New Car-Buying Law; Century is Back; Spyker Returns?; THAT Ferrari One-Off
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Ferrari SC40
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Toyota Century
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Spyker
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Ferrari F40
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Lamborghini Countach
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BMW F80
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Ferrari Enzo
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Ferrari 458
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Ferrari SP1
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Chevrolet Corvette
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Ferrari 540 Superfast Aperta
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Ferrari 599
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F12
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BMW F12
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boxer engine
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Maserati MC20
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Ferrari 296
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Tesla Cybertruck
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supercharged
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BaT
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interior costs
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sticker price
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Targa
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low mileage
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roof scoop
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2007 LaFerrari
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Lamborghini Gallardo
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4.2 engine
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525 horsepower
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Honda Civic
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Honda Fit
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Mazda Miata
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Chevrolet HHR
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Yeah, if for those who are just joining us which is everybody because it's the start of the show
the military was doing some kind of exercise down by San Diego which
Resulted in a bunch of the highway signs and all the way up to LA because Hannah and I saw this as we were driving up the highway
There was these flat the flashing LED road signs that tell you you know
It's gonna be 20 minutes to LA X in an airport or whatever 35 minutes to downtown
They were saying live fire over highway, which
The fuck is that about?
I don't know, but I don't think it went according to plan because that headline really says it all
shrapnel hit to CHP vehicles vehicles doing Marine Corps demonstration at Pendleton
Yeah, I was genuinely curious like if this being
like, you know
Like is the reaction overblown or have they never ever done this before and then this also went wrong and then therefore it's like
I mean, I've I've I've been driving up and down
Up and down California 15 years now
I'm pretty sure I've been here about as long as those fucking things exist
It's rare enough that it made the news
So I can't say that it's never happened, but like
Making me laugh a bit so
When we heard about this celebration it was like allegedly for the Marine Corps 250th anniversary, which I guess technically is in November
I was expecting
I was like, oh man
They must put like our big ships off the shore and then they launched things over the highway like yeah
Look at what we've made an engineer and all that stuff, right?
Like like like essentially they treat cruise missiles like dolphins at SeaWorld. Yes
That's what I'm thinking perfect analogy. Yeah, that's what I expected and now I just found a photo of what
What they were sure it is so please tell me this is underwhelming it is look at that. Oh
Oh
For people listening we're looking at like five
I guess there'd be like big cannons that have just been you know put on the beach next couple of trucks
I think you'd call those anti-aircraft guns maybe maybe but they're about that size
I guess for people it's like, you know, it's like a 10 feet long
It's like a big gun on a trailer kind of and then there's a couple of tanks or something that's next to those guns
Those look like tanks, right or a tank. I see some hummers
I mean, I'm just I don't see any and I know the Marine Corps is not the Navy
So it's dumb of me to assume they'd have ships
But this is just a lot less than I thought they would have to celebrate such a no
Haven't you ever seen a few good men and keep the Sutherland's like, I love you Navy boys
Whenever we have to go fight somewhere. Yo, give us a ride. So they I don't think they have ships
I think they just ride on the Navy right? Yeah. Yeah, that's my bet. This is just
This is a smaller fireworks show. I thought when you were setting up what you were about to show me
I was like, oh, maybe they're doing like
Revolutionary warship, you know, maybe it's like old school and they're doing you know what I mean like muskets or something
Sling shots. Yeah, like well not really. Yeah, maybe I know cannons and no yeah like cannons
That's that's where I thought you were going. I guess this is the modern cannon. This is the semi-automatic cannon
It's just it's a lot less than I expected there to be but it looks like the entire line of quote live fire
weaponry is about
75 yards long. Yeah, which in the context of
Camp Pendleton, which you drive through for like 15 minutes
There you can see that running operations like helicopter training with like, you know all kinds of stuff down there in the context of what I've just seen
at Pendleton
Drive into fucking Jillian's house. Yeah, this is lame. Er than what I'm saying
Putin and Kim Jong-un would do it bigger than this. They would do it way bigger right like he's not even
Dictating well, this is this is jaw-rule and Jay-Z's watching going. That's not how you
This is like a Mar-a-Lago
Dictatorship, this isn't even like a real dictatorship. Oh man
That shit isn't like that shit in the office ain't gold
That's like spray-painted gold from Costco shit on the fucking walls in there
Maybe I think it might be real gold because that's whatever. I didn't mean to launch this
This is just funnier than I was expecting. It's pretty lame. Um, all right
Can we talk about something else? Yes, pretty lame. Yes, it's pretty lame. Yeah, sure. Did you see the new Ferrari SC 40?
No, so it's it's
Stories over the weekend to talk about it being really a sort of the inspirator. They're they're they're cashing in on their F40
Retro futurism like Lamborghini did with the Kuntas except the problem is I don't know to me and I they're only making one
It's it's for a guy. It's not as that's good. That's good. Is that that's the exact right reaction because this is bad
Really like really bad. Well, did the did the person who ordered it and I'm definitely an assumed it's a man
Oh, yes, I feel okay about that
Did is this one you know did?
Did he specify this or does this like drawn by them and they pitch it like you know
Was the guy that made the one-off thing?
Glickenhouse ten years ago none of between him
Wrap around windshield like car look great
Fuck I brought terrible the P45 thing. Maybe the P45 that's Glickenhouse. Yeah, somebody else
Okay, there's just there's been some one-offs that like that. It's very tasteful and looks really good and cohesive
and then this just looks this reminds me a little bit of the
F80 where there's like a bunch of different eras colliding life. Yeah, the problem. I think is the F40
Was a square car the edges were all square
Modern Ferraris are very curvaceous like stuff from the 60s and it's the same thing with that new
Testarosa that they've got going on. They're trying to turn a
Curvaceous car into a square like use square elements on a curvaceous car and it doesn't look right
it just looks weird like
Like the Enzo was a square was like a square car
Mm-hmm, and the F40 is a square car and the f the f50 does put the difference a little bit
But I think it's a little more square than than than curvaceous in a lot of ways, but everything that's like
458 and up is extremely curvaceous and to try and make those cars
Look square is really strange. I think it's I think this is worse than the modern cuntosh
Yeah, at least the vented doors are wedgie like at least the general shape of the car is right
Here I just found a post on road and track. That's like a here's a bow here and here's the one thing of sp38
But to support your point. Oh see I like that that at least is like
They made a curvaceous car more curvaceous, right? So if we look down the line here, we start here with the sp1
You know way back in the day built on it for 30
But you like and that actually looks like a Corvette in the back, but it gets better
You know what I I'm gonna go against the grain. I like this one. You do it
I do it's in in in in an in a so ugly. It's pretty way. We're looking at the p5 40 superfast a perta
Yeah, this looks like it's based on a 5 9 9
But it's got a they've like c3 Corvette did the back half of it
This is weird dude. It's really weird, but I like it in its weirdness
I I I would fuck with this one especially in this fucking insane gold color
I think the owner will be very happy to learn. There's someone he could sell the car to
That's really mean
But you know as we go down like they like you said it's a curvy car that gets curvy or it kind of stays with the
Right original vehicle, and I think it gets even better with like the TRS like these buttresses
Yeah, that f12 rs is pretty cool
I am a big fan of that one, you know all of these based on as the one I was
Like this is the captain. That's so this one is really interesting. This is where they tried to do
512 boxer details on a 458. I
Don't personally love this one, but I think it's like I do think it kind of works
I think it works well in the back. I don't think this is great. There's something like the headlights seem too high
Yeah, well, they didn't do you know
They had to keep the 458 headlights and greenhouse for this one
They seem more willing to change them shits in the newer ones
Yeah, I don't know if that's because of low volume regulations or if it's because they just for more money
They don't give a fuck or whatever, but
Like that you know special a MM looks good the NM was it was alright
Yeah, I mean it that that one doesn't do so much. This is what I was thinking of SP 38
Yeah, I just but I think to your point, you know these all like they don't seem like they deviate too much from the original car
Yeah, and get crazy or that they're colliding a bunch of different generations together, and then you go over here
This is straight. This is round that they try to do like they try to do rectangle headlights like the f40
But it wraps around the outside of the nose which seems round and modern it ends up looking like an mc20 kit car
It really does like it looks like you know the headline should be man in rural Russia
builds his own mc20
And with that I've been uninvited from every
Does my thought I'm like, you know we didn't get invited to them anyway
This is yeah, it's just it's so weird a lot. There's just a lot. There's a lot of different shapes. Yeah happening
Yeah, and man
white wheels
like
Dude, no no f40 has color-matched wheels. What are you doing?
Yeah, they have silver wheels. I think white on white is
Tough me an integral type bar with white and white. It's a rally rally car. It's a rally. Okay, but I still would prefer contrast
Yeah, I'm not saying this car should be red black or or you know red red or whatever, but like God
It's there's just it's it's actually it's hard to look at
It's like this front three-quarter
Improves the angle like it like improves like marginally, but but still like no
Well, I also like this this intake right by the door. It's like a polygon
You know, it's like straight it then it hooks straight straight, but over here. It's very round
You know, I'm not like an automaker an automotive designer
But that's what stands out to me that you've got things back here that are like very angular trapezoidal and then up here
We go. No, no, we're back to round and organic and they're doing the floating
Lip thing like they're doing on the new car. Just a lot of things happening
They're shot of the back
This like the rear rear three-quarter above that is all-day MC 20. Yeah
It's not I don't even see an f40 there. I see MC 20. Yeah, I see I see no f40
All right, I don't know what dude. They don't
They're they're not they're not making a car that I want right now
296 is good 296 is good
but other things I think are as good dynamically now and
Don't have to don't have the annoying interfaces that the 296 has true like the 296 if that was the only way to get that
kind of experience I would go okay, but
750 yeah 750 works better amazingly enough
I can't believe I'm saying that a 750 is more straightforward and works better and has a better interface
Yeah, then a then a 296 does
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remember the
Cybertruck you scooter you rode the infinite machine so I met the founder
At this like tech week thing the same one I forgot the same one with the the swarm boats that I
Forgot that I had talked to him, but he you know he emailed me and I was drinking you see and
he showed me
his next projects and
I don't have pictures or anything like that, but like essentially
They're they're like kind of keeping it mobility and some of their couple of their designs for like
Smaller like they have like a foldable e-bike. Yep
It's like what they have like a stand-up scooter. That's pretty cool. Like some of their like sort of minimalist
Designs for more like mobility devices. I actually thought we're very cool nice
And if like if that's the direction they're going as opposed to more like, you know
Things that require registration and are faster and whatever and look like Cybertruck's then then I can get down
Yeah, here's there like their website. They have one of their smaller scooters
Um
Yeah, so like that one that one actually is even the two he showed me were like slimmer and more minimalist than that one got it
Yeah
But um
Yeah, the alto. Yep
Is the is like the current one and they have a smaller version of it and then they have a stand-up
Be one that they're working on gotcha. Okay
But he was a he was insistent that the small ones would have the you know the proper grade breaks and suspension and stuff nice
Okay, nice guy actually
um
And then uh just yesterday it was announced that fucking spikers coming back
I didn't really know I assumed they you know ran out of money or something
I didn't really look into what was happening with spiker, but it seemed like there was it seems now that there was a
Uh a dispute over who owned the rights to it
Um, and so victor muller who was the guy
Um wrote on you know social media that that that they had re-secured all of the rights to spiker
Which is pretty much what they've been trying to do for the last like 10 years. I guess
Um, wow, you know, we last saw them. They were about to make that suv thing
They were about to make their second car. They made a couple prototypes. They never quite got it off the ground
but like
now that you know
Anti screens is like a new thing in sports cars like they're pretty well poised to come back and be like
Art deco interior. You sure? Yeah toggles. Would you like some toggles?
Would you like some machine turned a little imagine how mad they've been the last all they're trying to do is secure the rights
And they're watching the trend
Move into the space that they owned like for years and they're like we know how to do this
Just give us the paperwork and they had to like make this motherfucker look like a zeppelin in five minutes. Let's go
Yeah, but that's kind of exciting though. Like I mean, did you ever drive one? No wait
Maybe when we drove one at spring mountain, you know, we went early. I think I drove that one
Did you and that was it and I love them. I'd buy one so fast that one was super charged
I know it was good with the four two, right? Yeah, those are those are fucking good cars there
Can you look on on on bat and see what the
Recent sales were because they were crazy my fucking they couldn't give those things away
um
I think they went out of business because they were spending 200 grand on the interior and they were selling them for like 100
Yeah, I mean they were not expensive that last one that galpin had
Uh and and and my friend seth finally bought it for like 140 grand after the the original stickers started with a three
And then during the pandemic all of a sudden they jumped up to like 400 g's
Like what's the look 330? Yeah, they're all it's they've all got a three, right?
Two 270, but I mean you are you're easily spending 300 grand. Yeah
Wow, this is 505
Well, that's a la fiolette, which is the hard top, but it's also a targa
So it's a removable hard top and it's a low mileage car
That may they're all pretty low mileage
Yeah
The hard tops were rare the la fiolettes were the
Yeah, the la fiolettes were the shit. They had the coolest roof scoop ever dude
Go look at the black one the 4 000 mile one that you just said look at the roof scoop on that fucking thing
This is
These cars were so rad. I really liked driving them. They're rowdy. I mean it's a glass roof
Split by a fucking roof scoop and those panels pop out
That's pretty cool. So you can pop out the side panels and then keep the fucking roof scoop there
That's that's that's ridiculous. It's pretty incredible. And this was a this was an 07
So this was at the end. So it got oh no, this one had a this has a different steering wheel entirely
Yeah, that's a decent steering wheel. That's so this that's actually the I've never seen that steering wheel actually
But that is the the third steering wheel. I've seen the original steering wheel is the the the fucking
Criss-craft steering wheel the vintage lake boat steering which is unbelievable
And then they started using the guillardo steering wheel because they had to do airbags no one like that
So either this was an airbag wheel and this got
Or this may have been
A european spec car that had the airbag exemption, but they didn't make the
The criss-craft wheel anymore. This looks like it's out of like a lotus. Yeah, it does look like a lotus. Yeah
And what amazing cars
These things were kick ass. They sounded so cool the 4.2 with a really short exhaust sounded great
Vf made the blower. It was good for 525 horsepower and it was just all like
Everything was like just super polished metal
It just looks like an airplane that you drive on the ground like an old fighter plane
I think I wouldn't go laviolet. I think the regular
C8s are beautiful
It makes a great roadster for sure. Yeah, it's a gorgeous roadster
The laviolets are just much rarer so they happen to be worth more
But man, this is just this is a great shape. Yeah, I I love those cars. So yeah, I mean
Yeah, I you can see why they've I mean
They're so pretty, you know the 4 out of 4.2 isn't like the most dependable engine, you know, whatever, but it's
By supercar standards, it's a pretty known quantity. It's easy to keep running
um
At least you could get parts for it at an like an outy dealership versus if you have a conic seg
Yeah, well and also like if you have if you've got one of these, you know
Oh, wow, go up. I've never seen that. I've never seen the hard top installed on one of those. How weird
It's super weird, but is there another picture go up? Is there another picture of it on?
The only picture of it on
That's the criss-craft steering wheel. God, that's unbelievable. I mean that interior
The first time I mean this was oh
Five, right? So I had just started making videos 0506
Vinnie was the spiker pr guy
And when I drove one of these I was what the fuck is this crazy thing. It was great
And had no traction control. It was rowdy like a cobra. It was awesome
Um, oh, there's a side profile. There's a hard top right there. Yeah
Wow, that's crazy looking with the hard top on
I've never seen that before how cool weird. Yeah
Um, so there so they might come back though
Well, I bet if you've already got one of these you're super stoked because they'll be able to service it
Now there's got to be like some
You know, I who know I'm sure we could figure out who the guy is that services these things, but it's probably a pain in the dick
Yeah
Okay, there's there. Oh, that's their only way. This is the whole web page right entire website is
We win and we're back
And then it goes to the rest of their website and then it goes to the old stuff. Okay
Yeah, it's like a workspace to me. That's pretty cool, huh?
Um, and then, you know, also I saw this over the weekend this cars act thing in california. It's new law in california that uh
Fucking knew some signed. This is pretty cool. This is like a really
Uh, that's it right there top story. The um, uh, the this this is a super consumer
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essentially
There's a lot more disclosures the dealers have to do about the total costs of things
They're they're a lot more prohibited from sneaking in like add-on shit like undercoding or any of that shit
They have to disclose. It's more disclosures about gap insurance and stuff like that
but also
there's
A bunch in the past if you want any like add-ons like an extended
Warranty or like, you know, the wheel and tire protection, whatever
You had to do it before you, you know walked out of there with the car
Now you can do 10 days from day of purchase
You can add that on and the biggest one is for used cars under 50,000
There's a three-day return
Law, yeah, so if you put less than 400 miles on the car don't damage it and you don't damage it
You can return that car. Yeah, which is I think that's a first nationally. I've never heard of that nationally
Um, at least in California, you know, there's a they make a very big deal about no cooling off period
And basically that means once you sign this shit, this is your car, right?
So now you can return it as well
I think it's
From a consumer side if you know if you buy a used car
I mean the stories of used car salesmen are varied a lot of them are bad
But if you buy a car you get home and you go, oh something's broken
You didn't negotiate for the warranty whatever to be able to go back there
I'm assuming that's a big angle for this protection and go. Hey, like this is messed. I don't want this
This is not what I this is not what you said it was going to be. Yeah
Or I mean, you know, you saw it on the lot you like the color you you drive it for a day or two and you go
850 a month maybe yeah, thing
That's a bad idea. You know, you go. Maybe not, you know, maybe let me let me let me cut and run now instead of being just totally stuck for
144 months or what that's funny. It's the refractory period law
You're like now that you've calmed down from the purge and the excitement of the new car
Do you really want this thing? Yeah
I mean
It wouldn't have worked for my focus rs because it was new at the time
But like I fucking on day three. I was like, oh, this is gonna need some work. These chairs are not right
Jesus. I'm not right here with this. Yeah, but I mean I just I think that's awesome
Is there other other things in here that I've missed? Let's uh, let's see several stringent requirements
Prohibition of misrepresentations
You cannot misrepresent material information about the vehicle including cost financing terms and add-ons
Clear and conspicuous disclosures
Regarding among other things the total price and the voluntary nature of add-ons
There's a ban on valueless add-ons. So there's a
Dealers are barred from charging for add-ons that do not benefit the purchase purchaser
Such as unnecessary warranties or services. I wonder
Where they draw the line. Yeah, that seems
There needs to be that seems vague
There needs to be a clarification on that
Like does nitrogen filled tires benefit the purchaser, right? Like most of the times like absa fucking Lutely not
It does not but it's like they'll put $200 for that on there, right?
But the three-day right to cancel
So it offers the first time ever a cooling off period
And also a record retention thing where dealers have to retain records demonstrating compliance with the act for two years
But uh, I mean look that it's going to be a little more work for dealers
They're probably going to be annoying by annoyed about it. There's probably going to be some
Lobby fighting it but like
Fuck that dude, you know what I mean? Like if if uh, if this is a reaction to dealers acting shady and fucking people over
That's these are these are laws written in people's fucking blood
Uh, essentially not hopefully not literally but you know what we mean
Um, I don't know. I think I think this is good
I don't I don't really see other than there being more work for a dealer and other than potential vague language on
What a valueless add-on is
um
I wonder if we can there's the law
Is that the link to the to the law up top? Maybe we can actually if we want to if we can find quickly in the law
Um, what valueless means? I don't know if we can command f that motherfucker, but
uh
I'd be interested to see if there is if there's literally a uh
A line where they've drawn a value to that term. It's not in there really no
Um, all right. Well, I I have a long flight coming up. So I can actually download this and maybe read some of it
I read the I read the story. I just read and read the actual fucking
8 000 word law. Sorry
um
but either way I think I think
Net positive for consumers even if the language on valueless is uh vague
And don't get the nitrogen in the tires ever. That's just what he was sucker. That's dumb. Oh, look
Okay, a dealer cannot charge for an add-on product or service that won't benefit the consumers such as
Nitrogen filled tire related products or services the fuck out of here contain less than 95 percent nitrogen purity
Oh wait
That's that that contain less than 95 percent nitrogen purity. Well, I guess prove it
Sure, I mean, yeah, but maybe now was that now was that an adjustment that was written by the dealership lobby to adjust it
Or was that a problem where they were just giving people regular air and saying there's nitrogen in there
I mean see that is really interesting. Is it just a total scam or just a mild scam?
Uh, don't provide coverage
They got a guy they got to have a guy going with a thing going this one. This one is totally pure
I've never seen nitrogen like this before 85 percent. Can I can I please take this home 90 percent?
Uh, you can't charge for oil changes for electric vehicles
That's fucking the fact that that's in there
catalytic converter markings for a vehicle that does not have a catalytic converter
Surface protection product that renders the manufacturers warranty for the paint job void. Oh shit
Oh, I wonder if that's ceramic coating
I think that's ceramic coating. Oh, so if you ceramic coat a car
I mean, I don't necessarily think that's true at all
But if you improperly applied ceramic coating, let's say
And it fucking fogged up and like hazed up your whole shit
And you took the car to the dealer and tried to claim warranty
They might tell you to kick fucking rocks as and they probably should
Well, this is saying the dealer can't charge for these things
Right, right. So the dealer right the dealer can't then
Charge the dealer can't charge you for a ceramic product
Only to then turn around and void your paint warranty because your car has a ceramic coating
You definitely should not be allowed to do that. Um, that's fucking crazy, dude
Yeah, I'm I'm really I'm interested to find out like was this written from consumer side or because you know
Some laws and bills are written in partnership. Yeah, and there's a lot of like
Things that get snuck in that don't do anything and they're they're seen by lawmakers as helpful and it's really written by lobbyists
It's not helpful
But this might be
If these are examples of really terrible shit that was being done that is so atrocious. They must be yeah, these are incredibly specific
Yeah, these are absolutely things that are very specific. They were going it's really close to including someone's name like terry stevens can no longer
Yeah, yeah sell you and also
Chevy of fucking denver can fucking kick rocks, you know
Yeah, that's so the nitrogen again
How are we auditing the purity of the nitrogen in the tires?
There's there's people that will go uh do that they'll go in they'll get their tires filled
They'll take their tire to a lab bro. We could be sure that could be us
We could be we could be nitro brothers
There's our new channel the nitrous brothers dude. Do you want to something really funny?
So I we have to have our lift serviced at south bay and i'm willing to i'm gonna say the name of the business
We use they didn't they didn't there's no discount or anything
But just because it's funny and actually so far i'm happy with their work
But phil was looking for a new company to service our lifts
We weren't happy with the old company and it turns out based on what the new company found rightly so
There was just nothing dangerous, but like they were like i wouldn't have done this like this so okay get fixed whatever
The name of the company was dr. Hydraulics and i was like yeah, that sounds good dr. Hydraulics like that dude's bouncing on the weekends with 16 switches
I hope so and during the day. He's making fucking good pistons work, right?
And he rides and you know he's working and i'm like i liked i was like honestly i got the name
I just like the name i chose you like i choose a bottle of wine
I just like the name
And i was like i think dr. Hydraulics is fucking cool and he goes oh
I don't mean to correct you
Not a doctor i mean school no it's it's dr. Hydraulics like the guys initials are like da da da
I'm gonna say his name capital r there aren't periods
Sure, but is it a lowercase r no it on the truck. It's capital d capital r
No, it's all caps. It's just all caps. That's really funny. So he's like no, it's not dr. Hydraulics is dr. Hydraulics
I was like listen men
Let people think it's dr
Yeah
That's more sense. Don't don't don't blow up fantasy. That's literally why i write so many ads
You know it's why you're here. You're i'm sure you're gonna do a good job
But like that's how i've chose you in the sea of this got a problem. See the doctor. What are you doing?
Yeah, he's like no, no you go see dr. No, no, you go see the doctor call the doctor
Exactly does your machinery have a fever?
Call the doctor. It's got a it's got a runny nose. So there you go. It's a little sweaty. Yeah, yeah
Oh man, maybe a little shaky
Call the doctor
um
And then the last thing I had on my list is that apparently uh
Apparently
Lexis can't get fancy enough and so toyota is now launching a new brand called century
Above lexus
You know you and I like toyota centuries. Yeah, that makes some sense
Um, and you know hunday went with a hunday genesis and then genesis they that that that succession of how words work
follows an arc
Um, but yeah toyota is gonna basically try to build bentley's essentially
I think they probably can
um
Because they built an ls 400
But I wonder how like well question is how
Much parts sharing will there be and actually it doesn't really matter these days because now you can have a bmw
That's underneath underneath a Rolls Royce and they do a great job of hiding. You know where it comes from
Yeah, so if toyota can do that
And the styling's good
And the cars work
You know, I think that's pretty cool. Well. Yeah, so like the last
What do I picture a century as traditional styling on a modern platform?
um
Incredibly like sumptuous materials
A bunch of fucking gadgets. Yeah lots of cool gadgets cup holders and like really innovative uses of like
Flexible space like when you the your feet could go through the back of the passenger seat for a footrest. Yeah shit like that, you know
but it has to be like
Super japanese
Really jet like the way that a Rolls Royce is super british. It's got to be super japanese and how so what does that what does that mean to you?
like
Like a Rolls Royce is stately in like in like this sort of like upright way like they're very like
Vertical very true. You know what I mean? The dash is very vertical dashes are vertical the grill slats are very vertical
Everything's kind of up. They're all tall. They're tall sedans right castle like
The japanese stuff. It's like a little like a little wider a little like lower and wider
Like better a bit better like stance maybe
But the way
The exterior is like
fancy
But like turned down like muted. Oh sure. Yeah, they're usually a lot more subtle
Yeah, I mean Rolls Royce
They've gotten more subtle and they but they you know for decades
They were like look at this giant fireplace silver grill in the front
And now it's like a little bit more subdued because the cars be more aerodynamic
But it's still the way there you want kind of a squared off roof with it with the rolls
It really was either. I mean with either
I don't know. I think you could do swoopy and just make it look, you know, I think if it's I think the car has to be
Beautiful like Mercedes had that that concept that was shown last week. I think that looked like the new cellar. Oh, yeah
The look like with the new grill. I was like, oh, they made that work
I've seen a long time the grill is is like the late 70s early 80s grill
There's a 1930s fire happening vertical the vertical grill like from the 600 grocer
And the 280 se like that grill. What was it? Oh, shit. I don't know
That new Mercedes vision iconic
The uh, it's all about that front grill really the rest of it's like actually I don't really care that much for but the grill is extremely cool
That that really works
Actually, I don't want to say I don't care for it. The rest of it reminds me of the mybok excellero concept from like 10 years ago
They just smoothed it out a little bit
Um
You know this back. It's very sl of course. Yeah very sl very 300 Galway elongate everything
But like what I'm saying this to me looks
Just as you know sexy and stately
Been faster, of course then like a Rolls Royce or something with a more vertical, right? Cabin to it. Yeah
Anyway, I don't know so century. What do you think you think, uh
Do you think the public will accept? I mean, I don't you know, I think that there was a time that alexis was like
In the early 90s like in a lot of ways alexis was like a better car than a fucking Rolls Royce, honestly
I mean an LS 400 was objectively a better car than my turbo r even though the turbo r
was like metal and like really
um
It was like that sort of
That old school like serviceable like a fucking
Like an aga stove or something like that like one of those stoves from like the
1800s that lasts like a thousand years and made of iron like that's what the Bentley is
Then the lexus represented
The newest smoothest quietest most refined thing lexuses are still kind of that
But they don't have that over the top build quality that they used to have so
Century needs to be that it needs to be this ridiculously over the top quality. Yeah, I agree
I think they can they just need to put the work into it, which they will
I think and it's that and then the power plant like what's the power plant going to be is that going to be exciting to people?
you know, it can't be
If it's like a camry v6 with a hybrid assist that gives it a total of 500 horsepower that's not enough it needs to have
Some magic. Yeah. Yeah, that'll be pretty lame
it would be
It I think what could work is if it was a fairly powerful EV with a super smooth
onboard generator so that it could essentially drive
forever
Essentially, it would be funny if toyota finally dove into the EV market, but it was only at like the 300,000
I don't know about that. I don't I don't think I don't think any pure luxury EV at, you know, 200,000 plus is really gonna work right now
But if it is a range extended EV that would allow you to drive
indefinitely
That probably would work better as long as the gas engine was super super smooth
Like you would have to like almost not know when it was running
Which I think is possible actually. I think I think
toyota or I mean remember the champagne glass
Like anyone can fucking do it. They can do it and they did and that was with a v8
Which and other cars get a lot of vibration. Yeah, like they could do it. So it's just a matter of like
Not giving a fuck how much they're gonna spend just just go for it. Whatever it costs. That's cool. Yeah
Yeah, uh
Anything that you would like to talk about or should we just go to the people? I have a quick story
What you got man?
A car from my family will be visiting your
painter person this week your uh, touch up
Oh here. Yeah
Sarah's car got hit and it was a very very very small but
It's kind of a funny story
Like it was the end of friday and friday was not going well for me for like our dog was sick
I found out some family news that wasn't good. I had been
Arguing with medical records things on my back. Like it was a really shitty saturday
We're driving home and we are stopped in traffic
And a car backs out of a weed dispensary
and hits us
We're not moving
And I get so mad like I get out of the car. I'm like, this is just not the right time
I'm gonna fight somebody. I'm like, I'm not going to attack somebody
But I'm real pissed and I look at there and I I pause and I look at their car and I see backup camera
I go great. There's no excuse for what just happened
And then I walk up to the window and the woman's like a 72-year-old art teacher with her 71-year-old friend
And they're and like diffuses immediately like I'm not gonna yell at you
And they were so sweet apologetic and it was so adorable
They're like, oh, we just wanted to get some weed because I had knee surgery
I'm like, that's the cutest thing I've ever heard. Like I want you to have that too. I can't be mad at you
No, not at all pull your car out for you. Exactly. Yeah, and so that's what that's how it went down
So it's just they offer to pay. Oh, yeah, they did they offer to pay for it and it's a little like scuff
And it's just we got we got the guy you got fix it. Yeah. Yeah, we got the guy. It's fine. But like that's a bummer
Yeah, I mean, I'm glad it was that I'm glad that was it because like
If you were gonna go yell at the guy, he might have told you go fuck yourself and you might get nothing
Right to fucking call it cops or whatever. Like this is like, oh, you're good for it. You know
It could not have gone better. Yeah, it was just a bummer of a thing. Yeah. Was it the fucking weed story about my house?
No, it was over. We were dropping our near Lincoln. Oh, okay
But it was funny about that back out of that one by my house you people fucking back out of it
Would they don't busy street busy. This was similar. It was like thoroughfare
Everyone's you know, so everyone's doing the la cut
But she gets out of her car and it's still like halfway in the road
Which you shouldn't have left it there
But the security guy who works at the weed place who's got like his gun and tack belt was not helping traffic
It was almost like he's like I'm better than that. I filled out the forms. I have a gun
I'm not helping with parking anymore. I'm going to store. I ain't a fucking valet. Exactly. Yeah
Oh, the fucking the guard at my weed store. How was that two weeks ago? Had a fucking bandage on his hand
I was like, uh, I was like, oh man, what happened? He goes, hey, I cut myself a little bit. I go. Yeah, how'd you do that?
He goes punch through a guy's fucking window. I was like, okay, cool. Wow. Yeah, how hard that is to do
Yeah, I don't know. But he said the guy came in and was fucking starting mad shit in the store. I was like, all right
You're good. Cool that
Wow, yeah, this guy's if he didn't use an implement to punch that window that is a really
This guy is not far off of like dany trejo in the early 90s. He's fucking legit
Do you remember there's a video that went around the internet years ago and we'll get the questions where
some
You know some dude gets out of his car
He's really mad and he walked and this person starts filming in there on their phone
And he walks up to their window to the driver's side and he starts punching it to try to break through it
And it's like seven punches does nothing and then he's like, he's yelling. He's going crazy
Bam bam, I'm not getting through the window and then his wife walks up and just pulls him away
He was like, I'm tough like your mom just came to get you after you didn't get through this window
Yeah
Oh boy, um
Yeah, uh before we get to the questions, uh, november
Second that's a sunday be at the hilton head concourse if you're in the hilton head, uh, south carolina or savannah georgia area
Please come out say hi if you have anything, uh, else to to do that's fun surrounding that event by all means
Fucking get in the dms and let me know what's going on
Uh, and then uh, if you're in la and a watch nerd
Uh, uh, particularly a what a grand seiko nerd. I will be appearing at the gs nine club event
Which is the grand seiko owners club. Um, and that's november 8th. I believe it's a saturday
Um, and again if you're in la, uh, you can register for that through your normal gs nine club events rsvp's
It's not going to be that big. It will definitely sell out, but it's gonna be fun. So come on and hang cool and then lastly
Um, blue ridge ramble, excuse me. It's not called that anymore strike that reverse it the blue ridge 500
You see it turns out there was a guy
Who had an event called that?
already we did not know and he got mad
One might say rightfully so yeah, and so we changed our the name of our event
Sure because first one to the name gets the name and we didn't know so we changed the name
It's now the blue ridge 500
Um, you can come drive with me. It's the first one you've ever done that has two race track experience
It's got the pec where you will do, um, the the full the pec program
It's like they're they're a two hour program that you would do
We're doing that in their cars and you can choose which car you do it in just depending on, you know, your budget
rs's are kind of expensive in case you knew
And then atlanta motorsports park
Chara hall of skyway tail of the dragon bourbon tasting noxville nashville pat long
I have hired pat long to come down
Um, and we're gonna do a fireside chat
But also he's going to be giving thrill rides in a karara g a new karara gts
One of the hybrid ones which with pat driving that will be a an amp
That track is such a roller coaster. Yeah, it will be it'll be serious with pat. That'll be i'm going on a ride
That'll be really fun. And of course i'm driving a 918, which is
silly
Uh, a couple spots left. I know it's last minute, but if you want to
Fucking come meet us in atlanta for a good time. Uh experiences dot rodentrack.com
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Spencer says after watching the last 10 laps of the bathurst 1000
I was wondering if either of you has done much fast driving in the wet. Do you love it? Hate it
I have and I don't really like it
I've never I think the only time I've done fast driving in the wet on track that I can remember is new zealand
Uh, I mean I've done a lot of it
In high school and afterwards I can the canyons and stuff. Um
I don't know. It's kind of fun, but like, you know, you definitely reduce speed
Like I'm definitely not pushing the edge of anything in the wet and trying to find
You know improve that skill on public roads. Like it just is what it is not in the wet
I mean, I I've done wet track days before and although I think there's a lot to learn from them
I wouldn't I don't prefer that
I've been to racing schools where it rains and they're like, you're so lucky
You know, it's meanwhile, it's open wheel cars and I'm like fucking soaked
You know, they'll just say how lucky you are you get to race in the rain and you know learn a different thing and whatever
Um, and I understand where they're coming from, but all things considered. I think I prefer to race in the fridges
I'd like to do more wet track days, but that's a luck of the draw thing. I love drive
I mean, I love on if I'm on a road trip and it rain like I love a rainy day drive
Like that's a fun novelty to me. I don't get to experience that often
So like I don't mind rain at all when I'm out driving
But but if we're talking about racing, I prefer not
I I think some of the most scared I've ever been in a car was mid ohio in the wet
That's that's a slippery place, right? It was like ice
It was crazy how slick it was because of the pavement. They've redone and stuff, right?
It's terrifying in the wet and you if you get grass you just slide like half a mile into the woods. They never find you again
Um
Under the cuff wants to say oh wants asked you have me and johnny ever thought of doing voiceover work
You know, it's funny. I met a voice actor last night and he was like you should do I don't know
I don't know what to do. I got to figure out how to do voiceover work. It seems easy
um
And uh, what character would I I would like to do anybody who wants seth rogan
But I will charge one third of what he charges
Perfect easy done work
domesticated jaguar x j s
Did I get a headset to use uh while leading the road and track drives? Yes, I did
I did use the heads. I did get a headset. It does
Help most of the time although on the long drive keeping that thing in my ear for like six hours is not great. Yeah, it hurts
Uh
Ferrari driver therapist says how would your garage change if you weren't worried about making content or weren't able to write off a portion of your
Expensive expenses would you have similar daily drivers and fun cars? That's a really good question
Um
I don't think I buy anything just for making content. I think I would make some content about
Anything I buy because why wouldn't I?
um
I think if you were aimed at
maximizing content from
Your purchases like if you were making purchases based on what could get maximum engagement you'd buy you'd buy different cars for sure different things
Yeah, yeah, yeah for sure. Um
And
I don't know. I maybe I maybe would have just got another maki instead of the tycon honestly, but i'm i'm not
But i'm happy I did it's fine
um
It would actually be more like I would
Let my wife just buy whatever the fuck car she wanted instead of me injecting my
automotive needs into her
Uh life like really?
Yeah, like I think I I think like
with with the maki and and um
The other cars before that like
No, not really that just those two just the Porsche and the maki
I I didn't I was like this is what we're getting. I wasn't like I let her drive it
I you know, I wanted her input, but it wasn't like just go get whatever you want. I don't I don't care
I'm I'm hands off which is what I did for two cars for her before
And you know, she just had what she wanted and it wasn't we never hardly mentioned it. So
Anyway, it was more like when we went from two cars to one
In terms of daily drivers that that's when it mattered. Um, Paul says, uh
Okay, my girlfriend drives a uh jcw mini that was handed down to her
Uh, she's been looking at more family friendly cars and the new mini countrymen has caught her eye
What should I convince her to cross shop with instead of the countrymen?
Or is it not as bad as I think it would be?
Hmm, I mean I haven't driven a countryman in a while. I haven't driven one since probably 2015. Um
So I have absolutely no idea
I think
Uh
I'm not trying to be disparaging to mini cooper
I would look at consumer reports because and well one question is how long do you keep cars for because the other ones you listed masa toyota honda
uh
Really good reliability records at least for toyota and honda for sure
Are you going to keep this car for like 10 to 12 years? Are you guys going to lease it?
Are you going to own it for three years and want to switch things like that might influence your decision?
A lot countrymen super fun, but you should always know what you're getting into
So I would look at like consumer reports and reviews of the new countrymen
And the other ones you're thinking of too and like masa's toyota's honda's you're talking about small crossovers like
I'm sorry, but like we don't drive those like I could not tell you the difference in back seats between those
Yeah, that's the back seat of sarah's rav is nice
Okay, but like that's not fun. And it's not it's not a three row either
Uh, and yeah, the raf war is not a fun car. It's a good car. Yeah the masa cx 50. We had
Briefly was a little more fun, but honestly way too stiff for the street and also just a two-row car
I might I mean
I might look at like an outie q3
Or q5 if you don't want three rows the crv has I think an inch more rear seat room than the rav four does
Which but we chose the rav four for other reasons and as you said like you've sat back there
I've sat back there. It's actually a really spacious place to be but these are not fun cars. I don't know and I mean by the way
I don't
I mean if she really wants a countryman
like let her get one
True also that you know like
I don't know whether i'm the baxter or the jag
That is the best pearl jam one i've seen yet. Bravo. Very good
Are any kit cars actually worth the shit or is it up to the builder to fabricate the shittiness out of them?
Well, first you have to define kit car
like
A lot of things that people will refer to as kit cars aren't really kit cars. They're like replicas that are built
You know by a a shop and you you are delivered a turnkey car. It's just
Uh, you know, maybe the chassis and the body and the engine arrived to this builder, you know separately
There are ones you can build yourself. You could build a cobra yourself catering you can build a catering yourself
and I mean
In my in my experience like
Are the ones you build yourself like much worse than the ones you would buy completely built or is it basically the same shit?
um
That's a good question
Uh, because we had help from a mechanic friend of ours with our car
Like I know a friend of mine
They him and his dad bought a catering that they assembled themselves
And they did run into some issues with like the diff and they had to talk to cater them about oh, this is a manufacturing problem
We've run into so I think if you if it's built for you at the place
That stuff will probably get ironed out before you pick it up
And if you build it yourself you might have to discover these things and troubleshoot it or troubleshoot it with the company you bought it for
I think the biggest thing is
If you if you're replicating or buying if you're building a kit based on a car that's from the 60s
It will feel correct because those cars were simply made
But if you're trying to build a new a Ferrari from the 90s out of a kit
It's gonna feel like crap. It's gonna be it's gonna be terrible. Yeah, so I mean
um
There's a lot of like sort of track you could do like an exit set
You know that's sort of a kit that you you could start you start with a uh
Amiata
It's that other one the factory five like eight one eight. Can you still do those where you start with a wrx?
I still do that. Um
I mean these are all going to be pretty raw
Unrefined experiences no matter what yeah, and even if you even if you spend 300 grand at super performance to get a gt40
That's going to be a it's going to be screwed together nice
But that's a that's a raw unrefined experience no matter what so there's no such thing as like building your own 9 11
And having it come out like a 9 11
That shit don't happen
You know I feel like for me that they're worth the shit if they do a decent job of replicating the experience of the real one
And it's like if the steering's good the brakes are good the power like if it feels pretty buttoned up
That's what I would ask for if you start going
I don't know the windows don't roll up that well or something then you're just you're putting yourself up for disappointment
Uh pts white says uh, we all know what band is your number one jam. What are some other favorites?
music
I I love the gaslight anthem. I love rise against. I love
Billy Joel. I love
Counting crows their albums their recent live performance was fucking not impressive to me at all
um
I love springsteen
I love a lot of stuff
from the
Mid to late 90s that was not like a particularly well
Regarded era in music like there's a band called fuel that me and had two great albums
And then broke up and me and larry saw them a bunch of times. They were great
Um offspring was awesome. Oh, yeah loved offspring still love offspring. They're they're fucking awesome
um
and so and like uh
a lot of um middle 90s hip hop tupac biggie that era of
Of uh of hip hop guns and roses still strong, right? Guns and roses still strong. Yeah, I mean, uh
They don't make my top 10, but but uh solid band for sure
Um, and if you get to I mean if you get to see metallica like not everybody loves metallica
But fuck me do they put on a show that's that is um
You know pearl jam is is very jammy
You know as far as rock goes, you know when people think of jam bands
They think of like fish and the dead and shit, but pearl jam is like is kind of a jam band or it's halfway to jam band
Um metallica is the opposite. Yeah metallica is precise precise precise precise. Um, oh boy
Hope that didn't pop. Um
Bad what about you zack?
Uh from the 90s stuff like guns and roses green day offspring for sure metallica. I listened to that a lot
and then
AFI no effects
Um fury 66, which is a very obscure band and good riddance and then like hip hop
Kind of love the map like underground stuff, but also definitely lots and lots of mainstream beats
I mean try to listen to 50 cent like that whole first album of his like you can you listen to the whole thing
Yeah, you're like yep that i understand why it sold all the records in the world. It just dominated everything. Yeah
Uh bad gardener says bat's most viewed listing in september was a 69 copo chavelle sold for
210 000 a lot, but not nearly as much as the other most viewed cars. Can you explain this to me?
I don't know. Can is it possible to find that it?
um
Well a 210 000 for a chavelle. Um, it also the the title is it's a copo l 72 for 27 chavelle
um
How many views did I have i'm just 243 comments wow
28 000 miles on the car. Well here. I I think I think the number of comments
Uh wow 87 000 views 3200 watches so in my opinion and this will be actually be interesting because um zack
I'm going away right right now coming back, but then zack is going away
And while he's gone i'm gonna have rob deets
Aka wobb on the show here and wobb is the the most prolific bring a trailer seller of all time
And so we're gonna have we're gonna have a lot of insights about bring a trailer
From wobb, which will be really interesting, but my guess is
This has probably been restored
There's a lot a lot a lot to fucking go over when a car is like been restored like this
And this is also one of those you know sort of like barrett jackson specials where yeah
It's a chavelle. So maybe it should only be 40 grand and and yeah, it's a 427
So maybe it should be a million dollars or something. Um, but um
You know if there's a lot of comments and activity, you know people keep checking back that will draw
Um a lot of views and it may not necessarily
I don't necessarily think an auction that has the most views or of all of the whole month is
Going to be the one that sells for the most money
I mean, I think if there was a sharon on bring a trailer
I mean, I think not that many people will be interested in it
But because this is a a high end example of a real people's car
That seems to be you know, honestly and faithfully restored not hot-rodded. I think there's
I think a lot of people would uh
Would like this and then maybe also think they could get a deal or something
Maybe I don't know. I don't know if this is if it's a trending up a price
Or if this is down from 2009 when you know when these cars were super big money
Did this go for 800 grand and now it's actually softened
I mean, it might be one of the kind one of those cars that could you know
um
Yeah waymo hand jobs from women. I hardly know talk me out of a third gen aerial adam
They're trading in the 40s road legal in virginia
Possibly safer than a street car for vir. I wouldn't necessarily say that
Probably won't depreciate much more than the next 10 years reliable powertrain. All right
Well, you're actually right about a lot of these things a good condition
Adam 3 that hasn't been crashed
Is is is floored at the 40s that car that car is always going to be worth that, right?
So and the powertrain is reliable and because the car is so light. It's understressed, which is great
Um, it would be fun and vir. I don't necessarily think it's safer
than a street car
I mean the downsides are obvious, right? This is a car with essentially no body work. You are outside. Yep
Which means you really we're gonna have a hard time using it in virginia winters
I've driven these things and they're fucking hairy. I mean these are these are twitchy hairy little cars
They're very extreme
Steering is really really sharp
Um, and and they're a handful. Um, and so if you're looking for that type of experience
Um, you know, it's gnarly you drove the nomad
It did and and you actually drove the other one too. Do you drive the other one also?
I drove the one that had the turbocharged
Civic engine
And I like the na one better and I drove the nomad. Yeah, and I feel like it's they're both the
cheapest way to
somewhat
Uh, not perfectly replicate a 911 driving experience because you have a rear engine car and you can feel the weight is back there
I mean the thing will slide a little bit and it's real easy
But then if it starts stepping out further, you know, it keeps moving. I mean the new one is wider
You have to not lift like I dioshihara drifted the hell out of that car and that was impressive
um
I mean it's a very unique thing and I I think owning one for six months or a year would be a riot
I do not think it's safer on a track than a street car because
If you crash like you got Hans on sure that's all great. You got belts
Your legs are whacking into these metal bars
Like you are gonna get so bruised up because there's no knee protection. There's nothing like that
And if you took something, you know, you take something to the fucking chest
You know, you could you could have a crash and something could hit you directly in the chest. That's true. I mean, you're very you're very exposed
I mean, it's not just open
Wheel like it's open cockpit. Yeah, there's all this space, you know around you've got two seats
If you're yeah, go on. It's a it's just a hoot though
I I had a really good time driving it and I thought it's very special
If you're hardcore like I said I said it in the in the max video
Which everyone should go watch like the max is dangerous on the street too
Like if you crash that like you could die
but
I think
I don't mind driving a fucking dangerous thing around as long as the experience to me is fun enough that it's worth it
In many ways the atom does justify its dangerousness in a way that I don't think we just were talking about this the exoset
the
um
The exoset or the whatever that that factory five eight one eight thing
I don't think either of those cars driving experiences justify their
sketchiness versus what they're based on
But I do think the atom kind of does
so
Yeah, if you can afford to like
Lose a couple thousand bucks in six months and go here's an experiment. Yeah, if I hate this thing
I'll cut five grand, you know loss and move it on. Okay. Yeah
Be worth it. I think that's a good idea. I think they sell them out of I think out of vir
Yeah, so if you can go test drive it and let's leave and think about it. Don't buy it, you know under the pressure
Yeah, they're cool. Uh two porches one cup. Wow
Uh, that's funny. My corvette is down and my atsv is at 125,000 miles and it's on its second motor
Wow
Would scooping up a spare f front-wheel drive track car like a Honda fit or fiesta
Throw off my intent to get faster on a track with a rear-wheel drive car
Or should I go with a miata etc for a budget spare vehicle?
I would be parting ways with a five speed hhr ss
That's a funny car. That is a weird car. Yeah
well
a Honda fit with a k24 swap is like
$18,000 and it will be super fast. Yeah, and really fun
Having said that if your intent is to get on get faster on track with a rear-wheel drive car
You should probably buy a rear-wheel drive car. Um, I mean miatas are great. I'm a huge fan of spec e46s
And I think they're reasonably affordable
Um c5 corvettes are a great place to start must think he has a corvette, right? My corvette is down. My corvette's down. Oh, yeah
Sorry. Yeah, um, well, um, I would go miata consumables are low. You've already got
You know
Three american cars and you know the hhr ss and the corvette like not similar, but they're not
They overlap a little bit. So I think get rid of the hhr and get a miata
Um
I don't really have an answer for the next one. Yeah, okay smells like dodge spirit. That's pretty good
What makes the 997 rs 4 liter so great?
Widely regarded as the apex of the vortex of p cars
But I've never really heard a comprehensive assessment as to why especially compared to its older and younger siblings. Okay. Well, this is easy
Um, it has the hottest motor
in a modern
Platform
But that's still compact a 997 is still a small car
Um, everyone agrees that the 997 gt3 rs is a fabulous looking car. Yep, it looks great
It's the right size the right shape
Makes and and and the four liter
Is the sort of it's it's the end of the max. It's a metzger four liter. It's not
It's not like the later four liter like we got with the
The 911 r and the gt3 later. It's the metzger based four liter which makes it
special
It's rare. It's higher performance. It's it's fizzier
But it does it's not any like worse to drive or anything or like it's not like it's shitty on the street
I am literally looking at one out the window right now that white one right there. That's a four liter
um
So, uh, you know, it's the best looking gt3 rs and the best modern body style for me
Man the manual gearbox, you know six speed with a 500 horsepower water cooled four liter metzger engine like and very limited numbers
Like it has do do do everything. I mean, yeah, it's it's it's only incrementally better than the three eight liter one
It's not a total game changer
But it's fucking more it's better. It's more so more is good
Yeah, it sounds amazing
Share a challah skyway love that very very good eight days a year
When do you think we'll see the next mass market car on the road with truly unique styling like the cybertruck?
Uh aptera, maybe
If it ever hits the road, uh
Maybe an aptera. I mean out there designs
I mean look the cybertruck's not selling very well, bro
Like cybertruck concepts are always a little more
Extraverted and aggressive, but they know they have to tame it down because if they go too crazy the market
You'll have a smaller market. You'll sell fewer cars. So
They can't go too insane
um
Like when a car is like 20 years out like the was the kashkai concept
Yeah, when they go they give the designer all the acid in the world and they just say draw whatever you want from the year 2052
That's when you see really out there concepts, but when they're closer to actual production
I don't think they get too crazy because they want to sell cars. Yeah, most cars are normal
Lucid gravity bong says uh
What uh, what is patina collective? Have you seen patina collective in florida? I don't know what that is
Uh, what is it? It's
Tuner benzes. Oh cool
That's that looks nice
showroom tour
What do they have in the oh, this is like they're selling tickets to this
What is this?
Uh, the world's largest Mercedes collection featuring a bunch of conic specials gambala sgs. Oh, okay, cool
I mean, yeah, it's got a bunch of crazy like euro tuner II
Uh, shit. I guess it does. Okay. That sounds fun. So good for them. Okay. I would check that out
I mean we're we've already we talked about this on the on the last show. I'm doing the e5 hundi with with the boys over here
um
tunehound says
We talk almost endlessly
Oh, tune. I couldn't give less of an f about a body kit for a body kits for helicopters
Yeah, I don't really give a shit about that. Um, I don't I didn't know that existed
I did get it. I did get a helicopter pilot's analysis of the crash in my instagram dms
And it it he said it was a mechanical and like they did the only thing that you could do in that case pretty much
Which is just a drop to the fucking ground. Um, but he was like, yeah, I don't he's like I don't fly in helicopters anymore
That's what he said. I was like, all right, so I'm not flying. Oh
Uh
Joe says what's the slowest car where you had a code brown moment?
I think
It I wasn't driving but it was when you were driving my crown Vic
I was sleeping in the back seat. We were coming back from a shoot that was in the front
And we were coming down the hill in the 405 and I was asleep and all of a sudden I just felt the car
Juke left
And it was because all of a sudden traffic had like slammed on its brakes
And you dodged left and went into the shoulder and like so to not hit a u-haul or something like that
And it was like that's what we could do and I think that was a slow car and I was like, what's happened because I couldn't see the windshield
I know what's happening. I was once driving my delica
over a mountain
With with six of my family members including me six up in the delica 80 87 horse power four of them were pushing. Yeah, right
Um, and same kind of thing traffic comes to an abrupt stop and I have to fully lock up the brakes
Just this vehicle is not and I thought the thing was going to do a front flip
I think the rear axle might have come off the ground. It was fucking sketchy. So there you go
um
I'm look
I'm looking at nice stick man says I'm looking at 996 turbos and I was thinking about a rear wheel drive conversion
Is it worth it?
um
I love my sti, but I've never driven an all-wheel drive 911. So like this question is phrased weird. Is it worth it?
What does that mean?
like
I don't know about worth it. So let's forget those words, but like
pros
You ditch some weight
Uh, the steering gets better because again, you've ditched some weight and a front driveshaft and and there's a precedent for it
The gt2 is pretty much just that right?
um
Now you should also note that the gt2 had a bigger front air dam to create more front downforce without the weight of the all-wheel drive
Uh-huh. So like they did other things too. It wasn't they didn't just pull that out
Downsides, you know, if you want to use the all-wheel drive through in the snow
Um, that will be helpful and you won't have it
If you plan to drive it in the snow like you want snow tires for sure
If you ever want to sell the car, it will be much more difficult to sell. Yeah, I mean you have to put it back
Is the thing is it just it's so you have to give you have to fucking hang on to the parts and you have to be ready to put it back
um
So like I don't know what that is worth, but like
That's what will happen and also they say uh stickman says, uh, I love my sti
I've never driven a novel drive 911
Well, if you you know, maybe you should drive it and you might actually like it
If you can find one if you can tour one if you can I don't go to a dealership
That has one on consignment or whatever and just try it because you might like the all-wheel drive system
And that way you don't have to convert it before even experiencing the thing. Yeah
I don't know if you I mean if you love your sti, you're gonna keep it
Then there's so many other 911s
You could get that our rear wheel drive that you don't have to like, you know crack open the tool chest for
I would do that
I probably would too, but
All right
Hammo spit not swallow thoughts on Porsche changing up executive staff
Uh, Michael lighters who's just named a new CEO was a CEO of mclaren and I had dinner with him at pebble beach
That guy was cool as fuck. I am down with that based on my vibes. That's all
Johnny evie gearberman
Um
Do you remember Audi almost launched a uh the r4 on the Boxster chassis in 2014
I wonder how different from the TT it would have felt. I mean it would have felt like a fucking Porsche
I mean the TT was a fills a golf
So no no if you drive a golf or a TT in a Boxster back and forth there. They are very very different
We are not the same. I happen to think that Volkswagen version looks pretty nice. It's a good looking car. It's a good looking car
I agree. Yeah
That'll be cool
Okay
Under the oh hang on under the cuff already got one today
Allen Harrison says
How does the manks get around not needing mud flaps or something on the rear wheels?
My first thought seeing it was I wouldn't want to drive behind that. Well
There's no getaway. There's no regulations. It's 1971 dude. Yeah, like these Baja bugs all over the place don't have them
Yeah, no, it's a 1971 Volkswagen. You know, there's no regulations
Well, actually is there does that apply? It's like if you have a truck that's lifted you're supposed to have mud flaps on it
But is it just a code that's not enforced? Probably. I mean we see so many lifted trucks in SoCal
No one has mud flaps. Yeah. Is there mud? I mean also there's no mud. Yeah, and it's a good point and it doesn't like
My car my manks has like regular tires. It doesn't like kick up a bunch of rocks
It's when the cars have sticky tires that they kick the rocks up regular cars don't don't do that so much
Okay, uh
Good morning wood festival of speed says looking for a watch to join my speedy and Explorer 2
Wasn't considering the seamaster no time to die but tried it at a boutique and fell in love
Is there a watch you passed off on only to fall in love when seeing it in person?
And vice versa. Is there a watch you thought you would love which disappointed in the flesh?
Uh only the second
Instagram lies to you for sure. So there's I've never had a watch where
I was like, man, and then I tried it on. Oh, yeah, never but the other one
for sure
Where it's photographed in Instagram to look perfect, but it's really fucking tall or chunky or top heavy or whatever
You got to try that shit on. Yeah
For sure
That's it man. All right. Good fucking
Good group today. Thank you patrons really appreciate you. Uh, I'm I'm heading to the airport basically right now
I'm going to spain to drive the new 9 11 turbo s which should be very exciting and also there'll be homo
Which is really why I'm going
30 hours of travel for 36 hours on the ground. Maybe that's how we do it here turn it around
Um, thank you for listening. Thank you to our patrons for patronizing
Uh supporting us and uh, I will see you back next uh week. Um with wob from bring a trailer and uh, yeah
About this episode
A new consumer protection law in California is set to change the car-buying landscape, allowing buyers to return used cars within three days if they meet certain conditions. The hosts also discuss the controversial design of the one-off Ferrari SC40, which has drawn mixed reactions. Exciting news about the return of Spyker and Toyota's new luxury brand, Century, is also covered, along with a humorous take on military exercises affecting highway signs. The episode is filled with lively debates and insights into the automotive world.
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Ferrari made a new one-off and it's...interesting; Gov. Newsom passes a new law to protect California car buyers; Toyota creates a brand more luxurious than Lexus; what the return of Spyker cars means; and
- Patreon questions include:
- Do we like driving in the wet?
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- Would our garage change if we didn't make content?
- Talk my gf out of a Mini Countryman
- Are kit cars any good?
- Favorite bands?
- Why was that Chevelle so expensive?
- Should I get an Ariel Atom?
- What makes the 997 RS 4.0 so great?
- When will get another design as bold as the Cybertruck?
- Slowest "code brown" moment?
- Should I convert a 996 Turbo to RWD?
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Recorded October 20, 2025
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