Everyday Driver Car Debate Dec 16, 2025

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Nürburgring

The Nürburgring is a well-known racetrack in Germany where many cars are tested and raced. It's famous for being very difficult and exciting.

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Spa

Spa is a famous racetrack in Belgium where many car races take place. It's known for being very fast and exciting.

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Chevrolet Camaro

The Chevrolet Camaro is a popular sports car in America. It's known for being powerful and having a sporty look.

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suspension

The suspension is the part of the car that helps it ride smoothly and stay stable on the road. It includes things like springs and shock absorbers.

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Mazda Miata

The Mazda MX-5 Miata is a small sports car that's very fun to drive. The NC version is one of the models made between 2006 and 2015.

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Lotus Amira

The Lotus Amira is a newer sports car that is designed to be more comfortable and easier to drive than some of Lotus's older models, like the Elise.

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Subaru WRX

The Subaru WRX is a sporty car that can handle well in different conditions, especially on rough roads. It's loved by many car fans for its speed and performance.

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Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution

The Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution is a fast car that many people love for its racing background. It's designed to be very powerful and handle well on the road.

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mid-engine

Mid-engine means the car's engine is located in the middle, between the front and back wheels. This helps the car handle better and feel more balanced when driving.

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Porsche 356

The Porsche 356 is an older sports car that is light and easy to handle. It was made a long time ago and is loved for its simple and enjoyable driving experience.

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Porsche 718 GT4

The Porsche 718 GT4 is a sporty car designed for performance, making it great for driving enthusiasts who enjoy speed and handling.

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three-row SUV

A three-row SUV is a type of car that has three sets of seats, which means it can fit a lot of people. It's great for families who need to drive around kids and their friends.

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Kia Telluride

The Kia Telluride is another family SUV with three rows of seats, making it great for carrying kids and their friends. It's known for being comfortable and having a lot of space.

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Porsche 997 Turbo

The Porsche 997 Turbo is a powerful version of the 911 sports car that uses a turbocharger to boost its speed and performance.

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Hyundai Palisade

The Hyundai Palisade is a family-friendly SUV with three rows of seats, which means it can fit a lot of passengers. It's a good option if you need space for kids and their friends.

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Chevrolet Suburban

The Chevrolet Suburban is a big SUV that can carry a lot of people and their stuff. It's a good choice if you need a lot of space for older kids or a larger family.

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Ford Mustang

The Ford Mustang is a popular sports car that has been around for many years. It's known for being fast and stylish.

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Ferrari F355

The Ferrari F355 is a famous sports car made by Ferrari in the 1990s. It's known for being very fast and having a beautiful design.

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Toyota GR86

The Toyota GR86 is a sporty car that is fun to drive. It's designed to be light and quick, making it great for driving enthusiasts.

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Toyota GT86

The Toyota GT86 is a small sports car that is fun to drive. It has a design that makes it easy to handle and is great for people who love driving.

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Toyota GR Corolla

The Toyota GR Corolla is a sportier version of the regular Corolla. It's built for people who want a fun and fast driving experience.

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track day

A track day is when people can take their cars to a racetrack and drive them fast. It's a safe place to enjoy the car's performance.

Car

stick shift

A stick shift is a type of car transmission that you have to change gears yourself, instead of it changing automatically. It can be more fun to drive but takes some practice to learn.

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335d F10

The 335d is a diesel car made by BMW that is part of the 3 Series lineup. It is known for being efficient while still providing good performance, making it a practical choice for many drivers.

Car

Eagles Canyon Raceway

Eagles Canyon Raceway is a racetrack in Texas where people can drive sports cars and participate in racing events. It's known for its challenging design and also has off-road activities.

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supercar

Supercars are very fast and expensive cars that are more powerful than regular sports cars, often made by luxury brands.

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F1

F1 stands for Formula 1, which is a top-level racing series where cars compete in races called Grands Prix. These races take place on special tracks or city streets.

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GT4

The GT4 is a special version of the Porsche Cayman that is built for better performance on the track.

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Honda That Honda

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And the chat and we're excited to be with you. Thanks for joining everyone. We are on a back camera. Technology problems. But yes. Okay, good. Hello, everyone. Why we don't do this live all the time, clearly, because it's not working like we would like, but hi, you can see us. And hopefully more than that, you can hear us well. The audio should be good. So that's right. There we go. Back up camera, which is not my favorite, but I'm going to have to get over myself. That's the stuff I'm on.

Just get over it. It's all good anyway. Yeah. Well, blue puppy all sim racing. Hi, from the Philippines. Hello. Thank you for writing. Thank you for watching. Really appreciate it. That's very cool. All right. We're going to get serious now. We're going to actually have a podcast. Nothing is quite as fun as technology that doesn't work like you want, but it's okay. Hey, we're there. So they're forcing it to work is our live podcast. So thank you for 1025. I cannot believe that we're. Yeah, man, we're welcome.

rocking through them. It's pretty cool. I'm going to tell you some behind the scene stuff real quick. We are working with hooked on driving to do another code event.

And I, I'm way out over my skis to say this, but we might even do another podcast from code. There's a lot of steps. There's a lot of steps. A lot than he's happened, but yes, that is.

So that's pretty cool. Looking forward to possibly doing that. We if you are interested in getting on track with us, it hooked on driving.

All schedules went out today, like today. And there's discounts available for 2026. So it is literally gotten real as of this morning.

So we're very excited for you guys to know about all of the stuff that's going on. Also, these aren't posted yet, but I'm going to go ahead and do the house cleaning.

We've got special trips happening. There is Spain and Portugal that is happening in late April. We're going to do two domestic trips, one in probably the California Monterey area that is being worked on.

Another one that will be our fantastic Utah meetup best roads in Utah. You want to come to that one. That'll probably be September ish. We got to figure all this out.

Yeah. And then we are doing pilgrimage, which is the ring and spa. This show probably a couple of days on spawn a day on the ring.

Lots of little tweaks. We're doing all these trips to make them even better. That ring and spa trip will probably be August. Don't quote me any of these, but that's where we're headed.

And we're going to get those published. So you guys can start registering as soon as possible. But I think legitimately by the time we all get it up on its feet, it'll probably be early January.

Yeah, we've got. Yeah, it's just amazing how many things still come together the last minute with yeah schedules and tracks and dates. And they're still horse trading. So thanks for rolling with us. Thanks for being with us. We really appreciate it. And we've got tons of questions already. So we're jumping right in. Thank you so much. We've got a few I think online.

But yeah, thank you for being with us on the live stream. Pretty fun. Yeah, very cool. We really enjoy this. And all the car questions. There's been a lot of news about Ford about Porsche and the news.

Switching, switching their entire. Everybody's pivoting the pivot continues.

Ford's doing a 19.5 billion dollar pivot. They're doing a write down. Apparently, why kind of pivot when you can really get it. Yeah, that's going to be great. Yeah, fun to catch up on the news. So thank you guys for writing. That's jump right in. What do you got?

Let's see, never did a track. It sounds like a great time. It is a great time. We just got back from Thunder Hill. And actually, we'd never done the Thunder Hill 5 mile. Thunder Hill has two sides. The eastern side is three mile. The most people do. The western side is a more technical two mile. And they link them, you know, three plus two equals five. They link them. And it's a fantastic way to run that track. I can't wait to go back and do that. That was really cool. I got to borrow a Cayman while you were borrowing a Camaro. So in the $12,000.

sports car, fun car piece.

You might have noticed that I wasn't super thrilled about that particular Camaro. And the Camaro itself, it wasn't the best example. And we've all acknowledged sure. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And so I wasn't kind to it. And there are a lot of clips. We'll say that didn't even make the final edit because Todd thought I was being even too harsh. And he's like, yeah, you can't say that. That's not going in little much. Yeah. So I went too far. But that's okay. And so one of our coaches, our head coaches in

NorCal saw the piece. And he has a four cylinder Camaro. He also has told us the story about how Randy Popes has bought a four cylinder Camaro regressed selling it during the COVID era and has really liked it. And it is

Yes, Rob, yes, Rob, hello. Yeah, he's got his Camaro down to about 3,200 pounds. He said, dry weight 3250 somewhere with passenger with, you know, half-tank gas, minimal gas.

And he's done a lot of work to the suspension. He's running 18 inch wheels. And it looks really aggressive. So it sort of looks like almost a ZL one. He's got ZL one breaks on it.

And so he challenged me to drive his car sort of like, if you don't like my car. All right. I'm going to force you to drive it. So he did.

And I was game and you know what? It is the lightest Camaro that I have driven. It is the lightest feeling. Usually Camaro's do feel quite heavy. The more power you go, and the ZL one is awesome cars. It is huge and powerful as amazing as it is.

It is very fast, but it also you feel that on track, especially what you're talking about the more nimble and technical part on the two mile of West track at Thunder Hill. So it is

It was a different experience. And I do acknowledge that it was fun and pretty cool. So thank you Rob for letting me drive your car for let me take your Camaro out. And it was pretty cool. So I think Rob liked seeing his car out on track. He was every time I came by the bunch of flags and he had his phone out was pretty fun. So anyway. So yes, the Camaro existed. And well, yeah, drove that and you were in the cave. So Jorge is asking. He says he saw the he saw Jordan's car. Actually, we just covered it on the test drive channel.

So it's an NC Miata with a lot of flying Miata adaptations to it, tuning to it. He said that got him thinking what other models seem like the manufacturer gave you a starting place but are begging for mods.

I'm going to say it again. Don't just buy a car because you're going to mod it. You always say it really well. And that is, what do you want the car to do that it doesn't? What are you modding toward?

Because there's a catalog. Well, but I think I'll buy a lot of people at any cars and coffee who will tell you everything you're supposed to do to your car because every

car has a list online somewhere, but it comes down to what do you want it to do? And the reason that we talk about tuning out of class and not

liking that is you're trying to make a car a big heavy car handle like a small light car. Well, that's not going to. So what are you trying to get it to do?

The obvious one here is the 86. The 86 is a bit of a starter platform. You can modify it. The WX always has been the EVO was. I mean, these were the cars are people like, but the problem is the reason that I avoid it most of the time is

because things have a tendency to work best when you leave them alone. The manufacturer did R&D at a level that I'm not going to get done. And if you tune them, they have a tendency. Sometimes not, but they have a tendency to break more often. And then you go, well, this thing never runs. And now it's unreliable. And yeah, what all did you do it? So

I'm always very cautious, but those yeah, all of the enthusiast starter pack cars. If you want to think about it that way, the Miata, the 86 or the obvious ones, the MR2 when it existed was a cool one. A lot of those starter cars, but I'm just always worried about making something high strong and unreliable when doing that. Yep.

Friend Richard on here are diamond 655 asks what car we've driven has such a strong personality that it made you drive it differently than you wanted either more relaxed or more aggressively EVs do that to me. Okay. All right. Yeah. Simply because of the power you discover it and dip into the power.

Yeah. Well, I got to try this everywhere I go. And all the hellcat powered everything. Sure. Yeah. Yeah. Usually pickup trucks make me drive differently than I'm

you do drive like a big pickup driver. We've had a pick up for about a day about a day in your suddenly like you're that guy. I've seen that happen like that. So

other sports cars that I think pulled out of you. We noticed the E92 M3 when that came out. We were pretty shocked at how much we liked it, even though it was sort of a heavier car and more of a GT kind of a car. I think we both were pretty

impressed by that when it came out. But of course, it's definitely been surpassed in terms of dynamics that we're looking for. And I came way I told you this after driving that Camaro, you were in the

came out. I just I feel like I'm a mid engine or rear engine kind of a driver. Yeah. Yeah. I just I feel that. So when I've got a lot of weight and hood and car in front of me. Sure.

It doesn't resonate as much with me. But I mean, I want to get over that and get past that just as a driver personally. Yeah.

I do love the mid engine. Now we're in that weight back here. I have to actually for you, Richard, because I think they're out of the exact same shoot. We went and did the PCH in those kit cars, those build cars. We had essentially a 356 replica and we had a Daytona replica.

And both of those cars demanded that you adapt to what they were. You couldn't come in as whatever kind of driver you are. The 356 was just just easy, just go just go easy. Everything is small and light and not to be rushed and just for the experience and smell the

Sierra and go slowly and move slowly and push things slowly. And it you had to for it to feel comfortable for it to actually be a car that worked with you. You had to be very light and to be in no hurry.

He just relaxed and enjoy and the Daytona was the opposite from literally from the moment you put the steering wheel on it was like if you didn't bring all the muscle. The car isn't listening.

And so yeah, I wouldn't drive the Daytona casual and you couldn't drive the 356 replica aggressively. They just they did they did not accept it. It would buck and choke and learn and if you tried to drive smoothly and slowly and creep away. It didn't allow that.

The Daytona was like you better be angry because here we go. Yeah, those are cheap for sure. Yeah. Can you use them?

P. Yankees says hi from the horribly flat roads of central Wisconsin. Hello. Thank you for watching. Appreciate it so much.

John's asking his sister needs a genuine three rows SUV for carpooling. What do we recommend genuinely usable third row seats 40 K and under. You're going to be shopping used look at the key.

Tell you ride and Hyundai Palisade used because those have genuinely usable third rows. Now if you get beyond carpool small kids, they start to be difficult again.

Like three rows and the kids are high schoolers. You've got to be in something like a suburban. You have to. There's nothing else that has a genuine third row. But if you're talking kids like elementary school kids, these tell your rides and policies are actually really good and for that budget, you could find one. So I think I would go there.

What's cool. See here. The one K E a asks for the automotive coolman of a poor quality 4K remaster of a beloved film. Let's start with the films that are poor quality 4K remasters.

Well, what have you come across?

You can always tell when it's an old transfer because I know this is really subtle. If you're watching the credits and the credits are white over black and the credits are swimming.

It's just a little bit of this. It's because the real moving through the telescope. It's what it's called when you transferred film to tape or digital. The real is is bubbling a little bit.

And you can see the credits. They move side to side. It's subtle. But it exists. And I'm going to be like, this is an old bad transfer. Some of these to redo this.

Okay. I feel about that. Yeah.

Based on that, I have a thought for you. And that is the originals are now worse than the remakes because of modern technology and careful build quality that those original cars never enjoyed.

Okay. All right. All right. A resto resto mod Mustang. All the rest of mod Porsche anything. Okay.

I recently saw that Lotus a spray. Do you see that white is pretty crazy? Yes. All the one the F-355 that we saw lambos all these cars. The original cars were kind of like the credits were swimming.

Yeah. That's a great description. I like it. That's really good. I relate. I relate. That's good. But the subsequent resto mods. But then the one of ones, of course, are great. But what about cars that have a short production run that ended up actually being better than the original. So it's almost reversed. I think.

That's good. I really do like that. I'm trying to think of other things here.

There were a lot of really good questions. Where was the one I was just talking about? I hear you on Arizona. I do hear you.

Arizona road some point maybe. But let's see. There was a.

Oh, man. There's so many already. It's great. Thank you.

So we're talking about a lot of people at our recent Thunder Hill day talking about GT86s and GR86s and we have done our part to sling hash sell cars. We're pushing the sheet metal. We're doing a

apparently a good job. So many people, many of you who have bought one just based on reviews, many reviews and research. So we really appreciate it. And here's.

We are J R T James J Sims R T J Sims. Excuse me. We are partial responsible for the GR Corolla in his garage right now very, very happy with that little car.

I went on track with one of our coaches Craig who just recently got the automatic GR Corolla and that thing was great.

We were hanging in C group and he's a very fast smooth driver and he was just making that little car saying it was great. The auto on track.

We've tried it. We like it. Of course, manual is, you know, it brings out quite a different character, but the auto is great on that car. So I'm glad you've got it. That is a sweet car. Bring it to a track day.

I'll be asked if we've seen Jason Camisa's 50 years of the 9 11 turbo video. Only some of it. I actually started it and then get interrupted. So I barely started it and I feel bad about that because I actually like his stuff.

How does it compare to our 50 years of 9 11 piece from years ago. Our 9 11 piece was more involved. I know that just based on runtime. And I also know our 9 11 piece was made for a fraction of the budget of one of his pieces.

He is benefited by Haggerty spends money on his pieces and they're awesome. He and Anthony Esposito who does all the direction and cinematography. They do great, great work, but they have staggering budget. They're budget for the year.

Pardon me, their budget for a video is about equivalent to our budget for the year on production because Haggerty is doing it for promotion of the Haggerty name not to make the video make money.

So they do great stuff and I look forward to watching all of it. But again, also keep in mind our 50 years of 9 11 piece is now 13 years old.

What happens? Yeah, it was 2013. So we look I specifically look quite a bit younger. But anyway, so that happened. But anyway, we we are moving on with that.

Let's see, dosico says if we spend if he spends $5,000 to make a $12,000 car good, is it still worth it? I mean, I don't know what car we're talking about.

What you're talking about a really good $18,000 car. That seems okay. Yeah, I mean, yeah, always depends on the car rent. Hopefully you're not spending a full 5 grand. But I can see that.

Church Petrol asks our views. However, views changed on highly modded cars. How they evolved. We seem to really enjoy Jordan's NC turbo and hasn't been modded out of class to a GR86.

I suppose it has. I don't know that maybe you could call it an evolution of view, but Jordan didn't go, you know, full crazy huge turbo.

The ones that are actually kind of pulled back and modded, but with reliability in mind, not just to get the maximum amount, you know, figure out on the dyno where the engine explodes and back it off a tiny bit.

It's much. It's designed for more than just more power. It's designed to either provide better reliability or add, you know, a combination of things that I've always liked, but then you always introduce the price just like we've talked about with Alpha 4C's.

So you always introduce the price discussion. It's really good, but we really like the NC chassis. But on the other hand, an argument for a GR86 could easily be made.

For sure. I mean, the thing is, are we are we actually adapting here and changing? I don't know that we are because the big thing for me is, if you're spending $10, 15 more, $1,000 to make your car good, you really are getting into the price point of the next thing up.

Yeah, I don't care what price point we're starting with. Once you spend 15 grand, you're in another price category above the car you bought.

Is that car you're thinking about more interesting? Now having said that on our test drive videos channel, we are actually opening it up to driving all kinds of cars, including people's personal cars that they have tuned and that kind of stuff. But the big thing is back to Jordan's car, we want something that is sorted.

Not like I got it out of the shop last week. I think you guys can drive it. Here's the things to keep in mind. That door doesn't close. By the way, you have to start it just like it.

Let me get under the hood, jiggle some things. Jordan has driven that, that me on a cross country twice. Yeah. So it was like, okay, this has been tuned, but this has been sorted.

And that's actually the kind of stuff I'm more intrigued by because if you have a Franken build that didn't go anywhere and you barely got it to cough and come across the front of our cameras.

Okay, exactly right here because the problem with that is it becomes unrelatable. What Jordan did you could replicate?

That's a great point. You can, yeah, you can make many copies of that. And that's what will be the same and run.

That is still a thing. That's right. I mean, but it's intriguing for sure.

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Eric Pagan asks how much my son Bode loves his mini so much.

He likes that car so much. And he's getting good at driving man. He's getting actually excellent at driving man on that car.

I'm going to have to start putting him back in the at least I think and just kind of cross train him further.

But he's settling in it. I got to put my son back in the lease. I actually picked him up at school today in the Elise.

It's got the winter tires on it now. And he was making fun of me for a good father.

You brought out the winter notice. He was making fun of me for that, which is appropriate.

Not only appropriate, but but we went home in the Elise and he was writing writes. He was like, this is such a great car because it is a whole other thing.

It's so but but he is driving the many manual very well. We got him a really cool magnetic bumper sticker.

This is learning to drive stick shift on the back. And I have learned people are reading that because there's that moment that I've always had a fear that especially on a hill at a stoplight.

Where I'm just like, okay, the minute we start how frustrated and impatient as the person behind is going to be. And in general, people like we got this we're cool. We're good.

So that's good. He's doing great. And I look forward to him driving it more sketched him a little mini sketch on his birthday card.

You did. It's very cool. Yeah. He said, where did you find a birthday card with a mini sketch on it?

Yeah. Yeah. Most of us forget. You included. Most of us forget how really good Paul is at drawing cars. I mean, it's just you're like, oh, oh, so that was fun. It's actually made me want to do a lot more sketching.

I think that's amazing. Let's see here.

Mickey McManus says at what point is it worth stretching your budget, say from a fiesta ST at 10,000 to a focus RS at 25 is their merit in keeping the cheaper car insurance and maintenance.

Mickey, what are you doing with it? And here's the secondary part. Watch our price of fun piece. What do you enjoy about it?

Because I submit to you that depending upon your usage, you may enjoy that fiesta ST much more than the RS money be damned.

There's a price of fun even at the low end. There is. So, so what do you want it to do? You know, that's my big question. The fiesta ST on a back road is kind of hard to beat. And I don't know that the focus RS would probably be faster.

I doubt it'd be more fun. So I agree. What are you doing there? And that's that's what you have to really weigh.

I'm never about by the bigger car because it's always better. I'm by the car that suits your driving needs. And yeah, we'll see.

Lenticular 67 has no desire to mod the new car. That is a first time. That's great. Okay. No desire. I mean, drive it. Enjoy it. Yeah. I mean, if you do, okay. But yeah, drive it. Enjoy it.

Well, but we don't know what car that is though. We don't. Here's the thing I will say about modding to hit it again.

The other thing that happens is people have a tendency to buy a car new or used and modded immediately.

And you don't even know how it was stock. And I would say she ever did with the Corvette. We built a Corvette. Let's mod it immediately.

Maybe like all this. Yeah. But I think that's a key thing. I think if you buy a new car, you have to, and if it's used, put some good tires on it.

Don't just evaluate it based on whatever tires it happens to have on it from wherever for the last 10 years. So tires do go bad.

So put good tires on it. And I think you need to drive whatever car is new to you for at least six months. And then go, okay, what I want to do.

And I'm talking about anything beyond aesthetic mods. Like I like to put wheels on my car. You change the Toyota badges on yours and put on skid plates. These don't change how it drives.

Yeah, exactly. Okay, aesthetic mods are a whole different thing. But I'm talking about if you're changing driving stuff, at least give it six months to understand what you like, what you don't like and what you're chasing.

Put mud flaps on. You did. It's really scraped on the off road. Anyway, it's great. Yeah, it sounds terrible. And you're just scraping a little piece of plastic. It's no big deal. Yeah.

Or hey, I am as obsessed as you are. I think about the Toyota GRGT. It's question is not including the parts or engine bay. Do we remember if the Toyota GRGT has Toyota a badge anywhere on the exterior or interior.

And I can't recall, but keep in mind, these are still early builds and still being evaluated. I mean, it's not like there is final because the cars will still evolve and they might still bring something out. I think it was on.

I think there was dead center on the hood. Toyota badge as I recall. Don't know that it said anywhere else, but yeah, interesting.

Kyle Anderson, 9281. He's looking at getting an Avora GT in a couple years, but looking right now, he's found that Amira's are within $10,000 of an Avora GT. The GT's are hanging onto their value well.

What reasons would we pick one or the other? I'll tell you exactly why I picked the Amira. The Amira is the nicer place to be with better build quality and better looks.

And since I already have a hardcore car in the Elise, I didn't need the my better car, if you will, my more expensive car to be as hardcore as the Elise is.

I already have a loud, rattly interior doesn't matter, but my gosh, it's this scalpel sharp car. That is the Elise. The Amira is not that sharp, but I can actually say to my wife, let's do a date night in this or let's drive cross country in this.

And it's just a nice place to be. The Amira drives great when you don't want to push it. It drives well, when you push it, it's good on track. I like it on the back road.

But the Elise, when you're driving it to not push it, it's just it's loud and you're working with it. And you've got to be involved, which is one of the things I love, but it's not very friendly to others.

My wife, whoever wants to ride along, people that want to go on a group, the Elise is not really your car. So since I had hardcore, the average GT didn't make any sense for me and the Amira did.

It's the much nicer place to be. I think it is going to have great visual longevity. I think it's going to look great forever. That's why I chose it, but it depends on your use.

Switching gears to three point turn, three point turn has a watch question. I know it's not cars, but asking what watches next on my list. I actually just came across saco's new root beer GMT, because I'm attracted to it because it has grand saco movement in it.

And some features of grand sacos that and cost less than other grand sacos that don't have those features. And so I'm actually really intrigued. And I like the form factor. It's 44 millimeters. So it's a nice huge chunky watch. And I'm also a tutor fan. So I like GMT's a lot, but the new black base 68 from tutor, that is a 43 millimeter, I believe, with the blue face.

I'm really kind of digging the larger form factor on there, but I know that there's everybody's kind of rediscovering 39, 37 millimeter watches and just that form factor, but I've always lived a huge chunk of steel. So yeah, I'm looking at those two, but you know, of course, it's only money, right?

Oh, we're away from watches. Okay, we're back. Church of petrol. Let's see, please rank the following torque monster sedans. Thank you for the super chat. By the way, E 55 AMG, the W211, the model three performance and the three, three, five, 35, D, F10. I got to look up. You sent me model numbers. Now you're going to look them up.

215 E 55. That's early 2000. Yeah, yeah, performance 535 D F 10. I mean, the model three performance is a surprisingly good car dynamically, but it has the very uninteresting, super modern aesthetic interior, which I don't find compelling.

And it's a very good car dynamically that is also an appliance. The other two have got personality that the model three's not going to have, but

If you're wanting a modern car, that is the other thing the model three brings is the model for you're going to buy it. It's going to work in any situation and it's going to just run by and large.

The other two, you introduce a lot of wild card elements of running those other two. And of course, in one case, you're getting a diesel, but I, hmm. Yeah, I think personality wise, the model three loses usability wise, it wins.

Okay. I like. I have a question that is right in the sweet spot here. Thompson 88 has a 718 GT4 and his wife is pregnant. Congratulations.

So he's going to need a car with back seats. Will a 2025 tuned and modified Carrera T have that sports car feel or should he go 997 turbo.

Easy answer, regular Carrera T not tuned not modified new Carrera T 991 Carrera T as it comes maybe breaks tires tires, but as it comes, it is such a superb car. I think you'll appreciate.

If you go down the road of tuning it and modding it, well, what are you trying to do? I mean, trying to get a hotter GT sports car out of the Carrera T that was never designed to do that. That's why they make that model and sell it to.

But I say Carrera T no mods and you will be thrilled. They're so good. 997 turbo cool, but I think you'd really appreciate the Carrera T and congratulations on your growing family.

That's very cool. Yeah, yeah.

The one Kia, let's see, do we always fill up test cars, gas tanks before a test drive and do specifically test different fuel levels to experience the differences in CG and weight transfer.

Nope.

We drive them at the gas tank amount that they have. Sometimes if we've drained them, then we'll actually fill them before we do it.

Because here's the thing, most of the time the cars we get for like a test drive for the test drive panel, the solo cars, it's an SUV anyway, so there's really not much difference.

When we do want to think about it this way, when we're testing sports cars like the light weights where it matters, keep in mind that those cars were all filled at the same time and I'll reviewed the same amount of fuel burn through the day.

So that equalizes it, generally, that way. So yeah.

Freedom van, thank you very much for the super chat. Any chance of hooked on driving co ingredients to DFW, I'm guessing in the Dallas area, do you mean Eagles Canyon Raceway?

But we're looking into it and we're looking into franchise operators and we welcome that and we love a conversation if you or know somebody who was potentially interested in Texas region, we definitely want to do more there.

And we've been to Eagles Canyon Raceway, that is the only one that I know of around the DFW area and it's good, it's growing, there's a ton of off road stuff, the track is really tight and technical and really interesting track, really pretty good.

And so if you're interested, yeah, please let us know. But step by step, right, I mean, we're glad to have an incredible 2025 and have incredible operators, regional operators nationwide.

Yeah. And they're doing some incredible track days. So if you want to be a part of that, definitely.

Yeah, there's definitely an opportunity for franchise in northern half of Texas, well, Texas in general.

There's an ongoing conversation here that Utah is a terrible place to live. I don't agree with that, but I don't know what your Utah experience was there. So okay, that's fine.

Let's see, I'm moving on here.

Man, there's a lot of grace. Good. I love seeing what everybody's thinking about, yeah.

Are we going to drive the new Aston Martin bank wish from Brad K, I'd like to, but anytime we are looking at something really hot and considering something really expensive, we always run it through the filter of will this be watched.

And so what we usually do is try to put together some sort of comparison that grounds a car, whether, you know, if you're looking at this, you know, why not this or two or three cars in that arena because, you know, like you and I were talking, we think the era of super cars on YouTube and watching super car content on YouTube is kind of behind us.

That is behind us based on what people are watching the peak of that is behind us. And since we're a, we're everyday driver.

So when we go off and drive a million dollar car, it's really relate to the brand of what we do. Do I want to drive it? Absolutely. Yes, but that's why I want to drive the bank price.

The price of fun is a great example. We try to ground it with something else and go how much of the experience are you getting out of a cheaper model and sometimes the manufacturers are okay with that conversation.

They're really, really not. But we want to make it relatable because the other thing that happens a lot, especially with a lot of automotive journalists and journalism in general for cars, is you start to get this feel of I got to drive this and you never will.

And you and I don't want to bring that. I mean, we appreciate the fact we have to drive these cars at all. So if we're going to get to drive it and some of you may never get to drive it or in some cases never even see it.

We want to give it some sort of perspective so you can go, okay, so I understand how that hypercar is related to my own world. That's always important.

Let's see Tim, Kenosho 3684 as an obligatory F1 question, which of the three US circuits do we like the most, which one would we replace?

Haven't seen Miami have not seen that circuit. I mean, it's right around the hard rock stadium right there and it seems fairly temporary to me.

Doesn't seem like a permanent kind of installation. Of course, Coda is tap my list. It's just so good. It's so superb to drive. And yes, we definitely will put the word out when we finalize Coda for 2026.

We will definitely let everyone know and that is way up there. But I think it would have to be ongoing street circuits because the Indy car track.

Yeah, partially the infield using a little bit of the oval didn't seem to really resonate. I mean, it was okay, but I don't know that it really resonated. I feel like it was a Daytona wannabe almost.

And so I'd welcome more street circuits, actually.

Down here, let's see.

Dac 981 says understands that we can't get to all car debates, but if ours hasn't been covered, is there anything we can do to make it more interesting?

There is volume that we're never going to surmount. That's part of it. And then also if it's cars, we're already talking about a lot.

The best examples are Miata's and GRD 6's or which Porsche do I buy?

Those are probably not going to get covered because we've covered it at some point anyway.

And so what we like is we like the off the little bit off kilter stuff where it's not a conversation we've had prior now.

Sometimes we end up with those cars we've talked about a lot, but the story is so completely unexpected that we talk about them anyway.

But there have been, I mean, again, we're a 1025 podcast in. We've talked about all the Porsche models, the GRD 6, the Miata a ton.

And we've debated between those cars a ton both on this podcast and on camera.

So those are the conversations that generally we're probably not going to cover unless there's a new angle on it.

So really, these are all factors. It doesn't mean that it might just have been we got a bunch that week and we just didn't cover yours and I'm sorry if we didn't.

Delta ETA 625 says what gifts are each of us buying for our cars for Christmas.

I got maintenance for the GT4 all year so that got that done.

It already got its Christmas gift before the big mid-year road trip and I'm trying to figure out how to get ski racks, maybe a roof rack for the forerunner.

It needs a. It does for the new ski car.

Yeah, tradition. I could just lay skis. Of course you could.

Just. Yes.

Long.

It's good.

And that he would push the back seats. It was ridiculous. Yeah, it's it's safe.

But I would like to store the skis on the roof and forerunner.

So I thought about doing the the hitch rack for skis. You could do that too.

I could do that. That isn't put them up top. You just because you got the hitch for the bike rack.

Anyway, get a one of those.

Vertical. Yeah, they vertical. Yeah, most of the time. Yeah, that's not a bad idea.

I think I think you could do that.

Jay Robin is just sending us a super chat. Thank you, man. I really appreciate it.

You just said he met us at this weekend's event and just enjoyed meeting us and thank you for saying something. Thanks for being at the HOD event.

We just we loved having conversations. We had more conversations about everyday driver fans at an HOD event that we've ever had this past pretty awesome.

It was really, really cool.

See, if you had to drive a manual in the winter, Barbara Peterson 6638 says if we had to drive a manual in the winter,

do you keep a regular pair of clutch friendly shoes in the car just for driving?

I suppose you could, but well, it depends on the car, I guess, because if it's got a small tow box, then yeah, I mean, I guess the question to you.

If you're doing, if you're plowing people's driveways with your lease, you know,

do you keep a pair of driving shoes in the pedal box?

For the most part, I'd never really have, although it is kind of annoying to, you know,

whether you're clunky, you know, kind of trail runner shoes and drive a manual.

It works. You can get it done.

But for the most part, you're not doing a driving where you really need a lot of pedal feel.

So it works. You can get by.

I, the pedal box is tiny on the lease and it is difficult.

I actually drove it over here tonight and it's on its winter tires again, the winter notice ridiculous.

So I have to drive it a little more carefully in bigger shoes.

I don't typically pull out the whole, you don't go through that.

Typically do that, but I typically just drive it a whole lot more carefully because the pedals are pretty close.

I got to be careful.

See, yeah, Devina Duckworth has never tried to drive a manual with boots.

It's, it's hard.

Depends on how big your feet are and how big the pedal box is for sure.

A different manual with flip flops. That's kind of hard.

That is hard. I've driven manual barefoot. I actually really like that.

But it's a whole separate thing. That's why I really like driving shoes.

The, the chicane shoes are awesome.

I was the 928 doing as a H 2225.

It's doing good.

The exhaust is straight piped because I can because it's a 40 plus year old car.

Yes.

But it has two bungs welded in the exhaust on one side is the O2 sensor on the other was just a bolt.

And the bolt came out, it just unscrewed itself because of all the vibrations.

And so now it sounds like a NASCAR.

And so the exhaust unfortunately exits right underneath me under the driver's seat.

And I need to replace the bolt.

It sounds amazing.

But of course, fumes when I pull to a stoplight, I'm like.

Wait for to do green.

Get going again.

So I need to just replace that.

But you know what?

It's on a battery tender and she just fires right up.

First try.

She just fires right up.

So need to give her some exercise related to that.

Somebody asked us how often we drive the GT4 in the America compared to our daily drivers.

Keep in mind that those cars kind of are our daily drivers.

I mean, granted you have a four runner and I have two kians.

Thanks to my wife.

I have the nice kian of the Rubikian.

So I will say this.

If you're old cowboy boots and you're nice.

If I'm working from home and not going anywhere today, except to ride a bike,

then I'm going to drive the Rubikian because it's the one that has the hitch on it for the bike rack.

If I'm picking up more than one other person, I take my wife's kian.

But if I'm driving for any reason other than those two, I generally take the Amira.

I mean, it's got about 17,000 miles on it.

I actually got to take it in for its second oil change in my ownership.

It's got multiple track days went back and forth to Texas, went back and forth to Utah.

It's cool.

If I'm just going to get in a car and drive it, it's going to be the Amira.

Now I will also admit that because I can't believe how much is coming up.

Because I have the winter notice, I have put the Amira away.

Because I haven't got winter tires for it.

Put the summer in the air.

Exactly.

Summer Lotus is gone.

So anyway, though I wouldn't mind driving it in the winter either.

But I've got the Elise and the Elise is so fun.

A light car is fun all the time.

So that's actually really cool.

So that's the crazy answer there.

But there's so many good questions.

Oh my gosh.

DJ Howard, 93.68 has a 91 NSX manual, which he's considering selling and replacing with an LC500,

keeping in mind the NSX isn't depreciating.

He does feel that he would use the LC500 more.

What would we do?

Many car debates.

Would you sell that 91 NSX manual?

It sounds like it's in pretty great condition.

And you're right.

I think you've parked your money there.

But it also sounds like you're not driving it too much.

And just by virtue of you eyeballing LC500s,

you're kind of going, oh, I wonder about that.

So first step is to drive the LC500.

If you like it, hopefully.

Yes.

That'll start to inform your decision.

But that could also very quickly realize like, wow,

I'm falling back in love with my NSX.

But it also sounds like maybe you've owned it long enough where,

you know what, I've had a good run.

I've had my time with it.

And I'm just craving something completely different.

And that is okay.

Only you can give yourself permission to do that.

But that is no slight.

You don't have to completely fall out of love with your NSX.

And like you said,

you could get a great price for it right now.

Go get yourself an LC500.

Enjoy that.

And you know what?

I think there's going to be a lot more cool cars coming our way.

New cars, cool GT cars, cool mid engine cars.

So I think you could, you could do something else.

I mean, I'm on my second 928.

Granted, they're a lot lower price point than an NSX.

Yes.

But if you ever needed to just have an NSX back in your life,

you could get one again.

True.

But I encourage you to go get more driving experience.

Go, go do it.

I say yes.

Waflogus, who is awesome.

He's down in Austin.

And he helps keep our discord running.

He's one of our patrons and keeps our discord.

In fact, he was part of the reason we have a discord.

So it's very successful in that regard.

Very much appreciated, man.

He said,

Hey,

do I have any fatherly wisdom for a soon to be dead?

Yeah, I knew the day was coming, man.

That's, that's crazy.

Excited for you.

Here's,

here's the one thing I'm going to tell you that I actually wish

someone had said to me.

But I kind of learned it by doing.

And that is,

well, first off,

I'm going to say something controversial.

That child doesn't have to be the only thing you care

about the minute that it's born.

For some people,

that's life experience.

For me, it took a while.

Okay.

And that's okay.

That is atypical of many people,

but that's okay.

But the big thing I'm going to tell you is,

you have all of the knowledge of adulthood.

And a child is going to ask you a question

and you're going to think about all of the stuff

you want to tell them.

Okay.

Mm-hmm.

I'll give you a perfect example.

And I'm going to go real quick.

With a little kid says,

where do babies come from?

We as adults go,

I got to have the sex talk.

No, you don't.

You've gone all the way,

you've gone too far.

Just answer the exact basics of what they're asking.

That the most basic level

and ease your way into what are you actually asking and why?

Because we as parents want to bring all of our knowledge

and let me,

okay, I got to download you right now.

No, you don't.

Sometimes I sort of ask a simple question

and I realized that the simplest answer was all he needed.

He just needed a stopper.

He wasn't asking all this stuff behind this.

No, it was just the really simplest question.

So don't go too far into the explanations.

Find out what your,

what your child is actually asking and solve that.

Boondock, St. Ryan's looking to book a road trip

at the end of March 2026

and thinking of doing tail the dragon

and visiting Savannah, Georgia,

should he switch to hedge hollow with hooked on driving

and do the tail on the way home

yeah, I think you should.

And you've heard us talk about hedge hollow

but it is,

it's a great track

and it is the only other track

that we know of in the US

that has the similar digital flagging system

almost FIA standard as Coda.

I don't really know of any other track

that has that level of the

the close circuit cameras.

There isn't a part of the track

that cameras cannot see

and that digital flagging system

is pretty cool.

It is out there

but it is so worth it.

And Lonnie and Marlowe do such a great job

with hooked on driving Midwest.

They're building that region like crazy

and I think you should.

Yeah, it's well there

and increase your driving skills,

get some great coaching

and then apply it on the way home.

I think you would love doing that

and hedge is a great track.

It has,

I'm a little biased.

I know.

It has no business being as good as it is.

That's the thing about that track.

It really doesn't.

You hear about it

and you just think,

how good could this track be

some guy builds it for himself

so it's not.

Well, now that HOD is there

consistently,

it was our understanding

that that owner who built the track

realized that letting the track sit

and then coming out for your own private track day,

the track was way too dusty.

It needs to be constantly used

and rubbed in

and just generally used.

Tracks need to be used

to continue to be good

and so he is proud to rent that to HOD

and so I think you,

like I said,

I think you'd really,

really dig it.

Also here with a super chat

that's in many car debates

such as parents

are in need to fit

an orchestral three-quarter base

sometimes in their vehicle.

Good passenger space

for four people, good safety tech,

easy for older people

to get into reputation

for excellent reliability.

Paramount,

you have walked us

also right into SUVs,

five-seat SUVs

because the reality is

this is what they solve.

They solve space,

they solve passengers,

and they solve actually

easy to get into and out of.

So,

you're shopping five-seat SUVs,

you haven't mentioned a budget in here.

You can do things

like the Mazda products,

the CX-50,

CX-5, those are excellent choices.

You step up into this

more seven-seaters

of the Tell Your Ride

and Palisade,

I mentioned them before.

The Passport,

Vi Honda,

excellent,

only five-seater

with really good backspace.

That actually might work,

the Passport.

These aren't dynamic,

but based on your list,

that's not what you need.

So I think something

in that regard

is excellent.

There's lots of others I'm forgetting,

but there's a C

of five-seat SUVs.

Go to our test drive videos channels.

We've driven pretty much

all of them.

If they want nice,

and they can swing it,

I've got you one.

The XC-60 Volvo.

That's good one.

That's really good

if they can go there.

I like it.

Let's see.

Just had it.

What race are six?

Asking if Black Hawk Farms,

Audubon Country Club,

Road America,

or any of the tracks in Michigan

will they be coming?

Will HOD be coming there?

We have talked about

what a great region

that central area could be

from Ohio,

stretching up into Southern Michigan

right there,

stretching all the way

to Road America.

We think that could be

a great region there.

We're working on it.

We're on our minds.

We've identified that great area

and we think it could really work

and a lot of enthusiasts there.

So nothing on the calendar right now,

but definitely stay tuned.

Yeah, another pending franchise

there would be really,

really cool.

Yeah.

Do you see Evan Audi here

says he just bought a 1987 Porsche

944 S with 127,000 miles

on the clock,

drives like a dream.

That's fantastic.

That's really good.

Yeah.

Also, somebody,

I read past that I apologize

for not seeing it here again,

but you said you're about

to leave to fly cross country

to drive your new box

or purchase home.

So yes.

Good luck to you.

I'm excited for you there.

That's really cool.

Man.

Let's see.

We're moving.

There's lots of stuff.

I love it.

Yeah.

I'm trying to read a ton.

Okay.

I need to update my Discord pick.

All right.

I guess I need to.

All right.

Fair enough.

Lots going on for sure.

We should run middle high

or we'll probably get there

at some point.

I like it.

Yeah.

What cars are on the most fun per dollar list?

I'm going to say it to you.

The GR86 is way up there.

It's one of the absolute best.

What you spent versus the fun you have is way up there.

Of course.

I've got to say me on it.

Always the answer.

I know that that's the reality.

But it's true.

The problem is that the Porsche products are great.

But the cost per dollar for new.

I don't know that it's there based on these others

that we're talking about.

And those are really superb.

The GR Corolla is good.

But it's also expensive.

That's the problem.

Some of those hatchbacks are getting pricey.

From Bella B 1029.

Have we all can have we considered buying a car

off a site like Facebook Marketplace.

Sold one on Craigslist.

I mean, yeah.

And for us, I think for purposes of the show.

For, hey, we need a car that would fit some road trip

or some kind of series.

I think we would consider doing that.

Yeah.

Absolutely.

It would definitely add to the character.

And we'd come away with our own stories about it.

But sure.

I mean, yeah.

And you know what?

People post good cars in all kinds of places.

True.

They post where it makes more the most sense.

And they're kind of thinking what kind of buyer do I want to reach.

But that doesn't mean every car on this platform is kind of

janky and no good or all the cars over here are always good.

Because we've all seen the opposite is true.

Cars that you think are amazing.

There's been some deception going on over here with various things.

And then you might find a gem over on on Facebook Marketplace or Craigslist

or somewhere else.

So yeah, absolutely.

Garcia says he's got a 2019 Shelby GT350 very cool car looking

to add a JDM manual transmission rear wheel drive sports car

leaning toward the 370Z Nismo.

That car is a manual away from greatness.

The problem is, what are they going to cost?

Because the Nismo was already 70 grand and they were marking them up.

That is the way you want the New Z.

Oh, you start, sorry, you said 370 Z Nismo.

That would be excellent.

I do like that.

The New Z should only be on the category.

If they really do put a manual in the Nismo.

That's the only way to get the New Z is as a Nismo with a manual.

If you can do it.

But do not overlook that Toyota Super on your list.

The Toyota Super manual is superb.

It's maybe one of the best manual transmissions on sale a day.

They've really made that manual awesome.

It's not like a BMW manual at all.

And it's really, really good to do not overlook that car.

Hmm.

Scanning here.

This is good.

Do we think from Boondock, St. Ryan,

do we think they'll actually legalize K cars in America?

And do we think there's a genuine market for them here?

He's dying to buy Honda S660 among 30 or 40 other K cars.

Got a buddy who is a pilot in Marine Corps.

And yeah, he was stationed in Japan and had one of those.

Was it an ACTI?

Honda ACTI, I think.

Okay.

All right.

And then he had a little Subaru van van let thing.

Sure.

Yeah, yeah.

And yeah, he really liked them.

And when you get to talk about K cars,

everybody's like, oh, I think that would be great.

And you only see him like a neighborhood like an HOA or a ranch

or something like that, puttering around.

Yeah.

I mean, maintaining a golf course somewhere.

Yeah.

They were designed based on, you know,

the country of origin, the cities that,

you know, where they work best.

And so it'd be really weird to have a K car.

We have driven our K cars, the ones we had on the freeway.

They do keep up.

They're plenty of fine, plenty of power.

But I'm just thinking.

Yeah, with giant spaces, giant open spaces that America has.

I think there will always be huge cars.

But I want the smallest.

I do too.

The problem that we have, I mean, you go to,

you go to Japan where there's K cars.

And things are okay being K car sized.

The biggest problem, the biggest reason for the complete takeover

of CUVs is because so many drivers,

all you're doing is commuting.

And you wind up in a smaller car, even a sedan.

You wind up in a, a camera behind a big truck.

And you just think, I want to see more.

I can't tell what's going on.

I see is this guy's duly rear axle.

So you buy something higher.

And that's why we wound up here.

So I can't think outside of very special to use

is that most people are going to want a K car

because it's just, you're just going to be dwarfed.

I'm dwarfed in the Elise.

And that's a monster compared to K cars,

which is crazy to say, but it's true.

Yep.

Yeah.

Divina, thank you.

Savage Geese were great guests.

Yes, they were.

We loved having those guys on.

And it was funded chat with him before and afterwards.

And they were very gracious with their time.

Pretty cool to have them on.

And yeah, here with their, they're doing so.

Yeah, we'll have to do it more.

We were proud to have them as our first video guests.

And we will do that.

Not frequently, I would say,

but we'll, we'll definitely look into having a few more

special guests on in, in 2026.

So we definitely want to do that again.

But I did like the fact that Mark ran a camera on his end.

That was very nice.

That was excellent.

Because it was nice to switch to that.

And then you felt you were talking right to those guys.

Agreed.

Yes.

You switched back to the studio camps here.

Not everybody's going to be this cool.

That was definitely their kind of thing, which for sure.

Ben's asking, he says, is there another long term,

cheap and expensive car series coming up?

Ben, we actually want to do more pieces in plan.

I actually are planning to do more pieces like the 12,000 other car piece.

So that kind of stuff is coming up.

But we can get lots of cars together at a price point and talk about that.

Actually buying cars and doing a series on them.

What we found is actually like that a lot of enjoyed doing it.

What we found is when we have those cars,

we have all the rest of our cars less.

But I think the audience is really only interested in two or three videos.

And then the interest really falls off fast.

And do we want to buy cars and go to that hassle for two to three videos total?

I mean, I feel like we've reached a place where the videos that you watched are,

I bought it and it broke and I'm selling it.

Those three videos and you're done.

So I struggle with doing another one because I'm not sure that there's enough audience there for it.

Having said that, the idea of doing one another multiple of these comparison pieces at a certain price point is very exciting.

And I like the ability that you guys do show up when we actually bring out our own personal cars,

maybe twice a year and update them. That's cool.

Oh man, it's growing.

It's lots of stuff.

This is great.

Cool.

All right.

I got a sob question.

Uh oh.

Do you need to call your brother?

I just might need to call Daniel near mitts.

2034 says Paul fellow sob owner has my brother in law.

Daniel ever gone to the annual sob owner's convention.

He and I should come out this year.

It will be held in Huntsville, Alabama.

I will plant the seed because I will be with my family for Christmas.

And I will plant the seed, but I he is really in the community worldwide,

but also up in the Seattle area.

And so my sister actually suggested that we should redo our family sob photo.

And we did a few years ago where the whole family was running around the sob.

Yeah, hanging around was really good.

One of the sobs.

So there's so many that's a collection.

And for a non car person, I have a collection of sobs is quite a thing.

I have to say he's actually just a sob person.

But anyway, there's amazing amount of sobs in the neighborhood.

I'm driving through him like, you know, you see him in people's garages that are open.

All right, well, they found the pocket of sob.

Oh, apparently Apollo.

And ready says he's been thinking of getting a nine eight one.

That is a that is a boxer generation.

One back GT4.

But sorry, I came in generation by generation.

But would need to sell his rare stock S2000 club racer with only 30,000 miles.

Would we keep the S2000?

So this is the GT4 before your generation.

Should he sell the club racer version, the CR version of the S2000 to get that car?

I'm curious of your usage.

I do have to say, look, I love the S2000.

The S2000 is also frozen in time.

While it does drive well, it doesn't drive at a level that hasn't been surpassed.

You can get in other cars and they feel some of the CR version is very cool.

You're probably going to get really good money for that.

I'm curious why specifically the nine eight one GT4.

Did you land on that for budget?

Are you planning on it to be a track car?

What's your usage?

What I sense here is we joke about this all the time.

If you're thinking of selling the S2000, you're okay to be done with it.

Yeah, if you were saying, I absolutely don't ever want to sell this car.

But what about this?

We have a different conversation, but you are considering it.

And I don't get the sense here from you that you believe it should be a car in your garage forever.

Would we keep it?

Sure. If we could, of course we could.

But I feel like this might be the car that's keeping you from moving on.

And if you need the nine eight one GT4, you're going to have track use for it.

Here's the thing.

I wouldn't buy the nine eight one GT4 as just as just a daily.

I think at that point may as well just daily the S2000.

It's more interesting.

It's more unique.

It's going to be perfectly good daily.

It's also a good track car.

But if you are looking for a more updated track car, nine eight one GT4 is pretty awesome.

See, Mickey has got another question here.

Mickey's gone through six cars in the last two years.

How do you do drive home or better to enjoy a car long term?

You know, life changes happen.

What you're looking for and you're driving experience changes.

And that's what happened with Todd and I when we started really doing a lot of performance driving.

Our taste and what we wanted out of a car really came to the forefront.

I mean, we both really like lightweight cars.

Todd likes the ultra ultra lightweight cars, even more.

Yeah.

But the kind of feel that we're looking for in the kind of usage that we want.

And just give yourself permission to know that things are going to change.

Your life's going to change.

Your taste are going to change throughout.

So it's not like the long term.

I've got to have this forever kind of thinking.

But six cars in the last two years.

That's that's quite a bit of turnover.

I mean, just the registration costs alone, the tax style on license alone.

I'm wondering if you're.

Have you really sat down to think about what do I want?

And do you have space for two?

Are you trying to make one car do everything so much?

And there isn't one that does it all for you.

And so do you need to split the budget and start thinking broader?

Just a thought.

I've got a question about, did we enjoy Golden Gate Canyon Road?

I'm guessing you're talking about Colorado.

We've driven a lot of the roads in Colorado.

That's it.

Which one exactly do you mean there?

I'm not exactly sure I'm following what you mean.

But Colorado's got some great roads in Central Central South, just South of Estus Park has got great stuff.

And I actually love the stuff in the western edge of Colorado the most.

There's still many, many roads.

We have not done worldwide.

We're working on them.

We're checking them off.

But we're not going to get to all of my don't think.

There's so many roads.

Yes.

Yeah.

There's so many, man.

Yeah, there's good stuff.

You thought the mini video was a great one and one of your favorites of the year.

Thanks for that.

I mean, that's what happens when I bring my whole family along.

They don't, they don't restrict themselves much.

There was a lot of great conversation in that piece.

It was very funny.

They let loose.

It was pretty funny.

How come Honda?

This is Tim writing.

And how come Honda doesn't try to compete with the Miata and GR86 market

with an S2000 successor?

We're all wondering that.

That's the market is too small.

The S2000 was a bespoke chassis.

It's hard to make that make sense.

Let's be honest.

The preludes coming out because it is using parts from elsewhere.

Okay.

That's the reality.

We use parts from elsewhere.

And I find it fascinating.

You and I on the prelude.

Have delayed hating it.

We're like, but I would have put it.

Okay.

And I say that because because.

Well, I say that because everyone else seems to just be well, that's dead on arrival.

I'm like, well, nobody's driven it yet.

Nobody's compared to anything.

Yeah.

And full of people have.

And yeah, for sure.

I want to drive it.

I'm very curious about it.

I hope it's good.

But the thing that's come up is actually even come up in these questions.

That it's an 86 competitor.

But it's not.

In my mind, it's actually a Prius competitor.

You're wanting a good looking daily hybrid.

And if you have interest in the car actually driving halfway decent,

that's who you're competing against.

Now the loaded Prius at the top of this before loaded Prius is high forties.

I mean, sorry, it's right about like loaded is right at 40.

And the prelude starting in the 40s.

And you know what's going to get markups already talking about markup.

So that's the problem is the price point.

But I don't think it's an 86 competitor.

I would love for haunted to do one.

But I just don't know if they can make the numbers make sense.

See, race 315.

Thank you so much for the super chat.

Really appreciate it.

Have a car you're happy with.

Race bought a Camry TRD in 2020.

He's happy five years later as when he drove it home.

He absolutely loves it.

That's cool.

That's really cool to hear that GT S GT R GT S Camry from SEMA.

I don't understand what we're doing there.

But okay more of that like let's make it hot.

Like Camry suddenly being associated with hotness.

Yes.

Paul, now that you have a 718 GT4.

Have you reached your peak attainable Porsche?

Or do you still want a 911?

I mean, yeah.

Yes.

If you could rewrite your Porsche history.

What Porsche would you be driving today?

A different Porsche timeline for you.

What would that be?

If I could rewrite that includes camons.

And I love camons and camons have really dictated what my sense.

What I'm looking for in my track driving street driving.

It's really influenced that quite heavily.

So are you saying that I couldn't choose?

I'd have to choose something else.

They're just asking about an alternative timeline.

I don't know what to tell you.

Yeah.

Turn of timeline.

I mean, I maybe would have just tried to ignore every other Porsche model.

And just gone for say a 3.2 Carrera.

Which would, gosh, when I bought my first 928.

Those were affordable.

Ish.

Gunna.

We did not drive Jordan's car in Colorado.

He was with us in Utah.

We did not drive Golden Gate Canyon in Jordan's beyond it.

That was a road called Cascade Springs in our area.

So thanks for clarifying.

But that was not where we drove it.

I appreciate that you thought it was that.

But we happened to nail one of our favorite roads.

It's actually the same road.

Same weekend we drove for the $12,000 cars piece.

That's a road near us that is fantastic.

We happen to hit it like peak leaves.

Which is why when we came around the corner, we cut one of them out.

We cut the worst one out.

We came around the corner and there was a guy parked there

during the $1,000 car piece.

Because people were just coming around blind corners

and stopping and going, oh, that's pretty.

It was scary.

But yeah, that was where that was.

Let's see.

Wow.

Such great stuff.

Thank you.

Thank you guys.

Oh, bring back buttons is the actual name.

Bring back buttons is asking about buttons.

Will there be a demand in the future for certain cars

to de-screen or analog convert like a singer-style redesign

for cars where they go back to screens?

What would be the first cars that come to mind that would work?

Well, you've kind of backed us into that.

And the point I'm making here is I could see a world where

somebody has money and takes a car they love.

But all the tech is outdated and they go get a rid of all the tech.

Let's make new internal panels and give me just what I need.

Because I've seen that happen with builds and with old cars

and I was like, we were in a e-type once where they changed

all the switches and the switches did new things now

but the switches were still there.

I could see somebody doing personal builds that way

starting anytime now, like set the clock.

The clock is ticking.

It's going to happen.

An actual business to standardize it.

I think it would be really hard because I don't know

whether you're going to get enough monetary return

on making panels that replace that.

I'll give you an example, the weird one that happened

for the Ferraris of the 2000s, 90s and 2000s.

There were people making new buttons because the original buttons

had that tacky, sticky, rubberized stuff on.

Yeah.

So that everybody wanted to have new buttons and so they made them.

I don't know that there's going to be a standard desire

for that to make it make sense.

But I do think people are going to start retrofitting cars

because they liked where the tech is so outdated.

Can we remove the tech, make me a new dash.

I think about how now,

remember the double hump, E92 BMWs?

The ones with the single hump because they had no naps on that.

On the IP here.

Yeah.

The single hump ones are actually worth a little bit more money

and they're super rare because that's an example.

That's an example.

But who's going to pay for that?

Did we cover Jeremy's question about the prelude again?

Did I miss that?

I don't know that we covered it well enough.

Jeremy, thank you so much for writing.

Jeremy's main question with the prelude is why buy it over civic hybrid

or a civic SI,

depending on the buyer target demographic.

It's $10,000 over either.

Yes.

The best insight that I've got is from my friend who works at Honda.

And my understanding is that Honda really goes after the demographic

like you suggested because these other two cars might not even,

they might not even know they exist.

I mean, they do,

but they're not on that buyer's radar.

They are not interested.

They're not even considering that.

SI, no, I don't want, you know, manual or something sporty.

Civic SI.

I want a two door.

I want a coupe.

I want it in a little bit more personal feeling.

And I feel like car companies are going to have to continue really doing that

rather than making the, the shotgun approach, the broad approach to,

hey, a bunch of people will buy this and do whatever they want.

They're going to have to really kind of do the BMW thing.

And Honda here is going after a very particular buyer.

And it seems like they're,

they're not worried about not selling all the preludes in the world.

You know, just tons and tons and tons of preludes.

They're not really concerned about selling tons of them.

But to that specific buyer to bring them into the Honda fold,

it seems like the car that could do that for a particular buyer.

And I betcha there's more than the not.

I'm really curious about it.

And I hate to say this,

but we've already,

we've already seen the postings.

I'm sure you have as well,

where a dealer has taken it and marked up $15,000 with a stuff on it.

And it's a $60,000 prayer.

What I'm worried about is doing that and making them not sell.

And so Honda goes,

see what happens when we lean into enthusiast car.

That's what I'm worried about.

And it isn't really enthusiast car.

It's the enthusiast Prius.

But when we drove the Civic hybrid and we actually praised it

because that chassis is really good,

you asked for essentially what they're building in the prelude.

You were like,

let's take this,

make a better suspension,

and this kind of stuff better tires.

And it would be interesting.

That's what they've done.

I'm not sure who the buyer is,

but I do think the buyer is a commuter first.

And so that's what will go to be interesting.

We talked about that car a lot for having never driven it yet.

Anyway, that's going to come back around.

There's going to be some cool comparisons.

And Honda's going,

great.

Great.

Talk about our car.

Yeah.

Of course they are.

Yes.

Bring back buttons is back again.

When do we feel cars become more dangerous?

There's a trend in his questions, by the way.

Oh, too much tech doing the steering or older cars

than a collated,

antiquated designs.

Far less safety.

You protect you.

When do we feel they became more dangerous?

I think the 90s, 2000s,

actually the early 2000s airbag tech was pretty good.

And we weren't having self driving much yet.

That's a nice place where it was kind of doing all of the above.

But you can turn off most of the automatic steering stuff.

There's stuff like auto break and that kind of thing.

Auto break really hates how close we get cars together

when we win a film.

They hate it really hates that.

We've had cars auto break on us before.

The problem is, as we have cars do more for us,

we lose the skill to understand how to move the car ourselves.

I think people are potentially not as good drivers

because of all the safety systems.

But that's just where we are.

You are for and a lot of letters after that.

Thanks for all the great work.

Thank you for writing.

Really appreciate it.

We've helped them buy a couple of cars that are absolutely loved.

The question is with early to mid 2000s cars being so good,

I fork out the cash for brand new ones.

Certainly warranty, certainly power, certainly features

that those old 2000s cars just don't have.

Certainly the mystery and scariness of maintenance

and what's going to fail and the parts of availability for those cars.

I mean, not just general maintenance, but what if a screen fails

or a major part, a major component that is not as readily available?

Drive train components, mechanical stuff usually is.

But what about some major kind of thing?

That's always a mystery.

Some buyers embrace that.

Other people are going, you know, I'd rather have a new car warranty

and it's a new tech.

But then there's, you know, there's no guarantee there either.

But yeah, again, what are you looking for?

That kind of old analog visceral feel.

Do you want something with a lot of features?

By the way, I just have to say there was a Cadillac CT5 Blackwing,

the Blackwing at our recent Thunder Hill event.

That thing is cool looking.

Looks amazing, sounds amazing.

It's huge.

But it's just, it has presence.

It was black, blacked out when those black wheels.

It was just sinister and it was sitting right

and it just looked really good.

It was just, I want to drive the CT5 now.

Eastern was there for his first ever track days.

Girlfriend got on a track day with hooked on driving.

And he had an amazing time.

I love seeing that car out there.

We've had the Cadillac B Club join a lot of our hooked on driving events.

We love that.

That's really cool.

The Mr. Surns has getting married, buying his first house

and starting a family soon needs one dead car to rule them all

with a $50,000 budget.

I'm going to stop you right there.

Hang on.

Starting a family soon.

I hate to bring biology into the discussion,

but you're at least nine months away from needing this car.

That's okay.

And what other cars do you have in your life?

You're, you're years away from needing one that has legitimate back seats.

Why are we buying this car now?

But I'm still going to answer your question.

$50,000 budget.

Four seats.

We're real drive.

Not a CUV.

The CT4V black wing.

The Julia Quadrifoli, which I love or something else.

You've got to throw the BMWs in there.

You have to drive the M3 in spite of the V-per-T.

You have to drive it.

It's very good.

You, uh, you know what you should do.

You should drive.

It's not real real drive.

You should drive the Integra type S.

And the Honda Civic type R.

That's good.

Yeah.

And see if they surprise you.

Because those are manual transmission back into the discussion,

which is wonderful.

I love the Julia.

That's not a surprise to anybody.

So it's definitely on the list.

And depending upon your usage.

Yes, you should drive the Ionic 5 in.

Not it.

It's an SUV.

But it's, it's a very good one.

And you should drive the Model 3 performance.

I think you should drive those at least and consider them.

Got a question here from Ray Lowe.

Ray.

Great to meet you this weekend, man.

Thank you for jumping on.

I really appreciate a question.

Ray is asking if the current wave of MR2 rumors feels more legitimate

than the usual biennial circulation of MR2 information.

It's not quite done with BRZ.

But wonder if a new MR2 would be a better follow-up than a Supra or a GT4.

You know, you want a GT4, you just.

Right.

But you know what?

That MR2.

If they.

If they do it, that is the.

Cayman.

That Porsche is pivoting to build.

Hmm.

Okay.

All right.

By pivoting.

Well, I guess the EV version of the next Cayman will still be coming out, apparently.

We'll see.

But the one that they're pivoting to include the ice version of it.

Then I think the MR2 could be sweet because, you know, then.

JRMN and GRMN or the GRMR2, whatever they're going to call it.

They're what?

They're apparently like.

Reserving tons of names for all over the world.

I hope it is a thing.

I really do.

Yeah.

Car.

They could really be leaders in that affordable mid-engine category.

Well, there's a gap in the lineup there.

And with this new GR GT that's going to be super expensive.

Where's the affordable other Toyota performance car?

I mean, look, they are starting to stack the deck like Ford did in the early 2000s.

Toyota is about to have one at every price point, which is really cool.

Edward says, loves the show and podcast.

Thank you, man.

Really appreciate it.

He says, I should have kept my 300 ZX twin turbo.

I would have.

I would love to still have this car, but I mean, money's a thing, man.

Budget's a thing.

So I moved on in that regard.

If money were no object, I would buy that car back from the current owner.

If he ever sells it, he's supposed to call me first.

I know Rob knows that.

He knows that.

I love it.

And I would love to still have it.

But I probably wouldn't be driving it much.

And I hate to have a car.

I'm not driving.

But man, it was great.

Man.

More good stuff.

Thank you, guys, for the questions.

Always.

Oh, by the way, the added to the Mr. Cern was the Chevy SS.

You liked that.

Of course, that's a great one.

I normally bring that up.

And I thank you for reminding me of it.

That's an excellent excellent in there.

Jeremy, you're saying there's Jeremy saying that he doesn't think there's enough space

for another Toyota sports car under the 80 to 100,000 mark.

Then what about the four runner in the Land Cruiser?

Fair point.

Well, but they step on each other constantly all over the place.

Those are going to sell a lot because of the names.

Yeah, fair.

So MR2 is the name.

And it doesn't matter.

Super is the name.

They can step on each other all day long or runner in Land Cruiser proving that.

I also wonder if the MR2, I hate to say this is going to be priced above the Super and below the GRGT.

So GR86.

That high.

GRGT 6.

Super.

MR2.

GRGT.

I wonder if it's going to be a $70,000 car.

I really do wonder if that's what would happen.

We'll see.

I don't know.

Yes, Asa.

I did.

Somebody explain that to me.

Just this weekend, the Doug Demiro came in GT4 Nexus theory.

If you haven't seen that, it's worth a watch.

It is the.

What is it?

Yeah, the nebulous that the Nexus for everything that is sports cars.

I did hear that.

And.

Yeah, I'm, I'm in agreement.

So.

It's good.

We've got so much.

We're probably going to close it down here fairly soon.

But you guys have been bombarding us with great questions.

And I do love it.

Let's see.

We've got more, more still coming in.

What car would we love to own that others would be surprised?

I bring it up.

I've mentioned it before.

I don't have any reason for a Ram TRX.

I'm not a truck guy.

But I would own a Ram TRX.

It's ridiculous.

I also have toyed with the idea.

And I haven't driven one.

And we're going to in the future.

Our shopping app of owning a Suzua V y across.

But I'm actually not sure that my wife would let me in the house if I showed up with a

Suzua V across.

She finds them so abhorrent.

I think she might change the locks.

But I think they're funny.

So anyway, there's that.

I had a funny encounter with that recent Hyundai Santa Cruz that we had.

My neighbor said it looked like an inflated brat.

OK, all right, yeah.

Yeah, she's not wrong.

That's true.

Let's see.

When else are we going to run through here real quick.?

What's the card that I would love to drive?

I mean, I'm currently in a CT5 V blackwing mode.

Okay, that's current.

I love it.

That's good.

It's just good stuff.

Oh, and there's just cool look in this.

There's some cool comparisons coming this next year.

We're very excited about that.

The one case says, answering, since you've got a watch question,

he's given me a film question.

All right.

Which high definition media print of Lord of the Rings is the one

that I think is the closest to the theatrical prints I worked

on in the early 2000s.

The reality is that a digital projection doesn't look

like film with a ball behind it.

It doesn't.

It actually typically looks more balanced,

edge to edge on the screen.

I'm going geeky, but edge to edge on the screen,

it looks more balanced, and it also typically is brighter.

The sharpness is accomplished by pixels

and the definition of the projector.

So lots of things be very hard to do it.

What you'd have to do here, I'm going to be really geeky.

You'd have to figure out somebody that's doing an original

negative print screening.

I don't even know if they're doing those anymore.

Those are the masters, and those are really cool,

but I can't imagine those are going to be a screen

every time soon, but having said that,

what I do like about digital projection across the board

is you can go into your small local hometown theater

or the biggest megaplex in the biggest city,

and the projection quality is pretty similar.

With prints, it was all over the map.

And very often it was like a little hotspot.

This is how geeky I was during Lord of the Rings.

I went home for Christmas, and my parents went with me.

We went and watched Twin Towers, okay, the two towers.

And we went and watched that, and I was so annoyed

by the quality of the projection.

I went out to the lobby and told them how to fix it.

Because I did, I was like, I cannot stand this.

And I know what happens.

It's not like I'm missing in the movie.

It's out there's like, guys, here's what's wrong.

This bulb needs to be fixed and you change this.

And they've changed it a tiny bit over the course in screening,

but the fact that we're in digital projection

makes it much more even.

Good question from Krono or Sheeran151.

Thank you for the super chat.

Really appreciate it.

Fellon Norge's life a driver here.

What personal driving goals do we both set for ourselves

each year when we take our annual trip to the spa

and the ring?

For the ring, it's memorization.

It is connecting corners, it is through lines

and continuing to refine the corners.

I feel confident with quite a few corners on the ring now,

there's some that I just need to work on.

The latter third, when I exit the carousel

and I'm headed up the hill,

that section right there.

Clopped it up to the top and then.

Exactly right.

There's always like, oh yes,

because my brain has gotten to carousel

and I've clicked things through and then,

okay, reset my brain.

Yeah, so I don't have a

some device in my head to reset as I'm doing carousel

and then move on up,

but it's not always necessarily speed.

I think it's fluidity because we know smooth is fast.

So it's working the corners

and I just want to remember things about corners.

And same thing with spa, I love spa so much

but I want to always work on O'Roo's.

That is so thrilling, daunting, satisfying.

It's such a thing, it's such a crazy cool thing.

This is a great question actually

because it makes me realize there are two goals

I've never actually publicly stated,

but I'm gonna state them now

that I actually have started to have

the last couple of years

when we go back and drive the ring

and the ring is my favorite track in the world

to this point.

So I love a good canyon road

and so the ring is like that.

So I love it.

I like to get as many people as I can

riding right seat with me

and I will talk through the lap

what I'm using as reference as I drive the lap.

I'll call out my reference

and what I love is when somebody riding right seat

finds a reference out of my reference points

that they connect with

and they're able to use going forward.

I love that so much.

I also really like, because I love driving it

but I also really like riding right seat and instructing.

Not a guy that really seeks out instructing

but something about the ring it just speaks to me

and I like riding right seat

and talking people through the lap

because there's so much going on

and I get so overwhelming

and I've kind of gotten into my brain now.

And I just like sharing that experience with people

so much.

I'll go out in the ring by myself.

I'll drive the sim on the ring like crazy.

I love it.

I enjoy it.

But there's something about that shared experience.

It's really, really fun.

Come on our trip because the pilgrimage trip is amazing.

Great, agreed.

Man, it keeps coming.

Thank you all.

Really appreciate it.

Oh, man.

Yeah.

We're teasing you.

We continue to tease you

and actually invite you

on our future trips.

2026 is really turning out pretty awesome.

We're really excited.

I mean, for the stuff that we have planned

our heads are already in 2026.

We've got a great calendar of dates nationwide

hooked on driving.com everywhere.

All the regions we've got the pre-grid

passed currently on sale until January 15th, 2026.

And then yeah, we've got some great plans

for the pilgrimage trip.

That's probably gonna be later in the year

but it's going to be really awesome.

If you've been thinking about it,

you've heard us for now just over a decade,

talk about the pilgrimage trip.

Definitely come with us.

It's just so interesting and fun.

And my dad always says you always learn something.

Whenever you go on trips like this,

whenever you go out, you always learn stuff.

So we would definitely want you on trips with us.

Devina, I'm calling you out.

Devina Duckworth says you'd love to see Mazda put their new

3.3 liter inline six turbo engine

something sporty.

Absolutely.

Where is that straight six in something sporty?

And that should be the engine

in that ionic SP thing tease of the next rotary.

Just put the straight six in it.

Just put the straight six and let's all enjoy it.

I know the rotary is your science project

but we need to move on.

And that engine's just begging to be in a sports car.

I totally agree with that.

You guys are awesome.

Thank you for being with us on all these questions.

This is really, really wonderful stuff.

Sorry about the backup camera

but we're glad to be with you anyway.

We will solve that for the next live.

It's a whole other thing.

But we will be back in studio with our normal studio things.

Next week we're going to close out the year strong

with our last podcast of the year coming out Christmas week.

Then we're going to skip the week after Christmas

the very last week of the year.

So we're going to do kind of a retrospective

and what's coming up in the year ahead

on our next podcast.

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But also adventures coming up with us in the next year

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Yeah, for sure.

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It's going to be so good.

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We're very excited.

Yeah, for sure.

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