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Hello, everybody, and welcome back to the B1 Podcast with Matt and Tommy. Take a deep breath,

because, well, goodness me, I thought this was going to be a stinker of a podcast. I thought

we were going to have to talk about, I don't know, the first two laps and then say,

thanks, everybody, for listening. We'll see you in two weeks time for Baku. However,

McLaren decided, you know what, Matt and Tommy, we'll give you a lovely little talking point

to throw in. Of course, we're Italian Grand Prix editioning today, Tommy,

and you, and I quote after the end of the watch along, said you are riled up.

I am, yeah, which is crazy, because Matt's just happened won the race by 20 seconds,

and I'm obviously absolutely buzzing about that, because I didn't know if we'd maybe see

another victory from Max this year based on McLaren's pace, but yeah, brilliantly won the race.

But my word, that end was so triggering to me. Yeah, I can't believe it.

We will get into all of that. Don't you worry. Before we do dive into that, of course,

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shelves. We've had three shows sold out, so go and check them out. Right, let's not mess around,

shall we? Let's get straight to my most memorable moment. Sadly, nothing to do with Ferrari.

It has to be the McLaren chaos that happened at the end of the race. So I think for sort of

reminders for some people, perhaps a bit of information for some people, let's go through

the radio transcript that went on. So, of course, Lando was ahead of Oscar and it was

pretty much stalemate. Oscar had started to close in towards the end of their massively

long first stint, around three seconds, and we thought it would just be easy-peasy, right?

The McLarens, they would box Lando, then they would box Oscar, and it would just be a very

simple end to the race. However, that is not what happened. McLaren went, hey,

bombshell. Remember, let's do it again. Yeah, do you see how many people were

riled up after that one? Let's do it again. So let's go through a bit of the

team radio transcript first. So Will Joseph, Lando's race engineer, he said,

we'll box onto the soft this lap to Lando. Lando then said, do you want to box the other car first,

to which Will then said, yeah, we'll do that. We'll swap it around, which both myself and Tommy

understand that to be, we'll swap around the car that's coming in first, as opposed to

positions, if some people might think that. Yeah, because they wouldn't be thinking about

the fact that they'd be swapping. No, they wouldn't be swapping. Yeah.

That's how we understand it anyway. Will then said, stay out. Lando said,

only if he doesn't have the gap, otherwise I'll box first. So, of course, Lando,

offering the pit stop, then saying, oh, hold on, let me think about the undercut that you might get

with the soft tyres. And then Will said to him, there will be no undercut. Then, henceforth.

Freeze frame, there was an undercut. Yeah, there was an undercut. Oscar Piastri

then pits and has a 1.9 second pit stop. Lando has a slow pit stop. It was what,

5.9, something like that, really quite slow. And then Oscar gets ahead into P2. May I remind

you all, they are championship rivals. The only two championship rivals. Yeah, the constructors

is wrapped up with a lovely bow just on the top of it, ready for December. It is. So, it is a

driver's championship battle between the two of them. Oscar gets ahead and then we get the

police swap come out. So, the engineer of Oscar said, Oscar, this is a bit like Hungary last year.

We pitted in this order for team reasons. I don't really, the team reasons feels like a very,

very light Charlotte Clair's half a lap behind, let's just cover him off kind of vibe. I think

you know, Charlotte was quite close come the end, don't get me wrong. But again,

it's just, they're covering for covering's sake in my opinion. So, please let Lando pass

and you're free to race. Oscar says, I mean, we said that, I know he said, I mean,

there was a bit of a pause. We said that a slow pit stop was part of racing. So,

I don't really get what's changed here. But if we really want to do it, I'll do it.

We are up to speed. Look, Tommy, you are riled up and I just want to let you put on your

chef's apron and just really share your thoughts first and then we'll get into mine.

My first thoughts are, are we watching the Formula One World Championship or CBBs? Because

I am sick of this. CBBs is a child's television program, but they don't.

Yeah. Yeah, like what is, what am I watching where two world championship rivals are like,

after you, no, after you, let's swap because that's fair. Oh, wonderful. Sunshine and rainbows.

This is the elite level of motorsport and we've been having this conversation

that as this season, you know, there's been a lot of talk about, oh, this championship is

kind of or less than there's not much going on and we need it to get a bit more spicy.

And we're now eight races to go and it's actually the opposite where we were actually

making them swap. And as you said, they have wrapped up the championship and it's absolutely

ridiculous to, there's so many bits to this, but there's absolutely ridiculous

for this to even happen in the first place. But for them to allow the swap, for me,

you can talk about, you know, Lando deserved to be P2 like he did. He was a quicker driver,

is a quicker driver. I thought he actually was, he did a great move on max at the start to kind

of get ahead and put himself in that position. Of course, couldn't, didn't have the pace to

do it, but he had the pace to be ahead of Oscar Piastri. I deserved it. I think his decision to

suggest they swap in the first place is a bit of an insane one because

this shows that they're not, they don't see each other as championship rivals.

Shall we break it down to a segment? Let's go with that one first.

Yeah. Okay. So the first thing like why is Lando offering his championship rival,

the undercut? It's almost like there's question, Tommy, that you put in the

sheet. Shall we say that first? I know you're really excited.

Go on, you do that. Let's keep the structure. Let's keep everything, honestly.

We're very excited to talk about this because it is a big thing to, of course,

talk about in Formula One. P1 Patriot member Anastasia W says,

even though McLaren made the questionable call to swap the drivers,

why did Lando offer Oscar the undercut in the first place?

Well, it's insane for him to do it. I don't know why he did. He shouldn't have.

To be fair to him, he does then ask the question to be fair to him of only if I'm not going to lose

a position. So he realises quite quickly and goes, only if I'm not going to lose a position.

And the team reassures him that he won't. But in the watch line, and I'm sure everyone

thinking at home, we said it before, we'd even seen this play out. What if it's a slow stop?

Because that opens a really tricky situation. And lo and behold, it was a slow stop for the car.

And I don't actually think, I think it would have been maybe a bit close had they just

not done the slow stop for Lando. But I think he probably would have stayed ahead

potentially in that situation. So yeah, to answer that question, I don't know why he offered

that. That's a bit crazy to me. But I understand from his point of view that he did basically say,

oh, well, he's almost had too much trust in his team there, I think.

So there's more to this as well, from what I can see that I'm sort of questioning. And

so Lando, you can kind of read this a few ways, can't you? Like Lando saying,

why don't you box the other car first? That can be seen as him almost being like,

well, don't want to have Oscar in a... This is how I initially saw it was like,

oh, don't let Oscar be attacked by whoever's behind. I'm like, bro, you're fighting each other in the

world championship. You want Oscar to have the worst strategy possible to retire.

Exactly. You need to gain points. However, I think it's more the case that Lando

wanted to go as long as possible. If there is a freak VSC that comes out, he gains a lot

of time and wins the rest. He wouldn't even have won at that point. If it was a VSC,

he would have got a cheap stop. But Max was so quick in that final stint on those hard tires that

even then it would have been difficult. But I don't buy that. I think it's not worth the risk.

Lando staying out for an extra lap, a one-minute 20 amount of time, hoping for a VSC

and then putting yourself at risk to the championship rival that you have in your team

of Oscar Piastri. So I don't buy that as a good strategy call in the slightest to stay out and

allow Oscar to have the undercut. Even if there's been this whole, yes, he will not get the undercut.

Fine. But it wasn't, it isn't just like the soft tires were slightly quicker. There was a slow stop.

You put yourself in that vulnerable position and I am so shocked that Lando put himself into

that position anyway. And then we had the scenario play out and as we've obviously gone

through and then Oscar is put in a difficult position. We all get flashbacks to Hungary 2024 again,

which we all didn't want to go back to on the radio. Like I said, this is a bit like Hungary

last year. Oh, what the absolute carnage and just mismanagement that that was. I just utterly

bizarre to be honest with you. There's no need for them to be in that situation again.

Absolutely crazy. No, absolutely not. So Oscar's put in that position.

And for me, and Oscar quite rightly says you had a slow pit stop. That's part of racing.

That's not just a normal undercut. Norris had a difficult pit stop and Piastri got through.

That is racing. And I think this is where, and I think a lot of people perhaps are finding

it hard to get fully invested into this championship fight is because of this nicely,

nicely fairness BS that we're currently watching. But then there's a really interesting

point and a question I'm going to come in now with from Alex Splicit, who says,

why did McLaren swap the cars today and not in Silverstone when Oscar got the penalty?

Because I believe that McLaren felt it was unfair that the Oscar

got the penalty in Silverstone. Lando benefited from it. And yet there was no such conversation,

really. Oscar even suggested it, right? Oscar even said, if you think it's unfair,

swap the cars and then we can race. But they didn't.

Yeah, I do, I personally think that that example, I get it. I get that the fact that,

and I do, I said at the time that I appreciate that Oscar actually called their bluff on that one

with McLaren when they said, you've got a really unfair penalty. And he said, well,

let me back through then. And they said, no. But I do think personally, this is just my opinion,

that those incidents are different. Because it was Oscar's fault, that one,

whereas it wasn't Lando's fault that they had the pit stop. But what I have a problem with

is, I think a better example here is, and I guess this is very extreme because they obviously would

have lost the race win. But like, if they're going for the championship, and we're kind of

making it perfectly fair in every situation, and this is part of racing, why didn't Oscar pull

over at Zandvoort and stop? Because Lando's had a car failure. It's literally the same logic.

I don't know, of course, that would mean they'd lose the win. But this is the can of worms that

McLaren have now opened with this. I think Oscar is well within his right to have this

conversation of saying a slow pit stop is part of racing. It is part of racing.

You're, it's part of racing, that is. I know it is unlucky for Lando,

but it's Formula One. Like, you can't manipulate a championship to be absolutely

perfect here and there. And I actually think they do more damage doing this,

because they just get loads of questions on them about this. And as we go into the season,

there'll be more and more and more and more and more. Like, it opens a massive can of worms,

in my opinion. As well, I reckon Mark Webber will have steam coming out of his ears after

Oscar being told to give that position. It's unfair. It's unfair on him.

And I reckon Mark would have aware that Oscar after this and say, look,

I wouldn't have given that position back mate. But, and on that, I actually think that Oscar did

the right thing to let it go because he needs that. He doesn't want to create the kind of

bad tension in the team for the sake of a few points. And I know that could be the crucial

moment in the championship. This is more unfair that they even asked him to do that in the

first place. I think there's, you know, the people will go, oh, Lando wouldn't have.

I think Lando would have. I personally think Lando would have.

Yeah, I think both of them have done it in the past.

Yeah. He has done it in the past.

They're both ingrained into this team philosophy.

But yeah, they are both ingrained into it. And Oscar Piastri has chosen to keep the peace there.

But it is absolutely not fair to ask the world championship leader going for his first world

championship to make way for his teammate, who is his only other championship rival,

because he had a slow pit stop. There's so many moments. There's so many moments this season.

Championships are won by tiny little things here and there. Oscar, we had this conversation when

Lando had the breakdown. Oscar's had bad luck as well. He's had misfortune. The kind of them

going off him and Lando into the gravel, we kind of said like that's so unlucky that he lost

the car. And it's kind of, it's an unlucky moment and equally, you know, strategies and

things like that. And moments, you can't, as we go into this championship now, it's just,

this is just going to cause so much chaos because McLaren will get so much heat on them for every

single moment they play now. Oscar has a mechanical failure. Everyone will be shouting,

why isn't Lando stopping? Oscar has a slow pit stop. Why isn't Lando now letting him back

through? There'd be so many moments like this for the rest of the season.

I just want to say on this as well, there is no criticism towards Lando here in the slightest.

No, he deserved to be here. The only thing I questioned obviously was the fact that he even

offered the fact for Oscar to pit, but in terms of like the booing he had on the podium, that was

completely unfair and not on him. Like it's a McLaren thing. This is a McLaren decision

similar to Hungary last year. It's a McLaren outrage that is currently happening here and

a questioning of their decision. I'd have criticism, Lando didn't say anything as far as I'm

aware and can see from all the radio transcripts. It's not like Lando was begging on the radio.

It wasn't. He didn't ask for it. McLaren took that decision themselves and I don't think they

should have. Regardless of which way around it was, you do not swap cars from a slow pit stop.

A slow pit stop, as Oscar Piastri says, is part of racing and there will be so many other incidents

where stuff like this happens. I want to explore the fact that you think that Oscar made the

right decision a little bit more. Put Max Verstappen in that situation. Your boy alongside...

No, no, no, but no. I'm saying, let's imagine Max your boy and then he's fighting a teammate

for the world championship. Max lets someone through. Are you saying that that's the

right decision to keep the peace? No, because it's Max's team. He'll say F off, whereas Oscar

Piastri... I'm just thinking what benefit does Oscar get from keeping the peace here over a few

points, which I think he could absolutely have argued. I think he could have as well.

Okay, the only thing I think Oscar could have done is complain more, to get more heat on

McLaren without and potentially then do it, and then it whips up a narrative of like McLaren

a favouring lander and all this kind of stuff, which would work in his favour, I think. But

I don't think that it was worth him causing absolute chaos in that team and getting bad

blood with his own team when it is three points. I know those three points are massive.

That's a six point swing. It's not three points, is it?

Yeah, yeah, true. But I personally understand why Oscar did that. I understand why Mark Webber

will be fuming about it. I think this is more on McLaren even saying that in the first place.

They should never have been having this conversation. I think it's less fair than having

the pit stop because it is part of racing. It's more fair to unfair to let Oscar give that place

back than it is the slow stop in the first place, because unfortunately that's always been part of

Formula One. We've seen world championships decided by mechanical failures and things between

teammates and stuff, and no team has ever interjected and gone, you know what,

Nico Rosberg, Hamilton actually retired in the last few races. Can you just slow down,

please, and maybe just retire from the next race? Obviously, this is an extreme example you're

using, Tommy, and something that is never going to happen because there's like fairness that

McLaren can fix, and then fairness that McLaren can't fix, which is a DNF, and that's where obviously

the line is drawn, but then it's a very grey area as to how much fairness they can hand out.

I'm not saying as well that there isn't benefits to Oscar giving the position back.

I think from a fairness point of view, cool. You know, you've kept the piece,

but as a tangible benefit, you have a six-point swing in the championship,

and you're a little bit more comfortable with eight races to go. So I think there's definitely

benefits on both sides.

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Let's go to another question because we are just popping off about this, but hey, Monza was pretty

rubbish up until this point. People on Patreon remember Grim. Do you think McLaren is just

going to manage this championship to death so that they have a controversial free double championship?

I hope not because this is the thing now with it. And as I mentioned, this has opened

the floodgates now that puts pressure on McLaren to do this for literally everything.

Because I thought about this scenario. I know we've compared things like,

we've compared Silverstone, haven't we, in the Oscar Piazzaree penalty, which may be different

things. Are you telling me that in Abu Dhabi, this is a hypothetical scenario,

we get to Abu Dhabi, their level on points, Oscar Piazzaree is winning the race and they

have a slow pit stop and Oscar Piazzaree loses the lead to Lando. They are telling Lando,

please let Oscar through to win the world championship. No, they're not. And people

will go, that's ridiculous to do it in the final race, but all these moments matter. Yeah,

where do you draw the line? There's only a few races to go now. So it's absolutely ludicrous

to start, like they're manipulating the result more by doing this than they are having

slow pit stops and things which are part of racing. Because of course, they're not

doing that on purpose, the slow pit stop. Of course, they're not because, I mean,

it's proof because they've even swapped the positions back to show that we didn't mean it,

Lando, we actually want you to be ahead because this is unfair and we made the mistake.

But no way in that situation in Abu Dhabi, if this happens, they are allowing it the other

way around. It's stupid. It's absolutely stupid in my opinion. And they're going to get,

if they get into a mess over this in these final few races, it's completely deserved because

you shouldn't be doing it. Yeah, they've gone down a very dangerous route.

Very dangerous. For sure. I hope they maybe understand the error of their ways at some

point. Well, they didn't because they didn't learn from Enhangria and now they're doing it

for a literal championship. Maybe this time, Dummy. Maybe this time. I really hope they don't manage

much more. I know that they've obviously done this. It's not like it wasn't just a slow stop.

There was the whole conversation before. But if you put yourself in Oscar Piastri's shoes,

he's not agreed to this. I know that there's the team rules and the driver ahead has to get

their preferential strategy. But when that all unfolds and there's a slow pit stop involved,

has Oscar really agreed to this? Clearly not by the team radio that we heard from him.

Just before he let him through. Because then just one more thing like if,

yeah, so say they had done the normal, say they'd just done it the way where Lando had pitted first

and Oscar pitted second and Lando still had his really slow pit stop and Oscar came ahead,

would they swap it back then? Or is this situation because of the fact that they promised

Lando there wouldn't be an undercut and there was? Because it wasn't an undercut,

it was the mistake. But like that is... It's a team mistake.

It's a team mistake, but it's part of racing as well.

What team mistakes go in the box of we will let the drivers swap and what team mistakes won't?

And it's just... Yeah, it's a mess. I can't remember the last time. I don't know if you've

ever seen this. Have we ever seen this in Formula One where a team tries to manage it this much

in like a let's try and keep both drivers happy? Yeah, I don't think so. I've never seen it

like this before. We've had number ones and number twos, but this is two number ones going up against

each other and it's just quite bizarre to watch. Let's go to another question. P1 Patriot member

Alan Enderpay, at what point will Oscar and Lando stop playing nice and start to get a bit more

aggressive with their championship battle? I don't know if we'll ever see it if I'm being

completely honest with you. They are just both very nice guys. Too nice. Yeah, they're

very nice with each other. They haven't had a big controversial incident with each other to maybe

stir the pot slightly. Of course, Lando in Montreal immediately apologized.

But at some point, I want to see as a Formula One fan, like... Spice.

They're there to just... It's spice, but it's also just it looking like they both really

want to win the world championship and they'll do anything to win it. Like the

Verstappens and the Hamilton's, the tenacity, the cutthroatness that they have and that's

the reason why they have a huge amount of championships. That's what makes a champion.

I think we obviously see that more with Oscar in some ways this year and how he's been

pretty ruthless. But even last year when he wasn't in the championship fight at Monza last

year, we've seen that ruthless side of him. I want to see more of that because then you

get more invested in it. But I'm struggling to... I'm obviously interested to see who wins

the world championship. Don't get me wrong. I love Formula One. I want to see who wins,

but it doesn't feel the same. It doesn't feel the same and people may confuse what we want here.

And some people would. I don't want to see Lando and Oscar start having a boxing match in the

cooldown room. No. But what I don't want to see is when we've had this contentious

incident between the two of them and they're there in the cooldown room going,

oh, that was a nice overtake, mate. Oh, yeah. Yours too. Oh, my God. This is so funny.

Because this is what we've said so many times that this could be the only chance

he's to ever get of winning a world championship. They've got a long career ahead of them,

but you never know. And I want them to want it so much to the point where... And they do.

And they're doing it in their own way. They're doing it in a very different way to...

They don't show it in the same way that we used to see.

I'm not here saying they don't want to win the world championship. Of course they do.

But I think from just the way I've grown up watching Formula One and things and

Nico Rosberg and Lewis Hamilton were great friends and they were team mates. And as soon as

the world championship were on the line, they were throwing caps at each other. We had,

I'm not slowing down for Nico, things like that. And yeah, it got messy and some people say it's

a shame to see two friends kind of fall out over a championship. But from my side, I'm watching

the literal creme de la creme of motorsport, what these kids dream of their entire lives.

And only 20 people get to do this. And it's the very top of that. It's the top of the billions,

like, sorry, millions and millions of people that are doing karting and trying to get into

Formula One. And this is like the absolute pinnacle of it. And I personally, myself,

want to see them showing that they want this so bad and they'll absolutely do everything.

And some people will say, well, you know, not everyone is kind of going to be unsporting and

stuff and, you know, fair play to them for doing it the way they want to. But I personally

would like to see a bit more kind of as it's kind of really ramped up now. I want to see

more from it. I want to see them riled up and kind of have those moments where they are.

Yeah. And I think, to be honest with you, this maybe even comes more down to McLaren

and the way that they're trying to manage them both having their toys and being happy.

Because without McLaren stepping in, of course, Lando would then be questioning it maybe a

little bit and things like that. But instead, you know, McLaren jumping and be like,

guys, are we okay? We're both happy? Like we're both fine?

Yeah. I mean, for all my complaining about McLaren and how they've messed up this situation,

they've got an incredible PR team to have two world championship

rivals, basically being in the cool damn room, being like, oh, it's all right, mate. Yeah,

well done. Good drive. Jolly good. Because not, obviously, not other people haven't been

able to do that in the past. McLaren themselves are like a center of prost, right?

Yeah. But look, this dynamic might change the urgency of a world championship right on, you know,

as we get to the last five races, three races, I'm sure it could unfold. But right now, yeah.

And we saw a glimpse of that of like, for me, I was actually very pleased to see Lando for,

like, obviously, it's on my favorite driver, Max, but go for that move on Max. Because

we said this, like, you need to go for it. Like, you need to win this race,

especially when of the start, which feels ages ago, and it's the shortest race.

When Oscar was down in P4 and actually behind Charle-Claire, we were saying, like, this could

be massive for the championship, because Lando, you know, you need to beat Max here and get

this massive result. So they are showing it in that sense. But, yeah, just a bit more popcorn

would be lovely with them. Okay, all right. We've unleashed a big segment which didn't exist until

a few laps before the end of the race. Tommy, let's go to your most memorable moment.

It is Max the Stappen's victory. Of course it is. Of course it is. Yeah, exactly. Yeah,

when it wasn't Charle-Claire's P4. Max the Stappen. Just cheap shots every

time, isn't it? It's ridiculous. Yeah, an amazing win from Max. I'll be honest. I thought when he

had to give that place back to Lando at the start that that was game over and Lando would

potentially check out. But of course, got the lead back. I know you very much thought that

wasn't going to be the case. Yeah, I was like pessimistic, Tommy, again. Yeah, but that being

said, so many races we've seen Max. It's insane to think that Max has been on pole

the most this year. A joint with Oscar Piazza. He's got five poles. Oscar's got five poles,

Lando's got four poles. But he can't, he's very often, more often than not, he's not able to

deliver in the race because of how good that McLaren is. And yeah, I thought it would be the

same, particularly when he lost the lead. But he had incredible pace and it never really looked

in doubt until the situation at the end where of course McLaren, which they joked

about in the cooldown room, were preying for some kind of VSC in every single incident. And when

Ollie Berman and Carlos Sainz collided, my heart was in my mouth thinking, right,

this is where he loses the lead. And I think Max even joked about that himself.

But yeah, it was an incredible victory, has to be said, like dominant to dominate

this year against McLaren, even though it's a very difficult circuit. It's very impressive.

Yeah, it was a sensational victory from Verstappen this time.

Yeah, I just thought that when obviously lost the lead that the speed differences would allow

Max to have another opportunity. And lo and behold, yep, he got close and did a great

move into turn one. As we said, Lando did a brilliant move at the start to get ahead.

But yeah, Max was just utterly unstoppable. I was watching his times and he was relentlessly

consistent. If not just chipping another 10th off, another 10th off, another 10th off, there was no

mistakes. He put nearly 20 seconds on the McLarens, the McLarens that have been dominating this

season. Yeah, it's a low downforce track. It's not doesn't play into McLaren's strengths. But

at the same time, it should not be understated what an incredible victory this was. This is

almost, you know, driver ratings 11 out of 10. You know, again, we're bringing this up

because it's such a, we both wrote him off coming into this.

No, but he's got the best car by a mile.

Yeah. And those teammates were literally 13th and fighting for Jen, literally fighting for last.

Yeah, it was at one minute and 20 seconds. But yeah, you saw him at the end.

You saw him at the end. Yeah. But no, phenomenal from Max. And we'll go to a question now from

P1Patreon member Pickle Nick. Should Red Bull feel confident going into Baku after this result?

I think slightly confident that you look at Baku. Yes, there are definitely more braking zones

and 90 degree corners. But there's also a solid amount of straights and Red Bull clearly very

efficient in the lower downforce tracks as we saw with Monza. I'm not sure that Max will have the

same edge. I think he will be around the McLarens, perhaps even Charlotte Glaw. No,

but I'm not going to talk about Ferrari right now. I think that Max will feel

more confident going into Baku, I think, with this. I still have the tendency to believe that

McLaren will be very, very strong around Baku. They are different tracks as much as a massively

long straight. You know, I'm kind of talking and taking myself, talking myself out of Max

being in contention to win. I think McLaren have to be the favourites again,

but we won't see the same for Stappen as we saw in Hungary, for example, a massively high

downforce track where he struggled massively. Yeah, I agree. I don't personally think,

as much as I'd love to be like, yeah, Red Bull are back. Championship back on. Max is going to

win all these races now. It was a circuit that while McLaren still finished second and third,

on paper, it's the kind of weaker track for McLaren because they're

absolutely rapid and can just, you know, they've got unbelievable downforce in their car and have been

able to, you know, fly around these corners and be really quick, whereas Mons is not that kind of

circuit, is it? And a very different circuit. So it was more that Max got that brilliant

pole position, nailed the setup of his car, which we know with Red Bull is very much on a

fine tune where he goes into Fridays calling it the worst car he's ever driven. And then

Saturday, it's either the worst car he's ever driven on Saturday or he gets pole position,

which seems to be the trend this year. But yeah, I don't think I'm not going to sit here and

say that, and that this is maybe pessimistic me speaking again, but like, there might be another

chance for him to win a Grand Prix, but I do think that it's an outlier rather than a fact that

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Let's move to a question from P1P on Patreon member dap177.

What happened to Charles speeding in the pit lane?

Well, he didn't. He must have not, unless it's another situation like 2019 where they just

didn't want to give a penalty to Charlotte Monter. No, you were very nervous, weren't you?

I was convinced. You had your head in your hands, you were like, this is it.

I can't believe it wasn't even investigated.

Sorry, when you watch the replay, it looks like he's going quicker as he's locking up

over the speed limit line to when he then is rolling down the pits.

For me, I'm like, that's an absolute slam dunk. Has he somehow gone over a bit where the sensor hasn't

kind of triggered it? I do wonder if the locker, delete, delete.

Yeah, maybe him locking up, because obviously as he's locking up, he's unable to scrub as much

speed off. He must have been lower than that. There's a very weird situation. It's an odd

pit lane. You're going in incredibly quick. We saw a very interesting moment with Fernando Alonso

and Bortoletto, where Bortoletto was very cautious going into the pits and Alonso actually managed

to overtake him in the pits, thanks to just attacking that pit exit. Maybe Charlotte was

just fortunate that it looked worse on TV than it was. You assume that it was all in order,

but then in my opinion, the stewards did make some very interesting calls today.

Yeah, I think with this one, all jokes aside, Char must have not been speeding. I reckon it was

very close indeed. Any data to suggest that he was speeding and any other team sees that.

And he will, because all the other teams would know and stuff.

Yeah, and then it would be up in arms. So he must have just not sped, which is pretty good.

That is a W for Monzer and Ferrari fans. Next question.

Why lo does he knew? Pirelli needs to go. Medium should not be able to do 52 out of 53 laps.

It's embarrassing. Happy 500 races, Pirelli. Yeah, I know. Happy 500 races. That was not

my opinion. It was why lo's, but it's such, I know it must be such a difficult job for Pirelli

to create a safe tire, one that degrades, but doesn't degrade too much and degrade.

I think maybe even the cars as well. Let's blame the cars a little bit. I don't know how

we will blame the cars, because I don't know the physics too well. And it does change from race

to race. I think we definitely could have tried the C4, C5, C6, which we have been testing a few

races this year, the C6 tire. Perhaps there's a reason that they didn't go down that route,

like in Parabolica, even though I swear it was called Curve Alberetto these days,

but then everybody in commentary was just saying Parabolica or something.

I don't know what's happened there. I don't know.

They were like, no, we'll go back to Parabolica. But maybe that's too high a speed corner for a C6

tire. I'm not sure where they're going with the logic of not trying the softer tire at more

tracks, because there must be a, well, we don't want to risk it. And if we do and someone has

a high speed crash because a C6 tire has a blowout, then all of a sudden we're questioning

why did Pirelli bring the softest tires to Monza? So it's hard and it's just really

annoying. It's really annoying to see drivers go the entire race around Monza, but what are you

expecting? It's Monza. Yeah, it's very true. Like, I think Pirelli have been scarred by

years gone by in 2013 at Silverstone when the tires were blowing up. And, you know,

you've got to think that while it's tough, because I also am of the opinion that Pirelli

need to bring back basically softer tires and tires that maybe explode a little bit again

and stuff like that, because it makes it more entertaining. But also at the end of the day,

you know, Pirelli are there to advertise that they are a tire company. And as much as we love it

and want to see degrading tires when you are... The brand don't... The brand don't want to be

associated with tires that fall off a cliff and explode and, you know, because it's not good

for them. So they got brought in to basically do this job of, you know, allowing tire deck and

stuff. And unfortunately, they're playing it too safe now because of what's kind of gone

in years gone by. I am very much of the opinion that tires are the answer. We saw that in 2012,

2011, when they first got announced, 2013, that you need that kind of offset in

tire delta and things like that to allow overtaking that even when the cars are incredibly difficult

to pass. You've got dirty air, things like that. When you've got different tire life,

that's when you get kind of good racing. And we saw that even at a track like Zandvoort,

where it's difficult to pass that soon as they kind of throw a curveball in the mix

and people on different tires. That's when you saw a bit more overtaking and craziness.

So I just think... I personally just think the answer is just to do this like

softer tires and allow them to maybe do a mandatory two-stop wear and not, I know,

scarred from Monaco and all this, but let them use all three compounds because it

shouldn't be a case of like, we've been off the soft.

Yeah, you want that split of tires. And I was going to say, look, it's easy to say,

oh, we need an offset of tire, but there'll always be a strategy that works the best.

And most of the time, the teams will go down that route. You know,

want to start on the medium and finish on the hards. So forcing a two-stop

is that the route to go down? As you say, Monaco was a disaster, but that's because you

can't overtake around there. At least with an offset around Monza, you can. So,

yeah, I don't know. I still blame the cars mainly because it wouldn't matter if a Pirelli

medium lasted 52 out of 53 laps. If everyone was overtaking, it just wouldn't matter.

So that's the next thing, though, if the cars can't overtake is that,

okay, we need really degrading tires.

The tires, I think, are the solution, personally, but

yeah, there's no doubt that these cars are pretty horrible, but then equally Monza,

Monza's going to Monza.

Monza is going to Monza. Yeah, what did we expect? And to be fair, we had an idea,

didn't we? I can't remember when it was, of like, if we want to have more slipstream

and more overtakes around Monza, then everyone needs to run a certain amount of downforce.

Well, you could regulate. How do you measure that?

Yeah, exactly. You could regulate the fact that they're not allowed to use skinny wings anymore.

And I understand that would annoy a lot of people because people are like,

this is part of Formula One that you have different setups and it's a formula.

So like, that's what it should be. Because I know that even when they were

messing around with the cars to make better racing, which did work in 2022,

but certainly not now, there's a lot of complaints that it was kind of like,

well, we don't want Formula One to be a spec series, but then equally when a team's

40 seconds up the road, we're all complaining. So, you know, that's just the way it goes.

I've swallowed a drink the wrong way down, so I'm currently trying to clear it out my lungs

as we head to the next thing we're going to talk about, which is some racing incidents.

First and foremost, we'll talk about bearman versus signs, which

both of them were sent pirouetting around. We listened to commentary, we both watched

it on Sky, don't we, Tommy? And I think they were suggesting that it was a racing incident.

Are they seem to convince that it was science? They're almost going like, oh,

we're there investigating science for his penalty, but I actually think they made

the right call on this call. Yeah, they were both being investigated,

weren't they? And for me, it's a bearman penalty every day of the week.

He wasn't enough alongside to go for that move on signs, and it's a pretty daring move anyway,

isn't it, for Oli to chuck it down the inside there? Was it science overtaking? I need to

check this. I'm pretty sure it was science overtaking bearman, but bearman just didn't

back out. Or was it the other way around? I thought it was science. So, signs was ahead

of bearman. Signs was ahead of bearman going to the next corner. Signs overtook bearman yet,

but then signs is then the lead car. Yeah, it's definitely the lead car, yeah, yeah.

Yeah, so for me and for the stewards, it's a bearman overtake. In fact, I think I've got the

FIA document right here where it says, car 87 causing a collision. So, the stewards reviewed

video and in-car video evidence. Car 55 attempted to overtake car 87 on the outside

into turn four and had its front axle, a head of the front axle of car 87 at the apex,

therefore earning the right to the racing line. The driver of car 87 defended the position on the

inside instead of giving up the position and caused the collision. The stewards determined that

basically Oli bearman is predominantly at fault and therefore the standard penalty for such

incidents is applied. Yeah, so that's how I saw it as well. That was a fair one. In my opinion,

I think they made the right choice there. But then for me, I've watched this back.

The S-Span Ocon one is an absolute joke. That's a penalty. I don't think that's a penalty at all.

And obviously, of course, we'll mention Charlotte Clair at Monza and I know it's a very different,

you know, because it was years ago. And just because that was potentially wrong

in some people's eyes, not maths of course. It's incorrect, but I think Ocon's very

unlucky there personally. He's squeezed him, but... I mean, by the letter of the law though,

like, Stroll is entitled to, as they're breaking into that next chicane, Stroll is easily halfway

alongside. He's entitled to some room there and his right front tyre is on the dirt outside of

the white line. So what can the stewards do there? Call that a racing incident, but why?

But he's not halfway alongside until he's breaking later and going for that gap.

So I personally think it's tough on Ocon. I guess where they've maybe measured it though,

because they don't measure at the apex. And I guess when Lance's sideways is the closest thing to

them being at the apex. But then this is where the inconsistency lies, because then you go back

and watch the Lawson and Sonoda incident and Sonoda is squeezing Lawson and not letting him have any

room. And they both go off and Lawson has to give the place back to Sonoda. So like,

how is that not Yuki's fault based on what happened to Ocon? Like, this is where the

consistencies kind of annoy people, I guess, because I'm watching that and Yuki Sonoda has

squeezed Lawson as much as he has, you know, as much as kind of Ocon has. And Ocon's got a penalty.

But Sonoda didn't stay on the track. Both of them cut the chicane.

Yeah. So why would then, yeah, but then why would Sonoda have to be allowed to be let through

again? Because Lawson's, yeah, Lawson's overtaking Sonoda. And Sonoda, one has squeezed him and two

not stayed on the track himself. So how is that, how is that deemed that Sonoda has to let Lawson,

sorry, Lawson has to let Sonoda back through. That's completely unfair on Lawson in my opinion.

But I'm watching, watching it once again. Yeah. So Sonoda does allow the space just about

they both then cut the corner. I think the stewards will deem that as Lawson has not completed

the move and therefore he has cut the corner in order to be ahead of Sonoda. So I can see why

they've, they've called that decision because Lawson has not completed the move. Yes, you

could argue that there's been a squeeze and a tire bash. But has he left racing room,

I guess, maybe, but he's not entitled Lawson is at the point of the apex Lawson is not

entitled to go around the outside of Sonoda there into the first part of the second chicane.

So that's why you see then why is Stroll allowed to do that?

Because Stroll is a much more alongside if you actually do the freeze frame. I know that

probably part of that is because he's out of control. But I'm just I'm not saying I agree

with the racing rules. But this is where this is where who'd want to be a steward because

yeah, because it is it's debatable, right? It is. It's absolutely debatable. But they are

different incidents. I think comparing them as like for like is not is not fair because Stroll

was pushed off the off the track. But yeah, plenty of incidents there. Let's now go to

biggest winner driver or team. So someone we crown to say congratulations. You have you

have won P1 biggest winner of the weekend. Max Verstappen is an absolute shout for this

one. He's won by 20 seconds or just just under against the against the McLarens.

Alex Albin somehow getting seventh based on where he qualified is a big winner. And he's now

ahead of Antonelli in the championship, which is what a season Alex Albin is having.

What a season Alex Albin is having. That's crazy.

That's absolutely crazy that he's ahead of Antonelli. Maybe he says more about Kimmy's

season so far. I think both. Yeah. Yeah. I mean Albin's having a I can't believe he's

finished seventh. That is such a great result for him. Yeah. But I'm going for Max Verstappen

biggest winner. Yeah, it's got to be Max to beat. I'm a McLaren nowadays is incredibly tough.

Never mind to beat them by 20 seconds. Quite insane. And biggest loser driver or team.

Let's see. I think that I mean Holkenberg not even getting to race is quite sad.

They put into the pits with the hydraulics issue before the race even begun.

How do you even like that must be so gutting to be like, oh right, I don't get to race for

another two weeks now. Cheers. Who else can we throw in there? I think Carlos is going to be

fuming about his result because he looked like he was ahead of Albin. And it's not

gone right for him had the collisions and things as well. And just missing out on points.

Yeah, he's going to be raging about that one. But I think

maybe Alpine. I don't know. Just like just I know there are 10s in the constructors.

I know they're already 10s, but that was that was such a case of like, wow, Alpine are just the

worst car that they are. They are. But they also came into this weekend saying that their car

wasn't going to be great. I'm really glad I went for Collopinto points for my

Patreon prediction. Really good. Oh, it's difficult. Absolutely. Yeah,

Sonoda nearly got lapped by by Max around. That's not going to help his kind of, oh,

he might stay at Red Bull, which I don't think you will in being 13th.

Or maybe Alonzo. Actually, why am I talking about Alonzo?

Alonzo, of course. You already got points and got ahead of strong in the championship.

All right, let's lock in Fernando Alonzo. All right.

It's okay. Your favorite driver literally won the race. So yeah, cry me a river.

Let's now reflect on our prediction, shall we, that we made on Wednesday to see how we did.

It's currently 41-40 to Mr. Bellingham at a good surprise. I'm really glad I went for

Liam Lawson, who finished 14th in the end. So that is a zero pointer.

Indeed. And Carla Sainz also had a bad race. P11 thought, I thought I was on to this

when he was third in both practice sessions on the Friday. I was like, lock it in now, but no.

Alas, not a big flop. I went for Mercedes and sadly, they didn't really, well, not sadly for them,

but sadly for me, I don't get a point because Russell was fifth, Antonelli was eighth.

And I went for Lance Stroll and he finished dead last.

Well done, Tommy. Take the point. Hope you're happy. Let's go to pole position.

I went for Oscar Piastri, which did not come true because Max Verstappen

did some incredible things. And I went for Lando Norris, which he was very close, but of course,

didn't get it. Now to our top three. In third position, I went for Charles Leclerc, new.

And I went for Lewis Hamilton. No. God, we are cooking this week. In second place,

thankfully for the two to the swap, I get Lando Norris P2. It's a big, big change in

the championship for this one, actually. Because I went for Oscar Piastri. Now there's two things on

this. McLaren favouritism for Matt Gallagher. Yeah, I see it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Not only am I fuming

about just the situation in general because yeah, it's just ridiculous as I've mentioned in the

first half an hour of this podcast. Second, that the fact that it's screwed me. And third,

my top five that we do on Instagram would have been bang on if that's where they were.

And my heart goes out to you. I mean, not that you would have got any points for that,

because that's just a banter. True, but it's just shafted me in everywhere.

So you went for second Piastri. Haha. No points. And then in first place,

I went for Oscar Piastri, which was not correct. All right, for Lando Norris,

you finished ahead of his teammate, but didn't of course get the win. So no points for your

top three. One point for me. We now go to one crazy prediction. I went for one of the top

seven in the championship out in Q1. That did not happen. Can you imagine if

Albin had gone out in Q1, that would have actually come in because then he's now moved into the top

seven. But no, he did not. And Williams, double points I went for. And that was half a second

off from being right. That's that. Yeah, that's gosh. Wow. Yeah, that would have been

amazing if that would have happened that way. But no, no points for either of us. Very close

indeed. Patreon prediction. JP Falcon XR6 represented me and said Colopinto in the points,

and that was not even close. And also it wasn't close was Patrick. Strahlak qualifies Alonzo,

which he hasn't, he hasn't all year, which is quite mad. And it continues on. And it continues on.

So that is one point each. So it's the same. So we're still very close. Yeah, but one point

each. One point each from all those predictions about Formula One. That's crazy from us.

He's a lock-in for Baku. Previous 50 minutes of this. Yeah, exactly. We know nothing.

We know nothing. Family top three. It's currently eight six, I believe. It's eight five,

and I'm pretty sure it's eight six to the Bellingham's because we're closed in. How dare you

try and rig the results there? First and foremost, my girlfriend went for third place

Oscar Piastri. Beautiful. That's worked out perfectly once again, because that wouldn't

have been third. No, Tommy. My dad went for Alex Alban. Which at one point during Friday practice,

I thought, my God, he's actually cooked here. In second place, Ellie went for Leclerc,

which sadly did not happen. My dad went for Max Verstappen, which I remember thinking,

Max at Monsignet, I don't see. Yeah, it was one too low. It was too low.

And then finally, my girlfriend Ellie went for Lando Norris P1, and it did not happen.

My dad went for Piastri P1. So we are literally eight seven. The Bellingham's at one point

ahead in the constructors. I'm one point ahead in the main one. That's crazy.

This is going down to the wire, everybody. At least there's one aura championship going

on in Formula 1A. Yeah, we love this championship. That's it. We're done.

Thank you so much, everybody, but we're not done. If you're a P1 patron,

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Tommy, what are your final thoughts? Final thoughts are, thank you, McLaren,

for giving us stuff to talk about. And actually, well, thank you, McLaren,

because they're going to give us plenty to talk about for the rest of the year.

Because I don't think we've seen the last of, basically, that decision. That decision is

going to rumble on forever now. We'll go into Baku. We'll be talking about it again. And every

single play in this world championship is going to basically be under the microscope now. So

as long as it's fair, Tommy. 100% fair in every single way.

Yes, exactly. Right. Thank you, everybody, for tuning in, watching, listening. It's been an absolute

pleasure. We'll be back, of course, in a couple of weeks' time for Baku. Plenty of race review

content coming next week. And we've also got another Alex Albon juicy bit of content coming

out for you, I think, next week. So look forward to that. We will see you very soon.

Lots of love. Take care. Bye.

Good bye.

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Italian GP Race Review

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