Oil Continued, No Milkshakes for this one

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All you have to do is put them on, just go like this, and put them on.

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That's the second time it's been referenced now.

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But today, we are going to be continuing our conversation

about oil and that's right lubrication.

And if you are interested in hearing about our weekend

shenanigans and how I may or may not

have ended up on a jumbo tron, you're

going to want to hang out through the through the outro

credits and we'll be chatting then.

Oh, or the trench of concrete.

I can't wait to hear you guys retell

your shenanigans from Saturday.

So and where did we cover last week?

And what do we cover in this week?

This week, we're going to talk more about oil additives.

We're going to talk about Molly Bond.

We're going to break down synthetic versus conventional

a little further and get into the engine knock,

oiling issues, three, six penistar failures,

and oil maintenance, and oil milkshakes.

Guys, I can't begin to tell you

how much I nerd out on this subject

and how much I get really excited.

It really rivals my own personal interest in U-joint

technology.

The question is, can we finish this episode today?

Because last week, you were confident we could do it in one.

And I think there's no way.

Right now, we just table grease.

It kind of ran to it.

Grease is a whole other topic.

Oh, another topic.

And we're restricting him from talking about grease.

We're just going to talk about oils.

And yes, we are this.

I'll start bringing out the bad puns

if you start talking about grease.

And we are weird enough that it's Sunday morning.

I'm starting my day by sending them

infomercials on lubricity of oils.

Yeah, it was awesome.

And which actually spurred us to kind of conceptualize

in the future, we're going to be addressing fuel delivery.

Because realistically, the video was at its core initially

about port injection versus direct injection.

And we're going to be talking just a little bit

about direct injection today.

Because of oil.

Because of oil and specifically 4xE technology.

So if you're curious about hybrid vehicles and your JL

and maybe JT in the future.

So I made a reference that I would make bad puns

if you got into grease.

However, Nate beat me to bad jokes

and said everyone is so excited to hear about Neil's oil.

Ha.

Us too.

I did think that it's valuable to share

that I think that with any good factual representation,

much of my information spurs from two specific entities.

And one is going to be Schaefer's oil

and the other is going to be Amsoil oil.

And as far as those companies concerned,

there was a period of time I haven't checked recently.

I should have or I meant to prior or between podcasts.

But they actually had really, really good help sections

that had a lot of credible research.

They brought the scientists in.

And they had all those technical articles

on their websites at one time.

I think my favorite part of the additives

in the ludicity factor is I had dealt with Amsoil

in the previous life as just a general automotive garage.

And they come in and it's a little bit like Mary Kay

or Tupperware, where they want you to have a party.

They're going to tell you all the things.

They're reminding and dining you.

So I remember I literally came in.

It wasn't full time yet here.

And we got the Schaefer's rep to come in.

We did that with Schaefer's.

And they bring in this machine.

And we're mechanical people.

So we're like, ooh, what's this?

They get a ball bearing, a roller bearing.

And they hand it to everybody.

And they're like, OK, you look at this.

Yep, it's not damaged.

Then they put it sideways on a wheel of death.

And you're allowed to bring any oil you want to the party

or any lubricant that you may think is a lubricant.

Because they were like, yeah, go ahead and spray it

with fluid film, which we know and love.

And they're like, fluid film's not a lubricant.

Yeah, and me and Greg were ready to throw down.

We've used it for lubricant for years.

We freed up things with it.

And the guy is like, no, no, it's not.

It's not a lubricant.

And the molly that's in the Schaefer's

just lets it run sideways and run and run and run.

And does not squeal and make other horrendous noises,

nightmarish noises.

We have this relationship specifically

with that that hands on.

But like I said, there's a bunch of good tech articles

out there related to this.

And so I wanted to cite our references.

And so then, ultimately, we take some of that technical data.

And then we are nerding out on other YouTube videos.

We are nerding out on other representations

or other things that info information

that it would be at the hardware or auto parts stores.

And that's kind of I wanted people to have a basis.

But some of this is actually credibly documented.

Well, then I'm part of the technical data.

We were so excited.

We went out and put Schaefer's and everything.

Yes.

Lawnmowers, ATVs, Jeeps, like anything

that sat still long enough that took oil got Schaefer's.

Yes.

And so we'll be kind of sharing with you some of that.

And then as we mentioned in the last podcast,

we are peculiarly enough in the hotbed

of where black gold was found.

Yep.

And so if you're listening to us across the globe,

we have this kind of taken for granted experience.

But initially, where oil was struck in a commercial capacity,

we are right there.

And between the industrialists that arguably

kind of revolutionized America, our little hotbed area

was right there during oil, steel, and et cetera production.

The trifecta.

Yes.

And then as we continue through to just for a fun fact,

I'm going to have you guys try to pronounce

the actual word for Mali.

Nope.

And we're going to talk about that.

I've got the legit pronunciation of my own.

I don't believe you.

Yeah, it's going to be a fun one.

And I'm going to mention, Charles is saying,

if it's leaking, it still has oil.

And we will talk about maintenance.

And that's fair.

I can appreciate that.

It's when it stops leaking that you really

have to be concerned.

Yeah, so also, Charles had said good morning,

and so did Robert.

Absolutely.

Good morning, good morning.

Let's talk about oil additives first, though.

What are common types of additives for oil?

Obviously, Mali, because we've already sawed us.

Maybe.

Doesn't help that leak go away.

It does.

Then we're going to start talking about black pepper

and your coolant.

Old, old wives tale stuff, right?

Yeah.

Drop an egg in there.

Yeah.

Desperate times call for desperate measures.

So there's zinc.

Yep.

There's detergents.

Yep.

And what is your favorite one?

Friction modifiers.

So as a generalization, like Jeffrey Sharon,

and we'll keep it light and fluffy as far as I'm concerned,

we talked about straight weight.

So we talked a lot about friction modifiers

because that fires me up.

They're necessary evil, folks.

Don't get me wrong.

But I ended up expanding upon a whole conversation

with my sister just recently because.

Because family conversations include oil.

Yes.

And I was like, I just did a podcast on this because again,

I am choosing to change her oil from 0.20 to 5.20

for continued.

Prosperity.

Yes.

Continue expand upon reasons.

And I was kind of breaking down the if we

have a finite measurement per volume.

So if we just utilize the concept of 100 parts of volume

that arguably, if you have 100 parts and so 70 of it is,

and I'm making these numbers up, they're completely arbitrary,

70 of it is going to be the 20, 15 parts of it

are going to be the zero weight, 15 parts of it

than our friction modifier.

Whereas because I need to move that zero to the 20.

Whereas if I take the same 100 parts per volume

and I make that 5.20, now what ends up happening

is, and again the numbers can kind of give or take a little bit,

70 parts are going to be the 20.

And I get to have 20 parts of the 5 and only 10 parts

of modifier because you always have a finite parts per volume

measurement.

And so the more actual oil you have or lubricants

you have, the less modifier.

So as that 5 moves closer to that 20,

it needs less transitioning friction modifier in there.

At what point did her eyes glaze over?

Yeah, well, pretty much when I told her I nerd out on oil,

she just wanted to know that I was going to slow down

her oil consumption in her engine.

But it was an interesting point.

And one of the talking points that Jeff had brought up

is that modern day engines appear

to be consuming oil in excess to our older,

our vintage engines.

And the problem is that technology

has changed because when our vintage engines consumed oil,

it meant something.

And now when our modern engines, air quotes, consume oil,

it actually is something different.

And the problem is the ripple effect of knowledge

that humans share as the average consumer has not caught up

to recognize that these are two different situations.

As a general owner operator, I just

know that I put in five quarts, and I'm

low on my stick before my oil change.

And that was ultimately the big piece

that we have to continue to share specifically

with our customers just within the last three to five

year of vehicle production.

And of course, then our customers

who have really tired worn out engines from many moons ago.

Yes.

And so where is that coming from?

And obviously, we talked about tightness of tolerances

in the last podcast.

And additionally, we talked about the thinness

or the highly viscous nature of our newest oils

and how it can be consumed in our modern engines.

Now, because of that, and we really

didn't even exactly touch upon conventional and synthetic.

But as we talk about those additives

that Jeffrey had mentioned, detergents, and then zinc,

which we've seen less zinc at this point in our oils,

that was a big additive for the conventional oil base.

We now see the utilization of molly-based products.

Now, Schaefer's Oil, which is one that we're not

sponsored by, but we heavily represent,

is a good quality choice for people,

has molly engineered right into the particulate volume

measurement.

Kind of what they say is that the idea of molly

is that you're building up layers of molly to,

and they call it molly bond, to protect all the surfaces

in your motor.

And then if you're going to have a boo-boo,

so a dry start or something that's less than ideal,

and it takes something off, you're taking off a layer or two

of molly, and you're not taking off a layer

to a bearing material or metal.

Correct.

And molly bond is specifically a friction reducer.

Yes.

And I believe molly bond is Schaefer's proprietary.

I believe so.

Kind of their namesake, because we've had.

Because the technical name is that.

It's kind of like medication, or you've got it.

Neal tries to say that in his head.

I want to hear him say that.

I want to tell you a quick, fun story that's probably not

at all relevant, but it's still fun.

So I had put Schaefer's in my lawnmower.

You're not allowed to cheat and use the phone.

Don't worry, I'm not.

You're going to be a boo.

For reasons unrelated to the oil, the governor failed.

So I had to take the camshaft out and replace it.

And you know what's really hard to hold onto when it's

covered in molly bond?

A camshaft.

You drop that thing all the time.

So yeah, I firsthand feel it works very well.

Yeah.

This proof is in the pudding for you.

Yes.

So here's the thing.

Molybdenum disulfide.

No.

Moly moly.

There's a B in there.

Yeah, there is a B in there.

There's a peculiar B.

Disulfide, right?

I got disulfide, right?

Well, that's the easy one.

Molybdenum molybdenum.

So the technical way of pronouncing it is molybdenum.

Nope.

Molybdenum.

Why do scientists do this?

Molybdenum.

I feel like I'm singing the 12 Days of Christmas

all over again.

So the interesting piece, and I can't

get the quick number off of the Googling.

The Googling.

But Schaefer's big sell point, again, not sponsored,

is that moly at a molecular level bonds to itself 32 or 39.

Don't let the facts get in the way of a good story.

That's right.

People don't actually care.

Seven, the 40 zillion.

Somewhere in there is how many layers you'll get.

This is something you cannot see.

This is something that none of us can actually see, touch.

But you can feel it.

When you drop that camshaft, there's that.

But that on a molecular level, these layers of molybdenum,

go ahead and start to layer upon each other and themselves.

And they actually present this.

Hey, you're switching the Schaefer's.

First, the Schaefer's is going to go in and just be

the bad cop and clean everybody out.

Right, because of the detergents.

And then they're going to molly everything.

Yes.

Paint the town with molly.

Yes.

And because of that, they actually

advertise that if you have an older engine that

has ran other oils the majority of its life,

you may actually see oil consumption in the first one

or two oil changes.

Pick up.

And get worse.

And we have factually experienced that ourselves, 100%.

And they have fun million mile engine tear down videos.

They do.

That you should totally buy.

They also, as a sales company, will sell you oil check kits.

So the health kits.

I'm kind of forgetting the name of it,

but it's actually a kit where they'll analyze or analysis.

Oil analysis kits.

There we go.

Hang it up, Scott.

Get to them.

Woo.

Gracious, folks.

Gracious.

Yeah, they'll actually sell you these kits

because they're so confident in their processes.

But with that said, and I've actually

had quite a few customers who swear by Mobile One

or swear by Valveline.

I was a Valveline guy as a teenager for no particular reason.

Ashland, Ohio.

I was Ashland, Ohio.

I think there was a refinery.

My dad blamed Valveline on blowing up a motor when

he was a kid.

You know what?

God love, Fred.

So we had customers who would add molly powder

to their oil changes.

And that's the same thing that, obviously,

Shaifers is just doing.

They're claiming theirs to be engineered into the oil itself.

We did have baggies of powder here.

I remember just dumping Marvel's mystery and Lucas

into my oil constantly.

Which is a thing.

But as far as.

I'm sick, I guess.

There's a song about that.

And so here's the thing.

I'm trying to make this.

I'm trying to make this as an analogy about paint.

And so if you were to take a raw piece of steel

and you were to just kind of take a rattle can

and paint over it, and now all of a sudden

you were to try and scratch it with a screwdriver

or a hammer or something.

The possibility for you to scratch through that single

coating of paint is pretty high, right?

And now that I have scratched through that single coating

of paint, now I've exposed the raw material

to the environment.

Versus putting a clear coat over it?

Well, you could just do a coating of paint

and a clear coat.

But the argument on these higher performance oils

is that first we're going to take that raw piece of metal

and we're going to galvanize it.

We're going to galvy dip it.

After we galvy dip it, we're going to phosphate it

and add a layer of mechanical bonding material.

Then the special herbs come out.

Then we're going to actually paint it three times.

Layer it, then layer it again, then layer it a third time.

Now we've got three coats of paint on there.

And then we clear it, right?

So that concept, now if I take a screwdriver or a hammer

to that, the likelihood of me scratching through the surface

to expose the raw material is almost slim to none,

at least with under normal use or a normal scratch, right?

Because we have galvy, phosphate, three coats of paint.

And clear, you've got six layers of post-raw material.

And that is how, honest to Pete, we've

done some frames for some of our restorations.

We've done some different bumpers or whatever.

But that is basically what Molly is doing.

Correct.

And any of these as high quality oil manufacturers

are claiming that their intention

is to protect the raw materials contained within your engine.

Because of course, I have, again, things I nerd out on,

our engine contains massive, incredible explosions.

You have literally, you are sitting behind something

where it is exploding 100 times a minute or better,

I mean, more than 100 times.

And yet, you are none the wiser.

700,000.

Right, yes.

Perfect.

And you are none the wiser.

And the fact that then our expectation

is that this mini explosion factory

should last hundreds of thousands of miles.

Absolutely.

Is so freaking cool.

And yet, the average person is like, I just need to get to work.

And I can't believe I have to do an oil change.

You know what I mean?

Like, come on now.

It's so cool.

And these oil manufacturers do and try

to ensure that they protect those raw materials in the engine.

And speaking of oil manufacturers,

Fred's in the comments saying, back in the day, it was STP.

Which is also a good band.

It is.

And I did put a lot of STP in my 360 for many oil changes.

I like that Scott supported me on the band.

And you're just like, why?

We're on oil.

You're so stuck on oil right now.

I am.

You'd be the one supporting me on the band.

I know, I know, I know.

Guess we know where he lies on STP.

Yeah, he was like the Stone Temple Pilots.

That's apparent.

No, no.

I mean, I had their album.

I did.

No, you don't.

I did.

I know exactly.

I remember the shoot.

You tested oil on it to see if it would.

No, no, no, no, no.

No, no, I honestly, I actually think

I just found it when I moved not too long ago.

That's funny.

I just don't I don't know where I could produce a CD

player at this point, honestly.

I Scott's house probably has a VHS.

He's got the eight tracks.

Yeah, I got Jeepers says slick 50.

Yep, yep, yep, yep.

There's a bunch of these different oil additives.

And arguably they there is a degree of benefaction

that comes from sick 50.

You put it in and then you drain it out

and you run it until it blows up.

And it just doesn't blow up.

It just doesn't.

Well, but that's that that example is basically

the concept that Schafer's came in with their bearing machine.

Absolutely.

And and so I don't discredit any of these manufacturers.

In fact, I lump them all into they all have their little fine

tune piece that is intended to make them stand out in this

crowd because at its core, oil was good.

And we discovered that as a society who fell in love

with the automotive community, the industry, because, you

know, man, these these vehicles transported us

somewhere that the horse and buggy couldn't take us, right?

So now now as we as we progress and we make that I

loosely make this big transition from horse and buggy

to the petro based race and something we brought up recently

where we talked about how many people could not fathom

that vehicles would be able to go coast to coast because we

lacked infrastructure to refuel them.

We are once again, as an automotive industry,

facing the same same criticism all over again with EV technology.

Yep.

And as an alternative or a suggestion is this hybrid

technology that would expose us to part electricity,

part ice engine, internal combustion engine.

But as the video that you shared with Jeff and I,

which we will expand upon in a future podcast,

we have garnered further efficiency out of direct port

injection with direct injection, not direct port direct.

Yeah, you're right.

Sorry, I combine port injection and direct injection.

So I'm going to take this one because otherwise he'll go off

on a tirade.

So I'm going to still tirade about hybrid engines

and how this applies to your four by any of those.

Bill McWilliams is asking is even flow a viscous reference.

Are we supposed to do it?

Is this the dad puns that are telling me

that I'm geeking out too much?

Wait till I tell you about U-joints, folks.

Absolutely.

Do you want to hear about a special about U-joints

and needle bearings?

We could do a triple C-month series on U-joints.

Anyway, if you don't know what the difference between port

injection and direct injection is,

I'm going to try to make this brief since this is just,

you'll see the tie in a minute.

Port injection came out in the 80s on our renex jeeps

and then into the HO series, where you're spraying fuel

at the valve.

And then as the valve opens, the air

drags the fuel into the cylinder.

And basically, the idea that was over a carburetor

is a carburetor is just belching gas into the intake

and then it coats the intake runners with fuel.

So therefore, you have evaporation of fuel

and you have some casualty loss of fuel there.

So just by spraying it closer to where it's going,

we have less evaporative use of gas.

So now it's more efficient.

Yeah, greater combustion.

And the big difference in the 90s and 2000s

is we got smart enough that we could

realize that we went from what's called a batch fire

to a time fire with our injectors.

Basically, batch fire was we're just

spraying these injectors at this time.

The valve may be open.

It may be shut.

It may not take the fuel.

Obviously, that's not efficient.

So then we got to a point with the technology

where we're going, hey, that valve is about to open.

So we better spray that injector now.

More critical computer control.

So anyway, I'm the one who was going on a tie, right?

Just that far.

Well, I was thinking I could even jump in on this

because then you get into the Hemi engine

We're supposed to be talking about oil.

Stop it, Jeff.

Anyway, so we realized that we can spray the fuel directly

into the cylinder.

And now we have even more, less loss of fuel.

But we did not understand some of what that,

because if you change one thing, you change 15.

Because of that, you don't have the air dragging the fuel in.

So now it's not aerated as it once was

when it was important to just aerated just FYI, whatever.

That's fine.

You just really wanted to correct them on a word today.

No, no, no, no.

I mean, I figure I let lubitricity go several times.

So I'm actually, I'm just going to call it lubitricity

at this point because it's kind of like electricity.

Cuminosity.

100%.

So somehow you mixed ariola and aerated together.

This is what happens when you don't let it aerate.

I know I'm like, I'm like over here like rocking.

I'm like so ready to go.

My Tism is ready to jump in and just just expand so far.

I was really literally ready to just say, OK, Neil, and now you.

No.

And instead he went on this five 15 minute

tirade about the tirade.

I'm trying to be a good boy.

Here we go.

I'm back back to oil, back to oil.

So because we have, you said it was Neil's turn.

Because we have the fuel sprayed into the cylinder.

We get hot and cold spots in the cylinder.

And that causes what, Neil?

Fuel leak down.

Is that what you wanted?

Is that?

That's all you have to explain that now.

All right.

Yeah, I'm so excited.

So four by E listeners.

Or if you give a crap about hybrid technology that's

plug in hybrid and it is 2.0 people as well.

Yeah.

Oh, you're right.

I should extend this to people who

have 2.0 turbo engines.

Because as we will expand upon within fuel delivery,

this direct injection and the timing of the computer

you're saying allows us to make big horsepower out

of a much smaller package, right?

Especially with forced induction.

Correct.

But what ends up happening is because exactly the moment

you said where we have these kind of rich spots,

we have a little too much fuel, that fuel

is a solvent by comparison to a lubricant.

And what it does is it actually wipes away.

So we've all kind of reasonably heard

about washing away your cylinder walls,

at least in older technology, that if you had too much

fuel, but not so much that you hydrolocked the cylinder,

but too much fuel that you would actually wash out

your cylinder walls.

And what that is is that those layers of lubricant protection

that we talked about in the engine

have now gotten to the raw source material.

And now we have an insufficient amount of lubricant.

And the side of the cylinder is now

being scored by the piston or rings itself.

And to make it even worse, now we

don't have the sealing of the rings with the oil.

100%.

And now some of that fuel is starting to propagate down

into the crankcase.

Yes, which if you are at all interested in the 4 by E forums,

you will all hear them at some point in time

kind of lose their nugget on when their vehicle goes

into form, which Jeffrey, Google Form

and tell our listeners what the exact,

it's oil remediation maintenance cycle, something or other.

And we'll tell you what the form system is.

Oh.

I know, but just hear me out.

So what ends up happening is the fact

that you're driving your oil refresh mode.

Fuel, oil, refresh mode.

What you're literally doing is you're

trying to drive the vehicle.

And 2.0 people, if you're just ever driving,

my dad drove three blocks to work, basically his whole life.

He hardly ever put miles on vehicles

because he would basically fire it up, drive over to work,

and then drive home at night.

And only because sometimes you would get caught by a train.

And that was the whole thing.

You'd have to go a little further around.

And then that's idle miles as well.

Do you want the explanation for what it actually is

and why it's doing it?

Do you want to read it off?

Yeah.

The form appears as a maintenance function

on your cluster when the direct injection engine needs

to reach operating temperature to prevent fuel

dilution in the oil, or when the 90-day fuel

timer on the gas tank needs to be reset.

To resolve the oil dilution cause,

you need to drive the vehicle for an extended period

to get the engine hot enough to burn off

the fuel in the oil.

Enter Sunday Drives.

So this is the big thing when it comes to our oil.

We can create the best possible lubricants

in efficient engines.

But you change one thing, you change 100.

And so now we have this further issue where we are actually,

and we used to deal with this when

we thought that just the rings were worn out

on your piston.

And that was an old problem.

This is similar, but a new and completely unrelated,

but they're not the same.

For a different reason.

And so ultimately, you have to bring the vehicle up

to operating temperature that dissipates the fuel that

is currently mixed into the oil because the fancy way

of saying it burned that off.

Yes, it then makes the oil more pure.

But you also, if you're in that situation

like Neil's dad was in, you want

to do sooner oil changes instead of longer oil changes

because you are actually using up the oil quicker

because of this process.

That is exactly it.

There's a lot of misnomers and misinformation

within these two O-turbo owners.

And arguably, folks, this is going

to be a number of engines going this way.

The 3.0 hurricane, go ahead and Google that.

See if that is a direct injection.

If it's not, I'll be shocked.

Correct.

I believe it is because it's a massive,

the 3.0 hurricane, which is almost exclusively

used in the Grand Wagoneers or the Wagoneer platform

modern day, is also forced air-inducted.

Turbocharged in 9.6.

Yeah, and I love the concept.

But we changed one thing.

We changed 100.

And now we took these really quality refined oils.

And now the problem is we're actually

exposing them to higher fuel content.

We're using Solvent to lower, basically,

to offset some of this oil that we have built up over the years.

So we're actually causing a dilution of that molly

or the additives.

And now that oil has to carry that Solvent as well.

Right.

And not get broken down by it.

And so then the manufacturer is understanding this,

force you into form.

Which Joe Brilla is, tWitch.

Don't say form to a 4 by E owner.

Right.

And I mean, I'm telling you, folks,

I mean, as an individual who hangs out in those forums

and in those spaces, this is like, I mean,

this is a dirty, dirty word amongst that world

because it is a new concept.

And of course, what a number of people

have resulted to is running out to the highway

and basically hammering down into, obviously, those jeeps

are an 8 speed Jeep, hammering and holding it in third gear

so that the thing tax out at 4, 5, 6,000 RPMs

to get the Jeep out of form because they're

trying to burn off the Solvent or the gas

in the crank case.

Yep.

Were you going to add something?

Nope, you did good.

OK.

And so understand that this is not going away.

This in combination with our fuel delivery of the future,

which will be expanding upon in future podcast,

and our oil, which is so thin as it is,

this is here to stay.

This is an issue that will not be resolved

within the next five to seven years.

And right now, we have this weird scenario

where you have a Wrangler that has both a 3.6 option

and the 2.0 turbo option.

And the 3.6 is old school.

It is port injected.

You have a 2.0 turbo that is direct injected.

And you literally have someone trade in a 3.6 Jeep

and go to a 2.0 Jeep, not really realize

the profound change from one to the other

and are going to go like, well, I'm going to maintenance it

exactly like my old Jeep.

You shouldn't because they're actually

totally different drive lines.

Right.

And we do recommend.

I love the 2.0 turbo.

And I love the 4 by E, you know, kind of hybrid nature.

We have expanded upon recently how

you were recently exposed to an E-torque.

3.6 was an E-torque.

So in some of the full size trucks, they have a 3.6.

Obviously, when we get in the trucks, bruh,

we got to have Hearst-Pers.

So we're talking the Dodge Mopar platform.

So they have.

Congratulations, Savage.

They have an E-torque, which has the world's biggest

alternator I've ever seen that is liquid cooled.

And as the truck needs more bruh,

it gives it Hearst-Pers by helping the engine spin up.

But that is an awesome technology, in my opinion,

because now we have the best of both worlds.

And in that situation, you're not plugging it in.

It's taking care of business itself.

It just does magic.

And you get more benefit out of it

because you're using electric, you're using less fuel.

You have more power.

You can tow Chevy's across lines and make sport owners mad

with your V6.

Right, right, right, right.

And I can dig it.

It is a concept, or similarly enough,

related to being able to kind of marry internal combustion

engine with some form of electrification.

And again, I love that idea.

I'd actually love to see it out of a turbo diesel.

Yes.

I think there's so many of us who would love to see

turbo diesel technology married to some type of electrification

and see where that goes.

I'm going to jump back to comments just for a minute

because we had a few people jump in too.

Joe O'Brien saying good morning from OBX.

Jeff Babak saying good morning, looking good.

And then Roy Hill saying good morning, Buds.

Also, Joe Brilla did say that he's been informed once,

and it was fairly uneventful, but he's heard the horror stories.

And the thing is, if you do routine maintenance

and if you go on longer drives, then the likelihood

of your Jeep ending up in some type of maintenance

or service mode is less likely.

If you drive back and forth to Moab six times a year,

you're probably not going to experience it.

Yes, Joe, that's you.

Yeah, that's a reference to Joe.

Or on a Saturday, you come out and see the shop and visit

and buy some parts.

And then Sunday, you go to the farmers market

and you go off looking at waterfalls and the lake

and all that kind of stuff.

And now you've no longer needed form.

Right.

I mean, that is how the engineers intended

the system to work.

Now, as we kind of continue and transition our conversation

with this, would a conventional oil versus a synthetic oil

make a difference?

So in my opinion, the synthetic is a much better oil.

It's engineered better for what our today's engines are.

But synthetic causes leaks.

On an old Willis, it does.

What you got to do is OK, is that gasket look like it's cork?

Maybe synthetic isn't the best option for that.

That's right.

If it's got any kind of like the last 30 years of gasket

technology, which makes me sad, because we're

talking in the 90s, probably going to be all right.

Yep.

It's kind of like ethanol fuel.

If you're a vehicle that has been around in the last 10,

15 years, I understand.

Small engines, I do not.

I don't like ethanol fuel.

Let me just, that's my stance.

However, if you have a vehicle that's

been produced since 2007, 2008, you're fine.

Quit worrying about the ethanol particular account

and just drive it.

Now, I'm not saying run out and buy 88.

We've talked about that.

We're talking about fuel blends.

The internal components, seats, so on and so forth.

If you're a lucky person that has a 1947 motor with 1920

technology carburetors on it, then you

might want to pay the 450 gallon for wreck fuel, which

is what I did yesterday.

Tell us how that touched your pocketbook, right?

Oh, boy.

So as far as conventional oils are concerned

versus synthetics, there was a big crossover period

where people were trying to figure out

if synthetic was good enough.

If you once you did synthetic, you couldn't go back.

Oh, yeah.

Oh, that line in the sand.

Yep.

Or if you've always used conventional

and you switched to synthetic, now everything's going to leak.

Yeah, it's bad, all bad.

A little warm goes off the edge.

But if you buy a new vehicle and it started with synthetic,

you're fine.

You can use synthetic.

Yes.

Again, a lot of misnomers, a lot of situations

where humans were just trying to understand this technology

that was kind of unfolding before our eyes.

I remember asking when you went to buy a used vehicle,

what kind of oil did you run so I can run the same thing?

Absolutely.

And we still do.

And the thing is, I don't discredit

anybody who wants to continue to run

Schafer's or Amsoil or Royal Purple or Red Line

or anything along those lines if they've

kind of started along that process.

Because according to those manufacturers,

they do want you to continue to utilize their product

because they claim that after multiple oil changes,

that's when the product really is doing its best.

Again, that Schafer's conversation,

they really want you to have three oil changes in before you

see the benefits of Schafer's.

Whereas a lot of other people running, I'm sorry,

Jeffrey, running some of the standard auto parts store

stuff, and you just have a regular runabout vehicle.

As long as it's wet, Jeep's not going to care.

I'll be honest with you.

So I have to laugh at the fact that Joe Brilla did say,

funny, you should say that.

We're leaving for Auré and Moab on Friday.

And then.

Of course.

But Jeff Babak is saying he doesn't have this form problem,

but he's happy to hear about it.

However, he's also mentioning he

started using Balveline Restore and Protect this summer.

And again, those types of, I mean,

I remember when Balveline came out with their high mileage blend.

Balveline does a great job of marketing the fact

that they mix up ingredients different than other manufacturers.

And a lot of the high mileage oils

are literally a synthetic blend, which

means you have some conventional, something synthetic.

And I did that for years on my older vehicles.

And that's, I mean, ultimately, I kind of liken, again,

we'll use Balveline as a talking point

with a number of their different varied options.

It's kind of like Sweet Baby Ray's barbecue sauce

or any other barbecue manufacturer who's

got a line of different flavors.

Sweet Baby Ray's is a good example,

because this one has garlic, and this one doesn't,

and this one's hot, and this one's mild.

And this one's got honey in it.

And you get the same size bottle.

And make up the fluid ounces, I don't care.

12 fluid ounces.

We have the same volume measurement.

But we've got a couple.

We've got slightly different ingredients.

I don't know, how are we doing with only 12 fluid ounces?

I was going to say, it's between $7,000 and $400,000

again, but.

You know what?

He's got the right number.

So I know we talked about dino oil not

being the most appropriate.

Since we're going to be talking about engine issues,

Joe Brella brought up, need I mention that our problem

with my JKU started with an oil change.

I don't want to talk about it.

No, but we need to talk about three, six

penister failures in oil.

So I'll say my last piece on the air quotes dino oil

versus synthetic.

By today's standards, if you're listening to this podcast

and you have a modern engine, again,

falling within that last 15 years, it does not matter.

As far as whether it is a conventional oil or a synthetic

is better, but you're probably better off

with running a synthetic in general.

You're going to get more wear and tear out of it,

depending on the abuse that you subject to it.

Plus it's the tolerances of engines are smaller now.

So the synthetic flows better through that.

That is 100%.

I would agree with that sentiment.

So you know, don't.

And in fact, I got to be I would go further and say

that I think you're wasting your money and your resource

by trying to run a conventional in that last 15 year.

It's it is like running wreck fuel in that.

If you have a if you have a JT that you picked up

within the last two years, three years,

I don't care what it is.

And you know, it's just a regular run of the mill

gladiator 37s and 48 years and your expensive campaign

set up right in the mill.

I was going to say he started off good.

I'm like, sounds like mine.

And then he went into the 48 gears and the only thing

you don't have is the 48 gears.

I don't have the otherwise.

You have 37.

You have the Conestoga wagon and the deck box.

It's gladiator owners might as well be Subaru owners.

It's a club.

That's just whatever.

And you're just jealous.

I am.

I am so jealous.

I watched this guy on a reel today,

just trash the Jeep gladiator group.

He had like 80,000 reacts to it.

And it was like, I don't even remember what he said and whatnot.

But and I just thought, I just I wanted that Jeep for 30 years.

You know what I mean?

Like I remember the Comanche dying.

And I wanted a four door convertible.

And I still don't own one.

I just I am jealous.

But anyways, let's get back to the Subaru JT owners.

You got you got five minutes to get the mill JT owners.

You do not need to run rec fuel.

Fuel up your boat because we all know that's all you're doing

with your Jeep anyways and just put in the oil.

I own a Jeep.

I can't afford the boat.

That's right.

Manufacture recommends unless you're a direct injected oil

consuming engine and then you might want to do 520 versus 020.

Well, and that would be the thing is that it's not even

the direct injection.

And we're just seeing.

We're going to make it worse.

We're seeing those three sexes consume a little bit more

oil for one reason or another.

And again, I am jealous and I do love you JT owners.

So if you do have cancel me, if you do have the three six

Panistar, we have that's literally what you have.

Oh, that's why I'm sorry.

So here's the thing.

We literally have a customer and I love this man dearly.

He went he bought his 2012.

I think it was a 1213 14 two door red JK.

And he bought that Jeep new to my knowledge.

What's that 1313, right?

Because it's got the sensitive steering angle sensor.

Yep buys his Jeep and he largely has it.

The oil change is done solely at the dealership

because it's on some form of extended warranty process

and he wants to preserve it to the best of his ability.

Then somewhere around 16 or 17, he

comes to us for sole Schaefer's oil changes.

And he is vigilant about his routine maintenance.

Equally he lives in an urban environment.

And so honestly, he does not drive his Jeep tons

and tons and tons.

It actually will sit.

And because of the sitting, sometimes he wouldn't even

hit the incremental mileage, but he

wanted the time frame done to have the oil changed.

And so we would change the oil with Schaefer's.

We did this just vigilantly through his ownership.

Like clockwork.

And he had a top end rocker tick.

And he came to us and sure enough,

like the rest of the dreaded JK-36s,

and now we're seeing the JL, JT-36s do it as well,

he had a bearing failure at the top end of his engine.

Yep.

And I still feel vindicated.

It's just a very easy there.

I know.

I got all excited.

I'm fired up about the poor design.

You have a very small bearing.

And we've seen this failure on LS platforms as well.

And they have a bigger bearing.

And actually, the upgrade on that is a bushing hint.

Chrysler, hint.

Anyway, and on the JL, I think someone tried,

like had maybe a little tiny of an inkling of a clue.

Right.

And on one camshaft, they went to a different design.

And now we have a triple lobe scenario, which

this is just my take of it.

Now we have two side lobes that as a center one fails,

it's going to clack less so that our clacking will happen later

in life.

And now it's out of the warranty period

and they get to go, not my problem.

Yep.

Wipe their hands of it.

And instead of having a roller now,

we have a ski that is rubbing on the lobe.

And guess what?

It still wipes the lobe off.

Right.

And makes a little nice little divot in it.

So we really haven't fixed anything.

We should go back to the JK design, put a bushing in it,

and move on with life.

So I mean, the thing is that arguably in the grand scheme

of the world, obviously, we're a bit of an echo chamber

because we speak primarily to our immediate target audience,

which are Jeep owners.

But if we were to get outside of the Stalantis mothership

and we move into other auto manufacturers,

they will say that our engines are noisy.

And we oftentimes will encounter customers

who come from other platforms and they're like, man,

this engine is so noisy.

And being able to differentiate, and we've

had it happen a couple times, that certainly

among the JKs, the injector noises sound.

They're almost as loud as a tick.

They're almost as loud as that tick of a lifter.

And so lifter, rocker, there's a combination.

Usually when they forget to put the engine cover back on.

That's true.

And then that engine cover does

have some sound deadening purposes in there.

And I have to wonder whether or not

an engineer kind of knew that.

I absolutely did.

And that's actually part of that design

because otherwise, we have noisy engines

in the grand scheme of the automotive world.

And so now the thing is, again, the ripple effect

of ownership and automotive enthusiasts,

the 4.0 and the 2.5 absolutely had lifter issues.

All older technology.

So because we were stuck in the 4.0 and the 2.5 in 1963

technology, AMC never had adjustable tappets.

They just didn't.

They just kind of went with, eh, it's OK.

And because of that, as it wore, clearance

would get further and it would get noisy.

If you had a GM product back then,

you could adjust the rocker arms and lighten up that clearance.

So it didn't make noise.

And this is right with the AMC V8s and the straight sixes

all the way up until it died in 06.

So we grew up with our jeeps just clattering.

And that was, ah, it's a jeep.

That's what it's supposed to do.

And that was because it was just kind of good enough.

It was a tractor motor.

Yep, it couldn't be adjusted.

There was nothing you could do unless you

want to go in and replace all the parts and pieces.

Whereas other platforms, you could get in there and fine tune.

Yes.

You could get out your feeler gauges

and you could do your due diligence

and you could make adjustments.

And in the AMC, you know, kind of ancestry line,

we weren't able to do that.

We just had to be satisfied with noisy engines

that just flat out worked.

Now, the downfall of that is is

that you have people that will transition vehicles

about every 10 to 12 years, especially with jeeps

because they last a long time.

So the person that traded in their four liter jeep

and got into a 3.8 jeep or a 3.6 jeep early on heard noises

and they're like, meh.

Yep, it's supposed to do that.

Yep.

Well, not less.

Less.

And again, we have these tiny little roller bearings

that should be a bushing and that was causing failures.

And something else I want to kind of it's kind of related

is I've heard everybody like, the 3.6 has plastic on it.

Oh, my God, it's got plastic.

That oil cooler is plastic and it's going to fail.

It's not because it's plastic that it fails.

It's literally seals that are rubber that fail.

And when you go to an aluminum based oil cooler,

you're not doing anything for the seals.

Sure.

So guess what?

The aluminum one's going to leak too eventually.

And you have to have then faith

that that company had just as enough time and money

and effort to engineer that to last 100,000 miles

that the original actually did.

And guess what?

It failed.

So yeah.

And the other downside to that and just for clarity

is if you over torque the plastic cap

or you have that oil change place

and they're going to fail.

Don't be a gorilla.

Yeah, I mean, and that's the challenges that did happen.

Factually, add a lot of those quickie oil change

Oh yeah.

So to kind of I know we breezed over a little bit

of the JKJLJT36 top end failures.

But I guess the sentiment there is

that it's a mechanical design flaw

as part of the top end design of the engines.

And it's something that kind of realistically

we've all kind of just accepted as true.

We now replace camshafts more than we ever

possibly could have imagined.

If you go back in a time machine

and you told young Neil or Scott

that you would just be kind of dropping camshafts

in and out of engines with regularity,

I would have called you like freaking nuts.

Absolutely.

And now it's.

And to be an in and out procedure.

Correct.

Oh my god, no, you would break that engine down.

You'd send it out to get line board.

It needed to be specked up from an engine builder.

But now it's like, ah, it's just a little bit more

than oil change.

It really is, right?

Which is such a fascinating piece.

So kind of understanding that this is something we do accept

as part of the process because of these design flaw elements.

Jeep Chrysler Mothership knows it so much

that we just recently completed the task on a JL

that they have bundled.

Don't worry, they made it harder to do.

They did make it harder to do.

And because of people trying to do it kind of like onesie

toosie in kind of a cheap skateway,

Chrysler, last we knew, won't even sell it onesie toosie.

They're selling it as a complete bundled kit,

which is giving you the cam lifters and rockers all together.

All together.

You can't even go onesie toosie at this point.

So they did change the price point a little bit

to reflect this bundle that they want you to buy.

Because if you were supposed to buy a piece by piece,

you were like 2,000 bucks just for the pieces.

Yeah, it was crazy.

It was crazy.

The bundle saves you some money, but not.

Right, but we're not lighting the world on fire.

So understand that.

The last piece before we go off air,

and before Jeffrey reads a comment or two,

is the fact that the conversation of the 3,000, 5,000,

10,000-mile oil changes.

I'm going to weigh in at a professional standpoint.

And I'm going to say that as a business,

we put $5,000.

5,000 miles if we are to put a service interval sticker

on your vehicle or a recommendation.

Our professional recommendation is 5,000 miles.

Or if you're Neil's dad and you drive it 3 miles a day,

then you should probably do a 3,000-mile oil change.

Exactly.

I do not recommend the 10,000-mile oil change

at this time, unless you're like two trips to Moab in

and you just haven't had time to do an oil change

at your preferred place.

Yes, and unfortunately, what we tend to find on that

is that you are low on a cheap shot.

You are low on oil at that point.

So I don't recommend the 10,000-mile interval necessarily.

Also understand that when I say we take the professional

standpoint at 5,000 miles, I honest to Pete

believe that that oil is good to 7,000 miles.

But I also know that life is busy for a lot of people.

And if we tell you five, you're

going to come in at seven.

You're going to come in at seven.

At 7, it'll be 12.

Correct.

So I just need you to know that.

That's just how we operate.

There's nothing.

There's no hiding anything.

I believe that the oil is still doing its job at 5,893 miles,

just as good as it was before.

It's not going to blow up because a check oil light

or change oil light, change oil might, but you know.

It's OK over there.

Sorry.

It's just stroked out on us.

Did you put your tongue out?

Get it into the side.

We may have done some in-house testing on that.

I needed to be tested the other day.

Rank one off road and four by four says you guys rock.

We learned so much from you guys.

Outstanding.

Thank you.

We appreciate that.

All right.

That was a quick, fast, and furious.

Man, I could keep talking oil.

I'll be honest with you.

I know you could.

Oh my god.

We didn't even talk about oil milkshake.

We want to hear why you were on the Jumbot ride.

What is an oil milkshake really fast?

Nope, I'm not talking about it.

You'll just have to stay in there.

In the future, we'll talk about an oil milkshake.

Wow.

That was resolved because he really

wants to talk about his Jumbotron.

Nah, he does.

We, you know what, folks?

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Thank you so much for prioritizing this program

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I like to talk about GIFs and all that kind of stuff.

One of our ongoing CJ projects recently sent us

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Pretty happy with that.

So we've got dogs and kielbasa's and whatnot

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That's kielbasa.

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And as we move through, all of the Jeeps on site,

you can tune in and check that out Tuesday

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Until next time, Jeep on.

Jeep on.

So I'm going to make him wait.

No, no, I want to know how he got on the Jumbo front.

And what if it was just a generic audience panning?

As long as he was just with his wife, you know, and that.

And not with my secretary.

Oh, jeez.

Right?

Was Coldplay playing?

The Coldplay recipe.

Coldplay concert.

Drove into the stands.

So was it Kiss Cam?

No, not a Kiss Cam.

And it was absolutely just a generic pan of the audience.

Well, no, no.

I mean, here's the thing.

You know that, you know that old concept like,

hey, I'm going to go to the bathroom

so my food shows up at the restaurant.

Absolutely.

This was an inane change of my son

participated in a baseball camp this summer, which then

as an extension, they had a celebratory day

at the Cleveland Guardians versus the Chicago Laundry,

which I thought was hysterical.

They kept calling it the Chicago Laundry

because it's the Chicago White Sox.

I don't expect you to know that, Scott.

But I was I was starting to pick up on it.

Yeah. Yeah.

I thought it was hysterical.

But yeah.

So my daughter and a friend of hers,

they're cheerleaders for little, you know, little kids

and they kept cheering.

I mean, like they were cheering their heart out.

Like I actually eventually had to like weigh in and be like,

OK, I need you to stop, you know.

But and now my tolerance is high, you know.

But they were cheering so much

that my son and his friend actually moved down

about 15 seats at our section.

We were in the nosebleed.

So whatever, you know, I mean, and they moved down 15 seats.

And so they were no longer sitting with us.

So my wife and I and my daughter and her friend

were hanging out and like I said, hey, we're awesome.

And the girls were awesome and entertaining.

And it was an ending change.

And I zoned out.

I started reading the news.

There was a news push notification news article.

And next thing you know, just square smack on us

was the Jumbo Tron and I'm reading the news.

Scrolling.

So I'm scrolling, you know.

It was a great game, super fun, three to two and score.

But they absolutely made you look like the dad that doesn't care.

At first, right.

But then no, I totally like I like, you know, hands

in the air, you know, like just wild it out.

Had a great time.

My son at, you know, all every bit of his preteen,

you know, angst was so, so frustrated

that they had actually moved down.

And we got on the Jumbo Tron.

Yeah, that's funny.

But we had a beautiful day in Cleveland, Ohio

and had a great family day.

And that's pretty much where my weekends are at right now.

As much as I'd love to say I'm working on cool projects

or doing anything with the house build,

I get like 15 minutes to myself this fall.

And that's I question if I want to admit

that I'm working on cool projects

because it's a lot of physical labor.

But yeah, there's my Jumbo Tron story.

And of course, just like, you know,

those quirky experiences.

So I learned how you get Jeff the builder

to go and exceed expectations

as you set the most lowest bar possible

because you feel that you've gotten kicked in the nads

so hard that you just like, I need a win.

So I'm going to go in and be like,

if we just literally get dose things set,

yes, which ended up kicking our butts and one hole

with cement in it, I'm a happy man.

No, we're good.

That's literally what he started the day off with.

I'm like, no, we're going to see how we can go.

So when you do that, then you get 18 holes filled

with cement and your wife becomes the super,

I don't even know what machine

and she starts slinging bags of concrete in this machine.

Yep.

And Jeff had to run his butt off with a wheelbarrow.

And I, of course, had started moving

cement earlier in the day.

So I was ruined by that point.

He was using the forklifts.

Let's just be honest.

But once I got to that point, once I was ruined.

He did do some physical labor.

I'll give him credit.

But we started off with the side by side

because we didn't want to move the tractor.

So I was slinging them from the shed

into the bed of the side by side,

trying to use it as a one ton side by side.

I'm going to go back and just for anybody

who's maybe just joining us recently,

you had a massive shed garage collapse

during snowmageddon. 25 by 40.

Yep.

And we had a snowmageddon 2024.

It was November 2024.

And the snow load, despite the fact

that your shed should have been rated for it,

was insufficient.

The shed was for the snow load and it collapsed.

Because the shed was assembled poorly

by the company you had previously had.

That's also true.

That's part of the process.

And then of course, you have your personal collection.

There was some damage to that.

And then the shed is obviously damaged.

So you go ahead and eventually through

the insurance process, you get plans

that Jeffrey had helped draw up for a new building.

And they'd appropriately named and never changed

the name before you went to the store

to purchase the weight till that evening episode

to find out what that means.

Yeah.

So you get that and you buy this basically

barn in a kit from Menards.

And now Menards has given you a checklist of things

and you just appropriately paid for it.

And you've gone to retrieve it periodically.

And which they gave you 1,100 bags of 80 pound concrete.

No, they gave them 24 bags.

Amy, 24 bags.

Because there's 24 posts.

And I'd love to know if in Lake County that's appropriate.

But in Asheville, they're like, no, that is not OK.

That's how many you need per whole.

You need a 24 inch hole, five foot deep,

with the foot of cement in the bottom, which works out

to be six bags per whole.

Approximately six bags per whole.

I'm sad I know this at this point.

80 pound bags.

60 pound bags.

For some reason, Menards doesn't believe in 80 pound bags.

That's true.

OK.

We tried to do the 80 pound so that it would be less hauling

of bags.

Yes.

They're like, no.

So you get 60 pound.

All right.

So this brings everybody up to speed on why you were

manually mixing and pouring and hauling 100 bags of concrete.

They have 11% off everything.

So that gave us a rebate, because we bought the building

there, since we now need way more concrete.

Oh, God.

Because 24 bags does four holes.

And I was able to get 3,800 pounds of concrete,

which I got to tell you, you got to load down your chart

trailer properly.

Otherwise, you may pick your back of your gladiator

off the ground.

So but because Jeff is a machine,

and my wife is a machine, and I just

was like, I'm just going to follow directions

and be a grunt until my gut hurts, which obviously didn't

take long, because weak muscles down there.

Anyway, we got all that done.

And now we are set up for hopefully finishing strong.

We found out about cave-ins on holes.

So that's great.

So we actually have to dig down six holes.

Yeah, you have six holes left.

Ironically, we had exactly enough concrete

to do the 18 that were deep enough.

That's because I had set such a low bar, Jeff,

manifested that we were going to just end strong.

I used all of his concrete and said, OK, now we're done.

You can go get more concrete.

Yeah, literally.

So I have a shed again.

It's weird.

Oh, my.

There's space in the shed.

Until you buy more concrete.

You're supposed to go buy more concrete.

I'm going Thursday.

There you go.

And hopefully next weekend update,

we'll say we have that done.

We're ready for inspection.

And then we can try to.

You have that this inspected again?

Yep, a couple times.

And then we have to put the poles up and start framing.

And then I think they have to come out again

and make sure that looks copacetic.

Yeah, we'll have a christening of the building

when finally all that's done.

There is.

This is the most intense requirements for a building

that I've ever been involved with.

Because whatever weird code and uplift protection

is required in this county for a plus frame construction.

Certain nails, certain spacing.

I mean, I get codes always had the specific nails and that.

But the amount for the footing that goes into this is insane.

Yeah.

So I'm hoping, again, I'm hoping this is a little local.

By the time the building collapsed,

I'm hoping we have poles and a roof.

Year to date.

Yeah.

The goal as my goal is poles and a roof.

And I'm hoping that means that Jeff, the builder,

will have a completely done building is what I'm hoping.

I'm hoping that we get to utilize.

Holy cow.

I'm hoping we get to utilize Greg when we get to the trusses.

Wow.

His skill set will help us advance that way faster

than I can.

Wow.

Yep.

So that is what our weekend.

And then in that theme, one of the vehicles that was crushed

by that was my wife's hand-me-down project

from her dad when he passed away.

Ruined the cab roof pretty severely on it.

And I went and got a new to me cab between the two of them.

Hopefully I'll have a cab to put back on this thing.

So that was my Sunday.

Nice.

Well, that sounds pretty good.

Did you do anything Sunday, Jeff?

I did do.

We had a board meeting.

We had our board meeting for the nonprofit,

third quarter board meeting.

So we went through that.

And then I was like, we're an eerie.

I don't have Fox at home.

I can't watch Steelers.

If I go home, we're going to go somewhere.

So we went to Permanney Brothers, had a nice lunch there.

Watched the first half of the game.

And then we went and picked up.

Xander was with my aunt.

So we picked him up and took him to spirit.

Because he's the only one that hadn't

picked up his Halloween costume yet.

And so we let him pick out his Halloween costume.

And my wife and I got our costumes as well.

Because we've got a party to work on, too, and Halloween.

Halloween's a big deal at the.

Halloween is Christmas for this year.

Shinbichanga residence.

Yes.

Shinbichanga.

That's true.

And they're Halloween endeavors.

I was like, I'm thinking, Halloween, dude, I listen.

I can't even get through the week at this point.

My kids will be glad if they have a costume three days

beforehand.

We have not got to do much for Halloween parties

since we've had kids.

And with Kristen not being very social,

we don't typically go to the ones we're invited to.

This year we were invited to another one.

And I said, we're going to go.

She said, yep, let's do it.

We did a couple's costume.

I'll reveal that later.

My wife also wants to do a couple's costume,

but it would not be appropriate to reveal,

except for on the late night.

Dear.

Yeah, that's fair.

I can only imagine doing the horse.

No.

That would make too much sense.

Oh my gosh, folks.

All right.

Well, we do, in fact, have jeeps to work on.

And we love that we can share with you in so many ways.

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Until next time, jeep on.

Jeep on.

Yeah.

There's a couple of them were over a foot of bachelor.

Yeah.

I'm good.

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