{"version":"1.0.0","episode":{"title":"Jay Gillotti Part 5","url":"http://getcarcurious.com/episodes/jay-gillotti-part-5","audioUrl":"https://www.buzzsprout.com/2134004/episodes/19255968-jay-gillotti-part-5.mp3","description":"Send us Fan MailJay Gillotti has written very well know books such as Gulf 917 and Porsche Decades.  This year a new book he is writing is coming out about the Porsche 936.  He has also written articles for 000, Panorama, Forza, Vintage Motorsports, International Motor Racing Research Center, Collier AutoMedia and Wayne Carini's The Chase.  He was also contributed to other automotive books like A French Kiss with Death, 1982 and Daring Drivers, Deadly Tracks.  He has helped out at events like Pebble Beach Concours D'Elegance and moderated many Porsche Events people like Brian Redman, John Horsman, Vic Elford, Derek Bell, Hurley Haywood among others. In this episode we talk about: -Favorite driver.-Politics in racing.-Least favorite thing about racing.-Favorite livery.-Most excited car he was involved with.Send questions and suggestions to  porschepatterpod@gmail.com https://www.circuitsixfour.com/https://www.instagram.com/circuit6four/https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/#inbox"},"annotations":[{"startTime":96.5,"endTime":116.3,"type":"car","title":"Porsche 936","url":"/cars/porsche/936","image":"https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d1/1976_Porsche_936-77.jpg?utm_source=commons.wikimedia.org&utm_campaign=imageinfo&utm_content=thumbnail","quote":"Alright, some of the things I can comment with this one is at one point he says 936 but we're talking about the 963.\nSo you know he means 963.","canonicalId":"car:porsche:936","priority":0.55,"confidence":0.85,"source":"hybrid-fuzzy+gpt-5.4-nano","data":{"explanation":"The Porsche 936 is a historic Porsche Le Mans–prototype race car from the 1970s. 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In this segment, he’s credited in an article as being especially important to the Porsche 356 Speedster’s story.","simplifiedExplanation":"Johnny Von Neumann is mentioned as a person who helped shape Porsche’s early following on the West Coast. The host says an article claims he was especially important to the Porsche 356 Speedster."}},{"startTime":233.4,"endTime":241.52,"type":"term","title":"WEC","url":"/glossary/wec","quote":"It's pretty dominant in some. But WEC, it's just not so great.","canonicalId":"term:wec","priority":0.35,"confidence":0.9,"source":"hybrid-fuzzy+gpt-5.4-nano","data":{"explanation":"WEC stands for the World Endurance Championship, a top endurance racing series. The host notes the Porsche 963 isn’t as strong in WEC as elsewhere, which can happen because series-specific rules, race formats, and competitor lineups differ.","simplifiedExplanation":"WEC is short for the World Endurance Championship, a major series for long-distance race cars. The host is comparing how a car performs in WEC versus other racing contexts."}},{"startTime":247.9,"endTime":280.1,"type":"car","title":"Porsche 963","image":"https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3f/2022_Porsche_963.jpg","quote":"Well first of all to me, I mean the 963 has won a number of races in the WEC and won some championships.\n\nBut Le Mans overshadows everything.\n\nSo people might not remember who won the championship or who won this race, who won that race.","canonicalId":"car:porsche:963","priority":0.95,"confidence":0.92,"source":"hybrid-fuzzy+gpt-5.4-nano","data":{"explanation":"The Porsche 963 is Porsche’s modern Le Mans–class hypercar built for the World Endurance Championship (WEC). In this segment, the host connects it to Porsche’s recent race wins and to the Le Mans conversation, including being on the same lap as the winning Ferrari.","simplifiedExplanation":"The Porsche 963 is a top-level race car Porsche built for long-distance endurance racing. It’s the kind of car that competes at events like Le Mans, where the whole goal is to go fast and last a long time.","imageAttribution":"Calreyn88 (CC BY-SA 4.0)"}},{"startTime":264.4,"endTime":268.4,"type":"topic","title":"24 hours of Le Mans","url":"/glossary/24-hours-of-le-mans","quote":"But a lot of people will remember who won the 24 hours of Le Mans.\n\nAnd you know our friends at Ferrari are on a three game winning streak there.","canonicalId":"topic:24-hours-of-le-mans","priority":0.7,"confidence":0.9,"source":"hybrid-fuzzy+gpt-5.4-nano","data":{"explanation":"The 24 Hours of Le Mans is endurance racing’s most famous event, where teams race for a full day and night. This segment emphasizes that even when championships are forgotten, most people still remember who won Le Mans.","simplifiedExplanation":"Le Mans is a famous race in France where cars race for 24 hours straight. 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This affects how loud the car can seem in microphone-based pass-by tests.","simplifiedExplanation":"A “front engine car” has its engine in the front. In this discussion, that layout is contrasted with the 911, where the engine and exhaust are closer together at the back. 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The host is arguing that when SUVs are vastly more in demand than sports cars, a manufacturer that wants to grow has to follow that demand rather than staying focused only on its traditional niche.","simplifiedExplanation":"The host is comparing how many people want SUVs versus sports cars. The point is that if one category is much bigger, a company trying to grow usually has to pay attention to where the customers are."}},{"startTime":1264.9,"endTime":1277.4,"type":"term","title":"federalization","url":"/glossary/federalization","quote":"Dick Fritz, who was an ex-Canadian employee.\nHe was doing federalization of gray market cars, including Ferraris.","canonicalId":"term:federalization","priority":0.75,"confidence":0.9,"source":"hybrid-fuzzy+gpt-5.4-nano","data":{"explanation":"Federalization is the process of making a “gray market” car compliant with U.S. federal regulations so it can be legally imported and used. 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