Leaks, Repairs & Retests

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out with Camera Chaos and AVB. Hey, guys, hope you

enjoyed your fourth of July weekend. Uh it was awesome.

We have. I had a good time, man. I spent

a lot of time. I got to see a lot

of cool cars, got to hang out with friends, got to listen to some great music.

Speaker 3: Uh.

Speaker 2: It really rounded out the weekend good. A lot of

cool cars out in the car show. You guys know

I love stopping in the car shows. Hanging out, kissing hands,

shaking babies or is it the other way around? You

guys know what I mean. But it was a good time.

It's really really nice to see when you run into friends you haven't seen in a while, you catch up with them. When it's the car culture and stuff. I

wish we had a couple of our cars done so we could dig in there enjoy them. There they were.

I got some pictures. I can chance to share them

with you yet, but I did get some more pictures of white noise and a couple of complications ran into it, and it looks like they got it squared away. If

everything goes all right, I'm gonna say this for like the hundred time, we should have it in our hands here in the next week or so, and then we can finish off with some of the things we know we need to do. It's got a couple of other things.

We made some decisions on it for those been asking.

We're gonna do a couple of other things that I think we really plan on kind of waiting on, but we're just gonna go ahead and do them. The target

is at this point in time that if we go with everything I want to do that, it should make it out to the October show, so keep an eye out for it, and you guys will see it. Good

news on the bad Am because keep on asking what's going on with that? I told you guys, we did

get the last couple of parts in. I just need

to find some time to get in there and get those parts on and see if they fit right. If

they do, the bad Am will finally back on its wheels, on all four wheels and be rolling again, which will be a huge milestone because it is a quick jump from rolling to set the motor back down into it and really starting to move forward on that. So fingers

crossed that ends up happening. But it's not what the

show is about. I'm going to start off the show

with a complete different topic something that came up. You

guys know, I tell you, I jump in a bunch of forums, have conversations, talk with people, garage owners, all kind of stuff. So the conversation this week that kind

of came around about was leaks. Rather it be an

oil leak, it be water leaks, whatever it is. And

that and when I'm not talking like rain water leaks, I'm talking like hose water pump whatever and stuff. And

the biggest problem that a lot of garages kind of fall into is let's say a customer brings the car in right and they're like, look, I got an oil leak.

I'm not really sure where it's coming from. Can you

guys check it out? And of course, you know if

any garage is going to jump right on for the most part, like sure, absolutely believe it or not. A

lot of garages hate leaks. I hated them when I

was in the business. I know a lot of owners

they hate them now. The biggest reason why is if

you've developed a leak in your car and you guys know that for the build cars and work on those of you listen to the show that do that. There's

a bunch of all the listen to the shows that do not do that. You guys, just take your car

to repair shop while I get done. Great, this is

probably more for you than anybody else. But if not,

and you work on and you have leaks and you're still chasing them, here's gonna be the reason why everything that's liquid in a car takes the path of least resistance and the reason why auto garage is in my celf will like even working on my own stuff. I

hate leaks is because really truly for me to fix most leaks, I'm not gonna say all leaks, but I'm gonna say most leaks is I might as well go ahead and just do it all. Whatever's in that area,

I might as well do it. If so, if I

have hose and it start to leak and it's by the water pump and stuff like that, I'm starting to see some moisture and I'm not sure. I am one

of those people that go I'm just gonna do it all.

I'm gonna do the water pump. I'm gonna go ahead

and do hoses on it. I'm gonna check everything. Why,

I just want it to be one time. I want

to do it one time. So do auto garages. Auto

garages a lot of times will work you up a bill based on the fact of what they've seen in the past, if that makes sense. So they're like, Okay,

been here before. I know if I just throw this

at it, most likely it's gonna come back. Why I

fix this sleek, but this over here is just as weak as what this was before it broke. So I

might as well go ahead and just do everything why I'm there, so I know the customer's not coming back. Well,

the biggest problem you run into in the automotive repair businesses customer a lot of times doesn't want to hear that.

They just want to fix what's particularly broken right that second.

And that's where your knowledge isn't valued in what you do.

As far as I'm concerned, if you own an autobarage, I don't feel the customer is valuing your knowledge into that.

So as a customer, if you're listening to the show, you think about that a little bit. It's very frustrating

to know I can go ahead and I can fix this, but chances are it's going to come back, and now it's something else can be leaking. Oil leaks are the worst.

I hated oil leaks. Biggest reason say remain seal leak

because I fix the remain seal before I know it.

I get the remain seal, I can take transmission down and get to the remain seal, and on the backside of the engine, I can see where there's an oil leak, what's coming like maybe from the ball comes and I couldn't see until start getting with out of the way, and I can see where things are leaking down, and now it's another call to the customer. And it's like,

now that I'm here and I can really see things, I can see where there's something leaking up from the top.

Rather it'd be an oil filter, housing starting to leak.

Other things, just things you couldn't really get your eyes.

And everybody goes, well, how'd you miss it? You're you're

not that good. I mean, you may believe you're that great.

And if you're that mechanic, hey, hey, terrific, good for you.

But I'm gonna tell youah, draw all these years of doing it, you're gonna find things that you didn't see.

You're going to go after an oil leak, and why you do messing with an oil leak. You're going to

see a cool on leak coming from somewhere, could be a freeze plug. Everything just happened to somebody. I know

that's the reason why it's stuck in my brain, But that happens a lot. I guess my question I posed

to you guys on this is how do you feel if you brought your car to a shop and you bring it Let's say we'll start with the simple A water leak and they find the hose. He's like, look,

I see it looks like there might be a little bit of sea bitch and surround the water pump and stuff like that. The best way to do this is,

let's go ahead and just do the all the hoses are on it. Let's go ahead and do the water pump,

even though you only found this over here leaking. What

do you think I'll start with you, Nathaniel.

Speaker 4: Well, you know me, I'm all about preventive maintenance, so I'm definitely going to work. You're right, I'm definitely gonna

go all away with you know, doing all the hoses.

You know, I see some people like, you know, only one bad spark plugs the only place one.

Speaker 2: When you should just do all of them. Same thing

with the coil.

Speaker 4: Packs, right, just because you're there and you know it is say, you know, beg's that question, you know, do you value time or money?

Speaker 2: And so knowledge or knowledge?

Speaker 4: But I think that all goes hand to hand when you're dealing with something like that because either you know, either the auto garage is going to be taken, all that labor, it's all the risks. Well you know all

the time too, right because some some garages will actually just charge you there was time you know they had to go back. I know not all garages like that,

but I'm just saying that as a customer, you have to kind of ask yourself the question of you know, what do you value value your time right or your money right, because you know, like you don't want to pay double the work back, have a car back and you know you're dropping it off so you know while you're there. I do think it's best in times just

to kind of go all out do as much preventive maintenance as you can if you can afford it, and so just to kind of save yourself the time and the money of the hassle and the hassle and yeah, just bringing it back and wasting more money on labor costs and you know, because they got to take everything back apart.

Speaker 2: And so it's a it's a big it's a rabbit hole when you when you get into it. It is

so one of the biggest things for me when I was doing auto repair regularly in business, so and even the garages that I set up to help fix or the years after I went into doing all that, I very much believe in firing a customer, I just do and I don't mean that in the wrong way. But

if I if you come to me, you brought your car to me for knowledge, right for what I know and what I can do. So when I tell you

this is how I believe we should do this to take care of your problem. And then you want to

do it the shortcut way. A lot of times I

fired the customer. I'm just like, I appreciate your business,

but I don't want to do it that way because it's not gonna be right. It's gonna come back. You're

going to be mad, and I'm going to be the only bad guy in this situation. Even though the no, no, no,

I don't care how much you document on a ticket that I suggest this to the customer and they decide not to do this, They're still coming back. I guarantee it.

And mister customer, this is listening to this show because, like I said, I got a lot of people that I've met over the years that you guys don't work on your guys car. You listen to the show because

it's informative. I have a great voice, and you guys

just whatever it is you guys listen. I'll fire you,

and I don't. I don't do it in a bad way.

I do it in a in a I just don't want to do the work because I'm going to make an enemy out of you. I'm going to do what

you asked me to do. It's going to come back.

You're going to be mad. And then either A I'm

fixing it for free, right because I want you to be happy. And you don't ever hear anybody talk good

about anybody in the grocery line. They only talk about

the bad experiences they had, you know, And then you have the you know, I'm going to re yelp review.

You don't make me push this button right here, you.

Speaker 5: Know what I mean?

Speaker 2: You got those that they they live everywhere. You have

all those type of people that you're dealing with, and so to keep that from happening. Look, first of all,

I mean, at first, one to tell if you don't have one or two bad reviews on your website and you're working on cars, you're not working on enough cars.

You're not going to make everybody happy. There's people that

are going to have bad things to say even when you tried to fix the situation. That's just reality.

Speaker 4: I do think that there's ways that you can approach it to when you know, like when you suggest to do you know, a big job or multiple things to prevent you know, further catasity. Wisely, I think it's really

good to explain it to the customer of why you suggest that. You know, some people just suggest parts, and

you know, I understand it as a customer review that you might be thinking that you're going to take an advantage.

Speaker 2: Of a time belt and do the water pump while you're there, and you're like, why am I doing that right exactly?

Speaker 4: But if you explain, you know, why you want to go down that route, I think sometimes the customer can kind of look from it so your point of view.

Speaker 2: When I was doing it right elarly and like I said, in the garages, I structure and help them get better at what they did. I did a tear method. Okay,

So if I if you brought your car to us and it had a leak, and I was chasing an oil leak, and I find your main oil leak, which is let's say I always go to remain seal because it just it have all the time. But I'm in

the remarks seat and then I see the back of the valve covers are starting to seep and stuff like that.

Of course I would do a tier. Here is what

I directly, especially when I knew money was going to be an issue. Like if you a lot of people,

you'd be surprised if you just listen to customers and people who bring your card to repair shop. Make sure

the person that you're talking with is actually listening to you and addressing your needs. It goes both ways. They'll

tell you really kind of where they are with things.

You know what I mean, Like you're going to a lot of times. Know if money's not all the time,

but if money is the main motivation of what you're working with. So I would tell everybody that worked for

me to tier it. Here's what we need to take

care of. Now we can take care of this. This

will get you up and get you going. I also

see X, Y, and Z. What I would like to

do is let's rest this and then maybe after you recover in a couple of months, I'll set you for an appointment for a couple months and you can bring it in and we can take care of this. And

if there's a third item, fourth on, we can just tear it back. Maybe I take care of these two

items in two months, maybe two months from there, I take care of these items. So we were working the

way to making sure everything. Now, can something break between

that time, one hundred percent, Guys, that can break, okay, but at least it's not if you don't have the money to take care of all those problems. We know

the main problem, We've addressed it, and we know what we need to work on in the future to keep your car going down the road safely. And as long

as you are open to that idea and you can work on that program, it's great because I know that when you go out the door, I feel like I've given you the best education of how to fix your problems and keep money. If money is the issue, keep

money structured, right, Okay. Now, there's some people that just

don't want to hear it, don't want to do it.

One of the biggest things always drove me nuts. I

haven't got to water yet. We're still dealing with it

with different leaks and stuff. But here's the thing. So

one of the things that would blow my mind is when Sunday came in for a ceb Axle, I got a broken ceb Axle. I used to always say, let's

just do them both, and they're like, well, the only ones broke. I'm like, okay, but they are, but the

other that one break right, but the other one has the same amount of time unless you you know, hit something and caused it. If it just failed, good chances is

the other one the boots starting to wear out. Everything

else like that, we might as well do it. Here's

what it is, and I'll tell you the reason. Why

did Everybody goes, oh, you're just trying to get over on me. No, I'm not. And if I fix your

cb axle and I know I've repaired what I found was broken on your car, and I put it together right, and then you go down the road and two days from now it starts to make a clicking noise. Where

are you at your back? And my shit is my job?

I tell me tell you what happens every time. Every

time you don't tell me. If you guys try to

telling me didn't happen to you, You've never done this.

You are lying. I brought my car into you and

you guys said it with ceb axle and fix it.

But I'm still hearing a clicking noise right, because the other one is clicking. This one was broken, this one's

starting to click. Well, you must have fixed the wrong one.

You must have the axle on the wrong side. You

should have fixed this one because this is the one that's making a noise. If you think that doesn't happen,

happens all the time. You either own garages or garages.

You guys know happens all the time. No different hub bearings.

So if I did a hub assembly on one side of a car, I usually want to do both. Why

they have equal amount of mileages on. It's like telling

me to put one tire on a car. Just throw

one tire. If you work in auto garage and you're

throwing one tire on a car, just retire, retire, stop, go do something else, sell real estate. I don't care

what it is, but don't put one tire on a car.

It is one of the worst things you can do to somebody's car. Why there's circumbers of the tire are different.

And if it's a front wheel drive, you're wearing out that transmission quick rather you think you are not. It

means one tire's big, one tire smaller. Because of this

morn and now the clutches have to spind and keep on keeping up with each other, and you're just tearing that transmission up. That's the reason why when you put a

spare tire on the front of a front wheel drive car, the transmission blows out if you drive around with it for too long. If you didn't know it, now you do.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to Let's Talk Cars Radio, your automotive specialist.

Now back to your host, Dave Palach, Hey, ye.

Speaker 2: As, welcome back. So before we went to commercial break,

we were talking about leaks and car repairs and stuff like that. Like I said, the biggest reason why leaks

always seem to come up a conversation and like I said it did in forums this week. Is because generally

the auto garage is trying to take care of the customer.

The customer do it first of all, before you all send me, because I already know how this works, before you send me a bunch of hate mail of oh, I know this auto garage and trying to rake me over the colls and sort of granted, I get it.

I know they're out there. Let's pretend like they're not.

But in general, okay, the chances that a car only has one oil week on it somewhere, especially the car's got a little bit of age on it, it's probably going to be splended done. I mean, I can tell

you right now. Like I just had a conversational buddy

called me. He's like, Hey, I'm gonting ready buy a car.

He's like, can I bring it over and let you just kind of look everything over on it before I decide to buy it. And you know, because we got

the lift in the megaage and stuff like that, I'm like, yeah, I said, I you know, I got the trans on the Mega on the lift. I was like, but one

way to that we can look it over it, you know, we can go through everything, take a look at He's like, oh, I appreciate it, so but I told him. I was like,

just so you understand, I can look any car over, for the most part and find things wrong with it.

I mean, if I look card up, I'm gonna find things that go well if it was me and I was gonna buy a car and probably would like disrepair rather, it's breaks, the rotors are warped, tires are starting to get a little warm. I see a tear in an

axle boot. I see a little seepish from the rear end,

a little seepish from valve cover. I mean, I look,

I can find things. I'm not saying it's all detrimental,

but if you take the time to bring your car to repair shop and go I think I had these issues, and then they take the time to look at everything for you and go, here's what I found, and you go, oh, thanks.

I don't do anyth of that.

Speaker 4: Right, They're kind of point kind of giving me the Grand Toll rule of what everything is wrong with that card.

Speaker 2: To departmentalize everything right apart. But I do feel like

sometimes that can hurt you as well, especially if you can't give a customer an estimate and ahead of time, because when the customer can well, I know, but some you know, some people can't.

Speaker 4: You know, Okay, explain to me, what do you mean like they can't? They can everybody's yeah, I know, but

like you said, like you can't. You can't always estimate

what everything is going to go wrong.

Speaker 3: You.

Speaker 4: The customers sometimes feels betrayed when you know, if something else breaks or something cost you expected.

Speaker 2: You learn into your short time. That's what I'm saying.

So I go to pull this off and this breaks, and I was you know, it'd rather be like say, it's a nipple to where the hose goes through whatever, and it was brittle. I didn't I didn't want him

to break because like you know, it does. And now

it's like, okay, does the customer pay for that? Do

I pay for that? You know, Here's the thing. I

tend to foresee a lot of that when I was in the business. I'm like, if I'm getting ready to

pull the hoses up, just so you know, there's a good chance if the hose is starting to get kind of worn out, so does everything that attaches too. I'm

going to try to take it apart to the best my ability not breaking anything. But here's what I would

probably do. Ie, replace this, replace that. That's biggest reason

I always use as an example. That's why we do

the whole timing belt, water pump, all the pooleys, the tensioners.

You could probably not get away with not doing all those.

Speaker 8: I know.

Speaker 2: I I've watched people do it, and I shake mind.

I'm just going to do the time belt. I'm not

putting tensions or anything in it. And I'm like, why

why you're right there? Why why are you not going

to do everything? First of all, Now, before guys, you

didn't buy it in a kit. Used to buy a

lot of stuff Ala car. Now it comes as a

whole kid, a complete kid, has everything in it. But

that wasn't the case back in the day. Okay, you

bought most of the stuff ala car for a lot of cars.

There were some cars had kids, but most of that stuff you bought it all separately. I wouldn't sell it

that way. If you brought your car to me and

you asked me to do a timing belt, and I know all this stuff I have to move to get to it. Guess what if it's a gasket, anything like that,

and it's not part it was getting it or I wasn't touching it. I wasn't doing it because I'm going

to do it eventually anyway, except I was going to do it on my dime when you come back and complain.

And that's why I said for free.

Speaker 4: It's great to sometimes give a low estimate and a high estimate so the customer can make their own decision on.

Speaker 2: Something like that. You shouldn't and there's one estimate this

is to do it right or I'm not you know what I mean, I understand that what I'm talking about that low of you know, if if everything goes right, and high if everything goes wrong, because therefore when the what if you're talking about the what is and therefore.

Speaker 4: That you know the customer can because sometimes that's that's my way of always say why I used to go like worst case scenario right, But I'm just saying some garages might not do that, and I'm saying that's probably the best course to do it, because you know, a customer can probably have foord you know, maybe a three hundred dollars part four hundred dollars, but you know they're not expecting maybe one thy twelve hundred dollars worth of.

Speaker 2: Here's the thing, like you know, we should, you should because nowadays you try to get out of a repair shop for under one thousand dollars. Nowadays, I don't care

really what you have done. For the most part, parts

are expensive. Labor time has gone up, the average national

average right this second is what it's two hundred and ten dollars now is what they're trying to move labor time an hour to hour when most there's a lot of people I know they're still charging one in the one fifties at the National Avenue charging two fifties, right, I mean like there's it should have went up a long time ago and it didn'. Everybody's like, well, I

don't understand doing the same work. The cost of living

has gone up on everything, the cost of parts, the time, everything that goes into that. Like, well that guy's still

cost to say, no, they don't. They gave a pay raise.

They gave a pay raise ten years ago and they were still charging you one fifty or one forty nine or whatever it is. And but ten years ago they

are paying ACKX and now they're paying them here. But

you didn't feel it as as a you know, as the customer. I don't like it, Guys, I'm not going

to tell you that. I you know, I'm I'm bathing

it and going I think it's great. We got to

pay all this extra money. No, that's not the case.

I mean, it sucks, but I get it. I get it.

After being in the business for so long and having all the responsibilities of running you successful repair shops, I got it. If you have a very great repair shop

that you do work with, understand you appreciate ate that garage, probably because of the fact of the people they employ and they have looked to try to get the best guys.

You wouldn't be going back there. If you constantly go

back and then you've had all these kinds of problems, you probably won't go back there again, right unless now there's a cave after that there is. People make mistakes.

Things don't always go It's how they handle it when there is a mistake, though, and that's usually what keeps people coming back. If you got working on your car

and something went bad and you didn't like it and they told you to kiss off, you won't go back there.

But if you go you know what, I had a problem.

You guys do the work and they go, not a problem, drop it off for me. Let me go ahead and

get a look at it. We'll get it squared away

for you. And then you come pick it up and

you don't have a bill, and they honored all the work they did. You're gonna go back to them, and

you should because like I said, nobody's perfect. Nobody's perfect.

It should be practicing automotives just like it's practicing medicine.

We should be practicing automotives because doctors aren't perfect, and you got to pay them to do it twice. But

you go to a car repair shop and they miss up one little thing in your car and they missed something, they didn't get it right, and you want all your money back. I don't understand.

Speaker 4: That's why you know, giving a good price range because like you know how we talk to some people about you know, you know how many miles you got on the car. Is it really worth you putting all that

money send them to the car or is it just better for you to go find something newer for yourself.

Speaker 2: Well, the biggest problem is when you get a used car.

You guys, heard me say this, a thousand times you can listen to the show. It's almost like repetitiveness because

it always circles back around. You buy something used to

expect to put money into it to make it roadworthy.

Nobody's selling you a car that they've done every single maintenance item too to make it ready for you to now own. They're getting rid of it because they don't

want to put any more money into it. Even it

could be little things, or maybe they just decided they want a new car. But I guarantee they're not bringing

that car up to spec to sell it to you. Rather,

it's tires, breaks, rotors, ac doesn't work right, needs belts, needs hoses, needs police, you name it in certain needs part here, just go ahead and stable that right onto your forehead with a piece of paper. I'll use the

staple er. And just know that nobody's handing you a

car that's had every single thing done to it, and if they are, you're paying for it. There's gonna be

money you're still gonna find. You're gonna it is. I

tell everybody tack twelve hundred to twenty five hundred dollars onto any car you buy. I don't care what price

you pay. For it, and it's gonna need that much

about of work, Why you tell me where you can go in and get a break job nowadays? A true

break job. I don't need you keyboard warriors, a true

break job that's done right, pads, you've done. Roadors because

and no, not your car needs rotors nowadays kind of they're starting to get a point where they warped because they're made out of junk, the Chinese rotors, and they're horrible.

If you're a heart breaker, right right, absolutely, so you might as well just quit and put on. But I

remember we used to turn roaders. I come from the

turning turning roadors like error. We turn them because they're

made so much better. You could turn them and you

get life out of them. They're made like junk. Now literally,

I've I know people have put brand new roaders on a car and when one week they had one hard breaking situation where someone started out front, they slam on the brakes and now the car has a whoop when they hit when they hit it, and they're like, man, I just put these on. They're done because they're junk

out of the box.

Speaker 4: And I will say that you know that's where it comes.

You know, research really comes in handy and knowing what you know is that because you know, some people do lean towards cheaper parts and that can cost you in the long run if you just would about you know, the high premium value there is.

Speaker 2: But even the high premium value nowadays, some of it's even jumped too. Now. If you go ahead and you

buy quality nap up parts, one of our sponsors, hey, you you know, you probably get some pretty good stuff, but you got to remember they also buy stuff from other people as well. It's not everything's always in their

product now. They do, I think, a better job than

a lot of different people do feeling things out. I

know people that will only put dealer items on the cart.

Doesn't matter what it is you get breaks So like I want the pads come from the dealer. I want

the rotors come from dealer. Okay, you're gonna pay for it,

but I'm gonna do what you ask me to do.

There is great aftermarket equipment out there. You just have

to know what it is you're getting. If you constantly

go I want the cheapest rotors and the cheapest break pads, well that's exactly what you're gonna get in probably six months from now, you're gonna go. Man, I probably should

have spent that other thirty dollars here or that extra thirty dollars there. Yeah, you should have. But you I

get it. Money's tight. Look, I it was a time

in my life where I can literally remember taking the pads off, scuffing them up and scuffing everything and throwing them back on, getting more like about it because I just didn't have the money. It can be done, So

I get it money's tight. But if you are taking

the time to bring me your car to have it fixed, and you want it fixed right, listen to what people are telling you. You're bringing it to a professional, and

I'm once again, don't keep worrying me. There's people out

there that don't have your best answer there just trying to get a dime out of you. But most likely,

if you've done what I've told you to do, and you've introduced yourself to aut of Garage before you needed them, and you decide you liked them and what they had to say, you've already have an established out of garage you trust, and you shouldn't be worrying about this. You

should take your car to it and know they tell you it needs something that needs it, and then you decide if you want to do it. Well, and I

will say it's not cheap, and.

Speaker 4: I will say information is so ready to be available that you can use what they tell you and you can do your own research to navigate.

Speaker 2: A thousand times a thousand times over. Just do a

little bit of research. Educate yourself just a little bit

before you make purchases when it comes to car repair, just kind of know what it is you're getting into which you're replacing. But here's the thing for you guys

that punch things into Google, right, and I Google too.

Don't get wrong, I'm not chastising you, but it's it's not accurate. You punch in what should an average break

repair cost? And it pops up as like, well average

breakpairs one hundred and fifty dollars to two hundred fifty dollars where where I mean, you barely covered the labor.

You haven't bunny parts yet. But that's Google will start

telling you stupid stuff like that. And then you go

into the repair shop, Well Google says, well guess what Google says? Whatever's been programmed it with somebody typed into

it over and over again, and then it repeats it and spits it back out.

Speaker 4: It doesn't mean it's right, yeah, but I will Hey, so so I just I just typed it in right to see count when it spit out and and it.

Speaker 2: Is what I was that close? No, I mean kind

of yes, yes and no.

Speaker 4: But I feel like sometimes what the price tag comes with it is that they're not they're including non labor like you do it yourself, people and professional.

Speaker 2: I do agree that they don't yet yet because it does say two fifty eight hundreds. I know it does

hold that thought. Guys, we'll have some a little bit

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Speaker 2: All right, guys, back to the debate. So we're talking

about car repair and leaks, leaks and all the different things that goes into it, and it spiled into its own, you know, entity of conversation. Here's the deal with my

You've been off awful quiet there, buddy, by the way, So the reason why I've been here.

Speaker 5: So I'm the worst person to take my car to a repair shop because, like Nate said, do research.

Speaker 2: I do research, and.

Speaker 8: Then I go, yeah, I'm just gonna drop it off at a repair shop, and then add it.

Speaker 2: He goes, I'm drop it off, Dad's out and then question everything he does.

Speaker 5: Okay, I do. I do do that sometimes. But I

do also take it to a bunch of my repair shops and I'll go just do it. I don't even

care about the price. I just don't want to work

on it. Because you guys ask in the beginning, it's time.

Speaker 2: My dad just did my break job and stuff. Can

you look it over and make sure he did it right for me?

Speaker 8: We're still talking about Yes, I'm still talking about us.

You guys asked in the beginning, do you value time or do you value money?

Speaker 2: I value both. I value both because I only want

to do.

Speaker 5: It one time. You're right, my time is a little

bit more important to me because I can I can make that money back with my time probably about half of the time that it would have tooken me to taken took me, taken me to be a to actually do this.

Speaker 8: So you know, I mean, I just drop it off and then like I do, I do do my research, but I add about two hundred and three hundred dollars to what the price says, because I know the hardware.

Speaker 2: Cameron will tell you if you bring me your break job to do, and you're like, hey, I need a break job, you think you can help me out, knock it out. I can't. I don't have time to take

to their pair shop, which is usually how that ends up happening for Cameron. That's how I end up doing

the work on it, or Cameron suckers me and goes, I'll come help you, and I'm like, okay, why don't you come over, And then before I know it, Cameron's over in a corner doing something and I'm doing the whole job and.

Speaker 5: He's like, I'm usually doing something for a year. So that's.

Speaker 2: But he will tell you that if you need, if you bring everything to me to do a break job, you better bring me everything. I want the hardware, a kid,

I want the roaders, I want the kids. I might

even ask you for new pins and new get all the little rubbers. I want everything, because I just I

was much you guys, I do everything on I was what I was talking to do, and every He's like, well, you probably could have got life out of the roaders.

I'm like, but the cost of rotors nowadays I've got They're not super expensive, pending on what you drive, But even on my on my big truck, they weren't super expensive on it. I'm throwing rotors on path stuff on

it and I'm not gonna worry about it. For look,

usually a couple of years I've met a couple of years.

Speaker 5: I know, I know my price for Dave's repair shot.

It's called two cans of break cleaner, and he'll do it for you.

Speaker 2: That's the rule in our house. If you if you

get anything done in the Mega garage or you want work done in the megroate, you want to use my garage or anything, there is a toll. I have a

little troll that lies underneath the bridge that collects from you.

And you got to bring two cans of break clean And it can't be the two cans of break clean that you plan on using on your car. If you

need to use it, you got to bring your two and you got to bring me to that go inside the cabinet for next time. It's a small price to pay.

I think it's pretty good. Also, if you come out

and you want to wash your car out at the megarage, and you want to use the pressure washer and all the great stuff and the steamers and everything we have.

You got to bring some type of cleaners with you that you leave behind it now mine when you get done.

I think that's a small toll to pay. I mean

it's very small worked. I mean, I mean there's a

bunch of people bring me that I would never use in my car.

Speaker 5: I will take my car to one of our shops and say, hey, he did the brakes.

Speaker 2: You know that was my car the other day work.

Speaker 5: Can you do a double check everything we're supposed to find out about that?

Speaker 2: No, they call me. It's happened twice and they called

me both times. They're like, you know what, you know

what Cameron said, he wants his double check your work?

Yeah at all? Thing like No, No, because one of

one was the breaks. Another one was when I did

I think that when I did the balcom basket and stuff like that. I did all that.

Speaker 4: Even even so though both those only go on one way, you can mess it up.

Speaker 2: We're talking earlier. Hey I got I got, I got

a misfire. Can you just put one plug in it

no serve, No sir, I can't, and no I won't.

Speaker 5: When you guys were talking about that, I did to my search. I found out the partner company that makes

the dealership part and I did buy all my Coreo packs and I put in all my Coreo PACs myself.

Speaker 2: But because I told you we were only doing it one way, we do it one way.

Speaker 5: And I was even smart enough where if you remember correctly, the harness piece break correct and they don't. They do

not sell that little connector piece. They all buy just

don't know where to get it from, but they do.

Speaker 2: I went to most people don't age person has no idea where.

Speaker 5: I went to the junkyard and I dissembled all the connector pieces and took the and I repinned it. That's

probably as much as I'm.

Speaker 9: Gonna gets everything else there here you go.

Speaker 2: Can you put this on for me? Because that's what happened.

It was when we did valve cover gasket. Well, I

think we did what water pump on a bunch of all the different stuff.

Speaker 5: I had my good friend Mark do the timing chain for me and water pump at the same time. Because

I was told to do it at the same time.

So I bought all the parts, but all the stuff that you.

Speaker 2: Made me do. First he came. He came with everything

in a bag and he's like, everything in this bag?

Can you put it on the car police? Can you

do it? Or it's just gonna say no no right

with that, you remember all you remember because what happened was is we bought him all the parts for a gift for someone was his birthday or so, I'm like it was something. We bought it all. We bought everything

because he's like, I just kind of want to go and refresh my car and put all this stuff on.

I was like, talk about radio because I'm talking about the radio. Yeah no, no, I haven't got that far yet.

Camera's bad of that too, So smally I.

Speaker 5: Was going to do that for me. I'm going to

have him do it.

Speaker 2: No, what ended up happening was he we got him all these parts because he's like, I want to go through my car and sat refresh everything. So we bought

him every single At least I was good enough to know that, and then they just sat in the car forever and finally I was like, dude, are you ever going to put you wanted all the stuff we bought it for you, Are you ever gonna put on yama?

Get around it? Don't get around. Finally I got tired

of seeing I was like, just just bring the car and bring all the parts. And he just had me

a bag with all the stuff. By the way, that

Nathaniel and I bought for him is gift and it was all still in the bag, like almost a year later.

And if that's finally finally went on the car, now jump forward. Cameron's like, you know, I want to put

a nice stereo system in this car and stuff. So

Nathaniel and I get together for another gift idea and we partner up. He has what he has an AMP, speakers, tweakers,

tweet there's no no, no tweakers, no tweeting tweakers. He's

got tweakers, tweeters. He's got it all. Yet it still

sits in boxes. It has not been installed the car.

I told him in the car.

Speaker 5: It's just.

Speaker 2: I was like, by time you put it in, we might as well just put it in a different car.

Might just go ahead.

Speaker 4: And a lot of times that can't happen because the part is associated with that type of car.

Speaker 2: Unless you.

Speaker 5: And I have thought about buying another two thousand and six Acroatella. He and I can't.

Speaker 2: He likes his achrate. There's a great car. Look, Cameron,

go out buy a new car. Want don't you like

Nathaniel did he easily?

Speaker 5: Could?

Speaker 2: You can afford to pay for it. It's just some

people like you drive everybody else's car to me. To me,

it's almost not worthyre But it's like Dave, you know, I thought you had botch yourself a new truck, but now I'm like, why, it's paid for it, It runs great, it's got little minds want to look. The difference is

that yours is pretty pristine, it being a fifteen twenty sixteen, and so Cameron's and six that has seen better day.

It didn't.

Speaker 9: When we bought it for me, it was you. We

got it for me, and then camera drove it. I

did not break the dashboard. That was not the dashboard.

It was your shop that was not in our sponsored list.

And I did not have a choice to take it to there. It was my insurance company that sent it

there and they broke the down.

Speaker 2: But we're not yet, We're not. I still say you

should put you foot down right.

Speaker 4: And we're not Look, we're not blaming you for it the damages that have occurred.

Speaker 2: We're blaming you for not taking care of the damages that, like, like the small debt in the door and then got not it wasn't it was you literally right, Okay, what's y'all know this easy question? If Dad gets a what

on his vehicle? What has to happen to that vehicle?

Was Okay, if it gets a dent, it has to be what junk yard. I'm like, just send to the

junk yard. It's God, Dad, don't want to driving no more?

Wait a minute, still, driver, it's just a day yep, ye, nope, it's it. Don't want to no more? New door, Yeah not,

I only want a door. I just want a truck.

It's the joke in our house and I all the time, I'm like, if it gets a dent, it gets anything.

Speaker 5: I want photos. He was sending me photos of new

doors too. He's like, just go get this door. Three

doors door, And I'm like coloring it. I'm a procrastinator

and procrastinator. Okay, so I found look it, I found

it pristine. He loves I know, he loves his accurate.

I found a pristine accurate and what I mean pristine.

That car was immaculate. All we would have to do

is pull the.

Speaker 2: Motor out and moved over to that car and drop and I was like, let's do it. We'll do it

in the weekend, I said. But the guy wanted nothing

for the body because he he bought it, I guess to get the motor out of it and the trans mission out of it. We got a good motor.

Speaker 5: And message him though, and he never replied back. But

I probably messaged him way too.

Speaker 2: Way too late.

Speaker 5: It was way too months after around him. And it

was a good price. It was fifteen hundred no, no,

like five hundred bucks.

Speaker 2: Started a fifteen hundred and he dropped it down like five hundred because he just wanted out of his driveway.

And when I mean pristine, guys, the paint was immaculate, the interior was immaculate. That guy bought a really nice

car just for whatever he wanted the motor and transmission out for a project. He was doing something completely different.

It was a nice car.

Speaker 5: Mo Honda accord to I do miss Mo Honda accord that no, no, so.

Speaker 2: Okay, So both cars so give you guys reference. His

han Acord was a little old man driven one owner car.

Speaker 4: The guy was the only on your car is now just thinking about all your cars.

Speaker 5: A van ran a stop sign in the middle of the rain.

Speaker 2: It did, and then it happened. That's true.

Speaker 5: It was nothing that I could do to see it.

Speaker 2: But it was was pristine when he got it. It

was owned by the guy wasn't old old, but he was getting up there in age, and he was the original owner. And it came with a stack, this thick

of receipts. Everything was ever done to the car. And

then Cameron owned it.

Speaker 8: And I would say, look what happened, Nor what happened?

And my car went on a tunnel, destroyed the car? Okay,

Camera's way telling stories. What happened was is we were leaving.

That's when our studio and we were doing the radio show out of downtown Norfolk. And camera go, do you

think you think I ought to go that way? I said,

not unless you want that car to float. I would

not go that way, okay, Dad? And he did get

and he goes to.

Speaker 2: Get gas and he has to go right up to where I tell him not to go. Now he could

have turned around, went back the opposite. But he looks,

He goes, I think I can make it. It did

not look he did not make it. That's Cameron's way

of telling stories, guys, Just so you know, he alters the best parts. What he can't alter is this commercial break.

I got to take another one. We got one more

second before he holds tight. I'll be right back.

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Speaker 2: Hey, guys, welcome back commercial break. We're talking about all

Cameron's misdeeds with cars, and it's a long list, but I will say those two long long it's a long list.

It is a lot of only three. We didn't even

get into the whole z car. I mean, like, and

I'll look, it would take a whole episode to talk about it. We'll take a whole episode to talk about

is Zoey the car he had to have that different You're doing preventive maintenance, but it was maintenance just to keep the things on the road. Yeah, no, no, you

were doing correctively it guys, you don't know. This is

broke and it's the only way that Carl keep on going down the road. That's what he was doing the

whole time. Trust me. I had a four thousand dollars

transmission investment in that car, uh, two months after he bought it, because tis like every month. But yeah, yeah,

this car keeps on eating up tires. I cannot figure

out why I can't consider it. I think it's a

Casper and canber on it is making the tires eat up. No,

it's a loose not behind the wheel. And why we're

on that subject, I will trans that into the next conversation, which is, you guys see driving your first car. Right,

they're talking about changing a lot of the laws and stuff like that. I'm completely for it, just so you'll

never heard about. That's actual raising two fucking kids now

three that are driving. And let me just tell you

it's a nightmare.

Speaker 5: We had tour cars.

Speaker 2: Now now it's going to be there. They want to

move a lot of stuff in states. Hold on, in states,

they want to run it mandatory that you have to do like a long session of like uh, not just regular drivers that, but a longer session of drivers are like you have to take it.

Speaker 4: I'm all for that, like aggressive, aggressive correction, defensive driving, I mean, you know, you name it. I do one

agree with that, just because there's maniacs on the road.

There is, and there's some people that just don't know how to handle that.

Speaker 2: Okay, so this is gonna make me very unpopular. It's

just gonna make me very very unpopular.

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Speaker 2: I believe at some point in time seniors should have to go back through it too. I agree to I

know that that is gonna it's gonna ruffle feathers, but.

Speaker 5: Canceled.

Speaker 2: But Fred, don't take it the wrong way, buddy. But

here's a good example.

Speaker 5: I think Fred could drive though he's talking about.

Speaker 2: I just think at a certain age there should be some type of refresher course. I think before you drive

as as a teenager, it needs to be a long course, and there needs to be something other than just going and taking the tests and I pass it and that grade license you get on the road. I just don't

think you guys are ready. I even said.

Speaker 4: I even said it, and it's not really car related, but I even said, like when people get cell phones, there should be a.

Speaker 2: A or just new technology comes down, there just should be there should be a test to be able to use your cell phone.

Speaker 4: You can't have it right well, because it's the same thing, right like car, everything just progressive and time and everything gets newer. So look, if you got to read the

manual to know how to work your TV and stuff, you should have to go through another or for like the new TV, you should have to do something use a brand new car, because it's just there's different buttons, everything works a little differently. It's not like it's not

all analog anymore. There's a lot that goes to it.

Speaker 5: Maybe we need to bring it's what you're saying.

Speaker 2: Just slapping a sticker on the back of the car and going student driver isn't cutting it anymore.

Speaker 5: Your parents.

Speaker 2: I didn't do that to you guys, but that was my age. That was like they think that was funny.

They put a little sticker on the back of car, let people know behind you that you're you're a new driver driver. I'm like, it was so lame, but we.

Speaker 5: Should put a baby on board sticker.

Speaker 4: Look, I'm not saying you should have to go to the d V, but I think if you're buying, like said car from a dealership instead, there should be like a nice little video like it's drivers and video, like you know, all the new things.

Speaker 2: That's a new job career. What do you do for

Why work in the dealership and you know my job is to teach people how to use their car pro those.

Speaker 5: Like safety videos that you do when you go as you when you go when you go go karting. He

wants one of those videos, right, Like this is the cast.

Speaker 2: Won't help most people. I'm just gonna let you know.

You can't get people to use turn signals. There's nuts.

I use turn signals, probably more than I should, but at least you always know where I'm going, Like I'll still first, but I know where I'm going.

Speaker 5: As much as technology has advanced into cars, I still feel like we can make turns to signals automatic. They can't.

You and I have had this feel like it could be automatic.

Speaker 2: Was well, if you turn your eye and you look at that direction, the turning about a conversation the person and it looked like I'm a little special.

Speaker 5: Or something turning the wheel and the car realizes you're going across a white line.

Speaker 2: Okay, why does signal? I don't because why means if

I just moved out of the way to avoid.

Speaker 4: Something, nothings that I'm going left, but really or it's like it doesn't know if you're going left or right, So then just looks like your flashers on the all the time.

Speaker 2: At least your cautionary right. Why we just get used

to using the turn signals. I think that's just a

better idea. I wish it was voice activated. That's one

thing voice activated. I don't know. Maybe I like technology

that does a back of a foot like it comes on like you know, and just it comes on.

Speaker 5: I turn right now, watch out, everybody, I mean.

Speaker 2: Tom Tom. Remember the Tom Tom commercial Tom Tom where

it was Dave Dave he was. I used to love

it because if you never saw the old Tom Tom commercials, and that was for your little you know, personal direction thing.

I think they still make when everybody and everybody had their own little pop on GPS as a Tom Tom.

They had the guy named Dave sit in the seat like Dave Dave, Where do I go? Dave, Dave? Do

I take a left here? Dave Dave? And it was

like it's not Dave Dave, It's Tom Tom. And that's

how the commercial ended. That was a funny commercial I got.

I still remember it. How many years that had to

be over ten years ago. Commercials there is good commercial ideas.

They hit hard if they're done right. There's one that

I remember has nothing with the cars, just so you guys know, if you guys remember, uh, I want to say it came out during Christmas time and the guy kept trying to dial I think home for Christmas or something and the other person on the other and the phone was like in some countries like and they like you realize he was calling some foreign countrary time, and it was like it was some weird comer. I don't

know who it was for. It might have been for like,

uh maybe, like I think the time it was popular.

I was probably in the Illinois area maybe at that time, So maybe it was something that was like a commercial like the ditch your Yellow Book. No, I don't know

what it was, but I talk Only one person ever remembers that commercial. I've talked to and I don't remember

who was for, And they didn't remember who it was for, too, but they remember the commercial. It's almost like I think

it came on right along the time when you know they still play the one where they light up the palm tree. You know at Christmas time they're like in

the little shack and there's the one little palm tree and it lights up with Christmas lights and it's like, you know, have a merry Christmas. Whatever played right around

at the same time that commercial was playing all the time.

So I'm trust you and I know why you're looking at it. I don't have two heads. If you all

can tell me why that commerial, Like, I know it has nothing with Carson. You know what I did see

totally forgot. Somebody sent to me, uh I know random so.

Speaker 5: Squirrels like christ and Peter Grittman when you have eighty eight.

Speaker 2: Somebody sent me and it was cool because I totally forgot about it. Do you Does anybody remember when Michael

Jordan did the commercial for the Iraq Kamaro and he's like I think he says like I rock the backboard, you know what I mean, And he's talking about you know, he kept on using the term like irock, but it had to do with any Then it flashed. I think

the car was red. It was red Z twenty eight

irock chimerical about the same guys V so you can fit in it. No, no, no, that's not No, that's not

Michael Jordan's No you didn't know. Oh shit. I think

ship Check cut a bunch of his cars that Michael Jordan.

Don't think you ever caught one of I think he did about Michael Jackson, but they got him like you know, slam dunkin balls and stuff. And then it goes to

the Chevy commercial. I totally forgot that commercial existed, uh

until somebody reminded me. So thanks remind me that commercial

because I I mean it comes out of the eighties or I mean that's probably late eighties as well my time.

But no, I mean people send me old commercials all the time, like I forever, and it probably skips them.

But you guys, they like a rock commercial. I still

think it was one of the most cleverest commercials ever for Chevy. Yeah, they sung the song like rock it was.

I think it's actually a country song that they modified to be. Somebody tell me, did you.

Speaker 5: Remember I got what tornadoes under the hood commercial they bought that guy?

Speaker 2: I think if I thought I read the Chevy bottom of truck after so many but the lack of rock Chevy commercial, the sing along I don't know, the American flag, all that kind of stuff, it just made you want to like.

Speaker 5: It got your right yeah right here, yeah right there? Yeah,

and make sure another commercial not car related. The one

that I still remember that actually like kept my heart, you know, is the horse one where the dog runs away.

Speaker 2: Some of the best commercials ever. I remember a lot

of car commercials being a car guy, but that one I remember that was that is a great one. They

did a couple different parodies.

Speaker 5: And car commercials and videos like, I don't know, we ran car commercials, you remember, No, I mean I got at cool.

Speaker 4: I mean I was when you said bow Wiser. I

was thinking of the new one they made with the comedian and post Malone, and.

Speaker 2: He's like, he's right, the cooler.

Speaker 5: The car commercial I still remember is the Rats where they.

Speaker 2: Were talking about ham Somebody literally was just having that conversation with me the other day.

Speaker 5: That car sold, Okay, I mean.

Speaker 2: It did for a short period of time. I think

the maybe the neon rings and the speakers what sold it.

I don't know. I think it was the mice. You

think it was. You think I think their hamsters. Let

me know, I believe they are hamsters. You're right. Somebody

else sent me was playing on the internet. That sent

me was the Eclipse commercial where the girls doing the popping and locking, and that commercial seems as weird as it did the day it came out. It is, I

she First of all, if you ever ride with me in a vehicle, if you start popping and locking and bouncing around while I'm trying to drive, I'm gonna tell you.

Speaker 5: To still it's not move.

Speaker 2: You just tract me.

Speaker 5: I'm just that guy.

Speaker 2: But the whole commer you're looking it up, aren't you?

Your whole commercial. She's like like break dancing and all

kinds of stuff in the passengers or seat of the car while the car is going on. It was a

misspecially Eclipse commercial and somebody sent me that one. I

totally forgot about that one until I saw it, and I was like, yeah, nobody's doing that in my car when I'm driving. I'm gonna, like, I don't know, go

around a corner and accidentally hit the door and just way brought up the Lincoln commercial kind of a can anybody tell me? Does she ever seatbelt on that commercial?

I need to go back and look because there was a whole lot of dancing going on and it's show kind of unsafe without a seatbelt on. I don't know.

You guys, tell me find the commercial, Tell me what you wearing a seatbelt and that note. I gotta go

ahead and get out here. Guys.

Speaker 5: It is Saturday.

Speaker 2: Enjoy your weekend. Sunday is right around the corner. Make

sure you unplugged, spend some time with your kids, playboard game with them, fire up the grill, do whatever it takes, but sometimes spend time with your kids. They'll love you

for it. You guys got anything before we get out

of here. Enjoy your weekend here and we'll talk to

you soon.

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