It felt like it was away for a long time

and actually a really decent race.

Yeah, I was very excited for it to be back.

And it was a great race.

The race also made me sad when I caught up with it

because I was on a plane when the race happened,

flying back from Scotland.

And Betty, you and Alex did a...

Sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry.

Can we just say that you were on a plane,

flying back from Scotland with a big fat engagement necklace on?

Yay!

We mentioned yours the other week, didn't we?

And I thought I fancied a bit of that.

Well, congratulations to you, Betty and Alex

and you, Christian and David.

It's such lovely news.

Both of you are about to have the most magical experiences.

It's very, very cool.

We shouldn't leave you out, Greg.

Congratulations to you and Bella for still being married.

Divorces are common nowadays, but you've bulked that trend.

So congratulations to you.

Yeah, just under half of all marriages end in divorce.

Yeah, sure.

But look, that's...

Statistically speaking, Betty,

one of us probably won't make the distance.

Yeah, at least, I mean, 1.5.

Yeah, yeah.

Sure.

So it's a good chance.

So anyway, at Fast Curious Pod,

which one of the three of us will end up divorced most quickly?

Okay, let's...

Fast Curious Pod.

Let's leave that, shall we?

It's wonderful news for both of you.

So the good news for you last weekend,

not so great for Lando.

The thing...

Look, we don't have to debrief too much

because you've done the debrief,

but I just...

Conflicted is how I felt about that

because I love Lando Norris to death.

Big fan of Oscar Piestri,

big fan of McLaren,

just, you know, I wanted...

Like so many people, I want that to be a close battle.

And by the way, I think it still can be.

But let's just talk about that later.

Thing I loved about it,

and there was something I loved.

Was how f*** it was.

It was so lame how it happened.

Your car breaking down is just...

Modern cars just don't tend to break down like that

much these days,

and particularly Formula One cars,

they just don't stop

in the most sort of lame,

just sort of splutter.

It was a splutter,

like a little drip of oil.

It was like my mum's old Nissan Sonny,

just like grinding to a halt

on the side of the M25

when we were going to blue water for the day.

It was rubbish.

It was, in cricket terms, it was village.

And it was really nath,

and I felt so sad for everyone involved.

No one's fault in particular.

Just, I was gonna say these things happened,

but they very rarely happened.

But it did, it was sort of comedy that really, but...

Greg.

Horrible.

Isn't it just like,

isn't it every worst nightmare though,

just driving and then being like,

pfft, is that smoke coming out of my car?

I think smoke.

Like, pfft, fake.

Seth, one.

Particularly when there's a lot riding on the journey,

and in this case with Lando,

you know, the ultimate destination

being the checkered flag

and what the points make a prize

is an important journey.

You know, it's just,

it's a breakdown he didn't want.

Why did it make you sad, Christian?

It made me sad because

everybody kept asking me,

Betty, you tell me what a lovely thing you said in the debrief

was when you go into a coffee shop, right?

And you said that there's a girl who serves you

that you talked to about F1.

I think all three of us have that with this podcast.

Greg, you get it at Radio 1,

don't you? People talk to you about F1.

I get it everywhere I go.

And people go to me sort of going like,

is it gonna be exciting?

And I say to people, yes, yeah it is.

It definitely is gonna be exciting.

I think it's gonna go down to the wire.

And I think what's sad is that

we've now got a 30-something gap

as opposed to a seven or eight-point gap.

And that's sad.

But as Greg said, it ain't over.

And I do think we need to remember that.

It isn't over.

It's sad because it's just sad for Lando

and it's just sad for us as a sport that we...

I don't think any of us thought

it was gonna come down to an engine failure

because it felt...

Greg, you said it felt very village to me.

It felt very 90s.

It's the sort of thing that used to happen

in the 90s and F1 all the time.

You know, I remember a Micahacker

and Michael Schumacher battle

where Micahacker and his engine went.

That was off of 1999.

So we're in the most reliable era of F1 history.

Rarely do cars break down.

Typically, if you're going to retire

from a modern-day F1 race,

statistically speaking,

you're most likely to be punted off by Kimmy Antonelli.

But very rarely do you break down.

Or Liam Lawson.

Sorry, on that, on that, on that.

Why are we all getting cross about that?

Carlos wasn't suitably around the outside.

That was a penalty.

Oh, I know.

That's what Alex said, isn't it?

Anyway, moving on.

But I feel like...

I'm sorry, but I feel like it is over.

Oh, come on.

Don't get me wrong.

This isn't me saying that Lando can't close that gap

because we've seen people close that gap.

We've, you know, it's possible.

But Oscar is so reliable.

He's so good.

I can't see him making a mistake.

I can't see anyone catching it.

It's a very good point you make.

And the logical, sensible heads will agree with you.

However, this is not a logical or sensible sport in any way.

Or podcast.

And this sport moves so quickly.

I know the world moves incredibly quickly

and we move on, you know, the news cycle

and all the rest of it is very quick.

But this sport is a joke.

I mean, it wasn't that long ago

that we were talking about Christian Horner

who's now just not around.

It's just like the soap opera.

He's been written out.

See ya.

He's a complete ghost.

And you turn on that coverage on Sunday afternoon

and you're like, oh, yeah?

Who's that?

I've forgotten about him.

Bye.

And things move very quickly.

Isaac Hagar gets his first podium.

He's come from nowhere.

He didn't really exist before this season start.

There's so many Cadillac and our thing.

That's three bars.

That's the driving Cadillac.

Oh, Jack O'Brezes is driving the Cadillac now.

What the f*** was Cadillac?

What are you talking about?

Oh, Cadillac are in?

I thought Cadillac were the old cars from the 70s.

What?

This sport is ridiculous and changes so quickly.

You just don't know what's around the corner.

Quite literally.

There are loads of them.

Oh, lovely, lovely, lovely.

Especially at Zambords, of course.

F1, you don't know what's around the corner.

Literally.

I've seen worse F1 slogans.

I really have.

Let's just take a step back and go.

Actually, there are 10 races.

10 races with 20 mad drivers just going around as fast as they can.

Different conditions, different circuits,

different things happening in their own brains.

There are so many variables.

Yes, the cars are, some are good and some aren't so good.

But actually, there's a lot that can go wrong

and therefore right for various drivers.

And it's not a foregone conclusion that Oscar takes this, I don't think.

With that in mind then, do you think that this changes anything for Oscar,

Christian, in the way that he approaches his races now?

Because he can now finish second

and that's not going to have a big impact on him and his lead.

I think Oscar, to me, it actually changes nothing for Oscar

and I shall tell you for why.

I think Oscar has been so remarkable this season,

so consistent, so fast, so calm under pressure.

He's barely put a foot wrong.

He's barely had a bad weekend.

There's been the odd weekend like Monaco where he didn't look quite at the races.

There's been the odd locked break under battle.

But aside from that, he's been nigh on perfection.

The risks, I think, if you're Oscar Piastri,

I don't think he changes anything because he's demonstrated

he doesn't need to change anything

because he's not making silly mistakes.

He's not taking out his teammate.

So he can carry on with the intensity he's been performing at before

because you run the risk to use the soccer analogy.

You run the risk of playing for the draw.

You know, you run the risk of playing, of taking your foot off the gas.

You always say, Betty, when we watch football

and a team's going into a Champions League match

and the 2-0 up from the first leg,

people say, it's very dangerous to go in and think,

I don't need to do as much.

I think there's a risk of that with Oscar.

Oscar, I don't think will do anything differently.

Maybe, just maybe.

There might be the odd little moment where he thinks,

actually, if I'm running third,

do I need to make this move for second

if Lando's winning?

Maybe not.

But this is not how racing drivers are hardwired

in the heat of battle.

And actually, I don't think it changes much for Lando

in his approach either.

I've heard quite a lot of chat about,

well, it's all or nothing for Lando now.

But it always has been

because he's been trailing Oscar for quite a while

and Oscar's been showing no chinks in his armament.

So I don't think it changes much for either of them's approach

because also, they've also got to think of next season.

If Lando starts to behave like a total maverick

and thinks, sonnet, I'm going in, forget it,

forget Papyrus, you can stick your Papyrus

where the sun don't shine.

I'm going to punt him off the road.

Well, he's got next season's title to think about

because he's got, you know,

there's no guarantee that if he burns all his bridges

with McLaren, he'd find another seat to get into.

So no betty to answer your question.

I actually don't think it changes anything

for either of their approach.

Do you think it changes the levels of excitement

for the rest of the season?

Am I on my own and still holding out hope

for a close finish?

No, no, no, no.

You're not at all.

Greg, I actually totally agree with you because,

again, if you've not listened to the debrief with Alex,

if you've missed that, it's worth going back to

because Alex made the lovely little point of like,

well, you could get an oil leak.

You could not have a fuel to give a sample of

all of these things that could happen.

You could have a bad lapping qualifying one

and all of a sudden you're starting at the back.

You could misjudge a damp qualifying session

and all of a sudden you're starting at the back.

I made the joke about Kimmy and for goodness sake,

before I get hung drawn and courted, that was a joke.

But, you know, Kimmy has hit people.

Some other drivers will hit people.

You can get punted off through no fault of your own.

That could happen to Oscar.

You run a wheel wide.

The thing is about this sport is so many variables.

So many variables.

And, Greg, to your point, if actually something else

happens to Oscar now, what are we saying is,

oh, we all thought it was over when Lando had his engine failure.

Well, actually, all of a sudden he's back in it

and that makes it even more exciting.

Greg, you're right.

10 races is a lot.

Have we got 10 left?

Is that right?

Yeah, so the Italy is around 16 of a 24-race season.

That's quite a few races.

So many different things could happen.

And we have seen engine failures.

Hasse have had a couple of engine failures.

Mercedes have had a couple of engine failures.

As we get further towards the end of the season,

reliability goes.

It was a joyably village.

As Greg said, it might happen again.

Who knows?

And also, how will Oscar react?

I think we could maybe predict, but you don't know.

How will he act if he is so far out in front

with, say, four races to go, whatever?

He's great at finishing races,

but is he great at winning championships?

He's won lots of races, but he's never won a championship.

He doesn't know how to do that yet.

He hasn't done that first one yet.

Oh, he'll be fine.

I think that is right.

I've been lucky enough to interview

loads of F1 world champions, really lucky.

And I've said this in the past,

that you see the difference.

You see the difference in the intensity

when you're talking to Lewis or Max,

the way they're analysing what you're saying.

You just see the difference between the good and the great

and their body language, their character,

the way they compose themselves in the paddock,

the way they let the Formula One world wash by them

completely not bothered at all

by the things that are toing and froing past them.

They are focused on their one mission,

and that is to win the championship.

Oscar has that.

I think Oscar could,

Lando could, Lando's car could break down

on every single weekend for the rest of the season.

Oscar still being Oscar.

I think a rhinoceros could break free from the local zoo

and run in front of Oscar and take him out.

And Oscar's still going on the team radio and going,

that's a shame, isn't it?

I wouldn't have expected that.

That's sort of rhino.

Nothing's going to change his calmness, his mentality.

Nothing changed Oscar.

He has been sensational this season.

And his mum will do a tweet or go on X

and post a photo of her watching the TV with the dog,

being like, oh, that was stressful.

Yeah.

And then she'll post a link to a rhino charity.

Well, they're endangered, aren't they?

I thought, oh, I didn't know that.

Rhino?

Yeah, of course they are.

People, yeah, people are always hunting rhino.

Oh, no, all rhinos.

Anyway, yeah, look, I was just playing one of my favorite games,

which is called Devil's Avocado.

I, of course, know that Oscar Piastri is absolute nails,

and you would almost bet your house on it happening.

But I'm just saying, you don't know for sure,

there's so many things to happen.

And is it nine races?

I get it wrong, is nine races left, is there?

I'm terrible at maths.

This is round 16, and there's 24 races.

So is that nine races?

Is it 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, one, two, three, four, nine, actually.

Right, so it was 10 in Zambor.

Okay, yeah, so nine remaining races,

but that's still a lot of races.

Can I ask a question to both of you, please?

Your thoughts on Ferrari,

and can you catch us up on where we are?

Because, obviously, we had the Doppio did not finish,

which a disastrous Doppio did not finish on Sunday,

which is really bad.

Unlucky for Charles.

Not quite so unlucky for Lewis,

it's just on the old slippy green paint.

We know that paint's slippy in the rain, don't we?

We know even on my bike,

I know not to go on the white lines when it's raining.

Yeah, but you've done the green crosscode,

maybe Lewis hasn't.

It's just, it's simple road craft, guys.

It's simple road craft.

Maybe that's what Lewis needs,

a little cycling proficiency vest.

That's what I was looking for, cycling proficiency.

I just think when it rains, it pours,

and it is absolutely chucking it down

for Lewis Hamilton and Ferrari at the moment.

That is just, it's just not going well, is it?

And I just think the one race,

well, actually, I don't know,

I sort of feel like the one race

that they do not need next is Monza.

Because when you have Monza,

you've got all the pressure.

They're on their home turf,

and I just feel like pressure is something

that they don't need at the moment.

And Fred Vassour was trying to sort of think

about all the positives from the last Grand Prix.

He was trying to find the silver linings,

and Charles Leclerc was just like,

there aren't really any at the moment.

Like, we've just got to say

that that was a bad Grand Prix for us.

He looks fit when he's sad.

Three practices, what?

That's a positive.

Charles looks good.

He put that photo of him on that map

on one of the dunes.

But he was looking sad on a sand dune.

Do you not think he looked,

he just looked quite,

and he looked like James Bond?

That picture could be the cover of Vogue.

It was such a good picture.

Did we establish where he got the phone from?

Well, it wasn't a selfie.

But it was, it was sat on the dune

on a phone.

Where has he got that from?

Oh, I see what you mean.

Well, it would have been the same person,

the social media person

that comes and takes the nice photo of him

looking sad.

And like, can you look sad?

Can you hold your helmet?

It looks sad, please.

Well, how'd they got over there?

To the dune?

For us.

I think he had his phone.

He must have had his phone.

He's not got his phone in his car.

No, but where did he get that?

That's actually such a good point.

I never thought of that.

No, we did.

Where did he get the phone from?

We put the question thing on Instagram

before this, as we often do.

Loads of them.

Loads of them going,

where did Charles get the phone from?

Lots of people going,

do the drivers have their phones in the car?

No, some, you have a question.

To ask you this circumstance,

I didn't think there'd be a point of the season

where I'm getting questions going.

To drivers have their phones with them in the car,

and I'm going, yeah, fair point.

Fair question in this circumstance, yeah?

No, but that is a really good point,

because no one else would have,

how was the person getting to the dune

to give him his phone?

Yeah, but there's a photographer there

that's gone, because it must be

the medical team or something, or...

He hasn't got his phone in the glove box, has he?

It's not like...

Oh, no.

No, he can't.

Because they can't even pin the car for the way.

No.

He's not got his phone in his pocket.

Do you reckon they have mints in the car?

Yeah, a little ordinance survey map,

just in case they get lost on the circuit.

It has a triangle.

A spare tyre.

A spare tyre in the boot.

It's good practice though,

because they always,

much like you should do on a motorway

if you break down,

always leave your vehicle.

It's unsafe to be in a stationary vehicle

on the side of the road,

and also a Formula One circuit.

So that, in one sense, is good road craft

from both those drivers.

We, if we ever get Charlie Clare on this podcast,

because we haven't had him yet,

but if we ever do, we have to ask him.

That needs to be our first question.

Someone write it down.

I'm on the ground this weekend.

They'll try and find out.

I'll do some digging on this.

I'll do some investigative journalism.

Oh, you.

Yeah.

A little casual.

I'm off to Italy Drop, was it there?

Oh.

Oh, but don't let it dally, eh?

Hey, lovely.

That's nice.

That'll be really fun.

All right, so we'll get Charlie Clare on at some point.

We have to.

Come on.

We have to.

Come on, Charles.

They're going to, you know,

they might need a little bit of positive PR.

We can give him some.

We can do a fluff piece.

We can just, anyway, we're not above that.

We'll just do a puff piece, what it's called.

I think I'll call it a fluff piece.

All our episodes of fluff pieces.

Hey, no, they're not.

This is very serious journalism.

I have you know.

Thank you.

Right, let's do some serious journalism.

What the F happens now with Lewis Hamilton?

Look, he is, he's my favorite ever driver.

He's one of the, I think he's one of the,

well, he's definitely one of,

he might be the greatest ever British sports person.

What happens now?

This is intense pressure.

What can he do and why does it matter, Christian?

So we've got legacies at stake here, haven't we?

Well, I think, I think legacy wise,

what are you achieved across different eras

with McLaren and Mercedes is safe.

That's never going anywhere.

But at some point with all athletes,

time catches up with you.

So we're now in a really interesting position

of has time caught up with Lewis Hamilton.

He's making mistakes.

You wouldn't normally see him make.

He's not as quick as Charles most of the time this year,

although he's qualifying in Zanvo.

It was very, very good.

So there's two things to look at here.

It's worth playing a little clip of actually,

if you missed last week's episode,

Alex Bundle explaining from a motor racing driver's perspective

why he's struggling with this generation of car

is really interesting.

If you missed it, this is what Alex said.

His stint at Ferrari is starting to remind me

a little bit of Sebastian Vettel's stint at Ferrari,

where, you know, you get a driver who in an era,

in a certain era of car was had this massively dominant phase.

Hamilton then gets in, you know, changes team

in a subtly different era of car.

And it just requires a sequence of different inputs from him.

And he's scrambling around trying to make his style of driving fit the car.

And he's been around long enough that we know

what Lewis Hamilton's style of driving is, right?

He breaks really deep.

He has great control of the rear axle of the car.

And then he makes it work in the mid-corner and gets out.

So really attacking style of driving.

I've said it before on other podcasts,

you know, this era of car doesn't really reward it.

But what you're seeing is Hamilton being a good enough driver

to make efforts to meet the style of driving that he needs to.

But he's of a stage of his career.

And I think where he's been driving with a certain muscle memory for so long

that that's proving now difficult is my read on the situation.

That's great insight and analysis from a professional racing driver in Alex.

I suppose, though, really, we're not going to know the answer

as to whether Lewis has still got it until next year.

He clearly doesn't get on quite as well

as Alex has just explained with this generation of car.

The Ferrari car is difficult to drive.

It's not a car that's performing as it should be.

So next year, it's a blank slate.

Charlotte Clare hasn't had all these years of experience on Hamilton with this car.

Lewis and Charlotte coming into a new era, completely evenly matched.

They've both got the winter break to work with Ferrari.

If Lewis is still performing at the level

he's performed at this season and last season next year,

we're probably looking at the end of Lewis Hamilton's career very soon.

It's not a controversial thing to say.

No, we don't need to say it.

He's been off.

Yeah, you don't need to put it in the universe.

Sorry.

It's now the point where we do have to put it into the universe

that he wasn't up to scratch last year.

You know, that's not a Lewis Hamilton mistake that he made in Zambore.

He's not up to speed of Charles.

He's supposed to be the greatest ever.

He is the greatest ever.

That legacy, say, if I adore the man.

And I do think there's a chance that in 2026,

he is the quickest Ferrari driver, the clean slate.

I do think there's a chance.

Look at what Alonzo's achieved later on in his career.

I think there's a chance Lewis goes into 2026 and goes,

this new era I get on with much better

and we see Lewis winning races again.

That is a definite possibility.

But if Lewis is on the form...

Don't do the bat, don't do the bat.

We've heard the bat, we've heard the bat.

I'm showing you the bat.

We've heard the bat, we've heard the bat, we've heard the bat.

If Lewis is on his form this year next year,

we're in trouble, gang.

Mike, said it again.

I think you're right, Christian, though.

I think next year we are going to see him

and he's going to be much better.

I think he needs Lewis Hamilton as a man

that thrives off of consistency,

knowing what he's doing, working with the right people,

everyone knowing each other, really inside out.

He needs to rely on the people around him.

I think it's going to be okay, guys.

Let's keep it positive.

I think it's going to be okay.

Still to talk about Isaac Hadjar.

I really want to talk about that

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We're into the final chunk of the season.

There is still lots to play for though.

Up and down the grid

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The final race of the season

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Greg about the word package.

No, I just think that sounds

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Interesting.

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Something that we do need to talk about

and I'd love to get your opinions

both of you on Isaac Haja winning his first podium.

What an incredible thing to witness.

It was my favorite bit of the weekend.

I thought he was outstanding

but his just pure emotion

when he realized that he had made it to the podium

was just next level.

It was so good to watch, wasn't it?

Yeah, it's amazing

and actually think of Isaac Haja in Melbourne

when he drops it

before the race has even started

hits the wall

and he has to be consoled

by Anthony Hamilton in the paddock

actually to pick yourself up from that

and have the season he's had

is amazing.

He's really dug in.

He's really shown his mental strength

and I remember interviewing him in Japan

where he'd had, right

it was an interview after free practice too.

Not everybody's favorite part of the weekend

but it's like it's a practice session

and I said to him sort of things like

oh that looked positive Isaac

and his eyes lit up

and he sort of bounced into the media pen

and went oh that was an amazing session

and I just looked at him and was like

oh you're loving this

you're really loving your life in Formula One

and at any top level sport

when you're enjoying yourself

that's a sign you've probably got something

so I think it's hugely

that not just the podium

his whole season

he's shown speed

he's shown maturity

he's shown mental strength to recover

he looks like the real deal

he looks like someone that's going to be in Formula One

for another decade plus

so therefore I'd say to Red Bull

can we just leave him where he is for a bit

for the love of God

don't do what you've always done

and immediately put them up

because we're going to talk about Kimmy Antonelli

in a bit

and I do think there is something

in look at the likes of George Russell

Fernando Alonso

drivers who've had time to sit and develop a bit

all right there are exceptions to this

like Lewis Hamilton who was thrown in at McLaren

but he's Lewis Hamilton

and that was a very different era of Formula One

I just think now as Greg said

Christian Horner's long in the distance

and they're in this new era

it's a real chance for them to show

a bit of maturity in their driver selection

that they've not shown for a while and go

it's a new era

we're going into a new rule change

let's have a bit of consistency

Yuki Sinoda is an experienced Formula One driver

that's good

we've obviously got Max

everything's going well in our B team

let's just leave it and have a year of consistency

I think that would help Lawson and Hadja

I think it would help the team

the two respective teams

to me

just leave it guys

because it's all going rather well

and actually Yuki got a point at the weekend

again maybe next year's Red Bull

isn't as difficult to drive

leave it

just leave it

leave it

Hadja does need to be careful though

doesn't he because if he keeps this up

Red Bull are gonna promote him

which is why I strongly feel

he should drive terribly this weekend

don't give them any opportunity

I strongly feel

he should

I don't know

accidentally fresh reverse

at the starting grid or something

just just don't

I agree

don't do too much

you know

set it on fire

hey come on

do a bit

bin it on the formation lap again

just do one then for all

for all time for all time's sake

oh sorry guys

don't mean to do that

something I liked

something I liked by the way

before we move on from this

the Isaac said

over the weekend

I'm the first Arab driver on the planet

to make it to Formula 1

it's huge

but it went under the radar

no one cares

but it's huge

we care Isaac

that is a lovely thing to mention

I love it that he came

so I go by the way

I'm really proud of where I come from

and my heritage

and where I'm from here

and I've achieved this thing

lovely

what a man

love Isaac Hadja

and

and before all of this happened

it's not confirmed

but keep an eye on this podcast

in the next

month or so

negotiations are continuing

I've got it

I've got it in my diary

I'm

I'm all in for that

yeah I mean I always

yeah but I always

approach with caution

when it comes to Formula 1

and we've all got experience

in this guys recently

to say that we're right to do this

so yeah let's

we hope

we're gonna have Hadja on the podcast

we've all booked in

but let's

fingers crossed everybody

come on then

let's

let's do a little bit about Kimmy Antonelli

and then

tell everyone about

Monza

by the way

2pm

is the race start for UK

viewers

which will be fun

that's quite a nice one

nice

nice Sunday afternoon activity

what did you want to mention about

Kimmy Antonelli

I think we're in a

really interesting point with Kimmy

where he started so well

and looked so at ease

and everybody thought

they've really made the right decision

in giving him this chance

there's been two moments in particular

the taking out Max in Austria

and then

the crash and taking out

Charles this weekend

that have actually really worried me

because there's sort of mistakes

in my view

that are more mistakes

you see in Formula 3

in Formula 2

when you're watching the support series

that they're

not necessarily the standard of driving

you expect in Formula 1

I'm not really worried about Kimmy's speed

he's shown he's got the speed

I still think Kimmy is going to be

in and around Formula 1 for a long time

I still think he's got the potential

to be this special talent

that everybody build him as at the start of the season

but I am starting to wonder

due to the lack of testing in modern Formula 1

to keep costs down

the different era to when Hamilton came in

are we in a situation in Formula 1 there

where it probably isn't wise

to stick super young kids in

at the top level

in a Mercedes

I'm starting to think

that it might have been a sensible option to

do what Mercedes did with Russell

and put him in a Williams

or something like that

would Mercedes have more constructors

championship points

if they had Carla signs in the car

almost undoubtedly

are the long-term benefits

of having Antonelli in from now

going to outweigh that

quite possibly

but I'm a bit worried about Kimmy

and I'm starting to think that just maybe

it might have been a bit of a mistake to

not put him in F1 this soon

but maybe he'd have benefited from

less of a spotlight

and less of a big team if I'm being honest

but Kimmy's had a lot of positives

from this season as well

I know he's made his mistakes

but for the sake of the experience

that he's going to be getting

he's had a lot of positives

but since Imola

he's finished 18th a podium

16th 10th and 16th

and then he's had one two three four DNF

so that's not Mercedes driver form

no you're right

when you when you write

when you say it like that Christian

so I listen

what I would love is Kimmy to prove me wrong

I love I think he's a great guy

and I believe all the hype

I'm just starting to think that

maybe Mercedes him not wanting to lose this

bright young talent

might have jumped the gun a little bit

and possibly could have benefited from

him putting him in a smaller seat

sooner

I

I think he'll prove you wrong

I hope he does

Greg I think

Nine races left remember

really hope he does

because like Miami amazing that weekend

he has got a podium

he started the season really well

but F1 it's a long old mental game

so listen Kimmy I'd love you to prove me wrong

I'd really want to be wrong

but I feel like Mercedes

I mean I could be totally wrong here

I feel like Mercedes

they knew they weren't going to

win the bloody thing

you're right Betty

so they're getting him ready for next

season when it actually matters 2026

new regulations

and this experience that he's gained

it's going to be valuable

I hope so I hope we don't

I hope we don't see a Red Bull situation

where it does more harm than good

is all I'm saying

as I said the advantages of putting him

in early might well outweigh

these short term disadvantages

maybe that's the case

and just all I'm saying for this bit is

I'm starting to worry a little bit

okay so fingers crossed Kimmy Antonelli

doesn't f*** this one up

what else should we be looking out for in Monza

give a delicately dealt with Betty

I think the thing is with Monza is

all eyes will be on Ferrari

when the New York Yankees

like collapse

the New York Times goes in on them

when the England or Germany football team

have a bad

you know game or two

the entirety of the English press going on them

Ferrari are unique in the sense that they

have this relationship with Italy

like it's the Italian national team

and that is why Monza in particular

is so important for them a bad Monza

and every Italian national newspaper

every big motorsport journalist will be on them

so they really need to recover

because the pressure that Italy as a nation

puts on Ferrari is unique to Formula One

the interesting thing will be as well

you know we talked about Greg

you know you said at the start

anything can happen

the time for anything to happen is Italy

that turn one two complex is so tight and narrow

if a title contender i Oscar and Lando

are going to be nervous at any point

Italy is that point

it's so tight and narrow

contact is so frequent

if you're Lando and Oscar

getting away well into turn one is key

not being fifth or sixth on the grid is key

because it's so tight in turn one or two

you don't want to be caught up in that

so keep an eye out for qualifying

keep an eye out for turn one

it's exciting

it is exciting

i like Italy it's a good track it's exciting

so there will be a debrief obviously

on sunday

do we want to do any sort of prediction

here yes in this moment

i don't think i've got a single prediction

right all season

i am dreadful at this

everything it's like everything i predict

that the opposite happens

so for so i am going to go

because why not at this stage

i'm going to go for

Mercedes shocking us by having the pace

and a george russell win

i'm going for lando norris second

and then i think third will be alex albon

because williams will be good

why not

nothing i say comes true

what about oscar

no no no oscar i don't know

i've there's no logic to this

it's just this vibes

so i'm going yeah what did i say

i'm going i think

russell

norris album

there you are

okay i think we have to in the spirit of that madness

i think we have to um we have to back the underdogs

from today's episode

and i'm going to say the podium will be

will consist of

i don't know what order uh lando norris uh

lewis hamilton

and kim yantanelli

if lewis gets on the podium in monson ferrari

i will

oh i'll i'll i'd be tempted to get a tattoo of him on my chest

like oh amazing like holding you to that

yeah i'd love it i'd love it

i'm gonna be the sensible one here

and drag everyone back to reality

and i'm gonna say it's oscar piastri

lando norris and then charla claire

because he won it last time

i think he'll get on the podium this time

but he's not gonna be

mclaren

found plastic well we will be back

for a debrief after the race

you're gonna be there i will be there on sunday

uh and i'll be joined by a special guest

who i shall reveal on sunday

wonderful it's been lovely to all be back together again

thanks for watching and listening to the fast and the curious

as i just said we'll be back for a debrief on sunday

and enjoy the race

ciao

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