CarCast Dec 29, 2025

Larry Webster from Hagerty discusses which collector cars to buy in 2026.

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Hello, welcome to CarCast.

I'm Matt, the moderator, D'Andrea.

Got a very special show today.

We've got Larry Webster, he's the editor-in-chief at Hagerty Media.

It's been a while, but welcome.

Welcome to the show.

Hey, Matt.

Thank you for having me.

Appreciate it.

Let's talk a little bit about Hagerty for a minute here,

because Hagerty, my gosh, has really kind of changed and evolved

and grew into this big, impressive monster of a company over the last decade.

It went from just insurance, although you still maintain

one of my favorite online tools ever.

It is the price evaluation tool.

Evaluation tools, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah, I mean, I've been there decades.

So thank you, Matt.

It's all thanks to me, obviously, in the last decade.

That's what they told me.

That's how they set it up.

Your team reached out and they're like, yeah, thanks to Larry.

It's not it at all, because it's a really fun company.

It's a company of enthusiasts built for enthusiasts.

And it's all about helping folks, especially now,

ensure, buy, sell, enjoy their cars.

And it's totally evolved from just a company that

insured your special vehicles, the stuff you didn't drive every day.

And they figured out that they could, the main thing

was that people took care of their cars.

And therefore, when something happened,

Hagerty could jump in and they could get it fixed.

And whatever it was, great service.

And that just really took off.

And that was really the bedrock of the company.

And then it's sort of evolved into other things.

Like now there's a great marketplace.

There's obviously the media arm that I run.

We do a magazine.

We do YouTube.

We're on social, on our website.

And now there's events and concours and a live auction

thing with Broad Arrow.

So it's just sort of encompassed the whole car world.

Yeah.

So I like to just serve the whole car world.

That's the better way to say it.

Talking a bit about that evolution,

I know this isn't under your watch.

But the marketplace, I mean, that's

just that just seemed to grow and grow.

Like it seems to be doing really doing well.

And also just some really cool, interesting cars and stuff

as well if you guys scroll around through it.

Yeah.

It's been really great, one of the scenes,

because with the ecosystem that we work in,

we know what cars are out there.

And the real idea is to offer our members something,

a way to connect and transact cars between themselves.

Because that's what you do is when

you're a member of an organization.

So there's classifieds out in there

that are free for AgriDrivers, co-members.

And then there's also auctions and things like that.

And it's been growing really fast.

I don't know if you saw this thing.

Did you hear about the generous collection?

No.

Yeah, there was a guy in Alabama that had,

I think he's got like 900 cars.

Wow.

And he owns a company, a business in Alabama.

And he would employ a lot of the people.

And so he's a big person in the community.

And when they needed extra money, they would come to him.

And it turned into like he would just buy their cars as a way

to help them out.

And he collected hundreds and hundreds of cars.

And now he just wants to get rid of them.

So they just had like a, I don't know,

it was hundreds of cars were sold all no reserve.

And there's another batch going up next spring.

And in the meantime, there's a huge collection that just

closed up the David Glenn Porsche collection.

He was the engine builder that built the Yellowbird 911

motor from Roof.

And so he had a bunch of stuff.

So yeah, there's all these connections

that are finding this great stuff

that they're able to offer on the marketplace.

So it's worthwhile to check it out

and at least sign up for the newsletter.

You know, so this guy was just buying up everyone's cars

that needed money, but with no real plan for a resale.

He wasn't a wholesaler.

He wasn't going to auction.

He wasn't doing, there wasn't doing any of that, huh?

No.

And we did, there was a barn find hunter video

that Tom Cotter did of the thing.

So you can go and meet the guy.

And you can see the warehouses on warehouses

on warehouses in Alabama.

He's got all this stuff.

It's amazing.

Taking a quick look at Marketplace.

You guys can go up there as well.

It's the Hagerty.com slash Marketplace.

And you can see all of the cool cars and stuff

up there that are for sale.

Is it all auction?

There's classifies and there's an auction format, right?

Yeah, there's classifies as well.

And if you're a Hagerty Drivers Club member,

you can list for free.

And then there's also the auction.

So it's both.

Yeah, I see this Triumph TR6.

Over at Adam Crowley's collection,

we've got the Paul Newman and TR6 in that collection.

Was that a Tullius car?

Was that a group?

Yeah, it was a Bob Tullius car as well.

No way.

It was a champion.

The same car was both of their championship cars.

But if you see that car, it's black and silver.

So for just a handful of seasons,

Newman didn't run like with Bob Sharp and whatever.

And so the black and silver cars

are his personal livery cars.

And it's one of his championship cars.

So we bought that car from Bill Warner, who

is an amazing guy, I love Bill.

And he was just looking to make a change in the collection.

And we always said we just wanted that car.

And I think he loved it more as the Bob Tullius car.

But for us and for Adam in that collection,

it needed to be back to the Paul Newman car

because of Adam's Paul Newman collection.

Where can you see the movie you guys did,

the documentary on that stuff, the way?

So the documentary, by the way.

Yeah, thank you.

The documentary, I believe, is streaming online

in a number of places.

And our own website is Chassis Media, I believe.

It should be so much.

Chassis.com, it's C-H-A-S-S-Y.

Chassis.com.

And you can still go and buy and watch all the movies there.

All the documentaries, right?

All of our, you know, the Willie T. Ribb stories

shall be mine.

Oh yeah, I love that one.

Willie's great, so you can get them all there.

But yeah, thanks for mentioning that.

But the cars are all, almost all the cars.

I think 12 or 13, I think 13 of the Paul Newman cars

are in the Reno Automotive Museum, right?

Amazing.

Along with some memorabilia, some racing suits and helmets

and stuff like that.

You know, when we were picking up those cars,

there was just things like a lot of the cars

were just like kind of in pieces and in boxes.

It was like before the movie, we just

wanted to get a handful of these things.

And I remember one of the cars coming

with like a giant rolling toolbox, like a track box.

And I think just on the bottom drawer,

because it was just all junk and tools and stuff scattered.

The bottom drawer down there was just kind of folded up

was this blue racing suit.

And it happened to be a Paul Newman racing suit.

So it's just kind of a bonus, I guess,

back in the day when you could trade that kind of stuff.

It's amazing.

I've been racing for 30 years, and I noticed I'm slowing

a little bit, a couple of tenths.

And Newman racely, competitively, he was like 72.

Is that right?

How old is he?

Yeah, so I think he was in the car up until 82.

82, that's what I was.

Yeah, 82 years old.

And what you'll notice is up in his later years,

he thought it would be fun to run his car

with the number that was his age.

So he was 80.

And then one of the races he was in, the number was taken.

I don't know if it was 80 or 79 or 81.

But somebody was out there with car number 80.

And they're like, you can't have car number 80.

Normally, you've got to tape it off.

You've got to make it 88 or something, like something

you can make it into.

And I guess they were just like, it's Paul Newman.

We didn't really care.

So he had 80.

And then in tape, he wrote a little plus one

on the bottom of it in the side of the door.

So he's like, yeah, it couldn't get 81.

So I got 80 plus one to be his year.

So you never know what's out there.

And that's why it's fun.

We have people out in the car world all the time.

That's why we hear of these things,

like the generous collection and other things.

And that's why we have a whole series dedicated.

It's called the Barn Find Hunter.

You never know what's out there.

By the way, that series is 10 years old still.

You still find it's incredible stuff.

So I wanted to talk about that.

So Haggerty now, this isn't new.

We're a decade into this with you.

Haggerty is actually 40 years old.

Yeah, but with you running on the content side,

the media side of it, I'm going to bring up some of it.

But let's talk about it.

What's going on on the Haggerty media side?

Yeah, the big stuff right now this month

is every month is something we call the bull market list.

And this is something that we talk about once a year,

where we, you talked about it before,

we have this great valuation team.

So you can get all these car values on Haggerty.com.

Historical values, what cars are worth.

And one day I called the guy who runs it and asked him,

hey, you think we can figure out

like what cars might be worth in the future?

And so my great surprise, Matt, he's like,

yeah, I think we do that.

And so that's how we started the bull market.

The idea was always like, hey, how can you buy one of these cars,

own them for a short amount of time,

and then sell them without really losing that much.

It's almost like having the car for free.

Yeah.

And it was really successful.

This was sort of an out group of what you call group tests

in the car magazine world, right?

And it did really well online.

We get a lot of other people pick it up.

And so we've been doing it nine years.

There's actually also a video.

So that's our big news for December, for sure.

This will take up a lot of the things

because there's just a lot of interest in what to buy

and car values, as you know.

So it's worked really well.

Do you want to go through it?

Let's go through the list.

I'm going to bring it up as well for you guys up on YouTube.

So we'll take a look.

Yeah, it's on the website on the Haggerty.com slash media.

There you go.

And it's also, you know, we cover a lot

on the social channels.

And it's also we got an episode on our Haggerty YouTube.

But these could be future collectors,

things that you guys think are either going up in value.

Or maybe there was a dip in value

should now is the right time to buy.

Yeah, exactly.

You know, so and it's going to be an interesting mix of cars

from inexpensive to actually very expensive.

Yeah, yeah.

So I'm glad you said that because we really

try and make sure there's something for everybody.

You notice there's a lot of different eras.

You know, it's kind of easy to, you know,

you could just say, well, any really interesting car

that's 30 years old is probably going to go up,

right?

Because it reaches the bottom of the appreciation curve.

What we do is look at those anomalies throughout the market.

So there's different stuff and different eras

and different price points.

You know, Adam and I would talk about this all the time

in that a good kind of rule of thumb

would be look at what's going off at big money at the auctions.

And is there a little brother?

Is there a goal wing Mercedes?

And then is there a 190?

You know, and go, oh, maybe that's the one.

Maybe, you know, it's hard because we just put an article.

We also, we do a lot of, we have a special section

of our site called The Insider.

And that's all of our valuation and sort of market

research and things like that.

And we were just looking at the Honda S2000 CR, right?

And the CR is worth way, way more than a regular S2000.

Right.

And so the little brother analogy is kind of tough,

you know?

Maybe a better way to say like, OK, how old people,

like right now or in the middle of the greatest wealth

transfer, right?

You know, the boomers are passing their dollars

to the next generation.

A lot of it's like my generation, Gen X.

And that generation is hitting 55 and 60.

So what did they covet?

They covet cars in high school.

And that's the 80s, the rapper.

Yeah, our 80s and 90s cars.

80s and 90s.

And that's what we see a lot of for sure.

You know, when you look at the aftermarket as well,

you go to the SEMA show and you think

about all of the cars, like every Gen 1, Gen 2 Mustang,

Camaros, all of those things that were getting built.

And then, yes, like the kids, the high school kids

from the 80s and 90s were going, well, what was I driving?

And now that I'm a real life adult

and maybe made some money in my career.

That's right.

So when I reach out to some hot rod builders

and then you start seeing guys like Troy Trapanier

and stuff going, we're going to do a Camaro.

We're going to do an 89 or 90 Camaro.

We're going to do the IROC or something.

Like instead of a T-bucket or something like that.

Yeah, yeah, or just like another 65 Mustang or whatever.

Oh, yep, yep.

You know, going, sure, everybody loves a 69 Camaro,

but that's not what I grew up with.

My first car was an 87 Camaro.

It's an IROC.

Yeah, so.

Yeah, that's a good point.

I mean, remember, Seema used to be filled with,

remember the Sport Compact craze?

Yeah.

That kind of came and went.

It's almost funny.

It's coming back now, right?

Because that was when they were new and now a lot

of those CRXs and things that just disappeared

are back and pretty valuable.

Yeah, it goes in cycles.

You were talking about marketplace.

It's like every once in a while, something will pop up.

And it'll be like the best of the best, the low-mile mint

condition, you know, and you're like, oh my God,

somebody took an Integra Type R and got, you know,

$180,000 for it.

And then over the next six weeks,

you see like 30 Integra Type R's pop up on.

Totally.

And it's like, oh my gosh, maybe I should sell mine.

I got to cash in.

Yeah, I got to ride that wave.

And you know, it's not.

But that's kind of what we're talking about with your list,

with the bull list, right?

Yeah, I mean, one of the things that they do

is they're not just tracking the price data and sale data,

but they're also looking at like, OK,

how many people are calling in to get an insurance quote

on a particular car?

Did it grow year over year?

How many people are calling in and asking

to have their agreed value raised on a particular car?

And what does that mean?

So there's a whole big suite of data

that they use for the like, I don't know,

2 million plus phone calls that we get every year

to try and color this.

And then there's like a whole team of folks

who have been doing this for decades.

So there is data, and then there's interpreting the data,

and then there's making some decisions.

And then by the way, every year we go back

and look at our report card.

How do we do?

Yeah, I was going to ask about that next.

But we'll get that toward the end here.

All right, let's take a look at the list.

Let's take a look at the list and go through.

We'll just cruise through some of these cars.

You can figure out how much time

you spend on what was the most exciting thing on the list to you?

Is there anything that jumped out like, damn,

that's a good car.

I should jump on that.

Well, I don't know if it's that or as much as just sort

of a confirmation.

Like certainly, I was waiting for like the 454SS, the truck

to show up on like an official list.

I have a 95 Ford Lightning and I have some Foxbody Mustangs

and stuff.

So that one, like Cyclone and Typhoon, excuse me,

that's probably, I don't know, maybe that's already

been on the list because those were starting to really

get some pretty decent money.

Yeah, for sure.

And the rest of us are going, yeah, but what

about the Lightning?

What about the 454SS?

Like what about those trucks?

We had the V10 RAM on there.

The V10 RAM, it's cool.

Yeah, I mean, what's the average value of the 454?

It's somewhere in the 30s, right?

But it wasn't that long ago.

It was probably eight.

Totally.

Yeah, so how much room is there left?

That's a great question.

But it was never like, we try to make sure to say, look,

if you're in this to invest in it,

it's not what we're about.

We're about, we want to show you how much fun you can have

for how little money.

And there's not a lot of risk in it.

It's a store of value.

Let's talk about this first one on the list, the Dodge

Charger, the 68 to 70 Dodge Charger.

This one I bring up specifically that catches my attention

because this is a car that went up in value

and is seeing a dip in the market, I believe.

And that's what makes this thing a very interesting buy

right now.

Totally.

One of the things that our valuation people point out

was that 52% of the owners right now, at least the ones

we know, they're Gen X and younger.

So that means the fastest growing segment in sort of like

who's getting into the car market are buying these things.

So we think that's a real positive nudge

for them being more valuable.

I think so too.

And I mean, there are, you know, these cars I think

they demand a little bit of research.

When you're getting into the 60s and 70s muscle car era,

especially the 60s size,

like there's just so many small little variations

and it's, you could see something like a charger

and go, oh man, this seems expensive.

But, you know, is it numbers matching?

Was there an engine swap?

What was the spec on it?

And something about the American muscle cars especially,

like the auction companies, all of them included,

by the way, the auction companies,

if you're selling muscle cars,

they love to go as to the finite details.

So like, this is, you know, this is the charger

and it's a manual, but this is the only one, you know,

that had, you know, a 411 gear in it.

And people like, okay, so now we're really just

getting to the build sheet and just figuring out

exactly like, you know, this is one of, you know,

one of seven that had this certain gear ratio

or this, you know, or like,

it could be something really silly.

Like this one had the, you know,

the factory replacement fuel pump because there was an issue

and they only made, you know, a hundred of these.

Like, so muscle cars especially, excuse me,

I find if you're getting into that area for the first time,

it helps to talk to somebody

that is a specialist with those cars.

If you're not talking to, you know,

one of the car specialists at the auction company,

you need to talk to somebody that knows about these cars.

I think that is a great piece of advice

because I agree a thousand percent.

Like you don't want this trim package,

you want that trim package.

Oh, okay.

And it's hard to keep them all straight

because they change them so often, right?

Keep them fresh here over here.

So yeah, that's a really good point.

The one thing that I will point out though,

they list the valuation tools,

lift different values at different conditions

because it's all about the condition of the car.

Okay, so top of the market's, you know, a hundred grand,

but then you get something with not original parts

or it's had some work done on it

and that's a 40 or $50,000 car.

And you really get that experience

without spending all the crazy money.

You know, if you're at least not a stickler

for that originality, which I'm not,

I'm always out to the experience.

I mean, I don't show cars, I just like drive them.

So I'm kind of a bottom feeder in that regard.

And that's what's cool about these

is can you think of a better looking

60s muscle car than the Charter?

Right, yeah.

And I mean, as cool as it was,

it was kind of on the big side, you know?

Yeah, they're big.

Like you park it next to a, you know,

a Gen 1 Camaro or Mustang, you're like,

gosh, this thing's huge.

Yeah, you know what's fun about this, Matt?

That the woman who owned it,

and her name was Sherry and she had bought it.

It was two years old.

She made her dad buy it as her first car.

Had it ever since.

Loves it, loves it, loves it.

Yeah.

You know, barely get it out of sight.

So that's one of the fun parts

about doing this exercise

is you get to meet a lot of the owners

and, you know, so many car people out there.

I know you know.

That's a cool one.

Yeah.

Okay, so moving down the list,

we've got the next one on the list is Mazda.

We're looking at 1999 through 2005,

Mazda MX-5, the Miata.

Oh my gosh.

I mean, it's a personal favorite.

I have three and a Miata is the first gen.

In terms of dollar per smiles and everything,

there's nothing better.

This is the second gen.

We're finally seeing these start to catch up.

They're still like,

I mean, you've driven these cars, right?

I have.

I had one.

It's so good.

I had one for like, yeah, for like a year or something.

It was like a friend had it

and was like moving out of town.

I didn't know what to do with the car.

And they're like, here, just take it for a while.

You know, it needed a little work,

but it was, excuse me, it was super fun to drive.

They're super durable.

I mean, these are the Miata is Mazda's moonshot.

It's like Toyota's Prius.

Like they engineered every freaking millimeter of that thing

just as, you know, as well as they could.

And it just shows they're so intuitive.

You get a real feel for what it's like

to be what's happening to contact patch.

And I like these cars because it's like,

it's a lot of times it's more fun to drive a slow car

fast and the drive a fast car slow.

And, you know, especially these roads,

what's happening in traffic and you're,

these cars, you can take them to red line

and you're not going to be risking a ticket.

And they're still like crazy cheap.

I mean, they're well under 20 grand for a really nice one.

So I can't say enough about Miata's.

I think they're killer.

If you, if you ever get into any sort of racing,

the Mazda Miata is a great place to start.

And there's so much support from the dealers

and the manufacturer in that regard on this.

And you're right.

Like you want to, you want to hit, like you're in California,

you want to hit like Angeles Crest or something

and you don't want to die, but you want to have fun.

Like this is a great, a great car to do it.

It's a great car.

And, you know, there's so many parts for it.

My favorite recipe for these is the suspension.

They're a little bit soft from the factory,

but they're nice because the ride quality is good.

So one thing I do to all my Miata's

is I don't change the spring rate,

but I changed the shock absorbers.

I just put straight up Coney yellows on them.

And I've done that on a couple of cars.

It just tightens it up just enough,

but it still keeps that compliance in there.

And they're just sharp and fun and fluid.

And you feel like you're wearing a dancing shoe.

Awesome cars.

You know, and changing the shocks, that's a good point.

There's so much support in the aftermarket

for the Miata.

Like there really is anything you could ever need

for that car you can get for that car.

And as a lot of people that get them

as they are fixing things that need to be,

that need attention over time

is a chance to do an upgrade to it, right?

There's usually like a slightly more interesting

or better performing version of that part.

Yeah. And then, you know, they are durable,

but of course every car needs maintenance.

I have not found a car that's easier to work on than Miata's.

Yeah. And everything bolts together.

It's not like you're fitting stuff.

And then there's so many used stuff out there.

By chance, you screw something up.

The worst case is a motor.

You can get one for like an almost new one

for two grand all day.

So like there's a kind of no risk.

And so it's a great way to learn the DIY skills

and all that stuff.

And then like I said, you can upgrade if you want.

All right. So moving on to the list,

this is kind of interesting.

So now you've got the 1956 to 1957,

the Continental Mark II.

And this is interesting because I just

talked to Chip Fuss about the car he built at SEMA.

And I believe he did a 56 Continental.

Did he really? Yeah.

And he turned it into a Roadster.

So there's no top on it.

I mean, yeah, look at that shot, right?

We tried to make it like this car invoked this kind

of JFK era to us, even though it was before it.

But it still had that kind of madman feel, right?

Remember, 56, 57, everybody was tail-friend crazy.

And here comes out this Lincoln that's not that.

It's really a little bit understated in lines.

But this car was supposed to be the American Rolls-Royce.

It wasn't called the Lincoln.

It was called the Continental.

And they were $10,000 new in 1956, which is kind of crazy.

Expensive back then, right?

Expensive.

Yeah, as you guys pointed out, that's $120,000 today.

Totally.

But we think this is one of those rare special cars

two years only.

And we're seeing some signs that there's a great interest

or more appreciation for how unique a machine it is.

How about that?

I think it's a cool car.

I think it's a very kind of classic looking.

I think it would be fun to drive.

Definitely not winning any races.

But this is just meant to be, like you said,

the American Rolls-Royce.

So it's meant to be very luxurious.

The funny thing about this car from Russ,

37% of the owners, no surprise, are over 70 years old.

Right?

Yeah, not surprise.

Over a third.

But the under 50-year-old share is up from 11% to 60%.

It's growing.

So the folks under share, they're growing.

So they're passing the cars around.

So we think there was a fairly good drop from 2020

to 2022, like a 25% drop in value.

But we think it's flattened out.

And it's sort of starting a little bit of a slower race.

Again, you're not going to get rich buying this car.

But you can buy it and own it, especially

if it's a good one, and just move on.

It's a very interesting car.

Next on the list, of course, is the Chevrolet, the 454 SS,

the truck, the 1990, 1993, the big block truck.

I mean, everybody's got to have a big block, right?

Yeah, I mean, it's the two-door standard

cab, short bed, big block in it.

Have you ever driven one of these?

I'm trying to think if I've driven the 454.

If I had, it was probably back when they were newish,

probably a few years old.

It would have been late 90s I drove it.

But I don't recall now.

So it's like the muscle car formula.

It's the lightest, smallest body with the biggest motor.

And you know, you've driven late 60s muscle cars.

They drive like trucks anyway.

Yeah, might as well have a truck.

Might as well get the truck version, right?

The one that could actually haul and tow stuff.

Listen, even my Lightning in 95, you buy that truck.

And they're not rack and pinion steering or anything.

So I mean, it's just so sloppy.

You can move that steering wheel back and forth six inches

before the car even turns.

Yeah, you know, and that's on the S10, right?

Yeah, the cycle is on the small put on the small.

Yeah, that's the cycle.

The Lightning was the Ford.

That's the F1 Ford.

Yeah, yeah, that's the F1 50.

So I think all of these, the 454 SSes, they were all black.

They all had like the red interior.

Yep.

Yeah.

You could see Dale Earnhardt driving one for sure,

couldn't you?

Absolutely you could.

Yeah, absolutely you could.

Excuse me.

All right.

So this is your favorite on your list.

Let's go to the next one.

All right.

This is my favorite.

This is the 2006 through 2013 Corvette Z06.

Yeah, I mean.

I agree.

This is such a great car.

Talk about another car like the Miata

where there's just so many parts, so many modifications,

so many things you can do this car.

You could get in this thing and have

an absolute performance home run right out of the box

or modify it to your heart's desire.

I mean, this car, I remember I was on the launch,

the sixth generation Z06.

And I couldn't ask the engineers enough questions.

I was so curious.

It's basically an LS kind of style block, seven liters.

And it rests, I want to say, 7,000-ish RPM

as titanium connecting rods.

And no turbos, no nothing, 505 horsepower.

The throttle response on these things

is like you're in a Tesla.

I can't believe I'm comparing it to that,

but I mean the immediacy of it.

It's just it's like it's such a live wire car.

And I did a lot.

I was just a car and driver when this thing came out.

And I drove these things all over the place.

And I just couldn't believe this is a production car now.

And now, I mean, you can get one of these for 40, 50 grand.

What do you get a touch for that?

I mean, the average price of a new car is $48,000.

You want to get a cannery for $34,000 or $38,000

or Z06 Corvette, I mean.

Right, yeah.

You'd be hard pressed to find something as great a performer

and as much fun to drive for that price range.

Oh, and they sound insane.

In their manual gearboxes, they upgraded the interior

from the C5 to the C6.

So it's a little bit nicer.

The other thing is they shrunk this car.

This is actually smaller dimensions than the C5

that it replaced because they wanted to sell it in Europe.

And so a lot of the ills of the C5 they address

with this car.

And what I love about the Corvette

is you've talked to those guys who work on the Corvette

and they stay with that program.

Every generation, this car does something you just never

expected, and they always make it better.

As much as I love the C7, that's my favorite,

but the C6 is just crazy, especially for the money.

So I think that engine was in the Camaro,

I think, for a short bit.

It was in the Corvette, but then it went away.

So that's why I think one of these cars

is going to be something to hold on to for sure.

And in this car, it was dry sump?

It had dry sump oil in it?

It had dry sump.

And then I think when you, I think you could buy,

at the time, you could buy the engine

in the Chevy Performance Catalog.

Yeah, you could.

Maybe it was wet sump in the Performance Catalog.

It was $15,000.

Yeah.

Right?

Yep.

Crazy.

OK.

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And going through this Hagerty Bowl list that I think is-

We call it the Bowl Market.

The Bowl Market.

There you go, the Bowl Market.

So next one on this list,

this one's an interesting car to me.

This is an Alfa Romeo.

Now, I'm a bit of an Alfa Romeo fan.

I've had Alfa Romeo spiders like 91, 92.

And growing up, my dad had some early ones,

like a graduate and stuff.

And so I always kind of liked them.

Slow, but fun and sharp looking

and just a fun little convertible.

But this is a 69 to 72 Alfa Romeo, the GTB.

Honestly, I don't know a lot about the streetcar versions,

but this is a great little race car and race trim.

And Adam Kroll has raced against these many times

in some of his smaller Datsuns, like his Datsun Roadster.

And just a cool all-around car.

Yeah, I mean, there are a lot of things

that are attractive about this car.

The two ones are, to me,

they wanted a practical car with a rear seat

and they has your Giorgio draw it.

And they're gorgeous.

I mean, they are freaking gorgeous.

It's like, you wanted a little Italian sedan.

This is what you picture in my view.

I mean, they're just beautiful,

little well-proportioned things.

And then the second thing is,

by the 70s and 80s, of course,

Alfa Romeo started getting a reputation

for poor reliability,

but in the early days, they were crazy durable.

And this twin cam motor had been around for a while.

And this is a brilliant engine.

It's a aluminum engine, five-speed gearbox.

This is in 1969.

Revs like crazy, loves revving.

It's got enough power and torque.

It's really smooth.

Again, one of those things simple to work on,

you want to learn how to tune carbs.

This is a good car to get.

So, I don't know.

I mean, the only weird thing is,

if you've ever been to one of these,

the driving position is a little weird.

Like the early Italian cars,

is the steering wheels are pretty far away.

Yeah.

And the pedals are up,

so it is a little bit awkward,

but you can fix all that.

And again, there's huge aftermarket support for these.

You can tune them and modify them.

And they made almost 50,000 of them,

like around 45,000.

So just a lot to be said for just the overall goodness

of these cars.

They just offer a lot.

The big thing that really woke up

a lot of us to these cars,

I think it's a forgotten car in a lot of respects.

And 9-12s, you know, Porsche 9-12s,

the four-cylinder 9-11,

they're worth like tens of thousands of dollars more.

Which just is like, wait, what?

And we know there's like Porsche fetish

out the wing, I love Porsches,

but that just didn't seem to make sense to us.

And then we thought, okay,

some of the other things that we were seeing

suggested the GT-V is finally getting its due.

Yeah.

Now, did they do an aluminum body version, GTA?

I think that was before.

That's when they also had like a step nose,

which was even earlier or a step down.

So yeah, they did a lot of things.

Of course, you know,

these cars were pretty successful

in the under two and a half liter Trans Am series

they raised them.

Yeah.

I mean, they're just great, great cars.

And you're right, that Twin Cam engine,

that engine has been the same

up into the nineties.

It got a little more displacement over the years,

but and it got a fuel injection, you know, eventually,

but yeah, just so the engine's been around forever,

you know, like again, slight variations of the engine,

but also a good looking engine.

It's a good looking little engine

with the cam cover and stuff on it.

So it's a cool piece.

I'm glad to see this car on the list.

Yeah, me too.

All right, now, this is an interesting one.

The next one on the list,

we're looking at the 2006 to 2007 BMW M5.

I love this car.

I love the V10 in it,

but also I'm very aware of its maintenance issues.

Yeah.

Like it sounds great.

Yeah.

And if you do an exhaust on it,

a little aftermarket exhaust,

it sounds almost like an F1 car.

Like it just winds, it's good,

but be prepared to turn some wrenches.

Well, I mean, I think you're gonna be prepared

to pay somebody else to turn some wrenches

because I wouldn't touch the thing for nothing.

I mean, you wanna go to the specialist,

I really know,

because I think it's the cam phasers

and even main bearings, main crankshaft bearings

that go bad, but you got a 500 horsepower V10

that revs to almost 7,800 RPM.

I mean, what do you think that's gonna be free?

Of course not.

I mean, it's just, it's a crazy high performance engine.

This is when BMW was in F1

and you know, it's considered a power train company,

one of the best engine companies around.

And for all the reasons you said,

these are just very,

it's a very exciting experience to drive one.

Now, I,

excuse me,

you're looking at the valuations

based on different conditions of the car.

This is the one on the list where I say,

get the best one you can afford.

Absolutely get the best one that you can afford.

You know, like if you were gonna get into the Miata

and you were gonna turn it into a race car

or you wanted to do a little restoration project

and parts are fairly inexpensive,

you know, you could have some fun with that

because you know you're gonna be modifying it.

This one, I think you just get the cleanest one

you can afford and spend the money on it.

Yeah, what's interesting is you could get

it's one of the rare cars with a sedan with a V10,

you could get a stick shift in.

Yeah.

They didn't make a lot in them.

The SMG, you know, it's an automated single clutch manual.

It's not that bad in this car as in some of the others.

It's not so clumsy.

And so that sometimes the SMG

and the computer-controlled shifting prevents the owner

from doing something dumb, you know,

like downshifting totally and things like that.

There's a little bit more insurance,

but I couldn't agree more.

You wanna see all the records.

You wanna make sure this thing is vetted

and anything that's been done could,

you know, the funny thing is 10% of the 8,800 M5s

that BMW sold in the US have since been exported out.

Oh, really?

Yeah, it's like a worldwide car.

This is some of the things that people are waking up

to just how special it is.

I would say just for the fun factor

and the reliability factor, if you had an opportunity,

you spend the extra money,

you get the manual transmission.

Totally.

I don't think the SMG,

I don't think that's the way to go on this car.

Probably not, but not a bad substitute

just because the manuals are hard to find.

Yeah.

And a lot more expensive.

Yeah, you'd be paying for it for sure.

Okay, so next on the list, 81 through 93 Dodge Ram Charger.

This one surprised you, didn't it?

Or not?

You know, I was surprised to see it on the list,

but now that I see it on the list, I get it.

And I had one of these moments where

in the 80s, my brother and I went with my dad

and he's like, I don't know, it's like maybe we get a truck

and there's a guy in the neighborhood that's selling one

and we test drove one of these from just like a neighbor

and it was a kid.

I was maybe 10 or something like that, mid-80s

and going, let's go for a ride in this thing.

And I remember that.

And I remember just giant hood ornament as a kid,

but yeah, tell me why you guys like this.

I mean, you've seen just vintage SUVs in general

or going up, right?

You know, the Cherokees, the square body blazers,

the OJ Broncos, things like that.

And this car hasn't really followed,

but some of the things that we've noticed is that

the share of people under 50 that are owners of these things

is double the average of all our Hagerty clients.

So we're seeing a much younger generation

get interested in these things.

And of course, they have that kind of two-tone look.

You don't see them everywhere.

So there's that sort of like unique factor

that we think is playing into this.

So it was one of those great,

I think you were talking about this at the beginning

of the show, where you see the top model go crazy.

It does tend to, the rising tide does kind of

lift all boats in a way.

And that's really the story of the Ram Charger.

I think this is also one of those trucks that,

you know, we're seeing the blazers

and we're seeing, you know, Broncos pop up

and we're starting to see them get modified at SEMA.

We're starting to see the aftermarket companies

like a velocity restorations going,

oh, you know, we'll sell you a turnkey version.

It's nostalgic, but if you can get it with working air

and rack and pain and steering and a custom chassis

and, you know, give us 250 grand

and, you know, we'll make a turnkey for you, which-

Isn't that crazy, 250 grand?

I know, right?

Crazy is the wrong word, but I mean-

Yeah.

Wow, that's a lot of money.

It is, it's a lot of money.

But I think this will give this a few years

and I think this will end up on that list.

I think those companies-

So you agree with this, you agree with this choice?

Yeah, I do.

Yeah, I think this is gonna do it.

Here's the, where's the hood ornament?

Where's the-

I know, it's down there on the right.

It's monster.

I'd buy just for that.

I love it, yeah.

I just remember seeing it again, I'm like, God, it's huge.

Yeah, no pedestrian impact safety worries there.

Yeah, right?

Okay, so then we're gonna go, all right.

So the next one on the list,

this one doesn't surprise me

just how hot this market is right now.

You know, I mean, you got the Miata

but talking about where Japanese cars have gone.

Yeah.

You guys have the 95 and 98 Skyline GT-R.

Yeah, R33.

Yeah.

Which we think the R34 went pretty crazy.

There's enough of these out there

now that they're over 25 years old.

You can bring them in and so people are doing it.

So this is one of the ones we think

that's in between generations of the Skyline.

You know, the Skyline's been around for decades.

Yeah.

And I don't know if you can,

I can't keep all the R34, R32, R33.

I can't really keep them all that straight

because a lot of them look the same.

But this thing's still quite powerful.

Still four-wheel drive.

It has a lot of the technology and the whiz bank stuff

that I think people like.

And so that's what we think there's, you know,

growing interest in this actual generation.

It's one of those that we think undervalued

and that's about to change.

Have you driven one of these?

Yeah.

You have because I, you know,

people love them so much certainly for what they represent

and just kind of how cool they are and they look good.

I just, I just can't really get like a good straight answer

from, you know, an objective answer on how do they drive?

Is it, is it, does it drive like that ram charger?

Oh, no, they're, these are one of those cars

that they're smooth and they're composed.

You have this really exhilarating turbo hit,

but the car feels really like an extension of you.

Like you can drive it right up to the limit

with a lot of confidence.

And you can tell the best and the brightest at Nissan

spent their time perfecting this car.

I mean, this was their halo car and it feels like it.

So I wish they were left-hand drive, by the way.

Yeah.

I mean, that'd be a lot of these here.

I mean, I can drive the right-hand car cars

and a lot of people don't, it doesn't bother them.

But for me, if I was really going to own one,

if they made this left-hand drive,

I would own one for sure, 1,000%.

Yeah, okay.

I mean, it's cool.

It's a good looking car.

I mean, certainly ahead of its time, way ahead of its time.

Well, the looks are kind of weird

because, you know, the Skyline was like Nissan's sport coupe

and then they added all this stuff onto it

to make it the GT-R.

So it doesn't really, you know,

it has still a reasonable backseat and a good trunk

and all these things that you don't really expect.

But it's a super car all day.

Yeah.

It really is, yeah.

You probably see it's one of them by you and LA, don't you?

You know, we do see a few.

There's, I mean, there's a handful of people

that have them in collections now.

Like you said, they're starting to notice them.

You can bring them here now

because of whatever the rule of the 25-year rule.

So you can bring them here.

And people are getting them dialed in.

So yeah, yeah.

I just, just a couple of months ago

was visiting a friend in the area.

And that was one of the cars

that he just picked up for his collection in black.

All right.

So 95 to 98 Volkswagen Golf GTI, the VR6.

Yeah, specifically the VR6 engine one.

And I mean, the VR6 engine,

this was the first application of it and the GTI,

which is of course,

they offset the cylinders 15 degrees.

So it's a V engine, but it's only 15 degrees

between the banks.

So you could, you could mount the engine transversely

because it's about the same length as the 4-cylinder,

but it has twice the cylinders

and therefore about a third more displacement.

And so that was a big deal.

And these things sound terrific.

You know, have you ever heard what they say

they sound like?

They say they sound like the Wookiees.

Call them Wookiees or something like that.

Yeah.

Okay.

I had never heard that

you would tell me about it.

Yeah.

I used to have a neighbor that had one of these,

did a lot of work on it.

Yeah.

The interesting thing when these came out,

I remember I was so excited for these.

I couldn't, because I had many GTIs.

They're probably one of my favorite cars.

And then I drove it.

I was so like let down.

I mean, engine was great.

The transmission is really fun,

but the car just rolled

and had none of the sharpness

that I expected out of a GTI.

And what happened was the American product planners,

they were afraid that the European suspension tuning

of the GTI was too stiff for our crummy roads.

So what we got here in America

was basically the luxury spec suspension,

which is of course a lot softer and it was too soft.

So this guy who owned this car,

first thing he did was, you know,

he changed the suspension.

He put the right coil over it.

So he sort of restored that back in it.

But that's something I always tell people

I would do before I buy one of these cars.

But the fascinating thing about these cars

is since 2020, the number two value

that's like super nice car is up 100%.

So it's doubled in price in five years.

But another example of just,

any of these cars on the list,

if you're just getting into something like this

for the first time, it-

It's a good one.

It always helps to talk to somebody first, right?

Talk to people that own them,

get on a couple of the groups

or the forums or whatever, you know,

and talk to some people about it.

You know, the engine's really fun.

It sounds really great.

You could also get it in the Passat, the GLX,

which was this really weird one

that didn't make for very long.

Those are like, they all melted.

Nobody kept them.

But, you know, 20 to 30 grand

gets you the nicest one of these in the world.

Yeah.

And that would be a great buy.

A great buy, fantastic buy, really entertaining.

Yeah.

Okay. And then this is the last one on our list.

This is the 2004 to 2007 Porsche Carrera GT.

Obviously not $20,000, but...

A little bit more.

Yeah.

Yeah, a little bit more.

But a very cool car, a very interesting car.

An amazing car.

Yeah.

So you remember, right?

That when the Carrera GT came out,

it was Porsche's like really first super car,

you know, before that it was a version of the 911.

And I think they made about 1,500 of these

and they didn't sell.

Right.

Do you remember that part?

Yeah.

I remember when it came out and Adam Krull and I

were doing a podcast at the studio

and somebody, you know, we were having the cars coming over

or doing featured cars and stuff

and somebody brought one of these on.

And, you know, it was a little tough

to get it into the driveway.

It doesn't have like the front axle nose lift

that a lot of the super cars have

and, you know, great sound and 10 cylinder

and excuse me, not the wooden shift knob

and it had some cool things into it.

But you were like, wow,

I can't believe this is a Porsche.

Yeah.

Incredible car.

I mean, there's different stories about

where the V10 came out.

It was a Stillborn F1 engine

or it was a version of the eight cylinder they ran out.

I can't remember the exact spec

but the fun thing about this car

or one of the things that's really well known for

is the clutch is really tricky.

And that's because they wanted them out.

The engine is low as possible.

So they used a multi-disk clutch

that I think is about six inches in diameter.

You know, most clutches are anywhere

from 12 to 15 inches.

So that's why they can move the,

mount the engine lower to dry sump, you know,

and they are tricky to get going

but once they go, there's a fluidity

and speed and ease to these things

that they just belize what you hear on the internet.

You know, there's another one of those widow maker cars.

Everybody says it'll kill you.

Yeah.

I tested these things like all over the place.

They did lane changes, skid pad, everything.

They're mid-engine car.

Like, yeah, once they go NSX is the same way.

You know, if you get the tail going back and forth

at some point, it could snap.

So you have to stay on top of it

but I never found them to be like that evil.

But they're super exciting.

You know, the sound, you can go to the YouTube,

how good a YouTube channel

and you can watch the video, you can hear it.

It's one of the best sounding cars ever made.

And I find it funny, Matt,

like this car, the LFA, the 918,

like when they were new, they did not sell that well.

And actually the original 4GT, right?

The 04, same thing.

Yeah.

They went down to like 110 grand.

And then something happens,

five years, 10 years goes by

and everybody's like,

whoa, where is this thing that all my life?

Holy cow.

And now they're worth, you know,

like our GTs are worth a million and a half bucks.

Yeah, for, it wasn't that long ago

where cars were still like,

they were expensive when they came out

and then they would drop down

to like used car prices as we would consider it.

And then eventually start creeping its way back up.

And sometimes that process took 30 years, you know?

But nowadays it's like car, the, you know,

a lot of car manufacturers,

not even just the highest end brands,

but car manufacturers are going,

no, no, no, we're going after some residual value.

We're going after some limited edition versions

of these cars.

And we want these cars to be worth some money.

You know, a company like Aston Martin,

which those cars usually tank in value.

But Aston Martin is really just going after like,

oh, we need to do a limited version of this

and a limited version of this.

And it just can't be like a trim level.

Like we need to make nine of these roadsters

and we need to make, you know,

and even if you, they're not big in the press

and even if they're not trading hands a lot,

like they are keeping their value up there.

And I think a car like this, like we're done with it.

You know, so like a Porsche comes out

with another super car, you know,

like the Mustang GTD, I think is a good example.

People are like, oh, this is interesting.

It's not a four GT, where's it going to go?

I go up, that's where it's going to go.

Like I think that thing is going to go up.

People are going, oh, should I spend $600,000,

$400,000 or whatever, you know,

it's like 325 or something with options.

Maybe it's 400, 400 changes.

They spend $400,000 on the Mustang.

Now, if you have the money, yes, you should

because it's going to go up.

And by the way, that car is fun as shit to drive.

Yeah, it's, I heard, I don't know if this

I'm sure I'm fact-tracking it, but I heard

that Porsche sells more special editions than 911

than they do the 911.

Yeah, because I think we might be

under special edition fatigue.

We might be, we might be for sure.

And look, and not all of them will be great.

Not everybody's like limited special edition car

will be great, but I think there's,

I think there's some interesting things there for sure.

But the Carrera GT, it's still what they call analog car.

It's a stick shift in an automatic world.

It has that very unique special V10 engine

that's not muffled by twin turbos

like so much of it is today.

It went over 200 miles an hour.

Yeah.

60 and 300, no stability control.

You know, it's all about driver feel.

I mean, this is a exciting car

that gets your heart rate up.

Yeah.

And it was only 400, 450,000 new

and now they're worth about a million and a half.

But there's nothing for sale like it anymore.

Right.

That's anywhere near the cost of this thing.

So that's why we think it's just gonna keep going up.

And you'll never get anything that analog again,

unless you're going to one of the,

like you're going to like a singer or something like that.

You know, like, yeah.

Or like maybe a GMA car or something like that.

Yeah.

I mean, I was thinking,

and thanks for going through the whole bull market list.

I hope your listeners appreciate it

and they go check it out.

And maybe through previous years

they can find something they like.

You know, it's a significant,

you buy a fun car.

It's a significant chunk of money

that you're putting in something.

So we're trying to help people make sure

they're doing it or making smart decisions.

You know.

So that's really what we're after.

So I appreciate you giving us the voice to do it.

The one thing I was wondering about that came to mind

was I kind of think the scrapping of CAFE regulations.

I'm sort of excited to see what might come next.

Yeah.

You know, if you unshackle the engineers

and the product planners

and they don't have all these weird little

unintended consequences to fill.

You know, maybe the analog stuff will come back

because you know, there's still the Miata,

there's the GR Corolla,

there's the BRZ, Subaru,

still some fun cars out.

I don't know if you've driven the Mustang,

Dark Horse, that car's fantastic.

I've driven the Dark Horse, it's great.

I've driven the GTD, it's great.

And you're right.

I think maybe we'll start to see some of that.

I mean, there's also just been sort of a correction.

I don't want to say correction in the market,

but just sort of a correction

in the anticipated demand for EV

on behalf of the manufacturers.

So manufacturers are going, there's a place for EV,

but it may not be 100% of the future.

So now we need to start looking at, what does that mean?

Now, for a lot of car companies,

this is a multi-billion dollar mistake, if you will,

or just sort of a...

Or an investment that's not gonna pay off.

Right, it was just sort of a...

You're right, it was a vision for the future

that might not quite be there yet.

Yeah, I've been seeing signs that, on one hand,

we've been told, not we've been told,

but it suggests the trend lines that

we're not gonna be driving anymore

because autonomous cars are gonna take you over.

I remember six, seven, eight years ago,

even Bob Lutz was saying, say goodbye.

By 2030 ain't driving.

Well, okay, we think that's gone.

And then I look at what the automotive passion,

what's happening to it, it's only growing.

And the only thing I have to really say that

is if you think about the number of real enthusiasts

running car companies, and then the number

of factory involvement in IMSA sports car racing,

it's over a dozen factory teams in different levels.

Five years ago, those of us who loved road racing

never would even have dared hope for this outcome.

And now they're all there at the Daytona 24 hours.

It's amazing, so they must be getting something out of it.

And to your point, it's not slowing down.

Ford's investment in racing in all forms of racing.

Yeah.

Genesis moving into racing.

Genesis is like, we need to do,

they're kind of like emulating what Audi was doing.

It was like, we're gonna make some very interesting cars.

We're gonna make some high performance versions.

Now we're gonna make some racing cars

and have that education trickle down

to our new magma line of performance cars.

I mean, AMG, BMW, M's, you know, cars.

Hyundai N's, which I love about that.

Why not go after that?

Why not try to emulate it?

And especially for them, for the Hyundai, Genesis,

Kia family, they're selling cars.

They're doing well.

They're making money.

So that was the time for them to go,

maybe we invest some of that money

into like racing programs and high performance vehicles

and some new halo cars.

And now that we sort of made those brands cool, you know,

you would go, do I want a Hyundai?

Like, I don't know.

They're like, do you want a Hyundai, Ionic 5N?

Like, yes, I do.

Yeah.

I'm just hoping that there's more of a business case

to serve enthusiasts.

Yeah.

Right?

Because the charger's gonna come back

with a gas engine.

Maybe the Camaro come back.

Maybe.

I haven't heard anything, but boy, it'd be great.

You know, we have a Corvette ZR1

that's like 1,064 horsepower.

I mean, we're in this golden age.

We just needed to trickle down

to sort of more affordable cars for the rest of us.

Yes, we do.

And you know, I was just doing the podcast earlier

about I just spent a week driving a Hyundai Palisade.

Oh, that's a really terrific SUV.

And I'm like, this thing is gorgeous.

It exudes Range Rover goodness

and the hybrid version, good gas mileage

and it looks good.

And it's, you know, the calligraphy version

with all the options, 60 grand.

I'm like, oh my God, for a three-row SUV

with that gorgeous interior,

it's like, you get a lot of car for the money

and you don't need to spend 60 grand on it.

That's their nicest version.

Yeah, I mean.

So there is some interesting stuff there.

The car that, the new car surprised me the most

was a Renault.

And it was, I rented a new Toyota Camry.

It had like 500 miles on it.

I was like, wow, this thing is quiet.

It's tight.

It's roomy.

And I checked the sticker.

It was $32,000.

I was like, I think I got 40 miles of the gallon

while I drove it.

Amazing car.

You know, it's interesting you said that

because I've got like an Arizona road trip planned

for the holidays.

Yeah.

And listen, I love the car manufacturers.

They've been great to us over the last decade and a half.

We could pretty much call and go,

you know what?

You know what we haven't driven yet?

Let's drive this.

Let's drive that and get pretty much anything out there.

I asked for a Honda Civic Hybrid.

They're great.

Because you talk about a car, bang for the buck,

great gas mileage, $30,000-ish range.

And I was just like, I want to road trip that car.

Like I'm driving a, I'm going to get a Land Rover Defender

before that.

But for the trip, I was like, no, no, no.

I want, like the Civic Sedan, I think it'll do 47 miles

to the gallon, the Civic hybrid version.

Hybrid version.

Yeah, yeah.

Anyway, there's a lot of good stuff out there.

And you don't, I mean, that's why I'm surprised

how expensive the average new car is, $48,000.

Because I know it's insane.

We think of the car from the Maverick to the Civic

to the Camry to there's probably more even the Corolla

that we're missing.

And oh, the Chevy Trax is pretty nice little car too.

And so you don't have to spend crazy amounts of money

on your car.

Even on the EV side, Chevy Equinox,

you can get for less than that $50,000 mark.

That's, you can get that in the 30s.

But Larry, thanks so much.

Before we wrap up, what's next on the docket

for Hagerty for you guys?

I mean, as we go into the new year,

we always think about, OK, what do we think is the big thing?

A big thing for us is we love history.

We love special cars.

We love.

So the 250th anniversary of the United States,

which is happening next summer, is a big kind of focus for us.

We're trying to figure out how to tell our stories

around that milestone.

And you know, there's so many characters

that are so interesting in the automotive space,

from James Packard to Louis Chevrolet to Durant to Henry

Ford and just trying to figure out how to tell him Shelby.

I mean, it's just a million.

And so what we try to do is find the stories that

haven't been told yet and, you know, bring that stuff to light.

So that's kind of what one of our focuses is for sure.

And it's been super fun.

Yeah. Awesome.

Well, definitely keep in touch.

We'll have to have you back on maybe

with a little less time in between.

Yeah, any time, Matt.

Thanks for having us.

Appreciate it.

Thanks so much.

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