KLEEN MOTO & M8 FXR's #442

Welcome back to the fast life podcast. It's December guys. We made it one more month and

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Sitting down with the boys at clean model was absolutely a blast. We talked about a lot

of really cool stuff. M8 FXRs, performance baggers, the growth of clean moto and everything in

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the dogs out? Before we start, man, we really can't do what we did last time. We got to be adults

about all this. We're going to stop at a very respectable time. Yeah. Okay. So we're not,

my wife said, what time are you coming home? I was like, oh, 10, 11. I mean, it's not going to be one

or two. It will be too crazy. But you know, that was an unexpected, really good time. That was not

that I wouldn't expect it. That sounded fucked up. I thought that was going to be a really shitty

podcast. I thought that was going to be much better words. You never know what's going to become like

of one of those like, I don't want to stop talking. I was having so much fun. Yeah. Like going down

these, you know, the conversation pass, we were going that I didn't want it to end. Yeah. So yeah,

we had a few rabbit holes that day, didn't we? At the time, you guys were like really, I mean,

just kicked off the FXR Tour 2. Yeah. And y'all were just now fitting the motors into the frames.

And I mean, we still had what six or seven months left. Yeah. Maybe six months left. Yeah. Yep.

So those things were just frames and motors on the table. Yeah. And last podcast. Bro,

the amount of fucking love those bikes got when they came out. Yeah, it was, I mean,

overwhelming dude. It was, it was kind of cool to see someone appreciate the work you put into

something, you know, put a lot of hours and effort in those things. And how do you feel like

these, those builds, maybe the words elevate, maybe the words changed, altered, like y'all's

like idea of what y'all were going to be and maybe like what you, like you're in depth of like

building a bike. Man, it really brought us back. I think I don't want to say like it brought us back

to our roots, but we've been putting together, you know, little bobber XS650 bobbers and sports

was a stuff for a really long time and cutting them up and doing hard tails and all that good

stuff for a while. And then we got into the baggers, right? So we're, we're still building bikes,

per se, but we're really just bolting on a bunch of parts. We did a few, you know, we took those

things down to the frame and did a little internal wiring and, and some different modifications.

But it was nothing to the old level, right? And then when we got into this, it really helped bring

all that back, really elevated our welding game, like got back into welding and figuring all that

stuff out, fabrication and also like it expanded just kind of like the parts development mindset

and like figuring out tools and things to make that kind of stuff a lot easier for us in the

future, you know? So I would say definitely in terms of the brand, when you think of the brand

itself, right? It was built on clean muddle. Hey, they got a new light kit, you know? We're,

we're players in the light game, but that really, we've always from the get go said, you know, that's,

we don't want to hang our hats on that. Yeah, that can't just be it. Yeah. So building those FXRs really

allowed us to take some things that we developed for our own personal builds and then, you know,

offer that stuff to customers, right? So we got the engine mounts, those are out. We got the pivot

blocks, those are out. And then we've been getting a ton and ton of requests on the side covers and

then the fairing, the turn signals that we did as well. Yeah, those turn signals are sick. So

I mean, some of that stuff, it's the parts that have been released, the mounts and the pivot blocks

were able to produce those so that people can purchase them. I mean, some of the other stuff

we really have to look at, like, are we going to have to buy 50 of these things or 100 of these

things at a time before we can make them realistically feasible for someone to go purchase?

Because it's one of those things like it's going to be expensive. That's a big, huge block of aluminum.

And I think we used up a lot of our favors on these two builds from our machinist.

Yeah, we use a lot of our favors up on that. So yeah, it's going to cost us when we start

actually producing those things. Yeah, we've really been looking hard at that because we have had a

lot of interest in those side covers and those turn signals. Well, even if you took those side

covers and you maybe made molds off of those and offered them in, I mean, it's a shape, right? I

guess the billet aspect plays a part in it. But it's also like it's a unique shape that is not

available. And it could be mass produced in some kind of carbon or glass or even plastic,

and still solve the problem. Because if somebody can get, if you can offer a billet set, but they

cost $600, $700, $800, whatever it may be, but you can also offer $150 set that's the other way.

Yeah, because if somebody's going to paint them, hell, like the ones on my bike,

you wouldn't know that they were billet unless I told you that. And unless I say,

hey, look at the bike that's sitting right next to mine, that's what they are, the billet side.

So yeah, but definitely the builds help elevate the brand and bring us into the

cutthroat parts game. Definitely stretching in the parts development game. I mean,

it's awesome too to have folks that were around those events as well and learn from them,

like Heath Pinter and other folks talking with them on how to create molds and all these different

things. It's been good to meet all those folks that were from previous tours as well and then

get some of that knowledge from them as well. So I think that in terms of how

to utilize the FXR tour properly, you guys did it right. I mean,

the inception, the idea behind it was to create a challenge, push you to be better at social media,

push you to rise to the occasion on building a bike and showing up. And in between that is

all the lessons you're going to learn and the growth you're going to see within your brand.

Because you're seeing something that naturally might take place over the course of years,

being condensed down into one hyper focused build. If you take it seriously, I know that you

guys did. And I'll be the guilty one to talk a little shit here. We've seen a handful of people

not take this shit seriously the last two years, in my opinion. I don't disagree with that.

Yeah, I wholeheartedly agree. And that was something that we set out. So just from the

go, you sent out the letter came out. If you're going to accept this, you need to

realize you're still going to have to work your day job. You're still going to have to do

run your business. You're still going to have to do all these other things.

But you got to be ready to make that sacrifice. And that was kind of one of the things for us

when we committed to this. That came in the middle. Yeah, man. That was the crux of middle.

Like you came after. Yeah, yeah. And if we're going to do this, I mean, we're taking time

away from our wives, our family, you know, we're missing kids events and stuff because

we're in the shop, you know, we still we're still doing like a nine to five job on top of this.

So we're I mean, we're basically working two full time jobs. And then afterwards,

spending time with the family coming back to the shop at, I don't know, nine 10 o'clock sometimes

working till three and just getting up, like burning it down at both ends. So for us to

commit to that, it was like, OK, there's no way in hell that we're not finishing these bikes and

jolting them on the tour. Yeah, because seriously, like, at the end of the day,

all of that sacrifice we made, like missing all those things and taking that time away from our

families, like that would have, it would have made it worthless. Like, yeah, we not finished it. So

yeah, like took it very, very seriously. And actually, you know, going into it, you have a lot

of big ideas. I think one of the things and you know, I'm not a I'm not a professional bike

builder by any means. I built bikes, but this was the first one that was really under a timeline,

like you come into it with a lot of big ideas. And just from doing your day job and being familiar

with how projects run, you have to have a cut off date where you make a decision like, OK,

I need to throw that to the side and revisit it later just so I can get this bike done.

And there was a lot of that that happened. I mean, you know, we had the big grandiose ideas.

And but in the end, throwing some of that stuff out, we still ended up with that product that

I'm super happy with. I don't think I would change much on it. I've tinkered with a few things like

my bike, well, and his bike, too. We went two inches higher in the front before this tour.

And then I went to like, they're like 15 and three eighths in the back. Yeah. And it's it's tall.

So I love it. It wrote great. I'd never built another turbo bike. I literally thought it was

just on the jack. No, it's just resting. It's just resting on the jack. That's a tall boy for sure.

You get like literally get like on those creepers.

Slide right under it. It's ridiculous, dude. It's on. Yeah, it's fun, though.

I'm happy with the way that things turned out. And, you know,

I'd honestly, I would do it again 100 percent. And then to take those things out like, you know,

to the Mecca of motorcycling and FXR is taking out to California and actually like

Yeah, when? Yeah. I mean, that was completely unexpected and super cool. I mean, that was

amazing to see have other folks in the industry that actually do this stuff for a living as well,

like recognize like, Hey, this is awesome. Like, well, I think it's a testament to just like,

you know, like being hungry, like having an opportunity, seeing this opportunity as an

again, an opportunity to show like what you're capable of to see what you're capable of,

you know, and, and that's, I think that is the entire importance of the tour and

people taking it seriously. Yeah. You know, and sometimes I'm not, again, I'm not trying to talk

shit, but if it's an afterthought till it's the next event on the list, it's like, you see it

happen every year. And it's like, man, come on, guys, you should know this. You're the guy.

Yeah. You know, like, you should know that this should have been figured out before, you know,

and every year, I mean, dude, I know in my year that we did it, like I always times was like,

I think I'm at the, I think I'll be able to do it. And then the group, now we got you what you

need, you know, and, you know what I mean? 100%. Yep. I don't know what was going on this year on

the tour as far as like in the group, but it just seemed like a had a lot of dropouts, you know, a

lot of, you know, I guess it was said best, I think on We Lo's video, the highest of highs, lowest

of lows this past year, you know what I mean? Yeah. But I mean, still again, some sick bikes,

you know what I mean? Yeah. Like, yeah, those that did come through, I mean, they produced. Yeah.

You know, yeah. And I think you've had that the past couple of years too, though, right? He had some

dropouts and but the ones that did, you know, did make it, I mean, sick ass bikes and those bikes

are still hanging around these days and get tons of love. Yeah. Yeah. So hopefully the, you know,

I wish the same for these last two or two or folks, you know, ride those bikes,

take them and show them to the rest of the bar. Absolutely. Absolutely.

Dude, take them around facility because that's, I mean, that's what you built those. I mean,

obviously you built them to ride them right. But yeah, like you said, it's an opportunity and it's

a huge opportunity really when you think about it to be associated with the born free name,

you know, you've got an event that's, you know, I really, I really think that the opportunity is

internal. And I think that's the one misconception about it. I think that's why you see some people

not take it seriously, because the opportunity is in the results of what you create, right? If you

think the opportunity is just because of an entity that's going to somehow bolster you onto

some kind of stage, right? No, no, no. Your bike is the stage. Yeah. You have to build it.

Build it. It will, it will show what you're capable of. If you're only doing it because

born free is going to give you a share or the FXR tour is going to give you a share. Right.

You're not realizing that like what, what's what it is. Yeah. I mean, yep. Exactly. You know,

it's like, yeah, I mean, that's what I think it is. And that's why I think that, you know,

guys like Renny in the first year, he, he rose to the occasion and the bikes got tons of love.

Yeah. It's been in fucking music videos and shit. Right. Right. Yeah. Yeah. It's done well for him,

but he, he built it and then he brought it places. Right. You know, he showed it like

one of the gripes at the beginning of the, of the hotel was like, you're building a bike that

debuts at the end of the season. Yeah, I know. But it's also a perfect time to reach out to

mama tried and show them what you got and see if they might be interested. Right. Reach out to,

you know, the cycle showcase, get ready for Daytona, get ready for born free Cali and take

it and do the tour or do the rounds with it and show the world and you'll get the, you'll get

what you were wanting out of it. Yep. Yeah. That was one of the things that was really awesome

because as many times as we've, we've been out to born free for whatever reason, we never are able

to like make, make a lot of time to like go ride around there. Yeah. And I got to ride, like

finally it was a, like a thing with me. I wanted to ride one of my bikes down PCH. Yeah. And we

got to do that this year. I was freaking amazing, dude. So yeah, I'm super stoked. And we're guilty.

I mean, we trailer those things all around the country this year. We do, but we're going to

like different shoes and stuff like that. Right. Well, we did ride them. Yeah. At those locations.

Yeah. Yeah. Which was nice. Well, the thing is like, like say your bike,

you know, the road's going to eat that alive going from here to California,

bearing the lowers. Yeah. The heat, it's the middle of the summer. You know, like,

it's just not, I understand that, right? It's not. And I think that like

me early on in this podcast talking about you, Roger, Jim, oba, look, most of us have already

that's what we always say. We've done our miles, man. Like, you know, we've done

several cross country trips to California, to Born Free and other events. Yeah. We've done

several back and forth from Sturgis. You know, like we've, we've ridden our bikes. And for you

to get to the point to show these bikes and all their glory, they need to be clean when you get

there. Yeah. You know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. It was awesome to have a shout out

to Frank Rosales for allowing us to ship those bikes to his house and taking care of them while

we were off playing at Disney. And then we just got to go over and pick them up

after eating churros for like two days or whatever.

We just roll over and we're like, oh, pick up our bikes now.

Yeah. So big shout out to Frank. Thank you, sir.

This all dude. Yeah. I'm actually interested. I'm interested to see what comes out of the tour

next year and, you know, see what guys from the tour capitalize off their builds. Yeah. Taking

it places, you know. Yeah. Yeah. It's interesting to see. How do you feel about like, uh, I mean,

now that you've built them, I mean, what's kind of like, I mean, you built them, you toured them

all year, right? Yeah. So what's kind of like, what are you itching for now?

Honestly, I want to roll news. Yeah. Those are old news now. So we got to build something new,

right? So I want to build another FXR go figure. I think my next bike is really going to be,

I want to do the triple crown on it. So it's going to be kind of a high and tight

classic, but with a modern touch still, and then something that I can actually like travel on

comfortably. And with the dynamids that we put on these things, like those are the most comfortable

set of mid controls. I mean, I've got hallcultors on my bagger and all other stuff, but like,

I, I don't get fatigued. My knees and my hips aren't hurting every hundred miles. We get off,

like it's actually a really comfortable setup. So I think just something real high and tight,

something that I can tour on. And then if we do come to a place where, you know,

got some good roads on it, I can still get down. I need to, you know,

but it'll be a lot more nimble than the bagger, you know, I'll wait till he's about a quarter of

the way along. And then I'll come in with an idea. That'll be my bill. That's his favorite.

That'll be my bill. That's his favorite thing. Yeah. You laid a foundation in the heat.

He builds on top of that. Yeah. He's like, Oh, no, I didn't pour this out of your head.

Give me a little extra. Exactly. Yeah. That's his favorite thing. He'll come in and be like,

you know, it would be really cool at like the two o'clock hour or whatever, when you're like

dog tired and you finish this design on something and he's like, I'll be cool. That's how good

ideas come about. It would be cooler if we did this. I feel like that's what's going to happen for

sure. Yeah. I mean, I feel like the tour itself has just done a lot to help. I mean, it's undeniable

that it is definitely catapulted FXRs onto a stage again, right? They've always had their waves.

They're always around. There's a lot of OGs in it, not talking any shade or throwing any shade

any absolutely. But the tour definitely did elevate the idea of people wanting to do it,

especially I think that it has been more or not inspired with more desirable because a lot of

people want inmates and stuff. Yeah. But to be fair to FXRs, it's like a lot of dudes will go and buy

them for four grand. They'll hit them with a power washer. It'll ride. It'll start and run and then

they run down the street and then the charging system takes a shit. Like, Oh, these things are

FXRs and pieces of shit. Like you pull it out of a fucking garage.

You just throw a battery. You know what I mean? Like, yeah, if you just like these bikes are

really, I mean, evils alone, they're good. You know what I'm saying? Like, you know,

I don't know. They're just such good bikes and there's plenty of them out there.

Every time people think they're about to be all picked out, they're not knuckleheads or

pannads. They're fucking everywhere. The one I just built, I found in a barn on the side of 287

that I've driven by. I can't even tell you how many times it's been sitting there since I've

been driving by it. Oh, you know, since I've been see it outside or so. It was in just a building

before you get into Amarillo. And I'd always see it because on 287, headed up towards like

Amarillo from Dallas, you go through these small towns and then they'll have like a shop

or some kind of old house that's like butted up against the highway. And there'll be like tons

of shit junk, like old rusty cars and stuff. And lo and behold, there was just a 1991 FXR sitting

in one of those like, you know, little shops that are just, it's just hoarded out. So did you find

like a listing or oh, they so the guy that owned the place passed away and his daughter's put it

up for sale. It hadn't ran. It hadn't, it's been sitting since 2008, I believe. Yeah. And you

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What's the work? You know, what's the point of it to get it running at that point? You knew you

had an idea for it. Well, originally I wanted it just to be a, I wanted to have a cheap FXR

that so when people fly in or they come through that I can put someone on a bike and we can go

rip around town. And that was literally what it was going to be. And then the motor had the shitty

powder coat on it, right? So when I power washed it, it took the rest off. And so I was like, man,

I'm going to have to pull it out to like spray paint, like put a new coating on it. I wasn't,

like I said, I wasn't trying to go show bike. I just want to clean, right, you know, put it back

out there. And then while I had it out, I started taking the covers off because I was going to,

you know, tape it up and clean it up. So let me, let me check the run out while I had the cover off.

I was like, yeah, it was bad. Yeah. But kind of find out it was spec for Harley. Oh, really? Yeah.

Okay. Because once we split the cases and then you put it on like a balancing deal,

yeah, the truing stand or wherever the buckles are, the run out of that on the, on the, on the

races for the, for the cases was in spec to what was written on the crank.

So it was actually like the bearing that just needed to be replaced. It was probably the

bearing or something like that. So basically, or if you think about it, what's spinning here

is one. And then what's spinning out here is like massive. Yeah. So,

because what happened was Renny had a motor as well, same year 1991, and we checked the run out,

because I went down there to go buy it. And I was like, Hey, man, you just check the run

out for me real quick. And same exact run. I say, how the hell is both of ours? Yeah. You know,

16,000. Wow. You know, like a lot. Then that was what the inspect from what was written on the

side of the crank and what I noticed in all the things I found. Well, I was saying it. Yeah.

Well, it's not like a cam plate the way like the twin cams and the inmates are, right? Right.

So, I mean, of course, I'm probably going to sound like an idiot to all the mechanics out there,

but like, it's just a gear drive thing that runs the oil pump. Okay. So I think that you have a

bigger tolerance for that as long as they can still engage, you know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah.

As opposed to like those little fucking, what should we call it after you, what they call them in

and like the twin cans, like a gear rotor in the, yeah, yeah, those, those have a tire tolerance

or something like that. Yep. I'm full of shit. Don't take my word for it. I don't build engines.

This just seems like logic, you know, like, oh, well, if this is a gear drive, as long as it's

catching, it's like a screw, you know, it's like, fuck, it'll turn it, you know, do some cams on a

big bore kit. But yeah, if I needed someone to really build me an engine, I would not have a

problem taking it somewhere. Yeah. Yeah. I think most of us are like that, you know,

none of that I did because taking it to have it done, like I got to feel it's still a stock

80, I believe, EVO, but just feels so fucking good and stout. Yeah. You know what I mean?

There's a feeling to those motors. And that's kind of one things I've been talking about a lot with.

I talked about with Kyle last time, I was like, there's a feeling, an inmate feels a certain way,

an EVO feels a certain way, a shovel head feels a certain way. And if you can enjoy them for what

they are and not hit them against each other, like what's better, like no shit, an inmate's better.

Yeah. You're comparing apples to oranges. You know what I mean? But you've seen it, like,

you see these older, like someone have just a clean OG FXR, super clean EVO in it. You're like,

man, this is speaking to me. At least it does for me. Yeah, absolutely. That's one of the bikes

I was on the tour. Jordan, his bike was, I was in love with that thing. It's a super high and tight

just OG with some flames on it. Shit was tight. Awesome. I love that bike.

Kyle always talks about flames. Maybe one day he'll actually put flames on his bike.

I don't know. I don't know. I don't know if I could go that far. You know what I mean?

That's a little much for me. You don't want to be all flamboyant and drawing attention to you?

There's a lot of flames out there right now. Well, there's a lot of FXRs too. You're going to stop

doing that? Well, no. No. Okay. I'm about to start building dinos. Yeah. Dude, they're fucking cheap

right now. I've been looking for a dinos farm. That's the problem is like all the dinos I want

are the ones that everybody wants. Exactly. It's like that and the low rider S are the ones that

you can't find a good deal on. One of our buddies was like, man, just buy a regular one and just

derake it. Like fuck that. I don't know. That's too much work. I'll try and do that.

No, that'd be a pain in the ass. I've seen a couple. I would like, I'm not familiar with the

platform, so I would like to have a full roller if I could. It doesn't even need the motor,

just full suspension and everything, wiring harness. But even that, it's like, I'm being cheap too.

I don't want to pay the two grand for it. Yeah. Knowing that I'm just going to rip everything

off of it. I feel like you can find those pretty abundant. You know what I mean? There's not a lot

around this area. Yeah. I think I need to go. You got to do like a big, you got to do that Facebook

thing where you like move the. Yeah. Start moving the dot everywhere. Casting that real

while. 500 mile radius. Why only New York? Fucking auto-trader. Yeah. Like Jason, come to stay with

you. I got to protect this. I had found a T Sport like probably 2021, I think. It was in Louisville,

Kentucky, and it was a decent price and it had the fairing and everything there. It didn't have

the bags. Okay. But the bags are, it's hard to find really clean bags on T Sport, so it's,

most people end up putting leather pros on it anyway. But the fairing is one of those things.

You want that with all the mechanisms, and the rest of the bike is kind of like, it's a dyna,

it's just the same old shit, right? Yeah. But I'd always wanted a T Sport. And I think that

what happened was I had done the T Sport, but I was still more bagger centric at the time. I really

enjoyed riding the bagger more. So I never really fully leaned into that bike and gave myself the

time to enjoy it. The same thing with the low rider ST. I had done that in between building the

chopper FXR. So the little runs I did on that low rider ST, just I never got to spend the time on it

and fall in love with it the way, because as soon as the chopper was done, I never rode the ST anymore.

Right. Yeah. So that's, I don't know, see how that goes. Yeah. I mean, what's that chopper was

done? You were just loading that thing down and riding it everywhere. Well, that was,

like to motivate me to like ruin my life to build these things. I have to daydream about all the

things I want to do and experience. Yeah. Yeah. Because it's like, yeah, I mean,

like, I'm sitting there just slaving away, just fucking two in the morning, like you said, like,

can't sleep, go home, lay in bed, stare at the ceiling, like, no, I'm going to go back up there

and just fucking get back on it. It's like, I, it, I need to daydream about something,

some kind of experience that I want to have in order to justify to myself, like the amount of

time and sacrifice and money and, you know, attention that I put to it. And I don't give to

my kids or my wife or my, my, the life that I had. Yeah. So I, I tore that bike up before it.

Everyone had a chance to go get seen, but anyway, but it's, that's what it's for.

I wrote it to the camp out. Well, you wrote it on the tour. Then you wrote it to the camp out.

And then, then you went on your big trip. I wrote it to, yeah, camp out, uh,

Lone Star rally, lots of little around the town shits. And then, uh, yeah, that big trip was

pretty hardly. That was a long trip to you. Yeah. I'll say, I think I discovered some things about

myself. Yeah. I think we missed, we missed Sturgis that year because we were here building. Yeah.

We were like, we got to stay here. We can't even try to go. Yeah. And I think we had just done

Milwaukee, like right before then. And everybody's like, are you going to Sturgis? We're like, no,

we shouldn't even be here. Honestly, we should be a whole workout on these bikes. Yeah. Cause we

started on those bikes and then, you know, it's immediately like, oh, let's go to, let's go to

mom and try it. So it's just a weekend, right? But that's a weekend that you could have spent. Yeah.

Doing all kinds of shit. And then we went to the camp out and then right before that, it was

Arizona bike week. Yeah. For last two weeks. Yeah. That's, that one's a long trip. Yeah. So,

and then it was just like one after another, after another, we were spending so much money

to build these bikes that it's like, we can't not go to the rallies because we make good money,

you know, doing light installs. So it was like, he just, yeah. Sturgis is so expensive to set up

places. And yeah, that was one we never, we never go and end out there. Yeah. We enjoy the people and

yeah, just in the company too much to go just spend our time in a booth. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Traveling,

I mean, it's kind of like one of those things where I always wanted to travel on a bike like that

and see if it's something I really, if I wanted it being gone from home was that enticing, you know,

because when you leave to go on a trip, you're like, dude, I can do this forever. Yeah. Right. Yeah.

And so I kind of wanted to put that theory to test. And no, I definitely, you know,

really miss my wife, really miss like my life that I had at home. You know what I'm saying?

So yeah, I feel like this is the least traveling I've ever done in the last seven years this year.

I have less than 5000 miles on a motorcycle. Shit, that's probably the same for us.

Yeah, we didn't do a lot this year. Last year and this year, you know, this year we did a little,

obviously more than last year, but yeah, we haven't done a whole lot of miles this year either.

We need to get that's one of the things obviously when we sit down and do like our yearly planning,

we need to figure out how to do that, do more riding this year for sure.

If you do have one good trip, like one good trip that like really checks a lot of boxes for you,

and then spend the rest of the year doing, you know, building this brand that gets it, right?

You know what I mean? Yeah. Well, I think I, well, I had a little more than you. Yeah, you did.

Because I did do the trip to Arkansas with Kyle and Steve Chamberlain and a bunch of other Midwest

guys. So that was a good one. That was probably a couple thousand miles. And then the FXR tour.

And we did shift the bikes to California. So we did ride and we were out there. Probably did.

Like 300. Yeah, 300, 400 miles in between Disney days. And then

Sturgis, we didn't ride a car. Yeah, but

series this year felt kind of like, I don't know, man, like I just felt like I didn't need to go.

Yeah. But it's like, it's the one that like Sturgis and Born Free are my like every year events

where like, if I don't go, I feel like I missed out on some. Right. But I don't know, it's Sturgis

is kind of cool for us this year. It's a lot different. It was different. It was just moves up

there. So we stayed in Spearfish, which we never stayed in Spearfish. And that was yeah, pretty

awesome. Being up there at near the hotel and everything made a lot of new connections,

a lot of good friends up there. Just all the moves were different this year, you know, like

usually you can kind of, you know, how your Sturgis is going to go. Generally speaking,

like generally speaking, you get there and then like at some point, we're going to go down to

Monies and then everybody's going to be at Monies booth, right? And then we're all dispersed from

there and then come back together at some point somewhere, whether it's at Saddleman or whatever.

Yeah. And then later on, we'll see you guys at like the FXR show at the chip or well,

used to be like hardcore out there too, right? But yeah, that stopped. But yeah, like you just knew

like where everybody was going to be and like what like all of your events were kind of just like

planned out this year. It was just way different. Like every day we went up to the hotel for breakfast

and that was kind of that was kind of a new experience for us, obviously, because we'd never

been up there, but it was like a bike show in the parking lot every day, which was kind of cool.

This is a very different group of people that we were

had turned out straight up or what?

We were just staying up there with Tony Ramjet. Yeah. So we were up there with Tony and his crew.

That's who we stayed with up there and had a good time. It was awesome, man. I went to,

I got to the dinner late on was it Friday or something like they do the dinner there?

Yeah, I think so. And yeah, I was like, I kind of wanted to go, you know, because I did that bike

for Zack Ness and hopefully trying to get some more opportunities to pay for some more of those

people. Like everybody, hey, I still paint bikes for this. I tried to quit. And my bank account

see the way my bank account works is I got to check in the savings.

Yeah, it's crazy. Just yeah, two and a half years ago or two years ago, I was on track to kind

of not quit painting altogether, but like really substantially lower how much I would do and focus

on the podcast of some other aspects of the brand. And then economy said, no. And now I'm like

trying to also do something which is custom paint in a very shitty economy, which is not great as

well. So yeah, that, you know, that year leading up to the election and then obviously, you know,

six months, well, probably even more still seeing it now post election. Yeah. I mean, it's tough on

everybody. Yeah. You know, so yeah, definitely. You can ask any large organization too. And like

they can look at their charts and see. Yeah. It's the same way. Hopefully by next year it'll.

Yeah, man, it's just, I don't think that they, I mean, I don't definitely want to take this to a

political route, but I just feel like there's too much attention towards all the political

shake going on. Oh yeah. And it scares everybody in the world to spend money, which rightfully so.

Yeah. But it's like, it's like, God damn it, dude. Like,

right. Can we just get back to riding motorcycles? Yeah. Like I'm that, I'm literally that dog on

that meme where everything's on fire and I just, it's fine. I just want to go ride my motorcycle.

It's fine. I just want to build and ride motorcycles periods. Like I don't want to start,

I don't want to go have to fight the freaking civil war or any of that shit. I just want to get

motorcycles. Yeah, we'll see, man. We'll see about that. I'm not ready for, I'm not ready to

forge the food and all that. I'm just going to stock a lot of peanut butter. There you go.

Twinkies. Yeah. It's the way it never go bad. Yeah. I'm going to kill myself with a fucking obesity.

Twinkies on spam. Yeah. Yeah. It's, I think that that coinciding with when they dropped

the new bikes and there was just a lot of things that happened that kind of, I think,

contributed to a lot of our attention spans going to other bikes rather than baggers,

you know, and then you add the fact that we've been riding them for the last set amount of years,

right? Yeah. And yeah. Well, not me. Mine's blown up, but yes.

That's what it sounded like. I could see it in my mirror and it made this little sound in my

helmet. It's like, you always want your motor to go out like a man. Ooh. Yeah. It sounds like a little

That's exactly what it sounded like. Oh, shit. But yeah, it, I don't know.

The FXR stuff is just gotten, it seems like it, it grows every so much a lot, but I think a lot

of people are finding that it's a good alternative and, you know, for what sometimes people are

spinning on a swing arm, they can actually pick up a motorcycle. Exactly. You know, and I thought

maybe it was just me because I was, you know, that wasn't in ever in my purview like FXRs.

Number one, I didn't, you know, I didn't come up on Harley's. I rode sport bikes and all that

stuff and got my first Harley, you know, what, like eight years ago or something. Yeah.

Bad influence. Yeah. Came in later. Yeah. Came in later. Exactly. He's like, oh, shit. And so,

you know, we were doing all the bagger stuff and then when the first FXR tour hit, I was like,

okay, you know, that's cool. They're building some badass bikes. And then we, you know, it kind of

sparked our interest and like, man, we definitely want to do that. Like, let's get back and

building some bikes, you know, throw our, throw our name in the ring and we weren't first pick out

of the gate by any means. And then when they said, come on in, it's like, oh, yeah, sweet. And then

now I start to notice it more and more and more. And it's good to hear you say that because you

kind of had that purview before of what was going on. But I mean, after the first tour, you saw

the growth in the FXR chopper and the growth in the M8 FXR. Yeah, for sure. And it, not to say that

it was my bike or Corey's bike or, I mean, they all contributed to the hype that was generated

around these bikes. Right. Yeah. You know, FXR division, they are the guys that kind of pioneered

the, the, 100%. Corey definitely pioneered the simplicity and the, and the, the, the form,

I guess in it, right? It looks so factory, like it was supposed to be there. Yeah.

Then we did over the top city.

It completely opens up new pathways into it, how you can kind of view it. And I think that

that's what opens up people's minds to it, you know? Yeah. But, but to be fair, just so people

that are kind of issued to know, like those, those aren't fucking 20,000 hour motorcycles.

Right. And you know, my FXR chopper is not a 20,000 hour bike. Right. You know,

I might not have all the logos that you're looking for to justify the price of an expensive

motorcycle, but it is. Yeah. And you know, I think there's nothing more annoying than people

asking me to buy my bike and then me say, I can build you one and then like, just on red.

Yeah. That's always great. Yeah. Oh, go fuck myself. Yeah. I guess I'll just fuck off then.

Yeah. I mean, I don't think people understand just the, you know, even if you don't

aren't using top of the line, like this person makes the baddest ass part and you want to put

that on that bike. Even if you're not using those parts, just the basic raw parts to get you to

where you had a running bike is a lot more than most people think. Yeah. If you were to buy those

pieces brand new, say I bought a, I can't make a good example, but if I want to buy a speed dealer

swing arm or maybe I don't want to spend that much money, just it's out of my budget. So I'm

going to go buy some dude has a takeoff Harley touring bag or swing arm that's 500 bucks versus

$3,000, 2500 bucks. That 500 bucks, those parts, if you bought all, if you use that same mentality

to buy all those parts to build that bike would still be a lot more money than people realize

it will be. Yeah. So that's where I think people get confused. Like, oh, that bike's only that much

because it has all those parts on it. Well, that's not necessarily true. Yeah. Because the cost is

going to be a lot more than you think it is, even if you use the basic of the basic stuff.

Well, when you have a handful of name brand things on there like, like the speed of the swing arm or

an SNS motor or Baker six, Lindahl wheels or Ness wheels or whatever the case, they can associate

a price tag to all those products. Right. And then that justifies, okay, yeah, I can see why that

bike's $25,000. Yeah. But if you have all those parts, it ain't fucking $25,000. Yeah, no, not at all.

Not unless you found somebody that needs some money. Yeah, right. Exactly. Not to mention,

there's like on these bikes, right? There's a lot of parts that there is no chart that you can go

out and look up the brand name and look up a part number and find out how much it costs.

Because it's all one off stuff. Yeah, that came out of our brains that we developed and had

cut and did all that stuff. So there's a lot of like little intricate pieces on all the both

these bikes that just never existed until these bikes existed. Right. So that's another thing.

It's kind of funny when people look at it. So not only do you have those name brand,

a few of those name brand parts on there, but then you have parts that are unobtainable.

Yeah. Right. So do you feel like maybe the draw to it is that like,

even though it still feels like, especially because of, I guess,

who we follow, we feel like everybody's doing FXRs now. Yeah. Not saying that in a bad way.

I'm just saying that, you know, in general. But you still, when you go to an event,

you don't necessarily, like you go to Born Free Texas where the FXR tour ends and yeah,

you're going to see a shit ton of FXR. Right. Right. Or you're the FXR show. But in general,

when you go out on bikes, you're not seeing like 20 FXRs in a parking lot the same way you're seeing

20 white new road lights. Right. No, absolutely. Yeah. So I think there's an aspect where people

kind of want to have something different to your point of earlier about saying like,

what was the thing you were saying you wanted different, like flames. Yeah. Yeah. So, you know,

there's like this weird thing where we love that analogy when it applies to something we want it

to apply to. Yeah. But it's such a contradicting or like, whatever the other word is to it, like it's,

you can't use it for like an absolute, right? Because there's some shit you're like,

well, I kind of wanted FXR. Is there a real sesame? Yeah. Yeah.

I'm a real glad everybody else has them. Or, you know, exactly. But I think there was a question

in there somewhere. You work on my format here. No, no, you're good. But no, I do wonder if a lot

of people are interested in it just just to feel like they're doing something different.

You know, probably like I said, for us and with the tour and these bikes, right, like it,

I've wanted FXR for a very long time. This was just an excuse to like actually build one and then

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And then once you stretch those out, then you've got a quite skill source that just helps you

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the tour. People were for sure that those things were not going to make it there.

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we got them started the night before and we rode them the whole tour. And this year,

you know, rate them the whole tour. I mean, don't get me wrong, there were little hiccups here and

there like my kickstand broke, but is what it is. No big deal. We got it taken care of.

I had some grounds come loose. So my bike wasn't charging or I mean, his is good now that after

we fix the ECU issues, but you know, just little quirks, but also going through those bikes and

building them by hand, you kind of knew where to start to load. So I mean, it was maybe it was down

for 30 minutes and you just caught back up. But it's still a huge accomplishment to take those

down to the frame, do the fabrication, put the new motors in all the wiring, you know, factory

wiring, ECU, BCM, all the things and send them down the road for two tours. And if excuse me,

if I don't have a new one built by next year, I'll send that thing down the road again. Yeah.

And just send the lowers to Jeremy every winter.

We already got to send the lowers to Jeremy. Yeah.

Yeah, they're a little stuff to that for after a little kickstand incident. Yeah.

Yeah, it'll catch a lot of, uh, it's a lot on there, you know, yeah, down on those, those roads

were salt and pepper and up everything, but it was so good. The roads were so great this year. Yeah.

But yeah, I mean, I think I, I was telling Justin, we're just out in California. It was,

you know, first day of the, of the, uh, born free event. And then we had just come off like the

ride we did the day before and just riding around California like, man, I, I don't know that I ever,

and I say this now and I'll probably change my mind, right? I want to get my, I want to get my

bagger back running. That's what that motor's sitting over there for. I told them I should just

use that motor. I want to get my bagger back running because that's my baby. I want to ride that like

every day back and forth to the shop and whatever. But then after that, personally, like personal

bike wise, I don't know that I'm ever going to build anything outside of the FXR platform.

Possibly. I don't know. But that's just kind of how I feel right now. I love, I love that bike

and I want to build something that's like, you want to expand on all the ideas that come from

building it. Exactly. Exactly. I feel like I've had this conversation with a lot of like,

maybe newer guys in this world and I'm like, look, take it from me. I've talked a lot of

show in these podcasts. You can, you can just scroll back and watch me contradict myself.

The, I think that the best way to look at it is, is just like,

it's to never say never, obviously, right? It's like, I mean, I would say that I've had the chopper

bug in my, in my head since 2016, but I just didn't know how I wanted to get into it. And then I,

then I found the performance bagger and I was in love with that. So I really didn't have like

that same desire. I always kind of kept an eye on it. And then the FXR chopper made me a little

bit more comfortable with going full, full chopper. Yeah. And so you had to ease into it.

I mean, for me, it's different for everybody else. And that's what I keep trying to explain

to a lot of people. It's like my, my reasonings for want to do that is partly like what you just

said, to expand on some of these skills that I acquired in the processes of doing the, the bike

PCORI, the, the FXR chop and the, and stuff like that toward now, like I really have this desire

to do that myself, right? You know what I mean? Like I want to be able to, and I have a great

resource in him and he's been a mentor and teaching me a lot this year. So I want to be able to

step out of my own a little bit and try these things and know that I have the right

person behind me to check my work and then, you know, give me on the right path. And,

you know, the chopper just opens itself to no box that you have to fit yourself in. And I would

say that that's also the FXR world. Like there really is, I think some untapped potential and

where these bikes can go, you know what I'm saying? I never thought I would like a high fairing,

you know? And all of a sudden I'm like, I don't fuck with it.

Yep. Yeah. I kind of fuck with it. Yeah. Yeah. That's a little hot, but I like it.

But I mean, it's like, that's a really high. That's Snoop Dogg higher.

But it's just one of those things is to like be open-minded to like where your,

your inspiration is. And like, it's almost like you really have no control over where you get

inspired. Right. You know, it's just like you just got to be aware enough to recognize it

and hopefully be in the right financial spot to capitalize off of it. Right, man. Yeah. Yeah.

Money's a big factor when it comes to building bikes. I'm not really married to anything. I just,

hey, let's just do something cool. Yeah. You know, whatever we want to do, I'm in it.

Yes. Do it. That's fine. I can spend your money. You're just waiting on it.

Yeah. What are you going to do next? I told you what I'm doing next. No, I find, so I finally,

like I finally got that bike. You know, that's what we're doing next. Here we go. It's fine.

No, I finally got that bike from my father-in-law, which shout out to my father-in-law. This is

friend of his that he used to ride with back in the day. And he acquired that bike after

she passed. And it's just he was taking it apart to like work on it, restore it and get it riding.

Well, he's since stopped riding. So that was just kind of chilling in his garage for a while.

For the people that can't see it. Oh, yeah. It's a 1991 FXRS.

So I think anything I had. Yeah. I just built it. Yeah. So I think the goal with that one,

like I said, is just a clean, classic, high and tight FXR. He just wants to see it back on the

road and being enjoyed again. And that's kind of what we're going to do with. And then we have this

Gen 2 M8 motor over here that he thinks is going to go back in his 18 bag. That's going in my 18

bag. But it's going to go in this. I'll buy another. What's putting it into the 18, you think?

So we're going to get the oil cooled. Yeah. We're just going to put it into oil cooled and then

plug everything up and go for it. What about intake? And do you have to get an intake

relative? Yeah. We did all the stock intake manifold, throttle body, all that good stuff.

I feel like those motors would just be easier to put into the M8 or into the FXR frame. So

probably it doesn't have the overhead oil lines or anything like that. Yeah. Yeah.

We need to buy another one. And then that'll go in. What is that? Just a little 117? Yeah,

it's just a little 117. I'm going to do a star racing cam in it and then just something simple

so that it's not as hot. Like the reason I went with that, because it was obviously a lot cheaper

than going with rebuilding my current motor, having to do a crank, and then a big bore kit and

all the other stuff with it. So I just bought that because it's a lot less invasive work,

a lot less invasive. So you're just doing a cam, air cleaner, and pipe, and those things are making

what my other bike was making. You know, these are water-cooled. Is a part of that though?

Uh, no, I think it's more so in the heads. Oh, yeah. The head is more easier. What's, yeah.

Because there's a lot of people actually converting their Gen 1 M8 heads over to those Gen 2s and

making massive powers, power as well. So, yeah, because the, but you had the oil line

ports are on the backside of the head or on the front side of the head. And then it goes into

the back. Then you have that drain one, right? Yeah. So how do you, how do you do that on that?

So, go ahead. No, go ahead. No, no. So we, we've sourced all the parts that are necessary to

switch that over. So if you notice on all the new soft tails, the soft tails are not water-cooled.

They are oil-cooled and they have the same setups. So we've done a lot of research and we've sourced

all the parts to just swap it over just and then we're going to do that here quickly. We're trying

to do more long form content too. So my brother's going to record us through the whole process.

But yeah, that's going to be awesome. And I feel like that's going to be a lot, I don't want to

say like more reliable, but it's a 117. It's nothing crazy. Yeah. So it should be a lot less

hot than my 128 was. And I still don't even, I mean, still don't even know exactly what happened

to that thing, but it was 40 something thousand miles of abuse. Yeah. It was a hot day. Probably

was just like, I'm done, dude. That's whenever we go, it got stopped out in like Grand Junction.

Yeah, Utah. Yeah, we, well, we made out of Grand Junction. We were in Utah, in the middle of the

desert. Skin Walker Adventure. Yeah, that's where we met the Skin Walker, man. That was a, that was a

little, I don't, we've told you that story before, right? So yeah. Yeah, we were going up the hill and

I think we had the cruise control set at 90. And yeah, all of a sudden he's just getting further

and further away. And I slide down and he's like, well, got no power. And then that's when he heard

that sound, the little squeak, smoke. Yeah. In the rear. Tide balls. Tide balls. Yeah, exactly.

Motor left the chat. Yeah. Motor left the chat. And I, I got 45,000 miles out of my 114 from my

19 road glide and it was still running fine, but then the 131s came out. So I jumped on one of those.

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I feel like a, I mean, Steve, well, Steve, when he said like a shit ton of

motors. Yeah. I mean, it's hard telling what went wrong with that thing. Yeah. Both of the

piston jet oilers, the little, you know, the tips on them were broke off. Yeah. So something like,

I wonder if it could have been something like with that big board kit or something like that.

Could have been. Yeah. It could have been. It was a Harley 128. Yeah. It came out with it. Oh, the Harley

Yeah. It was the Harley kit. Yeah. Yeah. The drop on. Yeah. It's strange. It ran good.

Took good care of it. Till it didn't. Till the, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. What are you going to do, right?

Yeah. I guess it's, that's kind of, it's kind of like where I'm at with this. Like,

there's a part of me that feels like an M8 with all the bells and whistles like

else bikes set up to tour and then you're done. Like you like, you don't really have to,

you can tour with the best of it. Yeah. Yeah. Probably even get better gas mods because the

bike shirt. Right. Way lighter. Yeah. Yeah. But god damn it. It's a lot of money to build an M8 FXR.

It is. It is. Even if you're doing all the work, it's still money. Yeah. You know. It is because,

I mean, because if you think about like, so like we started from like frames, right? So

there was a time we, we shout out to Adamic Harley, Brent over there, helped us out big time.

We found all the parts we needed and then ordered a few extras of things just so we made sure we

had everything we needed, right? But you should have seen the box that came from freaking Harley.

It was ridiculous of just say, well, nickel, all the, all the nickel and dime parts that you

like, you don't even think of that. You're like, oh crap, I need these seals. So you're like looking

at parts diagrams like, all right, well, because you know what's in your bag because you've taken

that motor apart a million times. But then when you're starting from scratch, you're like,

going through this parts list, like, ah, I need a 30. I need this since I need this $75 key. Yeah.

I need a, you know, $30 security and just maybe the silver lining to that or the benefit of it now

is like, you can kind of find some MA baggers for like 10 grand. Yeah. Yeah. You know? Yeah. And so

it's like, yeah, I know it's a little expensive because, you know, you're thinking like, oh,

I'm gonna find me an MA drivetrain with a wire harness and a computer for like 2,500 bucks or

three grand. Yeah. But then it's like, well, if you do that, then you get the twist grip sensor or

all the fucking other shit. Yeah. You know, everything can sell the rest and maybe recoup

some money. Yeah. But I mean, then it's like, I remember because I had a 22 CVO, right? And it

was this blue steel or wherever the fuck color. And it was like the only CVO that came with the

normal bags before they did the body change. Right. Yeah. And then right when I got that bike

on trade for my last road glide is when the new ones dropped and then the value of that bike dropped

like 15 grand. So I'm like, fuck, man. Yeah. I'm like, I can, I can sell this bike for 25 grand

right now instead of 42. Yeah, let's put it on us. And then, or maybe I'd build an FXR CVO

with the 117 with all the gray motor and all this stuff and put all the, I was close, dude.

I was close. I was like, and then I'd get like 50 or 60 grand for this. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely.

Then I'll put like another 25 in it on top. Right. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. That's it. You don't,

you don't think about all the, all the costs involved in those things, you know what I mean?

And then, then to take it to like, to try and like make it a little bit different, you know,

from the norm because that's the kind of the charge with the FXR to a right. Like,

it's not so much, oh, hey, I threw together an FXR and I built it, right? Like the goal is to

make something different and push yourself and like unique. So you add that other layer on top

of that and that's, you know, it gets even crazier. Oh yeah. 100%. Yeah. It's even crazier. I don't

want to scare people off from customizing motorcycles and say like, oh, it's just so much

one age. You can't do it. Right. You don't want to do it. It's stupid. No, it's like,

it is very rewarding. Yeah. It's just like, if you think that you have a budget, like say you

want to put 20 grand into a bike, just add five more. Yeah. You know what I mean? Yeah. Just add

five more. Because it's, you know, that's how it's going to go. It's, if you think about it, like,

if you're having a bike built or to some degree, it's not going to be built overnight. No. No

matter what you want. Like if you're ordering wheels, you hopefully can get them in three weeks.

Hopefully. Hopefully, right? Yeah. So in that three weeks, unless like you've saved up

20 grand over the last 15 years, I understand you five more grand is going to be a tough one.

Yeah. But if you got 20 grand, you got 25. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Or you can figure it out. Yeah.

You know, let me just snaggle some stuff for sure. Because the problem is like you can set your

toe, like your, your deal like, okay, 20 grand is where I want to be. But it's all the little

shit. Like you were just talking about the little sensors, the little bolts, the little brackets

of the, the, the wire loom that just looks like shit now that you need to, you know what I mean?

Yeah. Just, and then you got bad influence friends like Jeremy, who's like, oh, hey,

I'm painting your bike. And you're like, I know I can't afford you. He's like, no, but I'm painting

your bike. Yeah. So yeah. I get on a plane. Like, okay, I guess you're painting my bike. I, yeah.

I might have to work a couple extra jobs, but yeah. Those are the kind of things that I think

that all, I mean, I said this to you guys last, actually, I haven't said this on a podcast, you

weren't done. I'd somewhere I said it, maybe it was when I was drunk on the microphone at the,

the pre-party, but I was like, you guys did a great job of applying what I've been bitching

about for years, a custom paint job. It's not wild, but it's tasteful. And it's not something you

can get from the factory. Right. And to me, that's the thing that sets, it draws more attention,

compliments what you've done to the bike. And that's what's important. Yeah.

They both look badass. And they're, they're, you know, they're going to go down in the, in the

history books of FXRs, you know what I'm saying? Yeah. I think so. Because they are over the top.

They are a little weird. We are some over the top mofos, but it was only a matter of time. I mean,

think about it. Like, like, you know, not to say anything bad or anything, but like Trask has

built some insane, you know, FXRs. Oh yeah. 100%. You know, like some of those assault

Trask FXRs are fucking phenomenal. They're amazing. But like, I guess what this, what draws me to this

is that I feel like it's our generation's version of it. Yeah. You know, it's, it's not like,

oh yeah, I had 150,000 hour customer that said, you know, throw the book at it,

right? Oh, the moon at it. And then here's another tip. Here's a tip. Yeah. 20%.

No problem. It's like, it's like, you guys really just figured out how to make something cool,

draw your influences, draw your past, you know, and then show up and build two uniquely different

bikes. I mean, those bikes are different in a lot of ways, but they're also, you know,

I guess the difference of you guys, you know, yeah, what you were interested in.

That's kind of, I mean, that's the last three quarters of his bike. Yeah. Yeah. I feel like we,

we had to make it, we made it a point to make those things like, yeah, distinctly different,

you know, even though they're being built like side by side. But even to your point earlier,

like you already have other ideas and other visions for other FXRs. That's what's so great

about that platform because, and I've said this so much over the years is like, I think this bike

is a right of passage to be a custom bike builder, right? Cause if you can't make that bike cool,

you are not going to make any. You don't have to do much. Yeah. Yeah. You know, but because there's

options, there's directions, it, it, it opens up a bigger thing than the road glide. Cause the road

glide is kind of fixed. This is what it is. Is this fairing these bags? There's a couple things

in between. You can kind of try the box, but it's a, it's a very confined place to customize and

be creative. Yeah. You know, at the end of the day, you're bolting on the same parts. They just

might be from different brands and different finishes or finishes or whatever, right? That's

ultimately where you're at with that. And that's kind of one of the things with, again, that's

kind of one of the things that I was talking just about. Like I'm, that's why I'm so deep into

these things right now, these FXRs. And again, I've loved them from the get go since Harley

Davidson, since I loved Harley Davidson's, but this was just my opportunity to finally build one.

Yeah. Now that I have this one, now it's like, I love to build another one.

They really are like,

crack, dude. That's what I'm saying. Yeah. It's to the died.

He's so anti dyna. I am. Well, we're going to build a dyna. Yeah. You gotta check all the boxes.

You gotta do, you gotta do all one of everything. Yeah. Do a dyna. Do you know what we haven't

seen on a dyna yet is the ST fairing. Wait, what? Have we seen a dyna ST fairing? Yeah,

there's a dyna with ST fairing on it, right? I know we've seen a dyna with the ST fairing.

I mean, I don't fall out of dyness. I don't know if I can do that. I think I'm surely

have seen a dyna with ST fairing on it. I was just thinking about that. I remember the Texas

Hill show like what two years ago now, they had that FXR with the ST fairing and the ST bags.

I forget who's FXR that was. What's that? But it was like legit ST bags. Yeah. Yeah.

Trash just did one too with ST bags on it. The blue one for Mark. Yeah. Cave Creek. Yeah.

I was like thinking, I've completely forgotten. We were out at Cave Creek last year. He kept

saying, how much you want for that? It's like 80. He's like, give me 60. I'm like, it's 82.

And then he shows up and we see him in Sturgis. He's like, oh, I just had Trash build me 100,000.

Like he could add this one for 80. Come on, man. Yeah. Yeah. Mark's a high riot. Yeah. He's a

character for sure. He's a good guy though. That's how it works right though. Like this

inspired you. Yeah. Yeah. And I built this one. Yeah. Right. And you could have had me just build

this more street version. Exactly. Exactly. But you chose to go to a completely different person.

Yep. Yeah. That's that's and I get it. I think, you know, she's probably really good friends with

egg and those guys out there. Yeah. They're best of buds. So yeah, I saw, I watched their YouTube

video. They were doing that bike. It was pretty cool. Yeah. You know, yeah. And they were like

wrenching on it as Sturgis trying to get it running. I could have done that for you too.

We're used to it. Yeah. Yeah. We definitely are. That's for sure. It depends on the components

that he is. But I think it's strange because like, like, not strange. I just think it's

maybe a topic of conversation where to get to your to these levels of bikes to get to

like what Corey's built or what FXR division. Obviously, what we're talking about, Trask.

Yeah. These are expensive. Right. And there is seems to be a customer base out there for it,

obviously. Yeah. But I don't know. It's like, how do you not go to that extreme every time?

Because once you like know what you can do and where it can be, can you be okay with not doing

those little those little things to this bike? You know, you know, no, you'll be like, so once,

once you, once you do it to a certain level, like then it's like, you're not going to go

below that level again. You know what I mean? It's, it's always just going to be up and up

and up. Yeah. And I just see what little things and whether, whether that be, you know,

testing out your skills on something like, oh, I want to see if I can do XYZ on this bike this

time. Yeah. Myself like doesn't matter what you do. And I hope I don't shoot myself on the foot.

But my other problem is, is I don't think I would ever actively advertise that bike

for sale. Yeah. Yeah. 100%. Yeah. Like I feel like I have too much time and effort into it.

That if you want that bike, you need to approach me with a serious offer. Otherwise,

I'll sit it in a corner. I don't even care. Yeah. It's not a bad legacy motorcycle to keep

in the brand. Yeah. And that's kind of the other thing. Like I've, I've hanging out with the Nessus

too much. And like I see their collection of bikes that they don't even, right? Yeah. It's in the,

it's in the museum over there, dude. It's like, I kind of want to have like bikes like that,

like not everyone obviously, but like I want to build some pivotal bikes for my, you know,

just my progression and be able to keep them and use them to like obviously like open the

door to build new bikes. Yeah. On this trip, my last FXR that I just finished is what's opening

the door for me to build this bike for a client. Yeah. And I've been so hesitant to build or

customize bikes for people over the last like eight years because I'm just, I used to have really

bad experiences. Yeah. You know, it's like when I do a bike for myself, I don't have to convince

myself to do this. Oh, actually I do. I have to convince myself to do this or talk, you go through

all these like ups and downs of like, you know, ideas and emotions and all that shit to, and then

the anxiety of like choosing it. And then when you finally sit it down, anybody can like, oh,

that's good. Like that's fun. Yeah. But it's been a big struggle for us, like commissioned builds.

Yeah. We get four, five, six DMs a week, like, hey, how much to do an M8 FXR?

Yeah. But do you want to do an M8 FXR where the dude's just paying you to do that?

You know what I mean? Like it feels like I would want to do that. Yeah. And like, finish it. Because

if there's just a kind of want to just do it right. And we tell them that all the time, like

we're not FXR division, do a frame does that. Yeah. They offer that service. FXR division,

they offer that service. They're the godfathers of this shit. Like they do that. They have that

down to a science. If you just need an M8 FXR frame, go to them, go to FXR division. Yeah. If you

want to spend, spend, maybe we'll take it into consideration. But then you start throwing out

numbers like, well, it's going to take you at least 40, 50. What do you think? What do you think?

Not to scare people, but to be honest, like, what do you think people need to set their sites for

to just literally have an M8 drivetrain, not a bike build, an M8 drivetrain in a bike that you

can start? Oh, then you can start? Meaning yes. So tank fab, all the stuff involved with it to

start it, maybe not painted, maybe not bodywork, none of the other shit, just a raw,

raw roller. You could, you could ride it down the road. Yeah. Stock wheels, you're just focusing

on the drivetrain and putting that out there. 35 to 40 grand. What was the question?

The question is raw ass. So you're not building a bike. XR. You're not like putting wheels and

swing arm and all that on there. I mean, I think you have to do some form of swing arm,

don't you? Yeah. On it. Okay. So yeah, you're taking an M8 FXR and you're just

making an M8 motor in it. The cheapest one you could find, you know, but let's just say for

shits and giggles, you have $5,000 in a drivetrain with like the Motor Tranny primary starter.

Is it unrealistic to say you have the wire harness in a computer or is it better to go with

like a Thundermax and a NAMS? I mean, that's going to cost you two or Ann. Yeah. I mean, so

out of our experience, and it might be different, right? Like,

you've got the master of this shit. Like FXR division could probably tell you better, but

they can get you a frame, but like to be a roller ready for coding and not buying any accessories.

35, 40 grand. Yeah. Probably around there with everything ready to go. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

That's a barrier of entry, dude. It is. It is. It is. Yeah.

But I mean, I think that like there's going to be, there already is like a lot of people

know how to fabricate, right? That's definitely not an uncommon trait. Yeah. So you're going to get

them to, they're going to be able to buy your kit that you guys are now producing and selling.

It'll help them get that in the frame, but it's, there's still a lot of know how,

there's still a lot of things that once it's in the frame, you have to figure out

the next phase, which is the wiring and all that shit, the oil lines, getting everything.

It's almost like I said, a whole road glide. Yeah. You know, I mean, you're literally condensing a,

you're condensing a road glide into a much smaller frame, essentially. It's what you're doing, you

know? And yeah, that was one of the benefits of doing this, right? So I mean, we were able to come

up with and develop different parts to kind of make this a lot easier because we knew when we

started these things, like we're doing another, like we're, we're going to do more. We're not going to

do this. Oh, you got me. Oh, darn. So, so yeah, like we're doing another. So we got to make this

easier for us. So that's, that's for a lot of our like parts and things come about right from

needing to solve a problem. So yeah, that's kind of one of those things that, and again, we

worked with some of the greatest in the industry is to kind of develop that.

And that toyed with the thought in my mind, like

doing that basic, like taking an FXR, doing an M8 swap, maybe it's just a,

you know, 39 mil narrow front end, not widening this, you know, rear, like flip that, but

the same, at the same token, I don't want to pollute the market. Yes. Because I don't want to make

with the cheaper water down version. Yeah, I don't want to do that. Like

the barrier of entry needs to be the barrier of entry. You're like,

I don't want to go start making cheaper versions. Like you said, a water down version that's,

oh, here's your Honda Civic DX. You can buy for 12 grand, or you can get the EX with all the

leather package for 25. I got, there doesn't need to be that. Yeah. There's enough of that with

evos and twin cams. Yeah, there's other cheaper options. Do that to the M8. Yeah, right. Like

if you're going to build an M8, build the M8 for yourself, or if you're a bike builder,

then someone's going to commission you to build them a really nice M8. But don't be a guy just

building M8 base models and tossing them out there for 30 grand. Yeah. Yeah. Well, then it's

30 grand, bro. 1899, shit. 1899. Because then it's not, it's not cool anymore.

Yes. It'll fuck up the vibe. And it's lost its lifespan very fast.

Yeah. What can you think has happened like that in our bike scene?

You know, just, maybe not in our bike scene, just in general, where it had a really cool,

it was really cool, but then really quickly it got watered down and washed out. You know.

I mean. Baja designs. Oh man, are we going there? Are we going there right now?

I don't speak of those names. I mean, we could literally just like take a moment of silence for

the bracket wars of 2020. Yeah. Yeah, we could. I mean, was that this year? Yeah. Didn't somebody

get shot over this shit too? No. Oh, that was, that was a little bit of a hail speed. Yeah,

but wouldn't he, he was a part of the bracket wars. I think it's, I think it started there.

Yeah. For sure. I think that whole thing kicked off was him probably. Oh, I guess he didn't get

shot because of the brackets. No, no, no. It was, I think that was a separate thing.

And he, you know, and he found out by something. Yeah. Yeah. I think so. Look, it's just damn, dude.

Oh, that would suck. Yeah. To me, I feel like when people start fighting over like who did

something first, I'm just like, and it's funny to me because I'm looking at all these dudes like

bitching over a bracket. And I'm like, y'all do know that like Suicide Machinko was the first

person to put these lights on a buyer first, you know, very first ones. And then Big Bear did it.

And Big Bear did it. And then, you know, so it's like, it's like, okay, man, like you guys are,

you guys based your entire identity, which is like, you guys said, oh, it's like, look,

we do these lights, but we don't want that to be our whole identity. But we do stand behind

this product, right? Yeah. They, their whole fucking brand was that. And it's like, okay,

that's not smart. You know, yeah, we're not out here trying to be Kings of lighting, dude. Like,

we've said that from the get go. Yeah. I mean, like, yeah. No, don't get me wrong. We put a lot

of effort into it just because it does take a lot of R&D. Right. And it is one of our big sellers.

But, you know, at the same token, the FXR stuff is starting to pick up quite a bit.

Yeah, especially with the M8s and us being able to provide folks kind of the

building blocks or Lincoln laws. You just find a way to have like a, like a,

you could sell like these are like the instructions to do an M8, but there's

there's like a copyright where they can't actually

like watermark on it. Yeah. Like you got to have like a sentinel key.

Right. Yeah.

Yeah. And you know, and this is for like those, those builders out there that just want to go and

and take their stab at it. You know, it's, it's kind of like an expansion on Tony's Ram Jets

twin cam swap, you know, and we're working with him on this M8 kit, because we need some key

components from that twin cam kit. So we'll combine our stuff. Hey, here's for the average

DIY or maybe a little bit above average, but at the same token, if you don't have that skill set,

FXR division all day. Yeah. Yeah. They will, they will do a frame for him. You're pissed so bad.

No, you're good. Drinking water. I know.

But uh, on the, on the lighting stuff and like, yeah, all the stuff you guys have been doing

and the fit mitts and the brackets. Sorry, guys, I'm looking for the whole, here it is.

Should have took my belt off.

Got comfortable. Well, it's like even looking at the, the

like the, um, the nest faring, like the, the Ventura style, like I see you guys are,

you know, fitting something up and getting something kind of dialed in for that. Yeah.

It's, to me, it's important that a lot of company looks at all the trends and figures out how to fit

their stuff into that box. One hundred percent. Yeah. You know, absolutely. That's why we,

how is the relationship with rigid? I mean, I figured like you guys are pretty tight now.

It's been pretty amazing, man. So like rigid, we're rigid partners, right? So they,

they actually have one of our kit. They distribute one of our kits through their,

their whole catalog right now. Um, we've got some, some great things on the horizon with them.

They got new gear coming out very soon. So we're working on some stuff for the new units and,

hopefully, yeah. Yeah. I think it's pretty fabulous knowledge. So at SEMA this year,

which was last week, they released their new light called Project Phoenix or whatever.

I mean, I can tell you all the cool things about it because anyone can go on the internet and see

it, but so it's going to have the ability to actually change the color temperature of the light.

So, you know, previously, like you're having like a, what an HID where you get the different

temperatures. Right. So previously we've all been married to, hey, like the rigid product,

we can snap a yellow lens cover on or a Baja light. You can buy one that has the yellow lens on it

already. So this light that they're coming out with will have color temperature change. So you can

actually change it to an amber light. The LEDs themselves will change. Yeah. Yeah. And you can

split that like, say you want to mix color temperature, you could have three white,

three amber, and that will give you whatever color that equates to 3500 or something.

Is there a benefit in color temperature and road visibility like between like a yellow light and

maybe a certain condition or? Oh, yeah. So like a white light, if you're in fog, dust, dirt,

conditions, you would get the splash back of all those white particles. So in those scenarios,

that's why you would use an amber or a yellow light because it punches through that. So that's

why you would see the yellow on like rally cars a lot. Exactly. Okay. Yeah. Whenever I'm in,

fucking learning here. Yeah. 120 miles through the desert, a white light would be like driving in

a snowstorm, the white out condition. And they actually found so rigid does a lot of testing

and all that stuff. And they found that the actual color that punches through that the best is actually

red. So that's why they can't use red on the street. So they've switched, they've gone back a

couple grades to that amber color that true, like it's almost orange. Yeah. So they have a lot of

those functionality too. So you can go from white, completely white to that amber color.

Okay. Yeah. That's like through that fog, dirt. Yeah. Yeah. And you've seen other manufacturers

kind of jump onto that train as well. So, you know, nothing against Baha designs, whatever,

but they then came out with a true amber lens color now that you can opt for.

Yeah. Yeah. How complicated is the whole DOT situation and everything?

Is that so something like these lights are also still not necessarily falling underneath?

Yeah. They're not DOT. It also depends on who you talk to about DOT. Those regulations on a

motorcycle are very loose. Yeah. So I'm still sponsored by it. Understand 100%. Yeah. We talked to

Rob. Yeah. Rob's the homie. He's like, Hey, how can we help each other out? No. I mean, Rob's a cool

guy. But yes, DOT is not a platform that we're in. Rigid. Those lights are not DOT. Yeah.

We've been working on something with them for a while. It's a beam forming lens. So those rigid

lights, they have snap on lenses. Do you know what makes something in the lighting game for headlights,

DOT or not? Is it the pattern? Is it the way it's? So pattern cut off. I would imagine

I'm not fully versed on it, but I would think that at some point there's output as well. Okay. Yeah.

But the majority of it's going to be probably your cut off. So like clean cut off. Cutting into

people over traffic. Yeah. And you don't have like that big vertical spread. So one thing we've

been working on with Rigid for a while, they have a beam forming lens cover. So you snap that on,

you'll still have the same amount of output. But then now you have a cleaner cut off,

where it dials some of that vertical spread down. That's been in the works for a while,

but I think they're getting close on it. I remember back in the, so back in when I had my

road lights, I used to run a different brand's lighting. And it, like I said, I'm not the review

guy. I'm just not that person. Like I, I'm the guy that my leg starts to hurt and it hurts for

like six months. I don't, I just adapt and overcome. Yeah. Yeah. That's me. 100%. But I didn't

notice it like, you know, when I would ride this bike and, you know, we're on a road light fixed

bearing. And then when I would take like a corner hard at night, it's like, I'm dipping into the

corner and then the beam, like when I'm trying to look ahead of the corner, there's no light.

Yeah. Because the beam now goes down. Uh huh. You know what I'm saying? Yeah.

So that would be one benefit of an off-road light because you would still maintain that

vertical spread, right? So you're still got up. So even when you're dipping down,

you still have that visibility there. You would think that that could be something

could be changed or altered at the legislative level to say why this is important. Yeah. You

know, hey, look, there's not a hundred thousand. I mean, there's a hundred thousand. There's not,

like, if you look at a spread of cars going down the road, it's like, there's going to be 50 cars

before one bike goes by. Right. Yeah. Right. Yeah. So for them to be the one that has like some kind

of like different thing going on so that it's more safe to be able to take corners at night,

to have more visibility. Yeah. It would be super cool. So you see some of the car and truck don't

do that. No, not at all. And you see some of those, those car headlights these days are getting so

bright to the point. I think it's maybe it's Audi or Mercedes or someone has this technology

or I've seen snippets of it to where the oncoming side, the lamp will dim. Yeah. It's the Audi.

Oh, yeah. As as it senses kind of like your auto sensing high beam, right? Like if it senses

it's complete dark, then it can't wait to buy that car in like 15 years. Yeah. Lighting module.

Right. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. Get the bypass and get this module here and you plug it in and it just

works normal. It'll be subscriptions. Yeah. Yeah. Did you need breaks? Oh, yeah, we got you.

That'll be five dollars. I think one manufacturer is already doing that on seat heaters. BMW is

doing that. Like all the so they're starting to build all these and don't take this as the

fucking truth because this is all hearsay as well. But it's not fast. Yeah. Most manufacturers

or I would think futuristically, it would make sense that they build one platform and then they

start to like, you know, this is a subscription. Yeah. 100 percent. Your car has everything in it

that the top model does is just not turned off. So for 10 bucks a month, you can get some heated

seats. BMW has already started doing that, haven't they? Yeah. But how long before that gets hacked

and you get like a little stick for the fire stick or whatever. Yeah. Right. I get all the channels

and the heated seats. Yep. That is actually a really, really good point though because it does,

I mean, that's the number one model for sustainability for a corporation to find a way

to not to have the one piece of hardware, but ever changing software that you have to pay

for a subscription. Let's build one model. We have way less tooling costs, way less labor

and I can hire a computer programmer and pay him, you know, $200,000 a year to

control the update, all these things by subscription.

I mean, it makes sense to me. I mean, think about it. I have a fridge from 1952 in my garage.

It works fucking fire. I got a fucking fridge in my house. The ice maker went out like

two years ago and it's like, it's cheaper to buy a new fridge fixed than I was making.

You know what I mean? So it's like, obviously this is, we're just preaching to the choir here,

but like a lot of things aren't built like they used to be. Oh yeah, I know.

And things like motorcycles and cars, they are built better, but there's just more technology.

That's the problem. Yeah. But it's like, when you simplify like what it takes to make an FXR

run with a carburetor, it's like, it's less headache. Yeah. It's less problems. Carburetors

are actually sick. But see, I want to do an M8 FXR magneto. Oh my God. Oh yeah. Now you're being a man.

There we go. I think I bring that up like once every couple of weeks and he just looks at me

and is like, to fuck out of here. Man, that would be so cool to do some shit like that.

The whole point of putting in a modern motor, the whole point of doing a restyl mod is so you

have all the modern amenities, right? Guess what? If all the people that did M8 swaps wouldn't just

carburetored them, they would not have had problems. True. True. Six wires runs that motor. Yeah. If

they would find carburetor is big enough to feed that thing. Yeah. I'm sure that, I'm pretty sure

you can get a carburetor to. Hell, there's people making kits now. Yeah. Yeah. I'm pretty like if

I did an M8 FXR, I would 100% carburetor. Yeah. There's nothing about fuel injection that I'm like,

I can't believe I don't have this thing. And then even the Magneto, I mean, the Morse Mag,

they were testing, you only need the two plugs to run that thing. You don't need all four. The thing is

like, you got like, on an FXR, yes, if you have a 114 with a fuel injection, just stock as fuck,

it's going to rip, dude. Yeah. I mean, my world three and my chopper is like pretty,

it's pretty good, right? Yeah. But to me, the simplicity of like making these things run just

off the bare minimum it needs, it opens the door for me for more reliability. You know what I'm

saying? Nowadays, a lot of them, like a lot of the newer systems are pulling like information off

of like vacuum from something up in the intake and like a crank position sensor to know what the

firing sensor is to ship. Yeah. So that's like two, there's two sensors that you need to operate

the entire motor as opposed to, you know, if you have a computer, then all of a sudden your

twist grip sensor doesn't work right. And nothing works, you know, or I don't know, I just find it

like a carbureted version of all this stuff is more simplistic and more less of a hassle.

You can fix it on the side of the road. Yes. Because you could 100% be on one of these bikes

and be dead on the side of the road. That's like when you're driving down the highway and you see

somebody with a 2022, you know, Hyundai or something, they got the hood open and they're

looking underneath it. What are you doing? You're not going to fix that car.

I was like looking at my Jeep for this trip to come up here and I was like,

let me go open the hood and see what it looks like.

What does it look like? I could not find the power steering fluid.

I don't even know if it has power steering fluid. It's probably electronic power steering.

Yeah. I didn't even know that existed.

But you could fix your van if you broke down on the side of the road.

It's the TBI. It's the worst thing in the world. If there's a carburetor, it would be easy,

but it's like a TBI. Because when you have a carburetor, the fault is in less places.

The fault is either the carb don't work or your spark ain't working.

Yeah. You got fuel, you got spark. That's it. It's so much easier to diagnose it and realize,

okay, it's a bad spark plug. It's a bad coil. It's a bad carburetor. It's a claw carburetor.

You know what I mean? Yeah. That's just me personally, but I get it. A lot of people

are scared of FXRs because they're scared of having problems, right? Yeah, easy problems.

They're easy and they're problems that people should learn how to understand. If you don't

know the cross-referencing of, okay, if my motorcycle does not start, which one, two,

find out if it's working or not, and then go from there.

Tell you throw the charging system in there. That's, well, those are all things that you

learn. I feel like that's a natural progression to all things. If you start off on carbureted bikes

and you move into fuel injection or a better bike, because you're on a carbureted bike and

you had issues or whatever, then you can kind of deduce like, okay, well, what's going on here.

Same thing with like 3D printing, right? We started off on these freaking enders

that everybody starts off on and you're like leveling the bed and doing all sorts of other

stuff and you had to look at your print and figure out like, okay, well, it looks a little weird

here and my layer lines showing up here. It looks a lot weird everywhere. Oh, this squish is wrong.

So this is what's wrong with the 3D printer. So you know what to go and fix, right? Yeah. I feel

like that goes across the board like everything. Oh, yeah. So if you start off with like a carbureted

bike, you know the issues, you're able to kind of figure that out on new until you get to pull

your laptop out. Right. Remember your fucking password. Your face, your face thing is like,

shit, I'm not wearing my glasses. Damn, I gained too much weight.

So we have mics on our chest. So like when we go to the bathroom,

they're gonna add that stuff out though. I'll fucking forget.

I will forget. Like a motherfucker will be, yeah, because if you don't watch the whole thing back,

what I do is like, sometimes when it's a lot, like a gap between how long I, you know, it is

before I edit a podcast and put it out, like I'll look on the timeline for a couple spots of like

being quiet and we're not being quiet right now. So I probably will have forgotten this

and there will be in the video and you know, there's that. Yeah, there's this. It's real.

You know, the, yeah, not like that. Yeah. I think the carbureted

FXR stuff is good. It's just good to have like options. Yeah. You know, and

personally, I feel like you can, you can customize more with a carburetor. You have less

to hide. You have, you, you have more options of what you can do with your, your, your tanks,

things like that. Oh man, there would be nothing to that bike. And especially if you did the Morse

mag, I mean, you wouldn't need to hide a coil anywhere, run any wires to power the coil.

You'd have nothing to run that bike starter. It would be very interesting to see how well

the mag keeps up with like how it compares to like a normal coil. Like, like put it,

get it done, put it on a dyno and see what it, so yeah, I agree. I'm interested in the whole

concept and he looks sick as hell. They do. You know, yeah. So there's drunk friend to touch it.

I've never been hit with one of those before, but I hear it's pretty brutal.

The brutal thing is like the kickback on the kicker. Yeah. I've done that before. I did that.

We had the timing way wrong on just an XS650 Yamaha and that thing fucking throw you over the

handlebar. Yeah. Yeah, it was crazy. Yeah, I'm learning that right now. I'm dealing with that

as we speak. Like, uh, I got, I finally got to ride my chopper, which was, was absolutely sick.

260 kicks, 260 to get it started. But it was me fucking with the timing figured out because

there's like a bunch of videos online that tells you how to time it and I do what the video says.

But then I think that my crank is a different crank from like a new, like there's, I feel like

there's things that are off. Yeah. So I found that like, obviously you advance the timing,

I think is what it is. And then it makes it want to fucking kick you back, right? Yeah. Because

it's firing before it's needed. So you get it to that spot and then it starts, right? But

what I got, what's weird is now that it's all, like once it's running and I go ride it and I have,

I, it'll, it'll start every time. Once it's warm for the rest of the day, but to get it warm. It's

like, I'm, the motor's hot for me kicking the bitch over, you know, like I feel the temperature,

the head's changing. It's like 30 minutes of kicking. What is happening? So what you're saying

is you want to win Danger Dan's kicking contest? Absolutely. Absolutely. Has Corey had any insight?

Like Corey's definitely been, he's, he's, he's checking in on me. Like, hey, you know, he wants

to help, but he's also like me and Corey both agreed. Like at this point, like I need to,

I need to figure this out. And I kind of did. Take you out of the nest. Yeah. It's like,

you gotta fucking get your own fucking worms. And the whole point of this is all the shit I'm

learning about this bike is to prepare me for when I do travel on this bike. Then I want to be able

to, to really have a connection with it, to understand it, right? Because once it starts,

like dude, I, I've, I've got 40 miles on my belt on this motorcycle. So I can't tell you that

fuck these bikes, dude. It's all about jumping. Yeah. Yeah. I'm not going to say that, but I will

say that it is a absolutely different, interesting, and I had to look up what this rule meant

because I've heard it used the sentences before, but I had to find out what it meant and like,

that is what it means. So for you guys, go look it up. Yeah. It is a, it's a wild experience,

man, but it's like I'm riding that bike at like 65 miles an hour. And it's just like,

I probably look like a really overweight dude, the way I'm hunched over, but I feel fucking cool

at shit, dude. And I don't know how to explain like, that's your bell custom 500 on. No, I'm, I'm

your gringo bill. Well, the chopper dudes told me where to get the good helmet.

But it's a vibe, dude. Like, and you know, I'm, I'm still T bar and I got 14 inch T bars on there.

They're narrow. So you're like this one on the road and your jockey shift and foot clutch, right?

Yeah. No front brake. It's, it's the hardest thing to ride, but it's like you're, you're like

really engaged in the entire thing. You got to be right. Like, yeah. Yeah. That's a lot of thinking

going on. So foot clutch and the jockey. Yeah. When you come to lights, you're making a decision.

Can I wait this one out? Yeah. Yeah. I just put it in neutral and coast up and then click it back

in or and then what sucks is because I'm running like, uh, like traditional mid controls on it.

Like Corey has a, a mid control kid. He's Corey's known and I didn't realize this

in the chopper world for mid controls. Yeah. So he has these high Frisco mids and then

he used to have the mids I have, which are called training mids and he made a set of training mids

and for mine and, and they're perfect when you're on it, but it does put, put it to where the kicker

is like, I can't close the kicker in because it's right where my leg would be. So I have to

leave the kicker out. Okay. So then when I'm riding and I do need to come to a stop, I have to kick

my leg out over the kicker to hold it. Otherwise I'll like fucking get caught in there and drop

the thing or something. Like when you got someone on the back of your bike, yeah, yeah, exactly.

Their foot goes right into the back here and you're like, oh, sure. Yeah, I got that problem.

You know, exactly what I'm talking about. That's what we're really talking about.

But no, it's, it's a different experience, man. And, and, and I think I was talking about this

with, with, uh, Colin and Steve last time on that podcast, but the thing is, like, I don't know if

this is like, this is, this is just a challenge for me. This is a, this is a, a bucket listing.

I've always wanted to experience something I always want to try. I'm actually in love with

the way the bike looks and feels. And, you know, I'm not coming off of a road glide jumping on a

chopper and then going across country. I'm, I'm kind of coming off of familiar things. Yeah. This

is a little bit more, a lot more deeper into that path. And I really want to have that experience,

man. I want to be able to say like, yo, I rode, like my goal is to ride this thing to California

for born free next year. You know, but before that, I want to go to San Francisco, the entire,

the hardest fucking place to ride this kind of bike. Yeah. And on all them hills and shit.

You deal with it. You know, it's going to be awesome though. That's, that's one of those things,

like you set a goal and you achieve it and makes it that much better. Right. And it just, it opens

the doors. I mean, like I, there's a part of me that wants to build another chopper because I,

I really did enjoy the process. And there's a part of me that wants to do it with much less

help from Corey. You know what I mean? That way it's like, I'm, I'm actually taking on some of it

more myself. Yeah. I mean, I'm actively looking for a later right now. That's the next thing that

I'm trying to get a lay than a torch or the next two things in the shop. And I feel not,

not that it would be easier to make an FXR chopper than it would be to do a hard tail again on a

chopper. But I feel like I'm, I understand the neck. I understand the front more than understand

the back. Yeah. So we built like the hard tail kit. Like it was just tubes. It was already

pre-bent from my fab Kevin. Yeah. And so we've, and I had, I got videos that will come out about

the whole thing. Hopefully before the end of the year, I'll have the whole series out. But

it was, it was very like, it seemed like, like, if you buy one of those hard tail kits, you just

click in, you cut it at the right spots and put it on. I can do that all fucking day long, right?

Right. But the way we did it was very, I learned so much in this process. And it, and the thing is

that like, it's like, I guess you would also say on this is like, you, you under, you've done all

the research, you've asked the questions, everybody, but then there's all these things,

these nuanced things that you find out in the process. Yeah. There's a lot, there's a lot of

nuance to those bikes, like building those things. And they're like, and shout out to Corey too,

because when we were first going through this, there would be times where I'd come to a crossroad

and be like, ah, shit, I need to, I need to reach out to Corey and like ask questions before I go

any further before I mess something up. And it was awesome. He was awesome about that. Like,

he would give you the information. And then also like you said, like, okay, like here's, here's

the tidbits, like go forth and prosper, like, yeah, figure it out, right? So that was that part

of the process was very cool. I thought Corey is like, I want to say the amount of time I

spent with him, I think that the, the one thing is he wants to share this knowledge that he's

acquired building these bikes over the years, but he also wants to see a level of effort.

Oh, well, just like expectation, right? Yeah. And that should be like, it's like,

I've always heard you say on podcasts, like, don't don't like just don't randomly come to me with a

question like, oh, how do you airbrush? Yeah, ever like, I need to see that you've tried some things

or you're down a path and you're like, yes, you're just not shat up at a various, you need a little

bit of help to get past that point. Right? That's, and that's kind of where we're at. So yeah,

because I mean, think about it, like if someone they're going to, they already are asking you,

hey, how do I do an M8 swap? And you're like, well, you know, I sell that like,

but there's a lot, there's a lot, but it's like, what part? Because if you're, if you are just,

you don't even have a frame, you bought the kit, you ain't even got a welder. You're trying to

figure this out. Like, I ain't got time to explain this to you. And you know, nothing against those

people that do ask those questions. So if they watch this podcast, don't take it personally.

But if you ask a basic question like that, we're probably not going to answer because it's just

too much. That's going to turn into a really long conversation that unfortunately we just don't have

the time to do it. Yeah. You know, but if you, if you make a DVD and you sell it to somebody and

they have to go find like, hopefully they have a PlayStation as a disc, it's Leslie. It's less

going to be able to get transferred to everybody. So this information can stay. I'm going to do it in

a VHS. And if you send it back and hear where you wound, $5 extra. Yeah. But there's the thing,

like that's the funny thing is like all of this stuff is like the majority of the information

you need is out there. It just takes a little bit of like research, like watching videos,

whatever, like a lot of this stuff is out. I've seen a couple of people post exactly where you

need to cut. Yeah. I mean, it's all out exactly what you need to do. And I think if you if you're

able to search on the internet and look at Instagram, you can. Yeah. 100%. If you got the

computer and you can't find us and ask the question, you have the ability to run and all

the other information is out there. And it's plentiful these days. It really is. Yeah. I mean,

dude, that's everything. You know, we're seeing that influx of everybody starting YouTube channels,

which is ultimately good, but it's like, I mean, it is good. It is good for all brands to find a

way to show the world what they're doing and whatnot. Yes. But it does flood the market with

YouTube videos. Yeah, it really does. And I also don't want to see, you know, and it's not just

specific to an M8 FXR. It's all bikes, but people building junky stuff and also flooding the market.

And then now you have all this like half ass, unsafe stuff out there to my big wheel baggers.

I don't know nothing about a big wheel bagger, but I can't get this wobbly. I'm like,

you got 15 inch subwoofers. I'm like, yeah, your magnets weigh about 40 extra pounds.

Yeah, dude, like, why don't you not do that? Yeah. Yeah. Or the fact that like 90% of the big

wheel baggers, the next that were cut off of those things never were put on a frame pig ever. Yeah.

You know, like I did like four of them. I never put on a frame. You know, it's like it, it was

designed, the whole world was designed that if you cut it this way and it slips on a certain way,

yeah, it's within a tolerance that apparently hardly starts to so off or whatever. But it's

just one of those things, you know, and, and there is, you know, I think Corey kind of alluded

to this in the videos when we did the FXR chopper that to your point, to the point we were just

making, I get asked every fucking day what we did on the bike. And I'm like, I sent him a

video. I'm like, look, I could just answer this for you and get nothing or you can at least give me

a view, right? Which will accumulate to something. Yeah. It's like, you know, you do this stuff.

And like you said, nobody wants to search for it. It's like, I, I almost, in the opposite where I

searched to nauseam to find out the information 100% in the last option is to ask the question.

Yeah. You know, that's the absolute, like, I will try my damnedest not to ask anybody for it.

Because first off, I don't want to, like, I don't want to bug anybody. Yeah. I don't want to be that

guy. Like, so chances are we're researching and researching and researching and trying things before

we even go down that path. Yeah. In all things, really. I mean, so yeah, but it'll be good to see

like, to your point of like, it felt like in the big world, it got, it felt like it got so

forward. Everybody just wanted to have the wheel in the, in the look that it didn't matter what

else was going on. It was just more of a, the visual aspect of it. And then in the performance

banger world or performance in general, like it, there's always going to be like shady looking

bikes, like sketchy looking shit shows. Yeah. Right. I mean, a lot of the FXRs you're going to

find that you're going to start your builds on, look a little skate. They've gone through generations

of, they'll be met up. So those things exist and whatnot, but like, fuck, I don't know, man.

It's a shit show. It is, but then you can make it not a shit show. We can bring it back from the

dead. Again, that's again, why one of the reasons why as we knew we were going to do this again,

that's one of the reasons we partnered with Tony. That's one of the reasons we're

releasing something to make this a little bit easier for folks wanting to get into it, right? So

that you can then focus that attention in time. I can't wait to see his face. Did all the emails

come in? I'm going to tell him to send them. So I got your kid. I'm going to tell him to send it

to Tony. I'm going to tell him to send it to Ramjet and it will be good. Does the oil take a plate?

Can it go either way? Is there a top or a bottom? You should have to put a little feel on it.

All right. Yeah. Yeah. Two little fingers at the bottom. Yeah. Flip them up or fit that way.

No. Yeah. That's yeah. And again, what better person to partner with than Ramjet and FXR

Guru, right? Yeah. And you can put as many notes and descriptions as you want on your

website listing like, hey, yes, like for the front engine mounts, perfect example, right?

It uses the forward foot control mount on the FXR.

Big bold letters, requires fabrication. You still need to dish that out. And it's,

you know, we get people like, these don't bolt up. Well, did you dish the thing out? And then it's

like crickets, you know, you don't hear anything. Like, oh, I didn't. Or I thought we, I thought

about using those for like the, like a twin cam style, because that's a twin cam style motor

mount still, right? Yeah. But it won't, you'd still have to dish that out. I mean, yeah, dish it

out. But like, yeah, say if someone was doing a twin cam and they didn't want to factor, they

didn't want to utilize the factory, you know, isolator, they wanted to kind of go to those

outside pieces. I mean, there's potential. Well, I think what chopper house, does he make those

already? Yeah, but I don't know how the chopper house, they still mount to that front plate,

though, right? The chopper house ones, because you know, it mounts to the outside. Okay. So the

dyna is the same way. They use the dyna stuff, because you don't have the dyna front mount,

motor mount is like the same. You haven't had any diners yet. So the diners have a really bad

motor mount situation. Yeah, yeah. So the rear, the front of the same mount, essentially, and they

isolated in a strain or in a very shitty way. And if you run like a bagger style, you know,

with the isolators that come on the baggers on both sides, it gives a little bit more structural

rigidity in the front. So it's not doing this in the frame as much. Okay. You know what I mean?

Yeah. So what I'm wondering is like, if there's, if this, if it fits an M8 and the M8 is,

so the M8 doesn't have the shelf, right, it sits on like a twin cam, but it is the rod that goes

to it, which is what the shelf is on an M8 or on a twin cam. I know they hate it. Yeah. You know.

Yeah. It's possible. Yeah. We'd have to do the research and to figure it out. But yeah.

There's potential there, for sure. Yeah. And then you could run a twin cam like that. Yeah.

Yeah. Because you still got that top mount. Yeah. So I'm doing a twin cam on this,

FXR, I'm picking up to build for this guy. And, you know, like we did the twin cam,

twin cam in my FXR chopper, but we also spaced it up to kind of level the motor in the frame,

because technically the twin cam sinks down a little bit lower. Okay.

Just for a visual thing, it kind of pulls it up and looks a little bit better. But

because we pulled it up, we didn't have to remove the back plate on the bottom.

The old pan cleared it, but we still had to swap out a different cross member and all that type

of shit. Yeah. So then it's like you're trying to like decide, is it worth it doing the bolt-on

mid-controls? Because then that turns into like also drilling the primary and creating that or,

you know, do you run like aftermarket mid-controls for the baggers?

You know, I'll tell you what, like I have both, right? And I like the Dynas set up,

the bolt-on, because it's not bolt-on motor. It's just amazing. It's a better piece of

mind, I think going through it. It really is, dude. It really is. And I think, again,

that's one of the pieces that'll be available from Tony's kid as we collab together, like

those all-be parts that'll be available. Got you some water as we move forward with this thing.

It's going to be great. It's M8FXRs for everybody.

I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. It's going to be interesting to see how

much all of this grows over the next year. I mean,

it's the next Twin Cam Swap. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, it is, yeah. It's kind of one of those things,

right? Like, I feel like it's, so when Twin Cam Swap came out for FXRs, I'm sure all the

diehard EVO guys were probably like, what is this? What's this crap? Get this out of here.

Or was it more like they intercepted? I think that, of course, I think that that whole thing

happened a long time before we ever were, we were probably still playing in different worlds.

But I don't know this. I think people having opinions was only

once social media came out. Yeah. You know, so you gotta think that Twin Cam came out

well before social media. Right, right. So it's like, what these dudes were doing,

I mean, I have a lot of ease writers from the 90s and they were doing some pretty wild

shits. They were chopping FXRs and making FXR choppers. Yeah. It's just that, you know,

who knows where that ended, landed and who that became, you know, like I literally opened up

a magazine once and saw like my FXR chopper, you know, right in it from a 96, you know,

easier, right? I'm like, yeah, I'm kind of this.

Seeing this shit before. I think that like you just have, we could talk about this is probably

controversial. All right. All right. FXRs and motorcycles are not personalities.

Right. Yeah. It's a bike. Yep. And you can know a lot about this bike or not a lot about this bike.

Right. But it's not like, it's not like you're a biker, you're not an FXR.

You know what I'm saying? Right, right. Like it's just, it's just a machine that you know

about that you love and I get it. It's FXRs are fuck off, right? But like,

but it's at the same time, it's like, dude, like you're like, you're super active on every

fucking chat. I don't even, like you answer every question. Like,

it just seems, it's kind of ridiculous. It's got a cult following. Yeah. It's like, you could

tell it's like dudes that like they found a thing that's, that's cool, that's not blown out.

Right. And they can kind of like be the guy in it. You know what I mean? And I'm just like,

oh man, like I, I really don't engage in all the chat rooms. I don't, you know, get involved.

I don't want to be, I wonder how those guys feel about the M8 swap. Who fucking cares?

Not one of those dudes in these chats fucking pay my bills or any of that shit. Like I think

that what we're doing is we're making these bikes, like we're giving them a new lease on life the same

way when they found it, the guys before us found it. And when the guys, they got to buy them off

this show room, like all we're doing is keeping this thing badass, you know? And if, if a motherfucker

wants to build that with it, if he wants to chop it and put it in the air, if they want to fucking

turn them into goddamn, uh, what did, what did, uh, we put the pan American motor in one? Like, yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I saw that. Yeah. You know, like go for it. Right. I mean, it's like,

I spent my money on this bike and you as another adult seem to think that you have some kind of

sale over what I spend my money on, right? You know, um, I'm, I think about further advance the

platform, right? Yeah. I keep, I mean, really, when you look at these things, all these things

that we're building, I mean, the forms of art, really dudes want to be the, I'm the FXR guy.

Yeah. Like, cool, man. What's that?

What's that over there? Yeah. Yeah. What does that go to?

What was that at all? Well, it's like, okay, if you're the FXR guy and you've never had anything

but an EVO, like it sounds like you'd need to go to back to college and get the next, uh, certificate.

Right. Have you got the twin cams? Have you got the twin cam certificate?

You know, so it just doesn't seem like a, like an ideal thing to kind of like die on that hill.

Like, look, man, like, I love these bikes. I really do. Every time I've done one,

it's changed my life in a positive and better way. And that's, that's that. It's still, you know, like,

I eventually will get my little triangle tattoo and join that club. Yeah. But I'll stay on just the

other day. I'll get one of them. Yeah. I only got one now. So I need to, you know, you balance it

out. Like, yeah. Well, I mean, I need to get a few, I need to get a few more FXRs before you get

flying the triangle. You know, I mean, then I can really say that, I mean, it's easy to go,

like have a bunch, like one of each generation, right? Good. What would the generations be though?

If you have an EVO, a twin cam and an M8 FXR, so that's one of the different stuff.

That's the problem though. Like, I don't, like, I think, yeah, I should, but there, therein lies the

problem because once, like you said, once you're at like a certain point, it's like, you can't go

backwards because there was a perfect deal the other day that Chris and us on a freaking twin

cam motor that would have been, oh yeah, 203 for like 1200 bucks. I don't know if the whole

drive frame. Yeah. Where's it at? Oh, fuck. Yeah. Like, I'm looking at it. I'm literally driving

to Milwaukee or up to Minnesota right now and I'm on Marketplace there. We're trying to find a twin

cam. I don't need the motor, but I need everything else. Yeah. That took Chris. Yeah. Yeah. He can

find stuff if you're, if you're fine. So all the time. But I want to, I want the most modern

six speed transmission, the whole kit, caboodle. There was a DX.

It was like 2500 bucks. I think it had, I don't know, 36,000 miles on it or something. It looked

pretty decent, decent shape. The guy's like, I got too many project needs to go. And I think it was

like 300 miles from Chris. We were going to split it. I just wanted the frame. He could take whatever

else we'd sell it, split the money, but it was like 300 miles away. And I'm like, man,

if he'll take two, then let's do it. Otherwise, don't waste your time driving.

So I think the guy ended up selling it that day anyways. Yeah.

Well, it's your point of like going backwards. Like, I think that it's just a matter of time before

you want a different experience. And absolutely. Motors create different experiences. Yep. You

know, inmate is good. And if you can afford to swing them all and, you know, whatever, it makes

sense, right? But twin cams in FXR frames are pretty fucking rowdy as well. Oh, yeah. And

a carburetor version of that is so simple. You know, and it's like this more simplistic.

I think the more simplistic, the more I can enjoy it, you know, like, yeah, like there is,

there is a version of that I want 100%. But yeah, at the same time, it's like, okay,

I don't have 50 grand. Yeah. You know, I'd have no problem doing a EVO or a twin cam,

just bare bones. Yeah. You know, just nothing on it. Absolutely nothing. Yeah.

And just rolling it, ride it around town, ride to the gas station, do whatever. I don't think I

tour on it, but I mean, the tour on a twin cam all day. Yeah. I mean, that's kind of the challenge

in me is like, okay, well, I want to ride a bike that I feel like I can, I want to be a little

scared it might not work just a little bit. You don't want to get cocky out there in the middle

of nowhere, like on your, like, I think y'all were traveling across the country and you got

to Utah with your cruise control on. Get a little cocky. Yeah. Shit blew up.

95 degrees. Elevation changes. Yeah. I would like to, I would like to do a

shovel head FXR like Renny's. I've been wanting to do one of those for a while.

Yeah. I mean, if you did one at each stage, you'd have to throw that in there too. Yeah.

You know, I just, I think that there's just like, there's so much room for different styles and it's

like, I did it. I mean, you know, Cody Childress just did that fucking 136 M8,

you know, chrome molly FXR, you know, chopper style. It's like a 147 or something. Yeah,

it's something like it's all crazy. What's Cody's 147? Yeah, it's like a 147. I think he

punched out too. Yeah. I think it's nuts. So I mean, there's, you could do the chop in that

flavor if you'll inject it at all. There's that option. I mean, like you said, there's so many

ways you can go, but that's the cool thing about, like you said, that's the cool thing about these

bikes is like, you can do whatever. Like there's so many different routes you can go. Yeah. And if

you can't make it cool, that's on you, dude. But like, you know, if you take like the power plant

FXR choppy did a couple of years ago and the way Rennie did his bike, yeah, there's a part of me

like where that whole like not seeing anything. Yeah. And weren't wondering how this thing right

if you had the fucking magneto in that motherfucker, every time I see every time I see

Rennie's bikes was like, you have the magneto, all you need is a little like a

Urus cell battery on that motherfucker. Yeah. Just to help out use the capacitors like we

used on the freaking, well, are you excited? No, I don't think so. I mean, you could.

I'm not trying to kickstart a one and one or whatever. When it goes. Oh, yeah, I've got to get

an M8. When it goes, I'll be like, just put an Evo there. Oh wait. Yeah.

124. Do you love your kneecap? Or do you not? Your whole day. Some push, some push some

compression releases that are. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'm pretty good kicking over bikes now

on top of this. I mean, yeah, dude, man, it's still on start. So we got extra weight to say

you can jump on this. But yeah, that would be pretty gnarly to kick over 124.

Yeah, that's probably not the best move there. I can't even imagine we're like talking like,

you don't have anything. It's like, oh, yeah, there's a starter.

A battery big enough to make the starter. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's still a thing.

But I mean, if you could guarantee it was going to start, you know,

then you probably just need something just big enough. Yeah. Get two or three cycles out of

that and then hopefully it just charges up while you're going on the road. Well, right now, like I

was saying with mine, I do not have a brand new carburetor on it. So that's kind of one of the

things that I like to do when I build bikes is to put brand new things that are maintenance,

like new charging system, new fuel system, things like that. But I need to like, I don't

know these motors. So like I'm trying to learn from people like where to get the timing set,

how to set the carburetor up. And once you get all that dialed in right, they typically

are way easier to start if they happen. Oh, yeah. Right. And then you kind of get

what it wants. It wants three squirts, kick it over three times, then turn the key on,

give it one squirt, kick it over one more time. And then like the next one,

kick it over and give it some gas. And then bam, it's like, it's rather every, every time.

An old production. That's how I get it. That's how I get it to come.

Three squirts and turn the key on. Yeah, a little, but I mean,

like I said, I don't, I don't wish this mentality upon anybody from our world,

but it's just for me, it's just something like, it's a challenge, man. Like it's a challenge

to do something like that, to build a bike in that world. And, and then I will say this,

like in the whole time of building this, this, this chop with Corey,

trying to keep traditional values and proportions and, and stance and

the things that I put on there and the way I made it work, it ended up becoming like,

I guess what you would call the fast side touch onto it. And you think it's just some

billet wheels and a more performance looking exhaust, right? But then you add it to like,

it does have T bars. It does look kind of bitching and whatnot.

I had a lot of people in the chopper world say that, you know, like, oh, dude, that's,

that is, that is you. Yeah. You know what I mean? I'm like,

okay, I didn't, I was just hoping you would like it. Yeah. Yeah. It was a really weird

building that bike because it's something that I'm not familiar with. And I wanted to pay homage

to all the friends I've made in the chopper world to the bikes that they built that I like,

but also feel like I'm being true to myself, putting what we did to it. Right. So, and that's

what it looks like. I mean, you can tell it's got your style. I mean, I appreciate it. I don't

know really what that style is. I kind of want to do another one already. Like that's how it goes.

Isn't that weird how that happens? Like, I think you get addicted to that. Yeah. That

high that's going on while you're, while you're creating. Yeah. You know, 100%.

Like as soon as, as soon as, as soon as we got back from the tour, it was like,

what do we know? Yeah. Yeah. What are we doing? Like you're so like, I go, hang on my family. I

know, right? Like you're so exhausted and whatever from the, like when you push this thing on the

trailer, you're like riding to the first stop or whatever. Like I, I think I fell asleep on the

way down to Paul's and, but then you get done with all like this whole tour. You're riding a

bike and it's like, holy shit, this is awesome. I guess the greatest feeling in the world being

on that bike that you spent so much time building. It was. And then you get back home. Very rewarding.

Holy shit. Like I want to do that again. But it's like, you, it's like, you totally forget

the hell that you went through to make it happen. You know what I mean? And it's just nuts. Like

down to the last night, you know, like I didn't get, he got to ride his like

up and down the street real quick. I couldn't even ride my mind was so freaking ungodly loud.

Like we thought we were probably going to get the cops called on us. So we didn't,

mine just came off the lift straight on the trailer in the morning, but getting back after

all that shit, it was like, man, I'm bolting a pivoted shaft. That's awesome. Yeah. And the parking

forgot to sign that one. Like that's what happens, man. You're crushing yourself for like

months on end. I mean, hell that was so like three months or not three months. It was probably like

we, I think we had two weeks before was when we drove. So we left Thursday night. We left on

night, went to Virginia Beach to pick up paint from Jeremy. That's right. And Shane and then

like straight through just drove all the way up, picked up stuff, drove home like immediately.

And then we got back, I think we got back like Saturday at like three or four AM went to sleep.

We're back at the shop at 12 AM, like start putting damn things. Yeah.

You just forget all that shit instantly. It's like, do that again.

It's a stress though, right? It's like a stress that like, when you hear people that are like,

I'm trying to avoid all the stress of this. It's like, well, that stress is the purpose of that.

That's the driver less, you know, and it's like, it's stressful because it's meaningful.

Yeah. You know, and there's, there's, there's something on the other end of that that you

want to accomplish, which causes the stress of things going on, right? Yeah. And if you plan to

so far out in advance or you were able to finish so quickly, then it wasn't a challenge for you.

Possibly. I mean, I would say, I would say that like Dennis Punt and Corey are very good at

that, that ability to be ahead of schedule. Yeah. Right? Yeah. Like, because Corey was done with his

FXR for the tour, relatively like before, I want to say before October and he had time to shake it

down. Yeah. Yeah. Dennis. They say they would Dennis, right? And I think that it's just a con,

it's just one of those things that like, there's, there's nothing wrong with like coming down to

the wire. It's just like, you don't know, I mean, think about it. Like when you're doing a bagger

and you're bolting these parts on like, it's like, okay, well, you know, it's a time. Yeah.

But you're making things go together that don't necessarily supposed to happen. Yeah.

It's kind of the first time you're doing it on this platform, on this level with

this much shit. So it's like, it's bound to be that way. Yeah. But if you do it again,

like, look, I would have not have been in my boat of getting my chopper done

for Born Free. If the dude I ordered my wheels from in January that said it was going to be four

weeks would have got me the wheels in four weeks. Yeah. I didn't get the wheels from,

from him. I ordered them in January. I didn't get the wheels till September 15.

Right. At that point in time, I had already had to go get other wheels just to, yeah,

mock that thing up. I mean, I got a roller. Yeah. Because you, you know, on the chopper,

you can't move forward without the exact wheels, which I didn't have another one exactly. Right.

To mock up with the tire to know where the fender goes and how to get all that

finished the fabrication. I literally had 24 hours to paint my bike. You know what I'm saying?

Shit was still carrying in the, in the van. Yeah. She looked good though for 24 hours. Damn, it's a smell.

No. Why are my eyes crossed right now? So essentially,

I wouldn't have been in the boat that I was in if this person that I bought the wheels from

would have got had me wheels in time. You know, I mean, essentially when I built my gold FXR,

I, I would have been three days ahead of schedule if there's a plug for the Daytona twin tech

ignition stuff or the, yeah, the ignition stuff. Well, the plug will go in either way.

Yeah. Even though it's not supposed to. So whether it was my fault or the guy that was

helping me, like I'll take the blame, it was plugged in wrong. And we could not get the

fucking to start to start for days. I'm calling Daytona twin tech. Like, do your shit does not

work. Yeah. Like what's happening, right? It just doesn't fucking work. And then like one day,

I, I swear to God, I was taking a bath. I'm stressed out. I'm laying in the tub. I got my legs on

the fucking back wall. Just like up in the air. Just like to make sure the torso is in the water.

I want to get, put your taint was in there.

You got that little wooden charcuterie board.

And it was like 1130 at night. It was 1130 and I was just laying in the,

I was stressed out. I could not figure out how to do this or what to do. Yeah.

And then I was like, it really did hit me. I like, I wonder if it's just if the plug

is the problem. And I got dressed, went back to the shop, swapped the plug out, it started up.

I would have had four days. I lost four days trying to fight troublesuit that. Holy,

you know, their support never said like, no, I don't know. And it blew my mind because I didn't

think to check it. I thought it only would go in one way. Yeah. But it could go in either way. And

that's literally what the issue like an oval plug. Yeah. Like a, like a, like that, you know.

And so did that and it was done. And then of course, once I got it, I've always said this,

like you, you got, you get the bike ride it, like you go ride it down the road or you start it.

That'll let you know a couple of things you need to think. Yeah. All right. Then you take care of

those. You get it on the road and the road will give you the rest of what you need to know about

finishing this bike. Yeah. That's why the test ride, maybe a thousand miles or 500 miles away,

it's good to have. Yeah. Whether it is loose bolts or it is like, you know, for me on my FXR

job, what the problem that we had on the trip, which I've said a lot is was just the charging

issue was not, it was literally just the routing of my plug for my rectifier. It was too binded

the way it was going. And the road broke the plug on the inside. Yeah. Causing the thing not to charge

now, which is the hardest thing to fucking diagnose. Yeah. Cause you can't see it inside.

And if it's, it could show that it's like a connectivity. Like if you're using a multimeter,

right, it could show that it's charging in all mouth. Yeah. Until you're like

moving and then it like, nope. Yeah. Nope. 100%. So I have a similar issue with this. And I burned

up a fricking regulator and a, and a charging rotor on this bike, going down to Kyle's,

cause I was going to ride this to that Arkansas trip in it. I get down there, everything's fine.

Then we go to leave cause we stayed the night at Kyle's, we go to leave the next day,

I'm going down the road and it's like 13, six. God fuck what the fuck's going on. Then it's like

10. I'm like, okay. So clearly we're not charging. Yeah. So then dropped it off at Kyle's.

Took his son soft to his son. It was a soft tail. Now what I rode at the time,

it was still Kyle's and I rode that all weekend and he had his guy that works for him, Matt,

like they had to use the regulator. They put it on there. He's like, oh, Matt says, you know,

it's charging now. Cool. I leave to go home. Once we get back to St. Louis and I get not,

you know, 20 minutes from Kyle's and get on the interstate and here we go again, 13, six. I'm like,

so I'm just got this thing, paying 95 miles all the way home. I just got to get home. Yeah.

Dropped like 12 and a half and then it will go up, get back here, start doing all the tests.

I'm like, okay, well definitely burned up the charging rotor. Okay, burned up this regulator too.

Took all the shit off his bagger. Then went, put it all in there. The parts bike and then it's like,

we know it's all working and that's like 13, six. So then I'm like tracing every single thing.

Finally, I put the meter on the DC lead and it's showing like 0.7 ohm of resistance,

like it's a bad fucking ground. I took the ground and I moved it from one bolt to the other,

14, three. Well, all that. Well, grounds are in poor ground. Yeah. Yeah.

It's like on the tour last year didn't do that. It was perfect. Yeah. No charging issues,

everything ran fine. Yeah. And that was the first ride that I had it out

from the winter. What was that, that, that trip? May. May. Yeah. So it was before born

three California. Yeah. Yeah. So it sat from October to May. It's like Justin Coleman always says

it's still an FXR. So you're going to have FXR problems no matter what, right?

What a fucking red one. Got all that fix. And then when we were on the tour this year,

like somehow that ground came loose even though it was under a star washer and a nylock.

Yeah. So don't know how that happened, but tighten it and then we were good. Yes.

So well, those are those little things like when I had my problem on the tour, like going to Durango

and like I said, as you can tell, like those situations, like you know what to check,

but this is such an anomaly. Yeah. It's like, you know, it's hard to pinpoint, right? It's also

high stress too, because yeah, just trying to get there, right? Yeah. So the other thing is like

once that was solved, like it was literally like I'd put 35,000 miles on that bike and like

literally nothing has gone wrong. It did. We did have a, where we put the kickstand originally on

the, like kind of on the backside of where your pegs are. Yeah. That part of the frame is very weak.

And so I learned that the hard way. So with my whole tour pack or not tour pack, my assist bar

packed out, ready to go on this big trip around the country, put on the kickstand. It's like,

oh no. So it twisted the lower frame because of where we welded it onto the frame. So I'm going

to California with like, I have a two by four hanging out on in the bag in my sissy bar bag.

So every time I get off, I got to throw the two by four underneath it. So it'll have a little bit

like a kickstand. Yeah. Yeah. And then, then I get to a point where like, okay, I'm going to stop

and buy a pack of hockey pucks when I get to California so that it looks better. Right. You

know, tape like three of them together. And that got me through born free. And yeah, I just had

to throw it out. But in the meantime, my wife was coming to LA and I had another like the block

not the kickstand, but the thing you weld on tape from Frank. So now I have the piece to fix it.

And then it was like, everybody I knew in LA who fabricated or built stuff was at the X Games

in Ventura. So there was literally nobody in town that I personally know. Yeah. To use a welder

or to have them do it themselves. That's why I ended up going to TBJ spot. Okay. That's where he

was like all under it. Like welding off. Yeah. I don't even know how he does that kind of shit.

He really didn't do a great job to be honest. I mean, still to this day, I don't like the welds.

Oh, I love that, dude. Was your frame painted though? Yeah, it's all fucked up. So at least you

could repaint it. Well, I mean, that was the intention. And then like this year, earlier this

year, I planned on taking it back apart and fixing it all. And then I just got busy with other stuff.

Yeah. And then when I went on the trip, the only bike trip I did this year, again,

my kickstand failed, but not the block, not the piece that comes off the frame, but the aluminum

gave and it split open. And I think that a lot of that was just due to the stress that it had

the first go around in the overtime. Mine had seemed fine all last year, but then we had our

bikes transported out to Born Free. And those dudes, I think they put the kickstand out and

tightened it down. Oh yeah. They transported the bikes on the kickstands. Kyrins was supremely

effed up. And then mine looked like it had a little bit of bend in it, but it didn't bend the tab.

Like widen that mouth. Yeah. And then when we were on the tour this year,

the first day we're going to get gas and I go to set it down and it

like jammed the check ball up inside of the kickstand. So then it rolled forward and I caught it.

And so for the next day and a half we were taking like a from a bit driver, a little bit,

and we were putting it in the front when I would put my kickstand down so then it couldn't fall

forward. Yeah. But then we got to Oklahoma. Was it Oklahoma? Tulsa or whatever? Yeah. He still has it in his

pocket. Momento. We got to put that in the shadow box. So I need to do some clean mud.

Completely just broke open. But then the next day we were then going to Frank's and

thank God for Megan. Yeah, she was like, yeah, I stole one out of a dude's build box. These are

the last two that we have. We're not making them anymore. Thanks you, Megan. Yes. Thank you, Megan.

And you know, we were able to get them on there. And then we talked to Frank when we were there like,

we're kind of married to that kickstand now because it's on the frame. Those frames are

powder coated. They're not painted. So they can't really be touched up. You need to get those out of

the made out of stainless steel or something. Yeah. And he's like, yeah, we'll look at, you know,

even if we do some one offs like we'll make you a couple out of steel, whatever that way,

it's just going to hold forever. Yeah. So. And then come to find out because I was looking to get

something recoded. I forget what it was, but they don't even make that powder coat color anymore.

For real? Yeah. Well, they can, you can, they can, I mean, your struck covers, I think. Yeah,

I can give them the color and the tip probably. I'm sure they still have it in there. Yeah,

they just don't sell it. I'm kind of torn right now because I have every intention of taking

my gold chop FXR apart 100% because I need to repaint the lower, fix that part of the frame.

I didn't do a lot to it. I just want to get it back dialed in. But there's a part of me that's

like, do I make it 100% what it was? Or do I find a way to kind of, do I take this to the next level

and do all the things to it? Yeah. Maybe I wanted to do before. Yeah. And so I'm kind of torn between

that. I do know that I want to build the motor. I want to go through, have the crank balance,

do cams. I want it to be a fucking rowdy motor. Yeah. Because I never wanted that because I

knew I was going to travel on it. Now that I'm not going to travel on it, I want it to like be,

I wanted you to hear it. Yeah. So that's going to be one of your legacy bikes. Yeah. I'm never

getting rid of that. Yeah. But I wonder if like, okay, do I keep like, I'll probably stick with

the gold for sure. I don't want to change it up all the way. But the wheels are from my first FXR,

the gold ones from a long time ago. So the anodizing is bad. I kind of want to pull the wheels apart

and like recode them and something. So I wonder, do I just go black or do I maybe, I mean, that's

where I'm wondering if I find a way to jazz it up to another level. Yeah. But then do I, or do I keep

it in the way that it is to be remembered that way? So I'm kind of torn with all that, right?

Deep charcoal. Deep charcoal. Not black sand. I'm not either. Unless it's like a matte, but like

anything over a satin finish. Yeah, I did. So on the recent FXR, the brown one,

it's gloss black on the frame. And then, but the entire, all the cases are matte black,

like a satin black. And so I contrasted it by doing satin and gloss with the

tubes and everything. You have to offset it. Yeah, offset it. Yeah.

Yeah, I'm with you on that. I'm kind of over black too. I really want to do some chrome stuff.

It's just hard to find good chrome, you know what I mean? Consistent, good.

It's aluminum. And then it's sericoat. Sericoat. Sericoat. For aluminum. For real.

Yeah. You don't have to scuff it or anything. Yeah, polish it up and

and it's perfect. Especially if you've got a really good polisher. Shout out to Shershine

Polishing, the Cater Illinois. Say that best. Say it again.

The roar of Borealis is going crazy right now, apparently. Like, yeah, out by my house,

my wife just sent me this photo. Oh, you can see it? Fuck. We had that, there's a,

you know, you can also see it a lot better when you take a picture of it on an iPhone.

Not an Android? No, definitely not. Well, there's a huge solar flare that

flare that happened like a day or so. Solar flare. Yeah. That core is light.

Oh, shit. All this water. Yeah, that a huge one like apparently came off the old sun there.

And I think that's what we're seeing is all the, you know, solar flare rights. Oh, shit.

Is that like the 3A, 3I Atlas or whatever the fucking aliens they were talking about?

Fire, ground, and moon or whatever. The atlants, the atlants, ATL ants.

For real, bro. That was awesome. They said the most profound shit ever on their speech,

the Adriatic 3000. Stuff starts in like little rooms.

True. That's true. Yeah. It's a true story, man. It really is. And, man, I'll tell you what,

there's, there's times every, like once a year, I'll go through a phase and I got to listen to

the album of the speaker, speaker box. I love the, yeah, one of the fucking best.

Both albums, just let them both play through. Yep. So fucking sick. You know what I mean?

A lot of clean motos started drinking around the island in the kitchen. Yeah. Yeah. Or in a garage

with like three incandescent light bulbs. Oh my God. That garage, so the last garage we did the

podcast in. Yeah, his old garage. Two fucking incandescent bulbs in it when we first started

doing it. Build this sporty job. Fucking lead sled hardtail. Couldn't even see anything in there.

And then in the wintertime, we had these like, we had this propane salamander, like salamander

furnace and get in there, your eyes be watering because it's like sitting there dying. I'm in

there fucking smoking. I'm getting secondhand inhalation, secondhand smoke the whole time.

Yeah, dude. It's a, I mean, I think that a lot of people that have been doing this, if you've,

if you've been doing this a long time and you've probably started, if you've just been doing this

in general, you'll, you're, there's probably a start that you might still be in that spot. You

know what I'm saying? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I definitely have stories of like some of the

shit that I had to do to get my fucking foot, like the places I painted. Yeah. I mean, yeah.

You know, most shops are like, it's a big warehouse and there's like that 10 by 10

office that you walk into. Yeah. Yeah. That was my paint. My first paint booth was one of those

offices in a big like bike shop. They're like, well, we could turn this office

into your spray room and I'm like doing sport bikes. So imagine taking like the fairings

as part of your, you know, I'm like, you gotta spray it on your face. Got a box fan in the window

with the furnace filter taped that way. Oh shit, dude. That's brutal. You know, but that's again,

that's the shit where you start like you start at one place and it just makes you

me, but that makes you a pretty way more appreciative when you get like, yeah. Well,

also, I mean, it's like when you want to tell people like, you know, it's, it's a form of pain

do so. Yeah. Like, like you, you didn't complain. It's like the guy that asked you how to do the

MA and he doesn't do anything first, right? The first step is to start making it start to take

steps and then you get to a point where you need to ask somebody. Right. And the same thing,

when I first started painting, I did whatever the fuck I figured out how to do. I'm a diver

that shit. And then I got to a point where people did help me out. People did give me the sauce and

tell me how to, you know, better what I was doing. And you know what I mean? Because they saw that I

was putting people in there to see that you were putting in the effort. Yeah. I'm 100%. Everybody,

like if everybody takes a step back and realizes that's what they want, the problem is everybody has

some kind of expectation, you know, and when they reach out to you, they expect you to give them

what they want because they asked and they're not used to being in a world where someone says no.

I mean, it's when they're like a customer. Yeah. Right. Yes. It's like whole mentality, right? Like

what bags were faring, right? That's all it is. That's all it is just on an extended scale. That's

it. You'll forever be the analogy for this. Seriously.

What faring is this, right? Yeah. Well, it's like, yeah. I mean, it's how hard, how hard you go up

or what's the dimensions and right. And I mean, there's, to me, I got to a point where I, yeah,

like I said earlier, I was just like, here's the YouTube link, but if you're, you don't want to

watch it, which I know you won't, it's four and a half inches up. Yeah. So she said.

That's an accurate face. Maybe too personal.

Motion in the ocean, not the pushing in the cushion.

Hey, it's just in the, it's just, it's in the pre-sale. That's all it is. Yeah. I mean,

that's right. Got to make sure. Hey, I sold this to you. You stuck now. Hey, yeah, I got what I want.

With everything going on, your newfound love for the FXRs, not newfound love, but you're,

you know, yeah, finally getting into these days. Yeah. I mean, you're, you're, you're definitely

sophomores now. I hope so, man. I hope so. I don't know if there's a technical threshold,

but like, if you were just going to put some high school terms on it, sophomore year, you know,

already at varsity. Yeah. College prospects. Letter my first few hours. So like, like,

what does 26 look like for the brand year? 26 for the brand, dude. Like our hope is to grow more

into the hard parts game. Come out with some more of the parts we've developed on these platforms

and some other parts that we've been working on. Dinos. Oh, my gosh, you're a joke.

Not Dinos. Come on.

It's a field camera. But yeah, like, and then ultimately, they're like,

just kind of grow the business, man. We want to see, so again, like we said,

we've been burning the candle at both ends. Eventually we want to build, we like, we want

the sole source of what we're doing, because this is something that we're very passionate about,

and we'd like to get behind 100%. Right. So ultimately, just branching out and more

parts or more development, more R&D on a lot more of these Harley platforms.

That's kind of where we're at. Seems good, too, that you guys are taking a very patient approach

at it, where you're not like pushing into it too hard or too fast and then trying to jump out of

like your kind of your safety net too fast. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, we always talk about

that. Like, we don't want to get too big for our britches, right? Like, we're trying to grow

into this stuff. That's why, I mean, don't get me wrong, this shop is 5,000 times what we're in.

We're working on my garage, but still it's something that's like small, manageable,

something that we can still grow into. So, I mean, that's kind of how we're taking

everything, right? We're taking everything slow, partnering with the right folks,

as we're trying to branch out and build any of these things, like learning from the right folks.

It's been a godsend to have Tony from Ramjet, we've been working with FXR division on things,

it's been a godsend to be working with so many different people from the industry

and like kind of learning from them. I feel like should collaborations are key. Yeah.

We didn't come out of the gate and just, at least I don't feel like we didn't just blow up all

of a sudden. You know, we've been kind of going into it, like you said, nice and slow,

not trying to step on anybody's toes, like I get that, I've been building bikes,

he's been building bikes for a long time, you know, we understand like,

hey, these are the big guys in the game, I'm not trying to come out there and just like take

their spot. I want to learn from those people and work with those people and build those

relationships and, you know, I think, you know, I've heard from multiple people, like

there's enough out there for everybody to eat, let's all work together, like let's not try and

come in and be the top dog and do our thing and you get more out of collaboration than you do,

just being on an island by yourself. If you think about it like this,

not everybody, like if you can be a brand that inspires people to want to get on motorcycles,

but then as they get into it, they find other brands that they kind of maybe more

aligned with what their own persona style, whatever, that's the whole point and bikes first,

those brands are doing it, they might come over here to you guys and if everybody looks at that,

that's called the rising tide, full it's all shit. And if we're all out there making the industry

a better place and a more collaborative place to capitalize on your terms there, then it just

helps everything grow and like you never know where your next opportunity is going to come from.

Right now, and everybody that's in this motorcycle game, there's somebody that they don't know exists

that has just been watching what they do and they're waiting for the right time for them to

be able to go get the thing that's going to change their life. The opportunity, the bike build,

or the phone call to be a part of something, the thing that comes along that you can kind of

collaborate into, it's just you have to be hungry. And I think that to capitalize on what you were

saying, it's like you guys built beautiful bikes that are undeniable. And you didn't come in here

and say like, well, here's the deal, I pissed excellence and nobody can hang with my stuff.

So like you came in humble, right? Yeah. And I think that's what everybody wants.

But then there's also like, who the fuck cares? You guys came out, you built cool bikes,

and if some dudes like, oh man, they haven't put their dues in, they don't know that small room

that you guys started in. They only know you from when you got to this point, right? Yeah.

They didn't see the fucking years before, right? And that's the thing about everybody's opinion

about shit, because they don't have a fucking clue what happened before the internet turned on.

That's that must be nice shit, right? Yeah. Like, no, there's a lot of shit that happened

way before any of this. Yeah. A whole lot of shit. I mean, when you guys were, when I met you guys

coming to the camp out years ago, it's like, I just thought you were close friends. My man's over

there, like they're together. They're not together. And then you come as a package.

And you guys found a way to kind of like turn that into a brand and then grow it at a pace that

that like seems sustainable. Yeah, right. Yeah. That's the whole goal, man, is sustainability,

because again, this is something we're very passionate about, and we're going to be doing

this regardless. Right. Yeah. Like, we'd still be like, regardless of any of this,

like we'd still be doing the same thing. So I can't help. I mean, I'm excited for this,

because I just know that like there's going to be this version of whether it's this podcast in 10

years, or it's just us out doing something in 10 years where it's like, hey, you remember,

yeah, you remember that? Four and a half inches up.

And I mean, those are those kind of things that you don't think that you don't think about that

when you're in that small room. You're just thinking about how do we spark this fire?

And then you start to realize like how much of a community motorcycling is and how

like you said, the collaborations and the hoop and all that shit.

And so when when you come to the collaborations and the people you know and the people you've met

and the and all that shit, that's when the whole like reminiscing comes into play where you're

like sit back in 15 years, you know, or 10 years or whatever. And you're like, fuck man, like,

you know, I remember this. I remember when y'all were in the garage, I got to get in there one day.

Yeah. And that's, to me, that's the cool shit that like is out of sight, out of mind for a lot

of us most of the day, you know? Yeah. And social media, like I think that we don't really scroll

back much. We don't check clean motor and then yeah, yeah, where'd they start? Like where were

Yeah. At one point in time, we were FKK moto and we had, you know, we were building some

shit in his garage and we had some really cool t shirts and, you know, just our friends were

supporting us and everyone was wearing our t shirts and then it was kind of like life got busy

and nothing happened. And then COVID gave us an opportunity to like revisit it. Yeah,

let's look at this again. And I bet you there had to be a,

I don't know, five to seven year time span in between that. I mean, it was really long. It's not

like our friendship stayed the same and we were still seeing, you know, each other multiple

times a week and working on bikes and going on rides, but it is never like, hey, let's look at

starting a business. Yeah, that was never, you never the thing, right? Cause the number one thing,

or at least from my head, I was like, I don't like people. I don't want to have customers, man.

Like, can you imagine a deal with customers? Like, no, dude, I'm just trying to build my

own motorcycles. You know, it was like, yeah. And then it was like, Hey, let's start a business.

I just, there's like a,

I just, I don't know how to be everything for everybody all the time.

Yes. And I'm a very, and I wouldn't say the word intense, but I'm very passionate about things.

And I know that I can be a version of this in the right setting for you,

but I just can't turn that on. Yeah. You know, and I tell a lot of the customers I have, it's

like, look, if we're, we're going to do a project together, let's just get a book, get a schedule,

but don't ask that much of me until it's time to do it. Because I am giving somebody else

a hundred percent of my attention, you know, and I think that for a lot of people that,

that's hard for them to do because they're kind of like, Oh, well, I just, I'm excited

and I want to talk about it. And I'm like, I get that. But we're months away from starting

anything right now. So let's just like, yeah, let's just, just, let's just bookmark all this

stuff. Yeah. You know what I mean? And we'll have a big, we'll have a dinner. Yeah. We'll have a dinner,

talk about it. Yeah. We'll write notes. I also felt in my, you know, younger, younger days

when we were working on bikes and we had talked about like, Oh, would you ever do this for somebody?

I think me personally, I wasn't mature enough to do that. Like I don't feel like I, yeah,

I was doing my nine to five and I was good at that job and I could show up every day and do that.

But I don't feel like I had the capacity to then take on other customers at that time and, and

do a job for them at my fullest. Cause I'm being honest, I had other priorities.

I'll do both of y'all now. Sorry. I'll be 45. Okay. Oh, 20.

That's like crack. Yeah, for sure. No, I got a little more wisdom. He'll be 50. No, if you can't tell.

No. I think I'm 44. Okay. Yeah. I'm 43. I just turned 43. I think I'm 44.

I think mentally, I'm in a way better place to be a lot of things that I could have never been

when I first started building bikes for people. Yeah. Right. And so maybe that's kind of why

I'm opening the can of worms again. Like they get, I could, I could manage this space and,

you know, set boundaries, you know, which is like, in the world of

like chat rooms where people are complaining about their experiences with brands,

it's always one-sided and it's always kind of like a, a series of, there is probably truth.

There's a, there's a chance that it's like 50, 50, right? There's some truth to it. Sure.

You know, there's sometimes where customers are, in my experience, I haven't had one negative

customer since like 2017 and the one in 2017, I knew this was going to go, it was going to blow

up. Oh yeah. You know, right off the bat. I was like, I knew I was not going to be able to please

this guy. I knew that I just knew it and I did it anyway and it blew up in my face. I'm like,

never again. Yep. Right. And to me now, it's like, I, I see those things and I would nip those in

a buzz. And that's why I haven't had any issues with customers. But the problem is that like,

or what I would say is the issue is that people always like to say, for me in general as a painter,

like when I, when I take Helmetson, like I take Helmetson and I don't tell them, hey, look,

do you need this for Sturgis? Yeah. No, I don't need it. All right, cool. Well, you're just on the

list. Right. And when I get to this on the list, it happens. So there's no, yeah, there's no expectation.

Right. You're when you're when it happens, right? But if, if someone hits you up to build a bike or,

I mean, paint a bike and I'm like, okay, I can do it. And then we schedule it for this time,

and then you don't drop it off on that time. And now you're getting to the schedule of the next

project. Right. Right. And then you, you know, say you have other problems that happen that are

not on my side of the table of the fault. Right. It's now not my fault again, that this is taking

longer to do this job. Right. Right. But out the way that they projected out into the world, they

have my bike's made of the paint shop for fucking six months. Oh yeah. It's like, come on. Like, all

right, dude. Like, it sucks, man, because it gives us a bad name because it's easy to point a finger

because nobody wants to go out and say, you know what, I made bad financial decisions,

and I had to put this project on hold. Yeah. Right. And now I have to find the get back in

a spot with the painter. Yeah. You know, or said other things like, dude, I fucking go to work

every day, dude. Every day I go to work. Yeah. And I grind and I bust my ass. I'm trying to get

something done. And for someone to just act like, you know, when, when I would have those guys that

would act like, oh man, like I used to see red, I'd be at dinner with my wife and I'd take a

picture of us together and post it and someone would comment on the picture. Hey man, how's my

bike look? I'm like, oh, dude, I wish I was a little bit more rich. Yeah. You know what I mean?

Like that. I would just see red. I'd be hot. My night's ruined with my wife. Yeah. It's hard

because you're just human. Yeah. Right. So you take that to heart as someone out there trying to

devalue or deface your business. That's the shitty thing about the internet these days.

Well, and that's why I always like think back, you know, you always say like, Joe Rogan says,

don't ever read the social media. Like, we're too small to not. Yeah, I know. Because if someone

goes out there and says something, you don't have like a large enough customer base

that you still have a million people coming and buying something from you or asking them to get

a helmet painted or painting a bike, like you need, you feel the need to go out there and defend

yourself or your side of the story or address it. Yeah. Like not even necessarily defending

yourself, but you could say, hey, like we had this time scheduled, you were supposed to drop

this off that puts me into the other jobs. Like not even being defensive about it, but just providing

your side of the story, you know, and that sucks. And I feel like we're at a point where we could

start to do commission builds and we have enough inquiries to do that, but that's like them.

There's a lot of managing expectations pause to say, you know, like when they come and drop this

bike up to you, slap this book down on the table and say, here's the expectations.

You want these parts. You need to put this much up. You're okay. You need it by X amount of date.

Okay. Well, that's not going to happen. It's going to be six months past that, you know,

like lay that shit out. But then somebody's just going to be like, Oh, I'm just going to have this

other guy do stuff. Yeah. Because a lot of, and I would deal with that with the paintwork a lot

is because I would be open and honest about the pricing. And the thing is when I would quote

someone price, that price never changed. Right. Yeah. It would be like, Oh, I know I quoted you

fucking four grand, but here's still it ended up being seven. Yeah. Yeah. You know what I mean?

I decided to do this or this costed more like you're very transparent. You're very open or open

about what's going on. If you get to a point where things are going to change and you're like,

Hey, look, here's what it's the crossover at. Yeah. You know, and I hate to do this to you, but

like you had a, we got your bike prepped and now your fucking tank is fucked or whatever.

Right. Yeah. Right. So there's like, there's all that, but it's also,

you know, just the, the open, like being very open about the process is I don't want to scare

people away, but I also don't want people to be blindsided. Yeah. Yeah. And I also would,

you know, like I think, you know, because I think about the last, you know, my last four months

of doing those bikes and how much it drained me financially because I was spending money and

working on something I'm not making money on. Right. Yeah. And at the end of it, I was relieved to

make the born free, but then I had this build opportunity. I'm like, all right, why would I

want to jump back in and say, Oh yeah, because now I get the charge for the labor, right? Yeah.

That I'd never get paid for. Right. Yeah. So maybe it'll feel different if I'm sitting there

grinding until 12 o'clock at night because I can't sleep, but I'm actually making progress

in this bike. Right. So it just opens the door. And I think maybe on, on another one for you guys,

it's like, as you're looking at the next project for you, if you were to find the right customer,

to build the next version of these bikes for them, it might be a fucking, you know,

yeah. Yeah. It'd be nice to be able to do that with someone else's night. Yeah. Spends

somebody else's money. Oh yeah. Yeah. He's good at doing that to me.

What you need to do is get a diner. Yeah. But what you don't realize is you do that first quarter

and then I get three quarters. So inadvertently you're doing it to me.

Yeah. Okay. You guys are just the relayers, man. Like he starts to relay and then you

get it to finish it out. Right. Yeah. I mean, I'm the, I'm the last leg. You're the lead leg.

I'm the one that brings it home.

You're the closers. Exactly. Coffee's for closers.

Yeah. No, it'll be good, man. It's good seeing the bikes you guys are doing and dude,

it's, congratulations on this. This is pretty bad. Dude, thank you, man. You gotta, you're

gonna have to come back for the, uh, the open house that we're gonna have. Once you put it right

next to another really big event that we all have to go to. I probably will. I'll probably

plan it like right before Sturges. So everybody's sick. You know what I mean? Sick. It's right after

homecoming. Yeah. You gotta come through here. You already gotta come this way. Yeah. But you're

gonna find a place to hang out. Right. Right. Exactly. Exactly. And then another week after

that at Sturges. Yeah. Yeah. D5. Yeah. You're fine. Yeah. We haven't fully moved in like

fully moved into this place, but we're, we're making it more home, more like home. Yeah. This

building was actually, um, used to be an old tire shop in this and it's pretty clean. Well,

here's the thing at, this is actually a brand new building. The only thing that was left after

the tire shop was this slab that you're on right now in the garage. Yeah. Cause some drunk driver

came down the street and hit a telephone pole or an electrical pole and then it fell on the building

and the whole building burnt down. It was like a vacant lot for 10 years. And then I think the

county took it from the guy that owned it cause he didn't pay his taxes. And then the town bought

it. And then the guy who we rent from now, this was where he started his very first business.

Oh no. And it was like his lifelong dream to rebuild this property. And then so he rebuilt it

and then he was, you know, when we went and talked to him cause we saw had a forensic sign,

he's like, Oh, you know, we told him our whole proposal and his son actually works in town for

Max Lider. They build Broncos. Yeah. Like Resto Mod Broncos, bad ass Seema cars. And we were,

we told him what we did with the motorcycles. He was like, Oh yeah, you know, I've got people

reaching out to me every day, but I've just been looking for the right people. And

he was like, Yeah, definitely. I would love to have you guys in there. And then,

you know, he had always said like, I'll never sell this building. This is kind of my little

like man cave getaway, you know, if it's not rented, then I'll be here. And one day we asked him,

like, you know, maybe, you know, we'll buy it from you in a year or so. Yeah. It's like, I'll sell it to

you. Yeah. So I mean, definitely on the, on the plans to acquire this and kind of make this

home. This will be our first building and, you know, hopes that we get larger and

maybe we need a bigger space. We can keep this. I'm fucking up. I need to sell parts.

You need what? I need some parts.

It's where the money's at, man. Apparently it is. You just have to, you know,

constantly be thinking and R and D and we should already do. Yeah. Right. How do I make this podcast

better? How do I do this? I guess I got to spend all the money I make on it on it. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. That's sure. That's so the point to where I finally have all the products I need and then

then everything drops. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I finally have the studio, the equipment. Hell yeah. Now

I can make some money. Yeah. And then, you know, economy. Yeah. I mean, that's this, you know,

we're constantly reinvesting everything into our R and D in hopes that, you know,

you're just going to have that one big hitter. Yeah. Yeah. It's probably going to be like a,

it's like whatever. I did a podcast a long time ago with alloy or alloy art

because I make all this wild shit. It's like, you know, it keeps this place open,

riser bushings. Yeah. The good and tights. Yeah. Because they do that, but they also do all the

ones for Harley. So it's like, it's like, yeah. So it's the, it's the invisible important thing

at bulk. Yeah. Oh, 100%. You know, it's the toothpick. Uh-huh. What's your dad do? Oh,

he invented the toothpick. Yeah. Yeah. Like, what? So it's polyurethane bushings.

He invented one thing. The ball bearings. Just one. Just one. A single ball. Yes. We found out

if you put a lot of them inside this round disk and you lube them up. Yeah, it works really good.

They're pleasurable. All right, guys, this has been fun. Hell yeah, man. I think we've done a good

job of keeping it respectable. Yeah. I mean, you know, there's only a few cans on the ground

over here. I'm six are in. Yeah. Yeah. It's, it's, it's water. It's fine. It's fine. You know,

yeah. The only time I drink Coors Light on podcasts is with you and Tony from Ramjet,

by the way. Yes. My man. Yeah. There you go. I will keep that tradition. That's my dude, man.

I can't wait till April, Tony. We're going to drink all kinds of Coors Light. Yes. We're down.

He did text me. He was like, how's it going? Did it go well? I'm like, we're still going.

Yeah. When I went out there and did a podcast with them, uh, when I wrote out earlier this year,

it was, uh, well, I hadn't done a podcast with them since before, uh, COVID and he had just

acquired Ram. It was like one of your first ones you did with him, right? I've only done two podcasts.

I did one this year and then I did one back in, uh, 2019 when we first met. Yeah. Um, but he had

just kind of acquired the whole thing from his, his pops. Yeah. And dude, I mean Ramjet's one of

the coolest spots there is. Oh yeah. Yeah. You know, it's like a, the seventh wonder of the

motorcycle world. You know what I'm saying? Like you got to check the place out. It's a candy store.

100%. And we had a good time in it. I put him on the FXR chop. He rode that around. He got to get

the vibe and it was just good to be back, man. He's got to love good people around him. So for

sure. You know, well, you guys are killing it, man. I'm proud of you guys. Thanks, man. Inspired,

jealous. You know, same shit. Thank you so much. All good feelings. It means a lot, dude.

Seriously. Yeah, dude. Like you guys are really, you're, you're doing it. You really are building

this stuff at the right pace. Yeah. You know, to, to grow it in a way that, that seems realistic

and sustainable. Yeah. You know, and I'll tell you, it's very realistic. We, you know,

we have all the struggles that a small business does and we just persevere.

Yeah. You know, we're in it for the long haul. So

you heard it. You heard it. It ain't easy. You heard me.

I hope you guys enjoyed that. I want to thank the boys over at clean for

being great hosts, getting me a little sauced up on Corselight. Not my favorite beer, but I'll take it.

Yeah. I had a great time and I hope you guys enjoyed it. And I got some more great podcasts

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