Nashville Fairgrounds Outlook & The Future Of JGR Without Joe Gibbs
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Let's go right into the cars tour, TJ. Went to Nashville Fairgrounds this past weekend
and here are my unfiltered thoughts. So, I want to hear this because I have some questions.
We practiced Thursday from three to seven and then it was like Groundhog Day. Friday,
we did the exact same thing again. Three to seven and then Saturday, we had a 20 and a 40-minute
practice roughly in the morning. Qualified around five and then we raced and that is way too much
practice. I don't want to go do a race weekend where there's that much practice. It's just too much.
I don't want, it's not interesting or fun for me. The race, the race day, all the cars, the people
love it. One thing I did not like about this past weekend was so much practice. Of course,
it was Nashville New Track. But if we don't show up and open the track and say, okay,
everybody's here, it's time to practice, they're all going to rent it. They're all going to
show up on Wednesday and Thursday and do it anyways. Or come the week before, now they're
traveling in Nashville and back home and back out to Nashville again for the race.
If we don't organize it, it gets more expensive for the teams. It's crazy how different the
dirt world is versus the asphalt world in practice. Dirt guys, they run three corners and
start to race. They go out and practice for two laps. Their hot laps are like, bam, bam, over.
Yeah, they're quick. But it was an amazing weekend for the car store. It was an amazing weekend for
Nashville Fairgrounds. So Nashville Fairgrounds has been in the news quite a bit over the last,
probably five to 10 years. And it's all revolving around the future of the racetrack. And
there's obviously the Fair Board, local government, council. There's all these different levels of
government that votes, that deals have to go through to be approved. And man, you'll get
through one line of government and then run into a brick wall or get through a couple lines and
then run into a brick wall. And there's always opposition. And it's unfortunate. It's very
political, which is never fun. And the racetrack, first off, is sort of protected by an amendment to
it's protected and racing is forever preserved as an activity on that property. And so
while the opposition to the racetrack can stifle its future and growth and its upgrades,
they cannot, for the current period of time, end all racing at the racetrack because it's protected
in these laws that were implemented over the past couple of decades. So that's why racing
still happens there. And that's also why the track itself hasn't seen any recent upgrades to
the facility. The surfaces in rough shape needs a lot of patchwork. I wouldn't say it needs a
repave, but definitely has some problems on the surface that I saw this weekend. The grandstands
and facility, while usable, functionable, they do need to be improved and cleaned up. A sound barrier
needs to be put up around the racetrack. A very proper sound barrier needs to go up around the
facility quickly. Otherwise, I mean, it's the foundation and the footprint of the track is
in solid shape. And we didn't really, it felt like a great facility for our series. But
there's a lot of opposition sort of stifling what the track could continue to become. And
there's a lot of support that wants racing to continue. There's a man that built a soccer
stadium on the property who has a lot of interest in that being successful. It's a 30,000-plus
venue that hosts concerts and multi-use. He obviously isn't a big, he probably isn't a
big fan of another 30,000-plus seat venue being right next door, right? Because while the racetrack
is motorsports oriented, it would then, it can also be seen as a multi-use venue if they were
to increase the seats for sure, where it could do concerts and so forth as well. So I don't know,
maybe that's the, there's a bit of a tug of war, I guess, happening between the community,
the individuals that are on the soccer stadium and so forth, the soccer team,
and the fans that want to see racing continue there, the racing community in Nashville. So
there's a lot going on, a lot to... I feel like there's a good core racing community there still.
Okay. I mean, do you get that vibe when you're there? Well, we had 13,000 people show up that
want to watch the cars tour. That's pretty good. Yeah, packed the place out. I mean, if you could
have sold 20,000 tickets, I think you could have gotten close to that. Nice. With that all said,
this is the feeling that I get. Most of us don't live in Nashville. Most of us get our information
about the Speedway on social media. Most of us read articles or text or post tweets, whatever,
and we form our opinion of how the progress is going with the racetrack, right? From just
basically social media. That's me. That's you. That's all of us, right? And when we're not in
Nashville, not standing on that property, not at that racetrack, not watching a motorsports event
going, it can feel at times that there's a bunch of opposition against the racetrack and there's
not a ton of confidence that something is going to come together. But when you go there and you
stand on the racetrack and you're at the place and you see it operating and see the fans coming and
see it happening, that changes your mind. There is, you know, it's a big racetrack. It's a big piece
of property. It's been there since 1904. Racing's been going on there forever. Second oldest racing
facility, I believe, in the country. Really? Yeah. So when you're standing there, you go,
oh, no, man, this is not, this ain't going to go away quietly. This place is stubborn.
You know, they, they're, you don't know who's going to, you know, win out on this,
you know, tug of war, but this place isn't going to get wiped off the map just like that.
It's, it's fighting and it's got, it's got some legs. And so there's two routes, I think,
that this racetrack could take. It is, obviously, it can continue as it is being managed by a guy
like Bob Sargent, who is a promoter there now. That's not a terrible route because
short track racing continues. Bob's got relationships with all the folks that, that
he needs to have relationships with in the town, knows how to, knows how to do business in Nashville.
And the only thing about that is it seems like the track doesn't get the financial support it
needs to be able to continue to upgrade and just do general maintenance, like the surface. They
need to, there's a couple holes in the track need to be patched, couple, and then they're, they're
just, you know, they're just needs to be a little bit better general maintenance
if we continue down the current path of racing at Nashville. The second route obviously is with
Bristol and Marcus Smith. And if Marcus comes in and gets a, gets control of the track, he wants
a 30 year runway. He wants a real, he wants a guarantee that he's going to get this place and
get ahold of it for a long time so that as the investments are made into the track, he knows
that that's not going to, the track's not going to get yanked out from under him after 10 years,
right? That's fair. If he puts, if, if Marcus puts $60 million in this place,
he wants that 30 year runway to be able to make it work. That's how he sees how he can make that
profit, you know, profitable because he's going to put a ton of money into it. As soon as Marcus
gets the racetrack, he's already got commitments to the local, local community and local government
to do the sound barrier and all types of upgrades to the racetrack. So he's been proactive. Yeah,
they have a plan and it's ready and it's being mulled over by the local government. But, and
that absolutely could happen and that's still in motion. And I, I know that Marcus and his team are
still, I on the, they're still working that deal. It's not dead. And so I don't know, you know,
and I know nothing more than that. I know as much as all y'all do, Marcus isn't in my phone
telling me inside information. I don't, I, if I go to Marcus and I say Marcus, what's the update?
I don't get details. He goes, we're still digging, you know, he'll tell me something like our guys
were there last week. Our guys were in town last week meeting with, you know, local government.
Our guys are still boots on the ground and that's all I need to hear is we're, you know, they're
still trying to make that effort to put a deal together. I think honestly, if, if the laws stay
in place that protect motor sports at the track and racing is going to continue, I would probably
prefer Marcus's team managing the track because I know if I'm, you know, if I'm in a townhouse
or a neighborhood nearby or my kids are going to school, you know, within the vicinity of the
racetrack, I know that Marcus is promised and will be forced really to put the sound barrier up
and to really improve the burden of noise and, and that the racetrack is. So
if racing is going to continue, which it, it's, it's, the laws are in place for that to happen.
And Bob, I think there's a world where Marcus gets the 30 year deal, Marcus upgrades the racetrack
and Bob still promotes the short track racing that would continue there. I think there's a world
where both can be true. And so, because I, I absolutely think if Marcus gets the track,
you're still going to have pro weekly racing, cars tour or whatever you want to do, right?
And the other thing too is, is that if Marcus got the racetrack, they're not adding races,
they're not adding track time, they're not adding dates, because the fairboard is going to tell you
this racetrack gets to run 10 times a year. That's it. So if it's a NASCAR race, I don't
care, go cart, whatever, you get 10 races, you get 10 shots. When I took the cars tour there,
Bob had to pull something out, right? He put the cars tour in the hat, something had to come out,
because he only gets 10, 12 dates, whatever, right? And so, you know, it's not, there's,
there's not more racing. You're, you're basically saying if, if they agree to do this deal with
Marcus, they're basically saying, Marcus, come in, fix up the track, put the sound barrier up,
make it better for everybody, better for the community, better for our racers, better for
Nashville. I just don't understand why it's taken so long for everybody to understand that this is
the right way forward for the racetrack. It's, it's interesting. So that's what we, we had a great
weekend. I went around to competitors before, during and after the race and everyone was thrilled
to be there. They were, a couple of them said it reminded them of Myrtle Beach, because the track
had a great environment. The track had a great culture and environment. It had a feeling that
was fun. And then you had Nashville itself when you got done at the racetrack. Like Saturday night,
dude, we went downtown, drank some beer, went to tons of places to go there. We went to Printers
Alley, well, Printers Alley, a bar called The Seller and drank beer till two in the morning.
We took the guitar that Caden won, hung it on the wall in the bar and cheersed it and drank
beer to it, had pizza. I mean, not every racetrack that we go to is there an after party or a place
where you can go and, or even on Thursday night after testing, a lot of guys went out and had
fun. We went to Tootsies. That's one thing I remember of the Martinsville weekend when I ran
the late mall race. You got done at the track and everybody went to Clarence's or the places
in Martinsville and you saw all the guys that I was competing against, you saw them there.
So the infamous Dutch Inn. The Dutch Inn, yeah, you get the Dutch food. There was a bar in a hotel
in Martinsville. The hotel is called the Dutch Inn and that bar, if it could talk, I don't think
80s. Even in the early 2000s. Yeah, I know. But I mean, imagine, imagine Tim Richman and all those
guys. Oh my gosh. Yeah. Yeah. The Dutch Inn. Man, I just can't tell you how much fun we had
taking the cars tour to Nashville. It was fantastic. I could sit here and talk about it for hours.
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Anyhow, let's move on to Bristol Cup Racing Man. I watched the Cup Race on Sunday
and congratulations to Ty Gibbs. I know his long overdue and he was thrilled to be able to get
himself to victory lane. Ty Gibbs is in the sim this morning, so he's not going to be calling
into the show, but we've all kind of watched this kid go through challenges and hurdles and
trying to become a winning race car driver in the Cup Series and he used to race in the
Car Store, worked his way up through the Xfinity Series, had a ton of success and it's been a
bit of a rocky road. Came into the Cup Series and looked like, you know, man, this kid's got it.
He's ahead of the game, but they've struggled over the last couple of years and there's been some,
you know, there's been some personnel changes and whatnot, but seems like right now they're
in a stable place. They're running like it. Yep. Top 10 after top 10 after top 10. Yeah.
The kid is pretty dang competent. I mean, he doesn't make a bunch of mistakes. Is he
a championship contender this year? No. I mean, I don't know. I don't think so.
That's a bit of a jump, I think, from where I have him in my mind before Bristol. I know he won.
He's getting there. He's getting there. Yeah. He's kind of like, you know, I guess you could say
he reminds me a lot of Chase Elliott last year. Very just consistent. If you can't win the race,
he's going to get you that fifth, going to get you that eighth, going to get you that tenth,
going to get you that third. You know what I mean? Yeah, I just wonder if this does it for
Ty though. Does this give him a little bit more like you never know? They always, you know,
they always say, you just got to win that first one and then the floodgates are going to open.
That didn't always the case. I don't always see that. No, I mean, it's as hard as when it's just
as hard to win them. He's not going to try any harder than he already is. It gets easier after
you're the first one. Yeah. I don't know where that came from. To me, it gives the driver the
confidence, okay, I can do this now. A little, you know what I mean, but I don't know that he liked
it. Yeah, maybe not. I don't know. Yeah, I don't know. I mean, he went through a couple rough
years. I'm sure there was probably some hard times for him. He seemed like outwardly to realize
where the problem was and knew it wasn't him. That's just my perception, but you know, I could
be wrong. He could be really insecure about it after the last rough couple of years, but he
doesn't express that. Sure. He expresses, Hey man, I know where the problem is. We're going to get
that fixed and then I'll be good. And that seems to be what happened. It's looking like it so far
because I mean, there was a moment in the season last year where the, the, the temperature around
it was that he was, he was tough to beat, maybe tough to deal with. Well, you had Gabe Hart as
like the quasi crew chief, Tyler Allen, like really wasn't on the mic. Like it was just awkward.
It was. And, and then Gabe Hart's out at the end of the year. That whole situation looked,
it did. It didn't look great for Ty didn't look good. Yeah. It didn't look great for Ty. Ty
just kept his head down. What about his, what about his racing and now he's in victory lane.
Now he looks any, and they've been running great. This wasn't like a surprise. No, not a surprise.
They've been running great every week. And so now it's like, man, maybe it wasn't him.
You know, maybe in the right scenario, this kid's just, you know,
this is proof that if you hang out around that top five, you're going to be able to win races
because he wasn't the dominant car all day. No, he wasn't the best car all day,
but you give a guy in the top five a shot to win. There it is. And as we talked about last week,
like he's only 23. So to our, what we're talking about, like, yeah, it's taken him a couple of
years, but it's got to mature like he's got develop. It's a great point. I mean, we, I always say
this and everybody's tired of hearing about it, but like Lugano Byron, I mean, it's right. It's
just exact same thing. He wasn't racing cup at 20. Like there's exact same thing. You put these
guys in these cars at 19, 20, 21 years old. They are going to have flashes, but they are also going
to have rough days. And if you can see that through, right, you get Byron, you get Lugano,
you get Blaney. A lot of guys don't get the opportunity though. They don't, but Ty's going
to get it. Yeah. Like Denny, Denny put his time in right. Like I feel like guys like Denny and
Brad and, and Martin Truex, they all came up. A lot of them, almost all of them, you know,
came up that way. Like we look at, we're going to have Connor. I'm like, he's struggling right now,
but like he's young and he's going to take him some time before he can break through.
Yeah. On a oval. It will. Well, Ty Gibbs may not even be in his prime yet.
He might. Oh, I don't think he is. Not close. Yeah. And so, yeah, just think about that. Like
he's sitting there fourth in points and, you know, definitely in the conversation around
points, but I don't think that he's, when could he hit his prime? Is he five years from it still?
Could be. Oh, I mean, I think that you're, if you're in a great situation with a great team,
it's start, you know, you could start around to, you know, the age of 25 and run to 35.
Yeah. I mean, he's not even different for everybody. Just different for different people.
Like Denny's is, you know, Denny's is a lot, his prime run is a lot longer than most,
but most guys get about a 10 year window of like they're, they're really peak.
They can still be great after that, but I feel like Ty is in a really good spot to
have the same path that Denny had with the equipment that he's in, because Denny's been
in A plus equipment his entire career. So his prime window obviously stays open longer,
in my opinion. Play opens up sooner too. Yeah. Definitely opens up sooner.
The challenge for Gibbs is going to really be
how that operation is ran from the top down. So Joe
is way up there in age, right? He is absolutely,
he is his celebrity status, his recognition, name recognition, all those things, 85 years old.
So that right there is how they,
that he's a big, huge part of their sustained success, partner relationships and all those
things, right? So how they carry that on beyond Joe himself is the key to Ty's success, right? So,
like, for example, I mean, I would say it's kind of like,
What do you think Ty needs to keep this?
So, DEI, for example, right? DEI with Dillon Hart and without Dillon Hart,
two different buildings, two different operations, two different businesses.
Even though the names there, the legacies there, to be able, it is just not the same
if that man isn't walking in the building. The way he would come in there and talk to employees,
the way he would shake hands with sponsors and market the company, when that leaves,
someone else has to come in there and do that. Someone else has to come in there and be that,
and no one could replace that, right? And so, no matter, and we, you know, DEI can be successful,
but it is not ever going to be what it was without Dillon Hart present and in the building. And so,
that is the challenge for Gibbs, is when Joe is gone, how can they continue to
the partnerships they need to fund the operation, maintain the critical, talented
individuals in engineering and crew and support to be able to build fast race cars?
And if they can find that magic way to do those things, that charisma and that ability to,
you know, to really truly be successful in operating the business,
Tye's got a real opportunity at a solid 20-year career with a lot of wins.
Those positions are hard to fill though. The leadership. Yeah, it's hard to fill those.
Well, they may have a plan. And you're like, I'm sure you know, there's stories about people
that worked with your dad. The things he would do, like go see him on the land, just walk up,
and I mean, that made their day. Like, they couldn't wait to get there. And also, like, a sponsor
maybe once chose, like, you know what, I don't have that same relationship with
whoever takes over. I may not want to. Exactly. That's what I'm speaking of.
Yeah. So, the leadership, Tye, Tye's, I know that's a long view, but that's truly like, you know,
what kind of driver can Tye be? Like, if he's driving for Joe Gibbs Racing, he's going to be
as good as Joe Gibbs Racing is. Yeah. Right? Because he's a winner. Tye's now a winner.
Tye's a guy that's fourth in points. He's a winner. Get him in a great race car.
He's going to get you a great result. Very, not really mistake-prone. He's dialing it in,
not in his prime. This guy's got a great runway, right? But he's going to be only as good as the
equipment and the organization he's with. And so that's kind of how I look at that.
I agree. Let's talk about, you had a little bit of a comical moment during this.
We had a little bit of a comedy-exciting moment. Yeah. Comical for us.
I didn't know it was comical to after the race. So, Stenhouse gets into Brad and spins Brad out.
And Stenhouse comes over the radio and said, tell TJ inside. Tell TJ inside? Yeah, I guess.
Because, no, he said, tell TJ he's an ass. What'd he say? No, what did he say? That's what he said.
He said, tell TJ inside. Oh, I thought he said, tell TJ he's an ass. No, I don't turn the wheel.
Well, did he not come up the racetrack into y'all? Well, eventually. He got a big run
out of four and I've watched it count it down off the top side like you always do.
We get to the start-finish sign and he's like, kind of start like it was a late dive. But I don't,
I mean, I don't blame him. I mean, he gets into Brad a little bit. Brad kind of closes the door
and we go up the racetrack, but he just continues to go up the racetrack and
doesn't stop until he spins us out. Yeah, so. So, did Brad enter?
We crowded him on entry a little bit. Crowned him on entry. That's what I was trying to get at.
A little bit, but that happens a thousand times a race. And well, I mean, Bristol,
you enter on the bottom or you enter, here we go, we're on board. Oh, whoa. Yeah, there's contact
on entry. Yeah, Carlo, TJ. Yeah. Yeah. Carlo. Hence why I said that too. You told him Carlo?
Absolutely. Yeah. Inside. I mean, I counted the entire rundown. Yeah. So, man, but it all worked
out how it should have. Well, did you talk to Stenhouse? I don't need to talk to Ricky. There's
five. It's racing. You ought to call him. I don't need to call Ricky. I'm not driving. When he
answers the phone, you say car, car outside. I wish we had Ricky to surprise TJ. I know.
I mean, inside like, like Darlington during COVID or what? I mean, just call his number and then,
as soon as he picks up, say outside, outside, outside, outside, outside, clear, all clear.
Spin behind you. Spin behind you. Those moves happen at Bristol like a thousand times a race.
TV doesn't catch them all. I didn't see it. Nope. That was the only time I saw that.
That only happened once and that was your. Yeah, just my, just then.
So Brad got spun out. Yep. Yep. Yeah. You didn't hit nothing. Good job. Didn't hit anything, came
back, ran. Then we got a speeding penalty late, which really hurt our day, but still finished
top 15. So the late penalty, so I'll take it. All right.
Well, we, we got a phone call just now. Conor Zillich is
rang us up. And so we're going to jump forward into the Xfinity series.
Conor, how are you doing, buddy? I'm good. Where are you? I'm guessing he's at home.
I'm at, yeah, I'm at home. I'm at Jesse's house, but it's close. Jesse's got some,
is that a boob light up ahead of you? That is a boob light. No, it's just a light. No,
it's one of them old boob lights that you see. You see those in, you see those in apartments.
It's like these just smaller. It's hilarious. Never heard that one before. Is that,
what is on the wall? Is those Jesse's checkered flags? Yeah, they are. I assume. I mean, there's
little office. What's the, what's the frame stuff over there? Is it some kind of a,
is those his academic awards? What are those? I don't know. They're, they're from ARCA.
ARCA! Oh, he's hanging ARCA awards. Hanging them ARCA awards. Good Lord. I think I hung up the,
I printed out and hung up my first eye racing win. I remember hanging those things on the wall.
That is about what that is for Jesse. I mean, is that Jesse's B license on the wall over there?
Oh, that's Jesse's rookie class. He graduated from the rookie class,
street stock class over there. He's getting hammered. He's not even here to defend himself.
He's getting hammered. He's probably sitting on the other side of the camera.
Golly. So this weekend, you got a chance to drive for junior motorsports man. Always awesome to
have you in our cars. We had such, such a great year last year racing with you. And so we're,
we're thrilled when you get back behind the wheel and you got to work with Rodney Childers.
You've been able to work with him a couple of times this year. I've known Rodney since I was in
school. And so, but you're getting a chance to work with him a little bit and get to know
him pretty well. How is the, what's Rodney like as a crew chief? Like what's his temperament
and what do you like about getting to work with a guy like that? Yeah, I feel like Rodney's just
never worried or stressed. And, and that is very helpful to have in a crew chief because,
you know, that's the last guy you want to be, you know, uptight and stressed and nervous. And
because, you know, he's the leader of the team. So yeah, it's been cool to kind of just learn
from his demeanor and how he goes about things. But yeah, he's so laid back and just, you know,
I feel like he's always going to do the right thing, make the right call and not really stress
about it, if not. So yeah, he's a, he's a good dude. And I'm glad that, you know, I was a part
of his first win with JRM. It was a really cool day. What's it like to, to win at Bristol?
You know, I mean, I used to go, there's a little kid and that night race at Bristol
was my favorite of all the races to go to all year long. That was the one that was like at the
top of my list as a kid because of the action and you just got so close to the racing and
it's always a lot of fun. So I have Bristol high on my list. It's even higher than some crown jewels
in my personal opinion, but what's it like to drive up on top of that building and win a race there?
Yeah, it's, it's the victory lane and the sword. I don't know. Were you, I guess, did you ever get
a sword? I don't believe I did. No, they didn't have swords. I just got the giant trophy. Yeah,
back in the day. Yeah. They, they started the swords like 10 or 12 years ago. So yeah, it's,
it's a cool tradition that they have now to, to give for the driver that wins a sword. And,
you know, obviously Bristol is one of the coolest tracks to win at because it's just,
everything feels so tight and, and I feel like you're so up close with all the fans and everybody
who's there, you know, watching the race and it definitely adds to the, to the experience of winning
when you can kind of feel like you're celebrating with everybody who's there and obviously driving
up, you know, onto the top of the media center or whatever the building that we drive up on top of
for victory lane is, is unique and really cool. So yeah, I had a lot of fun. We had a really good
race car and, and, you know, we're able to stay out there at the end and make that strategy call
to put us in a position to win. And yeah, it was my first win at Bristol. So that was, that was
awesome. Did you think you were going to be able to get by the 19? I know passing on the bottom
there late in the race is difficult. It's tough, challenging to put that together. It looked like
you had to really put the work in to get there. Yeah. I mean, I did not know as soon as he got
to my outside, I was like, I just completely blew this race. You know, I, he did it at the restart
before and I should have known better to get up when he got to the outside of me the first time.
And I didn't, and I thought that was going to be the end of the race. And he was just going to,
you know, rip the top and get by me. And, you know, he made a mistake on top. And, you know,
as soon as he did, I got up and, you know, took the top away from him. So it was a little bit
lucky that, you know, Brent made that little mistake running the fence, but, you know, we were
running so hard those last 10 or 12 laps. And, you know, Kyle and me, we hadn't really been
running the top like that all race long. So it was kind of the first laps up there. And hence why,
you know, Brent and Kyle both ended up making a mistake that, you know, cost them a little bit.
So it was, it was, you know, we were, the pace had picked up and we were all giving it all we had.
And, you know, when you're doing that for 15 laps in a row, you know, you're going to make
mistakes eventually. And fortunately, I was the one that, you know, was able to, to sneak through
and get the win.
Did Kyle make you nervous at all? Cause I saw, he like cleared Brent and then he got to you,
like, seemed like he got to you really quick. And then he made that mistake. And it was like,
because I, I mean, I thought he was getting ready to probably take a dive or, you know,
do something. And I guess he jumped the cushion or did something.
Yeah. I mean, it's never fun when you're, you know, there's five, five to go.
And Kyle Larson's behind you with a hundred lap pressure tires. I mean, that's,
it's never really what you want to see, but
What could go wrong?
Yeah, exactly. But, you know, I just kind of forgot about what was behind me and just
tried to run my best corner at each lap and not make a mistake. And, and, you know, he was
going to have to do something to get by me. I felt like I, I wasn't going to be the one to,
you know, I wasn't going to make the mistake and let him have it easy.
You know, I wanted to force him into making a move or something like that to get by me. So,
yeah, I mean, to be honest, I was running as hard as I could, but I knew that I couldn't
make a mistake because it's, he'd be right there to, to take it.
You'll like this. When did you run your fastest lap?
I think like lap 291 or something, like kind of go.
Fast lap in the race.
Yeah. Oh yeah.
That's what I saw too. And I was like, good Lord.
Yeah. I know we were digging as hard as we could at the end. And, and honestly, we'd like,
we were on the oldest tires, me and Brent and obviously Kyle had new stuff, but like we were
driving away from everybody who put tires on at the stop before that. So it's kind of funny that,
you know, you, you run the tires for a hundred laps and they're still just as good as, as new. But
yeah, I mean, after practice, like we still had lines down the middle. Like,
I mean, there was no way or at all. So that's kind of what's, you know, I,
the caution came out with 35 to go. And I actually lost the Bristol race in the fall last year,
kind of the same way I was leading. And, you know, we pitted and tried to get the track,
the tires to come back through, but we just never were able to make it back up to the front. So
as soon as the caution came out, I kind of told Ronnie, I was like, look, we're staying out.
And, you know, I'll make it work. So glad that we're able to do that. And, and, you know,
glad that Rodney trusted me to, to make that call. Well, um, what did Kyle have to say
when he came to the window at the end of the race? Yeah. I mean, he just said,
good job. And, and I gave Marty some, I was just, I was telling him, I was like, why the hell did
you pit? Uh, you know, we lost that race doing the exact same thing last year. And, um, you know,
he laughed and Rodney called me this week talking, asking me what I thought about coming down pit
road. And man, I was like, God, he, he is still like, not sure exactly what to do. And he's like,
I got Larson and I feel like I got a pit, you know, I'm like, well, if you think you can drive back
through there, but yeah, yeah, it was, it was funny. I, uh, you know, Kyle told me a good job
and, and you know, we, we laughed about the pit, the decision to pit or not. And, um, you know,
I kind of went on my way, but it was cool race against Kyle. You know, I, I, I raced against him
on Saturday and, um, you know, we're racing for the win. And then Sunday he's lapping me on lap
40. So it was, uh, definitely a change going from Saturday to Sunday, but, um, you know, it's,
it's a lot harder on Sunday. I mean, it's, it's just the cars, the competition, everything's
tougher. So, uh, it's going to take some time for me to figure that out, but we're working at it
every week and in track house as a whole, trying to get better. So, um, yeah, it's, it's been a
struggle, no doubt, but, um, we're getting there. Yeah. What are some of the things that
have jumped out at you on the cup side that are so unique and different from what you've experienced?
Man, I would just say like the intensity is, is, you know, you, you get in those X,
the O'Reilly races and, and just, you know, it's intense on final restarts and it's intense,
you know, at points throughout the race, but, you know, in the cup cards, every single lap,
like you can't make a mistake. You can't, you know, you can't take a lap off. I feel like it's
just, you're always fighting for the next position and I feel like in, in everything I've ever raced,
it's, it's never quite like that. Like there's moments of the race that are intense, but man,
in those cup races, it's every lap you're, you're fighting for your life. It feels like and, um,
it's just very, very competitive and everybody's so talented on Sundays and the teams are also
competitive and, you know, all, all have so many resources and spend a lot of money to
make their cars fast and it's just, it's different than anything I've ever done.
Well, man, we know you're going to figure it out. Uh, rookie years, they can be rewarding,
but also there's some, there's some humbling moments in them, but, uh, we know, we know
you're a winner and a champion and a bright, bright future for you in the cup series.
Thanks for giving us some time this morning, man. Um, have a good week and, and we'll see you at the
racetrack. Of course. Thanks Dale. Thanks for having me. See you, TJ. See you, man. All right.
Car outside, by the way. Car inside. Car inside. Inside. See you, man. Well,
it's great to be able to talk to the winner from the Xfinity series, uh, or the O'Reilly series.
O'Reilly series. Yeah. It's good to see his perspective now, since it is, he went from such a
high to Daytona, everything is going to be great. And it's just, it's like, it's hard. Yeah. Like
to see where he was cause he was like top dog, right? Like,
well, uh, it was a lot of fun to, to see the success. And I talked to Rodney
Childers after the race and he's like, just, you know, on to the next. I know. Yeah. Rodney,
like during one thing I noticed about working with Rodney is the driver can come on there and say,
Rodney, this thing's the so loose. I can barely drive 10, four. Like it's like the most like,
oh yeah. You're on, I mean, literally you could, like the word, the most hype scenario could be
happening. And Rodney is literally just 10, four. Yeah. I think that's why I think Harvick loved
him so much is because Harvick's a fiery guy. He is fire. You know, and when, when things aren't
going the way he expects them to go, he's going to let you know. And I believe that Harvick really
probably appreciated the fact that Rodney didn't get stirred up. Right. Getting started up doesn't
help. Kevin knew, he needed, Kevin needed to pop off, right? Kevin, Kevin had that release
valve and needed to get something out, but he didn't want his crew chief to spiral or, or get
fiery or get upset. Similar to you. I mean, you're kind of the same way. Yeah. And I worked really
well with LaTart because he would, I would say something on the radio and get mad or get on,
you know, because you got, you just got to get it out. And sometimes he would let you go and
other times he was like, Hey, you know, that's enough. Yeah, he would, but it was pretty,
uh, he would never, I would, I, he wouldn't, I wouldn't screw him up. Yeah. My fiery, you know,
you know, my episode of being frustrated or mad wouldn't send Steve down the wrong way. No,
he never read into it. Nope. He let you get it out and kept working. That's what Rodney's like.
Yeah. Um, back to the cup stuff. Uh, Ryan Blaney looked like one of the best cars all day long.
Yeah, he was him in the five. But he is struggling on pit road. And I think he's not struggling.
Well, I'm trying to be nice about it. Yeah. He's struggling on pit road and Russell told us about
this on, um, uh, earlier weeks ago during, uh, one of our dirty Modo segments, how tough this,
you know, how tough things had been on pit road for Blaney and how this crew's struggling.
And it's really, really surprising. They lost 86 spots on pit road, um, this season. I'm curious
if that includes, because I think he's had some penalties too, but sure, but, but I mean, um,
he was asked about it the other week, said the guys need reps. They want to give, uh,
give them time to, you know, figure it out. And the one, he feels like when the playoffs come
around, they'll be ready to rock. Um, but isn't that dumb? Like, because every point matters
with this format. Look, take him from Cintrick, take him, Todd Gillin has a development team.
Like you, you're screwing up your best chance to win a championship. Well, I don't think you can go
rocking the boat. Like you think Travis, because you got more than one team there as well. And
I think if you, the coaches see the potential in the guys, sometimes it takes guys a little
together three months from now, this might be the fast group. Yeah. There you go. I mean,
I feel like that there's some, I, I, for, for right or wrong, uh, there's probably some loyalty
there. You know, uh, Blaney, I don't believe Blaney is sitting there.
Um, in the conversations around should they make a change? Should they not make a change?
Blaney's basically saying, you know, I'm going to leave that up to
it's not his area. No, I'm going to leave it up to coaches, high level management.
If they think somebody needs to change, they'll change it. But if they don't, as until they do,
I'm loyal to who's on my car. I am. I'm your guy. You're my guy. You may, you may not be hitting on
all cylinders right now, but I believe in you as he should be. And you're going to figure it out.
And so I don't think that's lip service. I think that he genuinely feels that way.
And you're, you ride or die with those guys until
upper management makes a change. When they make a change, you got a new guy. You ride or die with,
you're like, all right, man, let's get it. New guys here. Come on in. This is a family.
Let's get our ass, you know, in gear and get going. They got an issue and they'll,
I would have confidence that Pinsky could figure this out. You know,
why wouldn't you as a driver though? And I, I believe you and I get that that's what,
like the drivers kind of leave it, but why wouldn't you be more like hands-on?
Some are, some are like, you know, Harvick was very vocal about his crew at times. And I mean,
you know, I don't, not that you can't be vocal on the radio when they don't have a great stop.
I'm not saying vocal on radio. I'm saying like, I was going to get there. Okay.
Um, but I have to cross my T's and dot my I's so that I don't get taken in context.
The, uh, the, the thing is Travis,
when, when you get in the middle of determining a individual's role in an operation,
you're taking on, you're assuming responsibility. You're assuming the,
uh, you're assuming also the fallout if it doesn't work. And like, if you're not a f***ing expert
at something, don't meddle. Like I learned the hard way that I don't need to determine who my
crew chief is. Right? I thought I could do, I thought I needed this or needed that and I was
absolutely wrong. And those are mistakes that are costly, very costly. And so while you might not
think it's a big deal to go, man, let's change this right front carrier. You know, this changer's
not good. You know, whoever right, you'll just pick a guy. Let's, let's make a change there.
That could send the wrong message to the other team, you know, the other guys on the crew. But
what if they, what if they believe in this guy and they want to, you know, they need him,
they think he's going to figure it out. And Blaney comes in there and, and shoe horns the guy out.
Now the rest of the team's like, well, Blaney, Blaney, he's not got our back. Yeah. You know,
it changes a lot more than you think. Are we going to, especially under this format, you're
willing to risk losing points and like, are we going to treat pit crews like, we all talk about
how they're, well, let me ask you this athlete. So let's treat them that way. But yours not like
you don't, it's not like you're going to take this, the guy out, put another guy in it's like,
oh, it magically fixed. It doesn't happen like that. Like it, it's,
look, I hear you. I, the upper management absolutely needs to tackle this situation.
They have, there are people who it's their job to make sure that that pit crew is badass.
That guy, whoever he is in the role in the, in the organization should be fixing this. It isn't
Blaney's job. And so, you know, Blaney's got to ride and believe in and, and, and put his arms
around the people that are going to the racetrack with him every week. And he's not, he's not sitting
there looking at a chart of all of their guys and going, well, that's the guy we need. Let's
go ahead and fix my pit crew dammit. Yeah. But, but it doesn't go any further than that.
Ryan Blaney is not having a terrible season. No, but I mean, if the pit crew is an issue,
yeah, it might need a little attention. It could be probably what have 15 more points.
With this play. Yeah. And I mean, what if to TJ's point, you hung in there and they got it right
with the people they have? How rewarding is that? Like to, to, to see that person or that team jail
come together and when it comes, when it counts, they start to gain the spots. They start to win
the races. They need to win, you know, and it happens. It does happen. Just like Ty Gibbs,
right? Nobody gave up on him. Guy's not even in his prime yet. Nobody gave up on Byron. Nobody
gave up on Logano. But the other side of that, Ty Gibbs makes a change. Now he's knocking out top
fives. You know what I mean? Like, but, but I do agree with the pit crew thing. If they believe
in the pit crew deal, man, that's a, it's a, those guys are, it's a very, there's a lot of athletes
in there and a lot of really good guys. And I do believe that they have people in there. They
think it's going to eventually figure this out. They may make a change, but I'm just,
I just, I don't know that it's Blaney who needs to be the catalyst of that change. You're putting
a lot of weight on his shoulders when you start doing that. You're the star quarterback though.
He's not. He's a race car driver. Yeah. This is a coach's decision. It's a coach's decision.
Yeah. Tell him, TJ. Well, I mean, the coach doesn't, you know, the quarterback doesn't
tell you who's the more power, the crew chief or Blaney, the crew chief. What do you mean?
For going to change in the crew, get in a change. Oh, crew chief. That's his job. That's his area.
And then he goes to the pit coach. It's like literally in his title,
but doesn't, but Blaney is the face. And if he's going and saying, Hey, this, like,
is he going that? Blaney's not like Blaney wants the best pit crew and he has to trust the people
at Penske and the people there, which they have great people. They're going to figure it out.
It's not like they don't know what they're doing. We think they're going to figure it out.
Yeah. That's what I'm saying. They will figure it out. They'll figure it at Penske. I know they're
like, geez, he's hard headed. He is. He's Denny, bro. There's nothing to do with Denny.
I know I'm just messing with you. Just your low, your name, crew chief. Hey, how about
Raleigh Herps this weekend? What about him? You're pretty good.
Was? He did. He ran pretty good. No, he wasn't. Yeah. No, Raleigh was running great.
Qualified really good. Qualified good. He did. Yeah. He did a great job.
Pretty interesting. Turned Kyle. Had enough of Kyle so he turned him. Yeah, that's good.
Do you think he did? What happened between them? I couldn't tell. I couldn't tell if he was just
trying to get a little bit every lap and he got too close right in the middle of three and four
and bumped Kyle because it wasn't like he just went down to the corner and sent him like we saw
earlier, but did Kyle spin Herps out later? I think he did. It looked like it. Yeah. So
you can't keep up with us. So right there, like, yeah, I don't think he said that he was told
to like pack some air on him and I think he just got close and bumped him. I don't think he meant
to spit him out. No, let's see. I didn't get to see. What was Denny talking on during the race?
It wasn't talking to him during. He's saying Denny on his show said. Yeah. Yeah. I mean,
that's what I'm saying. Raleigh is trying to get every foot he can get to get the right angle
down. You know what I mean? Contact. Oh, more contact and more contact. Old Bristol and more
contact. That one wreck where SVG spun out a backdoor. Oh, yeah. That was a old style 1985
Bristol crash. They're still coming. They're still in. Yeah. So do you have a video of Kyle
retaliating or doing whatever? There it is. Yeah. You got him. Yeah. Yeah. He got him.
He spun him down the front straight away. Oh, he's on him in the corner and gave him a pop
right there in the middle. He's packing air. He's like, well, you're getting it. So yeah,
Riley did wiggle and give him the chance to get right there. Kyle did a good job of. Oh, boom.
Yeah. That's not too bad. No. Did you know that Chase Elliott wrecked on the coming? I heard.
I saw it. And I thought, yeah, he's wrecked down and was spun out and he kept going, but
he just got loose off of four and spun down to the whole front stretch. Oh, here's Kyle
who's radio. I know you're frustrated. Us yelling at each other during the race isn't going to help.
We're in this together. That was that was a spotter telling Poland like it's just and
Poland says it's the same every week. It reminds me a lot of the digital radios. Yeah. It reminds
me a lot of a particular crew chief that I worked with. And you and him would have. Oh,
we would argue a couple of times. Absolutely. Different. I would have a conversation with him
on the radio about the car. We're struggling. We're not good. This is this. This is that. This
is that talking about balance handling things we're trying to change. And then you and him
would have a conversation on the other side of like, why is this thing doing this? Why is he
doing that? Why is it driving that way? Why does he choose? Why does he run there? Why does
he do that? Oh, the one time I got told to just talk. It was the Fontana race where we
stayed out on tires and I'm and I was like, we had 10 laps on our tires and we went and you
chose the top. We went into one. I knew it was going to happen. I mean, down the front stretch,
we're like already 20th and he's like on the digital. I'm like, why don't you tell him to
let everybody go by and I'm like, really? I'm like, why don't you keep telling yourself?
That's probably the, but I didn't. I did enjoy the digital because we could talk a lot about you
too. I know it. And I had no idea it was going on and y'all would come on my radio and be nice to
me. It's like, good job. Good corner. What the hell is he doing? Like that was fun. That was a lot
of fun. Lance. Lance McGrew, my old buddy Lance McGrew. I still talked to Lance. He's out there
doing it. We were friends and we are friends. Yeah, Lance. Good guy. We had some tough years
racing, but yeah, it is what it is. I don't have any sour feelings. No, Lance is a good guy.
But that was exactly like the Lance McGrew relationship. Lance comes in, he's trying his
ass off. We'd have a great conversation even when we were struggling. We'd have a conversation
about what can we do to fix the car. We're frustrated, but it was not like we were yelling
each other. And then you and him would go on channel two and just be disgusted. And this is
exactly what it was like. I never really cussed. I never really downed you too bad. No, I'm just
saying like y'all would just, it was not, you wouldn't have the, you know, you would. We wouldn't
say it on one. You had a filter when you were on one. Oh yeah. Yeah. I think the difference with
this is like, yeah, this is something, the issues they're having, a lot of people were having on
Sunday, but for them it's multiple weeks now. So it's not just a one off. Yeah, it's hard. They
need to need to, I'll tell you what sucks is the way this, and I wish it was different in a, in some
sense is the way that you'll, if you lose momentum and have a bad race, you get the bad qualifying
deal the next week. And it's just so hard to come back out of that. That's what Josh Berry told me.
So hard. I wish they could fix it. Josh Berry told me that the, the
having to go out early and qualifying and not being, not, you know, that is the hardest thing
to overcome. It is. Yep. You get, you're starting, starting the back, bad, bad pit stop. Bad pit
stall. Yeah. Starting the back, which then a bad pit stop, you go in there, you don't have the greatest
stall. You get jammed in. Sometimes you lose two, three spots at a time. All the guys you work that
run the past, it perpetuates itself. Yes. And you don't get out of that cycle and you go into the
next race qualifying early and getting a bad stall qualifying in the back. And you have to
just put together the perfect race once, but then it's still hard because you don't, obviously,
when you start in the back, you don't get a chance to run a fast lap most of the time. Most fast
laps have run for front and clean air and early in the race. You don't have a chance to do that,
which adds into the formula. I just, honestly, I miss, I miss random draw for qualifying. I'll
just, you should qualify the points. Qualified by points. Yeah. Starting the fastest cars first.
The best cars first. I think you just random it. I mean, but you could do the fastest cars first,
but I mean, random sounds fun too. Random is just, everyone's got a shot every week. Yeah.
You know what I mean? You get the right draw. You get that late draw. Everyone, you kind of,
you circle cars going down the qualifying order. Oh, that car, Ryan Newman, you knew,
like when Ryan Newman went out, let you like, Oh, that's when we got to look for it right here.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It would be interesting if they like televised it like here's at least streaming.
Yeah. Yeah. YouTube. Who cares? Yeah. Put it on there. Yeah. Who cares? I mean,
Kyle Larson's going out third. Yeah. Does it not as a, let me ask you this, if they did that as a
broadcaster, would that be exciting for you to, to, you know, because you'd have to
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We have another guest caller today and this is going to be a lot of fun for me and TJ. We have
talked about our cards and getting back into collecting over the last several months and
had a lot of fun with that. Ripped some packs yesterday. Probably going to rip some more today.
And you know how our phones are, they're always listening and my phone's been sending me all
these cool videos and different content creators and so forth out there making some great stuff.
One of them in particularly is King of the Cards and that is Kyle Kravitz. Am I pronouncing that
right Kyle? You got it. Good morning. How you doing man? I know that this is last minute and I
can't thank you enough for coming on this show and talking to us. I know you're an established
collector out there. I've seen a lot of your content over the last couple of months. I love
your disposition. I love how you treat your fans and folks that want to come up and talk to you at
the shows. Videos are entertaining. Videos are great. So basically my hope is that you would
come on the show at another date to where we could talk at length but we're going to do a quick
surface level 10 minutes here around collecting to give you a little bit of a background. Back in
1987-ish I got into the car collecting with my friends when I was in school, got a bunch of the
Topps 87 stuff all the way up through 92-91 upper deck and then I just quit. I don't know why or
whatever but I just put all that stuff away and didn't touch it for 30 years. The fun part was
getting it all back out and actually going through the collection and seeing what I had, what was
worth anything and what I might want to do with it. What it did was draw me right back into the
hobby and man, has it changed to have been completely away from it for 30 years. I mean,
you even have your own language now. There's all these terms and things that I'm having to learn
but you're looking at two guys that are absolute novices. I've never been to a show.
Yeah, we've never been to a car show for sure. I'm just learning what case hits are and blaster
packs and all those things. We'll change all that. That's what I'm here for.
When you meet folks that are sort of new to collecting, what's some good advice? I imagine
you want to kind of establish first what kind of collect you are but what are some good things to
think about? Well, I think simply enough, start slow. I think a lot of people jump in and right
now you're seeing a lot of big price tags on things. It can get a little intimidating and
people jump in and they buy big time boxes. They don't hit what they want to. They buy a big time
card. It goes down in value. I say start slow. Learn first. You don't need to jump right in and be
spending money. Maybe the best thing to do is actually go to a show, not buy anything, watch
videos and don't buy anything yet. I think learning is the most important thing up front.
Secondly, I tell people figure out what you're trying to do. If you're trying to collect,
then collect things about just passion. That's love. My collection does not look like the
$100,000, $200,000 deals that you see sometimes throughout the whole video. I have $10 cards
that mean the world to me. They're very different ball games that you're playing. They're the guys
I grew up watching. It's my favorite. It's something that stuck out to me. Aesthetically,
the card's beautiful. It comes from a rare set that I fell in love with. Very different. If you
are trying to trade your way up, a whole different story. I tell people, look, don't complicate it,
don't prospect, buy for X and sell for Y. That's it. How many times can you do that? You won't be
perfect. Just win more than you lose. Can you buy something for $80 and sell it for $100? Can you buy
something for it? It depends on your budget. Are you working with 50 grand that you could easily
tie up and turn it into 55 and trade it up to the cards that you want? People have different approaches
and I'm obviously a mix of both, right? I'm hobbyist first. I'm a collector first,
but I have the business side of it. You have to figure out what your goal is. Start slow,
figure out what your angle is, and if you're collecting, collect what you love. If you're
trying to make money, keep it simple. Don't gamble. Don't guess. Just take it from X to Y.
What is the best way for a collector to establish value of a card? Say I'm wanting a specific card.
I go on eBay. There's four, five, 10, maybe 100 of those cards listed, right?
How do I establish where I'm comfortable spending?
So that's usually the toughest thing for most coming in and there's no perfect answer, but the
closest thing to perfect that I have found is card ladder is my favorite and I partner with them.
They do a phenomenal job compiling data from all auction houses, websites,
into one platform. So I love utilizing that. People do use eBay sales, but sometimes the
data isn't curated well enough and what I mean by that is they won't remove certain sales that
actually don't end up getting paid for. It's not perfect anywhere, but it's a little less perfect
there because it can easily be manipulated. People go on there. They bid on cards and they don't
pay for them and they run up a value of a card they have. It's not a perfect world in terms of
valuing cards and people figuring out values, but the closest thing to it, like I said,
card ladder has been really the only app that I've found to be top tier reliable. It's the
best one out there. So I use that when you see me making those deals. We even sometimes like pop
the values or the previous sales on the screen so people can see. It just gives you an idea of
what you're working with. I've had the same thing happen like I just mentioned of, okay, great,
I got a value from card ladder and we end up making the deal and little did I know the next
one runs for auction for two thirds of that. You got to be careful. Like I said, it's a humbling
experience. You learn a lot throughout it. There's no perfect way. What about, do you have any kind
of like a protocol or personal sort of code that you amend to when determining how much you're
willing to spend on a card? So say you do determine the card's worth 100 bucks, right?
This is something that I kind of am challenged with. I'll look around at different, I'll find a
couple different data points from different apps or eBay or what have you about a value of a card
and then I'll go somewhere to actually try to purchase the card and it's more by, you know,
it might take a card a while to gain that much value, right? So in some places you see cards
listed at value, other places you see cards listed quite a bit over value. What's a collector to do
in those situations? Well, it's kind of what I was just pointing at that the value is arbitrary,
right? It's whatever you make it, whatever a collector is willing to pay for it. It's not
an Amazon or something like that. Trust me, if I try that at shows I'd get a kick between the
likes but it's a complicated answer because I've had people do both. They try to sell me something
and I say, look, there's one listed here that I just found on this site and I don't think I could
do that knowing that's listed and then they go two booths over and since the last sale was higher,
they got paved more than that and nobody's wrong. Nobody's wrong. It's just there's not going to be
a perfect number and not everybody uses every platform. So knowledge is power, right? The more
you utilize, the more data and info you can gather, what's out there, what's listed, what's sold
and that's going to help you make those kind of decisions but I don't want to say it's an advantage
but it is the more info that you can gain, the more knowledge you have, the better position
you're in to make an educated purchase or sale. I've not sent anything to PSA yet
or the other various organizations that do grade cards but I want to. I'm excited about that
opportunity to see what gets returned to me. What's the advice to individuals that have never been
involved in sending cards to grade? I've watched a few YouTube videos. People are out there giving
a lot of great information on how to prep your cards and how they prefer them to be delivered to
graders but what cards should I send in? How do you make the decision on what card
goes and what card doesn't? It depends on the value of the card and then it depends to me
on the values of that card potentially in certain grades, right? You have to know what to look for,
condition-wise you're looking at the center, the corners, the surface and the edges but once you
figure that out I promise that part is not rocket science. To me grading is deriving value
and the only other reason a graded card is to protect it, right, to put it in some kind of
casing and that's an expensive casing right now so if it's for your collection I don't know that
I'd grade it unless there's intent to sell now or at some point. If you do want to do that you're
looking at here, here's another one. This card right here top young hockey prospect in the game,
I'm a fan of his but this card last sold it was a $15,000 sale publicly, right? If I'm just using
that as a stagnant example and that's the only one that's surfaced it's number to ten it's tough to
come across. The first one that gets graded that'll hit the market probably any grade let's say
gets a nine it'll probably do 18 to 20,000 it'll get a bump just for having it graded it'll be
expensive to grade due to its value if it gets a 10 if it's only 10 could be $25,000, $30,000 card
because it's kind of differentiated from the others and then it comes down to
how well that card typically grades that card is subject to a lot of edge chipping it's just the
way that it's printed and produced if there's only 110 and you have it whole different blogging
now that there's a huge premium to collectors let's say out of the 10 copies in the report
that you can look up online you see that seven of the 10 have been graded and out of the seven
that have been graded six of them got nines but one got a 10 that 10 on a high-end card forget
25 to 30 it might be 35 to 40 that's just kind of the premium that collectors put on these things
in the way they differentiate markets at least right now wow well man uh last question before
we turn you loose man this has been so helpful and i've really enjoyed it what's the holy grail
card for you do you own it and if not what is the card that you want to have in your collection
oh i i get asked this as much as anything and and there are too many to choose from i have an
all-time favorite and it is just a favorite and you can find it and everyone can enjoy it together
but the billy ripkin f face yeah yeah yeah you said you like junk wax so i just think the story
behind that's so funny and i i have a few copies and i have a few signed copies and i got to sit
down with the man himself billy ripkin a couple years back and we opened a box of 89 fleer hunting
it down from an error case um he's a funny guy and he gave me a very hard time as we were doing it to
we end up not finding him and it was definitely a resealed box that's the sad part with oh yes
people peeled those open and then resealed them and we got stuck with that one while i'm sitting
there with the guy himself i'm like mathematically man we're gonna we're gonna hit it we have to hit
it yeah and meanwhile we're just hitting like random base cards of his brother and i'm just
rolling my eyes but he was a character and just to say i did that with him makes that card that
much core for me because we ask him if he's ever done it before and that was the only time he's
ever done it so legendary card fun story but um that's one every time i see it in a case i smile
i uh bought that card two weeks ago um and so yeah i remember that card from my childhood
and never thought i would own one and it was just as mythical then in the you know when it came out
it was just as mythical for us as kids in high school as it is today um is there a card you're
hunting right now uh well i'll tell you what i did i i i'm very um i have a bit of an addictive
personality and so when i got back into collecting cards i as i said love the junk wax so i would go
on and look for um you know cheap 20 dollar boxes uh of re-resealed yeah sealed stuff i think i did
actually get a couple of boxes of re-sealed FLIR stuff as well but uh so i've got a ton of junk
wax at the house just to open up for fun but um the one i i established an objective and what i
did was i compiled a list of about 80 athletes that i want to own a card of that's graded and i'm
i've actually set a price range of 50 to 100 dollar 50 to 150 dollars per card i'll have to
exceed that with some particular athletes because they just won't have nines or tens at that level
but i'm trying to keep my my spending modest but also build is build a really neat collection
and have a graded card of like maybe the top eight i basically went through and did a lot of
work with ai and a couple of things to determine the 80 athletes whose cards most likely will
improve in value over time and it's all names you absolutely recognize yeah and um and that's
that's gave me like a purpose like a like an objective and i can slow play that and have fun
in the game and not not be out there aimlessly just you know spending money on a card that i have no
idea whether i really want it or not you know because i'm not going to probably go to a lot of
shows with my schedule i'm not gonna you know i'm just i'm only collecting to keep right i'm not gonna
turn around and sell stuff so i needed to sort of slow it down a little bit because i was just
going to end up with a bunch of junk wax uh base cards kyle thank you so much for giving us some
time today that was so so nice of you to come on the show and uh i know i know you've got a lot
going on king of the cards on instagram tick tock this guy has tons of great content if you are
interested in collecting or want to learn more he is absolutely a must follow uh love what you do
out there hopefully we'll get to meet one day get you back on the show man thank you we get you we
get you out to a card show and we're looking forward to making a deal awesome man all right kyle
thank you see you man thanks hey this is dale hard jr and for all the latest dale jr download
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i see we have a new addition to the set on the red bull fridge yeah what is that uh
hat there a fan brought this and gave it to me all right i got it all right a snappy little case
right here um this is kind of like a psa case for hats i guess um it's dad's hat from i would say
this is probably 1979 could be 1980 but the car on the patch is his rookie car and old will bill
442 it's even got dad's autograph and that's a legit earnhardt autograph almost faded out in ink um
you know hats were a lot of fun back in the day richard petty had a hat like this as well
red and blue and that's what that is man pretty cool pretty cool case yeah we get some cool stuff
fans will give me some stuff out there and we set we put we put it right in here we've got
a couple different things that fans have brought um to the to the studio and we'll put we'll put it
in here uh fallout boy 9 424 wants to know do you still have the good wrench pit crew suit you
know oh man so
it's a real possibility that the person who owns that is going to hear this or listening to this
right now but i went i did not so i don't know how that got out of my possession
i don't know i was i was i wasn't someone that would sell that stuff maybe i did but don't
remember selling it ever i don't know why i would sell it or think someone would want to buy it right
but i remember when i lived at my dad's all of that stuff was in my closet and it was in the
back of the closet and so when i left my dad's house and moved out of there i didn't i i must
have not taken everything um and i don't remember taking that and keeping it i moved to a double
y trailer didn't have much closet space so i wasn't gonna have storage or anything like that so i
didn't take a lot of stuff out of my childhood bedroom i left it and i never really returned
back to that lake house to retrieve anything but anyways that was the last i remember seeing that
that uniform and i had that i was wearing that when i was 14 15 you know or so when i started
when i turned 16 i never went to the racetrack with that anymore i didn't wear that uniform anymore
so that was like 13 14 15 years old i was in an autograph session this was probably
six years ago maybe eight years ago i feel like it was somewhere like Minnesota or Pittsburgh
or somewhere up north and i was in an i was in a stadium one of the i was in the city in a football
stadium signing autographs and it was like an auto show there was an auto fair going on and there
was cars all over the place and booths and tents and stuff and i went on it was out open open arena
um football arena and maybe where the vikings play or something like that and so weather was great
i'm sitting there signing autographs on stage and at this table and this guy and his son walk up
and laid that uniform right down on the table in front of me and without thinking i signed it
what i should have done was offered them whatever it took to get it back because my names on the
collar it was legit and um but i signed it and they asked we talked about it i was obviously had
a reaction like holy moly what the you know and uh we talked about it for a minute or two and
uh and then they walked away and having signed it and written my name on it i don't want it now
i don't i don't know why i just feel like that now i don't now that i've signed it i don't want it
unsigned i would have probably tried to buy it back from them but uh and i do that i've i
somebody had one of my old sundrop doors off of my late model stock car from 1994
and it had my autograph on it i bought the door clean the autograph off of it i mean that's understandable
yeah because i don't yeah like when it's when if i sign a clothing item fabric hat or something
like that then i don't want it but um what's different for you yeah so there that's kind
of how i'm at peace with it but man um and i don't think that there was but one or two of them
in existence the other one if there is more than one it's probably in dad's closet dad has a closet
it on the dei property and it has mine and kelly's military uniforms in it from military school it
has all types of stuff like things like that in there um so i'm i'm sure that there's a there's
another one or two in existence and it's probably in dad's possession wherever his stuff yeah yeah
yeah uh your cars tour celebration victory lane how fun was that getting to spray some that was great
um we won uh we won the race as the owner of the car and the sponsor of the car
who was the sponsor oh yeah jerky boy yes so i drove in the race on the series on the winning car
and then sponsored the winning car like what else could there be yeah that's the first being the
sponsor covered all the bases i was joking with caden we got up there and they gave us a couple
of bottles of spray i tried to get his dad to spray the bottle that i had but his dad travis
wouldn't do it he's like no you do it you do it and i'm like hey caden what you got there grape juice
you have to work to get that stuff to spray because he's not 21 yeah yeah haha dad joke
now we got it i heard a good dad joke while i was at nashville fairgrounds and i hope the
fan that told me this is listening we signed an autographs for the jerky boys tent selling jerky
we sold a ton of jerky everybody that tried the jerky there said it was the greatest jerky in the
whole world um which i knew they would say and uh this i said hey man how you doing he said fine
if i was any finer you wouldn't be able to see me i thought that was a great joke oh my gosh
usually you hear things like fine fine as frog hair or fine fine or something like that
but fine if i was any finer you wouldn't even be able to see me i was like wow did a piano string
did you know that it's really hard check out this idea oh no so i got in we've been talking
about collecting cards right i got a couple of uh rat packs here that i'm gonna open up at the end
of the show um but we were talking about collecting cards and when when i collected cars in the in
the 80s and 90s there weren't any variant cards in the packs there weren't like autographs or one
of ones or one of 99s or nothing you just had base cards and that was pretty much it and so now
you know that i got into it and i'm like wow they got all these different cards for everybody and
all and i've kind of knew this because i've been signing cards for a while but i never really thought
about it well amy my wife she rolled her eyes at this idea but i think i want to put it out there
and take the temperature of everybody think about it like this when we went over to the jerky boys
to sign autographs i had a stack of postcards nobody wanted a postcard they wanted me to sign
the bag of jerky and so i thought man what if i sign a thousand bags of jerky and we drop
one of those in every 500 shipments and we do like a you know so so we do like a five
month or a three month sweepstakes where hey man if you order from us it might be in there in your
box we're just gonna we're gonna drop one of those in there and so maybe you know that would be
exciting for people when they order their jerky or they're getting their subscription that they have
and they open the box and there's a signed bag in there the next level was that we would make
gold bags oh do one really wonka yeah that's what i thought right away one of 50 or one of 10
and you get it and then the bag is labeled and everything on it what if you just put a new bag
in there sign not put jerky in a bag just put it in there with the shipment because wouldn't it like
if you kind of rip the bag open are you gonna really eat it don't eat it well if i i'm well
that's what amy said and i said well damn i'll just do a free bag of jerky in there so if you get
10 bags the 11th one will be signed so we fixed that but um think about like if the the whole bag
was gold except for you know the little see-through to see the jerky um like coming up with some
variant yeah bags i mean is it what if you get the gold bag do you get to go to the factory i mean
yes you're gonna roll out and do a car wheel and the carpet yes come limping yeah like how got a
golden ticket yeah yes like we could do some stuff like that i'm like wow man this is so fun
thinking about ideas pressed all these buttons charlie yeah and his lazy grandpa comes out and
nobody hasn't moved in years and what happens when we go through the that was the only part we
did we talk about over here that was the weirdest part about uh the chocolate factory movie
was at the end when they're getting ready to take the thing through the ceiling
yeah the walk and he's like what happens when we go through the ceiling he's like i don't know
might cut us to shreds i was like this is a really really good movie till this moment now i'm worried
that they're gonna literally die at the very end of the movie you know fizzy lifting drink
all right go with the gold bag next one i like we could do both why can't you do it all
i mean good i guess you can do one sweepstake and then a couple months later do another one
like it doesn't have to be a but a gold bag yeah that's cool i want to have some fun let's do it
shipping people regular bags is great but it's not as fun as throwing in some gold bags man
i agree yeah i don't know who asked us in the chat but he said if you had to watch the movie every
day would you rather be smoking the bandit bandit or cannonball run oh man um oh no he didn't give us
a racing movie well the that's fine six six back or show grace right yeah well you're right there
you go six back or show her race why does it have to be a racing movie cows are we love racing
yeah i mean we're interested in it so what were the two choices uh cannonball runner
smoking the bandit smoking the bandit yeah be hard to go against that cannonball runs pretty good
though smoking the bandit easy it's definitely easier to i guess i don't know that it's good
cannonball runs a little chaotic there's a lot smoking the bandit is just switching around
smoking the bandit just straight ass cool all 100 of the time cannonball runs cannonball runs a
little different is on what a good cannonball run is like the inside of clint boyers brain it's all
over the place it is there's a lot of different characters and and celebrity cameos and yeah
there's everyone's on a different schedule different car and a different sketch yeah they're
all it's all over the place yeah so answer your your racing question though the two movies which
one oh um if i had to watch a racing movie over and over which one would it be every day every day
i gotta tell y'all man last american hero it's old yeah it's dated but jeff bridges lead actor
not a bad deal there um ralph urnhart's got a cameo in there driving his little car at
concord or metrolina and i feel like that even though the storyline even though the script is a
bit dated like it's a it's a very they made it they didn't have like a robust uh bank account to make
this money or make this movie and some of the con you know some of the conversation is a little
i don't know archaic and and not if you can see through that part of it that movie gets it right
like the plight of the racer the the it's not there's not a lot of hollywood in there there's
not a lot of fluff or make believe or twisting or are convoluting the story um so i love that's
the junior jackson's path to try to get into racing and get through and to the top um and the cars
and the way people acted and everything and the challenges that he had uh trying to get out of the
you know the steel the steel and the moonshine business i just thought it was a great story
yeah i'm a good soundtrack six packs probably similar isn't it six pack is very um i mean
real disney like and make believe like kenny rogers i was gonna say like the the path though like
no but yeah you're right kenny rogers yeah i love six pack it's badass the theme song love will turn
you around hey love that song that's a that's in my top 10 i love it but and breezy like
diane lane i mean it's a great movie love it yeah the kids being the crew all that but it's like
it's a little bit disney like like a disney like a non-cartoon what about uh what is it
grease lightning or grease lightning is great yeah i liked that one a lot richer prior he's
awesome in it in a drama not a comedy yeah like it's richard prior like we know richard prior is
like the one of the greatest comedians ever but this is richard prior playing windell scott in
in a non-comedic role period and really good movie very good movie yeah i would say that
grease lightning is probably number two yeah i like and they're they're great grease lightning
and the last american hero almost from the same era time frame like year and they're just
because it's no it's not dressed up or it's not like when you go to days of thunder great movie
but there's a lot of sensationalism and stretching of the truth in terms of you know how things happened
or would have happened what's your mount rushmore of arcade games damn
yeah billy snascar challenge yeah that would be up there on mine yeah that was pretty good
i would say yes i would put billy snascar challenge in the top three
hmm grand theft auto i mean arcade though i mean is it you gotta yeah because billy
snascar challenge didn't come out on so mike tyson's punch out mike tyson that would be number one
the not the golden t but the bowling
i didn't ever really like golden t but it play a ton of it but i love golden bowling
i have that at home i have this bowling game i lucky strike that's what it's called
that would be on during covid i took isla downstairs to the bowling game and we played it
every day and she got really good for a two two and a half three year old so these are all considered
arcades i guess donkey kong i mean that's a classic i want to be a jam was good they need to be
something you'd find at an arcade on a machine that you have yeah so mike tyson punch out
i mean for me like you strike bowling for me it would be uh does that make it does that make
tops with the stair wheels it was like four and one deal yep yep that when you walked into an
arcade and saw that there you're like oh i'm playing that yeah i absolutely played it yep
i'd add that one yeah there you go tjg do three uh i mean i had two i would do um
i mean i feel like froggers up there as well it's just an original the classic yeah i don't
know how you like everyone knows what froggers the best is when the the kids are little and the
parents just let them sit there and act like they're playing the game and it's just oh yeah
didn't even put a corner in that they're not really entertaining them for mint like it's covered
yeah i like to cruise in usa too i don't i mean that one i remember that name but i don't remember
how that game played it came out on nintendo i think as well but okay what about um mortal
combat no i never got into mortal combat yeah all right well well that's your question yeah
thank you um i appreciate everybody tuning in it's a lot of fun great conversation little quick
ass jr and had fun doing that uh thank you xfinity for um for everything you guys do they're waving
the red flag on internet price hikes and uh they're waving the green flag on savings tj waving the
green they are you get speed you get the reliable wi-fi that you want to have and it's only one price
locked in for five years they're not going to bump the price uh no surprises all that good
stuff right to victor lane with xfinity imagine that lace your bets ladies and gentlemen lace your
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in the united states i did not i did not gamble this weekend i wanted to i did but i had so much
anxiety over my race at nashville that i could not even think about doing it really yeah no time
either all that practice i couldn't i couldn't never had a chance to put put a bet in we were
practicing um great job by you uh russell uh for picking the basically telling us we should bet
golf clap yeah we should bet mr uh gibbs he's not getting full credit okay i send him a text
here we go i asked him i said what do we think about ross chestain versus carcin hosevara
chase elliot versus carcin hosevara chase is getting plus money quote bet the house okay oh
we don't have a house now oh man we we have bet the house your house spun out okay till he spun out
he was never in front of yeah i don't think he was okay then he never i don't think he was okay
except when they stayed out yeah and then he dropped he's right you can't hide on this one
ross well we're going we're going to kansas um denny hamlin is the favorite dammit
i look i like denny but damn i'm sick of him being the favorite all the time it's
ain't good stuff and he's good well it's hard enough to be the favorite i know but it's tough
for our betters because they bet on him and then he doesn't win yeah travis i don't know what you're
looking for yeah what's wrong what's wrong with denny fix denny yeah it's not my fault with the wrong
people tires that darling okay denny's a plus 500 christa rebelle plus 550
kyle arson 650 briscoe byron 850 we missing a name we missing a name
russ i i don't see blaney the guy that won the race last time who won last time chase chase elliot
he's got two wins there but he shouldn't have won that i mean yeah come on now i mean he wasn't
like but i would say he is he is a solid top 10 finish like yeah boy i mean that's going out on all
in well i don't mean that's the best average finish that kansas all drivers so um i just wouldn't
bet him to win this week man and blaney when i was away from two arson's probably gonna be in top 10
why stay away from blaney uh yeah what's wrong blaney well first off his pit crew is
oh here we go only two top 10s in the last race so he's lost like 840 spots this year is that all
from 88 so does that including penalties no that does not include that's not included penalties so
it's 80 that many straight up jesus they suck yes calm down i mean that's how many i average a race
yeah it's bad how much though does like uh a denny or reddit someone that's racing up there
have they lost because i i do think it is a little unfair to compare it to a guy that's
coming in 20th it's harder to lose as many spots okay so so denny's plus minus is is one plus one
he's plus one i like tyler retic i do too plus one thousand that's two i like i was just thinking
about that look i know tyler retic has ran very good at this racetrack over the last couple of
trips here he's qualified pretty good last last race here i think qualified 12th but before that
was fourth fourth fourth multiple times in a row he's not finished great in any stages
so there's really no reason to believe but this is a highlight racetrack i'm gonna buy into the
idea that this is a totally different race team than they were a year ago um i don't i don't love
the idea of putting money on him winning because i'm tight but i do definitely think that he's a
top 10 or a top five bet yeah top five for sure yeah wait thank you russ i know you probably
your predict your predictors gotta be keeping it honest so yeah he has him like the predictor has
him six but if you look at vegas he was not very good at vegas do we care about that yes i do i
do yeah something and not that he's bad here but something with this track and tyler just doesn't
seem to to mix as well as other places what about his teammate bubba i think bubba can run really
good they both have had good runs here just not recently but it's possible they reclaim their
their their competitiveness at this particular racetrack i mean bubba was fifth here uh in the
in the last race and obviously with the wins and success that they've had there they gotta come in
feeling like they can recapture the the the magic they once had plus one bubba needs a bubba needs
a rebound too like bubba's bubba needs bubba needs that spark this is like an opportunity for them to
to come in somewhere feeling like they maybe i feel like he goes in here with some confidence
get back on the right track yeah so good good uh good note right there by utim's plus 120 yeah
top 10 so who's the uh who's the sleepers so i like i like if we believe that bowman is back
i like bowman as a sleeper for a top 10 who believes but who believes he's back that's what
i'm asking you he's good at this track that's what i would say most top 10 of this track he's been
top 10 in six of the last seven he's got good odds i mean he's plus 260 for a top 10 i just want to
see him run i feel like bristol i feel like bristol's one of his better places too maybe it's not
but but that wasn't was he he got caught up though in the wreck right yeah but he wasn't
i don't feel like he was running very strong what about ryan priest for a for a top 10 bet
man he's running pretty good this past weekend but i'm just gonna that's
like he's been 11th or better in seven of the last nine mile and a half tracks
i mean he always seems to creep up man like he always seems to find and honestly i feel like
i feel like all three of those cars you could probably put in right in a top 10 like it'd be
the one or any one of them to me because they all run right next to each other most of the time
just uh priests and bush or maybe yeah six is just struggling six is not six was fine last week
we just bet on pit road every time i look up it's spinning you spun around yeah spun around got ran
got ran into by the 47 thankfully yeah that's only the first time i mean does that count as
wreck avoidance ran what was he doing catching you that's a good point the six has been decent
on mile and a half recently i'll give him that we were good yesterday too just sped late hurt bad
too late i'll give you one more call i like kory hyme i'm always a believer when he's in that
when he's in a race he could finish top 10 he's plus 372 that's probably why i like yeah that's
good i he's in a good car too so but this i mean i think kory does a great job but it's
cups three is tough man it'll be tough it is tj but you're trying this is a bit you're trying to
trying to predict where this guy's going to finish don't put a lot on it just a long shot
yeah a long shot that's definitely worth a long shot for sure fun one root so plus 370 what number
would you like i'm not throwing a flyer on him on him anything under plus 200 i wouldn't put that
but the sad part is if he's under plus 200 it's probably because his car is fast he's probably
going to finish top 10 you bet him before practice and qualifying right i bet him right now yeah
probably a hot he won't i don't think he'll qualify less than you know i mean top 25 and
that dodge won't change that much got you interesting um do you bet bubble allis to win
at plus 200 or plus 2500 man i'd rather bet him top 10 at plus 120 that's good that's a good odds
he'll finish top 10 he's a good result like we've been saying i win i don't necessarily think a win
wins a little bit of aggressive i think reddick's more in line for a week i think you gotta put
just a sprinkle i know i don't know i don't think so what do you think rustle you've betting on that
i'd stay away from until he gets back even five dollars one dollar two dollars come on man you
gotta put a dollar on it i'll put a dollar on a dollar yeah let's go and that was if you put one
dollar you will lose one dollar oh damn but i couldn't get 22 he's been 17 if they're worse
before that um in the in the four races before that uh yeah place last year so yeah who else
was really good at at vegas i might even have the finishing order from that race because i do think
that they're not identical tracks but they're kind of unique uh they're both similar i think in
here yeah like it gibbs was first fourth fifth and eighth
all right yeah so you gotta love the to you gotta love gibbs toiotas and i again i
gives me some hope or confidence or feel good around reddick and bubble wallace yeah and rfk
was all top 11 so tj's right and brad was 10th you have a busher was six you always you you always
remember your last top 10 i just saw it on the screen actually you never forget that last top
i think priest was 11th wasn't he he was yeah well uh let's do a top manufacturer parley
we haven't done one so let's do one i think i'm going to uh i like larson yeah i was gonna say
larson then he would do mine i go larson reddick busher was in my three hey
oh i go larson denny
and busher wow hear that brad i'm gonna do well chris is really good there he's i'll change i'll
change and i'll do yeah i'll do uh i'm gonna say blaney
i think uh busher's awesome choice i think blaney um christopher bell
and william byron bros thanks for coming out no problem thank you not too many more weeks buddy
me and you're gonna be in the booth i know yeah son's over shoulder to shoulder i see you got some
new uh you know some new papers some new oh yeah you started to look huh russ how are your one
notes your one liners for dale he'll have to wait and see yeah lord that dirty mode does segment
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About this episode
Dale Jr. and TJ break down a busy weekend: Nashville Fairgrounds’ Cars Tour run, the track’s political fight over upgrades and noise barriers, and why the racing community still believes the facility can survive and improve. They debate Ty Gibbs’ Bristol Cup win—confidence vs. championship expectations—and what happens to JGR after Joe Gibbs’ eventual departure. Connor Zillich joins to discuss winning Bristol in Xfinity, working with Rodney Childers, and the intensity gap between series. The show also covers Ryan Blaney’s pit-road struggles, qualifying format gripes, and a collector-focused chat with “King of the Cards” about card collecting and grading.
Original notes
Dale Earnhardt Jr. was back behind the wheel of his JR Motorsports late model stock at the Nashville Fairgrounds this past weekend. He joins co-host TJ Majors to discuss how the CARS Tour race went and all the action from NASCAR’s weekend at Bristol:
- The CARS Tour weekend in Nashville was a big success
- The future of the fairgrounds
- Ty Gibbs finally breaks through
- TJ catches a stray in the Ricky Stenhouse/Brad Keselowski dust-up
- O’Reilly Series race winner Connor Zilisch calls into the show
- Blaney’s pit crew problems are noticeable
- Trading card expert Kyle Kravitz joins the show
During the Ask Jr. portion of the episode, listeners sent in questions regarding:
- New hat on the Red Bull fridge in the studio
- Dale’s Goodwrench pit crew suit from when he was a kid
- Celebration in victory lane at the Nashville Fairgrounds
- Smokey and the Bandit or Cannonball Run?
- What racing movie can you watch over and over?
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