Most Brutal Form of Racing with Jordon Smith and More | Stacking Pennies

Hey, friends.

Jolson, Stag and Penny's here, part of the joy alongside Ryan Flores' packed show, because

we have a lot of stuff to talk about with Michigan.

But first off, we've been trying to spread our wings.

We've talked to some NASCAR hall famers, and Jimmy Johnson, and Jeff Gordon, and we talk

a little bit about V8 supercars, and F1, Nindy cars, and something I've always had a massive

appreciation for is Supercross.

Those guys are animals.

Dude, and we're not trying to spread our wings.

We were spreading them, right?

Mattie Gordon last week, we've had a diverse group of just racers, not just NASCAR, but

there's so much cool racing going on, right?

And NASCAR is spreading its wings.

Guys like Cleetus and Travis Pastrana and other people coming into the sport, we've seen

Kevin Magnussen's going to run.

Oh, fire me up.

But I had a great conversation with Jordan Smith.

You weren't here.

You were wearing carbon fiber cowboy hat in Nashville.

Well, a couple weeks ago, I went to the ACMs.

Red Eye got the lead, got pushed back.

That got the lead the more.

I didn't get back here until like six o'clock on Monday.

So Kyron, the other handsome fellow with a mustache, took my seat and chopped it up with

Jordan Smith.

Yeah, me and Kyron had a great conversation with Jordan Smith.

Really opened up our eyes.

He rides for Triumph, Triumph's a new team.

We talked about new teams in starting a new team in motocross.

His journey is a North Carolina guy, and it was a really good conversation.

Excited for you guys to hear that.

Learn a little bit more about motocross and everything that goes into it and just be a

better motorsports fan because of it.

But before that, dude, I hate I really hate I miss it because I've been like, you know,

I'm a Cooper Cooper web fan, but back, you know, Ricky Carmichael, like the goat.

Oh, man.

He came through Ricky Carmichael, the arena cross a little bit.

He's kind of done a lot of really cool stuff.

He gets in the weeds.

Bubba Stewart.

He's a great parent thing.

He just had a baby.

Congrats, Jordan.

Hey.

On the new baby.

And yeah, but before we get there, man, let's touch on Michigan real quick.

I think there's a lot to touch on Michigan.

Another top 10 day for our Mopar Ram taken away late Nashville last week.

I don't even think we talked about it.

Nashville on a restart would like tend to go.

Ben Rhodes had a loose wheel, hit me up the racetrack.

We got flat right side tires, finished wherever.

Should have finished about seventh.

Here, Michigan, we anticipated being real draggy because that's one of the struggles

we have with this Ram is that the nose is pretty draggy.

And we can try to get the back of the truck down.

We can try to knock as much drag out as we can.

But what we're fighting against is the Tooters forwards and Chevy's.

Can't hide the car in the car.

Can't hide.

That's the first thing to see is the air.

Yep.

We have now probably seven different nose submissions where they continue to knock

drag out, where they continue to add down force.

Can you say those guys other teams?

Other teams because they haven't changed truck rules in 10 years.

They come in and they did one nose submission like, hey, this looks like a Ram 1500.

Just take it.

We don't have time to get something better yet.

There were in the middle of working on some a nose submission, hopefully end of the year,

maybe next year.

They got to do something about the bodies on the trucks.

Not to get too deep in the weeds.

I saw they had 34 ripping the thing apart.

They sent a nice truck home last week.

It's the Wild West right now.

They need a composite body like an O'Reilly's car.

It's got to happen.

But it's not coming.

It's not coming, but it's got to.

I know.

Call five star.

Go get one of them trucks that they race at Hickory.

Dude, I'm telling you.

Put that truck body on it.

I'm with you.

I agree.

I think also NASCAR knows that they need to tighten up the reins on the bodies too, because

that's inherently what you're racing against, is guys, what you can get through tech is

what you got.

Nonetheless, we started spinning out loose.

We again, throw rounds at it, track bar down, wedge out of the right rear, and got it going.

Five ball way up, 76 somewhere in there.

Racing around Chris Bell, racing around Ricky Stenhouse.

We had to finish right in between those guys.

I let Chris, I had some debris on my grill.

I was running six with like six to go.

I'm like, damn, we're going to finish six.

Love that.

Got a hot dog wrapper or something on my grill.

It went to 265.

So I let Chris Bell buy to get behind him, got her off the grill.

And then, of course, he's not going to let me buy.

I'm going to race in and I'm a couple of trucks back.

And I go into three at about 190 miles an hour and the right tire goes flat.

How'd that feel?

Good thing you got interliners.

Does it?

Yeah.

Okay.

Yeah.

I mean, all crossed up, right?

Bring it in.

They put right side tires on it.

And the truck fenders, the quarter panels are so tight, like literally on the tire.

And we didn't have any damage on our truck.

The quarter panel from the air blew to where it was like barely touching the tire.

And the quarter panel got hot.

You know how it turns like blue, kind of blues the quarter.

And then it started to like gum, like some rubber started to stick to it.

And it started to like create this big rubber kind of gumball where they're, and then just

start building up, building up.

And it's literally war a hole in the sidewall.

So come in, put right side tires on it, went back out three to go.

We lost a lap.

Now the rubber had built up even more.

Cut that tire down.

Pit with one to go.

Yeah.

So that was one of like, geez, Christ, man, two weeks in a row.

We could have.

It's a five on the line.

Yeah.

We could have had, I mean, not that we're looking at points, but we look at owner's points.

Because I think we're the 10s the best Ram truck.

We could have been 25 points.

Well, the tough part with the Rams right now that I see for you is that they don't have

the speed to make up a small mistake.

You have to be perfect.

That's true.

And you've done a great job, a punch above the weight class, but there's still some

works to do in the speed of the Rams.

So another cool thing through the Ram connection went to Stellantis HQ on Thursday.

So we threw, I flew up there Thursday, all the drivers, they, it's in, you flew into

Detroit, it's up in Pontiac about an hour north and 15,000 people.

It's the biggest, Stellantis HQ is the biggest, second largest building under one roof behind

the Pentagon.

It's a building.

And it's where they, it's where they develop the Viper.

It's where they build every new model of a Jeep or Ram or Alfa Romeo.

Like it was sick.

Lots of cars coming out.

A lot of cars coming out.

And Mark Trossel, he's like the brains and the artists behind SRT, like anything that's

coming out, new body builds.

And it's, this isn't, this isn't like private.

This is public, the murmurs of a Dodge Copperhead.

Buddy.

What the hell is that?

It's like the next Viper thing.

And there's, you know, there's stuff on online.

You can kind of see what people's idea of what it might be.

It's gnarlier than that.

My neighbor.

So they, they pulled the cover off this thing, bro.

Oh.

So sick.

My neighbor has a prowler.

Oh yeah.

With exposed front tires.

Modified.

Chrysler Prowler.

Yeah.

You need one of them.

That's what you need to get as your comfort.

I'll tell you this.

I am saving up my money to buy one of those Copperheads when they come out.

Love that.

It is sick.

And we got to tour.

So they had this thing called the dome where they have all the 34 year models of

these cars that they're coming out with new Jeep models, new Ram models.

They get the Ram charger coming out.

They've got all the like buddy in the new charge, the charger.

Oh my God.

It's so, so sick.

I can't even talk about it because it's got some, some bits on it that people will know

that it's a charger.

That's cool.

From years past.

That was a really cool experience and it got me fired up for what their future is as

a company.

So that was pretty cool.

We signed 2,500 autographs.

It's two and a half hours straight.

It was a sign of autographs.

It's cool to meet some people, shake some hands, kiss some babies.

I think they had 300 people out on Friday at the truck race as well.

And we had a real good day.

Go south real quick, unfortunately.

But that was fine.

Yeah.

Well, what was cool though was another great cup race.

So I mean, that's too exciting.

Prime brings the heat, man.

These guys, I don't know what happens, but Nashville was a great race.

Solidale Jr.

Say something about it.

Reminded him of an old Bristol, all the problems.

And then Michigan, man, it's crazy.

It gets off the rails real quick.

That was crazy.

Even though Denny Hamlin won by about a country mile, it was a great race.

11.2 seconds to see it.

That's crazy.

It is crazy.

But it was a great race.

A lot of moving and shaking, a lot of drama and practice leading into the race about tires,

who's tires are going to fail, and then crashes, craziness, strategy, all led to it being a

great product for you guys to talk about.

There was less strategy in terms of fuel conservation and playing guys trying to stretch it than

usual.

I'll just help that.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, because there was just two separate nine car incidents.

That's usually something you don't see at Michigan.

Man Carson catching a lot of heat.

He was catching a lot of heat.

Because yeah, he caused wreck.

He'll have that.

Yeah, but it was, you know, like I look at it, his body of work, of, you know, couple

instances when something like that happens, they pile it on.

You and I know if you watch the view from the top of the windshield for the roof camera,

you can see those guys stacking from the driver's seat.

From the driver's seat, you can't see him.

So he was already committed to going three wide.

They checked.

He missed it.

I mean, Blaney had a similar incident coming to the checkered last week.

Caused a large wreck.

He didn't get it piled on him.

If Carson would have done that, it would have been, oh, this kid's reckless, right?

So it goes to full.

I've gotten the peak behind the curtain the last three weeks, changed the tires for Carson.

Man, this guy's seventh in points, right?

We talk about that six place window, 6767 being your champions.

Yeah.

Reddix starting to lose a little bit of momentum.

Like that is Carson said at one of our meetings, he said, look guys, the 77 team is closer

to a championship team than it isn't.

Then a just a 16th place team.

And the challenge for the 77 team now is to carry themselves like that.

The road crew is great.

Carson does a great job.

Luke does a great job.

It's our job as a pit crew to carry that weight and grow into that.

So it's been fun, man.

It's been a lot like being on the 12 car for the first time.

So I've got to work with now Carl Edwards at the Coke 600 in addition to last year.

Mark Martin last week at Nashville, which the industry was super fired up to see him.

I mean, he had his guns popping out.

He had a real tight white T shirt on.

How was it walking through the garage with him?

You get to kind of do a garage walk and see all the old guys and hear the conversations.

Well, we've got our four or five guys we're going to be talking about before our pre-race

show.

So we walked over, Martin Truex and I walked into the 77 truck, talked to Carson for a bit

just to get a gauge on where his head's at, what he's thinking, what we kind of want to

touch on.

But to go around and talk with Mark with Alan Gustafson and Jeff Gordon.

And we just went up in these different guys' hallers and people love that guy, man.

People love him, fans love him because you don't see him out and about a whole lot.

Martin Truex has not changed at all.

Like wants to be in the garage the least amount of time possible.

He wants to do his job and go home.

He's introvert for sure.

Yeah.

So, we've got our first truck story, Ryan Truex, Phoenix, his last race.

Martin comes on Pit Road and we've all drank beers with Dale Jr. this and that.

Like at the end of the race, end of their career.

Ryan went to go be with his brother on Pit Road at the end of the race, his Martin's

last race before he retired at Phoenix.

Went to go see him.

Martin had already got out of the car and left.

No sentimental, no thank yous, just see ya.

He's not a sentimental guy.

And he hasn't been back to the track since.

Good to see Martin.

I wouldn't leave the Jersey Shore either.

I had to leave the Jersey Shore this weekend.

I'd be burnt too.

He's got quite the deal set up up there, seems like.

So yeah, he's crushing it.

It was cool to work with him.

It's really been fascinating to me though to like, you've got three Hall of Famers.

Martin Truex will be a Hall of Famer if he's not yet.

But he will be.

Like to see how these guys operate.

And they're all unique in their own way.

And they're all very particular about their things, of how they want it to be.

So that's cool to see, you know, Carl, really rigid, structured guy.

Mark kind of doing his own thing.

And he's just like naturally gifted and very aware of like himself and his situation.

Martin Truex, he's a very smart guy that he, I don't think you get the credit for how intelligent

that fellow is.

So that was cool to see of like how he's listening and how he's paying attention.

Like, you got to peel some layers back with that guy though.

You got to peel some layers.

You got to peel some layers back with him.

He keeps it all close to the chest, which I respect.

So we got Brad coming in as like a driver slash analyst at Pocono.

And we got Jeff Gordon for San Diego.

So that'll be cool.

So you got two more left.

Two more.

Cool.

So yeah, Prime's been a blast man.

Hopefully the fans have been enjoying that.

I made the acrylic top.

Saw that.

Made the table, stacked it on some tires.

Made it happen.

Yeah.

And then they set it right in the front stretch for after the race.

That was cool.

So I'm going to be here with Denny again after his win.

Just, I don't think you can give him enough flowers.

What that guy's doing is amazing.

Now they have a superior competitive advantage right now to it as in general.

One thing you get to do with the guests is you get to sit in the bus and watch the race

with Mark Martin, Martin Truex.

Who was the most animated watching during the race?

Everybody's in the booth, but you guys are watching the race to keep up.

Everybody's into it.

Nobody's.

He's paying attention.

I was probably on my phone more than he was.

Really?

Yeah.

And what about Mark Martin?

Same.

Mark in the bus was asking more questions on how these cars drive.

Right.

Like why do they do that?

What's this era position feel like?

What's this left first stop?

How does it drive when it's on it?

Because he's never driven a next gen car.

Obviously Martin has.

So he was just watching the race, how it ebbs and flows and he's just like, like, Martin

knows Mark or Martin Truex.

He said multiple times like, I could get in a car today and I can go win.

Which as a race driver, you have to have that confidence.

Like if you lost that, then of course that's when you stopped doing it.

But he's like, yeah, I see you know, Denny having success.

I got, I can do that, but I don't want to mess with it.

Yeah.

All right, cool man.

I realize and you were standing there, you don't realize how much you miss out on and

how much more you miss out on.

Of a normal life.

So I'm glad that he's been there, been able to enjoy it.

Well, you put the blinders on.

Chase and.

Any racer.

We'll talk to Jordan Smith about it here in a minute, right?

Any racer you have to be all in if you want to be at the highest level.

It's not a hobby.

It's a job.

It's real deal and it's really good.

It takes all you got to be the best that you can possibly be.

I didn't want to shift gears into Jordan's interview here before we talked about Chris

Bell's crash, dude.

Oh, buddy.

What?

I haven't.

What?

Chunked it, bro.

That was one of the largest, most violent wrecks I've ever seen.

And, and you know, like I saw some comments that it looked like an Indy car wreck.

That's exactly what it looked like.

Yeah.

So I saw some people talking about, you know, wanting more sidewall on the tire, wanting

this.

It is what it is.

It's like, you know, on the razor's edge, everybody's running.

I mean, you saw Carson overstep.

But people are going to bitch just to bitch because they don't know the effects of any

particular thing they're asking for.

You're racing, man.

You're on brand new tires at Michigan going 198 miles an hour into the corner.

When something happens, you're going to hit the fence a ton.

Well, and just Chase just got crossed up and just pop.

And then like even Carson, right?

He was running second or third, missed it in three and four, went back to like ninth,

had to recharge and restart.

So it's just crazy.

Michigan is one of the places where the risk and reward, you see it down the

straightaway line dependent where you run.

But man, Christopher Bell, I mean, those were the two strongest, two of the strongest

cars all day to be out like that.

Shout out to a couple of shadows, legacy.

Ford is going to be hauling and ask the race come up there, run really well.

It is just it's crazy to see these teams like building, getting the right people

in place, getting faster.

And and there's just a lot of players in the game.

Martin and I both stood up like when I got bounced because all you see is this

car just rife on it to the fence.

And you're like, dude, I haven't seen that car, a car going that fast at that

angle in a while.

Twenty car.

Yeah.

Back to that crash.

Like that's a that's a 75 G hit.

Somebody posted a picture of Chris Bell, like a paparazzi shot of him walking

to the plane with his wrist taped up.

Yeah.

Which I've, dude, I wrecked a Bowman Gray and I have a picture on my phone and

my we're going, I don't know, 35, 40 on there and my hand punched the mirror.

Like just ripped it off the wheel, punched a mirror.

So like you got to think that these are violent car accidents.

Your hands, your legs get thrown around, your feet get in the pedal, your head

gets smashed around.

So they were like, I didn't see Chris Bell's in car, but like, I'm sure his hands

got blown off the way, punched the dashboard or like stuff like that that you

don't think about that he's dealing with right now.

And today, you know, whether not just be the head stuff, but banging his legs,

his shoulders, everything.

Yeah.

So, so I think Joe Gibbs said yesterday, hopefully his, his wrist and his ankle are

good enough to compete this weekend at Pocono.

And that's a brain and his brain.

I mean, buddy, let me like people just, they want to, they want to like hammer the

car, hang on a second.

The car is the safest one it's ever been.

Now you people can point to certain injuries that NASCAR now is softening the

clips up and we've made some new headrests, foam that's, that's helped some

dampen those vibrations.

But when you're, when a car is going 190 miles an hour and hits something

stationary, it's going to hurt no matter what you're driving.

And that type of wreck 15 years ago, somebody's getting cut out of that car.

Yeah.

So we, these cars are safe regardless of, you know, the anonymous people on

Twitter, if they have other opinions of that, but that, that was scary.

And hopefully he, he's all good.

I felt that one.

Dude, I'll tell you what, we get in the weeds here with Jordan Smith about

crashing motocross and how hurt, how injuries deal with and those guys crash

not on anybody.

So yeah, we, we jump on in.

Let's go ahead.

Uh, I'm going to, I'm going to see my way out and y'all are going to listen to

Kieran and Ryan talk to Jordan Smith, 450 supercross racer, talk about all

things dirt bikes.

More coming up after this.

What is up stacking pennies fans?

There is no Corey LaJoy today.

He is stuck in Las Vegas with all his country music fans and Carl Edwards, but

we have the man Jordan Smith factory rider for triumph and supercross here with

us.

We've been working on a supercross crossover.

We're going to talk all things motor sports from the all star race to supercross

to Indy 500 qualifying.

Let's go.

Stacking them deep selling them cheap.

It tastes like gasoline, rubber and victory.

Where's that here?

Stacking.

What is up stacking pennies fans?

A little bit of a, a little bit of a hitch in our plan today.

Corey, our fearless leader got stuck in Las Vegas.

He was out there for what the country music awards deal with Amazon Prime.

He had a carbon fiber cowboy hat.

Cool as hell.

He said he missed his flight.

I feel like he just wanted to hang out with Carl Edwards for an extra day, but

nonetheless, I'm Ryan Flores joined today by executive producer, Kieran Barron.

We had Jordan Smith.

Really excited to have you.

Thanks for coming in.

Yeah, man.

Thanks for having me.

Man, you got a really cool story.

Your local guy here in North Carolina, which I love to hear the, the network.

We're a NASCAR podcast first, but we like all forms of motor sports.

Did you catch any of the all star race yesterday?

I watched the first two stages and then I got iracing and I was like, I'm going to

go irace for what's your irace of choice.

I've been driving a bunch of that.

I ride a car.

Love that.

Yep.

Love that.

So I changed tires in the O'Reilly series now for Rajah, Karruth 88.

Kyle Larson drives sometimes kind of a rotating band of drivers.

Tough weekend for my man, Rajah, running second and kind of got into Jesse love.

It's, I thought, so Danny Stockman, I don't know if you're familiar with like

Caletus and all them, but Danny has become downforce Danny and he is a very

passionate crew chief.

And I was like, Oh no, these guys might, they might be, Rajah was getting into a

Jesse love a couple of times.

I'm like, they might be coming down here to fight.

We might want to be ready for this.

But thank God they were, they were pretty, they didn't say anything to us about it.

Felt bad for Raj.

But the, the all star race, I'm gonna be honest.

I didn't really understand the format.

I don't know if you did or not, but like, I'm in it.

I know what they were trying to do because Dover for us and we'll get into

super cross tracks and everything, but that's like a track that has to go

through its natural progressions and have a long race because of the concrete

surface, the rubber gets pulled up and they actually sprayed it from top to

bottom.

We have this sticky spray more or less that gives the track more grip.

So we saw on the O'Reilly race, some guys running up the track and it ended

up being a really good race.

The cup race though, a lot of the heavy hitters got wrecked early and it was

dude, that hit by a priest.

That remind, remind me like a super cross wreck.

And just saw a Lugano.

We were just at this, I was telling them, we were just at this, my daughter

graduating second grade and saw Lugano there and he hit a ton too.

That a lot of guys came out of that, like their bells wrong.

But Danny Hamlin, dude, he's everybody kind of, he

was the biggest odds were in his favor and he delivered.

So what was your, would you ever been, you ever been a Dover?

I've not been to Dover now.

I wouldn't ask our tracks we've been to.

Been to Charlotte.

It was a kid though.

We also raced at Charlotte the last couple of years, but at the drag

trip.

At the drag strip.

Yep.

And then I went to the Chicago street course last year, went to Talladega fall

race last year and spring race this year.

Oh, did you go to Boulevard?

I did not.

No, this year we just rolled up like I literally flew in.

Left airport straight there and rolled up like to like right as opening ceremony.

Where'd you fly into there?

Atlanta.

Well, I flew into Atlanta.

That's where it's like about an hour and 40 minute.

And you're based in Atlanta?

Yeah, just south of Atlanta.

Yep.

And that's where your team space too?

Or yeah, yep.

Practice tracks.

Yeah, it's about an hour and a half south of Atlanta where our tracks are.

So, so when I grew up, my best friend was a kid by the name of Cody Kessler, New

Jersey guy, his dad, Mickey Kessler was a house rider and they were motocross family.

My dad raced motocross at English town up there.

And Cody actually had won Loretta Lens.

He'd done pretty good.

He's a little bit older.

How old is he?

Do you know?

He's probably 37, 36, 37.

I definitely know the name.

Yeah, he's won Daytona a couple of years ago, like the amateur section.

Now he does really good.

He still rides a lot.

I didn't go the dirt bike route because when I was like four or five years old,

I just whiskey throttled.

He had a track at his house.

I just whiskey throttled one through the trees, like my little PW 50.

My dad was like, yeah, we're going to get you a cage.

We're going to go.

We're going to go car racing.

I couldn't figure out the hand throttle stuff.

A couple other things to tie a bow on this weekend.

Corey Terrible started off just went a lap down, I think, just running terribly.

I kind of turned on his radio like, what the hell's going on here?

He was getting out around Clint Boyer, hasn't raced in years.

He was Clint was his teammate because of the dodge deal.

Broken lug nuts into his race, right?

A loose wheel and he just drove it long enough to where it broke the studs off.

So that way they were done.

But they made an adjustment and he drove back into the top 10 and a little

fuel saving got him like eighth.

So that was a good day.

And that's kind of why he's there, right?

To be the veteran voice for reason.

He's been a little journeyman like yourself.

No.

And then on the Indy car side, Indy 500.

Have you ever been Indy?

I got to go when because we race in Indy.

You race in the dome there.

Yep.

Yeah.

We were there.

We also race an outdoor race in Crawfordsville, Indiana.

So it's like about an hour away, I think.

I've never seen a race there, but I got to go visit the track.

I never got to see the Indy cars go around that place.

But, you know, we've been there in NASCAR the last 20 years.

It's been it's been awesome to go to.

But the Indy cars, dude, there's something so special about Indy 500

qualifying because they're doing 235 miles an hour.

Alex Palau gets the pole.

He is like a guy right now.

Well, Catherine Lege had a great run, too.

So Catherine Lege, she is doing the double this year.

Pretty inspirational.

I don't know if you'd much about Catherine or not.

She drove that Delta Wing car.

She's been around IMSA and she's just making her way.

And she's super cool.

A friend of the show here.

She qualified in.

She's in 24.

She wasn't quite as fast as she wanted to be doing that double man for anybody's

hard. So I'm excited to see if she can complete both of them.

It's been kind of set our man Larson back a couple of years ago.

New documentary coming out on prime on Kyle Larson versus the double,

which I think it documents both years and talking to Kyle.

He was a little nervous about it.

It didn't go well.

So he was like, man, I don't know how they're going to make this look good.

And after watching it, he said he felt like it was better because of all the

adversity he had to overcome.

No one. Listen, it's a great story when someone goes and wins both things,

but like, we can't really relate to that.

Well, every good movie has some adversity, right?

Yeah. Well, when you're human, it's good to see these guys that are like super

heroes to be on a human level and deal with the problems and figure out how to

get better. But let's jump into some super cross and motocross stuff.

Because I was a huge fan.

My dad and all his buddies, they would go to UNIDIL every year and they said

UNIDIL is just crazy. And, you know, I grew up a huge motocross fan.

You grew up in Belmont.

What got you into motocross or where you're at now?

Well, my dad had nothing to do with dirt bikes or anything.

Like we were a dirt bike family.

My grandpa and my mom's side of the family live in Hickory and has a lot of land up there

or in Vale. And they have some land.

My uncle raced four wheelers in the woods, hair scramble stuff

in a local series around here called the Mid East hair scramble.

I'd go as a little kid, 34 years old and just watch the bikes and four

wheelers all day long.

The ones in the woods?

Yep. OK. So yeah, the wood racing stuff.

So he did that. My grandpa sent my mom home with my uncle's first dirt bike.

It was like a 1979 J.R. 50 and my mom brought it home.

Told my dad to get it running.

So he got it running, started riding.

I started racing those wood races first.

Did that for a little while, maybe six months to a year before I did my first

motocross race at the time here in the area.

We had a great little motocross series, like local motocross series called the J.M.X.

series. We raced in Shelby at the Fairgrounds.

This track called Parker Valley up near Hickory kind of.

And we raced at a track called Top Gun in Lincolnton.

So it was just those three tracks.

They did a spring and a fall series one day.

One of the one of the other.

I was doing pretty good at those.

Went in a lot of them and one of the dads was told my dad, like, hey, man,

you need to let him try for Loretas.

My dad's like, was Loretas.

And he's like, God, it's like a big amateur national.

Like there's a qualifier at Parker Valley.

You should sign him up.

So we did.

And then I didn't make it at the first one the first year, but then we just kind

of it just snowballed and here we are.

You know, it's pretty, pretty crazy.

My dad's a golf course superintendent in the area.

So we're at Skybrook.

Oh, dude, that's right by my house.

We go there all the time.

Yeah. So he's over a lot.

A lot of the courses in the area for the company they work for.

He's like a regional superintendent, but his golf, his main.

Yeah, let's go.

Let's go. I get you out there.

You're a bit of a golfer, aren't you, Sia?

I mean, I get my money's worth because I take a lot of shots.

That's for sure.

I get to hit a lot of balls.

And then I even have the little thing in my bag where I get the

go get the ball out of the water.

That's how much I if there's water, my ball is going in it.

I know kind of youth sports.

You have a daughter, too.

What is a series like that?

You said it's broken up in like spring and fall.

How many races is that?

If I had to guess, it was probably about 99 races per per season.

If I had to guess, we probably visited each one about three times.

So the Parker Valley race was more of a bigger track, motocross style,

where the other two were kind of more like super cross style tracks.

And they have lights at them.

So they were night races.

The Park Valley track was a day race.

And then the Shelby race, we would do one race a year during the fair.

During the fair.

It was that was a big deal.

That was a big deal.

Like every little kid's fine.

Win the fair race.

Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

A couple of times, a couple of times that was that was fun.

I mean, you're like, get off the track straight to the fair,

going to ride rides, you know, that was just a blast.

So nothing better than a good old fashioned fairgrounds.

There was actually an oval track at the Shelby fairgrounds, too.

They still do like demolition derbies on it.

And those old and we still have a couple of NASCAR tracks that were fairgrounds.

Tracks like Richmond's one of them.

You go to Milwaukee and you could tell like those old school

covered grandstands, killer fairgrounds races for our NASCAR fans,

because this will be on serious XM channel 90 as well.

Like explain like supercross what you think we would miss and like how it all

works with the season and then supercross and outdoor motocross.

Just give me a layman's terms for all of our fans on like how it all works

and what to follow.

Basically, there's two different series that kind of make up one series now.

We have supercross that runs from January till May to the beginning of May.

Like we just finished the supercross season.

That's stadium races for the most part.

We do race at Daytona in the grass there in between Pit Lane and

and the finish start finish line.

But most of them are in baseball, football, stadiums, brilliant rains at Daytona.

Those pictures and videos from there 2008.

It's like iconic, though. It is.

So yeah, so those are like tighter tracks, more

not necessarily more skill, but there's more technique,

more precision and timing involved in supercross, not as high speeds,

but bigger jumps and stuff.

And then now we're switching gears into the pro motocross part of the season.

We race the same bikes.

It's the same bikes for both series.

The only difference is may change gearing a little bit.

The speeds are a lot higher in the motocross series.

It's more shocks and springs since the last week.

We it's softer actually.

Yeah, for outdoors because the supercross stuff is really steep jumps, like very steep.

We used to go when we would race at Lana and shout out to supercross

because when we started, we would race at Lana and supercross would be there too.

So everybody would go from the garage would close and we'd all go over there.

And I remember going on the track and being like,

oh, this is you'd like standing on the whoops in there taller and you're like,

this does not look like that on TV.

No, because of the whoops sections.

And then if you ride a supercross track perfect all the time,

you could ride it on motocross suspension.

Pretty fun. But it's like the second you come up a foot short

and it's like this and you're casing it.

So we go softer suspension for outdoors motocross stuff.

And then so we race that from the end of May until the end of August.

There are 17 rounds of supercross two weekends off, 11 rounds of outdoors.

And then we have a playoff system that just started three years ago, I believe.

This will be our fourth year, the super motocross playoffs.

So top 20 in the points from supercross and motocross combined in each class.

We have a 250 and a 450 class.

They qualify straight into the playoffs.

And then I believe there's two.

They have a last chance qualifier that two people get to qualify in each week.

Big prize money for us, especially from the promoters.

A lot more prize money than there's ever been for us.

So the 450 winner gets a million dollars

and in that the 250 winner gets 500 and then trickles down from there.

Yeah. So that's that's a lot of fun.

It's been been fun having to having the playoffs and kind of having that, you know,

those three races.

So first place gets 25 points, 23, 22 and then on down.

And then the first race is single points.

The second race is double points and the third race is triple points.

So it's kind of any one's game for the most part going into that last round.

Now, 250 is four fifties like our cup series, right?

And there's one champion.

250 is like the O'Reilly series, but it's separated into East and West.

And the supercross.

Yeah, just supercross.

Yeah, outdoors.

They run all 11 rounds and the SMX everyone's together as well.

So yeah, it's basically four fifties like the cup series, two fifties like O'Reilly.

And how many and how many rounds of supercross?

There's 17, 17 supercross, 11.

Outdoors. Outdoors.

Yeah. What's it like to ride at night?

Like when you say because you go and see the div, it's like how sketchy is that?

Yeah. So in the stadiums, like football stadiums, baseball stadiums,

the lighting is so good, like you really don't even know.

Like it's so bright in there, but Daytona. Oh, man.

It is not like it can be. Yeah, it can be gnarly.

Like the track kind of runs long ways in that grass field.

And if you're looking from Pit road to the start, finish line,

all the way down on the right hand side, the lighting is always not very good right there.

And it that dirt's real, that black sand, it gets really rutted up.

And you can't see the bottom of the ruts like because that, you know,

the lights are coming down and shadowing in them.

And you're just going off of these jumps with no idea what's underneath,

like what you're taking off of. It's changing. And it changed.

Yeah. I mean, I just moved up to the 450 class this year for the first time.

The bikes are so powerful in the 450 class and dude,

the track changes every lap so much, especially at Daytona,

like the dirt is just so soft and just we have very different kinds of dirt,

like going from race to race and city to city.

And they typically use the same dirt each year in that city.

So like you kind of get used to it.

You know what you're getting, like going into Indianapolis, always soft.

Like can be softer some years because of rain or snow,

whenever they bring it in, but no matter what, it's going to be soft.

Daytona always going to be that black sand, really rutted up, really gnarly.

You go out, we just finished in Salt Lake City in Denver,

always super hard packed, like dry, deserty dirt.

Now they take that dirt when they're done with it and then they bring it to,

like they rent like a field somewhere more or less and they store it.

Do they use since Supercross is owned by Felmead, right?

And they own Monster Jam too.

I wonder, do they use the same dirt?

Yeah. So typically we race one weekend and then Monster Jam either races

the weekend before us or the weekend after us, typically so that they kind of,

they don't necessarily have to.

Eco-friendly.

Yeah. And then it depends if they race before us.

It had, I feel like it's not as big of a deal as it was maybe 10 years ago.

But if they race before us, the base, because you've got the monster trucks on it,

the whole time packing it down a lot is way harder than if we race before them.

So is there like what race would you say has the most challenging dirt?

Yeah, probably Indianapolis for Supercross, Indianapolis or Seattle.

Really?

Yeah, Seattle is like it always rains at least once as they're building it or the

day of the race or whatever.

So it's always super soft and rutted.

So like when you go out and you know, you're out of track,

you have a base setup just like we would with a car.

Like how many changes, how many rounds of practice do you get and then what kind of

changes and how many changes will you make to your bike judging off practice?

It depends.

It could be a lot.

It could be not many.

So so this year was my first year on the 450.

It was also Triumph's first season with the 450.

Super cool that they came back to you and we'll dive into that pretty deep when we get there.

Really cool.

So for us, we were making a lot of changes all year long.

Like we were changing constantly, trying to kind of, I came in injured too.

Like I didn't have a whole lot of time on the bike.

So I wasn't 100% comfortable.

So chasing a little bit of trying to get me comfortable and whenever you're happy and

everything's going good, like you may make a click or two here on suspension, like not

big changes, right?

But if you're struggling, you could be taking shocks on forks off.

I mean, making complete, yeah, complete changes.

So yeah, it just, it really just depends.

How superstitious are you guys?

Some people are super superstitious.

I'm not.

The only thing that I do is I put my right knee brace on first every time.

That's about it.

Yeah, but some people like, I mean, like their whole right side or they got to drop

their helmet before a lot of people drop their helmet before they ride by accident.

No, on purpose.

Yeah, it's like drop.

Right.

Men's just did it.

Yeah, it's like a brand new helmet painted like you drop it on the ground like instead

of like if you the superstition is if you don't, you'll crash it.

Oh man, my buddy off axis, Greg, he paints a lot of helmets.

I think he paints a bunch for bar.

He painted a bunch for Barsha when JGR had it.

He did all their stuff, but he would cringe.

Yeah.

Well, sorry, Greg.

It's good to scratch it there.

Well, you know, I've had enough where I dropped it anyways and and still crashed.

And I'm like, it doesn't work.

So you spoke about injuries and you came in injured this year, man.

And that's it seems like it's always it's not if it's when.

What are the biggest things like that that get dirt bike riders?

Obviously the falling, but is there like a is it the whoop sections?

Is it not jumping far enough?

And then like, what are the what's your gnarliest injury as well?

You just never know, right?

Like on like where you're going to crash, when you're going to crash, like it can happen

anytime and no matter like how fast or slow you're going.

So like last year, I dislocated my shoulder at the last round of the playoffs.

We were racing at the drag strip there in Vegas across the street from the from the

NASCAR track.

I had a big crash.

I there was a set of rollers and I swapped and got ejected off of the bike and like

flew like out of probably 15 feet in there.

The really crazy you've seen it.

Yeah.

It's like helicopter and do the air.

Dislocated my shoulder knew that I did.

I've done it one done it before.

They put it back in like right there on the side of the track.

Like it was only out for maybe like a minute, maybe.

And on the side of the track, like hold still.

Yeah.

Bite my bite your right.

The wall.

There's a you can see it in the video too.

I don't know if you watch the whole thing, but like if you keep watching the video,

like you can they show like you can see my shoulder going back in the second.

But I raced that that night.

How sore was it?

There was that day it was sore, but not too bad.

But the next week, I mean, I couldn't they give you and you don't have the

answer if you want, but do they give you like, yeah, I'm going to pick your guy forever.

So like if you're something hurts, like you can go get some toward all.

Yeah, we have toward all that we can get vitamin T and some some that overuse it

might call it.

But yeah, I mean, it can really happen at any time.

Coming back from my shorter injury this year, I went to Rod.

Yeah, we got the crash here right here.

This is it.

Yeah.

This is unqualifying.

Oh.

Oh, goodness.

You jumped right up.

I did.

And then that's just reaction.

Like, I'm okay.

Yeah, I'm not good.

I'm like, yeah, my arm's hanging.

I'm not good.

Oh, no.

Can't move it.

So they got their arm around you.

Yeah, there you are.

Breathing.

Boop.

You see it pop in right there.

Wow.

That's got to be scary there because you're sitting there.

Like the first thing when you fall and I think about this, even as just a picker guy,

right?

Of like, if I take a big spill, ride a mountain bike or drive my race cars and

something hurts, I'm like, it's my career over.

Like that's got to be every time you bail, you got to like get up and like, am I good?

Can I keep going?

Or like, yeah, you had a big crash early on too.

I've had a lot of big crashes.

Yeah.

It's part of it.

Yeah, it's part of it.

And I've definitely had my fair share.

We all know a lot of people in the sport that have been paralyzed and stuff.

One of our good friends and really good rider last year, Jerry Robin got paralyzed

and it's a tough swear.

You just never know what's going to happen.

Are you guys tough or are you guys dumb?

Both.

Yeah, maybe more dumb than tough, but most of us are pretty tough though, man.

God, you got to be to do that.

And just the just the physicality of, you know, not just crashing, but just

running those races, the arm pump.

What is the biggest strain on the body in those races?

So arm pumps, a big deal for some people, like it never bothers

them.

Like for me, arm pump, I got it my whole career.

Had arm pump surgery to try to fix it.

I got what is that?

What is arm pump?

Arm pump.

So arm pump, you're holding onto the grips.

You're obviously twisting the throttle using the clutch and the break.

So like from holding on, you're like holding back your, your forearms pump up.

So basically it's like you're the fascia around the muscle won't expand far enough

for your forearm muscle.

So your forearm muscle kind of gets restricted.

The blood flow gets restricted.

The surgery, they go in and they cut the fascia.

No way.

And so that it lets, but then over time scar tissue goes back.

Doesn't work.

So I've also got Botox done on my arms.

Is that something a lot of people do?

It's pretty new over the past 34 years, I think.

Like Tommy Johns for a picture.

There's a doctor in Wyoming.

He's like the only one that does it.

What's a heart and ref?

What's his?

Yeah, Brandon Hart.

So Brandon, his dad skip.

Yep.

My dad was the guy who was a BMX racer in town that would load his truck up when

he was 18 and bring all the kids from town BMX racing.

And he started skipping hat and refs career.

Like that's how he got him into it.

So it's cool to see that full circle.

But my dad being a super cross guy, every time I get arm pump racing, you're

like, you're just holding on too tight, loosen up a grip.

But like, I don't know how you don't hold on that tight.

I mean, people told me like, oh, you're holding on, dude.

I'm like, I don't care what I do.

Like I'm, I can't not get it.

Yeah.

I had to, I mean, it was like to the point where like I was at one point, you

know, our races are 20, 20 laps ish, give or take main events in supercross.

And I would be four laps in and like Ken barely used the clutch and the break.

Like, like if I didn't have those, like I probably would have not been able to

like keep racing at the level that one too, just because it was getting so bad.

So how much are you working clutch, front brake, rear brake?

Like, like how much are you working those tools through the whole race?

You on the front brake more, the rear brake more, is it just dependent?

Yeah, it's definitely dependent.

Most of the braking power comes from the front brake.

Rear brake is a little bit more control.

You'll kind of drag rear brake to kind of try to keep the rear kind of tracking

on the ground a little bit.

Rear brake a lot in the air.

If you like jump front and high a little bit, you tap the rear brake.

And rear brake is your is your right foot,

front brake is your right hand, right hand and clutch is your left hand.

Yeah.

So you're your two fingers because that's how one I do 11 on both.

Yeah.

11

I do two for my clutch on the start just for a little bit more feel.

But yeah, but one everywhere else.

But like in the air, whenever you hit the brake in the air, you'll stall it if you

don't pull the clutch in.

So you're like, oh, stall of motor.

I learned that like the first time I rode a bike with the clutch, hit the brake in

the air, stalled it, almost crashed.

We had these gnarly go karts that we raced at Millbridge for a little while.

I actually got mine from Dungey.

I actually went to Dungey's house and picked it up.

They had one that he didn't use anymore.

A friend of ours was like, yeah, go get this thing.

So we drove down there, picked it up from him, but it had a 450.

Some of the guys had 500, but it was a go cart with a 500 and a wing on top of it.

And the amount that you would have to use the clutch and keep it on the pipe, like it

was so tricky just in a car.

So like how much are you working the clutch throughout the race in a dirt bike?

Yeah.

So and like whenever I was in the 250 class and I'm one of the bigger guys for the 250 class,

you're a bigger guy for 250s.

Yeah.

Like not not the biggest, but like a lot of the guys are like a little shorter than

me and like probably 15 pounds less than me.

What's the dirt bike way?

To 15 to 20.

I mean, I was having a pastrana, right?

He's a bigger guy, but he was a little bit scrawny.

Erwin before he got where he's now he's huge now.

Yeah.

But like I didn't realize, does it advantageous for you to be smaller?

Because it's a lighter weight.

It can be on 250 for sure.

Like, I mean, they say like seven or eight pounds is a horsepower.

And like in the 450 class, you're not you have too much power like people are detuning.

Like some people say they run stock engines.

We have mod engines, but we tune them down a little bit sometimes.

So some of the truth is a little slight of hand.

Yeah.

Stop.

You can buy this at the show.

Yeah.

So but now the 450, I mean, even stock for 50s are fast.

So in the 250 class, you're like looking for more power.

So the clutch wise on the 250, like you're trying to build power with the clutch

constantly like in the turns trying to get to RPMs up or else the RPMs will drop a lot.

In the 450 class, you're kind of controlling power with the clutch.

Like you might use it more down a straightaway to keep the front in from wheeling.

Really?

So you're on it that much?

Yeah, quite a bit.

Yeah.

I mean, we'll burn up clutches like in a moto and five gears, five gears.

Yep.

So do you have a gear indicator to know where you're at or is that just all?

So you just, yeah, just kind of for the most part, we ride most of the time

in second, third gear, most of the time.

Yeah.

So do you take fourth and fifth out when you're running some factory

transmissions only have four gears?

They take fifth out of some of them.

Yeah.

For the most part, we do get up into fifth gear sometimes for the

whoop sections and stuff because you're really lugging it.

But from whoop to whoop, you rev out a lot.

So you want that bike to keep pulling.

So you're constantly shifting though, for sure.

Like sometimes some bikes more than others.

It's crazy.

So like what would you say, like 15 times a lap, you think, or more or less?

Can be more on a supercross track on a 450, you pretty much are in second gear

everywhere other than the whoops.

So you're really only shifting maybe two or three times a lot.

But on an outdoor track, you're going down to first gear sometimes or second gear

and maybe all the way up to fourth gear on the straightaway.

So you could be on outdoor tracks, you could be shifting at least at least

15, 20 times a lot.

So you mentioned you went you ran 250, you're super successful on 250,

moved to 450 this year.

I have a lot of buddies that race, sprint cars, right?

And they say it's almost harder when they're used to a 410 going back to the

360 because like the motor helps you pull out of bad situations.

Are the 450s and 250s just a thing that's easier and harder?

Yeah, for sure.

I mean, kind of the same thing.

Like you can be a little lazy on the 450, but I've raced 250 my whole career.

You know, like that's what I was used to.

I've spent some time on 450s and I've always liked them.

I always felt like it kind of smoothed me out a little bit.

At the end of the day, like even like the triumph, 250 and 450 is the same chassis.

Like it's just a different engine in the same chassis, basically.

So handling wise, I get still at it, but I get just faster, you know?

So it is nice, like especially in the supercross season, like typically

like making some of the jumps out of the turns, like the triples

that like right out of turns on a 250, it's like all you got.

Where 450 is a lot nicer to make it over those jumps, for sure.

So you've spoken a lot about triumph coming back and you would you start with

Geico? Yeah, I went to Geico, went to TLDKTM.

Then went to Procirca and then I lost my factory ride.

After Procirca, I spent two years hurt pretty much the whole time.

Went to a small privateer team called Firepower Honda.

Got to ride with Starr Yamaha.

I rode there for two years and then just been on triumph now.

So when did you start your professional career?

18. 18. So you've been doing it for 12 years now.

Yeah. And I signed with Geico.

I had two year amateur, two year pro with Geico.

So like you said, you got hurt and lost your ride.

Is that something where if you get hurt, you're always at risk of someone

taking your spot? Is that? Yeah, for sure.

I had been doing really good.

Like my first two years in the sport and with Geico were pretty rough.

Like I never was really jelling with the bike and stuff.

And I just I didn't put in a lot of good results.

I had one podium my second year.

I actually had another two years with Geico.

I just wasn't working out with the team very well.

Like it was a separate contract.

And I knew one of the owners really well.

I've known him since I was like 12, the same Ziggy.

And I called him one day and I was like Ziggy, like I just.

I think I want to go.

I think I want to get out of my contract and do something else.

I didn't have any other anything else lined up, but I just was kind of betting on myself.

Like some of the guys didn't I felt like didn't believe in me at the team.

And so I went to TLD and KTM and I won my first Supercross that year.

And about halfway through the year really came alive.

And I went into the last round points leader of Supercross in 2017.

It was me, Zach Osborne and Jerry Savacci.

I was one point ahead of them.

They were tied right behind me.

It's a really iconic race because Osborne ended up coming back and taking out

Savacci with two turns to go from a first turn crash.

But before that, I was leading them to and I had a huge crash like coming in Vegas.

We race in San Boid Stadium and we would go out the backside of it and then come back in.

Yeah, it was like just like the monster jammed us.

Yep. Yeah. And it was just like a long straight.

You're just like fourth gear wide open.

But I had a GoPro on and it had GPS on it.

And I was going like 60 miles an hour off this like little ski single.

And I just got like a weird kick and crashed like going 60 and just ragdoll.

Destroyed my bike. I was all beat up.

And then battle for the championship again in 2018.

And then 2019, I hurt my wrist at like the second round of Supercross.

Tried to race through it, ended up not working.

Right or left. My right wrist.

Yeah, that means even harder.

Yeah, it was. We couldn't like figure out what it wasn't broken.

Got an MRI. I didn't show anything, but like it was super painful.

I took two surgeries to get that kind of figured out and finally got it somewhat better.

And Bonesburg, what did you have?

It was it was there was some injury and I got like a ton of scar tissue around the tendon here.

There was so much that it had my tendon stuck to my bone.

So like every time I would try to like couldn't see in an MRI.

So every time I would try to like move my wrist,

it was just pulling on that tendon on the bone.

Many surgeries have you had, bro?

A lot. Yeah. You lose.

I don't. Yeah, I don't know a lot.

What's your morning routine then getting up?

How much pain is there? What is this like a third?

It just depends. It's been a I've had a couple of rough crashes.

The last half of the supercross.

I'm pretty sore right now, waking up.

But I mean, I get to a point where I wake up and I'm all right,

but I probably won't be in about another 20 years or so.

But I don't think anybody ever gets in the supercross or motocross for the longevity of it.

No, no, definitely not.

So then so I had that wrist injury in 2019

and I ended up basically missing the whole year 2019.

And then I switched to Percer at Kawasaki

and they're one of the most prestigious teams probably in the history of the 250 class

and tore my ACL, think my third race, third or fourth race with them.

So I missed the rest of that season, came back the next year, fourth race that year.

In a heat race, I think it was a heat race,

got into a crash with another guy, got cross jumped and we collided in the air,

went down, dislocated my shoulder, missed that whole year.

So I basically spent like three years on the sidelines.

At the end of that year, there was just really no rides available.

Like everyone was already kind of locked in.

Yeah, I ended up going to a privateer team

and not very often do guys go from a factory team to a privateer

and make it back to factory team.

I was able to do it.

What are the biggest differences?

And I didn't realize like tire, like there's a lot.

It's just like being on a cup team, right?

If you have factory back and you're doing what are the biggest differences?

In the motocross world from a factory team to a privateer team.

The resources and budget of the game.

What are your restart? Is it motor?

Is it chassis?

Is it like I heard that they don't even get the same tires, right?

Some of the smaller privateer teams will get the factory tires.

A lot of the pro guys get factory tires.

You know, if you're on one of those smaller teams,

you don't have, you know, all the guys building

like the engines for most of the teams are done in house,

like most of the factory teams.

They're getting every bit of that engine out.

In 250, that's got to be huge.

In 250, it's huge.

Yeah. So then on a privateer team,

you're typically paying an engine builder that does like customer stuff as well

to build you engines.

Same with suspension.

You know, you're probably paying a suspension company to do your suspension

where on a factory team, we have a suspension guy every single day

that's dedicated to us with a whole umbrella of other suspension guys.

At that company that are helping him, you know.

So you got Dino's suspension, Dino's chassis, Dino's that you're not going to have

at a smaller privateer team.

They still you can still compete on them, but it's definitely a lot tougher.

I mean, it's the same as you go from, you know, one of the big big teams

in NASCAR and you go down to a smaller team.

So same thing, just the resources and all the data.

You got other teammates and stuff and years and years of them building that stuff.

So it sounds like you have a lot of crossover between well,

there's a lot of crossover, just NASCAR, other motorsports with supercross.

If you could fix something or bring more fans,

I've never been to a supercross race and I've been a lot of every piece of race.

I've been to Red Bull Rhythm. That's the closest I've got.

Straight rhythm. Straight rhythm.

Yes, the one in Costa Mesa.

Yeah. I think that was the first one, Pastrana.

And who was he against? It was sick.

It's wild, but I've never been to a supercross.

How would you get more of us into it?

We're trying to do that. We're working on it.

You know, we got some, feel like some pretty good stars in the sport and stuff.

It's one of those things, right?

It's hard to get new people into some of those sports.

I think, you know, NASCAR is the same way, right?

It's like hard to like how and you change things and try to make it better

and sometimes it's better worse, you know, like you never know

what's going to work, what's and then it's hard to I think NASCAR

probably kind of does the same thing.

It's you're trying to bring new fans in without pissing off the guys that have been there for,

you know, the core, the hardcore fan that's been there forever.

But I think that our sport sometimes can be difficult with the supercross and motocross

like trying to explain the difference that it's really it's one sport,

but it's different sports.

Roads, horses, oval.

Yeah, it's just it's really hard, right?

Like it's like, yeah, you guys having an oval season and a road course season,

but it's the same thing.

So I think now having the playoffs, the SMX playoffs,

it kind of brings that in together.

And that's where before it was always like completely separate,

like supercross didn't talk about motocross and motocross didn't talk about supercross,

like they're owned by separate companies.

Now they have combined interest in the playoffs, like it's failed and

in exports, which is pro motocross is together in that we're all under one TV package.

We're all on Peacock.

So every race is on Peacock live.

So it's a lot easier to find, you know, before motocross was on like Mavv TV sometimes or this or that.

Like that's one for a while.

Yeah, yeah.

So it's, you know, I think that we're doing a good job of getting new people in the sport,

but it's like a lot of people don't understand what it is until they go for the first time.

Right? Like it's so it's we have you're creating such a more appreciation for it.

When you sit there and you watch it and you pay attention to the interest,

like the interest concease of it.

It's like, I think Corey always equates it to like a hockey game, right?

You can watch the hockey on TV, but until you go and it's like, whoa, this is crazy.

But you touched on like your your journey is fascinating, right?

And Corey and I have a lot of the same kind of journeymen trying to find spots.

How did you land on this opportunity with Triumph?

I'm from here, but I was living down in South Georgia at a training facility

that I moved to whenever I was like 12 years old, around 2020.

Star Yamaha moved from California.

They moved their base to Kera, Georgia at Ricky Carmichael's old compound.

They bought that, built a big shop.

My gear on firepower at the end of Supercross, Bobby Reagan, the owner called me

like, hey, boy, when you come around the bike, you know,

so I come over there and rode the bike and signed with them and was there for two years

and did pretty good, held the red plate, was in the championship battle in in 24.

Now, the red plate is points leader, right?

Points leader, yeah, held the red plate for a few rounds, had a bad race at Seattle,

was running second and we were talking about the soft ruts and caught foot pegs

off the face of a jump and knocked the breath out of myself and went from second

with three or four laps to go back to I think I ended up like 14th or something.

I lost a bunch of points there.

So I ended up third in the championship at the end of that year, that second year on Star.

They were offering me a one year deal with a second year option.

And I felt like I had deserved earned two year deal.

And Triumph had reached out and they had only it was that was their first year.

25 was their first year as a race team.

So they've been developing the bike, a bunch of guys that I knew had went there

kind of two years before they even went racing.

And they pretty much built that the whole program from the ground up brand new bike,

a bunch of good engineers, a bunch of good engine guys and stuff.

And I had known them.

So I knew that it was a good program, but you're like brand new bike, you know,

but they got the the other guy that was racing for them the first year,

Jaleek Swole did pretty good on the bike, especially for being a first year bike.

He had some really good finishes.

I just felt like it was a good opportunity for me.

I've always been one that enjoys the grind.

Like even whenever I was on that privateer team, like it was a brand new bike.

Like I was racing almost a stock bike at one point because we were just

wanting a lot of parts that Honda had came out with a new bike.

And I enjoyed the grind of like being able to build it.

I wanted them kind of and like you go to a lot of those other bigger

teams, Star per circuit, like they've won a lot of races.

They're like, here's what we got. This wins. Go, you know, go race it.

Like, and it's like sometimes that's not what you always like.

Everyone rides differently.

Everyone wants a different setup.

So I felt like it was a good opportunity for me to get in with Triumph early.

Yeah. After talking to the guys at the team, the bigger guys that are over in the UK,

like there's a super family atmosphere atmosphere.

And I just felt like for me, there was more of a future there.

And I felt like the bike was good enough that I could go and compete on it.

And a lot of people didn't believe that necessarily whenever I went there.

But but I did. And yeah, the first year we came out podium, the first race on it.

Got the first podium for him in Supercross.

And then finished third at the first round, had a tip over early in the race

and came back, got third, got second Tommy tip over.

Tommy tip over Tommy tip.

Got second, the second round fourth.

And then I won the fourth round.

Got the first win in Glenville and Glenville.

Yeah, Glendale, Arizona.

Is that the who plays cardinals?

The Cardinals. So we stay next to that.

That's a big ass building.

We stay right there in Westgate, wherever we race there.

That's one of the best stadiums because it's so big.

We get like a lot longer track, lanes there.

So the tracks are that much day because there's Anaheim's baseball stadium.

So we start out a lot of baseball because football is still playing.

So if any teams in the playoffs, you would maybe not get to go there.

So we start off with some baseball stadiums.

I think Glendale is usually our first.

Well, we go to San Diego.

We play in a college where we race in a college stadium there, football.

And then we're racing on a military base in San Diego here a couple of weeks.

Yeah, you guys might need to put one on an aircraft.

Yeah, maybe. Maybe. So talk.

That's about it.

It would be bad if you launched and fell off into the ocean.

Yeah, I had to have some scuba divers out there.

Yeah, so I won there in Glendale and was a couple points out of the championship

lead and was leading. We had a triple crown.

So we have like 14 of the 17 rounds or regular main events, like 15 plus one.

We have three races a year in Supercross that are called triple crowns

and their three 10 minute main events or motos or whatever you want to call them.

And it's like a combined score for the three.

I was leading the first one and last lap.

Got a swap in the loops that we feel slick and went down super hard and broke some ribs.

Are the loops the worst place to crash?

Yeah, there's there's never a good crash.

You just end up on that bounce off of you're just so committed to him.

Like when something goes wrong, you just have to stay committed and hope for the best.

Hope it strains itself out.

Yeah, had a big crash there, broke 54 or five ribs.

How many ribs do we have seven?

No, well, I think there's like seven on each side.

Yeah, there's like we got like 15 ribs or something.

But yeah, they're all my left side puncture along last year, my spleen.

I was in the hospital for a night and so then championship run was there after that one.

But oh, well, it's cool.

Like and you know, that's those that's what stacking pennies about, right?

The small wins and there's a lot of careers.

And we talked about this about the Larson documentary at the start, right?

There's a lot of careers that you see guys be on a good team.

Like a Denny Hamlin, right?

He's been with Gibbs his whole career, 160 races.

That's great. And that's really respectable.

But I love the guys that it may be something happens and they move on

and our plan doesn't go according to plan and they go to a smaller team.

But like that, that is and that's a tale.

We see it with guys like Ryan Priest and we see the guys on the cup side.

Quite a bit guys that go back down, come back up, switch teams and timing

in motor sports and the people around you.

And there was a case years and years ago,

Junior Johnson hiring, going out and hiring all the best people for Daryl

Walter, superstars at every position.

And it was an absolute dumpster fire because everybody was like an alpha male

and they all want to do their own way.

So it's it's really rare when you can get the right guys pulling the rope

in the right direction.

And when that happens, you know, the timing works out perfectly.

Little story behind stacking pennies is and Corey was really struggling.

He was driving for teams that were really slow and felt like he should have been

doing better and he couldn't quantify being any better by finishing position.

So they had to do small stuff, right?

Right.

Like be the best at rolling pit road speed.

It was all these little things.

Be the best to get in your pit box on restarts, like hit your shifts.

Right.

It was focusing on the small stuff that's right.

So like when you're going through all this, how does your mentality shift

and what are the small things that you focus on that that go from being good to great?

I mean, yeah, it's like for me.

From 2017 to 2019, like well, going into 2017, maybe not, but about midway through

the year, like I was my goal was to win the championship.

You know, like it was like win races, be on the podium every weekend.

And then 2019, 2020, 2021, that was the goal going into it was hurt the whole time.

Right. And I got, I call it like I had two careers before 2019 from 2015 to 2019.

And then three years that just don't really matter.

And then 2022 and to present time pretty much in those years is all about like, you

know, finishing on the podium.

Right.

Like whenever I got to the firepower, like we got a mod engine two weeks before the first race.

Like we didn't have a suspension guy going all the races, like all this stuff.

So it was like, you know, little things, like you said, stag and pennies, right?

Like we're trying to just take little wins that we can.

Like my biggest goal was like to make it through the season, like not get hurt.

Right.

Like just make every round.

Like I had missed so many races and then going, even going to star, like I didn't

race that summer.

I just, everyone else was racing, but I was just training with them like I was

racing, but I just wasn't getting to go to the races.

I was just training every day throughout the summer.

It can be tough.

Like even this year on the 450.

It's a, it was a tough season for me.

I've been going to races, expecting to win, expecting nothing less than a

podium for years, you know, for the last four years, for sure.

And then going this year, I only had, I think I did 10 or 11 rounds.

I only had one top 10.

And yeah, it was tough.

Like the 450 class is super stacked.

You have 15 or 16 guys in there that have won a 250 championship or.

Yeah.

Basically one 250 championship.

And then you got another eight or 10 of those guys that have won 450 races or

450 championships, you know, so it's super stacked.

It's kind of like the, I saw Connor's Illishes interview after Bristol after he

won the Riley race.

And it's like, he, you know, he said something about, you know, it's nice to

see I still have it, like, you know, because it's been rough running in the

back and it's like, that's kind of how I was like, dude, I relate to that.

Cause like it's been, it was tough.

Like I've finished a lot like past 15th this year, like just from little

crashes and just making mistakes and stuff, you know, so it's pretty tough.

But each in the back of your mind.

Is it me?

Do I still have it?

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Are there different guys that are tougher to race or easier to race for each other?

And then is there like, like what are the big rivalries?

I love, I freaking love it when they pull next to each other, start punching each other.

It's less common now, I think.

You love the rivalry.

You rip the gloves off or I'll tell you what, a real dominant move is when you

grab somebody by the helmet and you start to jerk them around.

I had to happen when I was a little kid and I don't like that at all.

Yeah, we don't have too much of that anymore because the second he did anything

like that, you're disqualified for the race.

What's the equivalent?

So like for us, you get, you get set out a week if you right hook somebody.

Like that's, that's a haymaker.

What's a haymaker in motocross running somebody up off the berm?

No, I mean, dude, there's not like racing wise, there's not much.

Like, I mean, like that'll get you just like sitting out a week.

Like that'll get you suspended.

What's the one that's like untold, but like you don't do that to somebody?

Like that's like the driver code, like the rider code of like, you don't

fricking do that and you know it.

Yeah.

I mean, mainly like cross jumping, like you don't want to cross jump.

Like, because in the air, there's nothing you can do.

Like if you know someone's beside you, you try to keep it straight.

Like no matter how hard you want to keep the position, because it doesn't end

good for either of you.

So like that's the one thing where it's like cross jumping.

And then like you try not like people do it.

It's not as common nowadays as I feel as it was back in the day, but like

t boning someone like where, you know, they're in the turn like this and

you're hitting them like that.

Like that's where you don't want to do, you know, people ride.

Some people ride more aggressive.

Some people take it better than others.

Some people don't take it good.

So it's just always like the guy that was super clean.

Even kill.

Yeah.

He'd like never got into trouble.

Yeah.

The bikes have gotten a lot faster, a lot more powerful.

The track scale up more rotted up now than they did 15, 20 years ago.

And as far as the battles go, I think that it's kind of hurt the battling of the

racing of like the passing back and forth, because it's sometimes can be a bit

like slot car racing, like where you're just like in a rut and you're stuck where

before a berm would have no ruts in it.

Like you could come up and, you know, turn early or run the whole thing.

Like now you're kind of stuck in a rut.

So sometimes to make passes, they have to be a little bit more aggressive now,

where before you could kind of run it up the inside of someone and then stand

them up a little bit and have a little bit of that cat and mouse where now it's

kind of like make a pass and you're on to the next one.

How much of your style has changed since you become a dad?

Mr. became a dad.

Oh, that's a good question.

Not much, honestly.

And if I may, so like in a car, you might be have a sense of safety a little bit.

Yeah.

Right.

Like, but on a bike.

Yep.

Well, you touched on like it's getting a race car.

We have made huge advancements in safety in the last 20 years.

A dirt bike, you can only do so much.

Because you're not strapped to it.

Yeah.

Right.

So Alpine stars for their some of their airbag stuff, some of their safety crews

have been huge in an airbag.

So Alpine Alpine star came out last year.

They've been working on it for a while.

They've been putting sensors on our chest protectors that we wear.

And they came out with the tech air and it's kind of like what the MotoGP guys

run kind of.

So it senses if we're about to crash and blows an airbag to poison airbag like

on certain crashes.

Like it's still in a bit of development phase.

Right.

Like they're still learning and like fine tuning the algorithm of like what

crash you want it to go off in and what you don't want it to.

But yeah, it's saved me a couple of times already.

There's not very many people running it right now.

But me, Justin Barsha, a couple of us are running it.

I mean, it's huge for like probably the biggest safety advancement in a long time

in our sport.

It's great.

Do you run is there stuff that you'll run more safety gear like in practice

than you want to race?

No, pretty much.

Yeah, pretty much all like, yeah, we run boots, knee braces, a chest protector.

But like, but like the airbag stuff that they're still developing.

Like will you run that because you guys probably would how often do you ride

during the week in season two to three days.

And then so in the sketchy part, like you're you're practicing way more than

you're racing.

So I guess there's probably guys that get hurt way more in practice crashes.

So like, is that some is that the place where you'll help Alpine

start develop and do that type of stuff?

Yeah, yeah, yeah, we run that during the week.

Sometimes sometimes not just kind of depends.

Need to damn ejecto Cito.

Yeah, she did.

She was two planes wreckage.

And the eject growlers.

Yeah.

Oh, well, do you see Marquette's crash?

No, what was it?

Pull it up in motor G.P.

This heat.

You are.

I saw the end of the bike.

You yard sale.

You ever you ride just try and give you a bike.

No, no, no.

They didn't give you like a factory vehicle.

We pull up like Tom Cruise.

And he's still more like Steve McQueen.

Yeah, here we go.

Here's Marquez, dude.

So here he goes.

These are so gnarly and just yard sale and then just keeps just limp.

Just ragdolls it home and takes out two riders with them.

Those are the bad ones in Moto G.P.

Because most of the time they're sliding, right?

Yeah.

So the four wheel interest I got like a lot more into NASCAR last year.

Went to a couple races, came friends with Ricky Stenhouse a little bit.

Both use converged media.

So they'll slide job or actually I got you out there doing

CrossFit or not yet.

I've seen him.

He's got all he had.

Like there was like 10 of them running down the side of 150.

A couple like a couple.

Probably like last year and I'm like, Stenhouse, you got 150 acres out there.

Don't why are you running down the side of the road?

You're going to get damn Todd Gill and mowed over here.

He did like, I don't know, it's like a few marathons or half

center row or something.

Gnarly, bro.

He's just got a contract extension too.

Yeah.

But I got iracing in December, then like super into iracing.

Got a few buddies.

We got a little league on Monday nights that we.

Oh, Riley's car.

Yeah, a rally car.

What's your favorite track?

So far, I liked Vegas.

Yeah.

I've played a lot of Dover this week.

Yeah.

Dude, how hard is Dover?

It is tough.

Yeah.

People don't give Dover the credit it deserves.

What surprised you most about so far?

I racing, what's been the biggest surprise?

Because we just turn left.

Yeah.

Well, I feel like there's actually a lot of, especially in the 450

class right now, like there's a lot of similarities like in the race craft.

I think.

Yeah.

Of like, obviously, it's a little different because we're not saving

tire and in motorcraft.

You're saving yourself.

You're saving energy, saving yourself a little bit.

Right.

So it's like in the 450 class right now, there's, you know, 15, 16 guys that are

like could top five that night.

Like whenever you get in some of the like top splits of like on some of those tracks,

it's like a hornet's nest out there and like not pushing too hard to not burn up

your tire, you know, and I think it's cool to like watching.

I understand kind of what the drivers are going through more now after

playing iRacing, you know, and it's so I have a, I might work out some details

of maybe getting to go do an ArchaTest.

Let's go.

Hey, with age comes a cage, brother.

Yeah.

With with Kimmel Racing, maybe in August and.

Who's responsible for that drive?

Yeah.

So 511, they just came, came on board with our team as our title sponsor for

Triumph for the rest of the year.

Then awesome.

So they're coming on board to kind of sponsor that test.

I look nervous and excited too at the same time.

Yeah, I'm definitely nervous.

I don't have any four wheel experience.

I mean, it'll be cool just to have the experience to do it.

You guys always, you guys are so used to leaning on the rear tire.

Momentum too.

Just boat across guys always just lean on the rear tires.

Hey, look, it was really cool.

Ricky came and ran trucks for a while.

He gave it a valiant effort.

He did a good job.

More of that, I think, just overall, just the personalities like Pastrana.

Look, we've done over all the time.

I changed tires for Pastrana.

Did you?

I did.

He hit the fence so hard at Atlanta.

He's a nice guy.

The first race I ever went to, it was, well, Special Greg, his cousin was carrying

tires and then, hey, the guy who builds all the tracks for a kind of country looking

dude and the Uber and Street Bike Tommy went to India and they were all there

like catching tires like we'll do whatever they're like, we want to be part of the pit

crew.

So it was super cool.

But man, he hit the fence.

We blew a tire at Atlanta.

It was our best run we had going and he hit he hit the fence so hard.

I was like, oh, this poor.

And no wonder he has night terrors because that's like one of his mild wrecks.

And for us, I was like, geez, Louise, do you guys, I wanted to ask because we utilize

SIM and iRacing is great.

But like the simulators that GM has and Ford and Toyota, do you guys have has a

motor cross adopted any SIM stuff yet?

Nah, it's just too hard, I think, to like really get the SIM stuff.

I mean, we have like dyno stuff, you know, where they can maybe simulate some

stuff like that, but nothing like you're not going to get set up some stuff.

I don't know, dude, I've been to those.

I've been to the arcade arcade a lot.

I grew up on the Jersey Shore.

I saw a crew riding his flopping back and forth.

I do have some new motor cross like a local pizza shop down in Cairo where I

lived first and brought.

They got some new like motocross simulator thing going there and set the record.

Yeah, I haven't been down there yet since they got it.

But you got to go set the tone for the kids down there.

But we do like, you know, I feel like you guys do, you know, sim throughout the week,

right? Like we just ride like we don't have any restrictions on like our practice.

How much we ride, how much like we just ride a lot.

Like it's a lot of riding.

Well, how much is fitness a big part of it?

Has that changed?

I know NASCAR definitely changed a lot.

Yeah, it's huge.

It's I mean, pretty much everything.

You guys have always been really tapped into that though.

Yeah, ever since like Ricky Carmichael is the one that like really, really started

the fitness. There's always like someone, right?

Like Tiger Woods and golf like was the first one to be like fit and they started

hitting it way further than everyone.

It's the same thing where Ricky Carmichael, like he started that and now like we

work out six to seven days a week.

Like we're every day, like even when we ride, we're doing gym after we're doing a

spin for a warm up and a cool down before and after.

How long of a spin class?

The warm up and cool downs 15, 20 minutes.

I could do that.

But like 45 minute rides, man.

That's what you have on our days off.

We go on like at least an hour.

Recovery ride most most of the time.

So like say, so like a typical, let's say an off season.

Is it like a typical spin class?

Like you like sweat like you don't you don't hop on the little peloton.

No, we're on.

I was going to see I was going to see what.

Oh, you are. Oh, you're actually riding on the road bikes.

Yeah. Oh, yeah.

So we are.

So like a typical like off season week, we'll ride a little ride like Monday,

Tuesday, Thursday, Friday, let's say.

And so we'll ride dirt bikes four days a week.

Yeah. On Wednesday, we'll do like an hour and a half spin.

Bike ride outside.

Road bike ride on on Saturday.

We'll do anywhere from an hour and a half to a three hour road bike ride.

OK. And you said spin.

I thought it was just the bros in there and spandex all.

You got really excited for a second.

No, I have one of my garage and I hate it.

Yeah. So we we spend a lot of time on the road bike.

If we do a lot of kind of just like low high rep, low weight,

like muscular endurance stuff, then doing a lot of swimming, trying to keep the

whole body a little bit easier, you know, low impact.

Yeah.

Who's who's one cup driver or driver you think could make it in Supergross

or put a bike out there?

Is there anyone that comes to mind?

I mean, Ricky has some he has some experience riding.

And you know, you know, the sneaky wheels, a quad is a legato.

I was about to say, legato.

I mean, he is on a quad every day.

A quad. Yeah, that's way different.

I know it's way different.

And he's got a lot of neck.

Quads are like shame for that.

And you know, I can't.

But I stand house.

I could see Stan House doing it.

That big smile.

Do you guys remember whenever you might have been there,

if you came to the Atlanta race, whenever the NASCAR guys lived it?

Yeah. When Boyer put her off into the weeds there, he didn't lift.

He was like, I'm like, he's not going to make it.

How have you seen that?

I haven't. No, no, you need to pull that clip up.

Yeah, you got to pull it up.

She had a start like competition like in the night show.

I think it might have been after practice.

I can't remember. It was before the main.

Who was it? Do you remember?

Yeah, I think it was Boyer.

Was Ricky? I want to say Ricky, maybe Biffle.

It's he put it off into the weeds.

He about went underneath the stadium.

It was it was so under the grandstand.

Funny. It was one of those where he didn't realize how fast he was going.

Yeah.

Yeah, Biffle.

He got so lucky that there was that tough that tough block right there.

Yeah. Oh, yeah.

Yeah. And it was Austin Dillon.

Yeah, Austin Dillon, because I remember Biffle got the whole shot.

I was like, Oh, Biffle. And I was like, Oh, Oh, Clint's not lifting.

And he just kept going.

Oh, my goodness. What a time that was.

That was and I'll tell you what, that was a throwback race.

Yeah. And I think that's where because the next year is when

NASCAR had their first throwbacks.

I think that might be where NASCAR got.

You got to still do the throwback stuff.

No, not like I would be a sick one.

Yeah, throwbacks.

Not not not like they did back then.

And you bring it back.

That's what NASCAR runs its course and everybody runs out and you get to let

it go away for a couple of years.

Then bring it back.

Bring it back.

Sure. Or maybe do it every couple of years.

Yeah. So how would your daughter was born?

2022

So on the way.

Three and a half.

Yeah. And I got a son on the way like any.

Let's go.

And you're here with us.

Yeah.

Hey, guys, pick down.

We got a few names.

We can't really.

We got we got one that we think, but we're not really sure yet.

So we're like, keep kind of going back and forth.

And it's the boy names are hard.

Way harder than the girl.

My name is my kid's name is crew after you ever seen Rad.

No, Jones, BMX.

Maybe you've never seen the movie.

You really hurt feelings right here.

I am.

He's hard.

You're going to ask me like movies.

I'm not.

No, so BMX.

It's an 80s BMX movie called Rad.

Crew Jones is the paper boy that becomes a pro.

And he beats the pro part.

Taylor, but he's got to qualify and you need to watch it.

It'll be your favorite movie you've ever watched.

It's called R.A.D.

Rad and Crew Jones, C.R.U.

Jones. It's the greatest movie ever made.

But I'll tell you this because you're three and I'm my daughter's eight.

My son, six.

Your daughter's probably great, right?

Dude, so much fun.

So much fun.

You're fucked.

For lack of a better term, because my son, the second kid,

and it's a boy, dude, he is going to be a hell-raising.

So what you're saying is not our parenting?

That's why it's so.

No, they're pre-wired.

Dang it.

No, you have.

Yeah.

And you think that.

And I thought that too.

Like my daughter's so good, super advanced, though, we're crushing it.

OK, this is.

And then you go, OK, when the old people, when they meet the old heads

and they're like, you got no idea.

That's when you realize I had no idea.

So best of luck.

And any hopes for them to race?

You're just going to let them do what they want to do.

Yeah, I just let them do what they want to do.

Honestly, like I love them to ride and stuff.

But the racing, I mean, if he wants to race, I mean, if my daughter wants to race,

I'll let her race, maybe.

I don't know.

But I would love to get them in the golf or something.

You know, I'm a big golf person.

The Stasix make it so easy.

So I got them a Stasic early and then Cruz got a quad, electric quad.

It's like, I don't know if it's a Ricky Carmichael or Jeremy McGrath.

It's awesome, but they're electric.

Yeah, it makes it so much easier.

I got my daughter has a little it's called an OSET.

And it's kind of like a Stasic, but they now triumph actually ball.

Oh, set.

They're called Triumph by OSET.

They're a little bit more advanced than Stasix.

They got this front and rear suspension on them and stuff and turn the speeds.

And she was riding it like two and a half years old.

Why let's go.

I don't know.

Because that's what she was.

That's what she do.

Well, let's let's go over to pit bosses.

Yeah.

So we do segment every week.

I'm a picker guy and this week was a huge.

Did you watch a picker competition at all?

A little bit of a sweet.

My yeah.

You think you guys could do that?

Think you could do a pit stop and have it have your guys.

What's the tire way?

No.

No, but you think you guys could have a have a picker challenge for the dirt bike?

There's not much to do, though.

There's not much to do and we could change.

We will change.

Yeah, change the rear wheel.

Well, we only have one.

What about the front tire?

Yeah, I mean, is it quick?

Like, do you guys ever have stuff where you have to pit?

No, not really.

If you do, you're losing a lot, at least minimum.

But I said a goggles.

I did tear off at the first round of Supercross in 2019.

So I came in like feeling the best ever had.

Go out for the site lap, come back and I would always like run and take a

pitch real quick, like in between site lap and and coming back and before the

main starts and we typically have like three to four minutes to do it.

And so I'm running like start walking back.

We had started bikes over and they sound like kind of walking back.

My mechanics like, come on.

Come on.

I'm like, what's I like running?

He's like, hold the bike, hold the bike.

I got a flat tire on the site lap.

And so like we threw it on a stand.

Rear on the gate.

Yeah, rear on the gate and he changed it.

I don't I don't remember exactly how fast it was, but it was just fast enough

because I got on we do a whole shot device.

You know what the whole shot device is?

Yeah, yeah.

Or you you front for a step from I got that locked down because we had the

the card that counts down and then whenever it gets to zero, they turn it

sideways and the gates dropping in five to ten seconds.

We got my whole shot of I sent with eight seconds left on the clock.

Whoa.

And it was like he changed the rear wheel in like 40, 45 seconds, maybe 40 seconds.

And yeah, so that was that's about the most.

If you're having to make changes during the race, you're screwed.

Yeah, we had the Picker challenge is always so cool.

I've been fortunate to be part of it.

Actually, one, the individual part of it in 2011, my buddy, Rick Pidgetten,

as a as a catch can guy, and then just competed in it for the last, I don't know,

15 years.

The best one we ever did was Texas.

We were side by side and we do that.

We finished second in that one, but this week and I kind of picked them.

But the 38 team who is Joe Gibbs backup team actually went out and they had the

fastest stop and won the whole thing.

So there are pit balls to the weak man.

It was awesome to see.

And Zane Smith, I talk a lot about Zane and Zane would be another one.

California kid.

I don't know if he's a dirt bike rider or not, but super laid back, really good.

He did an awesome job executing, getting into his pit stall and leaving because

it's so like called a picker challenge, but it's a lot about the driver too.

Yeah, we saw the last couple of years, the fastest pit stop, then actually

went because the driver didn't do their job getting it out of the stall.

This year, the fastest pit stop and the best driver, both won.

So I wanted to give those guys a shout out.

Fueler, Ray Hernandez, front tire changer, Mike Luria, rear tire changer, Adam

Riley, tire carrier, Jaren Davis and Nate McBride is their Jackman.

George Bulldog, a big old Southern boy.

He, he's been one of the hottest prospects in the whole sport.

And the 38 team, man, I was on series XM channel 90 on Friday with Daniel

Trada on on track, filling in for Liar Mac.

And they're like, who do you think?

It's man, the 20 and the nine, but don't count out these 38 guys.

They've been super fast.

And he's one of the best Jackman on pit road, one of the fastest Jackman on pit

road.

So he's got a long career ahead of him.

And it really cool to see a second year in a row kind of a big team's secondary

team last year, respire 71 team this year.

It was the Joe Gibbs team that pits for front row win that and it's all a lot

of problems for some big teams.

Um, boats and loads.

Yeah.

We had the, the nine team had a left front that wasn't on there to back up the

nine chase Elliott.

Yep.

The biggest bummer of the whole thing was the seven car lost a wheel after they

crossed our finish line in wrecked and it was just the case of new Jackman on

that car this week and the front changer probably used to something different.

He didn't quite stay on it long enough.

It looked like the hang was clean.

So that's going to be a bummer.

Other teammates of mine.

So I hate to hate to even talk about it, but, uh, but that, that pits that man.

It's there's nothing like the nerves for that.

That's so hard.

I, I, uh, got to whenever we had the SMX and Charlotte a couple of years ago, I

got to go to tour Stuart Haas shop.

They let me change, change a wheel on a thing.

I think it was on a single note or five.

Oh yeah.

That's what I do now.

Yeah.

It's tough.

It's impressive.

But you guys do.

It's one this weekend where I had three tights.

And I was like, Oh no, like, cause you make a split second decision on, and the,

the single nut stuff, you pretty much know with your wrist feeling if it's tight

or not.

And if it's not, you have to come back down, but with five nut, like, you're like,

man, I feel like I got four or five.

You can kind of, you kind of have an idea of it.

And I had one.

I was like, that's going to be close.

Cause we were raised for the lead and I watched it, but single nut, it's cut or dry.

It's either a loser.

It's tight.

It's evacuating five nut.

You can be tight, but then shake loose and Dover's the worst place.

Thank God it was tight, but I didn't know like how much to like overtightening.

And then you're getting it back off.

Yeah.

You're getting it off.

It takes a while to get like that.

And whenever I was doing it, I did a few times and like, I didn't feel like I

ever tightened it at all, but it's a split second.

It's way too tight.

Yeah.

You can go and that's like fine tune nonsense.

So like then that's a little penny.

Just act of like air pressure RPM gauges.

What lube you use.

It all changes everything.

So it's just everybody's fighting a different battle.

Right.

And none of it's easy.

Man, I really appreciate you coming to that bump.

Corey couldn't be here.

Like I said, let's, let's go real quick.

Penny promises.

So we do things we guess we talk about who we offer the next races, whether it's

super cross championships, the next 450 stuff coming up where you see your, you

know, next wind coming with someone special to you.

We got Charlotte coming up.

We've indy 500.

Got anyone for those races?

Yeah.

Dude, I don't know.

Like I don't know who runs good in Charlotte, but I mean,

Chase has been running good.

I'm going to, I'm going to go with chase.

Oh, Georgia boys.

Sticking with the Georgia boys.

Yeah, yeah.

We'll go with chase.

Part of the Hendrick under the Hendrick banner now.

So chase wins.

We all get bonuses.

So that's what we want.

Man, I don't know.

I, I feel like I want to stay in the Hendrick camp.

Something good's got to happen for Kyle Larson.

There he's, he's kind of in the Joey Logano situation now.

Yeah, it's over a year, but he also won the championships.

So that makes it a little better.

Yep.

Um, but this is this race last year.

We saw Ross Chastain wrecking practice.

They go back, build a, build a brand new car or work all night.

Start last and the whole race is migrating.

He ended up beating William Byer in there at the end.

It was one of the best races of the year.

And then they do 500 and Monica, the best day of motorsports.

Do you, do you wake up to watch Monica?

Are you into any of that?

No, I'm not.

I haven't got an answer.

You're going to architect.

You're going to have to start watching this stuff.

No, I'm going to have to.

I'm going to have to for sure.

No, I haven't been, I've been, you know, I've been watching a lot of the,

like every Sunday I've watched this year and then been watching, try to watch

some of the Riley on Saturdays, but it's hard being at the races and stuff.

I'm both of the 88 car and all Riley's or, or Sheldon Creed.

He's another super, super cross kid.

Yep.

We always ask one car, one track for the rest of your life for you.

It's going to be one bike and one track for the rest of your life.

What do you ride and where you're riding?

I'm going, try on 450.

Love riding it.

Like I said, you can be a little lazy on the 450.

Yeah.

If I'm going the rest of my life, I don't want to have to be ringing that

250 stack out, right?

And redbud and, and Michigan.

I love it for like a, like a regular prep day.

The, the pro day is like gnarly, super gnarly, not the biggest fan of how they prep it,

but the track itself is just so much fun.

Where's the best party at?

Because Michigan is one of our best parties.

Dude, redbud is crazy.

Michigan dude, Michigan, and there's get after.

So my dad said Unidil is gnarly though.

No, yeah, Unidil is, but redbud is on the fourth of July every year.

Well, like on that weekend every year.

And there's a, I think it's called lot B, lot B or C. I think it's lot B.

It's crazy.

It's, I think from what I've heard, they basically, they walk the gate at a certain

time at night and no one's getting in or out.

Like, cause it's just like, if you have a credential, you're not allowed to go in there.

Really?

Yeah.

It's love.

You stay at a lot B.

Second one.

What is your most embarrassing moment at the racetrack?

Most embarrassing.

I don't know.

I mean, one was probably at, at an outdoor.

So like, I've never been the biggest, the best at motor, pro at motocross.

So at the outdoor guy, I'm typically like a brown at 10th place guy in the 250

class is kind of where I was.

Like if I, if I get a good race, I'm getting the top five, but my first time.

So in, in outdoors, they announced the top five and points for the first site lap that we do.

So we get a site lap before the race.

Check out the track because it's changed a lot from practice.

So we go out, get a site lap.

So they announced fifth to first.

So I was in fifth in points.

My first time being in top five and points, they water the crap out of the track.

And so I get announced first and going around, crashed on the site by myself on the site.

I'm like, there we go.

What are the, what are the people say?

Like, I remember, and I don't know if it's the same, but at motorcross when you're

outdoors, everybody's camped along the side of the track.

And I remember, and this is way different, but you know, you kind of remember

something I remember racing BMX and like people yelling at you for like when you'd

fall on the side of the track.

What are the people on the side of the track?

Say, yeah, I don't know.

I was, I was like tunnel vision, get up and go.

I was on, I was on this like a face of a jump to like there was just rolling the jump,

but it was like so wet and hard packed.

And I just like fell and I'm like, get up, get going.

Like the worst is when you fall and your bars are off.

Oh yeah.

And you're like, oh, no, it's all fine.

Everything's fine.

Last one.

If you re zapped your memory, you can only keep one racing memory.

What do you keep?

One racing memory.

My first win, my first win, Supercross win in Detroit.

Yeah, it's pretty, pretty special.

It was a, the day was very up and down for first win.

Obviously it's like what you've been working for your whole life.

And then I didn't know it at the time.

One of my best friends at the time and his dad had passed away earlier that day.

And I crashed on 77.

Oh my God.

Going to a race and I didn't know it.

A dirt bike race.

Yeah.

They're going to a hair scrambler or wood race.

And then the heat race, I fell with another rider and I didn't make it to the main event

straight out of the heat.

So I had to go to the LCQ, which is like, you don't want to be in the LCQ.

Right.

And I won the LCQ.

I got back from the heat and I went to grab my phone.

My trainer got back.

They like apparently from the time that I had went down to the start line for the

heat to the time I got back is when like everyone started finding out about it.

So I didn't know anything about it.

He's like, give me your phone.

You don't need that.

Like, all right, whatever.

Here you go.

So then I won.

And then after the race, like I went to the LCQ, won main event.

And then after the race, I was going to the press conference.

I said, dad, let me have my phone.

He's like, no, no, you don't need that.

I know.

It's like, it's everything.

Okay.

And he's like, everyone in our family is all right.

He's like, I'll tell you later.

Okay.

I didn't know until like later that night.

But yeah, it's like, I mean, it was like the best day of my life and the worst day.

All in one.

Like pretty crazy.

Like, yeah, I mean, but they were definitely with us.

Well, before we wrap, I want to show one thing just because for field entertainment,

monster, yeah, um, Jason, you pull up the memes and reactions here.

We've got a monster jam record.

Oh, do you see that dude?

Oh, the tires on this thing.

I thought the tires were coming apart.

Yeah, that was crazy.

So Indianapolis, one of the back stretch or fun stretch.

And this car, this truck's like shaped like an Indy car.

Three miles.

And look at the tires.

I'm like, there's no way those things are balanced.

Look at them.

Vibrating this guy or gals eyes out.

But 103 miles an hour.

Those things got a lot of power.

You got to stop.

You ever drive one?

No.

Is that the next step after supercross?

No, probably not.

Like a modified racing.

No, again.

Yeah.

So like when you guys run with film media, you don't do any cross promotion with them

with with monster jam.

Yeah, not really.

Really?

I think that some of the I don't know if they still do.

I know they used to have a lot of freestyle guys.

They would have like a freestyle show during the year.

I don't know if they still do or not.

But yeah, no, we collab basically on venues.

Let's put up the pit crew one.

That one I think skip probably saw already.

Which one is it?

It was a safe.

Yeah, you see this guy.

I haven't seen.

How about Ricky saving qualifying?

Dude, that was a crazy.

Dude, that was I sat there and watched it go right by me.

And I was like, whoa, whoa, oh, oh.

Because you know that you know what's going on.

And this is what people don't see is that you have about 10 road mechanics,

five, 10 road mechanics that are like, seems to be like, oh, my day just got long.

Oh, we're good.

Oh, it just got long.

Oh, screw it.

Here we go.

Oh, this is actually my tire carrier, Donovan Williams.

So he's coming to.

So there's a gnarly hill here and it's hard to see, but there's a gnarly hill at Dover.

There's a track where they race horses in the middle.

And it's probably.

15, 20 feet above the racing surface.

So that's Donovan Williams and the pit reporter there.

Forget her name.

She was kind of standing in the way and Donovan was trying to stop it

and the brakes blew out on the pit box and he basically fell on the sword.

The pit box ran him over.

Those ones are smaller, but dude, you're not selling thousands of pounds.

Yeah, my brakes aren't great on him either.

So instead of running her over, he pretty much fell on top of it

and it rolled over top of him and he had a couple of lacerations.

He wasn't able to pit with us.

We had different tire carrier this week, but that's just the type of guy Donovan is.

Right.

He's going to he's going to put himself in harm's way rather than hurt somebody else.

So we spoke about him on the show a couple of times.

Bum to see him hurt, but he's still he's in good spirits

and he's going to be good long term.

So he should be backing at it. Oh, oh, yeah.

Sceptic truck hit by a train.

That's drivers OK. Yeah.

Oh, that's pretty crappy.

Yeah, I think yeah, just.

But I don't know why there wasn't a rail like crossing rails there.

I don't know. Somebody smell in that.

Yeah, we have a road.

That's my answer. That was it looks so similar to like right by my house.

But it's like really one of those small roads and that we don't have rails either.

Well, let's just an old crapper tank people you ever seen.

Joe, honey sucker and thank God that he was all right.

But dude, thank you so much for coming down.

Where can everybody follow along your journey at Jordan Smith dot 20?

I believe I don't know. Yeah, most Instagram.

Yeah, Instagram.

You can watch us on Saturdays pretty much every Saturday.

When's the start on Peacock?

So motocross is starting now.

It will start at one o'clock local time for where we're at.

Where's your first race?

That was first races in Paula, South Southern California.

Nice. So it'll be four o'clock Eastern time on Peacock, not this coming Saturday,

but next Saturday and then running through the whole summer.

And then we'll have the the SMX playoffs in September.

Yeah. And then obviously next year, January, Supercross, every Saturday night,

seven o'clock on Peacock.

Jordan Smith, thank you so much for coming.

You can follow along.

Coral B in the 10 truck this week.

And we got Moe party here at the shop on Thursday.

If you want to stop by from what's at 10, the 10 11 or two 11 to two.

My race cars will be here.

Coral have some cars here.

There'll be a bunch of Dodge people in and out.

I'll be changing tires for that 71.

I don't know if they've announced who's in it yet,

but he's a really good road course racer and he's not from America.

And then I'll be with Raja in the 88 Coral B in the 10 truck.

And he'll be on prime all weekend.

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