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Hello, everybody, and welcome back to the P1 podcast with Matt and Tommy.
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Thanks for joining us for this third and final championship
02:32
Decider preview series,
02:34
where we've been talking about how we've got to a three-way fight
02:38
for the title on the final weekend of the season.
02:41
Make sure you scroll back in your podcast feed
02:44
to hear our episodes on Max Verstappen and Oscar Piastri,
02:47
if you haven't already.
02:48
Today, we're here to talk about Lando Norris.
02:51
Let's head to Lando Norris.
02:54
The championship leader has seven race victories as well,
02:58
all three of them do.
03:00
The victories came in Australia, in Monaco, in Austin,
03:03
in the UK Silverstone, Hungary, Mexico, and Brazil.
03:07
He has 17 podiums to his name this season.
03:11
And Lando Norris should, in theory,
03:13
we should be talking about him being world champion right now.
03:16
If it wasn't for McLaren, we know that.
03:18
We've said that many times on the podcast already.
03:21
But Lando's season on the face of it
03:25
has not been the easiest for him.
03:28
He's had moments where he struggled with the car,
03:30
with the handling, whereas Oscar was thriving,
03:33
especially in that sort of from race, what would you say?
03:37
Well, as soon as Oscar went on that streak from Bahrain,
03:40
that was when Lando was just not able to get
03:43
on the same sort of form as Oscar.
03:47
Overall, he has put together a great campaign, for sure.
03:52
He's had three no-point scores,
03:55
of course, one being the disqualification,
03:58
the other two being Canada,
03:59
which was absolutely his fault,
04:01
and Zandvoort, which absolutely wasn't his fault.
04:05
I don't know how Lando, each week that McLaren let him down,
04:11
that he just resets.
04:13
What must be going through his head right now?
04:15
How does he have confidence going into the last race?
04:20
The season that Lando's had has been so bizarre, really.
04:25
You know, the story of his season has been
04:28
Lando essentially winning in Australia,
04:32
resisting the pressure from Max while Oscar went off
04:35
and thinking, oh, look, that's a really good drive from Lando.
04:38
Like, he can resist this pressure.
04:41
And then going into a run where, like, China Bahrain Saudi,
04:45
he was making mistakes and things,
04:47
like Bahrain, he made some errors.
04:49
Saudi crashed in qualifying,
04:53
where obviously Oscar won the race.
04:56
And there was obviously a lot of talk about, like,
04:59
can Lando actually do this?
05:01
He's feeling now, and it looked like Oscar was the top,
05:04
well, was the top McLaren driver.
05:06
And then, you know, it gets even worse in Canada
05:09
where he collides going for a move on his teammate.
05:13
And thankfully, well, not for him,
05:17
but thankfully for the team, he doesn't take Oscar out the race.
05:21
But then he does go on this, you know, great run.
05:25
And then it all goes wrong again in Zandvo,
05:30
and I think this is going to be really hard for him
05:33
to catch Oscar Piastri now in the same car.
05:35
Yeah, he falls behind in Canada, doesn't he?
05:37
And then we question, that was the moment.
05:40
I remember so many people jumping on, Oscar's going to be
05:43
world champion, he's going to do this, you know,
05:46
Lando's making too many mistakes, yada, yada, yada.
05:48
Lando then bounces back with a first, first, second, first,
05:51
just about puts him back in, like, contention with Oscar,
05:54
and then his engine fails.
05:56
Yeah, and in Zandvo, the crazy thing is after that,
06:00
obviously there's the contentious moment in Monza.
06:04
But we then went into Baku,
06:06
and of course all the headlines were that Oscar
06:08
had a really, really poor race,
06:10
but Lando was getting a lot of stick.
06:12
I guess quite rightly that he didn't make the opportunity,
06:15
he didn't take that opportunity of his title rival
06:18
because Max was out of it at this stage.
06:20
Bagging as many points as possible,
06:22
he was stuck behind other cars, he wasn't making moves.
06:25
And then he kind of went into this kind of phase
06:28
in the next couple of races where it was almost like this
06:31
silent, like, championship contender
06:35
where all the talk was, can Oscar hold on
06:38
or is Max going to win?
06:40
And we said, that's going to help Lando, I think, massively.
06:43
And since then, you know, he's been brilliant.
06:46
And I think, you know, his best moments,
06:49
it's just how consistent he has actually been.
06:53
Even those races where he gets stick
06:56
for like finishing second and it's not exciting
06:59
or he's not going for moves and stuff,
07:02
points when you're championships.
07:04
And I don't think it's on him that he's got the points
07:06
tell he's got because McLaren have absolutely
07:08
screwed him in the last year.
07:10
They screwed him, he'd be world champion right now,
07:12
which I'd like to remind people because
07:15
I feel it's, you know, quite unfair on Lando
07:18
that he's having to go all the way to the wire.
07:20
So many points with it.
07:23
And McLaren better be getting him a serious Christmas present,
07:26
especially if he doesn't win this world championship somehow.
07:29
I would be gutted for Lando if that was the case.
07:32
Let's go to his best moment of the season.
07:35
What was the standout for Lando where we thought,
07:42
For me, it's been towards the end of the year, for sure.
07:45
Brazil was fantastic from him.
07:49
It was such a difficult weekend.
07:52
You had horrible conditions, a place that craziness happens
07:57
and Lando could have easily succumbed to the pressure
08:01
of having to get this title across the line.
08:04
So Brazil is 100% a vote for me.
08:08
And then again, I kind of go all the way back to Australia
08:11
as well as a moment where he took it to Max Verstappen
08:14
and he won in the rain.
08:16
I remember there were some mistakes on the way to winning.
08:19
A few things we went, oh, maybe not.
08:22
But he won there and that was kind of a moment of, right,
08:25
Lando is here to play and he's here to take this
08:29
potential championship.
08:31
But I think if I'm going to choose one, it has to be Brazil.
08:34
I will go between, it's between Mexico and Brazil for me
08:37
because I think those are the most impressive victories
08:40
for me because as we mentioned,
08:43
he kind of quietly got under the radar
08:46
and he was still in that championship fight.
08:50
He didn't have the amazing form that Max did,
08:53
but he was taking points out of Oscar consistently
08:58
and had a lot more pace than Oscar.
09:00
And then he goes into Mexico and I think it's Mexico,
09:05
he got an amazing start,
09:06
which is something that's been his Achilles heel.
09:08
He didn't worry about,
09:10
he was a very, very difficult track to basically lead
09:13
from being on pole position into turn one.
09:17
Wins the raise from pole and now it looks like,
09:21
okay, he's looking very good.
09:23
Then you go into Brazil and yeah,
09:25
Brazil is such a strong moment
09:27
because there was all this talk of like,
09:29
it's raining, it's Brazil,
09:30
of course Max is going to win.
09:31
And actually, you know, he wins the sprint,
09:34
he wins the main race, takes pole position.
09:37
Absolutely brilliant form.
09:40
And after those two wins,
09:42
all he had to do was score few points
09:46
and he's been disqualified and finished fourth.
09:48
So, and that's of course, yeah,
09:51
the team errors that have cost him,
09:53
but realistically, Brazil should have been
09:56
that drive where it's like,
09:57
right, he's won the world championship now.
09:59
But unfortunately for his team, that's not in the case.
10:03
We won a title finale.
10:05
So, thank you McLaren again.
10:07
Let's go to worst moment of the year for Lando.
10:12
Tommy, what are you going to lock in?
10:15
There's a few, obviously we mentioned Baku.
10:19
The funny thing about Baku is that
10:23
if he wins the title by a few points,
10:26
these kind of non-risky moves where everyone said,
10:28
oh, he's not going for the moves, not doing it here.
10:30
And this is how a Formula One championship plays out,
10:33
Like these moments where it's like,
10:34
oh, he missed out by a few points.
10:36
If he'd overtaken here, he would have done this
10:37
or he would have done that.
10:39
I think you've got to go back to Saudi,
10:42
the crash in qualifying.
10:45
Then he went into the race
10:46
and I think he spent a long time
10:48
unable to pass Charles Leclerc.
10:51
Meanwhile, his teammate is just romping home
10:53
for victory to make it, you know,
10:57
his third victory of the season.
10:59
And that was a really low moment for Lando,
11:02
I think, just from the fact that
11:04
his form had really dipped
11:06
after a brilliant win in Australia
11:08
and you thought, okay, he has turned it around.
11:10
And then went back into this kind of
11:12
error-prone driver again.
11:14
Obviously he's turned that around now.
11:16
But I think Saudi was probably, for me,
11:18
like the lowest where it's like,
11:20
oh, wow, Lando's like really struggling
11:22
with this car, he's not finding his groove.
11:24
And of course, at that stage,
11:26
Oscar was just flying.
11:29
So my moment for worst event
11:35
for Lando this year has to be Canada.
11:38
I think the movie pulled on Oscar
11:41
was really poor, crashes into the back
11:44
of his teammate, loses.
11:46
I think it was a P5,
11:48
I think it was P5 at the time.
11:50
So in terms of point swings,
11:51
that's 10 points just lost through
11:53
a fault that was completely on him.
11:57
It depends how you package it.
11:59
So that's my error, I would say,
12:01
of the year for Lando.
12:03
In terms of worst moment
12:05
that might not be his fault is Las Vegas.
12:07
He did everything he needed to do in Las Vegas
12:10
to have enough of a championship lead
12:13
going into the last two rounds.
12:15
On a track, they're not that good at either.
12:17
Taken away from him, exactly.
12:19
He did absolutely everything.
12:21
And to remove all those points
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12:27
So that's from that side,
12:29
but in terms of something for Lando's performance
12:31
I would say Canada.
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What moment could be the thing
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that costs him the title?
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I feel like these can sometimes blur
18:09
the lines between worst moments of the year
18:11
and the thing that costs him the title
18:15
If Lando does not win the world championship
18:17
it is Las Vegas and it is Qatar.
18:19
Qatar is obviously a strategic
18:23
era from McLaren which I still
18:25
do not believe that they
18:27
thought it through at all.
18:29
Clearly they didn't because
18:31
they were the only team not to pit.
18:39
obviously hindsight is a wonderful thing.
18:41
But why are they risking it anyway?
18:43
There's clearly been an oversight there
18:45
from McLaren and how they look
18:47
at the cars and all the telemetry
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they get. They know the load
18:51
that is being put through the car.
18:53
They can see the cameras.
18:55
They can see the sparks.
18:57
Why are they risking
19:01
Even if they finish fourth
19:03
and fifth, fifth and sixth
19:05
in Vegas and lose all the pace by running
19:07
the car a bit higher to not run
19:09
the risk of being disqualified it doesn't matter.
19:11
Lando has a much bigger
19:15
the last two races.
19:21
Yeah, there'll be people
19:25
crew of just hating
19:27
on him for every single reason
19:29
unfairly saying like
19:31
he lost points here, lost points there.
19:35
say like Canada for example
19:39
it's had the engine failure
19:41
where that's a McLaren failure on him
19:45
by McLaren and then
19:47
Qatar again where he's finishing third
19:49
so it's not going to be a huge
19:51
points difference in Qatar
19:53
really but obviously it's still
19:55
a few points through a
19:59
It's got to be the failure
20:01
in Zandvoort to have a mechanical failure
20:03
when you're running P2 is big in a championship fight.
20:07
because yeah, it has to be Vegas
20:09
if they lose this title
20:13
that will be if they lose this title
20:15
unless they do something again
20:19
2007 Lewis Hamilton
20:21
kind of why have they left him out on
20:24
the canvas of his tyres
20:26
when all you had to do was cruise
20:28
home to a P5 and win the championship
20:30
and equally Lando had the championship
20:33
and the only reason
20:35
that could have bought Max in is if he won
20:37
the race and he got a no score
20:39
and Lando finished second on the road at a track
20:41
that McLaren aren't particularly good at
20:45
brilliant pole position in the wet
20:47
and bagged 18 points
20:49
and then they were taken away through
20:55
at the end of the day
20:57
Max of course like I want
21:01
being a Max's up and fan shop
21:03
but what I just want to say
21:05
like it would be absolutely
21:07
devastating like for Lando to lose it
21:09
by another McLaren error again
21:13
you know, wherever your
21:19
pretty much the title
21:21
won like same as like Lewis Hamilton
21:23
like 2007 and stuff and have that
21:25
title won to lose it
21:27
through no fault of your own
21:29
would be an absolute
21:31
you know, kicking the
21:33
nuts to say the least
21:35
like it would be awful
21:37
it would be awful, it would be
21:39
it would feel terrible for Lando
21:43
we want to see this championship play out
21:45
because I think it will leave
21:47
probably not for you a bitter taste Tommy
21:49
but it will in some ways
21:51
when you analyse the last few races
21:53
you'd feel like Lando was kind of robbed
21:55
of a championship that was going to be his
21:57
and he's lost it through no fault of his own
21:59
but fingers crossed, McLaren
22:01
saw it all out, they do a 1-2
22:03
for their sake, of course, not for entertainment's sake
22:07
the championship isn't
22:11
who deserved it, who didn't deserve it
22:13
etc. although that conversation
22:15
unless Lando wins the title
22:17
by 5 points and then the Oscar
22:19
Piestre Mons the Switch will be
22:21
World War 3 in the media
22:23
as long as Oscar would have to finish
22:27
wouldn't he rather than
22:29
that's what I said, 5
22:31
you said to win by 5 but obviously from
22:33
Oscar Piestre as opposed to Max Verstappen
22:35
who is the closest competitor to Tommy
22:37
I know you're glass half empty mate
22:39
he is second in the championship
22:41
percentage if you can do maths
22:43
we'll find out if Tommy can
22:45
my likelihood for Lando Norris
22:47
winning the world championship in Abu Dhabi is 65%
22:49
the reason why it's no higher
22:51
than that is because I don't trust McLaren as far as I can throw them
22:55
if Lando has a working
22:57
team that does everything he needs
22:59
them to do in Abu Dhabi it probably
23:01
be up at 90% but this is
23:03
factoring in everything 65%
23:05
and mine is almost 90%
23:07
85% if I've done the maths correctly
23:15
it's in his hands still
23:17
and this is the only reason it's not 100%
23:19
it was in his hands in Vegas
23:21
in his hands in Qatar
23:25
it's changed completely of course
23:29
it can only really be
23:35
do something to stop him winning this title
23:37
failure of the car or operationally
23:39
operationally because
23:41
the reason I think it's so low as well
23:45
Abu Dhabi is a track where
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you make an error you're just going off into the runoff
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maybe or something for it to go wrong for Lando
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because it's his best
24:03
maybe even his best on the calendar
24:09
his performances there
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and obviously he was brilliant there last year
24:19
it's surely got to be Lando's
24:21
but this season has thrown so many curveballs
24:23
which is why it's not 100%
24:25
exactly Lando's results
24:29
8th, 5th, 7th, 6th, 5th, 1st
24:33
didn't have a championship winning car
24:35
for a lot of those times
24:41
will he have another win to his name
24:43
he won't care as long as he wins the world championship
24:47
thank you everybody for tuning in
24:49
to this little special bonus episode
24:51
chatting about the three
24:55
will it be Oscar Piastri
24:57
will it be Max Verstappen
24:59
who takes home the 2025
25:01
Formula One World Championship
25:03
Tommy, final thoughts
25:05
final thoughts, I just can't believe
25:07
we're in this situation with
25:09
three drivers winning the title
25:13
sorry, being in the title
25:19
just take it all they can have a third of the trophy each
25:21
that's what McLaren would like wouldn't they really
25:23
just give it to both their drivers
25:25
and they don't have to have a worry
25:27
they want Max to have it
25:29
give it to Max so that neither of them have anything
25:31
then that is fair that is fair, yeah true
25:33
okay, yeah, come on Max
25:37
there's one more in here
25:39
thank you everybody for joining us
25:41
across these three episodes
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we'll be back with the final
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predictions episode of the season
25:47
another championship battle
25:49
that has somehow gone right down to the wire
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