Think of it like a big company name and a specific product line. Land Rover is the overall brand, and Range Rover is one of the types of cars they make.
Jeep started as a particular kind of off-road vehicle, and the name eventually became a whole brand. The “Jeep” identity grew from that original off-road reputation.
The Willys MB was a small, rugged 4-wheel-drive vehicle made for military use during World War II. People often call it a “jeep” because it helped define that kind of vehicle.
The Jeep Wrangler is a 4-wheel-drive SUV built for off-road driving. It’s famous for its rugged design and, on many versions, the ability to remove the roof and doors.
Sometimes big automakers reorganize into separate divisions. When that happens, a model name can grow into its own brand, because it’s managed and marketed separately.
The Land Rover Discovery is an SUV model made by Land Rover. The hosts are talking about how the naming got confusing when “Discovery” became a model under the Land Rover name.
The Defender is a Land Rover model that replaced the earlier naming confusion discussed in the segment. The hosts say they “renamed it the Defender,” referring to how Land Rover clarified its product lineup by using distinct model names.
Range Rover is a type of Land Rover SUV. The hosts are explaining that it’s technically part of the same company, but it’s marketed in a way that can feel separate.
A “house of brands” is when one big company owns several brands and tries to make each one feel unique. Here, they’re saying Land Rover is trying to market Range Rover as its own separate brand.
The hosts mean that car brands don’t stay in one lane anymore. As companies add features and change their marketing, it becomes harder to tell which brand is “supposed” to be rugged or luxurious.
Skoda is a car brand that’s been making cars that feel more premium than they used to. The point here is that brands are starting to overlap in what they offer.
Brand
VW
VW (Volkswagen) is a major car brand. The hosts are saying that as brands within the same group get more premium, the differences between them become less clear.
A Volkswagen Golf is a small, everyday car (a hatchback). The “1.4” usually means it has a smaller engine, which typically helps with fuel economy and normal commuting.
A “two car garage” is when you keep two cars so each one is better suited to a different job. Here, the idea is to have one car for normal driving and another for more fun roads and rougher trips.
“B road blasting” means spirited driving on smaller country roads with lots of curves. It’s about handling and driver confidence, not just acceleration.
Off-roading means driving on rough or uneven ground, not just normal paved roads. If you want to do it sometimes, you usually need a car that can handle lower traction and bumps.
This is basically the daily commute pattern where you drive to a train station in the countryside. It usually means you want something comfortable and practical for regular driving.
MPG tells you how far you can drive on a gallon of fuel. Higher MPG usually means you spend less on gas, but the hosts are saying it might not be the main deciding factor here.
The Audi Allroad is a station wagon that’s made to sit a little higher than a normal wagon. Some versions use air suspension, which can adjust the height, and that system can sometimes have problems.
Air suspension uses air springs instead of steel coils, allowing the car to automatically raise/lower ride height and maintain comfort. It can also be more complex than traditional setups, so it may “shut” or fail to level if there’s a leak or sensor issue.
A “B-road car” is meant for smaller country roads with lots of bends. The best cars for that kind of driving are usually nimble and easy to place in tight corners.
The Suzuki Swift 5-door is a small hatchback with extra rear doors for easier access. It’s meant for everyday driving and is typically chosen for being compact and easy to drive.
Term
super un-ledded
They’re talking about fuel type—specifically higher-octane “super” unleaded. The newer car doesn’t need that special fuel as much, which can make it easier and cheaper to own.
The Suzuki Swift Sport is a small sporty hatchback. They’re saying the newer generation feels better than the older one—like Suzuki improved the car based on feedback.
The Daihatsu Terios is a small SUV that’s built to handle rough roads better than a regular car. It’s the kind of vehicle people pick when they want some off-road ability but still want something compact and easy to live with.
The Renault Kangoo Trekker is a rugged-looking version of the Kangoo van. It’s meant for people who want to go on dirt or rougher roads occasionally, especially if you fit better tires.
They’re basically saying the right tires matter. If you put tires that grip better on dirt or gravel, the vehicle will feel much more capable off the pavement.
The Audi S8 is the faster, sportier version of Audi’s big luxury sedan. It’s built to feel powerful while still being comfortable like a normal luxury car.
A “flat four” is an engine with four cylinders arranged in a left-right layout. It’s commonly called a boxer engine, and it’s known for feeling smooth and balanced.
They’re talking about people who keep personalized license plates that were meant for one specific car and then put them on a different car. Enthusiasts may find it odd because the plate suggests a car identity that isn’t really there.
The VW Tiguan is a regular compact SUV. The joke here is that someone put rally-style badge/plate references on it, even though it’s not really that kind of performance car.
A personal reg is a custom license plate you choose to say something about you or your car. The hosts are criticizing people who keep using a plate that doesn’t really match what they drive anymore.
They’re talking about the kind of car setup rally fans love: all-wheel drive plus a turbo engine. It’s basically a “bring back the fun performance era” comment.
They’re describing a behavior they think is annoying: getting a custom plate that says what car you had, then keeping it even after you no longer drive that car. They see it as pretending or branding rather than real ownership.
The BMW X5 is a luxury SUV. The point they’re making is that people sometimes keep a personalized plate tied to a specific model and move it to a different car later.
The BMW M3 is a sporty, performance version of a BMW. The joke here is about someone putting an “M3” plate on a much more normal BMW, like they’re trying to keep the cool image even though they don’t drive an M3 anymore.
An “M3 plate” here refers to keeping or displaying an M3 identity (often via a badge/plate) even after switching to a different, less performance-oriented BMW. It’s a form of car “identity signaling,” where the visual cue implies ownership or taste that no longer matches the current vehicle.
BMW 520d is a 5 Series diesel model (the “d” indicates diesel), typically positioned as a more comfort- and economy-focused alternative to the M3. The hosts use the contrast to highlight the “downgrade” feeling when an M3 plate ends up on a non-performance BMW.
The BMW 5 Series is a comfortable, mid-size luxury car. It comes in many versions, from more basic ones to very high-performance models, so the same model name can mean very different driving experiences.
The Ford C-Max is a family/practical Ford people buy for space and everyday use. In this bit, it’s mentioned as something that’s getting under the speaker’s skin—like a different kind of car vibe than the M3 talk.
“Yuppie life” means the rich, career-focused lifestyle people imagined in the 1980s. The hosts are using it to set the scene for the kind of car a successful person would drive. It’s about status and image as much as speed.
The Mercedes-Benz 500E is a powerful Mercedes sedan from the late 80s/early 90s. People like it because it’s quick without being overly flashy. The hosts are basically saying it fits the “80s London rich guy” movie vibe.
Discreet performance means the car is quick, but it doesn’t try to brag about it. It looks more like a normal luxury car than a loud sports car. The Mercedes-Benz 500E is being described as powerful but not showy.
Layer Cake is being used as a cultural reference for a particular “look out into the distance” scene and the vibe of driving a performance car in that context. In podcast annotation terms, this is less about the movie itself and more about the hosts’ shorthand for tone and style.
RS4 is Audi’s performance car badge. It usually means a faster, sportier version of an otherwise normal Audi sedan. Here it’s mentioned to compare the feeling of that scene in the Mercedes.
The Holden Caprice is a big, comfortable sedan that was made in Australia. The podcast is talking about a special experimental vehicle connection involving a Caprice test car.
A “5-litre V8” is an engine that’s about five liters total and has eight cylinders shaped like a V. Bigger displacement engines often make more torque, but the exact output depends on the design.
A test mule is a “practice” car used to test new technology. It might look normal from the outside, but it’s built to help engineers try out parts before they’re used in a real production model.
This is about car rumors—stories that say a rare vehicle is still out there somewhere, like in a shed. People talk about them because they’re fun, and sometimes the rumors turn out to be real.
Wolf Race is a company that makes wheels. They also made a weird, rare six-wheeled show car that the hosts say still exists and recently sold at auction.
“Under the hammer” means it went to auction and was sold. It’s a common phrase for live auction sales.
Concept
Myra Test Ground in Leicestershire
They mention Myra Test Ground in Leicestershire as the place where crash testing equipment was used. It’s a specialized testing site, not a normal road.
They’re describing a crash test where a winch pulls cars together in a controlled way. That helps make the crash consistent so the results are easier to compare.
They’re not 100% sure, but they also think it could’ve been a Buick Skylark. It’s described as a strong, big-engine GM car used to pull equipment for crash tests.
The Oldsmobile Cutlass is an older American car model that was made for many years. It’s known for being a larger car, and some versions came with big V8 engines.
A “barn find” is a car that’s been sitting for a long time, usually in storage like a barn or garage. People get excited because it might still be original and full of history.
A Chevy Caprice is a big American car. Here, it’s being used like a disguise-car so engineers can test a new engine without people immediately realizing what’s going on.
Bentley is a luxury car brand. In this story, Bentley and Rolls-Royce are described as working together as one company while they develop a new engine.
A “5.0-liter V8” is an engine with eight cylinders, shaped like a V, and it’s 5.0 liters total. Bigger displacement usually means more potential for strong power, and the V layout helps with how the engine fits in the car.
A prototype is the first rough version of something new, built so people can test it. A test mule is a regular car used to drive that prototype around so engineers can learn how it behaves.
A mule car is basically a test vehicle. Engineers use it to try out new engines or parts early, so they can work out problems before building the real thing.
The Ford Escort Cosworth is a famous hot version of the Escort. The hosts are saying it was used as a disguise: it looked like an Escort Cosworth, but it wasn’t actually running the usual setup.
“Lengthways” means the engine is lined up front-to-back in the car. That matters because it affects how the drivetrain connects to the gearbox and wheels.
They’re talking about a Ford Scorpio V6 engine, and “24-valve” just means it has a lot of valve hardware for better breathing. The interesting part is that they swapped it into a different car as a development test.
Rear-wheel drive means the back wheels do the work of moving the car. The hosts are pointing out that the test car still used a rear-wheel-drive layout, even with a swapped engine.
“Survived the crusher” refers to a car being spared from being scrapped and shredded, which is common when vehicles are decommissioned or deemed obsolete. In collector circles, cars that avoid the crusher can become rare because most similar examples were destroyed. The segment implies this particular car was saved through concealment.
A “shed car” is a vehicle that someone kept stored away instead of using it or selling it. Sometimes these cars sit for years and then get discovered later. The hosts are saying this one was kept out of sight, so it wasn’t destroyed.
This is the name of an event the hosts are promoting. It’s not really about car tech—it’s more of a community announcement. Think of it like a “what’s happening next” moment in the episode.
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the Smith & Sniff spin-off in which we answer your questions.
Well, here we are with another Otisot answering your questions.
Our first visual Otisot, so you can watch this on YouTube,
or maybe some other platforms as well, we're not sure.
And you can see our faces.
I can't see why you have to do that,
but don't worry, it is also still just audio.
You can still see our faces.
Shall we dive straight into some questions from listeners?
Yeah, let's just dive straight in, shall we?
I've got one for you, Richard, actually.
OK, go on then.
So shall I ask it and then you answer it?
Yeah, I think that's a good system.
OK, this one's from Simon & Soph.
Hi, Richard.
Just checking if you have the night rider face on your Apple Watch.
CMTMB Simon.
Oh.
Yes.
I do.
Oh.
Yes, I don't really use it,
but I downloaded one when I was going to...
I think it might have been going to Radwood or something,
and I thought it might be quite fitting,
because this was before you'd bought me an actual night rider watch.
I know, Richard.
I was going to ask you, have you used your brand new night rider watch?
Yes, I've worn it.
Did I wear it at a live show, one of our shows I might have done?
Oh, did you? I've never seen it.
She should have played its little song to me or something.
I don't think it plays a little song.
Oh, doesn't it? Does it not do anything?
No, it just looks like a night rider watch,
which is sort of... that's half the battle, but yeah.
Yes, Simon, I do have a night rider face on my Apple Watch.
I don't select it very often,
but did he say just checking?
CMTMB.
Yeah, just checking if you have the night rider face on your Apple Watch.
Yeah.
OK.
Well, there we go. Anyway, yes, I do.
That was a very quick question, wasn't it? Just straight in.
Yeah, yeah.
Probably made it more complicated than it needs to be.
The answer is yes.
He put Otisot in the title and everything.
Well, that's to see we love that.
So, I move on to a question from a listener called Emil.
He is from Norway,
and I know this because he says,
I am from Norway in his question.
He actually starts with,
Hello, you contra-base clarinet.
I am from Norway.
And for us who are not from the UK
and just vaguely familiar with English cars,
I have a question that may seem silly to you.
What is the difference between Land Rover and Range Rover?
And has it got anything to do with the Rover car brand?
He signed off with what I assume is a Norwegian take on...
Cheers mate, thanks mate, bye.
Oh yeah, look at that.
I'm so sorry, I'm going to mangle this,
but I think Skal Kompis, Tak Kompis had it.
I love that.
Skal Kompis, Tak Kompis had it.
I mean, I know Tak is thank you in Norwegian.
That's the one bit of Norwegian.
I know, so that does make sense.
You've got to get the breathing right though.
There'll be some punctuation breathing techniques
that we haven't got there.
Yeah, but anyway, so to answer Emil's question,
what's the difference?
So yes, it is to do with the Rover car brand.
Yeah.
Land Rover is one of those car companies that was just a car.
That's right.
Same as DS, I suppose would be another example.
Was just a model has somehow become a whole car company.
So yeah, Rover made a Rover for driving across the land
and that was the Land Rover, it was just a model.
So when they came up with another Rover for driving across the range.
Well Jeep, I guess Jeep is the same, right?
Jeep, yeah, I suppose so.
Yes, because it was the Willys Jeep, wasn't it?
You're right, so yeah.
Yeah, and Willys was a brand of car before making an off-road thing.
Yeah, good point.
And then yeah, and then it becomes almost stronger
than the thing it broke away from.
Well, exactly those things in the Rover doesn't exist anymore,
but the model that it made in the 40s
that became a whole company.
So yeah, Land Rover, there was a Land Rover,
it was just a model of Rover.
And Land Rover itself officially became a company in the late 70s
when they sort of divided BL up into lots of subdivisions.
That's right.
And that's why, at that point though,
they just made the Land Rover and the Range Rover
all got a bit confusing when the Discovery came along
because then it was the Land Rover Discovery
and it's like, well, what's the Land Rover then?
Is the Land Rover Land Rover?
So that's when they renamed it the Defender.
Yes.
So that it liberated Land Rover to be the company
in a less confusing way.
Obviously, Range Rover was just a model made by Land Rover.
They used to really annoy me because it looks messy.
You still get it on some car sales websites,
but when I worked for Virgin Cars,
we had an internal system that listed all makes and models of car.
And it always listed the Range Rover as the Land Rover Range Rover
because it sort of had to.
It just sounds messy, doesn't it?
It sounds really messy.
But it is the truth, I suppose.
Yeah, officially, that is what a Range Rover is.
The Range Rover is, and all types of Range Rover
are models made by the company Land Rover.
And Land Rover is the umbrella, yeah.
Exactly, but then they're doing that house of brands thing
that nobody understands so that they're trying to separate it out
so that Range Rover feels like a separate company
that then makes the Evoke and the Velar.
But then again, it gets messy
because then you get to the full-size Range Rover
and what's that, the Range Rover Range Rover?
It doesn't make, again, there's no need to separate it.
You're spending money on things that don't need money spending on.
No.
Just spend that money on R&D.
In marketing terms, the difference between Land Rover and Range Rover
is that Land Rovers are meant to be sort of more off-roady
and you can put lifestyley shit in them
like surfboards and Range Rovers are meant to be luxury.
That would be their distinction, I suppose, in-house.
Yeah, traditionally, they were simpler, weren't they?
They were a simpler, less luxurious beast.
Yeah.
But the lines have become a little more blurred
in the same way that Skoda has become a lot more luxurious
and it's nudged into VW territory
because VW's nudged into Audi territory.
So the lines are blurred now.
It's true.
Isn't it?
Yeah.
Do you know?
I would say it is blurred.
The old distinction, it was much simpler when there was just a Land Rover
and a Range Rover within the Rover range
and it was, if you worked the Land, you had a Land Rover
and if you owned the Land, you had a Range Rover.
That's right.
That's the distinction, I would say.
I like that.
Okay, I hope that helps, Emil.
Maybe not.
Maybe that was more confusing.
I'm not sure.
But anyway, we gave it a shot.
Yeah, no, I like that one.
We've got another Scandinavian question
and it involves four by four vehicles.
So four by four conundrum.
This one's from James Taylor.
Hi, you pair of swench wenches.
Actually, it's not from Scandinavia.
I read that Swedish wrenches, but it's not.
It's swench.
So I'm just being a bit dim.
Hi, you pair of swench wrenches.
I'm looking to go from a one car garage to a two car garage.
Oh, exciting times, James.
My advice, buy another car.
That will achieve your dream.
I've got a 2020 1.4 Volkswagen Golf
and I'm looking to either add a second car
or trade it in for two cars.
I have around 10,000 pounds of cash to add to the pot.
The two car garage needs to be able to...
10,000 pounds of cash.
Sorry, I don't know why that tickled me.
This is the 10,000 pounds of topsoil,
which I'm hoping someone will swap for a car.
I have around 10,000 pounds of cash to add to the pot.
The two car garage needs to be able to do
rural train station runs,
a decent amount of miles per year,
B road blasting, and the occasional off-roading.
I would appreciate some quirky and enjoyable car choices from you.
Sorry.
Okay, two car garage needs to be able to do
rural train journeys,
decent amount of road work miles a year,
B road blasting, and occasional off-roading.
Sorry, right, that's the two cars.
Two cars, two cars.
Yeah.
I was being thick and thinking that was just one car
to do all that, right? I get you now.
We don't know what James is into.
He's got a Golf 1.4,
but we don't know what other stuff he's into.
And he's got 10,000 to either add to the pot
if he sells the Golf or trades it in
or keeps the Golf and adds another car.
So it's a five-year-old-ish Golf, is that right?
Yeah.
So what's that worth then?
I don't bloody know is the honest answer.
Let's say theoretical 10,
and he's got 10 pounds of cash as well to put in.
So 20 grand for two cars.
20 grand for two cars is a lot.
B road blasting and occasional off-roading.
So these are the two sort of talents that are needed here.
I'm going to split them.
I'm going to be able to say to do,
right, rural train station runs,
it can do decent miles a year
and it will be good at occasional off-roading, OK?
A car that will tick all of those things out of your road.
First or second generation.
Because you can comfortably afford both of those generations, I think.
He haven't said whether you care about MPG,
it's just a decent amount of miles a year.
You can get one with a fruitier engine.
I like the all-road.
It's probably going to shut its air suspension as we've seen before.
One of James's stipulations was,
oh yes, must have the constant spectre of shitting its own suspension.
He hasn't said whether he needs to do any towing work.
I keep thinking about a Suzuki Swift Sport as the B road car
and slash rural train station because they're sort of small, easy to talk.
They're slim.
Yeah, rural train stations are slim.
Pretty well made.
Second generation, I think.
I had a first generation one as a long-term test car from Evo,
and it was great.
But the second gen just sort of, I think, is a bit easy to live with
for a number of reasons and it just has a few more mod-cons.
It doesn't have to be run on super un-ledded,
which the first one was supposed to be.
Oh yeah.
Even things like the first generation one,
those Swift had a really massive key.
It's keyless, but the key was sort of very big and chunky.
Really, was it like trying to put a mug of tea in your pocket
without the tea in, obviously, like a mug?
It felt like sort of trying to slot a VHS cassette into your jeans pocket.
It felt like, oh, that's uncomfortable now.
It was almost like I remember borrowing a second generation Swift Sport
after I'd had my first gen car.
And then it was as if Suzuki had read my mind
or maybe read the things I wrote in Evo,
and they'd fixed everything I didn't like about the first gen car
with the second gen, so I think they're terrific.
And they are within budget here, I think.
So that would be my vote.
James hasn't said how old he is,
so I don't know whether he gives a toss about insurance costs or tax.
But because there's me thinking if he digs a golf,
but he's got a 1.4, you could just go for a GTI, Mark 7,
or Mark 6, or Mark 5 if you wanted a slightly older one,
which would be a hell of an upgrade from a 1.4.
Perfect for B-roading, fine for lots of miles a year.
I wonder what the context is for the occasional off-roading,
because it's like, yeah, get a golf,
spend most of your budget on a really nice golf GTI
and then just get an old Jimny or something
for a little bit of off-roading when you want to.
I don't know if that's going to fit the bill.
Jimny's are going up in value too much, I feel,
so I would get something nobody really wants.
Get a Daihatsu Terios.
Yes, yes, that would also do it.
I think that would be a bit of an Easter Island head.
Oh, no, I know what he could get if we were feeling a little silly.
He could get himself a naughty little K-Car Rocket
if he wanted to be a bit quirky.
He has mentioned the word quirky.
Yes, well, I was going to say, what about a Renault Kangoo Trekker?
Oh, they're bloody cool.
Because if it's not hardcore off-roading,
if it's just sort of like a little bit,
get some decent tyres on that that are built for a bit of off-road work.
And I think they're quite rare, aren't they, the trackers?
I feel like there's a whiff of kayak at the weekend about James Taylor.
Do you think?
Yes, I think there's a whiff of occasional triathlon.
Loves an expensive bicycle and maybe a bit of kayaking.
So if he's that kind of guy,
Kangoo Trekker type thing,
or even the Audi Allred,
but the Kangoo Trekker type thing would be spot on, wouldn't it?
I'm going to throw my hat in for that, I think.
Or just go for a massive, massive power saloon car that nobody wants anymore.
Yes.
XJR.
Oh, OK.
BMW 740, Audi S8,
Sodic, go for the S.
Who needs the A?
Go for the S.
OK.
Yes, and then a Tereos or something.
And then a Tereos, like a real, like,
rural off-road, occasional off-roady little slag scamp.
Slaggy scamp.
Slaggy scamp.
Is that OK to say?
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Hello, you pair of brothers from a find another mother.
Although not a patron, I have owned not one but three Subaru Impretzi, which I...
Oh, I don't think that's the plural, but I appreciate that he's given it a go.
Three Subaru Impretzi, which I think qualifies the following question.
I started to become aware of the phenomenon which I'm about to describe a year or so ago,
and now I'm trapped in a prison of my own making and as I can't stop spotting it.
I live in rural Southern Scotland, Macrae country.
The Impretzi remains synonymous with the aforementioned Mercurial Scott, even after all these years.
And so, as someone who's still daily's one, an R205 in World Rally Blue
with one remaining piece of blue protective plastic on the passenger side door sill,
making it for sure a one-of-one car.
Top marks for using the term for sure as well.
Yes, it's lovely to touch that. But Rick says by driving this Impretzi,
he says he gets certain subtle Tillerman benefits.
These include but are not limited to the occasional appreciative nod,
the, I used to have one of those back in the day at the pumps.
Yeah, back in the day.
Or when the rally jacketed gods are really smiling on you
and indicator being flicked on to allow you smooth flat four passage when it is safe to do so.
Ah, so is he saying that people in rural Scotland will let an Impretzi by as a sort of...
So he can hear the bum note.
Yeah.
Yes, I guess so. Yeah, you hear sort of throbbing and then...
I flip and love the flat four.
So Rick says this brings me to the phenomenon in question.
Are you aware of what would have been Subaru Impretzi WRX STI specific personal plates
now adoring non-Subaru cars or other model specific plating being retained
and put onto a non-matching car?
I can't stop seeing them.
WRX, WRC on a VW Tiguan, STI 555 on a Fold C Max.
What? That's offensive.
I know, PR0 DVE on a Suzuki Solaria.
If I'm lucky enough to be able to catch a glimpse of the Helmsman, they are inevitably the same guy.
They are, I used to have one of those back in the day guy.
Why doesn't the guy from back in the day who went to the effort of getting STI 555 as a personal reg,
why don't they still have one? I don't understand people like this.
Why don't they still have the car that they love?
Well, you never know, do you? This is how Rick answers his message.
He's wondering if he's staring into the eyes of men who once had it
and now hope that it lives on through a personal plate
that they reckon is going to be worth a fortune when the days of all-wheel drive,
two-litre turbos roar again.
Yours crouched in a ditch shaking a rolled-up program, Rick.
That just sounds a bit wrong.
That sounds like he's having to do a road poo.
Yes, he does.
I know exactly what he means and I have seen it
and I think that one of them is quite egregious
is when somebody clearly had a BMW X5
and they succumbed to that trattie phenomenon of getting an X5 plate for it.
They've now moved on to another BMW
and so they've got a 5-series or something, a 440 or something like that
that's conspicuously not an X5, but clearly they've become attached to the plate.
So they've stuck it on there and you go, I know the story here.
It's usually the M3 people. I've seen M3 people like that.
They had an M3 and they've gone to some BMW that's dull.
But they've kept the M3 plate and I always just think
you're telling the world that you used to be cooler than what you now are, aren't you?
There is something a little bit sad about it when you see a 520D with an M3 plate on it
because you just go, I know what's happened to you here and there's no shame in it.
Your circumstances have changed. You now have children and other commitments
and the M3 has long gone, but my friend, just drop the plate.
You could sell it to someone who has still got an M3
and they'd probably give you a few hundred quid for it.
STI 5-5-5 on a forwarder. C-Max is honestly making me itch.
There's a sort of people who are watching videos of other people
DJing rave classics on a Friday night about it.
Yes.
Because it is a bit of a, I used to be me, that I'd have been out.
This was a Friday night in the 90s. I'd have been out raving.
It's like, yeah, but we all get old. You don't, you know, just accept your fate.
There's a sort of clinging.
Back in the day, almost sounds like a spin-off of match of the day
for people who aren't interested in football.
So it's just a broader brush of...
Talking about things from the past.
Yeah.
But it's still fronted by Gary Linnicka.
Yeah, someone's watching, I don't know, Juventus playing bloody somebody, Munich by Munich.
And then, and we're, in the meantime, watching BITD.
Going, ah, yeah, yeah. Do you remember when LTJ Bookum did the progression sessions off of 1996?
Fucking hell, mate. Never better. Never better. Never better.
Wow. I didn't expect LTJ Bookum to get a mention today, but I'm glad that he...
Well, he did, because that album was 30 years old a couple of weeks ago.
What?
It was 30... What's that?
It came out in April the 8th, 1996, which was my brother's...
Is my brother's birthday.
Which is terrifying.
Terrifying.
I listened to it last night while I was washing up.
Did you?
Yeah, it was phenomenal. It was phenomenal.
Can I just say it was phenomenal?
Yes. I'm going to go and listen to it now, because I remember it being great, but I've not listened to it for years.
Yeah, I do. Do listen to it.
It really speeds things up in the kitchen.
Have we got time for another one?
One more.
One more, yeah? For sure.
Okay, we've got this one from Simon Coley.
Good morning, you pair of din-rated flanges.
Having listened...
Wow.
Yeah, that was straight in.
Having listened to The Call to Arms, to listen to the Scorpion song Send Me an Angel,
not only did a suitable car pop into my head, but the scenario slash alternative music video
in which said song and car could live in harmony.
Picture this.
It's the 80s. You have money. You live in leafy, leafy London.
And you are living your best, yuppie life.
Although you haven't just done well, you've done some serious buzznuss deals,
and you've bought yourself the girthiest of buzznuss mobile.
The Mercedes-Benz 500E.
Ooh.
Like the song.
Yes.
Powerful, but not a chest-beating show-off.
80... I love that.
80s man comes back after a hard day of buzznuss,
and probably some Colombian marching powder.
It is the 80s after all, but comes home to find wife has cheated.
After 80s silent screaming with music playing,
with silken sheets disguising modesties.
80s man...
Stomps out, shoots off into setting sun in brackets
Think RS4 scene from Layer Cake in the Mercedes, though.
Lots of looking into distance.
Tear-filled eyes.
Possible visit to bar meets other lady.
Hang on, that's not a question.
Is it?
I've not heard a question so far, but is there another bit?
No, that's the end. Where's the question?
Why do I get these non-questions?
It says Otisot in the title.
Well, there's a salutary lesson, as we always say.
If it's a question, put Otisot in the title,
because it helps to find them.
If it's not a question, just put something else.
Well, I'll do a really quick question from another listener called James,
who says,
Listening to a recent podcast where you discussed various abandoned cars
you'd seen from trains, I was reminded of a question to ask,
which I first thought of reading one of Richard's boring car trivia books.
Richard writes about a 5-litre V8 Rolls Royce-powered Chevrolet Caprice test mule,
which is rumoured to still exist in a shed in Northern England.
This is true.
This got me thinking about the wider world of hidden-away automotive urban legends.
My question to you guys is,
what interesting and unique vehicles are you aware of
that are rumoured to be in existence in sheds and lock-ups?
Oh, my gosh.
You must have heard of some tasty things.
Yeah, well, one of them actually came out of hibernation a couple of months ago,
which was the Wolf Race, if you remember the Wolf Race, the wheel company,
which is still around.
The show vehicle they made in the very early 80s, or was it the late 70s,
that was six-wheeled?
Yeah, we've talked about it before, haven't we?
Yeah, so a lot of people thought that that had been broken up and laid to rest,
but it actually exists, and it went under the hammer.
And I'd love to see that.
Absolutely love to see that.
There's rumours that the moulds still exist for the Panther 6,
one of my favourite cars of all time,
which one day I will not tell you,
and I will commission a new moulding of one with Smith & Sniff's budget
and put a Chevy LS in it.
But I'm trying to think of other vehicles.
There was a vehicle that used to, it was at Myra Test Ground in Leicestershire,
and it used to pull the winch system that used to collide cars together for crash testing.
Oh.
And it was, I'm pretty sure it was an Oldsmobile,
it was either an Oldsmobile Cutlass or a Buick Skylark,
a big block GM vehicle, and apparently there was nothing it couldn't pull.
And it had hardly any miles on it, but all it was used for is to fire it up,
warm it up for a few minutes, and then just pull on this pulley system.
Yeah.
And that was it.
But I have heard it's still around, but not at Myra,
and I'd love to know what the deal is with that car.
These things come out of the woodwork,
like the barn finds on the late break show,
you just think, how has that been there for 30, 40, 50 years?
It's just weird.
It's amazing though, isn't it?
It's really, it's heartening, and it's also, I suppose, good for you and your channel.
Yeah.
That these things still do happen.
I was going to say, just to explain for people who haven't read my book,
the Chevy Caprice that James mentions was in the 90s, I think,
Rolls-Royce and Bentley, still one company at that point,
developed a new 5.0-litre V8 in-house,
and to put some miles on the first prototype,
they needed to put it into a car that could take a big V8,
but that if someone saw it stopped with the bonnet up,
they wouldn't necessarily immediately clock that there was a new experimental engine there,
so they wanted an unfamiliar car in the UK.
So, yeah, they bought a Chevy Caprice, fitted the engine in that,
and then they were able to put a load of miles on it,
and nobody was any the wiser as to what they were up to.
But, yeah, I was told by someone who worked on that project that the Caprice,
they realised they couldn't really afford to do their own engine,
and so the Caprice mule was tucked away somewhere.
It wasn't destroyed, supposedly, and it is,
well, last time I was told a few years ago,
it's rumoured to still exist somewhere in the shed, so that's a good one.
I can't imagine how much palming that Caprice had done around the UK,
just absolutely, just palming it.
I'm imagining just pulling out of a junction and just really going for it on the palm front,
because that's like about five turns to pull out of a junction, isn't it?
Yeah, waxing on, waxing off, you'd get corns on the palm of your hands, wouldn't you?
Yeah, I think so, calloused hands from excessive palming.
Yeah, I can't think, I mean, there's lots of things that also you hear about
when they come to light, sort of prototypes and what-offs.
There used to be a load of stuff that Folds worked on down in Essex
that company rules said that if it was surplus requirements, it should be crushed,
and an engineer who worked at Ford back in the 90s and early 2000s said that
if they had something really cool, they had a place they would send them
where they could hide them effectively.
So when the auditors came around, they wouldn't notice.
Really?
They had like a, yeah, they had a, what looked like an Escort Cosworth,
but it had a Scorpio 24-valve V6 in it,
but obviously mounted lengthways the way that Escort Cosworth engines sat anyway,
and it was rear-wheel drive.
Oh, wow.
So it was completely pointless,
and there's no way Ford would ever sell a V6 rear-wheel drive Escort Cosworth.
It just sort of didn't make sense.
It was just a plaything, but it survived the crusher because they hid it away
when the auditors came around.
And I think John Barker drove it for Car Magazine years ago.
I don't know if it still exists, but that was a definite kind of hidden in a shed car.
Yeah, yeah.
Wow.
So there's all sorts of things like that.
Anyway, that's probably enough question answering for this week,
but if you have got a question, hello at smithandsniff.com,
is the address, and we'll do this all again next Friday,
normal show on Monday.
Until then, goodbye.
Bye, everybody.
Cheers, mate.
Thanks, mate.
Bye.
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About this episode
Smith & Sniff’s Otisot 99 mixes listener Q&A with car trivia and a few tangents. They start with a quick Apple Watch “Night Rider” check, then tackle a genuine branding question: how Land Rover became the umbrella company and how Range Rover fits in. A two-car garage dilemma turns into quirky pairing suggestions (Swift Sport, GTI, and off-road-ish oddballs like a Kangoo Trekker). Other segments riff on STI personal plates on non-Subarus and “back in the day” nostalgia, then end with rumors of hidden-away shed vehicles, including a Rolls-Royce/Bentley Caprice test mule and other barn-find legends.
Jonny and Richard answer listeners’ questions about Knight Rider watch faces, the difference between Land Rover and Range Rover, quirky replacements for a Golf, model specific plates on the wrong car, and legendary garage find rumours.