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Alpine A110
The Alpine A110 is a small sports car that is really fun to drive because it's light and quick. It's making a comeback and is loved by people who enjoy driving.
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Chrysler New Yorker
The Chrysler New Yorker is an old, big car that was known for being luxurious and comfortable. It's popular with people who collect vintage cars.
Concept
Sonoma Raceway
Sonoma Raceway is a racetrack in California where cars are tested and raced. It's famous for its twists and turns, making it a favorite for car enthusiasts and racers.
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Ford Raptor R
The Ford Raptor R is a tough and fast truck made for off-roading. It's known for its strong engine and ability to handle rough terrains.
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Ford F-150 Raptor
The Ford F-150 Raptor is a special version of a popular truck that can drive really well on rough roads and trails. It's known for being powerful and fun to drive, especially if you like off-roading.
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Ford F-150 Lightning
The Ford F-150 Lightning is a fully electric truck that can be used for work. It's popular for its power and features that help with heavy tasks.
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Rivian
Rivian is a company that makes electric trucks. The R1T is their model that is built for outdoor adventures.
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Tesla Model S
The Tesla Model S is a high-end electric car that offers a lot of technology and performance. It's been around for a while and is known for being one of the best electric cars available.
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Tesla Model 3
The Tesla Model 3 is a smaller and more affordable electric car from Tesla. It's known for being fun to drive and having a lot of modern technology.
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BMW M3
The BMW M3 is a fast and sporty car that many people love to drive. It's designed for performance and is often compared with other high-speed cars.
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Lucid Air
The Lucid Air is a fancy electric car that can go really far on a single charge. It's part of the growing market for high-end electric vehicles and has a lot of cool features.
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Audi RS4
The Audi RS4 is a fast and sporty car that's great for driving on the road. It's powerful and fun to drive, especially on long trips.
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Audi R8 V10
The Audi R8 V10 is a fast sports car with a strong engine. It's known for being fun to drive and has a reputation for being very powerful.
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Audi S8
The Audi S8 is a fancy car that is fast and has a lot of cool technology. The 2015-2016 versions are known for being powerful and comfortable.
Term
horsepower
Horsepower is a way to measure how powerful a car's engine is. More horsepower usually means the car can go faster.
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0-60 time
0-60 time is how long it takes a car to go from stopped to going 60 miles per hour. It's a way to see how fast a car can speed up.
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LED interior lighting
LED interior lighting means using special lights inside the car that are bright and energy-efficient. They make the inside of the car look nice and modern.
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steering calibration
Steering calibration is about making sure the steering wheel feels right and responds correctly when you turn it.
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brake pedal calibration
Brake pedal calibration is about making sure the brake pedal feels good and the brakes work well when you push it.
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electric door latches
Electric door latches are parts of a car that help open the doors using electricity instead of a manual handle. They make it easier to unlock and open doors, especially in newer cars.
Term
solenoid
A solenoid is a small device that moves when electricity flows through it. In cars, it helps unlock doors by pushing or pulling on the latch when you press a button.
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Tesla Cybertruck
The Tesla Cybertruck is a new type of electric truck that looks very different from regular trucks. It's designed to be tough and has a lot of cool technology, which is why people are talking about it.
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Hyundai Ioniq 5 N
The Hyundai Ioniq 5 N is a sportier version of the Ioniq 5, which is an electric car. It's built to perform better, especially when driving fast on a racetrack.
Term
supercharger
A supercharger is a part that helps an engine get more air, which means it can burn more fuel and go faster. It's often found in sports cars to make them more powerful.
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EV
An EV is a car that runs on electricity instead of gas. They are usually better for the environment and can save money on fuel.
Car
Volkswagen Egolf
The Volkswagen e-Golf is an electric version of the regular Golf car. It's practical and good for the environment, making it a great choice for people who want to drive an electric car.
Term
DC fast charger
A DC fast charger is a special charger for electric cars that can charge the battery much faster than regular chargers. This means you can get more range in a shorter time.
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Plug-in charge
Plug-in charge means connecting your electric car to a charger to refill its battery. You use a cable to connect the car to a power source.
Company
EVgo
EVgo is a company that sets up charging stations for electric cars, so you can easily charge your car when you're out and about.
Company
ChargePoint
ChargePoint is a company that provides charging stations for electric cars, making it easier for people to charge their vehicles when they are away from home.
Car
Tesla Model Y
The Tesla Model Y is a small electric SUV that can carry more people and stuff than a regular car. It's popular because it's eco-friendly and has a lot of cool tech features.
Term
time attack series
In a time attack series, drivers try to complete a lap around a racetrack as quickly as possible. It's not about racing against others at the same time; it's about getting the best time you can.
Term
EV adoption
EV adoption means more people are starting to buy and use electric cars instead of traditional gasoline cars. This is happening because electric cars are becoming better and more popular.
Term
CVT
A CVT is a special kind of automatic transmission that helps your car accelerate smoothly without the usual gear changes you feel in regular cars. It can help save fuel and make driving easier.
Term
ICE cars
ICE cars are regular cars that run on gasoline or diesel. They work by burning fuel to create power, unlike electric cars that use batteries.
Car
Porsche 911S
The Porsche 911 is a famous sports car that many people love for how it looks and drives. It's been around for a long time, and some people think it shouldn't be changed to electric.
Car
Ford F150
The Ford F-150 is a very popular truck that many people use for work and everyday driving. It's big and strong, but some people worry about how safe it is because of its size.
Part
Euro mirrors
Euro mirrors are special side mirrors that help drivers see better and reduce blind spots. They are often used as upgrades for cars to make them safer.
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BMW E30
The BMW 3 Series is a small luxury car that drives really well and feels nice inside. People talk about it because it's a good mix of being fun to drive and comfortable.
Car
BMW 850 CSI
The BMW 850 CSI is a sporty luxury car from the early 90s. It has a powerful engine and is designed for comfortable long-distance driving.
Car
Rover SD1
The Rover SD1 is a car made in Britain between 1976 and 1986. It was designed to look stylish and was part of a larger group of British car manufacturers.
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Jaguar Etype
The Jaguar E-Type is an old sports car that many people think is one of the prettiest cars ever. It's famous for how it looks and how well it drives.
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Mitsubishi Delica
The Mitsubishi Delica is a van that can handle rough roads and has a lot of space inside. It's popular with people who like to go on adventures or need room for their family.
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Ford Explorer
The Ford Explorer is a medium-sized SUV that has a lot of room for people and their stuff. It's popular with families because it's practical and can handle different types of driving.
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Chevrolet C5
The Chevrolet Corvette is a well-known sports car that many people admire for how fast and stylish it is. It's a symbol of American car culture and has changed a lot over time.
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Land Rover Range Rover
The Land Rover Range Rover is a fancy SUV that can drive well on rough roads and looks really nice inside. People like it because it combines luxury with the ability to go off-road.
Car
Land Defenders
The Land Rover Defender is a tough SUV that can handle rough terrain and has a classic look. It's popular with people who love outdoor adventures and need a reliable vehicle.
Car
Lamborghini Kuntoshs
The Lamborghini Countach is a famous supercar that many people recognize because of its unique look. It's known for being very fast and is a symbol of luxury and style from the 1980s.
Car
Mercedes-Benz SL
The Mercedes-Benz SL is a fancy convertible car that looks great and drives really well. It's known for being luxurious and has been around for a long time.
Car
Chrysler Crossfire
The Chrysler Crossfire is a sporty car that has a unique look. It's known for being fun to drive and is appreciated by people who like different kinds of cars.
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Ferrari F430S
The Ferrari F430 is a fast sports car that many people admire for how it drives and looks. It's a part of Ferrari's famous collection of high-performance cars.
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Volkswagen Golf
The Volkswagen Golf is a small car that's easy to drive and good on gas. Many people like it because it's practical and has a fun feel when you're behind the wheel.
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Lotus Elise
The Lotus Elise is a small, very light sports car that is really fun to drive. It's designed for people who love speed and handling, making it a favorite among car enthusiasts.
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Hyundai Ionic 5
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Audi A2
The Audi A2 is a small car that was designed to be very efficient and clever with space. It's known for being lightweight and is appreciated by car enthusiasts.
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Volkswagen Gtis
The Volkswagen Golf GTI is a faster, sportier version of the regular Golf. It's popular with people who enjoy driving because it feels more exciting and fun.
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Jaguar Mark I
The Jaguar Mark I is an old sedan that many people admire for its beautiful design and how it drives. It's popular with fans of classic cars.
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Chrysler Pacifica
The Chrysler Pacifica is a minivan that has a lot of room for families and their stuff. It's popular because it has many features that make it easy and comfortable to use.
Car
Aston Martin Vanquish
The Aston Martin Vanquish is a very fancy sports car that looks beautiful and goes really fast. It's known for being luxurious and is often seen as a status symbol.
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Acura NSX
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Gordon T50
The Gordon Murray Automotive T.50 is a super lightweight sports car designed for amazing speed and handling. It's made for people who really love driving and want a pure experience.
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Volkswagen Id Buzz
The Volkswagen ID. Buzz is a new electric version of the classic VW Bus. It looks similar to the old bus but has modern electric features, making it part of the new wave of electric cars.
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Toyota MR2
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Lucid Gravity
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Alright, guys, big show today. Jason Camisa is in studio. Of course, we're going to talk a little bit about the Cyber Truck. We're also talking about the Alpine A110 that I'm handing off to him. He's telling a story about what happens when you crash your car on the way to featuring it. And Jay Leno's garage, we're getting a fleet update from Mr. Camisa, as well as a look inside what's happening in his haggity show.
And somehow he sneaks in like a 20-minute commercial for insurance. Jason Camisa is on today's episode of The Smoking Tire Podcast.
What is Hannah doing to you? I swear to God, I swear to God. I was injured from snuggling. Big spoon.
My left arm from being big spoon, Hannah, for overnight, whatever was six hours, I ended up with like a 20-minute dinner cup.
I actually hurt my rotary cup from trying to spoon my wife for months on end and on the left side. I'm just slowly unloading it.
Well, Hannah and I, people talk about sides of the bed. You can't do that. I have to, I get injured if I'm only on one side of the bed.
You have to, like, rotisserie. We change. We rotate. Can I just point out that I'm a lot older than both of you guys?
Just fabulous. Oh, just, just, yeah, right. I look all rising, you know, if people stood the two of us next to each other and said,
you can do a vote online, see, you know, like a vote. Zach and I are the same age. That's what people don't believe.
People think he was younger than you. People think he could be my child. Someone thought that. Someone did think. No. I mean,
someone won one time. Okay. Right. There's someone like a spin that. But like of all the people we met, that's the stupidest one.
You know what I mean? Like someone's got to be the dumbest one. It's that guy. One of the one with the worst vision.
Oh, great. And I'm like, you need an awful lot. Don't attribute to stupidity that which you can attribute to blindness.
That vision and stupidity. And yeah, you look so great. That's the next level of like, you know,
don't attribute to malice what could be the stupidity. It's like, let's take that one to its logical conclusion.
Don't attribute blindness to what could be oblivious. There you go.
Which is which is purposefully and what could be oblivious? What could be attributed to the fact that it's actually a cat?
You're just you're no longer talking to a Californian at that point. You live in your own little world and you're shocked that there are other people in your bubble.
Obliviousness. It's inadvertent.
Oh, there's a term that I was just, you know, look, we're New Yorkers so we can make fun of. We're New Yorkers living in California,
which makes us better than everybody. It's our job to make one of all these people and hate them all.
If you were found that being a New Yorker and living and working in California is like having a game genie on the back of your NES video game,
a New York work ethic in California is a cheat code. It is a very straight forward.
Is this being brought? Yeah. Yeah. I've been saying it for years.
You're totally right. Of course it is.
And the thing is I go back. I always think I'm such an asshole. Like there's so many times throughout the course of every like week that I'm like,
oh, Jason, you're such a dick. And then I go, I was just in New York. Yeah.
And I realize it's just not me. No, you have standards.
Why operate at the same speed with the same standards as a whole culture of people, like what's 16 million of them in New York?
And I come back here and I'm like, it's not me. They're the enemy.
A person I know well just got a new job at a company that's a very Midwest company.
I work for one of them. And they were literally told to slow down.
I was told Gene Jennings told me to tone down the toilet water was the code.
Because I walked in, you know, I'm like, you know, Italian shower.
Dracar, whatever the hell I was wearing. And she was like, tone down the toilet water kid.
You're not in Brooklyn anymore. She was good with the lines.
Yeah. But yeah, no, I worked, I mean, I moved to Ann Arbor and was there.
And I was like, what? And I lived in Pittsburgh before that.
So like I had a soft landing into the actual Midwest.
I did not know what to make a me and vice versa. And Ann Arbor.
Yeah. Ann Arbor. It's pronounced.
How did anybody end up at Ann? I mean, I guess to be close to this.
Yeah. Editor in chief of car driver was in New York.
Car driver in Manhattan, which is actually the stupidest place on earth to put a car magazine.
It is. I mean, I did for two years, me and Tom Morningstar and Gene Sanchez did a car YouTube channel
from 419 Park Avenue. Don't want to do that, right?
So he got sick of the everyone was getting sick of like the homeless people sleeping on the stoop of the office
and whatever else. And his, this is crazy story, true story.
David's mother was in an old age home in Toledo, Ohio.
Mm hmm.
And he was like, well, the halfway point between Toledo and Detroit, the car companies was Ann Arbor.
And so he was like, and of course he was a stock up twat anyway.
So he was like, well, and it's also a bougie college town.
I'll move car driver there. And that's how it went up there.
And then Gene.
Gene was a taxi driver in Ann Arbor slash crash test dummy basically at Chrysler Broome grounds.
And then she was, she joined car driver and then left for automobile.
Wow. And Ann Arbor never got any more interesting because of it.
I mean, it was terrible.
I was there for a year and a half straight.
And then I left moved to California and then spent the next six years going back.
Dude, writing about, look, maybe in the, when did they move in the 80s, right?
Most of them in the 80s.
No, it was earlier than that.
Earlier than that.
Okay. So at that time, communication, a little slower.
Right.
And you know, I suppose the, um, the focused on domestic automobiles a little heavier.
So there's a, there's a rational argument aside for the, that, that being close to Detroit
maybe made some sense.
Well, maybe in.
And not like not an hour away, which by the way, it turns into a seven hour drive.
That's a no.
That's a very tough one.
Yeah, yeah.
You could have just as easily been in Detroit.
But his mom, yeah, sure.
Sure, sure.
But, uh, but having to do automotive journalism in Michigan is as dumb as having to do automotive journalism in New York City.
And let's follow up.
For people who don't work in the, in the industry, one of the most important things is photography.
And we would have to drive four, five, six, ten hours just to get somewhere where you could take a single fucking picture once.
Yeah.
Also weather, because that would scrub everything up.
Also roads.
Yeah.
How do you evaluate a car?
There are no corners or hills.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's crazy.
It was funny.
There's, there's a woman that worked for automobile.
People building cars who have never left Detroit for people reviewing cars that can only review them into Detroit.
Yeah.
You have this aura boroughs of shit, of shit product.
It was, so I moved to Ann Arbor and I was like, where is there not a single hill and this Ann Arbor right who worked for us?
Who hated it?
Where's the hill?
She was like, oh my god.
You got to go out to this road and there's a big hill total elevation change, four feet.
And I'm like, I just move from Pittsburgh.
I'm like, no, no, no.
Hill is like, at least, we'll call a hill at least maybe 40, if not 400.
Sure.
Yeah.
Hill, four feet, four.
There's a curve mount.
No, there's a 90 degree curve.
That's a mount.
Because everything's on a grid.
So you get a 90 degree curve.
No.
No.
It was flat, but then jam, jam buried a real big cow there.
Now it's a hill.
And it acted as fertilizer and fertilized the bacteria which pushed the ground up by a whole inch.
God, that's just terrible.
Not my eye.
So anyway, so back to New Yorkers and that's why we think we're better than ever.
We are.
Sorry, sorry, we had things like hills and sunshine to drive cars in.
Let's be real about this.
We have my whole family, which is enough to ruin most of New York, but also rats.
Yeah, yeah.
For example, there's a flip side.
That piss smell is real.
It is real.
It's real.
We have this MTA.
I wasn't, I wasn't a New York City person though.
I couldn't, huh?
Oh, you mean?
I was a, I was a Westchester person.
Brooklyn originally and then from five on, five and a half years old on.
I was in Hastings on Hudson, which is Quest Chester.
Westchester.
Yeah, yeah.
What are you going to say?
They're going to be fucking cows over there.
No, let's not mad up the word upstate.
I lived 12 miles north of Manhattan.
You could leave my house and drive for eight hours north and still be in New York.
Yeah, yeah.
And I lived upstate.
Yeah.
Imagine, because imagine living in Encinitas and people are like, oh, yeah, upstate.
Upstate.
What the fuck?
The second you leave Manhattan.
Yeah, you're upstate.
Yeah.
Bronx?
Upstate.
Riverdale, that's how, that's how important New York City is to itself.
It's out.
Yeah.
I don't know if you're listening to New York.
Have I told you the fucking, my, my favorite New York story, occurred in Los Angeles.
There's a place in Santa Monica called New York Bagel in Delhi.
Oh, no.
And I, and I, and I went.
And I walked in and I, it, I was instantly taken to New York.
It wasn't, it wasn't an LA version of a New York bagel in Delhi.
Okay.
It was an actual New York bagel, Delhi.
Right.
And I was like, holy shit.
And the guy in the back is wearing the Yankee hat.
And I go, I go, this is awesome, man.
I'm, I'm super stoked.
I'm from New York too.
He goes, oh, yeah, where?
I go Westchester.
And he goes, oh, he rolled his eyes at me.
I don't know.
You knew he was real in Santa Monica.
I wasn't New York enough for this guy.
I think we might have discussed this like 10 years ago when I did your podcast for the first time.
But I made it to San Francisco and I found West Brooklyn pizza.
So I walk in.
And I'm like, excuse me.
Could you explain to me what West Brooklyn pizza means?
And he's like, what do you mean?
And I'm like, is this West Coast Brooklyn pizza, or is this like Western,
Brooklyn?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Or even worse, Stan Island.
Because this is the Stan Island pizza, then maybe West Brooklyn is the river.
I can't find it.
Yeah, I know.
But that's like a board and raised in South Detroit.
Oh, so that's Canada.
So the guy's looking at me and I'm like, he's like, what's the difference?
And I'm like, well, the difference is if I'm expecting West Brooklyn, like Bay Ridge pizza,
and you give me West Coast pizza, I don't fucking throw it at you.
Because I'll break your fucking legs.
And I was like, you are from Brooklyn.
He's like, yeah, from Brooklyn.
Oh, this is amazing.
Oh, good.
Oh, good for that.
All right.
But you could have just answered the question with, yeah, Bay Ridge.
Oh, he was a sarcastic Brooklyn asshole, which is exactly what I deserved.
Yeah, look, we're there.
Fort Hamilton, Bay Ridge, Fort Hamilton, right at the base of West Brooklyn.
Yeah, exactly.
I mean, respect to that guy for defining it so specifically, so far from Brooklyn.
Yeah.
He was only, he was so many people that he had it genuine.
Yeah.
In front of him.
Touring him over.
Right.
So we're both assholes.
Okay, cool.
Cars.
Cheers to that.
Cheers to that.
Hello.
Hi.
Welcome back.
Thanks for having me back.
I had to fucking lure you here with a French car.
Listen, I think everyone's going to be surprised that I'm in the same room with you.
Because the last time we were all on a podcast together, we were nice to each other.
I mean, we were.
But it was fun.
It was fun.
And Fort, can I just stay put in here?
Podcast theatre.
I have always hated that fucking type of truck.
And I love it.
It is.
It is.
It is such a double.
Double Andy.
Zach can check that off.
When I saw you, when we had coffee two weeks ago, and you said that, and I said, I was like,
LOL Jason hates the cyber truck and regrets the video, Zach says, well, we say that on camera.
Yeah.
Okay.
It's such a double whammy kick in the dick that I'm still getting so much shit about this.
Because, okay.
They gave you a journalism award.
That's true.
They did.
They gave you a journalist award for it.
And I fucking deserved it.
It doesn't.
You should, you should galagher.
Let me just make this very professional for a second.
It doesn't matter whether I like a car or hate a car, right?
No.
It's my job as a bit player.
You're a journalist also.
You're a journalist also.
You're a bit player.
Who is the intended audience?
What is this car's intended purpose and doesn't reach that?
Yeah.
Whether I like the car or hate the car doesn't factor in at all.
You didn't say you don't like the car.
You just didn't say it loudly and clearly enough.
I also apparently didn't say loudly and clear enough.
This is not our full product review.
I only drove the goddamn thing on location at Sonoma Raceway
other than driving once on the road.
This was an engineering story.
And this they gave you.
Yeah.
But are we engineers?
Yeah.
And I was telling the amazing part of this hyper truck
is all the engineering that went into it.
The not amazing part of it is.
Like the dick backs up by it.
The truck.
The truck.
The way it looks.
But that wasn't the scope of that video.
I think it was pretty much.
I think it was presented as a review and received as a review
by pretty much everybody.
It was.
It was a fine print that it's an engineering study or something.
But the message was barely delivered and definitely not received.
I would agree on both of those.
And look as a product.
Oh, it's a shit pile.
It's a straight shit pile.
And let me say we made a salad with one.
Can I just say the video title?
It is.
And the video title is exclusive 24 Tesla cyber truck full review
and drag race.
It is not engineering study.
Fair enough.
I don't look.
It's been so long now and I will not watch that video.
It did cut the shit out of me.
Like I did actually slice mine.
Yeah.
I really do.
Just like we did with multiple vegetables.
I give me a review.
Actually give me a Raptor R because I'm that much.
Oh, you really are a dick bag.
Yeah.
That's a dick bag vehicle.
You know, if I want an electric truck, lightning is wonderful.
A Raptor.
The lightning is the best electric work truck.
Yes.
The Rivians, the best electric recreational truck.
Yes.
And the cyber truck is the best one.
Oh, you do this because I'm going to shot the best.
It's the best rolling Seaghyl.
Is that demonstration?
It's the swastikar.
Listen, I don't get political.
It's the best tool for running over protesters.
If that's what you want to do.
Well, it just sliced them into pieces.
Yes, it would be like getting almost intentionally processed.
Yeah, it would.
Anyway.
It's more like a, I would say it's more like a mandolin.
Yeah.
It's a rolling mandolin.
Yeah.
When you see those shots in the shits just flying.
Some chefs somewhere will, will tell me what,
what tool would most similarly do to a vegetable that a cyber truck would,
because it's half a million dollars.
I would know it would be awesome.
If someone actually made like a scale little cyber truck,
two with important, you know, razor blade like front edges,
on like some kind of a mini crash test dummy track.
And they just sent it at vegetables.
I would watch that fucking TikTok channel all day.
All day.
You need an RC cyber truck and just, you know,
drive it.
Oh man.
There we go.
That'll be fun.
Do you think it's a question for you, Jason?
Because when I drove this cyber truck,
I was impressed by this nearby wire and I just thought,
okay, that is a cool technology.
But I think the truck is so bad at being a vehicle in so many ways.
Like there's the headlights accessing the bed,
seeing behind you, stuff like that.
If they had put that tech into Model S,
would that have leveled up the Model S in a way that would have reinvigorated that?
Or do you think it would have not gotten the attention of having a whole new Model?
I think it wouldn't have gotten the attention.
I mean Model S is, let's face it, 700 years old.
Let me also say, but I'm a firm believer that Model 3 is the best car on planet Earth.
The Highland Model 3 is near perfect.
And this is journalist Jason speaking like.
Yeah, no, it is.
I drove it.
It's actually quite lovely.
I thought it was the Model 3 performance.
I thought it was really, really nice.
It was great.
Fuckingly better than the last car.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
No, it is.
So on a race track, it's a fucking good time.
It's a really good time.
It's really good.
Yeah, it slides.
It did beat the M3 in that comparison.
So I did a comparison.
Yeah.
And we set out.
We were on like, I got so much shit between the cyber truck.
And then I did a drag race video where the M3 beat the Tesla.
And air all the fucking Tesla people wanted me dead.
And so on that one, I'm like, you know what we're going to do?
We're not even going to call this an icons.
We're going to call this a tread to tread, which was making fun of the old head to head.
Oh, yeah.
And I just, and I started the episode by I'm like, I'm not going to get you to convert between ice and EV.
That'd be like getting you to try to change your religion using logic.
So here's the deal.
I'm just going to ask five questions.
And I'm going to answer them in order to say which one should you buy?
And of course, I write this in the script and then Randy Popes in the background.
Unscripted is like, well, it depends on whether you're a right wing nut job or a, or a lib tart.
And we all fucking burst out laughing.
So we left that in the episode.
We recorded that.
That went over well in the comments.
It actually did it.
It shot everyone up because it's Randy.
Randy could do it.
Randy could actually kill a pedestrian.
And people were like, but it's Randy Popes did it.
I'd be glad to die by the hands of Randy.
So I really don't like, I don't subscribe to the you like a car company or you don't like a car company.
You like a, whatever, I just, I leave that out of it.
Like I can say with some degree of certainty, Audi has never built a car that drives well.
But it doesn't mean it doesn't matter whether I like it or don't like it.
Right.
I will evaluate every new Audi as a new car.
We could debate that.
I would like to have a couple of outies.
I've liked them.
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B7 RS4, I like.
I thought it wasn't universally, like it probably wasn't very good on a racetrack, but it would be lovely on a road trip or up to six or seven tenths or whatever.
I mean, the R8s?
No.
You don't think the R8s don't have any of the R8s.
The original stick shift V8 was the best of the bunch.
The R2, AC, and uncontrollable.
The V8 was nice.
A little bit understeer. You could back into the corner.
Can I say this?
Meanwhile, the only press car I've ever crashed is the R8 V10.
They were unbelievable.
I think my crash was my fault, and not the car's fault.
What kind of a truck?
It's a man who would track any money.
But I've driven other R8s on track.
I would not call them uncontrollable.
They were not dictable.
They weren't the best track cars.
But again, as road cars, they are so nice.
It's amazing.
Her cars are better on racetracks.
Audi's are great on the road, though.
The R8s are really good on the road.
Right.
I would take a manual stick shift to R8, and the engine's charismatic enough,
and the car looks good enough that I'd forgive the totally dead steering.
And some of the other stuff?
Yeah.
They're not really good on racetracks.
Audi's are great on the road, though.
The R8s are really good on the road.
And some of the other stuff?
Yeah.
They're not like, again, not my favorite.
But how about this?
The 2015-16S8 was a fine automobile.
580 horsepower.
The thing was like low three seconds to 60.
Good thing.
It had a lot of tech, but still had some real buttons.
It was before it went full spaceship.
First Audi to have the fucking LED interior.
But before they went overboard with it, that was it.
That is an excellent Audi.
I'd have to go back to my notes.
I mean, I'm sure there's something not to like about it.
But that is a superior automobile.
Final chassis tuning is something that Audi has almost never gotten right.
So steering calibration, brake pedal calibration,
programming the transmission and throttle to work together.
It's that level of stuff that they don't get right.
Otherwise, yes.
But I think that was before the generation of cars
that had the electric door latches.
Yeah, that one.
Like the door latches on the next gen, that wouldn't open.
Oh, I don't know.
So you park one of those cars on a road.
When you pull the door latch, it sends a solenoid,
a half a second command to unlock, and that's it.
And if you don't push the door open hard, I mean you're on a hill.
The door won't open.
So you pull it and you pull it and you pull it.
It's that level shit that fucking irritates me.
But my point in saying that was that I will judge a new Audi
based on a standard, with a clean slate, with a new car comes in.
Yeah, sure.
And I judge the Cybertruck in that way.
And it was the engineering that I was looking at, right?
Again, I don't think I've still driven a Cybertruck
on the road more than a couple of miles.
I don't need you.
You don't need to.
I don't need to at this point.
I knew I understood the tech that went into it and I did that.
You can tell how a car steers rides and handles in five minutes.
You don't need to.
And I did drive it for five minutes on the road.
And you drove it on a racetrack.
So like you also totally not relevant to what that car does.
No, it's not.
But like, but it was both from that back to the road is easy.
That's right.
That is true.
It's easier than saying, I've driven it for five minutes on the road.
Now let me assume what it's like on a racetrack.
Because you can't go the other way.
That is a good point.
And by the way, when I had a racetrack, because I did the testing
for performance electric vehicle of the year for road and track last year,
I liked the Ionic 5N better on the racetrack.
It was faster.
But I did like some things about the Model 3 better.
The low cowl.
The ability to put the steering wheel wherever the fuck you want
and not block anything.
That like chassis slider thing that you could switch the power
and brake bias to make it like real-time dynamic changes.
Like, right.
To me, with the Model 3 has best is just living with it, right?
It's the way the infotainment system works.
The way your phone works is a key.
The app that's on the phone.
Just the little, the supercharging network.
I mean, once you live with a Tesla,
you can't, none of the other EVs compare.
And that's the problem.
That is, to me, as a human being.
Sure.
Frustrating as fuck.
Because there are a lot of things about Tesla and its image
and whatever else that I don't really like.
And I don't like cars that are rolling political statements.
One way or another, that irritates me.
Because I have to say to people, people ask me, like,
what car should I have?
I'll ask them what their needs are and what their budgets are
and what their drive cycles are and what it looks like.
And I'll say to them, without question,
the best car for you right now is a Model 3.
And then I know exactly what's coming next.
I'm like, I'm not saying you're going to have one.
I'm saying that is the match.
And if you don't want that, here are the alternatives.
If you have a VW.
I think that's fair.
None of them come close.
In terms of the actual ownership.
I think if people really need to use public charging all the time,
they mostly don't.
They mostly don't.
I mean, I made a whole fucking thing about public charging
in my TyCon and blah, blah, blah.
Which by the way, I drove across the country with no plan
and it was totally fine.
Totally fine.
Totally fine.
It's been totally fine the whole time.
Every time I've needed you, but it's rare.
And 95% of the time I'm charging once a week at my own house.
I drive an eagle for the 100 miles away.
Yeah.
And I charge that once every couple days.
I don't even think about it.
I think I've decent fast charge that car three times in seven years.
Yeah.
The first percentage of Tesla owners is that don't own a home
with a charger versus other EVs.
Probably higher.
I know a lot of people, especially in the area.
That's probably higher for sure.
I mean, you just go to Target.
There's a supercharger, huge supercharger bank at one of the targets.
Two of them, actually.
Just go grocery shopping by the time your car's at 100%.
Yeah, that's right.
Because your average lift and Uber driver not to be disrespectful,
but it's California.
Probably doesn't own their home that has a charger.
By the way, for the record, if there's a fucking EA at a Target,
by the way, and you have another EV.
There's enough chargers to satisfy the population.
You can do exactly the same thing.
The problem is just the uptime for EA stuff was really bad.
It's true.
It's the second.
Well, here's why.
I mean, you know why.
Here's one reason why Tesla made their own hardware to work with their cars.
It's like having a macros in the PC.
It's Apple, right?
And EA is the PC.
And the other ones are the PC.
Everything has to work with everything.
That's a much harder problem.
Then there's third-party hardware manufacturers.
The second and third...
I think we're now probably Kyle Conner would kill me if I don't get this right.
But I think we're on the third generation of the EA fast charger.
Now when you go to a major...
They're all 350s.
Those 350s work.
Work.
And they finally have hired enough people where when you go to charging stations,
you actually see people there servicing them clean more.
And I've not...
Every once in a while, I'll see one that's down.
But I never...
It's never like it was in 2021.
It was.
2022.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it was horrible.
It was horrible.
I mean, now it's not...
I've literally never had a single supercharger not working immediately.
Yeah.
And it's just...
Boom.
That was...
That was.
And probably still is better excluding higher peak speeds that I can get with an 800-volt arc.
I pulled up to an EVGO DC fast charger in my e-golf next to a friend and a supercharger.
And by the time this fucking thing connected to my car,
charged my credit card and started charging,
he had already been charging for three and a half minutes.
And had like, already gotten 100 miles of range.
It was something like...
Well, that's a pretty shit charger.
I think as I have plug-in charge...
Right, which...
Plug-in charge.
Plug-in charge.
Which is where my credit card is...
My billing is done through my card, just like Tesla.
Right.
So the EA...
EA EVGO and...
Charge point.
All of them, if I plug-in...
It recognizes your credit card.
I would say the process takes...
I mean, realistically, I want to say it takes 30 seconds before power actually starts flowing.
That's not how it works.
It's roughly the same amount of time it takes to run a credit card,
but I don't do anything but plug the card in.
Okay.
So it...
And I would say that that works 95% of the time,
and when that doesn't, it's the credit card thing works now.
So like...
That's good.
I don't have a reason to defend something that doesn't work.
As I told people in the original video, I think...
When I drove cross-country,
the only charger that I found that literally didn't work was owned by Shell.
It was Shell's new EV.
And I think it's like a...
Not like a...
It's like a psi-op.
That's just...
They put broken chargers all over the building.
See?
See?
These are cascars.
Stupid.
Don't believe those are absurd.
Just to strand people.
That's right.
I mean, I kind of doubt it,
but it's...
No, it's a coincidence.
That isn't data, but like...
It is a...
I've always wanted to have the motivation to do that.
Yeah.
So would you want to have like a great electric network that encouraged people to buy EVs?
Of course not.
Oh, boy.
So, yeah.
Anyway, I agree with you.
Like the new Model 3 is a really nice car.
I know, I agree.
I did just drive a client's...
I had to pick up a client's new Model Y.
The suspension's still fucking crashing.
Is it really?
Yeah.
That's the one thing they fixed big time already.
Yeah, I did.
This was still crashing.
Now, it had like whatever the biggest wheels are.
And maybe you have to get the little wheels or something, but like...
I was like, oh man, that's a...
Because the Model Y is really nice, but it rides like dog shit.
Not good.
No, the 3 was good.
3 is really good.
Yeah.
The brakes didn't last as long on the track as the...
The Iodic 5N has real brakes.
Real brakes.
Yeah.
Have you driven a 6N yet?
No.
It's the same, right?
It's going to be exactly the same.
It's the same underneath.
Right.
It's the same underneath.
Yeah.
Who knows?
I'll tell you what.
I...
You have a race track and a 5N.
That is a good time.
It really is.
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I don't think anyone is going to, I think it's going to be a long time before people are tracking eaties.
Look, there are Teslas, of course, at track days.
Yeah, there's that like, is that Tesla Corsa thing still going on?
I don't know.
It was at Button Willow.
It was a time attack series, because they put superchargers there.
So you could, but I just think, I don't know if it's still happening.
This is part of my big problem with the whole EV adoption thing.
If it's not a better solution, then we shouldn't have it.
Sure, right?
And on a road problem with EV motorcycles.
Fair point.
If on a racetrack, an EV is just not a better solution.
Now, you're the people who don't give a shit about driving.
Get all these assholes out of their fucking CVT Subaru's that are plugging up every goddamn fast lane in California doing 38 miles an hour.
Get them out of these fucking ice cars and put them in an EV with it.
I'm sorry.
Hit the camera.
My time is here.
Yeah.
Just play all the way.
Some miserable shitbox.
Read the sign, fuckhead.
Read the sign, fuckhead.
It's dumping the bang and tape.
What did you think you were doing?
You can flail, but don't bang.
The audience seems like they're listening on their like cap, like eight.
Yeah, they're like, they're sitting in their one share with sunglasses.
Like fucking zoned in on Kameesa.
No, I can't.
Yes, they are.
And they comment.
No, I'm sorry.
For everything I've said and especially everything they've said.
Yeah, no, just get these miserable shitboxes off the road.
Put them in EVs.
I don't think we need to replace 9.11s with electric.
No, sir.
And, dude, I'm telling you, when you drop nothing will make you say that EV sports cars are not necessary.
You're going to text me.
You're going to get in this alpine.
Oh.
To drive back to San Francisco.
I guarantee you don't get 10 minutes before you text me something to the effect of, oh my god.
Well, say I have a very high bar.
Look at the shitboxes I own.
I know this is your kind of car, dude.
I know.
And I sold my lease because what if a lease but comfortable?
Well, I sold my lease because it wasn't experienced enough.
Well, this is, I mean, look, this isn't an experience that you wouldn't, don't position this
as your super special weekend car.
Position this is the best daily of all time.
Okay.
It's not a super special weekend car.
It's best daily of all time.
Best daily of all time?
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah.
Because it's fun and speed and pace with seemingly no compromise.
It looks great.
First time I've seen what in person was.
That's great.
It looks great.
And then I just drove it back from our other store to hear this morning, my last drive.
And as I drive you, I'm like, it makes me so mad.
And we've learned, we've got extremely in-depth detail about why that car can't be sold here.
And it's not just because Nissan and Renault suck.
It's because of the un belted occupant test.
It would not pass.
The shape of the roof would have to be changed for the US market to stop them from smashing them.
Because three states in the US don't have sea belt laws and all cars have to accommodate their fucking needs.
It's not crazy.
Even though the technology 100% exists to make it so the car will not start or run without a belt.
Yeah.
You could easily put that into a lock-in and have an exception or a waiver and sell it.
Otherwise, it's like totally.
I don't know how safety obsessed this country is.
Meanwhile, every F-150 is basically a six-foot tall, blunt object mass murderer.
Oh, and no one has amperture and signals.
Yeah.
And we can't have good headlights.
Oh, but we can't have convex mirrors that cover our blind spots.
However, my mandatory mod for all modern Porsche's is 100% is Euro mirrors.
You go to suncoast, shout out to them, and you get the European version of your car's mirrors.
Okay, so I have a story to tell.
And actually, it's mirror-related.
And it's going to seem self-serving.
Now count me in.
Well, I crashed my fucking car.
Oh, I crashed my rover.
Oh, so are you crashed not you not you were crashed into?
Oh, that's sad.
And it's because of that you're supposed to be a professional Jason.
Is it a good one?
No, no, no.
No, no, no.
But I'm showing him before.
No, that's not before.
This is the one you sent me.
That's not before.
It doesn't look like a before Jason car.
That looks like a middle-nether one.
Yeah.
That looks like a somewhere in the middle car.
Yeah.
Show the other one.
That one's worse.
Okay, hold on.
This is...
That's what I do.
Oh, front corner.
That fender's real crunched in.
It actually...
It doesn't look horrible.
Right?
Is it horrible?
It looks like the hood can be fixed.
The hood was so the other picture that's actually first is actually the car last week.
Okay, cool.
That fender is probably hard to see.
It's a metal cause.
It's fucking new old stock for sale in the UK.
$200.
$200.
$200.
$700 and shipping.
$200 and they basically...
Do you remember the opening scene from Ace Ventura where he's got the package?
Yes.
And it's like...
And he's just kicking it and doing whatever.
That guy delivered it to the body shop.
So...
So Leno called...
Oh, yeah.
Okay, Leno's people call me and they're like...
Actually, I think it was Jay himself.
It's like, God, what else do you got?
And I'm like...
I've done three episodes of Leno.
So he did the Sherlock, my Sherlock 16 available.
Which he seemed...
Moderately interested in.
Yeah.
A little bit.
Not really.
He did my...
No.
He did my E30 cause he'd never been in any third.
He'd never been in a Mark 1 Volkswagen.
He'd never been in any 30.
So he drives away a third wagon.
And he was like, okay, engine smooth, whatever, blah blah blah.
Moderately interested in that.
Yeah.
Jay's a great guy.
I wish he would say, I fucking hate this car.
Like, I know he can't do it.
He can't do it.
He can't do it.
To me...
I wish he would say to people, I fucking hate you and he can't do it.
I wish he would do that.
Off camera, he is a fully rounded human being.
He is, but he will listen.
He's...
He's the patience of a saint.
He will sit there and smile while people spit the dumbest shit on earth at him for 25 minutes.
You can't believe me.
My favorite is Jay in the studio after we're done recording when you get real actual human being Jay.
Oh my god.
He came in here on our 1,000th episode, fully eating a sandwich and sat down in front of the mic eating a sandwich,
gave no fuck.
That was awesome.
That was awesome.
I've proceeded to say something that had to be cut through the show.
He has sent some shit to me that I won't repeat to anyone because he has that Hollywood image.
That's all really good, like great that he needed to do that.
Yeah.
But that's why I say he's a fully formed human being.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So, but he was interested in the rover.
Third episode, he did my 850 CSI.
Are you driving these things down to him?
Yeah, I drive them all down.
So he loved that.
Yeah, of course.
That is a very Jay car.
So then he's like, what else he got?
And I'm like, well, let me bring...
Have you ever been in a rover SD1?
Absolutely not.
That's the Sterling thing.
No.
Sterling was a Honda.
This is a rover.
This is actually a British Leyland product.
It was done by Rover Triumph, whatever, blah, blah, blah.
Bring it to...
Three and a half liter V8.
Bring it down.
Okay.
So, I leave my house at like four o'clock in the morning.
This thing's got to be like, SEO death Jay.
It's going to get seven news.
So he...
But he wants to drive it.
I wanted to have this experience today.
Sure.
And I know he's going to hate it.
Don't care.
Right?
So get in the car at four o'clock in the morning.
And their...
The producer had told me they had a pool going...
...on how I would break down.
So getting it.
Not if.
Not if.
The theory being...
I think it might have been dead.
I realize this.
Those cars wouldn't have made a 400 mile drive when they were new.
Here it is now 45 years old.
Like no chance.
This is going to make it.
So I get up in the morning and I leave...
Like crack it on before in the middle of the night.
And I make a deal with myself.
No bullshit.
None of my normal fuckery.
No top speed runs on i5 in the middle of the night.
No.
None of my passing shit, whatever.
So I'm just right lane.
Just 79 in a 70.
Yeah.
Puttering along at 2200 RPM.
And I'm the deal that I made myself included.
No downshifts up the grapevine.
So the grapevine is a 4,000 foot climb.
Why is that included in the deal?
Because it's a 1960s era American V8.
And I know what I normally do on Thunhill.
Which is a lot of revs, a lot of low gear,
and a lot of...
Yeah.
Because everyone's a fucking idiot.
Yeah.
And they slow down to like 55 miles an hour.
Yes.
And your car can go uphill.
Right.
And your car can do 100.
You're 35, 45 on your own car.
We'll do 100 miles an hour off this hill.
And I'm about to show you.
Okay.
So I'm like none of my normal bullshit, Jason.
Right lane 50.
So as I'm driving along, I'm like,
I'm just going through like all the things I'm going to say to Jay on camera.
The thing is an incredible road trip car.
It's like it had the longest 5th gear of any car in production at the time.
So it was like 2,000 RPM's 80 miles an hour.
Yeah.
It's just comfortable.
It's smooth.
It's doing everything great.
Except you can't see a fucking thing out of the mirror.
Really?
Because if you look at the photos here, it doesn't...
No.
You wouldn't guess that.
So we drove to Edmonton to...
I bought this car with two friends.
I bought it out as soon as we got home.
First thing we do, we land in Edmonton, we get in the car.
And I'm like, oh, this fucking mirror.
I can't see anything.
We stopped at a Canadian tire and bought the little 1-inch sticky,
compact mirrors.
And they're on.
And the whole way down, the whole way down from Edmonton back to San Francisco,
we had whoever was in the back seat was doing like blind spot.
Check.
Like, because you can't see a fucking thing.
Weird.
The mirrors are not small.
I don't know.
They're not small.
Why are they in the wrong spot?
Really?
Something about the geometry between you, the mirror, and all the cars that you're about to hit,
you cannot see a fucking thing.
Plus they love to fall and drool.
Are they driving?
So you're constantly adjusting it.
And the adjustment wheel is a wheel that goes in, out, up, down.
And so you can, it's just sucks.
All the original road tests called the worst mirror's were useless and whatever.
So what I'm realizing is as the sun is coming up,
I can no longer see where the fuck anyone else is.
And so my, in my head, I'm like the worst part about this car.
Everyone talks about the British layman.
Build quality, whatever.
No.
No.
No.
No.
Make that comment today.
So I'm going up the grapevine.
And there's this, well, who knows.
He may sue me one day because I actually did bag in a fucking silver auto.
And he's now directly all the way in the right lane.
And he's one lane over, two lanes over from me, sitting there.
And I'm now foot on the floor.
Just started out the hill at like 68 miles an hour.
And I'm down to like 64.
And just la, la, la, la, la, la, la, up the hill.
And no matter, this, no matter who comes between us, no matter what's going on,
he's sitting there next to me.
So I got to move one lane over now because we're passing trucks who are doing like 30 up this hill.
And so now trucks are in lane number one.
You're in lane number two.
And number two.
He's in three.
I can't see the guy because the truck is so much higher than I am.
But he's directly next to you.
You see door.
I see, I see rocker.
Like, you know, the big silver auto.
And I'm like, what this motherfucker?
And usually when this happens, I can get their attention.
And I realize they're trying to take a picture.
And people taking pictures of the whole, this car the whole way down, right?
It's just looks like a spaceship.
No one's ever seen him before.
So I'm like, this motherfucker's taking a picture.
And I finally get back over in a lane one.
And I see him.
And I realize he's not taking a picture of me.
He's just not awake yet.
It's like 840 in the morning.
Yeah.
And he's just like, you know, one of these people in the George Carlin you say,
you know, just look at them and you realize there's a negative force field,
field around the.
Around it.
And so I'm like, you.
So.
So bother that he's just pacing.
He's pacing.
Right.
Same speed.
I have nowhere to go if I need to get away from him, right?
It's like, so finally six miles of this.
He's right to my left.
And finally there are, I see you up ahead.
There are two trucks passing each other.
And so I need to get in his lane.
Yeah.
And I'm like, if I downshift, if I slow down, I'm going to have to downshift.
I'm never going to get back up to 60 miles an hour.
The thing only has 133 horsepower to begin with.
So now I'm going to have to go into third.
I'm going to have to rev this thing to five grand.
I'm going to pop the motor and Jay's going to be right.
And this is not going to happen.
Let me ask you something.
Is it better?
You were in fifth.
Fifth, that like 2000 RPM.
Is it better to lug the engine?
I wasn't lugging it.
Yes.
Okay.
You weren't lugging it.
Yes.
But it was just to slow down anymore.
I was going to have to downshift, right?
Sure.
Sure.
But like, but it's pretty low RPM.
Pretty high throttle load.
Oh, yeah.
I'm like, is that better or worse for an old car than just going
down a gear and being in 3,000 or 3500 would have been fine.
But why didn't you just go down?
I would have gotten to go to Florida.
Rev the thing to six at six grand.
Bent a push ride.
I like how you like.
I can't trust you.
You can't do the thing in the middle.
You know, you can't just like.
You've seen the way I drive, right?
Yeah.
But also here you are.
Fucking with your foot on the floor going 59 and fifth.
Right.
There's something.
Car's a total of two things.
Well, I realize now I don't have a choice.
I love how analytical you are.
And almost like a perfectionist about like the things you write
and the things you say and all these things.
And then it's like, all right, just go down one gear and drive
like a normal human and the most accurate.
But I made a rule.
Like it would be okay.
If you said, Jay, I had to go to fourth for 30 seconds.
And then back then.
It would have been totally fine.
Right.
Okay.
So I had to lift.
But trucks are coming.
They're like half mile in the distance.
And we're approaching them relatively quickly.
Despite the fact that we're going walking speed.
Yeah.
Because it's guys like.
And so I lift off and I duck in behind them, get back on the floor.
And I'm like, oh, okay.
So at three quarters throttle, I'm pacing it.
We're totally good.
And he starts slowing down.
And slowing down.
And slowing down.
And slowing down.
And I'm like.
Might have been driving a little bit closer than I should have.
Yeah.
And I'm like, I fucking had it.
I'm going a third.
I'm just getting around this guy.
So I go to look over.
And I see in the sticky mirror.
There's a white centra.
And I can't see the white centra.
Any other way than in the sticky mirror.
And I'm like, where the fuck is there going to be a centra?
I'm like doing the Linda Blair thing.
My head spinning.
I cannot see the motherfucker.
And this goes on for probably another half a mile.
Oh, right.
And I'm like, I got to get out of here.
And now you start to get that like claustrophobia.
Like, give me the fuck out here.
I'm trapped.
So I'm like, you know what?
Fourth gear.
Totally fine.
Just putting my signal on.
And I'm going.
Everyone else is going to figure this shit out.
Right?
So I'm looking over.
And I'm looking over.
And I'm looking.
And eventually I figure the centra is going to come into the regular mirror.
Or I'll see him.
Or I'll honk.
Or I'll flash the light.
And I'll figure out where the fuck he is.
Right?
That's what's going through my head.
And I'm looking over.
And I just start to go.
Like, going.
I'm going.
I'm going.
And I'm looking over.
Looking over.
Looking back.
Looking over.
And one of the times I look over.
Bam.
And all I see is bright lights in front of me.
The truck came into your lane.
Fucking hit the brakes.
Because we were just about to hit the two other trucks passing each other.
At this point, we were not even in your lane.
Two lanes over.
And he hit the brakes on the fourth path.
Lane one and two were trucks.
He's three.
And he hit the brakes before passing.
Two trucks up a hill.
Was there someone in front of him?
No.
There was no one for fucking miles in any direction.
I was fucking.
Oh my god.
So he's just one of these like,
Bunk fuck.
Are you fucking kidding me?
Right?
So I'm like, all right.
I scratched the bumper.
Because the bumpers are like six feet long.
They're rubber.
And I'm like, there'll be a scuff in the bumper.
I'll ask Jay's team to.
The truck's filming over there.
Gaffer.
Gaffer.
Gaff just tape it.
Just film it from different angle.
Whatever.
And so I immediately.
Fucker.
So I go around him.
Because now we're going so fucking slow that like,
we're doing 35 probably.
I don't even know.
And I third gear.
Full throttle.
Right over.
There's just a pad.
I pull over.
And he stops behind me.
And I'm like, I'm not going to do this guy.
Because I will actually throttle him.
Yeah.
And I walk over and I look at the front of the car.
And I genuinely expect to see a scuff.
And you saw that.
That's all that.
I was like, the headlight is punched in.
The corner of the hood is bent down.
The front quarter panel.
Has an actual imprint of a silver auto.
He's bumper.
He's like, you could mount the headlight.
Like the front fender.
Like you took a fucking dental implant.
Print of a fucking silver auto bumper.
In your corner panel.
For the last Ford Focus had the headlight that wrapped
all the way basically up to the A-pillar.
I did that to the Rover.
Yeah, you turned a flat front Rover headlight
into a Jaguar E-type headlight.
That's crazy.
That was very upset.
So I saw that.
I was like, oh shit.
Oh.
So I walked back to the back of his car.
And the bumper's got this beautiful streak of turquoise.
The Persian aqua.
Yeah.
He doesn't even have the paint on.
And so I pushed in a little bit.
I'm like, okay, fine.
I'll cover his mirror and of his window.
And he's holding the wheel, staring straight in front like this.
And the guy is still not conscious.
Would you get...
He took a fucking hit to the rear and it's still in wakey asshole up.
And so he rolls down the window.
And I'm like, do I kill him?
And I'm just like, are you okay?
And he was like, uh-huh.
And I'm like, are you awake?
Uh-huh.
That's all he said.
I'm like, okay, give me a license.
And he was like, what?
I'm like, license and insurance now.
Sorry, I hate you.
He just looks at me like I'm crazy.
Take a picture of the license.
Take a picture of the insurance company.
He's like, and yours, I'm like, here you go.
Take a picture.
Have a nice day.
And I just left.
And he looked at me and he was like, whoa, whoa, wait.
I'm like, call my insurance.
You have it now.
And I got in the car and took off.
I was so mad at him that I was like, it's...
Look.
Yeah.
It's my fault.
What would you...
If you would guess an age.
What age would you guess?
62.
Okay.
So old but not that old.
Not old.
Not old enough to be doing.
He was just not either...
I hate to say this because this is like...
Oh no, I'm not revealing his identity.
Yeah.
I think he was either drunk or still on sleeping pills
or just checked out, but even getting hit...
What time of the morning was this?
Oh, so not that early either.
But he was clearly commuting to work.
Sure.
Anyway, so I just...
I immediately got on the car drives fine.
So I got on the phone and I called Leno's producer.
I'm like, hey, he's like, oh my god, you almost here.
Because I had like 10 o'clock was call time.
Yeah.
And I'm like, I'm gonna make it.
And I'm like, okay, so the good news is...
I'm on time.
Yeah.
He's like, the rover's still running.
I'm like, rover's great.
Except I crashed it.
And he was like, what do you mean?
And I'm like, well, I just punted a pickup truck
and I don't know what to do.
And he's like, well, well, we had a bet.
And so I guess you're not gonna make it.
I'm like, no bitch.
I'm coming.
And he was like, really?
You're gonna come here.
I'm like, well, you tell me.
I can turn around and just drive right home.
It's only four hours.
Or I'll come in.
And he's like, well, how bad is it?
I'm in the corner.
We're not gonna be able to film around it.
And he was like, just bring it in and we'll see what we can do.
So now I have another hour and a bit to think about what I've done.
And I'm like, I'm just...
I mean, you may be potentially possibly legally culpable,
but maybe not also, but definitely not morally culpable.
I mean, was there ever a White Central?
There was a White Central.
There was.
Yeah, 100%.
No.
I was waiting for him to fight for the part of this story
where we find out the White Central wasn't real.
I never saw somebody be like, I was in the White Central.
Oh, man.
And I saw the whole thing.
Either way, look, at the end of the day, I'm grown up.
I have to pretend.
I pretend to be a fucking grown-up.
If you're gonna be a grown-up, you have to admit when you've done wrong.
I hit another car and it's 100% my fault.
There's no...
It doesn't matter whether hit the brakes or not,
he hit the brakes while I was looking to the side.
It's my fault.
It's just shit happens.
Yeah.
So now I'm like, what do I do on this one?
I'm gonna show him.
And I made the decision.
I could get there.
I sort of initially decided I'm gonna get there.
I'm gonna say, guys, I'm really sorry.
I found out they had a backup car because they didn't think I was gonna make it.
So they're like, oh, we have a backup car.
He tells me on the phone, we have a backup.
Don't worry about it.
I'm like, but I'm so unlike, I'm just gonna ask to leave the car there.
And I'm gonna get in a plane because Leno's shop is at Burbank Airport.
Yeah, yeah.
I'm just gonna get in a plane.
I'm gonna fly home.
And I'm gonna get in a plane because Leno's shop is at Burbank Airport.
Yeah, yeah.
I'm just gonna get in a plane.
I'm gonna fly home and just pretend this never happened.
And I thought about it.
I'm like, I work for an insurance company.
Like, let me just...
So call my boss.
My lawyers are better than this person.
No, no, no.
No, I call my boss.
And I'm like, hey, listen.
This is pretty embarrassing across the car.
And he's like, oh, no.
And I'm like, do you want to turn this into something?
Or do I just go home?
And he's like, it's entirely up to you.
We don't work for the record.
We don't work, you know, my boss.
We don't work with the insurance side.
It's just two different orgs.
Like, we have nothing to do with each other.
Yeah.
But I've had two claims in the last 20 years of Haggary.
And they've been amazing.
They are quite a good insurance company.
It's unbelievable.
Yeah.
We had a claim when Hannah got hit in the Delica
and they paid me within six hours.
Oh, wait.
Oh, wait.
This gets...
It gets unblinked while fast.
They paid me.
I wasn't even home.
So I get to...
The Leno's and they're like, oh fuck what do you want to do?
I'm like, do me a favor and just let me talk about the insurance
for one second.
So, Leno, we recorded the episode.
It doesn't air dead.
I think it's scheduled to...
Did you drive it?
He did.
He drove it fucking broken.
Fuckin' loon it.
Really?
To the point where I'm like, good times.
In the car.
Wait to see this.
Oh, it's a good time.
Because in the car, I'm like, Jay.
So you clearly like the way this car drives.
I mean, he's like, why do you say that?
I'm like, you're going really fast.
And he's like, no, I always do as fast.
And then what you definitely will not see in the final edit
is the guys in the camera car who are listening to us.
They're like, Jay.
We can't keep up with you.
In the EcoBoost Explorer.
Solid fuck down.
He was...
He hated this car.
And I think wanted it to die.
He tried everything to kill it.
And both of us.
Really funny.
You know what?
Back in the day, when me and Rob Ferretti did the first to get
a ticket challenge, which the clip circulates on fuckin' Instagram
like every four months and racks up millions of views.
But nobody ever watched the full 20-minute video,
which they should because it's hilarious.
But I had to pick a car from the Gotham Dream Cars fleet
to go out and compete with Rob Ferretti
to see who could intentionally get a ticket first.
Because the thing you should never do.
You shouldn't have done it no seven.
You certainly shouldn't do it now.
And Rob had his C5 Corvette with like straight pipes,
a turbo and like a giant GT wing.
And I picked the Mercedes SLR McLaren
because I hated it so much.
I wanted an excuse to just beat the shit out of it
in front of cops.
Did you win?
No, I didn't, but my...
The clip of me became much more iconic
of the clip of Hanford Time.
Because I feel like a dickbag driving maneuver and a charger?
Or an ultimate?
We'll get you a ticket far faster than like a rich dickbag.
Well, but this was in 07 and we had a warehouse
full of exotic rental cars.
So it was kind of like pre...
It was before pre-rich dickbag influencer.
This was effectively like upscale, you know, like...
What were those videos that...
What's the guy Dustin?
No, not Eat the Rich.
He was doing gumball and shit.
Mischief videos?
Oh, yeah.
Mischief 3,000.
This was like upscale versions of mischief 3,000 videos.
Yeah.
Wait, but when you...
I'm so sorry, but I'm glad Jay hated the car and beat the balls off.
He did not say this.
Okay.
But now four videos in with him.
I know when he likes a car now.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
He did not.
Is it a manual?
It's manual.
Oh, it is?
I didn't put it together that it was a manual.
Yeah, so it's a manual.
It's a 3.5 liter V8 rear drive manual transmission.
Was it way?
3,210.
That's probably delightful, actually.
It is a really...
Oh, this car won the British Touring Car Championship in 1979-1980.
I mean, it's actually a really good car.
Have you considered doing like a touring car build...
Okay.
Now that it's broken, it's a good time to talk about that.
A week before, I'm talking to the guys at Haggardys Redline Rebuild team.
Different video team.
They do those stop motion videos that are really good.
Very cool stuff.
And we were talking, and he's like, I'm said, what's next?
We were talking about doing a VR6.
I was trying to get them to do a VR6 because I want to see
what that engine looks like apart.
And I think that would be really cool.
And he's like, well, I'm thinking about a Buick 215.
Because we haven't done an aluminum V8.
And I'm like, wait a second.
What's a Buick 215?
That.
It's the 215 CC Buick V8 that was all aluminum.
America's first ever aluminum V8.
What did it go in?
It was two years only.
I don't remember which car is it.
I remember which cars it went in.
They ditched it.
Rover bought it from them after seeing one on the ground at Mercury Marine
and it turned it into the Rover V8.
It's 35, 215 is 3.
Oh, it became the Mercury Marine.
No, it never did.
It didn't.
It became the Rover 3.5, which became the 39, the 4.3,
and the 4.6, which are in the Range Rover.
Yeah, yeah.
All the Range Rover.
Every Range Rover is used as a Buick 19.
It's 50 women made.
I'm going to make sure to remind every Range Rover owner,
I see, of that fact.
It's a Buick motor.
They got a Buick motor.
It was a Buick motor that they couldn't stop from leaking
because they fucked up a bunch of engineering on it
and they fucked the casting up because it was aluminum.
They didn't have enough experience with it.
So Rover actually, Bruce Layland, re-engineered the engine
for the Rover P6, 3500, and the Range Rover.
This is the original Range Rover motor.
So they wanted to do this motor.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And I said, oh, well, that's what's in the Rover,
and they're like, well, send us the Rover.
And I'm like, OK, so let me go to do Leno,
and then I'll put it on truck, and you guys all fly out.
I'll pull the motor with you, and then we'll build me something.
So this happened.
What can you do with it?
You don't want it with it.
My deal was, I dinoed it, put 108 to the wheels.
Nice.
In fourth gear, spinning 155 miles an hour.
So it actually showed up.
The gear is stupid.
The gear is stupid.
It's a fucking top speed, and like third gear, I swear.
So hilarious.
So stupid.
So it was 150, whatever it was.
But when I realized this, I'm screaming at the dyno operator.
I'm like, those are Fredestine sprint classics on it.
They were none of this thing should have ever spun that fast.
Yeah, they're like 120 mile an hour tires at best.
So we pulled the motor on the deal is it's got to make twice the power.
So the goal is 216 to the wheels.
So you just hold hot rod shit.
You're doing your heads.
So fucking your heads.
I can't put in like a chopper cam in it.
Are you?
Move it.
I wanted to sound what I asked for it.
Can you make a flat plane crank?
No.
No.
I want that dignified, elegant looking Daytona copy.
Because it's a copy of the Friday.
Yeah, yeah.
Right?
To sound like a friggin' NASCAR.
Okay.
And so I went.
Can you make it?
Have it make twice the power and not drive like shit.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So we're doing a mild cam on it.
So from the factory at 8.1 to 1 compression.
Oh.
So now I have 10 to 10 or 9.8 to 1.
Oh my god.
That's for it to be a 3-9.
That compression combined with that gearing.
Yeah, it's just about the weight.
10.6 is the weight.
It's the weight.
It's the weight.
And the 7,000 pound fly weight.
It's the weight.
So here it is.
It's the...
This is now fixed.
This is the after photo.
It's at a body shop in Michigan.
Okay.
Great.
I did Eurolites, Eurogrill, Eurobombers, Eurocorners.
So that is now a full European spec series one front end on it.
Cool.
And it rear bumper on it.
We're all the parts like $85 and $8,000 to ship.
There's a guy named Johan on Facebook.
Of course there is.
Who sent me all of the parts for free.
Oh really?
Because he loves the content.
Love the video.
I didn't love the car.
Oh, that's it.
I bought it.
So I had to buy the front grill.
What the invoice is.
No, I can't.
I cannot come in and transfer it over and over.
Defender.
I got from...
And the grill I got from a company called Rimmer Brothers,
which you'll have a lovely time with.
And the UK that just does Rove and British Layland Pants.
It was a lot of shipping.
Stop it.
Stop it.
That's all the parts division does.
We have all the divisions.
Anyway, so we decided...
It looks great.
But you have a chance.
Now is your chance.
Okay, so do you see the shirt?
You didn't even comment on it.
Jason's at me.com.
Jason's at me.com.
I figured you would at some point.
I set up.
I bought the...
That's certain that screw.
It's going to droop.
Hold the mic where you want it.
And then tighten.
They're all tight.
No, it was just drooping.
You moved it and then it was soft after you had my Rimmer Brothers.
Yes.
I know.
Clearly my microphone likes that a little more than yours.
Yeah, my thumb mirrors.
So I got the...
Jason's at me.com domain.
I told the guys on the insurance side of the business.
I'm like, you don't have anything to say in this.
I've just set up a thing where we'll just track how many quotes I can get off of this incident.
And the reason why is I would have much preferred to just ship the fucking car home.
Fix it and never say a word to anyone about this.
But if I'm going to publicly humiliate myself...
Sure.
...by admitting that I punted a fucking pickup truck.
I am going to get at least internal credit for this.
So if you go to Jason's at me.com, go get an insurance quote.
And here's why.
You said you had a claim.
I had a fucking...
I had a wire transfer notification.
One hour and ten minutes after the appraiser came off of the dollar amount.
No, to me the measure of an insurance company isn't what they charge.
It's how fast they pay you when you need them.
And how little fucking bullshit they put up to getting paid when you need them money.
This is the way it worked.
I'm Adlenos Garage.
And I'll speak her phone.
I call claims because they're miking me up to go on camera.
And I'm like...
And the girl's like...
Thank you for killing me, I agree.
Whatever.
And I'm like...
I have to make fun of the Midwest.
You're a accent.
And I'm like...
Hi.
Just wrecked my car.
I have twenty minutes to make a decision right now.
I need to get home.
How far are you?
Okay.
You have this amount of coverage to get you home.
Yeah.
You have this amount of coverage that's trip interruption coverage, right?
To get the car home.
You have this amount of coverage to get the car back to whatever shop you want.
You have this amount of...
She just goes through the whole thing.
And I'm like...
Okay, can I just buy a ticket?
She's like...
Just get home.
Like whatever.
And I'm like...
What about ubers and...
Jason...
Just go home.
It's fine.
So the next day...
I'll call again...
With that...
Traverse City accent.
It's really...
Jason...
Jason...
Jason, just get home.
Get on a plane.
Just be fine.
You've had a bad day.
That's not gonna keep...
I book a ticket on untied airlines or whatever it was.
Delta.
I...
We filmed the segment.
I leave the car at J's.
That night...
My normal guy that does...
The Wii ship cars all the time for filming.
He's like, yeah, I have an empty truck.
We'll pick it up.
I'm like, just send me an invoice.
Whatever it is.
That night, my car is home.
And I have a stack of receipts.
I text the adjuster in the morning.
I'm like, here's the flight.
Here's the Uber.
Here's the Uber home on the other side of it.
Here's...
Denner that I had at the airport if you...
Because she kept telling me just get home.
And here's the...
Whatever it was to ship the car.
And...
I had one hour later.
And a message from her,
Hey, fill out this form for your bank information.
And we'll descend it.
One hour after that, wire transfer.
And I was like, okay, that's fucking wild.
That's solid.
Then we ship the car to Michigan.
While it's being shipped,
I get a call from the adjuster.
Oh, I upload pictures of it on this lab.
This guy calls me.
He's like, hi, it's Tony.
And I'm surrounded by Anthony's.
I'm like, of course, you're off on your other Anthony.
And he's like, okay.
I spent a whole day trying to figure out
just exactly what a Rover-esque one is.
Cool car.
Like your video.
Because that was the source of half of my research.
That's funny.
So I found a bunch of parts,
and I went to the whole thing.
The thing you made a video.
No shant, right?
He's like, I'm going to send you a PDF of my appraisal.
And I need you to know one thing.
I have no idea where we're going to get these parts.
I'm looking at eBay.
I'm looking at whatever, blah, blah, blah.
Don't get mad if you see something you don't like.
Just call me.
I'm like, okay.
He writes.
We have a conversation.
We get off the phone.
I get a PDF.
It's X amount of dollars.
And one hour later,
the wire transfer came in.
Minus my deductible.
And I'm like, you have gone to me.
You've gone to me.
Cargo's to Michigan.
I buy all the parts,
boom, I just last week,
sent all of the updated invoices.
It's a lot more than they expected.
This car would have been totaled.
Yeah.
This is the key point here.
Forget about how fast they paid.
That's wonderful.
This car would have totaled,
been totaled 63.7 times,
if I had it in terms of anyone else.
Yeah.
But I had it.
Heritage is an agreed value thing.
So you discuss with them what you think the car's worth.
Yeah.
And you're talking about replacement costs.
Yeah.
Not market value.
And this is the nicest Rover SD1 in the US.
It's a North American spec car.
They only made a couple hundred of them.
1,200?
1,200 of them.
They're all gone.
Yeah.
And so we came up with a number of what we thought it would cost
to replace it with a Euro car and whatever,
because we'll never find another one.
And thank God I did.
Because it is now paid for and doesn't have an engine in it.
Unrelated.
Yeah.
It's a crash.
But if you care about cars,
you go get a guaranteed value.
So when Hannah got hit in the Delica,
which is on in on-haggedy.
First of all, the funniest thing about the Delica
is that it was the fourth car in my policy.
And it caked in a multi-vehicle discount.
So it cost you less.
And it's so much cheaper than all the other cars I have on this policy,
that my premium was negative $85 a year.
So the Haggerty pays me $85 a year to drive this car.
Yeah.
To keep it insured.
So it's actually not even worth selling.
It's just hit.
Trust me.
Hit the 10-car mark.
Well, I got it.
When I added the 10-car,
I got another discount.
Like my hundred-car.
It's subway.
Well, the Ferrari actually saved me money.
I got a refund when I added the Ferrari,
because now I think it's a car six.
And then when I got to 10,
it was such a big discount that they wrote me a check.
Get out of here.
I'm at eight.
Go for 10.
Oh no.
Okay.
You're people call me an exprensive friend.
You need not come.
You need not come.
You need not come.
So no, but when Hannah got hit,
it was during COVID.
And she got hit in a in a in a in a Delica.
All that was damaged
was the sliding door.
She got hit right in the sliding door,
which still opened, but was just dead.
So new door?
Two grand.
You could get one.
In Canada.
Oh.
Closest one.
Okay.
Shipping from Japan,
if I want a Japanese one,
$6,000 to get the door.
Sure.
Shipping from Canada,
I...
Hide of COVID.
This was like May of 2020.
I had to...
I had to send one of my employees from here.
In a...
Shipping was not possible from Canada.
Things weren't going across, right?
I had to send one of my employees from here,
in a rented Chrysler minivan,
to drive to the Canadian border
and meet a guy to get a door.
That's what you got to do!
Drive home!
And Hagrid paid for it.
Payed for it.
Payed for it.
They paid me.
It costs more in bullshit
to get this van fix
than I paid for the whole van.
And they paid for it.
This thing.
Yeah.
This repair costs
two and a half times
what I paid for the car.
What you paid for the car.
Yeah.
About the car cheap.
It doesn't matter.
That's the difference.
Yeah.
I fought with State Farm.
I fought with Progressive.
We've all fought with different insurance companies.
But when you can agree on the value of the car,
on the outset,
Yeah.
Before the fucking thing is crashed.
Which is why I'm doing all these commissions.
If you're buying investment,
great shit,
and the value goes up.
Right.
You adjust it every year.
I bought this car from some kid
whose grandfather left it to him
and he had no idea
what it was worth.
Who it, what it,
he didn't know anything about it.
Yeah.
So we stole it.
And that doesn't mean
if that would have been
a State Farm would have, like,
I know.
I used State Farm as an example
because they're my regular insurance company.
Any regular insurance company.
For my daily.
Yeah.
But they would have been like,
okay, we'll give you $1,600
and send you on your way.
And I would have had to mount
the world's biggest bitch fit.
Yeah.
There would have been lawyers involved.
I was putting that car back on the road
if it cost me five figures out of my own pocket.
Yeah.
Because I want the car.
Yeah, yeah.
Period.
Yeah, that's the point.
So this is, like, this is why I felt passionate enough
to make a t-shirt and whatever.
Like, got it.
You know, agreed value insurance.
Whether it's haggity or someone else.
Or anyone else is a good idea
if your car is special.
Yeah.
Make sure you have special insurance
on a special car.
If it's your daily.
No, they won't.
And they haggity.
I've tried.
But they don't own insured daily.
For good reason.
And you know what I mean.
They make you have a daily.
Of course.
Even if you only drive old cars.
You have to prove you have a daily.
Right.
And I really can be an old car too.
But you're not.
You can, but you can't be insured with them.
That's cool.
I'm hoping for headers.
I'm hoping for headwork.
I'm hoping for a can.
Definitely tend to one compression.
You know, your goal should be to make it sound like an alpha montreal.
You know, with a 2.8 liter V8.
One of the best sounding stuff.
Can you hear videos on YouTube if you play them?
Yeah.
Whatever.
Do Rover Vittess sound?
Or SD1 Vittess.
So Vittess was the homologation car that they made.
Okay.
It was 190 horsepower.
Okay.
I also would like to see what the race car looked like.
Was it cool?
Were they cool looking?
Can you do some race car bodywork on yours?
Like, is it?
Do they want to do this?
Do they widen it?
It's the only nice one in the country.
There's a guy coming around.
It's not a short.
It's a regular one.
Coming around it.
Around about it.
Oh, yeah.
The Vittess has like the deep chin.
The deep chin.
The deep chin.
The deep chin.
The deep chin.
Yeah.
Let's see.
This is what I want.
The 9 second long video.
I was guys drifts out of the roundabout too.
Like a boss.
Sorry.
Oh, yeah.
Open diff, I think.
Wow.
But that was so much noise.
The car didn't go anywhere.
It was so slow.
That is what open headers on 190 horsepower looks like.
Yeah.
It sounded like a NASCAR.
It did sound like a NASCAR.
I just want that in a way.
You don't want it quite that much.
You don't want it.
I want to cut out.
Don't you want to be able to make a car?
Oh, you want to cut out.
Yeah.
So I want to make it like, you know, normal.
Yeah.
Setting off car alarms.
It is actually, especially with this, with the, the, that chin splitter for that, that one.
Like, that looks good.
It's a pretty good looking car.
It's a good looking car.
And the US car looked so terrible that no one really knows what they own quite.
Yeah.
But I don't actually like that.
Oh, and there's to the Jamie, the good wood road and racing on the right.
Jamie Chadwick makes historic debut in V8 Rover SD1.
That's the race car.
I just love the body lean that snaps back at the right here.
I know what you're talking about.
I mean, it's a live reaction.
Real tight front head.
Just want it.
With struts up front.
Yeah, I just want to see what I want to see what the race car looks like.
It's a TR-8 underneath, effectively.
It's a TR-71 V8.
Okay.
So, fastest steering of any car in production at the time, longest fifth gear.
Oh, it's Marlboro livery.
Right.
Oh, dude.
Right.
Well, that looks good as a fucking race car, doesn't it?
Why is Marlboro livery so cool?
Because you want to fucking smoke.
Yeah, that's a good looking race car.
I like that very much.
Yeah.
So, I will now have a hot rod.
Brand new engine.
Brand new for an engine.
Pretty cool.
Is the gearbox American in that car also?
No, it's Triumph.
Oh.
Actually, no.
Hold on.
It was TR-8.
It was developed specifically for this car.
Okay.
So, it's a British Leyland gearbox.
British Leyland gearbox.
All right.
Can it handle double the horsepower?
Probably.
Yeah.
Yeah, because it won't get any more torque.
Okay.
So, it'll be...
I mean, it was...
They used them now.
Oh, the race cars are...
They actually don't have different bodies.
They just really have cool liveries.
They should.
That looks like an early car.
It should have a test that was probably too early.
Sort of a test.
There were two front spoils.
That's the rounded one you just saw on that car.
Yeah.
On that roundabout, which I don't like.
The early one was more angular and I'm looking for one of them.
Then they had a spoiler and probably don't exist.
They don't.
And it's just...
I did the Euro bumpers because the US bumpers were egregious.
The US headlights were the most hideous thing you've ever seen.
The US bumpers are always bad.
Pick a car.
Is there any...
Is there any car that...
Is there any car that...
Is there any car that...
Any car that had improved the US bumper?
Better than your own now.
No.
What was the worst...
The worst defenders...
I mean, Kuntosh's...
The truck was 16 valve.
It was pretty terrible.
Worst than a Kuntosh one?
No.
Kuntosh...
Yeah, look at that front.
Wow.
That is...
That's what...
The one...
Have other one downstairs on that is Spada.
They're pretty good.
The US bumper on that is Spada is really bad.
Oh, I just saw another car that the bumper was like two and a half feet long and I just couldn't stop laughing.
What the hell was it?
But Sherlock is 16 valves.
One of the worst.
We have...
Okay.
I want to hear before we...
We can take one of two topics before we go to the people.
Sure.
Do you want to tell me about filming in Chuck Walla?
Because you really had a story about that that you wanted to talk about.
Or do you want to talk about the manual swapped CLK Black series?
Because Zach and I are going to go drive a manual swapped SL-55 next week.
And I have a theory that if it can be done more affordably than with the Ferraris,
manual swapped 2000s era Mercedes could be an untapped area of fond for enthusiasts.
Oh, my God.
I want to talk about both of them.
Pick one.
The...
Black series.
Black series.
Okay.
They'll learn about Chuck Walla later.
I drove them...
You drove a manual swapped CLK Black series.
Like an O8 or something, right?
Yeah.
It was...
Oh, seven.
I've driven a lot of manual swap cars.
Most of them suck.
You have throttle calibration issues.
You know, a lot of...
And Mercedes especially does very strange throttle calibration where you have kind of nothing,
nothing, nothing, and very linear bill.
And I expected this car to be a basket case.
The guy who did it's a guy named Matt Quick, K-W-I-E-K.
And he's in like Kentucky years.
And Tennessee Tuckie.
And he used all factory Mercedes parts on this.
So everything is a Mercedes part except for the drive shaft.
I think it was even when he had to modify it.
Other than the fact that it was telling you he had no ESP
because it was looking at the stability controls looking for a signal from the transmission,
it felt 100%.
I'm sorry.
The only non factory part on that car was the clutch disc.
Oh, sure.
You got from someone and wouldn't tell me who it was and whatever.
Whatever.
It's a clutch disc.
Car felt like it could have come from the factory.
Looked and felt and drove like it could have come from the factory.
All I can say is we didn't know that that 6.2 liter has throttle response
to rival an S65 meaning the BMW E90 M3 8 throttle body V8.
It throttle response is amazing.
That car is brilliant driving the stick.
I won't.
I drove back in the day a CLK 430 sport that had a manual swap.
What the fuck I'm doing now?
I mean, I don't know.
It was whatever.
I was shocked at how much like sporty it actually was and how much the gearbox
like really just sucked the life right out of it.
So we're driving this SL50 and I expect the SL55 or 55K.
Is it supercharged or naturally aspirated?
No, it's a supercharged.
There never was a naturally aspirated SL only.
55.
So I've also driven Matt swapped a 55 swap on a 126 coupe.
That car itself was a little bit rougher on the edges.
It was pretty fun.
And then I just drove a 55 case swapped Bogota that he drove.
Oh, that's like what mechatronic is doing.
That was shit like that.
That was fucking nuts.
I bet that was just absolute stupidity.
Could you steer it?
No.
Okay.
Control the content.
He's everywhere.
That seems really shady.
I mean, it worked.
But the black series, I immediately called a friend who's got a friend who has a black series for sale.
And I asked him if he would sell it to me and the guy's like having a Honda.
I would.
That could be what would a swap cost.
I don't know.
I think 20.
Yeah.
A Ferrari is like 25.
Yeah.
I was thinking to be something that could be mass adopted.
It would probably have to cost like 10 to 15, not 20.
You could do it yourself.
I mean.
There we go.
So that car, the manual swap car that I drove sold on.
There was a black car.
What did it go for?
I don't know.
Can you use the new mileage?
Yeah.
I want a mile.
I want a driver.
Yeah.
It was.
Oh, there you go.
That.
It was.
So what was the shifter out of if it was a Mercedes?
Probably an S.
Okay.
Yeah.
Or a crossover.
Was the gearbox.
That's okay.
Gearbox.
I remember.
How much?
They're all Mercedes parts.
So it's got to be either like a diesel.
Want to be able to handle the torque.
Yeah.
One of the diesel six beads or.
Crossfire six bead.
That's okay.
Yeah.
But I know this was one six months ago, four months ago.
How?
I mean, it kind of makes you disappointed that they never offered the car like that.
It's a probably could of they should have.
Yeah.
I mean, if he's using nothing but if Matt's using nothing but Mercedes parts on it.
Yeah, except for a clutch disc, it was all Lego and they could have done it.
Yeah, I would I would I wonder if it'll hold if it would hold I mean out of devil's advocate
I wonder if it would hold up to Mercedes durability cycle. It's not that much torque. Yeah compared to the diesels that you know and also the S
Okay, 32. Yeah
Which I think was a
Elbow's a manual yes in Europe made in the cross not in the right that it was right in the crossfire
Yeah, didn't have that much more less torque 100. They got a hundred and thirty-eight grand
Which honestly and you said I had no miles on it 20,000. Yeah, which I consider no one across that that's that's that's mild to medium for one of these
That's actually like
I think that card did what I think that's what it would have gotten with if it was stock
I think I think I think the gearbox didn't really add much value but it also didn't I don't track the price the same year same color
Same mileage basically auto and it went for 92 condition can be different, but a quick land went for 92 92
Holy shit, you can get a fucking black series for under a hundred K still with like god. Yeah, really that's why I want one
Oh, there was the one that I'm looking at is 92,000 miles on it and it's oh and it's like that's got to be cheap 92,000 miles
Yeah, I'm chia that's got the cheesy results. Okay, wait. Oh, oh wow. Oh most these are a lot cheaper than I thought bad
You want to talk about it, especially they made what 150 for the US market. They're rare. Yeah, 28 K out a 12k mile from a buck in a quarter
Absolutely the best driving the silver one of bid to I want I want to see sold wait
I want to see sold for 79 say that one. What is 79 grand get you on a driving Mercedes-Benz of all time without
Silver it is 75,000 miles had bolts replaced, which is the only you really need to do in them
Yeah, well if you were doing that if you were doing a manual swap that would be the kind of thing that could be done
In a while you're in there, you know, you probably I assume he drops the powertrain out drops up right now
Yeah, I don't know
Does he repover him the throttle response and everything to do now to do it?
That's the crazy part is from the factory the throttle throttle calibration was perfect for a manual
Perfect rev match heel and toe the only thing that was non non-op was ESP. Yeah, and a car with that much for
You know, I wouldn't mind having it, but all you and I you and I would be just fine without I'd be totally okay without it
When I was when I drove a couple of the manual swapped Ferraris getting the ABS to work was the and the Ferrari stuff
I got a so so I've driven a bunch of F430s that were swapped
This is one of these things that are really hard to admit
It's did not great because they're the engine that flat plain crank V8 they for the
Formula 1 the F1 car that a pedal shift cars they put no flywheel
Yeah, yeah, and so your absolute fastest shift let's say you do a three four, which is a really fast shift, right?
You still can't catch the revs you have to feather the you have to feather the throttle on the shift, so I but you
Yeah, and you kind of you kind of didn't on the
On the real the real ones they were better they were they were not good enough
I really liked the the manual 430 that I like the original one I drove and I thought the like the swapped one
I drove was fun the one that was one that I liked the best actually was
The one that was chopped up into that M18 new strados. Oh my god. Why do you think just because the body of the car?
Oh, it was like driving the lease, but yeah, yeah, but it was such a chore to shift fat
You get used to it you can drive around it, but this was a better manual than the first
Yeah, when you have a super light flywheel
And a gated shifter that becomes hard like when you've got like your 308 or my
328 or even a 360 a 360 is about the limit where you don't have to do the feathery bits and even the 308
I tend to double clutch even upshifts you do
Here's why that all of the Ferrari dog like gearboxes are when they're cold when they're cold
I skipped me is robot. Yeah, I skipped shifts second when I'm old and just because I know second is not even gonna happen
Right, I mean the first and second ratio is so close together in the 328 also
They would all do a skip shift and people won't even notice I start out in second when it's cold
Oh, yeah, because once I've covered a half and half a mile and second gear then second gears warming up
Yeah, yeah for for my car
I was like half a mile to a mile you use second and then but driving normally
But if you're in second, so I live on a hill and I start out in second
So by the bottom of the hill I know second is warm enough that I can go into. Yeah, but second is a 51 mile an hour gear in that car
Anyway, it's super it's super short
But I tend to I double clutch on an upshift
Any time the engine other transmission is cold, which is sure it's the time you're driving anyway
Yeah, you know, especially in all cars and so it's closed that down
I did the skip shift my car never required double double clutching but and and Donnie always told me that he
For all the rebuilds he did he said he's never had to rebuild a 328 gearbox
He said it's basically indestructible. Yeah, they're miserable, but indestructible. Yeah, yeah, yeah
Yeah, when they're warm, they're fucking wonderful rate. Yeah, I love my 308
I had a really good time in my 328. I don't miss it per se
But I will definitely be buying another
Transition era Ferrari at some point you should probably drive a 308. I know they're really light and fun
Everybody likes something. I mean it shits on every other
I've driven this on it's a Dino underneath not a 308 underneath and I just drove a 348
We actually in the ZR1 we did the icons on ZR1 and we had all the all the Corvettes and then a bunch of the Ferraris
C4 ZR ones are pretty good time they're a good time that and 25 grand for one of those is funny and real
I was like dick eggplant purple. It was colored. I know how far was gorgeous
It's overgain. It's whatever the fuck you want to call it
It was fucking amazing looking and then we had a 348 Zere Spetzale. Yeah, especially there
I could fucking couldn't contain the drool looking at that thing, but to drive
What year was that?
The serious especially the only the only decent year for the 348 was 94 the rest of the rest of like the
The Spetzale lost the grill on their tail lights and
Yeah, it doesn't it's not as pretty as the 348's are a great six tenths car
If you want to go for a nice cruise, they're cool. Actually, they were great that I slid that car around this
I didn't mean to it wouldn't
Understeer it was all ass all the time which is probably why I wanted to tell me low hated it
Yeah, because on the road, maybe that's scary on the track that was predictable
I got out of it Randy Pope is like what are you doing that old car?
Be nice to him. I'm like here's the keys dick back and he did the same thing around it was like this thing is magic
Oh, um, but the ZR one ZR ones are shocked oh shit out of all of us. Yeah, who news C4 ZR ones another one will not understeer
And it's just the most progressive slides on what a car those cars
They don't look like much, but god damn are they they are exceptionally good to drive. Yeah, they're funny
I had this is gonna sound very quiet. I had a tennis instructor
when I was in high school the drove one of those and
I don't be fucking I think exactly like all of who's fucking all the money and actually this guy went from a lumina
Z34 euro the four cam lumina to the ZR ones
So he was clearly had a fetish for American four cam engines
But was clearly kept by some granite woman. Yeah
But he let me drive that mother fucker in high school was like a 95 ZR one
That that left a mark that car. I couldn't but could not believe it
I can't believe the amount of noise and
Just great driving experience you get per dollar. Yeah. Yeah like that they're 25 30 grand
I will say that the purple one drove nothing like the so handling
11 out of 10 one of my one of the best handling cars I've ever driven in my life
The red one that I did the revelations video on it sounded twice as good
So I called the guy who owned that he's like they different years. Yeah, that the red one was a
First year so 90. Yeah, this one was a 94. Yeah. Yeah, which did you like better the the 90 you did?
Yes, except it had the full power light on which kind of
The 90 is the square nose the 94 is the round nose the 90s weird because it has a square nose, but a round rear
That was the first Corvette to do that and then it went to a round nose for the 94 95
Seriously, totally you have to notice it because in one of the best carflub scenes in film of all time
Wesley Snipes leaves a restaurant in passenger 57 driving the square nose Corvette and arrives at his meeting in a round nose Corvette
His car changes generation episode sponsored by the autism. It's one cut nothing happens in between
Departure arrival
Different generation of car nothing. It is one cut and nothing happens in between
But there but yeah, you like the early car because that late car I started to think maybe so you know they have
11 throttles on them so they have the regular throttle body and then they have another
Oh, let me do this
Correct. They're eight ITB's so there's 16 runners. Yeah
Then there's a the main the main throttle and then two others
At when you start the car. It's in regular power mode. You need the key to turn to like full power mode right
Yeah, yeah, regular power mode fires eight injectors the biggest injectors that they can put in that would could
Could fuel it at idle smoothly? Okay, so eight runners and
On the low lift cam lobes. This is fucking crazy. This is pre-vitex shit
So eight of the intake valves had were on low lift
And they had eight injectors on them and that's all the car ran on unless you were in full power mode
Full power mode at 4,000 or 3,800 or whatever it was
Your full throttle would flip open the butterflies
Breathe through the second set of intake runners and the second set of intake valves that rode on cams that were
Longer duration and higher lift and then fired eight other injectors to fuel those
And so you get a v-tec like ginger
And the 94 never sounded like it it opened up now it pulled all the way to seven grand in
Full power mode and ran out of steam at 5500 and regular so it was doing something
But it felt slow and it didn't sound violent. I wonder if it's one of those things that like
Even though it was better customers complained about it and they said all right
Let's like smooth this transition out because people don't like the off cam on cam thing
It wasn't you didn't feel a nudge like you didn't protect but you definitely heard something
And I think this car just might have not been either it was a change that they made between 90 and 94
But whatever that 90 I have an iPhone video of an accelerating towards me
But I could probably they're they're very underrated and they don't
They don't drive like they look
They look like they won't drive great, but the steering is like crazy sharp
Steering's good the ride is really nice
And they're a bitch to get it in out of but they're actually pretty comfortable when you're sitting in there
It's so stupid and like an interior is oh it's janky. Yeah, yeah
But like you want to go fast for for 25,000 30,000 bucks. That's a fucking hell of a call
Um
They're fun. How cool do that revelations episode because I have this video is the noise
So we weren't really gonna I didn't think anything of it. No one's ever talked about that
That like change over and then I start doing research on this engine. It's like wait a second
This is basically VTEC without the VTEC
Um mercury marine mercury well hold on
Mercury marine cast the block and and assemble the engines
Lotus do I know I know Lotus did all the top end work on it, right? No whole engine the whole engine entire
Okay, I don't know no one knows this everyone thinks it's a mercury marine. It's 100% Lotus
LT5 was 100% Lotus the only thing they shared with any GM product was the bore spacing because GM said a small block must have
Yeah, whatever the fuck no, it's a kick ass engine. Yeah, I'm hoping I do like a C4-ZR one
Let's go to the people because otherwise we'll be here all goddamn day and you've got to drive a French car
Seven hours home. It's not it won't be seven hours this time. I'm not locking it and and you're the problem is you're gonna want to take the 101
You're not gonna want to take
I just I we just shot for five days. Well, yeah, 21 degrees
Actual ambient air temperature. You know what that feeling that's I've yes, I've been to the fucking the
Arabian
Yield up by the EMT and when we're done filming he walked into us. Thanks for not needing me. Don't do this again
Like that's what paid you to be here
Speaking of page you to be here so have our patrons at patreon.com slash the Smogentire podcast
I'm getting a cut of this and no and speaking of paying to be here
The Smogentire is coming to Texas. We are gonna be doing live shows in Houston on July 24th and Dallas on July 25th with Christian James hand
Dallas dude. They're filling up quick. We have a big-time fan base in Texas
So come on down have a fucking cocktail with the boys
We are and I mean honestly you get to listen to us bitch at each other for a couple hours
But but really you get to see Christian James hand perform which is a privilege for all of us
Can we can we say that he's gonna be doing what he's gonna be doing?
Do you think he'd want us to share? I think he likes it when it's a surprise
Okay, we're not I mean he's gonna be doing his show
But I want to say what he's doing will be the most amazing experience of your life
He's gonna he's doing songs that are
Sort of car people
themed
That'll be good. It'll be a lot of fun. Yeah, getting to see him do his show is great. I found the video. Oh, okay cool
I'm sorry. Sorry. It took no let's listen to a zr1. This is just an iPhone recording. Okay. iPhone three
Listen
Oh, yeah, you can hear it switch cams
Yeah, yeah
Yeah, I said that to the owner and he's like
About he gave me who had a borla on it and he didn't tell me
Look, I'm putting the border back on I had to put it in stock because he brought it to bowling green and they give you like some like
Some hundred point rating and he got like he had to put the original exhaust back on
You get his hundred
You wouldn't let me park it in Corvette road
It had a borla on it. It had the wrong brand of battery or some shit. We'll be Dr. Muporn whatever
All concourse people concourse. Are you going to pebble by the way? I'll be there for the week
I don't know if I'll be there for the concourse today. Uh, you're going to quail. I don't know. I'm showing my manks
Oh, you have to go. Are you going to be a motorlux? I will be a motorlux. So do you know what I'm doing a motorlux?
I'm towing my manks to pebble with a bentega
I have the only I have the only toe package equipped bentega press car in the country
They got for me and you're towing a radial engine. Yeah, yeah
And I'm showing the whole rig at motorlux driving it right in
together
I am apparently going to have two of my cars at motorlux cool
We show E30 wagon and uh the Cosworth 190. Oh fun. Yeah, which I'm looking forward to
But I haven't you know quail yet. I'll be a legend's because of a German Carve or
They're putting my car is going to be in the manks booth at quail
And road and track is a quail sponsor. Anyone listening to this who works for the quail
I motorsport gathering please give me a ticket. Yeah, we could probably you can get a press pass
To quail yes
Now
I will we will connect later, but you 100% could get a press quail that is it's become impressive
No, no, you you you can and you will you will just make sure you heard it here first person
If you it would be insane if you didn't get a press pass. Yeah, I've been kicked out of far more
McDonald's
Wait hang on the Patriots we got these people deserve to be here. I'm not right. Not us. You heard it here
I'm not getting them
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Extra podcast also you get so good at this upsell bullshit. I just bought a t-shirt. That's it Jason sent me down
That's right. I said you just convinced me to do fucking 20 minutes on why haggardy's a good insurance company
So I'd say you I'd say you fucking scam me kill. I want to raise. I'd say you fucking scams your haggardy
You scam the shit out of me. I want people to be protected like I the amount of people that come over to me
these因为 I gethandling my car what you're an asshole you already did your goddamn plug
Okay, when dogs man servant says
Since year v whead would you ever add a golf or or or 32 to your collection I
No because I am not a fan of a wild ride especially front roadazz based old drive systems
Because if I'm going to have front old drive. I wouldn't be able to do burnouts with that said in mark 4 a
in Mark IV R32 sounds amazing.
I love it, I adore it.
Mark IV R32 is a nice car.
It's a great looking car.
Sounds looks, you'll smell it.
The best looking modern Volkswagen, definitely.
You go.
I agree with that.
Gin and Teconic State Parkway, absolutely love it.
What made you start the Excel file of everything
I've ever driven?
I had previously kept sort of a log of all the cars
that I had driven.
But when I started in the business, I very quickly realized
I would ask people, like, what did you think of this?
And they'd be like, you know, remember.
And so I was actually even right before I started
at Automobile, and I sort of made the decision,
let me keep my thoughts organized, because at some point,
these will become unmanageable.
And that has just happened, until it's were 19 years.
So it helps me.
Makes sense.
Joe says, if Jason could engine swap anything
in your garage, what would you choose?
I would have engine swap the Lotus Elise.
I would have Case Honda.
Honda, yeah.
And then I would have kept it.
M3 C-shells says, what new car model
is everyone most looking forward to?
Ruby on R3.
The R3?
Yes.
I mean, it looks very nice.
Have you noticed that nobody's been talking about the Ionic 5N
with the knobby tires that already kind of looks
like that a little bit, though?
Yeah, but it doesn't.
It kind of does.
It kind of does, but not good.
No, it's not as...
The thing with the Ionic 5N, or the Ionic 5,
was the size it looks.
Right, right, right.
If it was a golf size, I don't want.
That's true.
I like the little cars.
I do, too.
I like a little...
I love a little car.
I don't have to compensate, says, OK, whoa.
Oh, this is a slip of the tongue that I bought.
All right, wait, hang on a minute.
There's a lot of hypothetical stuff,
but I do want to focus first on things
that are actual Jason knowledge.
So like, OK, Fridolin Cox says,
in any of you ever drive an Audi A2, that would
be in a European.
I've seen them in Europe, the little hatchbacks.
Yeah, never drove them.
They're kind of cute, but I think it's just
a two-door version of an A3, right?
No, isn't it one-size-smaller?
Is it one-size-smaller?
I think it is.
I think all of those little cars are like nice to see
and putter around in in Europe,
but I think they might not make so much sense of it.
I mean, I want to pull those GTIs.
Do you?
Yeah, or any of the little GTIs, because I
want something the size of my Mark I.
My Mark VII golf is too big.
And that's a weird thing to say.
But when you live in a Bay Area, isn't...
I've found that in America, though, granted,
a car can be too big, obviously, right?
But I've found that in a country with more or less
standardized parking spaces, that a car that's smaller
than a certain size stops being beneficial in America.
Because you don't live in San Francisco,
I felt I agreed that way.
In the Bay Area, you have no standardized parking spots.
I guess New York City sometimes as well.
New York City, but a parking spot
is a parking spot in New York.
Doesn't matter whether there's enough one to do.
There's some parking spaces that aren't metered
where they're free, and it actually does.
And that's almost all of San Francisco,
plus the roads are tiny, and they're just really narrow.
And all my friends have a dinghy to have an i3,
because it'll fit on their driveway
between the garage door and sidewalk.
Little cars make sense in very few places in the US.
Barbeque sauce on Matidys says, are there any semi-modern performance
cars that you or Randy have driven on the track
that were slower than the grippy Pacifica camera car?
It's actually a Grand Caravan, even worse.
Oh, yeah.
Well, not necessarily.
When we did performance camera van of the year, three years ago,
we had a Sienna, we had a short wheelbase Grand Caravan,
and the Pacifica and the Grand Caravan did win.
Did win.
It was the fastest.
If he's talking about my van, China.
So our camera van has a license plate on it,
China, because her name is China, and she's my van.
So my van, China, if that's Barbeque sauce on the city,
that's probably what I'm asking about.
Yeah, it happens all night.
Did you put sticky tires on it?
We did.
We had all season fours.
Yes, yes.
Just the all seasons, which now have 21,000 miles of track
and horrible things.
And finally gave out this week at Chuck Walla in $102.
Half of the old cars that we shoot can't even come close
to keeping up with it.
If the 348 couldn't keep up with it,
the C4 Corvette couldn't even, I mean, not at all.
The C-R1?
The C-R1 couldn't keep up with it, not around corners.
And so I always have Anthony Esposito screaming at me
on the radio, like, come on, Jason, up, up, up, up, up.
That's like, you know.
Do those cars have good tires on them
when you're driving them?
Sometimes, sometimes not.
Yeah, sometimes, sometimes not.
But yeah, basically, there's no way a C4 C-R1
with good tires on it isn't outhandling a minivan.
It can probably, that van pulls stupid grip.
Genie with these stupid grip.
It happens a lot.
It's funny when it happens.
It makes us laugh.
But we've had similar things happen when we, you know,
film, you know, whatever, classic cars.
Frontwheel drive NSX says, in what world can we expect
actual driver's cars to make a return?
Or are we just doomed to SUV hell?
We are doomed to SUV hell?
Except that you can always buy old cars.
Yeah, or if you're like, really rich,
you can buy amazingly analog cars.
This is the problem, right?
Yeah, you have to be really like a problem.
The manual transmissions, analog gauge clusters and cars
without screens cost fucking seven figures.
Yeah, yeah.
You're totally right.
Yeah, I think we're doomed to hell.
And unfortunately, it's going to stay that way,
but old cars.
Elon's Musk, would you rather tag along
on a peak aerotop gear special or a parts unknown shoot?
Peak aerotop gear special, because I could learn more.
Yeah, I'd learn more about how to make television, I suppose.
And Tony Wardaine, like, I never watched
Anthony Wardaine's stuff.
Like, that was just not my kind of thing.
The traveling and drinking and, you know,
getting hammered and far play, that's not my demo.
Well, that was more no reservations.
Once he became parts unknown on CNN,
it was much more of like a cultural exploration kind of thing
set against the backdrop of food.
I've watched a lot of Anthony Wardaine
and the way that they construct episodes,
because he's like really heavily influenced
by certain directors or whatever, certain musicians.
And so they got pretty artsy.
And I think you could probably learn a lot
from one of those episodes.
Oh sure.
Well, it wouldn't apply necessarily whatever you do.
But it was really studying it.
It made me learn how much of Anthony Wardaine's genius
was in writing and then being able to read his own voice
over so well as opposed to, he almost never
said anything of real consequence in the moment.
Neither did Clarkson's.
Right, all correct.
Also true, like that's the trick.
You look at, you know, he's driving straight on a runways,
get all of his reaction shots, yeah.
And then all the information is delivered in voice over.
Which, of course, I've studied in there, man.
Yeah, which isn't, it's not like wrong or bad.
But before he died, maybe a year before he died,
I saw Anthony Wardaine do a talk at the Pentages Theater.
And it was awful, really awful.
I thought it was totally thought you were going
to say the opposite.
Because he was just sort of pandering
to a really low bar crowd.
And he was like, and this is what I got, diarrhea in wherever.
And this was, it was not some, it was not like, you know,
here's what I know about the world from years of traveling.
And then that's when I was like, wait a minute,
how does this dude turn into that show?
And I went, oh, it's all in fucking diarrhea and voice over.
Your audience right now.
Like, Camisa's so put together on his show.
And look at this.
Fuck, fuck, tarned out.
Turns out it's good at writing.
Um, let's see.
Zach, clap and cheeks.
Jason thoughts on doing a PX style video following
other person that changed the industry. Yeah, absolutely. We've thought about, I thought about doing
Gordon Murray and also recently, Akio, but it's tough to get the biography stuff right and that's
a lot of work and I would absolutely do either one of them, but they're both alive so I have to get
it right. Yeah, yeah, and that's just a time-sync that I would I don't have right now where I would do it.
Okay, Lee and Koo says, fuck Mary kill from each other's garage.
All right, so I, okay, do you know, I don't even know your full garage.
That sounds like a real shitbag if I list them all off all night. I will, I will, but I will, I'll
marry your Ferrari. Okay, I will fuck the bitch basket. Every real hard. Yeah, everyone does.
Red line ships. That's great. Yeah, real hard. And I would, and I think you didn't say you'd
fuck my van turn it. I would kill, I'd kill the, I'd kill the rover just because I have to pick
something and I'm not particularly interested in rovers. Okay. Okay, I'll list them off the pink spider
NSX, the vanquish with the manual. I mean, the manks exist, although it's in parts until
a couple of weeks. Lamborghini Kooontage exists, although it's in parts for like another year.
Tykon, Hannah's Delica, Hannah's Nissan POW, or Scooter. Okay, definitely kill the NSX because I hate
MSXs. Okay, I'd probably fuck the Kooontage. Okay, I guess everyone would. Everyone would.
And marry the pink car. Okay, that's, I think that's a reasoned and reasonable choice.
On brand for, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, pink car still has some warranty.
Let's see, Bush did 997, Jason, what's the ultimate icons episode you haven't been able to make yet?
There was one episode I wanted to do with 911 ST plus roof SCR plus singer because I think,
and we may still do it. I really think the 911 story is like a choose your own ending,
like 911 happened and then, then we had to make a decision between we, the company had to make a
decision. Do we do like ultra high-tech and really expensive or do we do more mass market?
And they've chosen more mass market and perfected it. Like current 911 ST is the best sports car in
the world, maybe potentially without T50. Roof. Yeah, let's say best sports car for less than a million
bucks. Mass market sports car. Yeah, nothing. It's even close. Yeah, they're fucking rad. And then
Roof, that SCR is like holy fuck. Have you driven a CTR also?
Imagine what I want. I don't, I want naturally aspirated. All right, we'll just imagine that,
but with 50% more power. That thing like all carbon, like it looks like a Porsche, but it's not,
like that's a different choose your own adventure in the way of like let's take the something,
the size and the shape of a 911 and make it bespoke and expensive and modern materials and
equipment and new engine, whatever. And then you have singer, which is let's take the old thing
and do it. And I want to get those three cars together. I think that is a real logistical challenge.
possible. The problem is, I guess with haggardy, you could have owners. You're more
much more likely to just get owner cars. I've talked, I've talked to all of the companies about
the singers, singer tends to be a little bit. No, they keep that shit close to the best,
though. That, that, that would be the owner. Have I told you the best way to get a singer press car?
It's really easy. No, the best way to get a singer press car is to very publicly drive an owner's
car. Oh, you'll have, they'll be, they'll be calling you. Okay.
Like the question that I have for you and you and the audiences, does anyone give a shit about
these 911s? Our singer turbo video did not do very well, whereas our 911s T video did do very well.
So you could chalk that up to one is a, a new car and, and, and it's a, and our business is a
should you or shouldn't you buy this thing? Right. And people who are looking for singers already
know if that's what they want or not. They don't need to know something about it from, from us.
I feel like even 911, like any 911, everyone already knows it's the best. And so, you know, I don't
that roof is so good. Yeah, they're not. They could really unseat the ST in a lot of ways. And
I don't know until I've driven all the price, but it's also like actual carbon. No, it's crazy. No,
I'm just, but like it's, so I don't know. There's scales of rich and that's one, one scale up.
And you know what I like better? Like our $35,000 challenge cooters. Cooters can be
sesultimate drag race replay. Um, that $35,000 challenge. Like that was a lot of fun. Like oh,
we forgot about the mini. We forgot about this. We, I sort of live in Getterland. And I feel like
I'm just kind of sick about hearing rich people land. Sure. So I don't know if the audience would
resonate with it. And therefore, is it worth the time for me to do that icons? I don't know.
I think it would be a fun thing to do. Right. Um, you know, to get to drive those cars back to back,
I think would be a good time. Uh, I think a challenge is finding the angle that a larger audience
would, right, understand. Yeah, yeah. I don't, yeah. It's not like, I don't, the view count is not
to be all an end all. But at the end of the day, I am paid by Haggerty to get eyeballs on what we do.
Yeah, yeah. And I don't want to shortchange anyone. I don't want to say I'm going to take all this
budget and do this, you know, icons are expensive in there. I lot of work. And I don't want to do
that to just have it have no one care about it. Like I did that with ID buzz. Well,
well, yeah, like you could probably do a roof. If you position it or because they're a name
that everyone knows. Right. And the whole history. And otherwise, it's like the coolest
case. Yeah. Yeah. That, I think that's, that's probably your angle.
Germany. And then maybe, you know, if you're doing that, you, you, you kind of, you could wild card it
with an ST, you know, sort of comparison at the end. That could be fun. I would bring in the ST
as the, and look what we have here. Yeah. Here's what Porsche. Here's what Porsche considers
light. Yeah. You know, and it's, oh, by the way, it's 600 pounds. Happy. You should do this for
living. That's good. Oh, I should. Yeah. Someone just give me a budget. That'd be great. Maybe
after I just did a 20 minute average commercial. They'll give me a budget. Yeah.
Shit. I'm not gonna give you one. I will have you do a campaign. All right. Two more. And then
we're calling the fucking game because Jason's got to go home. I like this one. Scandinavian
bugger flick. What are some cars that share similar driving characteristics, despite looking
nothing alike? Oh, we just sort of talked about the inverse, the inverse of this, which is the,
the roof, which looks like a 9 11, but drives very much not like a 9 11. And only looks like a 9 11,
as Cat Williams say, till a 9 11 pull up. Yeah. So what are some cars that drive similar, but look
very different? Wait, was that the question? Drive similar, look different, or drive different,
look similar, look different. Drive similar, look different. You know what? Just about every modern car.
Because there's one formula you're going to have. Stretching up front and multi-linging in the rear.
You're going to have a 500 CC per cylinder turbocharged, four cylinder with a dual clutch,
or a ZF88, everything. Yeah. That's a really great question, but I'd have to really go through my
every $42,000 crossover drives basically exactly the same. Yeah. Yeah.
Every, I mean, it's all electric power steering. Yeah, they're all benchmarking each other,
they're all sniffing each other's asses and running in circles. All right, let's flip it.
What are some cars that look similar, but drive totally different? Like I would say, like Huracan
and McLaren sports series. Yeah. McLaren drives like nothing else. McLaren drives very unique.
That looks similar. I
Toyota MR2 and a Fiat X1 9. I'm thinking about like Alpha 8 4C versus
the last one. Oh yeah. Yeah. One drives good and one drives bad.
Bad-ish. Not as good. I fucking hate 4C. I think it's sunk. They're so pretty. They're so pretty
characterful. Time will be very kind to them, because if it's pretty and characterful, that's all
that matters. And hand-built. In a collectible. It doesn't matter that they actually
understeer like fucking pigs. That's a matter. No one's going to ever track those cars.
Who? Tell me, Jason. Who was the person that insists on manual steering paired with a
flappy paddle gearbox? Who was that? Who was that client? It was someone who couldn't afford it.
By the way, a dry dual clutch from the Dodge Dart. I actually loved the 4C. I think it's
I love how Italian. Agree to disagree. All right, this is a good one to end on actually.
Jerry was a steak F1 team-kick, salver driver. That combining formula one and primus I think is
really the peak. So many references. I'm lost. It's fine. Let me just say chat GPT couldn't
fucking do that. Okay. A human F1 satirist that also loves primus needs to do that. Seeing the
release of the Corvette, ZR1X has me wondering, are we reaching the human limit of car performance
with these numbers? That seems like a lot more car than the average person can physically handle.
Where does it go from here? I feel like people have been saying that for a long time. Long time.
However, people find a way. People find a way, but what we are, we're definitely we have reached
and surpassed the limits of what we can use on the road. And we are actually reaching the limit
in that after a certain amount of G4s, you can no longer see around a corner. You can't see
your sight lines are now compromised because if you're at max later on a corner, you will not be
able to stop before you hit something. So we're reaching a limit. We've reached the limit of sanity
surpassed it by twofold. I mean, I watched Chris Harris's F80 video yesterday. He's pretty much
some of your icons and Chris Harris sometimes is the only YouTube content I consume. God,
automotive content, I consume it all. And he said that Ferrari has said that the 1200 horsepower
combined that that thing makes is that's it. There's no need to make more power.
Right. But this is what Ferrari is saying. So they're saying that this is, you know, we've reached
the limits of grip. Yeah. So for the road tire, Lucid Sapphire is not going to accelerate any faster
in a matter of basically what tire you put on. I think the new Naveira are just ran a seven second quarter.
Wow. I mean, so we'll have to get Miro back. He rules. So I mean, yes. But the truth is we've
reached the limit of grip. The only question is at what speed, right? And so now if you're at
the limit of grip from all the way to zero to six, you're at a 1.9 or two seconds. Yeah. But then
you're reaching the limit of grip from 60 to 120 and then 120 to 180 and whatever. And it just becomes
stupid. That fucking Lucid, I just had drag race. Sapphire. No, not even the sapphire. The gravity,
rem edition, scared the shirt out of me while I was testing it. That thing pulls so fucking hard
from 70 to 130. I mean, 1.10, 5 at 1.39 in a minivan. That's what you did. 10.5 with, by the way,
secret fact behind the story. Shit. 80 something percent stated charge because we did not have time to
fully charge it. It might even be fast. 139 miles an hour through the quarter mile. Zach and I
in the sapphire, it's Sonoma ran an 8.9 at 156 on prep on a fucking that I have to test wrong
direction and willow going into turn nine and stop a minivan at 140 miles an hour. 146 by the time
I was I Scott the notification on the fucking GPS. No, no, no, no, just no, no, no, no, no. The
answer is yes, we've beyond the level of capability and also it hurts. It's physically uncomfortable,
it's just not pleasurable. Yeah. So we're just in stupid land. My slow tycon, I have the slowest
tycon. Literally, I'm not sure it's faster than the real road drive one. I think it's the slowest
tycon. I am on the floorboard once a month for two seconds. Meanwhile, my e-golf, I'm foot on the
floor all the time. My beat foot on the floor all the time. Yeah, I do. This was fun. Thanks for
doing it. I was always good to see you. I look forward to your your text in 10 or 15 minutes of like
wow, this Alpine is something. It's cool. Provided I make it the gas station because you told me it's
on empty. No, no, it's not empty. It has a quarter tank. Oh, it's a quarter tank. It's French. I'll
make it half way to San Francisco. It gets like 38 miles an hour in the highway. A little car,
yeah, very aerodynamic car, little engine seven gears. It's going to be very fun. Our video review
is up of that Alpine, if you care. We got one is our we got our video of the manks about about
the 50% build point of my manks. And so that's going up on the channel. Please check out our
Instagram bio for links to the tickets for Houston. Also, wait, this is going up Tuesday. Okay,
yes. So we're this weekend. No, next week, two weeks, the 24th, 25th, Houston, Dallas,
come see us live with Christian James Hand. That's going to be fucking awesome. And love you all. See you
later. Bye. Bye. Bye.
About this episode
Jason Cammisa returns to The Smoking Tire Podcast for a lively discussion covering a range of automotive topics. The episode features insights on the Tesla Cybertruck, the Alpine A110, and a humorous recount of a car crash incident. Cammisa shares updates on his automotive projects, including his experiences with Jay Leno's garage. The conversation also touches on the cultural differences between New Yorkers and Californians, and the challenges of modern automotive journalism. Expect a mix of humor, car culture, and candid anecdotes from the automotive world.
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brake pedal calibration
Charge Point
CVT
DC fast charger
electric door latches
Euro mirrors
EV
EV adoption
EVGO
Acura NSX
Alpine A110
Aston Martin Vanquish
Audi A2
Audi R8
Audi RS4
Audi S8
BMW 3 Series
BMW 8 Series
BMW M3
Chevrolet Corvette
Chrysler Crossfire
Chrysler New Yorker
Chrysler Pacifica
Ferrari F430
Ford Explorer
Ford F-150
Ford F-150 Lightning
Hyundai Ioniq 5
Jaguar E-Type
Jaguar Mark I
Lamborghini Countach
Land Rover Range Rover
Lotus Elise
Lucid Air
Lucid Gravity
Mercedes-Benz SL
Mitsubishi Delica
Porsche 911
Rivian R1T
Tesla Cybertruck
Tesla Model 3
Tesla Model S
Tesla Model Y
Toyota MR2
Volkswagen e-Golf
Volkswagen Golf
Volkswagen ID. Buzz
Original notes
A CyberTruck technicality; the tragic life of his Rover SD1; why insurance is important; when small cars REALLY matter; the unsung Corvette King; cars are too fast; and more!
Patreon questions include:
- Would Jason get a Golf R or R32?
- Why did he create his famous Excel file?
- What new car are we excited about?
- Ever drive an Audi A2?
- Which "performance" cars couldn't keep up with Jason's Pacifica camera car?
- Rather work with Top Gear or Parts Unknown?
- Is there another Ferdinand Piech video coming?
- F/M/K each other's garages
- Which cars drive similar but look nothing alike
- And more!
Recorded July 11, 2025
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The Smoking Tire
Zack Klapman, Matt Farah
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