Rat rods are cars that are intentionally made to look old and unfinished. They are often built from old parts and show a lot of character, making them unique and interesting.
Patina cars are old cars that look worn out and rusty, but many people find them beautiful because they show the history of the car. Instead of fixing them up to look new, some people prefer to keep them as they are.
The drivetrain is the system in a car that helps move it forward by transferring power from the engine to the wheels. It includes parts like the transmission and driveshaft.
Mako is a company that fixes and paints cars at a lower price. They are known for being cheap, but the quality of their work might not last as long as more expensive options.
'Square body' is a nickname for certain Chevrolet trucks and SUVs made between the 1970s and 1980s. They are known for their boxy shape and are popular among car fans.
The 'Panther platform' is a type of car design used by Ford for big cars like the Crown Victoria. These cars are known for being tough and were often used by police and taxis.
The Honda Civic is a small car that many people like because it's dependable and saves gas. It's been around for a long time and comes in different styles and sizes.
The Volkswagen Golf GTI is a sporty version of a small car called the Golf. It's known for being fun to drive and has a powerful engine, making it popular among people who enjoy fast cars. Many car lovers talk about it because it combines good looks with great performance.
The Ford Mustang is a famous sports car that many people love to drive. It has a powerful engine and a cool design, making it a favorite for those who enjoy fast cars.
The Chrysler PT Cruiser is a small car that looks a bit old-fashioned, almost like a classic car. It has a lot of space inside, which makes it practical for carrying things. Some people like its unique style, but others think it doesn't drive as well as other cars.
The Lucid Air is a fancy electric car that can go really far on a single charge. It's designed to be very comfortable and has a lot of cool technology inside. People talk about it because it's a new option for those looking for a luxury electric vehicle.
The Chevrolet Camaro is a well-known sports car that many people love for its speed and design. It's been around for a long time and is often compared to other muscle cars.
A Mack truck grill is the front part of a Mack truck that looks big and strong. When someone says a car looks like it has a Mack truck grill, they mean it has a similar big and bold front design that might not fit typical car styling.
On social media, and suddenly when people are in person, and they're not on social
media, a car drives by and they're like, look at that stupid piece of crap, look at this
and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, and usually the guy running this mouth the most in person
does not have a car at the event.
But on social media, I don't know why there's a difference, people, I don't know, they
don't uplift each other, but they bash the first person that wants to bash anybody else's
stuff.
Yeah, and when I made that video, although it's how I feel about those abominations,
right, and they were, again, I say again, it's really not my place to crap on these
people for putting their creative tastes onto something that I don't like.
Oh, hey kids, this is Jason with AMD, you're watching the Get Out and Drive podcast, check
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I just want to go into some of the comments of what some people said and RT underscore
Ray66 says, if it makes the owner slash creator happy, that's all that matters.
And there is truth to that.
When we're building our creations, yours is a little bit different story, John, because
you built people's creations, so to speak.
Sure, I kind of had, I kind of nudged customers in the right direction of cool.
You know, showed them a bunch of different ideas and then we figured out a way to do
it.
Yeah, it's a little different.
And like my suburban, you can see it, where is it over here?
You know, I put gray woodgrain on it.
That does not appeal to everybody.
I was not a fan of it at first.
No, but I happen to think it's pretty frigging cool.
But I'm building this truck for me and I'm not building it for John.
I'm not building it for the masses.
I'm building it for me.
If you approve, it's going to make me feel really, really good.
Sure.
And if you disapprove, shut your frigging hole.
To an extent, to an extent.
And so, and that's what we're getting at.
And my point is, is that as adults, we have that car show etiquette that when we walk
by someone's car and it turns an eyebrow, we just nod and carry on.
We don't sit there, look at each other, wonder who the owner is and just bitch
about it the whole time we're standing in front of it.
Okay.
We can do that in our mind.
Um, but car show and I guess you call it car guy or car people etiquette.
We just keep it to ourselves and I let this one slip and well, I caught some heat for it.
So where I wanted to go, when I talked to John about this episode, I really just wanted
to kind of set the record straight to the point of we need to be setting the example
for the younger generation who's coming into the car hobby that says when they have a creation
in their mind that they think is cool, we shouldn't be shitting on the design.
We should be encouraging them to pick up that hammer and that dolly or that welder
or that jigsaw or whatever it happens to be and coaching them, teaching them the trades,
the skills and maybe some tips and tricks on how to get to where they want to go regardless
if it's our taste.
I mean, shoot, 20 years ago, people were crapping on rat rods.
Now, as far as the math is go, there's some of the coolest vehicles out there.
People are doing that for one reason, all of a sudden rat rods are the coolest thing ever.
All of a sudden, within the past 15, 20 years, whatever, patina cars are the coolest thing
ever. You know why? Because it's expensive to paint a car.
No, that's why cheaper.
If you want to throw a chassis under a car, it's a field car, rewire it, put a new engine in it.
I said engine, put a new engine in it, all new drivetrain, everything.
You just took $50,000, $60,000, $60,000, $70,000 out of the equation for having a patina car.
Well, and even if you're doing it on the cheap, right, even if you're doing it on the cheap painting
a car, body work and body panels aside, just to paint a car today is five grand.
Five, six, seven, eight, depends on what you want to do.
And that I had a conversation with a guy about daily driver quality stuff.
He thought it was five to $10,000.
And I told him 25 and up for a daily driver car.
Yeah, I mean, does Mako still exist for $599?
Sure, it does, but look, you get what you pay for.
It looks good when it rolls out of Mako, but six months down the road, no guarantees.
And generally speaking, can the folks at Mako do a good job?
Sure they can, but you're going to pay for it as well.
One of the things about the Get Out and Drive podcast that we kind of strive to adhere to
and focus on is encouraging young people the next generation.
These kids may or may not have shop classes in their schools.
So the only access they have is either to go out and buy their own tools
or steal their dad's tools or go out there and beat and bang on stuff
and learn the hard way, learn some of the ways that maybe you and I would have learned
30 plus years ago on how to fix this stuff and do our own thing.
Luckily for me, I had an encouraging dad who let me use his tools
and taught me a few things to be able to be where I am today.
But some of these kids don't have that.
Maybe they're growing up in a single family.
Maybe it's a money thing.
Maybe it is an educational thing where the schools just don't provide that.
And, you know, we've talked about it before with with different groups
like the RPM Foundation.
What's the other one, John, that we talk about all the time?
Yeah, operative talent.
Both of those foundations, they provide the bare raw skills.
They help other places provide the bare raw skills to to build and restore
and and maintain vintage vehicles.
Yep. And the ability to develop automotive systems or classes in schools
that may or may not have the funding to do so, to be able to help promote
the trades, not just mechanics, not just body work, but, you know,
electrical, carpentry, plumbing, all that type of stuff is stuff that, you know,
is part of the trades.
We want to encourage people to get into that.
As John, what do you always used to say, John, about the corner office?
Oh, everybody wants the corner office.
Nobody wants to build or maintain the company.
Yep. So part of part of that is, you know, dealing with these people,
these young people, which leads us back to Facebook.
OK. I belong to a lot of different Facebook groups, a lot of square body groups,
a lot of Panther platform or Crown Vic type groups, hot rods, stuff.
And there's always people, young people, or maybe not even young people,
who go in and they ask from an educated standpoint.
A seemingly stupid question.
And when you go to the comments to write an answer,
you can do that one of a few ways.
One, you can make fun of the guy or gal for asking the stupid question.
That doesn't get anywhere.
It might puff up your ego.
It certainly does not help that person, that young person learn or,
a, reach out for help, because if that's what he's going to get every time
he reaches out for help, he's just not going to reach out anymore.
Another way is you can encourage them by saying, well,
commonly, this is what you would do or this is what you would use or something
like that, encourage that person.
And if you're like myself or maybe John, sometimes you can even offer.
Say, listen, this is a difficult situation.
If you want to PM me or DM me, I'd be more than happy to talk you through it.
And again, it's just encouraging and making those people feel like,
if I go to a public forum and ask for help, I'm going to get it.
And not get poo pooed on for asking a seemingly dumb question to you and I,
because we know the answer, but someone who may have no clue.
That's true. That's very true.
If somebody wants to ask a question, any social media,
even if you're going old school, you're going to foreign boards,
yes, some student do still exist.
I can talk to all the young kids out there.
I'm the old man yelling at the sky.
Punctuation, concise.
Don't stick all your thoughts in the same paragraph.
Don't do voice to text.
Don't jam all of your words in one sentence.
And I can't believe why my tailgate doesn't work and it's broken.
And I have a front tail light and a back headlight and blink your fluid
and my seat won't adjust.
How do I fix? Send.
I've read that before.
That's right.
Underworld.
Yes, all of that.
This is off about 90% of everyone that has the information
that's looking at what you asked on social media.
And for God's sakes, youngsters, use punctuation.
That pisses me off.
You want to talk to your friends.
You want to goof around.
You want to you want to send messages on Snapchat and all that jazz.
Super great.
Talk how you want.
If you want a real answer from a real person that has been through this before
and is older than 25 years old, be concise, use punctuation
for the love of God, use a space bar.
I see somebody's question and it's like this long
and I got to scroll twice to get past it next.
So don't listen to that guy.
I mean, and for God's sakes, don't call your engine a motor.
He will flip right absolute freaking lid.
It's not a motor.
But great, great points.
I mean, I think to some degree, we want we want to encourage kids to ask questions.
Almost certainly.
Right.
And I get what you're saying, you know, ask your question.
Be be be specific about what you're trying to fix.
You know, and yeah, if if you're not going to use punctuation,
hit hit the enter button twice, go to another line.
At least separate your thoughts, you know what I mean?
And the whole idea here is that we do want to encourage the young younger crowds.
But primarily our podcast probably isn't reaching them anyway.
We are the other side of that conversation that we want to encourage you guys
who are quick tempered or quick to, you know, raise your fist at the air, like John says,
to have a little bit of patience with these young people, because this is probably one
of the first times you'll have an opportunity or that they'll have an opportunity to
engage with somebody who knows what they're talking about.
And we don't want to turn them off.
We want to we want them to be asking these questions and building the next generation
of whatever it happens to be.
John, it might be a Honda Civic.
It might be a Volkswagen Golf R.
You're killing me.
At the end of the day, we want to encourage kids to be interested in automotive
whatever that happens to be, whatever happens to look like.
So most, most definitely give and and I'm seeing the trend shift a little going to in
person car shows and things.
I saw a lot of changes this past year for National Get Out and Drive Day, what people
were sending us, the age of people of the of the user that was sending us content.
And when I was going in person car shows, I see that the age of the owners is is is
going down.
You know, I never thought I'd see somebody in their early 20s driving a Model A.
But I see it.
And and I see that a lot of older folks that used to drive vintage cars are now the
ones driving brand new Corvettes and brand new chargers and challengers and all that
stuff because they're becoming lazy hot rodders in their old age and they don't want
to fool with their car anymore.
So they get a car that's high horsepower and easy to drive.
And that's that's an under that's an understandable situation as well.
Like to these guys who are, you know, post retirement, maybe they've got some disposable
income that I don't have the ability, but I want something nice and cool and fast.
Go go buy that Mustang, whatever, go buy that Challenger Red Eye, whatever.
And and have fun because it's the same principle.
You might not have the skills or the ability today to build, but if you've got the
money to buy it, do it, go go have fun.
Either way, you're going to be spending 100 grand.
It's either going to look like a 57 bell error, or it's going to look like a red
eye charger, a red eye Challenger, you know, or or whatever the hell you want to buy.
I can quickly because I know you're wanting to want to make this and say, you know, hey,
I'm sorry, I'd like to invent and invite everyone to kind of get along.
That's super sweet and great and everything.
I like that, but I quickly have to say to people, if you have an idea.
Kind of look around before you decide to break out the cutter and break out the welder.
Don't do idea boggle where you put everything in the same car and you throw
it out on the ground because your PT cruisers should not have a tractor grill.
Period.
You're not offending me.
You're offending everyone that has eyes that work again.
Don't listen to the old man in the room.
We look, I stand behind what I said in that video.
I am not backpedaling by no means, but my whole point to this video in
relation to that one is simply just that.
It's not my place crap on someone else's project.
They love it.
And there's a group of people somewhere way over there on the corner that love
it as well.
And again, we're not building our cars to satisfy you.
We're building them for us.
And you know what?
There are people out there who do build it for others, meaning I'm building
it for your approval, John.
Right.
And there is people who do that.
Regardless, if you're in the automotive industry, aftermarket, hobby, whatever
you want to call it, and you're doing something with your car good on you,
you don't have to appease everybody.
But like John said, you know, if you're going wacky and wild, you're probably
going to get some criticism from somebody because there are people
who don't know the car show etiquette.
But nevertheless, pop that motor in the front of it.
And I'm just throwing that in there.
I, I understand all of that.
I get it.
I don't defend it, John.
Don't try and defend it.
You're, you can't have the evolution of the custom car without people pushing
the boundaries of custom cars.
Why does the 36, why does the 36 Ford look great with the front end in the
air and the back end down, but a late model pickup looks terrible?
Yeah.
And like this goes clear back to the, to the Bears Brothers in Winfield era.
Like these guys were building cars in the fifties that people looked at and
said, Oh my God, I can't believe that he's doing that.
He's putting a Ford tail light on a Chevrolet.
Oh my God.
Like, yeah.
What a terrible day to have eyes.
Yeah.
Back then people were screaming.
And today we look back and I mean, I'm not going to say that, that
Barris and Winfield customs are my cup of tea because I like some of it, but
there is some stuff that's just a little too.
Can not, not everything works.
No, but guess what?
But guess what?
Those cars weren't built for me.
Right.
They weren't.
So to each their own, everybody have fun, pick up the tools, do what you're
going to do, but just know that you're certainly not going to please everybody.
And everybody's approval is not warranted.
Okay.
I have three words for you.
Here we go.
I have three words for you.
Okay.
You're, you ready?
I'm ready to knock this one out of the park.
And hopefully everyone sees this and they throw in their two pennies, which are
not made anymore in the United States, by the way, three words.
Can dig it.
Seema Camaro.
Does the customer like that car?
Probably so.
Does Dave Kindig probably like that car?
Probably not.
Was he paid very well to build it?
Almost certainly.
The people that built the car for the customer, did they probably like it?
Probably not.
And I have seen more hate online just violently spewed out of where that car
than I've ever seen on any car, like I can say in the last 20 years.
Any, any car that's not some sort of radical rat rod kind of thing, you know,
that Kindig Camaro was meant to be slick.
Do I like it?
Mm hmm.
I think they missed the mark by six miles, but the owner loves it and it's not my money.
Well, and part of that too, though, John, you gotta, you gotta remember Dave
Kindig is not going to build something and put his name on it that he does not
approve.
I don't believe that for a second.
I don't believe that he's going to build something knowingly ugly and have his
bitching rides or whatever it is, can dig it, design, license plate,
strap to the front of it.
Million bucks, two million bucks or not.
I, I don't know.
Maybe I don't know the guy.
Have you seen that car?
Oh yeah.
The one that's got the bumper laying on the ground that looks like it's
got a Mack truck grill on it.
Yeah.
I think just you saying, I see it has taken your, has negated your opinion there.
Well, I'm just, but I'm, my, all I'm trying to say is just because someone
throws two million bucks at you or whatever it's going to cost to build that
car doesn't mean like you've still got to put your name on that.
That thing's going to be driving around as ugly as it is.
And the only thing people are going to see besides the ugly is the
can dig it, design, license plate on the front grill.
Do you want, do you want John Meyer stuck on something like that?
If I get paid well, I'll put a bow on a pig and kiss it with lipstick.
I've already had that happen to me.
Owning a shop and trying to shove a customer in a certain way and they want
a spoiler on some kind of Camaro that shouldn't belong there or whatever.
I built some stuff and had customers make decisions and do things I didn't like.
But I learned build what they want, not what I like.
And I, and I get that, but I guess like I can't, I can't argue that
because I'm not there.
As a builder, can you buy my skill?
Yes.
As a builder, you can buy my skill.
You cannot buy taste.
Oh, I made Jason stop talking.
I glitched.
Yes.
No, I, I get what they don't, that's what they don't teach at, at tech schools.
Yeah.
Well, they don't teach taste.
I mean, I'd like to take the Jesse James attitude about building a bike.
He, he vowed he would never, he would never build a bike for somebody
who wanted a painted yellow.
Mm hmm.
You know, that's his taste.
I'm not building that bike.
No, I don't, I'm not paying the yellow.
Right.
Because it's going to have his name on it.
His, his, his design was not about yellow frigging choppers.
Right.
So he's not going to do it.
I don't know.
I, again, I can, and I can see the aspect is if somebody says, what's it going
to cost to build this?
And you say it's going to cost a million.
And they say, well, I'm going to give you a million five.
If you build it my way.
I don't know what would I do when I take the million five.
Your wallet says you should.
My mortgage payment says I should.
Everybody out in front of you with their handout.
Every, every bill collector says, yes, you should get your 30 employees,
your insurance bills, your, yeah, there's a crazy fine line, man.
Yeah, yeah, I get it.
But I know, I know, I hope that, uh, I hope that everyone listening to this
right now understands where we're coming from and understands that the
industry is different for everybody.
Everybody has their own taste.
Um, yeah, a majority of people out there in car, la, la land are Camaro Corvette
Mustang, charger, challengers, guys, um, from any, from any era.
Uh, and then there's the, uh, that's in two 10 guys.
Then there's the, uh, Toyota salic.
We call it a salica.
You guys call it a salica down there.
That's how you pronounce it as a normal human being.
I don't know wrong, but the whole idea is covered in decals.
Decal decals.
Yeah.
So, but again, that you guys get where I'm going with this, right?
Like, there are those people out there.
And I just hope that, uh, when it comes to encouraging the next generation that
we're out there doing it carefully, uh, we use that, uh, that term, you know,
with kid gloves and I think that the whole idea is, is that, you know, we are
protecting a cherished, uh, industry here.
And that is the aftermarket.
That is the, uh, car industry, the hobby.
We want to see it go on when we're gone, when we're dead and gone, we want our
car still to be out there, maybe getting a revamp somewhere by somebody with
garden shears and a paintbrush.
I don't know, but at the end of the day, if they're still out there and
they're having fun and they're happy cruising around Boulevard, we encourage you
to do so.
So again, not, not everything is my cup of tea, but if you're out in the garage
and you build something to get out and drive, man, I'm with you.
Yeah.
And as, uh, as Puddin's fab shop says, let's see, say sitting on your ass, ain't
going to finish your project or something like that.
That's true.
That's true.
So I love seeing the pictures of people's cars that are up on jack stands and
they have four, four feet on the jack stand and one of the feet has rusted away.
Must be a Harbor freight jack stand.
Must be a Harbor freight jack stand.
Stupid.
Well, guys, if you agree with us or you don't, that's okay, because that's
what it's all about.
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About this episode
A lively discussion unfolds as hosts John and Jason tackle the topic of online car culture and the backlash Jason received for critiquing certain automotive modifications. They explore the fine line between personal taste and creativity in car builds, emphasizing the importance of encouraging new enthusiasts rather than tearing them down. The conversation highlights social media dynamics, car show etiquette, and the need for mentorship in the automotive community, all while sharing humorous anecdotes and personal experiences from their own journeys in the car world.
Everyone has posted photos of what you Get Out N Drive in, your project car or truck, and vehicle modifications. Everyone has probably encountered some online road rage from some keyboard car show judges spouting what you've done wrong, how they could do it better, and generally hating. If you've gone online to ask a question about a car repair or modification, the keyboard YouTube certified mechanics and autobody techs descend to degrade you for genuinely looking for help. Jason recently got into a tangle over some comments he made in a fit of online road rage. Was he right or was he right? Ride along as Jason OldeCarrGuy Carr and John CustomCarNerd Meyer dive into the world of online road rage towards other driver's car builds and their choices with modifications.
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