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Hello everybody and welcome back to the P1 podcast
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with Matt and Tommy, Emergency Edition.
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Now, you may well have noticed we're in, we're in person
04:00
and we did, in fact, border flight the moment Cadillac
04:05
pressed the green light, the red button to say,
04:08
yes, we will announce both Bottas and Perez for 2026.
04:12
So we're here finally,
04:14
that literally the second we could record, we are.
04:20
What's your reaction, Tommy?
04:21
My reaction was, I can't believe they waited
04:24
literally for the second we got on the flight.
04:26
I even checked Twitter thinking that this news might appear
04:29
at some point this week.
04:30
It was very heavily rumored and it came up on my Twitter.
04:34
58 seconds ago they posted it
04:36
and we were literally ready to take off
04:38
and I was basically about to send my phone to Availability.
04:40
We were watching the video
04:43
as well and I just saw a moustache and I said, oh no.
04:46
Oh no, they're announcing.
04:48
I thought it was maybe just Bottas.
04:51
Both drivers, yeah.
04:52
So, yes, Valtteri and Sergio back in Formula One.
05:00
You can see what they're doing.
05:01
Yeah, well look, we talked about this, didn't we?
05:03
And we said, you know, they could go down the route
05:05
of one experienced, one young talent.
05:07
They could go for both experience,
05:09
considering they are a new team on the grid
05:11
and they want to try and shape their team
05:13
in a sort of good mold for something that makes sense.
05:17
And I'm not particularly surprised by it, to be honest with you.
05:21
This is a long-term project for Cadillac.
05:23
Of course, in 2029 they're going to be doing their own engines,
05:26
but for now Ferrari.
05:28
Look, it's not the most exciting thing from a,
05:31
you know, you don't have like a drug of itch or something
05:33
that you go, oh, I wonder how they're going to do.
05:35
I am intrigued to see how they will be against each other.
05:38
I've seen a lot of jokes about you
05:39
in the battle of the number two driver and things like that.
05:42
Well, because they were the team players for 2021
05:44
championship of Hamilton versus Verstappen, weren't they?
05:47
And now we're going to see them together.
05:50
Maybe even with Christian Horner as team principal.
05:56
What alternate universe are we in?
05:59
But you can understand what they're doing, can't you,
06:03
in terms of, it's all about experience.
06:06
Bottas and Perez are two of the most, you know,
06:10
they're both race winners.
06:12
And they've also been in Formula One for ages.
06:15
And you can't really argue that you could have got anyone
06:20
any more experience than those two, really.
06:22
No, no, it's a lot of, I mean, what were they,
06:25
but combined age, be like over 70, I'd imagine.
06:28
They'll be the oldest team on the grid with the combined ages.
06:31
The newest team, but the oldest team.
06:34
My first question would be on Pedro, remember Katie,
06:36
who do you think will get more points in 2026?
06:41
I'm locking in Bottas immediately, Valtteri.
06:44
And the reason that I'm doing that is because Valtteri's,
06:50
And we are in a quali championship.
06:52
What that will look like next year, who knows, right?
06:54
But I'm not expecting a massive overhaul of Formula One
06:56
where all of a sudden we can overtake again.
06:59
So look, if a lot of races are determined on a Saturday
07:03
and at least points opportunities are determined on a Saturday,
07:06
then I think Bottas, I know he was in one of the best cars ever made,
07:10
but he also has some of the best Q3 streak of anyone in Formula One.
07:16
So that's why I am going for Valtteri Bottas more points.
07:20
I'm going for Perez.
07:22
And I'm very confident it's going to be Perez, actually.
07:24
I completely disagree.
07:26
Because a Bottas is salvastant.
07:27
Is that what you're judging on?
07:29
He was having fun then, Tommy.
07:30
He was just chilling.
07:31
He's having fun now.
07:34
I think that, you know, they've hired two drivers very similar
07:38
in terms of experience.
07:40
For me, I have my opinions on Bottas and his race craft
07:47
And look, he's very good at qualifying.
07:50
I could see him being good at qualifying.
07:52
But last year we saw Bottas, what he could do
07:56
in arguably the worst car on the grid.
07:59
And I think that was one of the most important points.
08:02
The race where the sub was actually pretty decent.
08:05
Joe Guan Yu got those points because it was all about
08:09
maximizing that result when it was about making moves
08:13
And I actually think that Sergio Perez, while he's got this
08:16
bad reputation of what happened at Red Bull,
08:20
was when he was in a midfield car, he was the guy
08:25
I didn't think he's going to get podiums.
08:27
Don't get me wrong.
08:28
I think he's using positions in those crazy races.
08:31
And Cadillac might be in a position where the only times
08:35
they're going to get good points finishes is maybe
08:40
And I would back Perez all day long to be the driver that
08:44
if you put them both on soft tyres at the end of a race,
08:46
who's going to be the one that's carving the way
08:48
through the field, I would say Perez and Bottas
08:50
stuck behind the DRS train.
08:52
Or even going backwards.
08:53
Tommy and the Bottas hater coming out once again.
08:55
I'm not even a Bottas hater.
08:56
Yeah, you tell that to your opinions.
08:59
I know we love to share this amazing stat that Bottas
09:02
was in, like you said.
09:05
You got into Q3 a hundred times in the best car on the grid
09:08
when there's no reliability problems.
09:10
Anyone else managed to do that?
09:11
I think half the grid would if they were in his position.
09:14
Did Hamilton do that?
09:15
Did Hamilton do it?
09:16
No, because he had mechanical problems.
09:20
Look, I'm team Bottas.
09:21
Tommy's team Perez.
09:23
We now know in the comments which team you're on.
09:26
I think both, right?
09:27
I'm not saying Perez can have a stinker.
09:28
That's not what I'm saying here.
09:30
But I think the Bottas could.
09:31
We could see a rejuvenation.
09:32
And that's why we love this agreement.
09:35
Next question from DC Wrestle.
09:36
Where do you think Cadillac will finish in their first season
09:39
with such experienced drivers?
09:42
Look, I know they're experienced drivers,
09:45
but we've seen in the past that I think I'm throwing back
09:50
all the way to 2010 where Lotus, they decided
09:55
we're going to get two very experienced drivers
09:57
who were race winners as well.
09:59
Covaliner and truly.
10:00
And the car was an absolute nightmare.
10:02
And they couldn't do anything.
10:04
Now, I don't think that Cadillac are going to be that bad.
10:07
They're going to have their work cut out
10:09
for sure being a new team.
10:10
But we've seen that that's probably not the norm anymore
10:13
because I think they are doing the right thing
10:15
with what we saw with Haas.
10:18
Because you look at Haas, it was very controversial
10:20
at the time that they were like,
10:21
we're going to take parts from Ferrari.
10:23
Now it's a bit more common and a lot of teams do it.
10:26
If they'd gone in from building their own engines
10:29
from the start, it's P21 and 22 locked in.
10:33
However, we saw what Haas could do with a Ferrari engine.
10:37
If that Ferrari engine is good in an engine formula,
10:40
they've got a chance of being able to be there.
10:44
I don't think they're going to be a million miles
10:46
back personally with that approach.
10:48
I think that approach is better because it may sound
10:51
laughable to think that they're not going to be last.
10:54
But look what Haas did.
10:56
I think they were six in their very first race
10:58
because they used the Ferrari power unit was very good.
11:02
That was an engine formula then.
11:05
And if that power unit is good from Ferrari,
11:07
which we're expecting it to be, they could be good.
11:11
Let's not keep saying that.
11:13
We can't start the delusion train already.
11:16
I'm more leaning towards Cadillac not being great
11:20
in this first season.
11:22
I think that the driver lineup in my mind suggests that.
11:25
That almost seems like...
11:27
We're going to struggle.
11:28
Let's get a couple of guys and it'll fix our team,
11:31
fix our car, take us in the right direction from round one.
11:35
That's where I'm leaning towards.
11:37
There's no disrespect to Cadillac,
11:38
but I feel as though it's not like,
11:40
yeah, we're going to get two rookie drivers in.
11:43
We're going to hit the sort of ground running.
11:46
I just don't necessarily see that with the Bottas and Perez lineup,
11:49
but that's not to say that they can't build on that.
11:52
And perhaps 2029 is where their goal is
11:54
and all that sort of stuff.
11:55
So I'm leaning more towards, again, as well also,
11:57
who's to say that the Ferrari engine will be amazing.
12:00
I know that we're saying that it might,
12:02
but 2026 is such a lottery
12:04
that it's really difficult to answer this question.
12:06
But I'm leaning more towards...
12:07
Until we do what championship predictions for 2026
12:10
pre-F1 testing and you're saying
12:11
Charlotte Clair is going to win the championship.
12:13
Sorry, didn't need the spoilers, did you?
12:16
You know, you don't know what I'm going to say next year.
12:18
Next question from P1 Patreon member,
12:21
I can't be the only one disappointed that two new seats
12:23
on the grid have gone to two older drivers
12:25
who are close to retirement
12:27
instead of giving more young drivers a chance.
12:31
No, it's absolutely fair enough to feel this way,
12:35
especially because, yeah,
12:37
the queue to get into Formula One just constantly grows.
12:41
I think the Drugovich, of course,
12:43
was a driver that was sort of lightly rumoured
12:46
to potentially get a shot.
12:48
Mick Schumacher as well, who, I don't know,
12:50
I don't know if I would have been as excited as perhaps
12:52
seeing a Drugovich go in, just purely because
12:54
we have seen Mick on the grid.
12:56
It's not an exciting lineup.
13:00
It's not what you want to see, I guess, in some ways,
13:02
if you're looking for...
13:03
Because that's the whole...
13:05
The exciting thing about Formula One is you have new talent.
13:07
How are they going to fare?
13:09
Then you have, you know, Bortoletto, for example,
13:11
doing phenomenally well so far in his rookie season.
13:14
So those kind of storylines we're not going to get.
13:17
However, I think if we look at it, flip it to a positive side,
13:20
it'll be quite nice to see a Perez sort of redemption arc
13:24
after everything he went through,
13:26
which he couldn't handle that Red Bull.
13:28
We also can see that no one can handle that Red Bull.
13:30
And we've also sort of, you know,
13:32
apologised for that and the fact that we were unfamiliar
13:35
with the Red Bull second-seat game as far as it's gone,
13:38
where it's just nobody can handle that.
13:40
So a Perez redemption arc would be quite lovely to see.
13:43
A Bottas redemption arc as well,
13:45
because Tommy thinks he's in the mud finished
13:47
and all he cares about is his mullet.
13:49
So there are still things, I think, to keep an eye on.
13:51
And it will be, I think, feel-good moments.
13:53
You know, if Perez in a crazy race does get a podium,
13:56
that will be a cool thing to see.
13:58
That would be insane, yeah.
13:59
I think, yeah, it is disappointing.
14:01
We've had this trend where, for so long, older drivers
14:05
were kind of hogging the seats, if you like.
14:08
And then as soon as we had that kind of one moment
14:12
where, you know, rookies came in, look at last year
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and all the rookies, sorry, the start of this year,
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all the rookies that came in,
14:20
it kind of did feel like Oscar Piestri and Liam Lawson
14:24
and it kind of opened the floodgates of,
14:26
okay, let's put our faith in young talent.
14:29
And I would have personally really liked to have seen
14:34
I'd have loved to have seen Drugovich go in personally
14:37
to see what he can do.
14:38
He's highly aware he's got youth on his side
14:41
more than the drivers that are there.
14:44
I do understand why they do it.
14:46
They've gone for this lineup,
14:48
but it does feel like they've picked
14:51
basically two very similar drivers
14:53
with lots of experience who are,
14:56
and this is why, you know, me and you have disagreed
14:59
on who we think is going to do better
15:01
because they're very, I think most people
15:05
would kind of agree that they are similar drivers in performance.
15:10
Yeah, similar standard, yeah.
15:12
Standard and have had quite similar careers
15:15
in the fact that, you know, they've won a few races.
15:18
They've been number two drivers to world champions,
15:21
but they've also done a lot of races
15:23
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15:26
So, yeah, I would have liked to have seen a rookie passing.
15:29
So I do understand the frustration.
15:31
Yeah, but I guess we also got used to the fact that,
15:34
as you say, young talent was coming through
15:36
the doors left, right and centre.
15:37
We're like, wow, this is the norm in the world, hold on.
15:39
This isn't the absolute norm.
15:40
And Cadillac have their own aims and goals
15:43
clearly with that team that suggests
15:46
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15:48
And also, unfortunately, for that side of it,
15:53
we had this conversation about Daniel Ricciardo
15:55
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15:57
I've seen loads of memes flying around about Daniel Ricciardo
15:59
and, oh, why didn't he get the seat?
16:02
And he said very publicly,
16:03
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16:08
And with these two drivers...
16:11
He said had enough, but fully.
16:13
He said it's not going to happen at Cadillac and stuff.
16:16
So it feels like that was never going to happen
16:20
for Daniel Ricciardo.
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But Perez and Bottas are also very well known.
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Sergio Perez, of course, brings a huge fan base.
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22:35
People are obviously happy to see him back.
22:39
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22:41
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22:43
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22:46
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22:51
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22:55
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22:57
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23:02
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23:05
got podiums in forced Indias and things like that.
23:08
So I want to race for racing point.
23:10
But he is going to, yeah,
23:13
I think Perez is going to be the one that if he delivers
23:17
and say we do have this miracle race where it's a crazy race
23:22
and he bags like a P6 or P7,
23:25
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23:29
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23:32
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23:34
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23:36
And I feel like he can prove a lot of people wrong with that.
23:39
Yeah, I do love the, he won a race at the racing point
23:43
where you also believe that that racing point
23:45
that you should have won the championship.
23:47
No, not quite that much.
23:49
I think Perez for sure,
23:51
just purely from a recency bias type situation.
23:54
I don't think Bottas has sort of had his Mercedes stint
23:57
and then just, it's just dwindled, hasn't it?
23:59
Just he went to Sauber and just had a great time.
24:02
He just had some Sunday drives, just chilled.
24:04
Yeah, so it was kind of just like, ah, you know,
24:06
you're having a Kimi Reichenan into your career kind of thing.
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That was what Bottas was sort of doing.
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Whereas Perez, yeah, it was like a just absolutely out of nowhere
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drop of form massively.
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Yeah, I think that it has to be him for sure.
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But there's no sort of denying that he can do that.
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So we will see, can Cadillac give them a good car?
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P1 Pedro, remember Alonso makes me feel funny.
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Wow, that is not my better name.
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Why would Cadillac not try and get a driver from the USA?
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Do they have an experienced driver from the USA to pick from?
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That kind of goes back to the whole, you know,
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what sort of route do they want to go with their drivers,
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the experience we've spoken about.
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You've got some drivers in an Indy car that they could have gone for
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and things like that.
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But realistically, that's clearly not what they want to go for
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and they've got Bottas on a diving board holding an American flag.
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Is he going to ditch the Australian nationality?
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Yeah, he's a third of all of them.
25:09
As simple as they didn't have a driver that they felt comfortable
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enough probably to be able to build a team.
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No, and I think it's absolutely the right approach
25:17
so they don't just rush someone through just because they're American.
25:19
Just for the sake of it, yeah.
25:20
Look at Logan Sargent and how badly he performed.
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He was another one where all the conversation was
25:26
we need an American F1, F1's booming.
25:29
Williams really pushed for him to the point
25:32
where it almost looked like he wasn't going to get
25:34
enough super license points and they still got him in.
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Look how badly it went.
25:38
I think, you know, when an American maybe, you know,
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there's many in Formula 2 and Formula 3
25:46
that might come through the ranks,
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as soon as someone is good enough and ready,
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I'm sure Cadillac will very much want to jump at that chance
25:55
to get an American on board.
25:57
But at the same time, I think people over egg the fact
26:01
that obviously not speaking for all American fans,
26:07
but look at the reaction to when they did those driver intros
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and how much of a cheer or lack of that Logan Sargent got.
26:17
I think you'll kind of, you'll get enough support,
26:21
but people will always support like the top drivers
26:24
and they will always be more popular than just flat out
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here's someone from America.
26:30
So I don't think they need to rush someone through
26:32
for the sake of it.
26:33
The hype of Colton Herter very much has died down a lot
26:36
with how well other drivers now are doing in IndyCar
26:41
and it feels like when Andretti, who of course,
26:45
this is part of that bid,
26:48
we're really pushing for him at the start.
26:51
That hype has massively died down
26:53
and yeah, they've gone for two experienced drivers
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that are going to basically see them into a new era
27:01
and then of course, because naturally of their age,
27:05
they're not going to be there for like five, six, seven years.
27:10
And Hamilton as well in his 40s,
27:12
they do stay around for a while.
27:14
I think that as much as a lot of you listening
27:17
and watching are probably not going to be too excited
27:19
by this two ex-drivers coming back,
27:22
but it does show that Cadillac is serious
27:25
because Bottas and Perez would not be cheap.
27:27
As much as they are number two drivers,
27:29
oh, they're not that great, they would not be cheap.
27:32
They are proven race winners.
27:34
As we've said, they've got plenty of podiums between them.
27:36
They wouldn't have been cheap.
27:38
This is a full-blown investment.
27:40
As much as I've joked about my opinion on Bottas
27:43
and also people have their opinions on Perez and stuff,
27:46
they have two race winners in a brand new team
27:51
and big names that people know.
27:54
So it is a strong lineup
27:57
and I think there's a reason
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they've announced them together as well of like,
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yeah, we're Cadillac, we're not messing around.
28:05
Two experienced drivers, two race winners.
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So yeah, can totally see why they've done it.
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And there we go. That is our reaction
28:12
to Bottas and Perez coming back to Formula One in 2026.
28:16
Thanks for joining us here in Amsterdam.
28:18
We've got our live shows on Wednesday and Thursday this week,
28:21
which is very exciting.
28:22
If you're coming along,
28:23
can't wait to see you in a few days.
28:25
We've announced our talk there as well.
28:27
So if you haven't seen that,
28:28
go and check it out on Instagram.
28:30
And that is it. Tell me what are your final thoughts?
28:33
Love you really, Valtteri.
28:36
I did enjoy the memes.
28:38
I did enjoy the memes.
28:39
I liked that it was real.
28:41
Don't worry, Valtteri, I'm here for you.
28:42
I will support you.
28:45
Don't dare get P23 now.
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