Las Vegas GP Race Review

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Hello everybody and welcome back to the P1 Podcast with Matt and Tommy. Now with the laugh,

you probably understand that we've had quite the long ending to the Las Vegas Grand Prix

because some things have happened. A most monumental bombshell, we thought it was over.

We've done an entire podcast, which you're going to listen to by the way. A lot of it is,

of course, still very accurate, still very normal. Some of it is insane, but it's actually quite

funny to listen to the gradual increase of what is going on. I'm seeing more and more of

this. As we were basically recording as the news came in, which is... Both McLarens have been disqualified

from the Las Vegas Grand Prix. Yes, this is not the first of April. This is not April Fools.

We are not trolling. We are not baiting. This is absolutely real.

I can't believe it. I genuinely can't believe it because... I am shell shocked.

We have said this so many times, haven't we? The title was over. As we did the podcast,

you'll get to listen to it after this bit. We're basically saying that Lando has

basically got the trophy done. He barely needs to do anything now. Instead, the way this has gone

means that we now have Lando Norris, Oscar Piastri and Max Verstappen within a race win.

Two races on a sprint to go. I just want to say as well, we're doing something for the first time

in a very long time. There are 37,000 people listening and watching live to us doing this part

of the podcast because we are doing a live stream. We wanted to do something to be part

of the P1 community and wait for the decision, which took so long, so damn long to come out.

But we're finally here. We can all just breathe a sigh of relief.

I can't breathe. Well, yeah, you're going to be absolutely

unsufferable whilst I try and tell you that Max can still win the championship.

You'll be like, well, actually, I don't know about that one. So, look, let's talk about it because

we have to talk about what's changed now since the end of the race.

So both McLarens have been disqualified from the Vegas Grand Prix, which is utterly insane.

I can't believe I'm saying it out loud. We thought it was just going to be a Lando thing.

We thought Lando was struggling for fuel. Would it be the fact of the fuel sample thing?

Because that's what we were questioning. Lando was going slow in the last few laps.

But no, it turns out to be the plank. The plank was the problem not just with Lando's car,

but with Oscars as well. Let me get the full FIA document up because it's worth just reading out.

They're very similar. In fact, they both had exactly the same measurements.

Which is mental. So the rear skids of car four, and of course you can say 81 as well,

were measured and found to be below the minimum thickness of nine millimeters specified under

Article 3.5.9 of the technical regulations. The relevant measurements were RHS front,

8.88 millimeters, and RHS rear, so basically the front and rear plank, 8.93 millimeters,

and essentially the measuring device was accurate to within 0.001 millimeter.

Both measurements were the same by what we've seen in both the documents.

And that was the reason for the disqualification. Why it took so long, I don't know.

But this reminds me of Charles Leclerc in China, who had exactly the same problem.

It was a double DSQ that day for Ferrari, but Lewis had a different problem.

But back to today, how? These are the championship leaders. And as we've kind

of mentioned before, they didn't need to push this much. Max was out of the championship really.

The only way that Max could have gotten back into this championship was if he won the race

and they didn't score, and they have now been disqualified. That is the exact scenario

that has happened. I think for context, we need to say that basically after the Brazilian

Grand Prix, they believed that they've changed the way things have been done with the skid block

because teams were using devices, they believed, that were expanding the titanium blocks.

And basically, it's very interesting that this story had already come out,

that this was potentially happening. And within the very next race, McLaren have been disqualified

with both their cars. It's something that is a very viable theory, I think,

that this has come out very coincidental. Very coincidental indeed. A lot of fans,

a lot of people watching along with us were saying, look, we saw the sparks from both Lando

and Oscar. Even when Lando was cruising, the sparks were flying. And it's turned into

a double disqualification, which I think we just need to just talk about that for a second.

Obviously, this is the benefit of hindsight. Obviously, McLaren have been disqualified. How

could this happen? But I'm also sat here as a fan going, if it was marginal, why are we even going

down this route? It's utterly insane. McLaren, the only way they bring Max Verstappen into the

World Championship is if they make a blunder like this, or if both of them have a crash or

whatever. This is exactly what's happened. Now, I will say, of course, setting up a

car is difficult and also as well that the race weekend that we had, we had wet sessions,

we had wet to dry sessions, we had interrupted free practice two at the end. And the talking

point after Quali was the fact that they hadn't done much long running, much heavy fuel running.

So clearly McLaren, with that data, have not been able to sort a car setup that wouldn't drag

their car along the ground as much as they predicted. And it's not an excuse because it

isn't. This is a generational fumble to bring Max Verstappen within a race win with two races

and one sprint to go. It is, Tommy, categorically championship back on.

It is. And I think the thing what is absolutely insane and a lot of people are getting

maybe a little bit ahead of themselves because we could go in and this is the pessimistic

me talking. I wondered when it would come out. No, no, no. But we could go into Qatar and

McLaren could still be very strong. As we said, the McLaren, if you look at the final two races,

it's got McLaren kind of that stomping ground. It's what should be suited for McLaren. But I

think what maybe a lot of people that want a close championship or Max Verstappen fans are

finding kind of very interesting is if this is indeed the case that McLaren now can't run their

cars as low as possible, are they going to have to raise their ride height and sacrifice a bit of

performance going into the final two rounds, which then opens it up because we can see how

close it is that the pecking order. And as you said, Max Verstappen now needs Charlotte

Clair, needs Mercedes, Ferrari. I know his teammate is very unlikely, but he needs people getting in

the mix because it's obviously still 24 points. It's a lot, but it is, of course, doable. We've

seen it before. He needs other teams getting in that mix. And if McLaren do have to raise their

car and they can't perform to their maximum, they could struggle going into the last two

rounds. It should be insane. Yeah, there's a lot of headlines, isn't there? There's a lot of

headline, a lot of talking points from this. I think the biggest one for sure is that Charlotte

Clair missed out on a podium by two tenths of a second. That would be the thing that really runs

into Qatar is the fact that, you know, that that is devastating. I will lose sleep tonight

when I finally go to bed thinking about that. But let's talk about what it means

for Lando first and foremost. He is still the championship favourite, 24 points clear of

his teammate who he has been outperforming for many, many races now. Max is the form driver,

but for Lando, he can still finish second in every single race behind Max, the sprint,

and the two races and be world champion. Obviously, the question that you've asked

there is whether McLaren are actually going to be as fast as we expect in Qatar seeing what

we've just seen in Vegas. I think that's a very valid thing to wonder. But for Lando,

I think now he is fully, fully focused on what Max and Red Bull can do because he has the measure

of Oscar at the moment. And I think that will continue for the next two races. I don't think

as much as some people might wonder, oh, is Lando going to bottle it this that and the other?

I don't think it's fair to say that considering what he has proved in the last part of this

season in particular. I still think he is the favourite to win the championship. I still

think he probably will. But we have seen crazier things happen in this season already.

And I feel as though it's going to be so fascinating now because he doesn't have the

buffer to Max Verstappen that he had coming into Vegas. It has been cut down tremendously from 49

to 24. The hype has flipped on its head. Yeah, the hype has flipped on its head.

From a championship perspective, right? From an entertainment perspective,

from a neutral slash Charle-Claire fan, this is amazing to watch the next two races. The

hype of it has gone massive. From a human level, I feel massively sorry for Lando who did

absolutely everything he needed to. From a champion-elect perspective, finishing second

behind Max, that was all he needed to do. And we go into this later on in the podcast

as well before they both got disqualified. But yeah, just mental scenes.

Yeah, because we were talking about the fact that Lando is basically all but won the championship

now. He's got it won. And he's probably in some Vegas nightclub somewhere, was celebrating the

fact that he's had a great race again, enjoying himself. I don't know if he was celebrating,

but I'm not celebrating. I think he knew something was coming.

Yeah, but it is interesting that he's the absolute flip on its head. And I don't know how

obviously no one knows how this is going to go. And you make a very good point of Lando has

proved himself under the pressure in the last few races. I think this is by far and away

the biggest test, even more than last year, I think now, that he's going to go from

essentially being in his head when he crossed the line thinking, I've almost won the world

championship. You've got to be thinking that at that moment. I've almost won this world

championship. To now, Max Verstappen, who we've said is a completely different ballgame to being

against Oscar Piestri, who's got the measure of now. Someone that we all saw what happened last year,

Max drives very differently and Max is going to now drive even more extreme with the opportunity

of a world championship. And the pressure from Lando to go from almost believing he's won the

world championship, to now going in and thinking, how do I measure this risk versus reward? How do

I play it against Max? Max is going to go for everything. I need to be cautious, but not too

cautious. And the nerves, if he holds his nerves and wins the championship, it's about as much

pressure as you could get really going into these final races for Max to be within a race win.

Now, let's talk about Oscar Piestri, who of course is still in this championship fight. I think he's

the third favourite in this championship fight, or the least favourite, because there's only three

of them still fighting. I'm actually seeing, because again, this is an utterly insane sort of

scenario. We're live streaming and I'm seeing a lot of people chatting away that Oscar's document

has been recalled. Now, I wonder if that is because they've got the measurements wrong and

they've copied and pasted it, because I can't imagine they had exactly the same measurements

on both the front and the rear. So I'm not going to start saying Oscar Piestri is not going to get

disqualified, but I feel as though maybe there's going to be a clarification from the start, where

we said, oh, they've both got the same measurements. I don't think that's going to be the case.

So either or, they're both still disqualified. I just think there might be a slight correction

to what the document says. But for Oscar Piestri, in a weird, strange, odd way,

this kind of works in his favour. If they're both going to get disqualified,

it's when Lando outscores him, which is what happened. Obviously, in a better scenario,

Oscar doesn't get disqualified and Lando does. And then it would have been nine points,

I believe, the gap between Lando and Oscar going into the final two races and one sprint, of

course. So for Oscar, it's a little bit of a saving grace to be 24 points behind rather

than it would have been 30, I think, going into the final few weekends.

He just needs to send it. He needs to absolutely just send it. Even if he spins out trying to find

time, he needs to find something if he wants to win this world championship and it needs to be

in the next session. And for he practised one, Oscar Piestri has to risk it all.

And whether it's easier said than done with that, right? I know that for a fact.

If you don't have confidence in the car, you don't have confidence.

But Oscar, he's got to do something crazy. He's got to do something.

He kind of does. But also for Oscar in a weird way, because his pace has been so poor,

there's obviously been pictures of him gone. I just see his docks come in.

I saw the first ball was like, oh my God, it was so close. But then the front was bad.

So the front of his skid was 8.96 millimetres. I was like, oh, that's why I went or.

But then the front, sorry, the LHS front, I don't understand these terms, was 8.96.

The RHS front was 8.74. And the rear was 8.90.

Okay. So yeah, so it's still disqualified. And yeah, Oscar is weird because Oscar was seen

him and Mark Webber almost like smiling as they were leaving.

Now, obviously that could have just been a moment where we see this a lot with Formula

1 where one picture can't tell you the whole context of it.

But of course, deep down, it is weirdly a win for him.

And because it's not only has it basically put Oscar kind of back towards Lando,

I think it also is a little bit of a win. And this is a stretch, but Oscar needs everything

now because as we've said before, he doesn't really show that he's got much left to give.

The pressure on Lando, and Oscar wasn't giving that pressure on Lando,

but you bet the Max Verstappen will. And if Max Verstappen and Lando start fighting and wheel

banging and stuff, Oscar Piastri could be there to pick up the pieces. So that's

another interesting dynamic, I think, which I think what makes it so fascinating is

yes, 24 points is a big gap going. It's not impossible. It is quite a big gap, obviously.

It's amazing to see that it's going and it is just a race win. But I think the fact that it's

three of them and two of them are teammates just adds even more spice into the fact that

we've got this now. Certainly. Now, another question also to sort of clarify LHS and RHS

means left-hand side and right-hand side. Thank you to the livestream chat for letting me know

about that. It's great to have a little live audience. A question that a lot of people's

lips does McLaren favour one driver. Do they finally put their eggs in Lando's basket because

Max's level on points with Oscar? Well, if you go back to what Zach Brown, I believe, said

a few races ago, they'd rather lose the World Drivers' Championship than back one of their drivers.

There you go. Here's the scenario. Now you've got to prove it. Now you've got to prove it

because you think of the scenarios. Say Qatar, the main race. Max is winning.

Oscar's second, Lando's third. Oscar's only getting three on Lando, but Max is gaining 10.

What, where do they do? In any other scenario, you swap the two cars to help Lando,

but they've already said and vehemently stated that they are not going to do that.

And you can't throw it away for Oscar Piastri in case something happens. And this is what I

think I've said before about Sebastian Betel in 2010. Everyone wanted them to back Weber.

Because Sebastian Betel was out of it because it looked like it was Weber versus Fernando Alonzo,

Red Bull versus Ferrari. And if they had backed Weber all the way,

Weber would have lost the title, Fernando Alonzo would have won it, and Sebastian Betel wouldn't

have had enough points to clinch it. So equally, they weirdly can't, even if it

is an insane situation where it's almost gone. Obviously, if it is impossible,

they could do something. But Oscar's not going to want to, you can't let Oscar give up a chance

for him to be within a champion, like going for that world championship into the final race,

even if it is 24 points again, or 25 because their level on win so could win on count back.

Like, so you can't deny him. So McLaren, yeah, they are going to have to stick to their guns

and just let them both go for it. Yeah, I'd imagine that probably Mark Webber has got in

Oscar's contract as long as he's mathematically in contention, he will not be a number two driver,

if we're being completely honest with you there. So I imagine that McLaren will have to just play

it out as is. So I guess the question, I've already stated that it's championship back on,

but Tommy, can Max Verstappen win this world championship?

He can, he absolutely can. Will he? Obviously, like I'm going to say this, I still think Lando

is definitely the favorite. Obviously, the hype now of him being back in the title and it feeling

really close, we're all super excited. And it's like, oh my God, like Lando still very much has

it in his hands. His form has been amazing, you know, as long as McLaren don't fumble again,

but you know, we have seen McLaren fumble more than a few times, not just this year,

but in their history. But Max, we're weirdly in the same situation we were kind of a few races ago

where he still needs to be perfect. You know, had he been eking out the lead, and

Brazil had gone his way and Mexico gone his way, it's almost like de facto the same that he would

have ended up kind of about 20, 24 points or whatever behind 25, et cetera, going into these

kind of final two races anyway with the leaps that he was taking into the lead. So it's kind of like,

it's kind of flipped it. So those last two races where it didn't work for him has kind of changed

that now. And now he's within it, but he is still a long way to go. But he can absolutely,

you know, do it, he just, he just needs to be absolutely perfect. And as we mentioned at

the start, he needs a Charle-Claire, George Russell, Kimmian Tinelli on their absolute best

to basically be finishing second, third and fourth, to make sure that the McLaren's are

finishing fifth, sixth, seventh or whatever. I do absolutely love that this F1 World Championship

has thrown you so many insane scenarios to keep Max Verstappen in this World Championship.

The fact that you said, ah, well, you know, Max, he's so far behind, he's completely out of

the championship, then goes on a ridiculous run of wins out of nowhere, like out of

absolutely nowhere, Red Bull go fast, or get fast with Max at the helm. You then have,

oh, you know, they have to crash, you know, McLaren have to come together. They come together

in the sprint. They literally both DNF, Max wins the sprint. And now you have a McLaren double

DSQ to keep the hopes that sort of thin flame alive. If this was Charle-Claire in your situation,

I would be, I would be in hospital right now. There would be no saving me in terms of believing,

of course, you're a lot more of a, let's not say pessimistic, let's say

negatively realistic. Negative, yeah, I don't know how you're coping, mate.

No, it is, it makes it like, as I mentioned, at the end of Brazil, I said like, in a weird way,

it's like, rip the bandaid off of like, well, at least I know it's over now and can kind of

relax. I didn't expect to be running into my wardrobe to get the, but daddy, I love

him T-shirt and put it back on because yeah, it is very much like a possibility and the pressure

and the expectation will just ramp up so much. And Max, it's a lot to ask, but he's got nothing to

lose. It is also incredibly scary thought that we are getting to those nine Spain point scenario

that we said, imagine if it cost him the title, those points they lost in Spain

and the way this championship is going looks like it could literally be like a nine point gap at the end.

Could easily be. And then, yeah, I can imagine it'll be a very depressive, depressing podcast at

the end of Abu Dhabi, should that be the case, Tommy, but we will get there in only a matter

of weeks. And that is it from this reaction to the McLaren DSQ, don't worry. The rest

of the podcast is coming after this. So lots more discussion about everything else that went on

in the race, so you can enjoy that. Some badly aged things, but also a lot of it will make sense,

but there are some funny bits that you'll basically look back on and go, oh, that's funny

in context. And also, of course, you'll get to see the live reaction as it came in because

we were recording. It's a great lesson, trust me. You're going to really enjoy this.

It's a lot of fun. We will see you very soon and I will now pass you over to past Matt and Tommy.

Goodbye. Let's begin, shall we, Tom Bellingham, with my most memorable moment

and probably the biggest moment of the race. Turn one, lap one, Lando versus Max. We knew,

we said it, didn't we, after qualifying that should Max even get the smallest of sniffs,

the smallest of opportunities, he was going to have a look down the inside and Lando,

quite frankly, he did the right thing. He got that he had a reasonable start. I think Max was

ever so slightly better. Lando sensed, Max is going to take the inside here. If I don't do

something about it, he goes aggressively to the inside, which is exactly what Max

Verstappen would do. Sadly for him, misjudges the braking ever so slightly, locks up, runs wide,

Max goes through, George does an amazing move around the outside of Lando as well,

and then into the braking zone of the next corner. We were questioning what was going

to happen at this point. Lando was looking quite slow in that beginning phase of the

Grand Prix as well, but more specifically on the turn one moment, yes, it was Lando's mistake.

I do actually, in a weird way, I do like the fact he went aggressive and wasn't scared

to show Max the wall almost, which is what Max Verstappen's and the aggressive defensive

drivers of this world do. But yeah, Lando wasn't able to fully execute on that one

and gave up the lead because of it. Indeed, yeah. I think there's been so many times,

hadn't there, like Lando's starts have been questioned a lot throughout his career,

obviously, he's improved them a hell of a lot in the last few races and something we've

praised him for. But yeah, basically my reaction to the start was, oh my god,

Lando, I'm not familiar with your game. Oh, okay, you've gone off. I am familiar.

Yeah. But like, yeah, he went for the very aggressive move, which he had to kind of do

because as we said, Max, even the slightest sniff or even, you know, point one of a sniff,

he will go for the move. Are we going to just say sniff constantly? I don't know what's

going on. I know we both own dogs now, but like, come on. But yeah, award nominating podcast.

Yeah, vote for us for creator of the year. I think the move,

yeah, like he basically had to go cover that inside to stop Max, but unfortunately for him,

he just went in way too hard. We've seen that a lot. And we saw it with a few drivers

behind, which we'll talk about later, that did even more so. But unfortunately for Lando,

yeah, ran wide. And then in the way he kind of rejoined as well and kind of rejoined

to try and get Max, it almost like meant that he had to get out of the throttle. And that's

what allowed George Russell around the outside of course. In a way, I'm surprised he was so

aggressive. And I guess it shows to him that he still really wants to like win the races and

prove a point and put one on Max the Stappen. But yeah, it of course made up for it by passing George

and finishing second. Absolutely. And I think as well, in an alternate reality,

yes, he lost a couple of positions at the start. But with Max and how aggressive he may well have

been on the inside, Lando could well have lost more. It had he allowed Max down the inside

to squeeze him on the exit. Max would have shoved him wide in the hope that Lando would have lost to

like four drivers probably. Yeah, for sure. We've seen it before with Max, haven't we? With both

his fights with Lewis Hamilton and of course, occasionally with Lando as well. So in a weird

way, it wasn't that bad in that the whole championship context, dropping to third when

you've got Carlos Sainz behind, who's never going to put an impression on you,

wasn't the end of the world. He just needs to finish the race and finish on the podium,

which is exactly what he did. Question from P1Patreon member Sophie.

Can we start seeing Lando play it smart instead of aggressive on the remaining tracks?

With a lead he just has to protect. Look, I just kind of mentioned it there.

I think Lando, of course, still wanted to win the race, as you said, Tommy. But

I firmly believe that he has the championship in his head now in the sense of managing things

like that he doesn't need to risk anything. So it's going to be interesting,

should we have more wheel-to-wheel battles in Qatar or Qatar specifically, I would say,

where he can win the world championship. The best way to go about things is, yes,

play it smart. But we know with Formula One drivers, they want to win all the time. So

this will be a very interesting thing to keep an eye on with Lando because the world championship

is the biggest prize. Losing to Max in Vegas is not something he'll remember,

should he win the world championship come the end of the season.

So I hope everyone in McLaren for Lando's sake is saying, look, just play it smart,

settle for second. And it was a bit weird. And there have been many weird McLaren team radios.

I know exactly what you're going to say. Will Joseph telling Lando,

who was sort of like questioning, I think, about his race and what he was doing and

how he's going to catch Max and et cetera, et cetera. And then Will Joseph said, just do more.

I'm like, no, we don't... What are they doing? That's an insane team radio to say

to a championship leader who's never won a world championship before. I'm not saying

he doesn't know how to win a world championship. But why would you even try and egg him on to

go for the win when your championship rival, your closest one, Oscar, is fighting for P5

at that time, I think. I just found that very bizarre. Of course, Lando was fine and finished second.

But just managing his thoughts and feelings, that is the prime objective or one of the

prime objectives of a team radio engineer and a strategist is to make sure your driver

doesn't try and do something silly. And I did find that it's just came to me now.

I've found that very odd.

100%. That is literally the point I was about to make going into this

in this race that I thought that that decision was absolutely insane.

McLaren, no, it was their team. What happened in 2007 where Lewis Hamilton

basically had to cruise to... He basically was in the position landing orases now where he needed

to cruise to a fifth place and a seventh place or something in the final two races

and he would have won the championship easily. And yet they went for this.

They went for broke. They tried to get the victory. They left him out on tires. He obviously messed up

in the pit entry and that's what ended up ultimately costing him the world championship.

Why are they telling him to push so much? Because he almost run out of fuel as well

with the fact that he was pushing so hard. It's absolutely insane that McLaren would

basically be like, come on, let's go get Max now. I know, of course, they're racers. They want to win.

But P2 was always going to be the... Basically, you've all but won the championship.

Landau's all but won the championship now. Let's be honest with the position that he was in.

So why you risk under qualification if you run out of fuel or Landau making a mistake or

doing something like that? It seemed very odd that they would go so ham on fighting Max for the victory.

And this is where we always get the comments of like, don't you guys love F1? Yes, I want to see it.

I want to see drivers go for the win. But if I use my brain of like, if I was a team member,

I'd be like, Landau, you're going to win the world championship. These are two different

things. Of course, I want to see Landau go for the victory because I want to see

entertainment. It would have been amazing to watch them battle for the win. As we said,

it wasn't the greatest race and we wanted to see more will to election. So as an F1 fan,

yeah, I want to see it. I want to see them go for broke. But if you're a team member,

like, you know, you don't need to go that ham with it.

Exactly. And I think as well, I can't believe I'm about to use a football analogy because

I don't really watch football. But in the sense of, you know, when you're watching a favorite team

and they're one nil up, you want to see them score four or five, but if they cut the bus to

secure the victory or the win, that's the play. That's the strategic plan. I think this is what

sometimes people who listen to the podcast get confused about. And you're quite right in

bringing that up, Tommy, is that we're talking from a McLaren perspective right now that

managing Landau and saying, look, P2 is fine, mate. Whether they want to come across that way,

maybe they're so concerned about not being this team that goes for which, I don't know,

you know, we can open up a can of worms with that one. But yeah, I did find that a little bit

strange. And I'm not surprised you did as well. Question from Rob JVW Thompson.

Did Landau slow enough to save enough fuel for the sample at the end of the race?

Yes. Sorry, Max's stuff and fans, but yes, he did.

And Oscar Piatri fans.

Oscar Piatri fans as well, of course. And yeah, he did. There was a radio with two laps together

that was basically like, well done, we've done enough now. But what a crazy situation at the

end. And this is, again, we go back to that point of like, why are you pushing so hard

to try and win the race if this was going to be an issue? Because of course,

we say that Landau's all but won the championship now. But had he ran out of fuel or

been disqualified or had an issue or whatever, then it very much is would be championship back on

because you'd lose those 18 points and it's looking a lot a lot closer. But yeah, he did save a huge

amount of fuel. The team said he'd done enough and they don't seem to think it's an issue. I know

everyone on social media and bantering the watch along, but also maybe not bantering about like

looking at every single Landau facial expression on the podium and being like, oh,

he looks nervous. Oh, he's not spraying the champagne like, oh, the way he has sipped that

champagne bottle. No, that's not the that's not the way he got in that pink Lego car and put his

sunglasses on. That's the guy that's worried about getting disqualified. He didn't laugh enough

at Terry Crews during the meme. It's, it's, yeah, it's a ridiculous situation. Just to

clarify with this, you are saying from the team radio we've heard rather than there's been

FIA clearance. No, there's not been FIA clearance. Let's be real here because the way you're saying

that is kind of being like, there's a closed book. We know for a fact when we're doing this

podcast sometimes, Tommy, we get FIA notifications coming through, usually about a Ferrari double

DSQ. But I'll say don't, don't hold your, what I'll say is obviously, of course, nothing is

never confirmed, but don't, don't hold your breath. We're not here like on tenterhooks

waiting for it basically because, because, but it is crazy how much, but it is crazy how much,

you know, he lost at the end there, like 15 seconds in three laps. Like I watched the

on board they were showing it on the sky pad. Like the lift and coast was like,

was crazy Ferrari levels. That's right. Yeah, yeah, I knew. I was going to try and cover

the Ferrari joke and you said it already. Good stuff. Okay, let's go into this next one

because I'm about to pop off. Tanner Collins underscore three asked the question,

has F1 production totally lost the plot on what race fans want to see?

How did they not show Lando Norris limping along at the end of the race

until the last corner? Thank you. I was losing my mind over the last few laps. I am lucky enough

to have like little live timing stuff and you can see the sectors and Lando was literally losing

like a second and a half, second and a half each sector. And we're watching not even overtakes.

We're literally just toodling along with George Russell, maybe it's Kimmy Antonelli,

whoever it was. Meanwhile, the championship leader is running out of fuel and losing

four seconds a lap or something to to max ahead. And George was of course not going as quickly as

that. But one more lap and George might have been close enough. And we saw not a singular on board.

And we have been complimenting the the TV direction of late because they have been

using more mini boxes. They have been trying. But my God, did they have an intern in that had

never watched Formula One before? Because we had a reasonable race, nothing crazy. I don't think it

was a particularly exciting one in the grand scheme of things. This was like, oh, wow,

is Lando going to DNF? Is Lando going to get overtaken by George? And all we could do every

single one of us, Formula One fans is stare at a timing tower, which by the way, they then kept

removing and showing track position changes. I nearly swore, nearly swore on the podcast. That's

crazy. I don't do that on the podcast. But you know what I'm saying? I don't care about anything

other than the gap and an onboard and they showed none of it. It is absolutely. It was a maddening

thing because the thing that gets me here is we talk about like Drive to Survive and how the Drive

to Survive generation of Formula One and how maybe that over doing it over the top with all this

like drama and stuff. Overdramatising. You were going to say it. Yeah, yeah. My 4am brain was

like, I'm not going to get this word out. Don't even start on 2020. Yeah, exactly. Yeah,

don't give me numbers now. But the fact that we say this and sometimes they play like little

radio message to add to the drama. This was the golden opportunity to add some drama to this race.

Max Verstappen winning 25 point swing. If Lando runs out of fuel, play the radio messages of them

panicking. Show Lando lifting and coast. Show the gap. Gap to Russell. Get the AWS graphic of closing

in two laps or whatever. This is your chance to like ham up this drama because you don't even need

to fake it here because this is your opportunity to do something. And I can't believe they

didn't even like cut to Lando at any point in the situation because this is the world

championship leader that's almost like, you know, running out of petrol across the finish line.

And one of the rivals going for the world championship is about to win the race. And

he's pulling away hand over fist. You know, how do you run out of fuel? Like, you know, that would

have been like the pivotal moment in the championship for drama. And they just were

acting like, you know, we make jokes in we on the watch along of like,

you always have to like, ham it up. Not everyone's going to be me and go now it's over.

Because like Formula One is an entertainment broadcast need to be like,

look, it's close. Look at the championship fight. It's still it's still very much on its

mathematical and all that kind of stuff. That was their opportunity to do that.

And they didn't take it crazy, crazy decision. They didn't. And also it wasn't even

sort of you couldn't forgive them with the fact it was like half a lap at the end

of the race. It was happening with three laps to go. That was when Lando started,

I think to sort of fall off the pace dramatically, right? So they had enough time to at the bare

minimum show the onboard. Okay, if they didn't have the graphics ready, because they're getting

ready for Mickey Mouse with their fountains, you know, maybe they weren't ready to activate

all of the the bells and whistles. Fine. You do wonder if they are like,

distracted or doing other things, getting ready for the end and yeah, because of course,

okay, the thing that like really ticked us off this year and

set this whole precedent of team radio rants across the whole Formula One

fan community was Singapore when they missed Alonso and Hamilton and Hamilton,

basically like slowing down on those final laps and they didn't show a second of it

where Alonso was catching him and they missed that. And then you thought,

okay, they've learned their lesson. TV direction is looking a lot better. They're

showing mini boxes. They're doing this, they're doing that. That was the perfect opportunity

to show that you'd learned from those mistakes. But unfortunately, here we are again.

Here we are again indeed. Okay, away from TV production now,

question from P1 Patreon member Blackson. How happy will Lando be about the results with

McLaren's pace deficit? This was the best result he could have hoped for.

Very happy. I think once he gets over the fact that, you know, he'll be playing it in his head that,

you know, he wanted to make the point to the point where he obviously

dropped the F bomb about the fact that he messed up the start with Max. And we know Lando,

you know, would really wants to, you can tell Lando really was put one over on the

staff. And I think as well, he's not won out in many word to word battles with him and stuff.

And I think he really wanted to show like, look, I can, I can fight Max here. And obviously,

he didn't play out that way for him. But the he's all but won the championship now,

like Oscar Piastri is nowhere at all. Like it is insane what's happened to Piastri. We

would say every week, but it's just getting worse. He's like completely anonymous.

While Lando's fighting for race victories, Oscar's basically trying to score like decent

points. Like it's absolutely insane, like his run of, his run of form. So yeah, I,

he's going to be more than happy, I think with the result.

For sure. Yeah. Second place is absolutely fine enough in this, in this championship context.

Speaking of that lock up, I think it was worth just sharing David Coulthard,

the, his analysis of the lap one, turn one incident is that he said, Lando Norris,

this was in commentary, Lando Norris tried to play Max Verstappen at his own game.

The problem is that he doesn't know the rules of that game, which you know,

I mean, DC is obviously a massive Max fan as well. So I can't believe he said that in the

country. Yeah, but still, it's looking more and more likely that Lando will be well championed.

So I'm sure he will not be too faced. He won't care. Like it's looking so good,

isn't it? Like now for him, he only needs to finish. Well, he doesn't really need to do anything

in the next race and he'll be fine. And obviously we all know that it's a track very

well suited to McLaren. In fact, the last two are. So this, this in theory had Max been

a lot closer and this pains me to say it. Like this, this would have been the race, I think that

there could have been a bit, a big points swing because had it been a dry qualifying,

who knows where Lando might have ended up instead of putting that brilliant pole position

and had pace at the end to obviously fight. But yeah, he was struggling quite a bit at

the start and who knows how that would have gone.

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And I wonder which driver you're going to pick. Well, it's not Max Verstappen again. It's Kimmy

Antonelli, of course. And as we mentioned about Max Verstappen and what might have been

with his season and winning the race had he been a bit closer. I think Kimmy Antonelli,

what might have been, because of my word, what a final stint from him. It's not only the jump

start. It's the qualifying, of course. He started way down the order. Poor qualifying,

had it been a dry qualifying and he qualified much higher up. A podium was definitely on.

Who knows what else because Kimmy Antonelli's pace at the end was absolutely sensational.

And I think for Antonelli again, I know George didn't have the best issue, but if you take away

Kimmy's five second penalty, which I know was deserved, but like for the context of like

his driving, you know, he's finishing like, well, like two seconds behind George when George

started at the front and Kimmy started at the back. Of course, the strategy worked in his favor, but

another race where Kimmy Antonelli looked so, so strong. Last time out, of course, absolutely

brilliant. Here again, can't believe he had the pace to just pull away. He thought he was a

sitting duck and we were kind of having conversations on the watch along of is he going to pit

potentially and then try and fly through the field. But he even managed to just about

hang on to the point where he pipped Charlotte Claire in the end as well. So yeah, a really

impressive performance from Kimmy, but I think you look at it and I know like a win would be

obviously a huge stretch. But like, had he qualified higher up, he could have been

in the fight like George was fighting at the front. It was an excellent race from Kimmy.

Such a shame that he got knocked out in Q1. I am of the belief that Kimmy was on

the best strategy. The hard tires was definitely better than the mediums today.

That's nothing to not to take away from his his race, but I feel as though

I don't know, in a weird way, the drivers amazing and his pace was

ridiculous at the end of that stint. It just makes me wonder like what happened to the hard

tires. I think Kimmy kept it in a very good window. I think George mentioned

in the cooldown car with Terry Cruz, you kind of heard him a little bit talk about

the fact of he'd sort of maybe hurt his tires a little bit too much at the beginning of

the race. And that's what caused him to fall off. But George fell off in both stints in fairness.

So I think Kimmy did a brilliant job. It's hard. We're not comparing apples with apples,

because there were two different strategies here and Kimmy came through the field. I don't

know. I'm just trying to figure it doesn't make sense. Like why does 48 lap old hard tires?

Why was that like the best thing to do? They got like a second wind as well,

didn't they? They weren't like they were falling off and then suddenly he was just like

actually got loads of pace. See you later. But no, these are all kind of question marks,

but the facts are that Kimmy did a brilliant job. And it is a shame because off the back

of Brazil, of course, where we were hyping him up massively, he could have beaten George

again for sure in this race. Would he have fought Lando and Max? I'm not so sure.

I do feel as though Max especially Max had enough in the locker where the Lando would have been a bit

vulnerable potentially. But these are all, you know, if spots and maybes, there's there's,

you know, this is a different alternate reality where Tommy goes to bed and wonders if Kimmy

Antonelli would have won the Las Vegas Grand Prix and his prediction would have come in.

But yeah, phenomenal work from Kimmy. Just such a shame about quality. And of course,

as well, the five second penalty where when I looked at the replay, I was like,

I don't know if I'm just blind. We've missed that. I think he rolled forward, I think at one

point. I've got it here. I'm going to put it in maximum, maximum screen. Oh, wow. Yeah.

The wheel, is it oscillates? I think that's the word where it kind of rolls forward by like

that much just before the lights go out. And I think he would have gotten away with that

had he parked a little bit further back in his grid box. But clearly he's put it right on the

limit, rolled forward a matter of centimetres and then gets a penalty. So yeah, I said that in the

watch along the drivers have rolled forward before and got away with it. Max comes to mind, I think

it was Australia that time, Lando in Saudi, where they have rolled a bit. But because they're

they're further back, it's not set the sensor up if you like. So yeah, unfortunate for him.

Unfortunately, indeed a question. People on Patreon remember Hades Ash with a performance

like that and other recent ones. Is Kimmy a title contender next year with a good enough car?

I am not jumping on the recency bias bandwagon to be a world champion. You have to be consistent

over the course of an entire year. Kimmy has not shown that yet. This is rookie season.

It's very unlikely for him to have shown that this season. But if he continues on this

run of form, absolutely. He has been so impressive the last couple of weekends,

qualifying aside in Vegas. To say he'll be a title contender next year, I think he's doing

George Russell a disservice. I think George Russell has been brilliant this season once again,

and most importantly, been consistent, just always there, always fighting in the top five.

Kimmy has had stinkers this year. Let's not forget, it's not just been phenomenal drives.

I'm not going to say next year is title contender. He's not in the realm of that

just yet. It's going to take him a few years, perhaps similar to an Oscar Piaz tri trajectory.

If Mercedes roll out with a car next year that is the fastest, I believe George Russell will

be world champion. There's no doubt in my mind. Kimmy could definitely pick up some

wins next year. Should that be the case? I think Kimmy could surprise people in the same way. I know

it's aged incredibly badly now to say this based on how he's ended the season. But no one gave Oscar

a prayer at the start of this year in terms of he's much less experienced than Lando.

He's not really there. Then of course, he had that amazing start to the season where he looked

really comfortable in the car. I'm not saying that that will happen. But I think if Mercedes

do deliver a very good car and if not the best car, I do think Kimmy will push George a lot harder

next year than what he's done this year, of course, with just a second year under his belt.

But I don't think over a season Kimmy would be able to beat George Russell.

It's the consistency. In the live shows, you were a lot more Antonelli sort of hyped?

I was. It depends. If Kimmy in the last two races is looking comfortable and

is looking like he's weaker than George in the races, then it's Kimmy Antonelli,

world champion, here we go. But is that consistency that wins you championships really at the

end of the day, isn't it? Certainly does. That's what I think George has as his game.

OK, next question. P1P, captain of 3420, Kimmy managed to do 48 laps of 50 on a single set

of hard tyres and still had the same pace as the others around him. Genuinely, what are Pirelli

doing? Well, I think, and I've said it so many times, that I do think teams get baited

by the fact that in 2012, tyres hit this cliff and they blow up and oh my god, because how

many times this year have we seen teams be able to take tyres so much further and the drop-off is

nowhere near as much as they thought it was? Might have to stop in Brazil. Let's go back.

Let's get a time machine. Go back. Don't do that last bit of stuff. But again, the way

we've seen the Pirellis this year, Lawson in Brazil doing all those laps on the medium,

which were of course the equivalent of what the hard tyre was here taking in the C3, I think it was.

And there's been many races this year like Lando in Hungary. I know that's a very hard

thing to overtake at, but where you kind of go, oh, it's never a one-stop and then they do a

one-stop and it works out. The Pirellis can be pushed a lot further than I think some teams

give them credit for and they can go much longer and the teams are so worried about them falling

off this cliff. And there is obviously performance there, but I don't feel like we see this cliff

as much as we used to back in the day because what surprised me most in that was Kimmy was able

to unlock performance again out of that tyre and pick up speed after such a long time.

What are Pirellis doing? I guess they're not... If you grew up watching in your 2012s and stuff

where they were bought on to make tyres that would last about three laps and then they

need to make six pit stops a race, I can understand the frustration, but these are the tyres we've

got. They are indeed. I think for this, for the whole Pirelli debate, this example today after

Las Vegas, what we've seen, I don't think... Firstly, what are Pirelli doing? Pirelli can't make

specific tyres for each Grand Prix. Let's be as much as we're Formula One fans, we live in

dream worlds and we want everything to be perfect, to be two stops, three stops, whatever.

Pirelli is either a one or two stop this year and they're not. They have the C1 all the way through

to the C6, which has been introduced this year, C6 of course being the softest of tyres. I'm going

to back Pirelli a little bit here with the fact that they have many things to... This podcast

is not sponsored by Pirelli. They have many things to factor in, not least safety, but also

that track's changed so much, like Vegas was cold. It's a completely different circuit to say

Qatar, which is literally next week, where we are getting a mandatory two-stop because they

can't go more than 25 laps on a set of tyres. I don't know, I just... There's only so many

simulations you can do. The only way to find out how good the tyres are is to get

20 Formula One cars to do a race and obviously that can't happen until the race. It's all

a bit hindsight really. We're not going to get this dream situation of a two-stop every single time

because that's just... That is a dream of ours which will never come true.

Unless they do the mandatory tyre rule. Yeah, but that's more on the FIA, that's more on Formula

One to mandate that rule. For Pirelli, I don't know, because we saw it as well, they are so fragile.

So, Pirelli have created a tyre where the driver has to do a very good job in keeping it in a good

window because we're slandering Pirelli now for Kimmy being able to do 40 out of 50 laps.

Look at George Russell. George Russell struggling. He fell off an absolute cliff,

this cliff that we think doesn't happen. George Russell fell off a cliff,

not as much as the four or five seconds we saw in 2012 or whatever it was,

but it was enough for Kimmy to be able to catch him because he kept his tyres

in this really amazing, narrow working window. So, it's not as if we saw 14, 15 drivers

all doing 48 laps on the hard tyres. Kimmy Antonelli was the exception today

and I think Kimmy deserves a lot of praise for that because he kept them in

a very solid working window and created an amazing race for him.

So yeah, no Pirelli slander this time, at least from me.

P1 Patriot member Mike Savage F1. We're now over to Oscar Piastri.

Is Oscar just going to hold on to P2 with the final tracks favouring McLaren?

Oh, this is a difficult one. I firmly believe that yes,

McLaren will be the fastest package around Qatar, but I think Max will still be there.

I do genuinely believe Max will still fight for a podium and especially fight Oscar,

maybe not Lando, we'll see if Lando wins by 30 seconds, but Oscar's not got the pace.

He just does not have the pace and I firmly believe Max is going to finish second in the

driver's championship now. I believe that coming into Vegas and Oscar showed sadly no signs of

recovery in comparison to his teammate Lando, who was of course on pole position and then

finished in a very, I was going to say comfortable P2 minus the fuel issue, a comfortable P2.

Qatar is probably number one for McLaren in my opinion of tracks they should be quick at.

They were quick at it before they were dominating. So if Oscar cannot beat Max in Qatar, Max I think

undoubtedly will finish second in the championship after Abu Dhabi should everything go

fine and smooth and no DNFs. I don't think it matters what with Oscar, what favors McLaren because

he's got nothing sadly. We've seen it. It's just been a trend now for the last, well all the way

up to the US Grand Prix or back at the US Grand Prix. We go back to the United States Grand Prix

and Lando Norris I think had he got past Leclerc Quicker, may have challenged for the victory there,

challenged for the victory, Oscar finished 30 seconds off the lead in P5. Mexico, Lando wins

easily, Oscars 42 seconds off in P5. So you can argue if Lando is winning by 30 seconds,

that's a track that's very good for McLaren. Brazil, Lando wins the race,

Oscars 15 seconds behind. So he's got, you know, Lando's winning races and things and Oscars

nowhere. So I think even if we get a situation where McLaren are heavily suited and I think

they will beat to the last two tracks, Oscar's form unfortunately is so bad that it doesn't

really matter for him and that's the worrying sign. So I see Max snatching P2, like I just

think the form of Oscar is so poor at the moment. He just doesn't seem to have anything,

even like watching him in his wheel to wheel racing today was such a hard watch because

this is a driver who has put in, in my opinion, two of the best moves we've seen this year,

hands down. The move on Charle-Claire, I think it was at Monza around the outside,

at the first Les Maux and on Lewis Hamilton in Australia. And we've praised how daring he is

with his wheel to wheel racing and stuff. And you know, he was stuck behind struggling to pass

people that he should have got passed, I think, quite easily. Yeah, he's just got nothing at

the moment. I'm not even joking, Lando's car has been taken for further investigation.

I was slightly distracted when you were saying that. My dad just messaged me, Lando has an

investigation, kiss, kiss. And I was like, four. He's joking. And he's, no, no, no,

I've just typed in Lando and apparently Ted has said the FIA has taken Lando's car for more

checks. Why, why, why, why would my dad do this? No, no, no, I've not seen this from any, anyone

though. No one else has messaged this. Well, Ted Kravitz is a highly reputable source.

Right. My dad just can't drop this bombshell and then leave. Where have you heard this?

I've not seen this anywhere. I'm looking now. I can't see anything. I am live on the podcast.

Please explain. Like, you can't just drop that. I've just typed in Lando and I'm just, what is, what?

No, I've not, I've not seen anything. I can't see a single journalist.

Yeah, I just saw that as well.

What? No. Okay, this is all going in the podcast. People love just random off the cuff stuff.

Ted Kravitz on SkyF1 has confirmed. No, I've just seen, I've just seen, yeah.

Okay. Now, but we're getting my dad's, my dad's thoughts because you can't,

you can't just drop that and just bounce, you know what I'm saying?

Hi, Dad. You know, I'm mid podcast. Tom is making a great point. What is going on with

Lando? You know, you can't just drop that. Sorry, but that's okay. No, no, no, is he? What

have you heard? It's about the fuel. Yeah. And there's another thing that they're investigating.

They brought him back up, you know, and they're investigating something else. They're not sure

what yet Ted's not sure. But okay. Keep you update. Yeah, this is very important.

This is going out to hundreds of thousands of people. So Dad, don't be a, you know,

this has to be a reputable source. Well, this is Ted's notebook. Ted's notebook.

We can all blame Ted if it's all right. We'll all blame Ted if it's wrong then.

All right. Thanks, Dad. Appreciate you keeping me up to date. All right. Text me if you see

anything else. Love you. Bye. Oh my God. I mean, you just, my dad just loves just dropping absolute

bombshells whilst I'm recording occasionally. If I was wearing a smartwatch right now,

my heart rate doubled. The funniest thing is Tommy, right? For the first, I don't know,

10 or 15 minutes of the podcast, I was genuinely deliberating at what point would I pretend

that Lando was going to investigate. Just to see that 1% of you be like, charge it back on.

Okay. Well, look, we're going to continue to record and talk about the rest of the race.

And if something happens, Tommy might faint. If this, oh my God. That's crazy. Okay.

Right. Where were we? Because I've completely, that Oscar.

Oscar's got nothing left. Oscar's got nothing left.

Okay. Well, geez, that's all right, mate. Sorry, Oscar. I'm sure you don't. Sorry, Oscar.

It's true. It's sad. He's got something left. No, he doesn't. He wasn't like 12th, you know what I'm

saying? Like he's got some pace, but just not the pace of Lando. My God, that interview was

a tough watch with him afterwards. He knows the championship. After quality, he literally

looked like he'd been crying. The race, the post race interview, he was like,

like he basically conceded the championship. He was. Yeah. He just said that there's,

that he needs more than just performances and even the performances aren't coming.

Speaking of Oscar, because it's worth talking about, is the Term 1 incident with Liam Lawson?

Yes. I've seen the FIA doc. So it was no further action for this Lawson-Piastry incident.

And the reason for which they have said, is car 30 made a move to the right and collided

with car 81. However, in mitigation, car 30 made the move to avoid colliding with the rear

of car 63, whose driver locked up to avoid a collision with car 55. All right. So a chain

of events. In view of this, and the fact that this was a lap 1 Term 1, we determined no further

action. I thought this was very borderline, to be honest with you. George has locked up

and pinched the apex. And I guess I can see now where the FIA is coming from in terms of

it is lap 1 Term 1 and Lawson has not tried to make a move on Oscar. It was avoiding action.

Avoiding Russell, yeah. But at the same time, I'm like, geez,

like if I'm Oscar in that position, I'm absolutely fuming that. I've been,

you know, yeeted out of the way. And it is no further action. But I guess that is the,

is that what you would call racing on lap 1 Term 1? I think it's very borderline.

Yeah. Well, Oscar made a fair point in his post race interview was like,

basically, like I got penalized for essentially, not penalized, but like, I actually tried to

break into the corner normally, you know, because it's all right saying,

oh, Liam Lawson was avoiding Russell, but it's because he was about to slam into the back

of him because he'd got too hot going into the corner. So yeah, I think Lawson's very lucky to

get away with that one. I mean, obviously, I think fortunately for the FIA and the whole

situation didn't really make too much of a difference in the race. And obviously,

Lawson's damaged his own car. I know they'd say, they always say, we don't take the

consequence, but had Oscar been, you know, had Lawson been fine or even Oscar Piastri's

front left wheel gone off, you just know for a fact that he's getting a 10 second penalty.

It's so true, isn't it? Because it isn't always the incident, but you make a very good point.

If Oscar's front wing comes off, Lawson's getting a penalty for that hands down.

Yeah, 100%.

Yeah, it's very strange, isn't it? So back to the lander thing very quickly,

Tommy, because this is, of course, you know, this is insane potential breaking news.

Adam Cooper, who I believe is a journalist said that it looks like it's a scrutineering

issue for Lando. The FIA's Nicholas Tom Bassis is in the garage in discussion with Andrea Stella,

whose media session has been postponed. So there is some kind of issue going on,

whether that is just extraction of the fuels proving difficult because he was quite minimal.

You know, we've seen this before with Sebastian Vettel and Hungry, don't

forget, when he was fighting Ocon for the win and then got disqualified for lack of fuel. So

we will keep you updated.

Max the Stapham was there with a straw drinking the remaining.

Slower drinking out. Anything to get me back in the championship.

Okay, all right, let's try and focus back up, but I'm sure you guys are enjoying the chaos.

Next question, P1Patreon member Thimmer, with this resurgence of the Red Bull car,

where did the Stapham lose the World Drivers Championship? And why is it Spain?

And why is it when Lando doesn't get disqualified from this race?

Uh, no, it's...

Tommy, stop.

I'm joking.

So let this rewind 20 minutes.

Look at him. He's got belief in his eyes and this is pessimistic, Tommy.

Okay, so to answer this question, the World Championship is won over multiple races. I

know everyone will bring it back to Spain, say Max. You know, it's nine points, but

you know, you can also argue in Spain that they made a ridiculous strategy call,

in my opinion, even worse than the one that they made in Brazil,

where they should have kept Max out on the tyres in the first place to lead the race with

only a few laps to go. And he would have been in a better position, but instead,

obviously, they put him on hard tyres that were terrible. And you can look at so many incidents

where, like, Red Bull lost the championship from, like, Kimi Antonelli crashing into him,

or Brazil, then pitting him, or Spain. At the end of the day, like, the Red Bull has not been

consistently fast enough. And that is the problem with Max's happens title.

It's almost like a minor miracle. And of course, I'm saying this as a fanboy, like,

but that he is even in this championship. And yes, when he's had a good car,

he's been able to deliver. And I think had he had a good car all season long,

I don't think even the biggest Max has happened. Haters will say that he wouldn't have been

challenging for this championship and potentially even winning it. Because,

you know, we've seen how he's done in the past. And every time he's had a good car underneath him,

he has been able to extract almost always the best result out of it and bag a load of points.

Whereas, you know, for me, that they will lose the world championship,

because McLaren have been far more consistent with their pace all year, whereas the Red Bull

have flopped and changed, you know, midpoint of the season. McLaren will getting one-two every

week and Red Bull were nowhere. Like, that for me is the stage where they lost the championship

because they didn't have the car to do it. Yeah, for sure. I think, you know, we spoke

about drivers, world champions, and the consistency they have to show, but also the

team. And McLaren have been the best team this year. They've done a phenomenal job with their car

and almost every single race we've gone to, they've been competitive. It's just such a shame that Max,

you know, that start of the year, yes, he had some amazing standout performances,

but he also had moments where he was being beaten by other teams around him as well as

McLaren. So, yeah, it's a tough one, I'm sure, for Max to sort of process, because I'm sure

he feels like he's put down a very good season, but it's not been quite enough. It literally had

to be a perfect season, not eating George Russell at Spain, not getting yeeted by Kimi Antonelli

in Austria, things like that add up. So, it's not over, apparently. But it also might be very

soon. Yeah, it may well be. We have to assume that it's going to be absolutely fine. I'm seeing

social media literally explode before my eyes about Lando being investigated. Lando's left

the circuit, apparently, as well. And they're like, what could this mean? It seems very similar

to the champagne drinking, if I'm being completely honest with you. But yeah, Red Bull,

I genuinely felt like it was going to be a much worse season for Max and Red Bull this year

of course, I predicted him world champion, but that was before the season started. But when I saw

how good McLaren were, I was like, surely Red Bull are just going to pack it up after Spain. Of

course, they were going to bring a massive upgrade package there. It didn't, obviously, massively

work because Max had that meltdown. And then after that, I just thought Red Bull go, right,

let's just focus for 26 and beyond. But then they had this resurgence, of course, having

Mekki's at the helm as well. I think he's done a brilliant job to sort of remove the toxicity

at the team and really sort of have them pointing in the right direction. And I firmly believe that

having drivers, sorry, not having drivers, having engineers at the top of teams is

something we're going to see more and more of. Because you know, Daddy Vowles, what a guy,

you know, Williams, he's doing a brilliant job there. Well, look at Komatsu as well with

what he said with Haas compared to Steiner. I think it's showing up and down the grid that

it works. Exactly. Okay, next question. P1P, do you remember Sara 0433? What was that turn one

move from Bortoletto? It was very, sorry, as Martin Brundle might say, a day late and a dollar short.

That was a very poor move from Bortoletto. He gets a five-place grid drop for the next race

and two penalty points, which is actually his first penalty points, or at least the first

on his license. Now, he's now on two of 12. It was a very poor move. It's easily done, I think.

And you know, with Vegas, it's such a short run down towards turn one. It seemed like, and I've

done this many times on the Formula One game, but fortunately for me, I don't have the consequences

of it being in real life. You can really just outbreak yourself on lap one, heavy fuel,

on the dirtiest part of the or dirty side of the track. And it was a big impact and

absolutely wiped out Lance Stroll out of the race. So for Bortoletto, it was very poor.

Of course, he clearly felt like he needed to make up something from qualifying.

It's a rookie era, a big old rookie era. We can stamp that right there and then.

But yeah, a weekend to forget for Gabby. Definitely. And I think for Gabby,

unfortunately, it's been quite a run of races to forget for him, or

particularly like maybe not a run of races. But in terms of his performance towards the end of the

season, he had this amazing kind of run where quite rightfully we're giving him a huge amount of credit

and saying that he's been probably quite underrated as one of the rookies this season.

But he's had a few scruffy races and this is another moment where, you know, yeah,

like very much the first thing I thought of was public lobby in a video game vibes of

turn one where someone is far too ambitious, late on the brakes and plows into everyone.

And yeah, not the best moment for Bortoletto, for sure.

No, certainly not. Okay, question from MrBear15. Why did F1 put so much effort into the post-race

show? I know it's Vegas, but still. Yeah, it's a dream question. It's Vegas.

Formula One put their own money into it. They are, the whole point of Vegas is it's this

massive show that's what Formula One wants to do. I do think Vegas is literally like

a final level boss for Formula One fans that don't like this side of the sport.

You know, like your Maxus happens where they think it's all showy and not about the racing

where it's almost like, how much can we do to wind up old school Formula One fans that only

care about the racing? Let's put Mickey Mouse doing the fountain display. Let's have Terry Crews

and a pink Cadillac made out of it again. No, I will not. I will not hear any slander for Terry

Crews and the pink Cadillac. I love it. I loved that. I loved that. Yeah, it was amazing.

That was great. But the thing with that is what I like about that is it involves the drivers,

so that's good. I like that from that situation. But the Mickey Mouse thing,

I know they have to delay the podium, but it was very much just like one massive Disney advert

to advertise Disney. But look, you've got to pay for the race somehow for 10 years,

and Disney have a lot of money. So I'm sure Mickey Mouse will probably be

break dancing next year and with Goofy and probably a lot more things to come with that.

Yeah. I quite enjoyed it when they brought in the F1 themes tune in this sort of orchestral

version. It was quite a cool thing. So, God, honestly, I can't stop just keeping an eye

on what's going on. Now, just seeing the John Noble message. What's that?

Basically, the podium cars are yet to be released from Park Fermi,

and the FIA single-seater boss was seen talking to Andrea Stella in the McLaren box.

So apparently, as well, I've just heard that the FIA is still in Lando's garage as far as

right now. I know that everybody listening wants to hear about Mickey Mouse, and I thought so.

Like, this is the most ridiculous podcast ever that we're essentially like...

I'm quite enjoying it.

Yeah. I love the chaos of it. We're getting like a live, I feel like we're on like

Sky Sports News or something where we're like over to Twitter.

We'll carry on talking about Mickey Mouse until we know what is the championship

implication.

Question from Matt Gallagher. What could be the next Disney lights display? And where do you think it

will be? No, I'm joking. But back to the post-face show thing and stuff, we kind of sat there going,

why don't they put that at the start? It felt like that was a much better place to sort of put

some kind of fountain show at the end. But of course, they needed to fill time to make the

podium whole thing happen.

Yeah, because they have it. They don't have the podium by the... They want it in front

of the... Yeah, they want it on the track. So in front of, I guess, all the... The fancy hotel and

fountain and stuff. And of course, the hotel and the people that have paid the big bucks.

It's... Yeah, look, it's Vegas. I will actually say, right, I don't mind some of the Vegas stuff.

What I do mind is random celebrities interviewing at the end of the race being like,

you know, I've got to say, I'm just such a fan of what you guys do.

Like it just brings absolutely nothing to the broadcast.

You guys go so fast. It's crazy. Yeah. It's stuff like that. You're like,

oh, that's what ruins it. Whereas like, I don't mind the over-the-top silly stuff.

I really don't because it's different. And I liked it. I mean, we have had the best moment

ever in Formula One history when the announcer screamed Sergio Perez. I have watched that video

hundreds of times. And it's the way Perez reacts is the most Michael Scott moment ever.

Where do I go? It is my favorite clip of all time. I saw it resurface. I was like,

it brings me so much joy. But you do wonder with the Vegas stuff,

just going back to the Vegas stuff, like you do wonder how like...

This is what surprised me about Vegas is when they put it on, I thought,

okay, like two or three years, they put it on those payloads of money to have it,

10 years. Like, is it going to hit the same in like year five, year six, year seven?

Seems a bit, you know, it seems a lot to do it for 10 years. Like by year 10, what is it?

What's it going to be like?

2035.

I thought you were about to say something like,

professing Twitter. No, I was doing some mental maths.

So Tommy, theoretically, right? No, no, I just like seeing the hope in your eyes.

Okay. So, you know, say this happens, Lando still leading the championship,

nine points ahead of Oscar Piastri, 24, 24 ahead of Matt. Honestly, like I'm not even like

Lando deserves a sport championship and it would be very sad for him if he was to be disqualified

for something like fuel, which is literally nothing to do with him really. This is a team

blunder. And you know, this is an absolute fumble and a half by McLaren if they genuinely,

you know, this is all ifs of course, but you know, if they do, if they have made an error

here and Lando is disqualified, this is a generational fumble from McLaren.

But yeah, we just have to wait. I want to say actually on Lando, on the, where we mentioned

about like, where did the step and lose the World Drivers' Championship in Spain? One thing I wanted

to like bring out as well is like, you can say that about anyone in the World Championship,

like you can, you can, we've seen it in like years gone by. And equally with like Lando,

like had he not had the Zandvoort car failure, he's winning it, he's like basically won it

already. So like in the sprint. Exactly. There's so many situations where that's happened. So every

driver's had that up and downs basically. And it's only when someone doesn't win, you look back on

these moments and go, oh, if this had happened, if this had happened, but the Formula One World

Championship is won over a lot of races. So

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and insurance plan. Let's go to the biggest winner, driver or team.

It's Landon Norris until we find out. Because I generally think at the moment,

he's got one or being well with the investigation. It's a massive result for him to get P2 as well,

a track that wasn't favored by them. This could have been a race where it had swung

quite a lot. And actually, he's headed Piastri again, only lost a few points to Max,

and it's now looking very good. I don't know if I can give Landon the biggest winner here.

Carlos Sainz, I think, is an absolute shout. Phenomenal qualifying. Didn't get a penalty,

because Lance Stroll was like, don't worry about it, mate, we're all good.

And then finishing P7, which I think on pure pace was the best he could have done today.

Holkenberg deserves a shout as well. Up in ninth, scoring a couple of points and not really

getting any kind of plaudits it felt like. So I think for me, I'm going to give it to Carlos

Sainz because I think he's had a brilliant weekend again in that Williams.

Yeah, Carlos Sainz is a great shout actually. Underrated really. It's just been so good the

last few races. We're really seeing the Carlos Sainz now that we thought we'd see from the start.

Yeah, we love to see it for Carlos. What about Biggest Loser? Well, this one could be

fill in the blank, should things happen that we still don't know as of right now.

It feels like I'm doing a live stream, but it's a podcast. It's going to be so funny

people listening back to this in a few hours' time. Yeah, when nothing happened. I think

Sainz's teammate is a... Albon had an absolute stinker. Yeah, he really did.

And there wasn't just one thing, was it? It was about three or four things that Albon...

Yeah, and then if you include his crashing qualifying as well.

Yeah, I think Albon is 100% the biggest loser for this weekend.

Okay, let's now reflect on our predictions, shall we, that we made on Wednesday and see how we did.

Tommy is currently 51, 48 ahead, although this could also be updated. Oh, god.

Should things kick off, but not in my favor, I don't think, but let's see. No, it could be.

All right. Oh, yeah, to be fair. But then to be fair, your second place would then come in

as George would be. Anyway, let's go to good surprise first and foremost. Let's not spoil it.

I went for Lewis Hamilton. I mean, 20th qualified and then scored points. That is a great... That's

10 positions Hamilton has gained in the worst car on the grid. I am now hearing it's all chatter,

the Lando thing and it's absolute rubbish. So that is my latest update. So we will see on that one.

Yeah, it's making a big story out of nothing, maybe.

Yeah, so good. Anyway, good surprise, Hamilton.

No, Hamilton isn't. Definitely not. Hamilton as well. I think we just need to say about his race.

It was kind of like good and bad. He made an amazing start and you thought, okay,

Hamilton's got some serious pace here and then made kind of like no progress after his really good

start and actually dropped quite a lot of time to... Yeah, he did. Where did he end up in the

end? He finished a minute off the lead. He finished, yeah. He finished over a minute,

Gazi finished 91 seconds off the lead. So yeah, Gazi was mine. Terrible.

Big flop. I went for Lando Norris, which as of right now is not the case. As much as he started

on pole finish second, I'm not even going to try and get a quarter of a point for that one.

So no points. And I went for McLaren, so no points.

Oh, now I'm hearing that. Honestly, no, I can't, Tommy. This is great content though.

Pole position. I went for Charles Leclerc, because I don't want to talk about the predictions,

Tommy. This is more to the point. I just don't want to talk about it. Charles Leclerc pole

looked like it might well have been possible and dry. And then Vegas went, you know what,

I'm going to rain. Vegas and rain, that's standard, right?

Yeah, I'm going to rain in the desert and we're going to use wet tires.

Diculous. But thank you, wet tires. That's actually to be fair. That's the

shower biggest winner that is, the wet tires. But no, Charles Leclerc, not pole.

And I went for Max Verstappen, which was wrong, of course.

No, close, but no point. Third position. I went for Lewis Hamilton.

Good one, Matt. And I went for Landon Norris. No, not close enough. In second place,

I went for Max Verstappen. And I went for George Russell, which I was

on for these two at one point, Russell ahead of Norris. And I also thought,

when he was catching at the end, I was like, oh, this could be it.

But I did not happen. No. And in first position, I went for Charles Leclerc.

And by the way, before I get into any more of this, the quote of Charles Leclerc being

told he finished in P6. And then he literally just said the F bomb. That was it.

That's all he said. Let me check. Was it the F bomb or was it F this?

I think it was Leclerc P6. I feel like it came up somewhere. Let me look.

No, F that, he said. He just said F that. It's just, it's really sad.

He said afterwards, today I don't like to say it, but I gave everything.

All the laps felt like quality laps and I took a lot of risks.

We missed P5 by one tenth. That's frustrating. Maybe we could have done

something with the power unit. I don't know. But yeah, I mean, I have to laugh,

otherwise I'll cry. Yeah, I love that he was very, he might as well have gone.

I did everything I could, John Elkin. Yeah, literally.

The shortest statements possible as little talking.

I went for Kimmy Antonelli first, of course, did not happen.

That did not happen either. Right, my one crazy prediction.

No McLaren on the podium. Now, I will be absolutely on the podium.

No, no, I know. That's true, actually. I was going to say,

I was going to find a loophole of if Lando is disqualifying.

Oh, my fricking Lord. Both McLaren's referred to Stuart for skid wear issues.

What? What? What, what, what, what, what?

No, no, where are you seeing this?

Breaking news. Chris Medland, Luke Smith, Phil Horton,

all the journalists have just tweeted it.

Both McLaren's risk disqualification from the Vegas Grand Prix due to non-compliance of skid wear.

My heart is beating out my chest right now.

Oh, what the... Oh, my God.

Nah, what are we going to do?

We can't have a four-hour podcast waiting for this to come in.

Oh, my God. Do we, do we... What do we do?

What do we do? Because it's going to change the whole thing.

We're going to have to have another podcast later on. I can't go back to sleep.

Oh, my God.

Right, Tommy, let's just focus up for a second.

All right, we'll focus up. We'll finish the podcast and then we'll do another one.

We're going to have the Las Vegas Grand Prix review pre-disqualification

and post-disqualification if it happens.

Nah, if they've both been referred, this has to be a slam dunk.

Mate, this is like, this is China all over again.

Why have they put... I said, what did I say?

2007, why would they like go ham and push?

What the actual...

Wait, wait, wait a second.

What are you doing?

You're putting the... But, Daddy, I love him t-shirt on, aren't you?

Oh, my God.

The measured thickness of the Ramos skid was less than nine millimeters on both...

Oh, my God. Oh, my God.

Tommy.

What?

The measured thickness of the Ramos skid was less than nine millimeters on both cars.

That's usually a straight DSQ.

That's what Chris Messling just said.

OK, it's championship back on.

OK.

Brov.

Mate, I can't believe this.

OK, so... What we're going to do?

Right, thanks, guys, for listening to the podcast.

What should we... Do we pause this?

I don't know.

I don't know what to do.

I feel like people are going to want to have our reaction,

but they also probably want to listen to all of this.

Yeah, so we just do a...

Like, we're going to listen to all of this.

So we just do a three-hour bumper episode.

Yeah, we'll just do an additional one afterwards.

So, OK, let's just finish what we were doing,

because this could still take a while.

Right, let's get into our predictions.

Now that we know the result, we've already recorded this,

but then this was when we were having a meltdown.

And so now we actually know the result,

we can see what the predictions championship looks like

between myself and Tommy.

It's currently 51-48 to Tom Bellingham.

We now go to a good surprise,

where I went for Lewis Hamilton, who ended up eighth.

From qualifying 20th, we've got a live chat here.

I'm just...

Oh, no, I know it's the biggest stretch in the world.

That is the biggest stretch.

I'm going to call 4.0 Hamilton from 20th on the grid.

Hamilton becoming a driver, the first driver I've to qualify last.

Yeah, the amount of people spamming no.

I know, I know.

It's a joke, it's a joke.

Zero points.

I went for Pierre Gasly, who ended up...

Where did he end up in the end?

15th, but then 13th now with the qualifications.

I was hoping...

Good try mate, you thought you got a point.

Worth a shot.

That all has points though, so that's something.

A big flop.

So I went for Lando Norris, and I know some people will be like,

Oh, but he didn't flop, mate.

Like, he still finished second.

He got disqualified.

That is a point, but that's really annoying,

because we now go over to Tommy.

Who said McLaren?

And gets the double pointer.

And McLaren gets the double pointer.

So there we go.

That I've won, but at what cost?

It's basically me getting the big flop for Lando.

Pole position, that doesn't change.

I went for Charles Leclerc.

Sadly, he still didn't get pole position.

And I went for, thanks for stopping.

Which did not happen.

In third place, we need five more disqualifications

for this to happen.

Lewis Hamilton, it was my third place.

And my third place was Lando Norris.

Which was incorrect.

In second, I went for Max Verstappen, which was wrong.

And I went for George Russell, which is now correct.

As if you get another point for that as well.

We're so cooked.

And in first place, I went for Charles Leclerc,

which sadly did not happen.

We need another three disqualifications.

And I went for Kimmy Antonelli,

who of course did end up on the podium.

Which is mad.

He literally, 17th.

17th on the grid to third.

Antonelli is a double Merc podium.

So, speaking of, my one crazy prediction

was no McLaren on the podium.

That's come in.

Well, technically, he was never going to get it.

Don't you dare.

Well, I could not see this topic.

I know, we will, we will.

No McLaren on the podium.

They did not finish technically on the top three.

So I am getting a no McLaren,

even though Lando's still on the podium.

Oh my God.

Yeah.

And I said all McLaren picks up

under three seconds, which they did.

And then probably got disqualified.

But it doesn't matter.

I got the point.

You still get that point.

So I'll give you that.

Oh my God.

My Patriot prediction.

Sky Sara, rookie on the podium.

Antonelli coming in with the double DSQ down the inside.

Championship is well and truly back on.

Wow.

Colour Pinto finishes in the points.

So a few more disqualifications maybe,

but no, it's a no pointer.

Okay.

So actually, weirdly, that made

not a huge amount of difference

because you got, you banged two.

Four for you.

Yeah.

And I scored.

One, two, three, four.

Oh, so it's still three points.

That's fine.

I'll take that.

It was looking terrible after I back to Ferrari.

You've basically been Oscar Piazza in this situation

whereas I've been disqualified.

And you take the point.

Absolutely.

Okay.

Let's go to the family top three if we have to

because this is where it gets worse.

It's currently 10-9 to the boring Bellingham's.

So my dad went for third George Russell,

which was correct until McLaren decided

to wear their skid into the ground.

Wow.

My wife went for Charlotte Clair,

which he was two tenths off.

Two tenths off.

Wow.

Oh my God.

Your wife was two tenths away from a clean sweep.

A perfect prediction.

Absolutely crazy.

Wow.

I nearly swore because we're live streaming

but this is also the podcast.

In second place, I went for Max Verstappen.

No.

Oh no, I didn't.

My dad did.

Second, no.

Katie went for George Russell, which was correct.

Yeah, well done, Katie.

I hope you're having a bit of money.

And in first place, my dad went for Lando Norris.

And Katie went for Max Verstappen.

Oh, with three behind.

I can't believe that is good news though because

so if you missed it on the,

if you didn't join us for the live stream,

a little story that I told you,

Matt, which you found very amusing,

was that my wife didn't get out to watch the race.

But basically, yeah, I went in to get this t-shirt.

But daddy, I love Max Verstappen t-shirt.

And it's funny because I'm not going to spoil anything,

but I'm doing a live stream for like three hours

after the race because there's been some huge drama.

And I'm wearing this t-shirt.

I think she kind of already concluded

what might have been about to happen.

Yes.

I can't believe she has two tenths

from an absolutely perfect prediction.

Two tenths we could just dive from.

Especially when she was completely wrong,

apart from one, until a few minutes ago,

when everything was, oh, mad.

But well done, Katie,

considering how much she hates doing it.

Yeah, I was going to say,

she was actually going to like it

because I might have to ring her again

and get her predictions.

Yeah, I mean, to be fair, look, she scored two now.

So now Grace for the rest of the season now,

because I'm going to have to get Ellie to do like research,

like full blown deep dive into Qatar and Abu Dhabi

to try to score some points for the rest.

Ellie's going to be like doing the, yeah,

researching the McLaren plank issue

and whether it's going to cost them

and how much they're going to have to raise the ride height

and how much lap time it will cost them for Qatar.

That's how detailed it's going to be.

For sure.

So the last thing I want to do just before I forget

is sort of talk about actually who ended up where in the end.

So it's a max one.

George was second.

Kimmy Antonelli was third.

Charlotte Clair was fourth.

Carlos finished fifth in the end.

Hajar was sixth.

Holkenberg ends up in seventh.

Hamilton eighth.

And then Ocon ninth and Bearman tenth.

So yeah, absolute madness.

I can't believe this is the,

we've been waiting for so long to release this podcast.

But blame the FIA.

So that is it.

Apart from if you are a P1 Patreon

where we'll be carrying on for a few more questions

and probably just basically just melting and evaporating

for the next few minutes to talking about that

and everything else that's gone on.

But if you're just a normal listener,

then thank you so much for all the support.

As always, thank you to everybody that's watching live as well.

Big W's in the chat for you guys.

Tommy, final thoughts please.

Final thoughts are, I can't believe that's just happened.

And the level of hype, obviously like as a Formula One fan,

I'll always be there no matter what.

But the hype going into those final two races now

compared to like being like,

ah, the championship is a bit shame,

that it's a bit anticlimactic.

Of course, you never know how it's going to go,

but my God, the hype in Qatar is going to be insane.

It certainly is, even for Tommy maybe.

So let's see how that goes.

Thank you everybody once again.

And thank you for everyone that's been voting for us

for the Autosport Awards as well for Creator of the Year.

Really appreciate it.

And we will see you very soon.

Lots of love. Bye.

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