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I'm Richard Porter. I'm Johnny Smith. And this is on the other side of things that Smith and Sniff spin off in which we answer your questions.

Here we are then answering questions once more and I would like to kick off with one which has an interesting twist to it.

Oh, this is from a listener. One of our many listeners in the Netherlands. We do care a lot of messages from the Netherlands which is great.

It's one of my favourite countries, Rich. Well, I know. This one is from a listener called Bart Hackser.

I'm reasonably confident I haven't mangled the pronunciation of that but who knows.

The reason this has a twist is because Bart added a PS to his message that said, I will send the same question to your colleagues at the intercooler podcast so the battle to answer the question first is on.

Okay, right. No pressure. I like those odds because yes, Dan and Andrew are doing a midweek Q&A show for their subscribers.

I guess it could prop up on that but I haven't heard it on there yet.

The question is, but there's an episode nine of Chris Harrison Friends which I think is a car podcast.

They discussed examples of mechanical empathy.

They thought that holding the car still on a hill using a slipping clutch was an example of such, same as engaging the handbrake with the button pushed in so it doesn't make the ratcheting sound.

I don't agree with either. I think holding the car still while slipping the clutch is a bad habit. It's adding a necessary wear and tear to the whole clutch mechanism possibly even overheating it.

Same with the ratcheting thing. It's made for that so it shouldn't harm anything engaging the handbrake without pushing the release button.

What is your view on this and what is the best example of mechanical empathy with a car?

Well, I'm quite shocked that someone might think that holding a car on a hill by slipping the clutch is an example of mechanical sympathy.

It's quite the opposite. That's what the drivers do and you get taught out of it.

I listen to Chris Harrison Friends. I'm being flippant about to be a car podcast.

I do exactly what it is, of course. I do listen. We love you Chris.

It's hard to keep up with everything, isn't it? But maybe I missed episode nine.

I don't ever remember hearing that, but I agree. I would be shocked if Chris Harris thought that was good practice or for that matter.

Neil Clifford is a man with many cars and including, you know, he loves a small manual gearbox, slaughter as much as some high-end supercar.

He would think he is going to be absolutely against that because as Bart says, it is bad and it doesn't necessarily wear your clutch.

You will. You'll wear the clutch in some clutches. I mean, if you were talking about an Italian car of a certain vintage, basically you're going to...

If you do that more than five times in a week, the clutch is done and the whole mechanism could cost you five or six grand.

Have I mentioned on the podcast before, a friend of my parents, who...

She could have been a silica lady, actually. She was sort of quite glam.

What she actually had was a Honda CRX.

Well, that's prime of a silica lady territory.

That's silica lady.

It was like downsized.

Downsized silica lady.

And the wedgey one, the really cool sort of lady.

The 12-12.

So it was the second gen CRX, the one with sort of slightly...

My favorite looking CRX, frankly, with the slightly softer edges and that whole generation of Civic I thought was a terrific bit of design.

Really sort of cohesive and yet you've got the shuttle at one end and the CRX the other and they all just looked really nice.

But she had one of those and she once told my mum that she always held her car on a hill.

By holding the clutch midpoint.

But also admitted that she used to go through a clutch, sort of like every 10,000 miles or something.

And so it is demonstrably bad for your clutch and you shouldn't do it.

I was inclined to go back and listen to that episode of Chris Harris' podcast just to see if that's what they actually say.

Yeah, and that's what we're hearing this wrong.

And then instead of keeping it on the bike point, they're just having their foot to the floor on the clutch ready.

Why wouldn't you just put it in neutral and have you fought on the foot break or the hand break up?

Because you're an accomplished driver, you can take...

This thing you don't need to do it.

You can put it into first and you don't need to do it.

No, you can do a hill start.

Exactly.

I just don't understand.

So that's a terrible idea.

Ratcheting the thing up, it's more really about I'm agreement with Bart.

They're making the ratchet noise doesn't mean that it's damaging anything.

I suppose it's just...

No.

If you want to be smooth and silent and show for like, then you could do it, which is what my dad always used to kind of say to me.

And I do kind of do that.

I think Bart is absolutely right here as well.

The ratchet is pretty tough and it probably will be fine.

But it's just...

It's not much effort to put the button in.

No.

And then, yes, the smoothness.

So my best example of mechanical empathy to a car.

For me, it's just a really, really simple one.

It is.

Start the car up and let it breathe for a minute.

And then go...

And while it's warming up and doing its thing for the first minute, because the first...

We all know this.

First 20, 30 seconds is when you'll get maximum engine wear.

So just start it, let it idle and catch its breath while you're putting your seat belts on

and checking your radio and your Bluetooth connection and putting your CD in, if you're still in the 90s.

And all those things is just let the car catch its breath, especially in colder weather.

And then go for it.

That's...

It's so simple and I know it sounds a bit partridge.

But at the end of the day, that is when people get in and they just immediately go

and that will wear the engine more.

Not so much now with modern zero weight oils, but certainly older cars, 100%.

So that's what I do.

No, that's good.

On that side of things.

Absolutely. Well, I hope that answers your question, Bart.

And if they haven't already, I look forward to down in Andrew having a crack at this one as well.

Yeah, my dad used to put his automatic car into neutral when waiting at lights

because he was worried about the wear of the auto box.

Yes.

I used to do that with cars, with my own cars, particularly my Rover 75,

because I felt like I was taxing the brakes and the transmission

by just holding it on the foot brake in D at a long light.

And then I started worrying that excessive use of the gear selector

was going to wear that out.

Seriously.

So I used to sort of alternate.

You honestly.

Yeah, that is quite partridge as well, I know.

Okay, well, that's...

I hope we've answered that a little bit, Bart.

But yeah, I might go back and listen to that episode of Monkey's Podcast

because I can't believe that he would say something like that.

No.

I can't either.

Thanks, Bart.

And thanks to all our Netherlands-y listeners.

I've got a question here, which I think is pretty, pretty cool,

by Thomas Falkerner.

Hi, you pair of old idler arms.

The SUV is generally regarded as by enthusiasts as uncool and rightly so.

However, in our world of Radwoods and festivals of the Unicception Aussies,

is there a case to be made?

For the first and second gen Toyota RAV4 3-door models.

Easy to park and garage.

They both strike me as fun and unpretentious addition to a fleet

with the ability to be enjoyed across asphalt and also gravel.

They seem to have a rather... they seem to be rather unique

because in 2025, there's nothing on sale, similar in concept,

other than the 3-door chimney, which is arguably better off-road

but nowhere near as good to drive on the road.

And of course, the current chimney is commercial vehicle in the UK only.

So, is the Toyota RAV4 3-door cool question mark?

Should it be celebrated as a left-field modern classic

or am I simply smoking my own gearbox oil?

Cheers, mate. Thanks, mate.

Bye.

Tom.

Well, a friend of mine who is painstakingly resurrecting my Honda element.

Oh, that's so...

I'm tearing on.

Yeah, because of parts you just simply can't find in the UK.

It's turning into your RAID Rover cycle, but without...

I don't know.

He's got two 3-door RAV4s, which he picked up for next to nothing.

I think most of them were kind of OAP spec and he just fancied them.

Yeah.

And they've got really delightfully colourful interiors.

It's that era of Japanese when a cloth colourful fabric interiors were invoked.

Yes.

A lot of purples for some reason, I always think.

Yeah, purples.

Greens.

Greens, your loads of...

I think one of them is actually kind of Jade Green.

And I looked at it and kind of chuckled it first.

And he said, no, but the thing is they look so dated now,

but in a desirable way.

And I kind of went, yeah, because this was the soft road at era

when having an SUV or whatever you might call it.

It didn't mean it had to be big.

It was high up, good visibility, rugged, but not wide, not long.

And I think most of them are side-opening back doors, aren't they?

Like a chimney.

They are, yes.

With a spare wheel, hard mounted spare wheel.

I mean, to answer Tom's question, I'm just going to go all out and say,

yeah, I think they are cool.

I think they're really cool, probably, if you are younger than us

because they are very 90s.

Yeah.

And including those sort of slightly lurid fabrics.

And sometimes the graphics you could get on the outside of them and stuff.

Oh, yeah.

I mean, it is definite.

It's faster with the unexceptional bait, isn't it?

A Mark I RAV4 III door in a very 90s color, like a green or something.

Yeah.

Would be, you know, would attract a crowd there.

But also, it's a good gateway drug, modern classic, isn't it?

That doesn't break down much.

I think from memory, they were also surprisingly nice to drive

because they were sort of, I mean, it's a relative thing,

but they were all the first SUVs that was a bit more car-like.

And actually, was sort of surprisingly pleasant.

Yeah.

But compared to the sort of galumphing old BMaxle off-road as we were used to.

Exactly.

They were.

They're really predate.

Do they predate the crossover?

Because they were.

Yeah, they were.

They were high up, but they're hatchback car-sized.

So the Jeep Cherokee, the XJ, Cherokee sort of is probably the Godfather of everything

because, you know, it was Monacoch.

It was very small by American.

For tiny by American standards, yeah.

But the original RAV4 of the mid-90s definitely was that was a real sort of push

and particularly outside of the US to this, to what we now have.

So, I mean, to say some ways, if you don't like SUVs in the fact that every other

bloody car seems to sit tall these days, then the fact you should sneer

and scoff at the RAV4, but it definitely started something.

And, yeah, I think they are quite cool.

If they're a three-door.

In fact, do you remember the soft top three-door as well?

Because the soft bit at the back just sort of didn't quite look big enough somehow.

It was all a bit squashed on the free-lander when that came along.

Yeah.

Everything felt much more in proportion, but the soft back RAV4 looked a bit like

you'd made it yourself.

Yeah.

It didn't look as pro.

I know.

So they don't have something up with it.

But otherwise, do they have a target roof on those as well?

I always get the mixed-up of the Suzuki X90, which definitely wasn't as cool as a RAV4.

No.

I don't know.

I'd have to...

I thought you could have some kind of, like, lift out RAV4 or something.

But they were...

Yeah.

I'm going to just say, yes, cool.

Yes.

Let's say it right now.

Let's say it top.

And also, weird that you should mention at Tom, because I'm a bit late to this party,

but I'm watching an old Netflix documentary series called Making a Murderer

about a chap called Stephen Avery who was wrongly convicted of various offenses in Wisconsin

and was imprisoned incorrectly for years.

Then came out and then it's being sort of framed again.

But anyway, for a murder, he claims to have not committed and almost certainly didn't.

But the person that got murdered was a lady that worked for auto-trader

that used to go around and photograph people's cars when they used to do that.

Yeah.

And she drove a RAV4 and the RAV...

The discovering the RAV4 that had been planted in a stack of cars in a scrapyard owned by the guy

is what led offices to claim that he did it.

And...

Oh, my gosh.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

It was one of these generations of RAV4, but not a three-door.

I think it was a five-door, but it was a gem one.

I'm sure of it.

So they're in court.

They mentioned RAV4 a lot in that documentary.

So it's worth watching.

It's long, but it's good.

And it's also terrifying how people can be put away in prison for life for things

that almost certainly they didn't do.

Anyway, that's all the story.

That's taken a turn.

But yes, we've answered the question, haven't we?

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I was going to do a quick question from Mike Jones,

who says he's in Swansea.

He says, morning, you pair of absolute strumpets.

Anyway, I recently saw a sort of restomod freight rover

or possibly a Sherpa.

Oh, nice.

What could have been a Land Rover chassis?

Unfortunately, I was unable to get a picture.

My question is, how would you restomod a freight rover or Sherpa?

Only one rule.

You cannot use a Rover V8 engine.

The rest is up to you.

Now, right.

I wanted to answer this question

because as soon as I saw it,

I knew exactly what I wanted to do.

Oh, really?

Yes.

Because it is freight rover's answer to the Ford Supervan.

Oh, yes.

No.

That Mike says you can't use a Rover V8 engine.

But that's all right, Mike.

I don't need to because I am using the Metro 6R4 engine instead.

Oh, you naughty swine.

You're rebonding a 6R4.

Essentially, yes.

They may have to be a wheel-based stretch.

We're going to use things in here at the time.

But yeah.

Sure.

Shorten the Sherpa.

Short is a really short track.

A sport Sherpa.

Well, this is a thing.

I'm thinking that it has to be, you know,

the sort of the bigger, like the Sherpa 400.

Oh, yeah.

I suppose it could be like the original little Sherpa.

I think the really skinny 200.

With the happy face and the big grill.

It could be the original little Sherpa.

I do.

It's mid 80s.

It's 85.

86.

I'll build it now, but to look at it, if that's what it was done.

So it's got the blue and green sort of Austin Rover livery.

But maybe it's got some computer vision livery as well to, you know,

to sort of reflect it's 6R4 heritage.

Someone needs to render this.

The Sherpa, the short, the short, we'll be sport Sherpa.

And it's incredibly, I mean, I've got a voice there.

Where do I look at some now?

Rally Sport Sherpa.

Rally Sport.

RSP.

Yeah.

It would be great.

Yeah.

Well, that's it.

I mean, it's a short one that because I just, I know immediately what I want to do.

And I can duck around Mike's Rover V8 stipulation very easily.

So that's what I'm doing.

Thank you, please.

I always think whenever someone mentions Sherpa, I always think of a Sherpa fleece,

which I obviously wear quite a lot with regards to bun finding.

Yeah.

And the Sherpa fleece.

Is that mean I have to be a Sherpa helmsman in order to wear a winter weight garment.

But do you love a Sherpa fleece?

So right.

Well, I'll go on to another question on that side of things.

This one's from a chap called Richard Portman.

Hi, you sweet, sweet, glistening flesh flutes.

Oh, dear, glistening.

Wow.

So I'm doing some heavy classified's work comparing models of car I'm interested in.

I wondered when choosing a particular model.

If you spot a very high mileage but relatively new slash facelifted one

with updated bells and whistles, for the same price you find a much older model

without those additional style updates and toys.

But with extremely low mileage, both good condition cars.

Which one are you pulling the trigger on and why?

Thanks, mate.

Cheers, mate.

Bye, Richard.

With a kiss at the end.

Thanks, Richard, for that.

I appreciate it.

Wow.

Interesting classified work here.

It's so hard to work.

So there's not a wrong answer here because I've done both.

It is the real world answer.

But so would you go for the heavily optioned high mileage newer car with facelift?

Or older, less bells and whistles but very, very worshiped low mileage?

I'm not scared of high mileage cars as you well know.

But I think with my sort of prepper slash apocalypse survivor head on,

I would go for the older model with less things to go wrong that's possibly deceased spec.

Which means it'll just in my head at least last a bit longer.

And I think that's why, because I'm not an option snob.

I do quite like simple cars.

So they tend to be more enjoyable.

Have you ever got into that situation though where you know that a certain thing was available on a certain car.

And you find one for sale.

It is perfect in almost every way, but it doesn't have that option.

And you sort of find something.

If it had that it would be absolutely perfect.

It's stupid things that I just quite like like heated seats and then it's essential.

If you know they were available on a car and then you find one, it hasn't got them where most of them seem to.

And you're a bit like, well that's when what happens is you normally find a car in great condition for the right money

but it's not got all the original prerequisites that you got in your head.

But you go, but I found it and it takes lots of the other boxes.

So what the hell, you'll buy it.

You can guarantee within four weeks of you buying it.

Another one comes up for sale and it's probably got the option.

And I know several people have done this and they've gone and bought both of them.

They've driven them.

Really?

Yeah, my brothers done it.

Oh gosh.

And then he's driven both of them in tandem for a couple of weeks and then had to make the decision to stick or twist.

Which one stays, which one goes.

He quite likes doing it because he goes, well I'm in control now.

I own them both so it's my decision.

It's weird.

I won't lie, it's weird.

But I kind of get it.

I always think there is that very well-worn adage about condition not mileage, isn't there?

Yes.

It is sort of true but with caveats.

Because you're right.

Like a higher mileage suggests that fundamental parts of the car have experienced more wear

and therefore may need replacing sooner.

Yeah.

You know, just if it's depending on the car on the engine or that.

And it doesn't stuff like that.

It does.

You just don't know, do you?

No, you don't because cars can do a low mileage because they've lived in a city.

Yeah.

A lot done a lot of short to journeys and they've either got so hot under the collar from sitting in a standstill traffic

or they've never warmed up properly.

Yeah.

And so that has implications.

So, yeah.

I mean, my brother always said to me, high mileage, worship time mileage is nothing better.

Because it's used to being worked hard.

It's been looked hard.

Yeah.

And my Tesla's Tesla's as an interesting example because they're constantly on the go.

Yeah.

Mega mileage but they do get serviced regularly.

It's true.

So you might take a punt and it could be a faithful soldier because actually, you know, it's been well used

and well looked after.

I mean, I went to Wilson on your shoulder as your Parisian.

Yes.

I don't know how white ex-police knows Henry.

It was one of his mantras.

And also, because I have actually had this a little bit when I was browsing BMW i3s the other week

because you get caught on the spec ladder or on the evolution ladder of a model.

Yeah.

Because you start looking.

Well, I'll just go and find a reasonably priced one.

Get an early one, early looks after one, that's fine.

Oh, yeah.

Have one of those for that.

Oh, but then they updated it, didn't it?

And then you could have.

At a faster charger or bigger battery.

Yeah.

And then the bigger battery and then you go, well, then I really want a late one, don't I?

But then they're more money.

So I've got to look for a legier one to bring the price back down.

It's just that kind of equation you can get across it.

With EVs.

I just don't know.

Just buy a really high mileage one that's been looked after.

That someone's bought as their own business type car.

But they're not idiots and they haven't trashed it.

Particularly with modern cars.

The mileage is not necessarily something to be afraid of.

But it is on a case by case basis isn't it?

Because it's got to get a sense of how it was used.

Not just how much it was used.

And things like, you know, really knackered and trashed interior.

Would be a red flag for me.

Yes.

Suggest someone who doesn't care about the car very much.

So if they don't give a shit about spilling some bright beener

on the passenger seat and the cigarette burn on the door card,

then they probably didn't give a shit about how they used the brakes

and things either did they.

No, no.

I think you get really good vibe about a car.

If you do your homework, you can decide quite early on

whether this thing's had a tough life.

And that doesn't just mean high mileage.

It just means the miles have been tough.

And yeah, totally, totally, totally that.

I've got an author sort here.

It says, dear Miss Year Smith and Porter,

a recently drove past the offices of Mansoul McTaggot.

Genuinely, it's an estate agent.

There's a photo of an estate agent called Mansoul McTaggot.

It sounds totally repetitious.

It brought to mind a much moustache old 1992 F1 champion

solving crimes with a dour Scottish detective

in a red Testerossa.

So my question to you, sweet, sweet guys, is this?

What motoring related pairings would you want investigating

if you were the victim of crime?

And what car would they drive and why?

CMTMB, David.

Oh, PS.

As a former special constable, our Nigel

would probably be very good at solving actual crimes.

That's true, yes.

Yeah, I forgot about that.

So do we have to pick a motoring person

and a TV detective to pair together

or could we just do like two motoring people?

I think we can do whatever we like, Rich.

Okay.

Your friend's good enough to piece either of those together

on that side of things.

I'm still thinking that Mansoul McTaggot personally.

Yes.

The TV show was just a tag-it, though, wasn't it?

It was a tag-it.

Yeah.

And Tagger, how's it?

In my head, the theme tune to Tagger

and the theme tune to Top Gear

have something in common in that the more you listen to them,

it sounds like the guitar starts higher and higher

and higher each time.

It almost becomes a sort of helium-based parody of itself.

And you go, where's it going to go from here?

Yeah, you run out of room here, now.

I just remembered that I used to work with someone

who always referred to Ian Calum as Ian McCallum.

And I always used to go, it's not McCallum,

it's just Calum, you're just putting the muck there

because you know he's Scottish.

But in terms of pairing people together,

I don't know, I might go for two motoring ones.

There's one that sort of already exists

as in they have a working relationship

but it could be pivoted into solving crimes.

Oh.

Which is Friend O the Show, Darry O. Frankitty

and Gordon Murray.

Oh.

As a TV detective duo, Darry O.

He's the wheel man.

Yes.

He's a good looking boy and he can drive.

So he is like, he's sort of,

you're man to get you in, sort something out

or get you out of trouble.

Yeah.

And he could always charm a pretty lady

if he needed to in the course of solving the case.

Even outside a courtroom where he's just screwed up.

Exactly.

But it's crossed just a little bit.

A cheeky wink across a courtroom

and the female barrister is distracted enough

to forget what she was saying.

But then you've got Murray,

the brains of the operation, the thinker.

He's got one of those walls

with lots of things drawn and written on it

and he's figuring it out.

Lots and also.

And also.

Because he's the buff in back at base.

They've got some kind of really cool car

that they zoom about into solve crimes.

Darry O drives it beautifully

but Gordon's always coming up with some upgrades

to make it even more effective

in the field of investigations.

Oh, this is good.

Yes.

Frankytty and Murray.

It's not.

It doesn't trip off the sunglasses.

My only worry.

Yeah.

OK.

I'm trying to see.

Gordon and the wheelman.

Gordon and the wheelman's pretty good, actually.

That's that's just.

Gordon and wheelman.

Yeah.

Gordon and Darry O.

Maybe.

I don't know.

We'll work this out.

I like that.

When I'm trying to think of modern day

former one type drivers

if they could,

if one of their names could get stuck

into there as well.

The Stappen and Villeneuve

sounds like a very kind of

sensible solicitor firm.

Doesn't it?

The Stappen Villeneuve.

I don't know.

Nothing can beat Mansoul-McTaggot

to be honest,

unless listeners are listening

and go,

I can do better than you two flutes.

But also,

I feel like

any Mansoul-and-Taggot crime fighting duo,

they're both quite legubrious.

So it would be

that even by the standards of

cop shows,

it would be the most

sort of downbeat grey

cop show you've ever seen.

Hugely.

If it took place in a rainy town,

I mean, no one would want to do it.

Because it wouldn't be sexy in any way.

Unless you wanted to start a position

of Mansoul-McTaggot

but they're doing it in Barbados.

But they both still wear

that awe is wearing

needlessly heavy jackets

for some reason.

Yeah, it constantly taking off.

Because it's so bloody muggy.

But there's two people

who just don't wear t-shirts ever.

Oh, no.

No, you're right.

I think that Mansoul-and-Taggot is still.

It's quite a thing.

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