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Hello and welcome to Car Stuff.
I'm your host Scott Benjamin, and today we're going to do something just a little bit different.
We've had a new round, a new rebirth of Car Stuff here, and have only heard me on the
microphone.
And it's been a little bit awkward.
I'll be honest with you.
I've been trying my best to kind of get the hang of this monologue versus a conversation
because if you're a longtime Car Stuff listener, you know that Ben and I had this show going
together for a long, long time, and it was a good conversation back and forth to talk
that we had every week for a good nine years, I think.
It was great.
I mean, we had a lot of fun, and we were able to, I think we made the best out of each
show.
We were able to really kind of draw from each other and kind of play off each other and
make things work.
And it just wasn't working out for me in the early part of this, the first few episodes.
And I tried and I just never got it, and I found a way, I think, around this.
And I've got somebody here to help me out today that I think you guys are going to like
a lot of.
He's my producer.
His name is Kurt Garren, and Kurt is, is, is Garren at me right now from across the
table, the, in Ben's old seat, I guess.
And Kurt and you and I have done a couple of episodes of another show called The Fast
Track Already.
But no one here on car stuff quite knows you yet if they're not a listener of The Fast
Track as well.
So Kurt, tell us just a little bit about yourself.
It doesn't have to be anything too in depth, and I'll help you along here as we go, because
I know it's a little bit awkward to introduce yourself and talk about yourself.
Let us know just a little bit about you.
You're in cars, right?
My interesting car is a bit different from yours, Scott.
I'm more of a fan of the design of the cars, I'm more of an observer, I'm not necessarily
a driver, although, you know, I put around town in my car every day, I'm not a guy that's
going to go out to the race track and race my car around, however, I did race bicycles
for a time.
Oh, that's interesting.
So that's how I got my racing fix.
To your bike guy.
Yeah.
Okay.
Well, you know what, there's a huge time between auto manufacturers and bicycle manufacturers
personally in the history of cars.
So that's something that we can definitely talk about in the future.
But I know that, you know, I think you're selling yourself a little bit short here on
this.
You know more than you're letting on because you and I talk off air a lot.
I mean, we have a lot of conversations that are not behind the microphone and I think
you're holding back.
I mean, I think you're sandbagging because you had a BMW for a while.
You don't drive that anymore.
You drive something else now, but you had a BMW for a while.
You've had an interesting car.
I think you know more about cars than you're letting on.
I really do.
And we'll find that.
We're going to draw that out of you and the good part about this show about car stuff
is that this conversation goes so many different directions.
You know, car stuff is about a little bit of everything.
It's not just automobiles.
As you know, it's about planes, trains, boats, you know, anything, floats, flies, what's
the...
I forget the line, the tagline that we use now, but just about anything that is a form
of transportation or a mechanical in any way, we just love to talk about that stuff.
And I think you're going to fit right in with this.
And I know you will because, you know, what we talk about off air is right along the lines
of exactly what we do here on car stuff.
So I think our listeners are going to enjoy hearing your voice and, you know, not only
on this episode, but in the future.
And I'm happy to have you because it does kind of smooth out all of this.
And I've got to...
I'm talking just me right now.
So I don't know what I'm thinking, but you know, it's just a whole lot easier when you've
got someone to talk to across the table than, you know, if you're trying to do this
all yourself and keep the conversation going.
So I really appreciate you being here with me and I know you're going to grow into this
role flawlessly.
I think it's going to work out really well.
Yeah.
I'm looking forward to it.
Thanks for having me.
Oh, you're welcome.
And we have already...
Like I said, we've already recorded a few episodes of The Fast Track where you're on
air.
We're already, you know, published in everything.
So if listeners want to go over there and listen to that, it's, you know, do that.
It's The Fast Track Show.com.
And you can check out our podcast there as well.
So let's move on to today's topic.
How about that?
Sounds good.
Let's...
You know, this is interesting.
We...
In the time that we were off, you know, there's an early point when a podcast is going to
come back that they leak a little bit information out and say that and say, hey, you know, maybe
the show is going to come back in the near future and maybe drop a little bit of interest,
right?
Well, some of our previous listeners heard about that and they wrote in.
They were excited about it, which I'm super glad to hear from some of our listeners
in the past.
One of them was Josh Baker.
Now, Josh Baker is somebody who has been writing to car stuff for...
It seems like a decade now, at least, if not longer.
And Josh wrote in with this really long list of great topics that he had been thinking
about ever since we went off air back in 2017 and has some fantastic ideas.
And one of the ideas that I picked for early on here in this, in this series is to cover
the outrageous 1970s hot rides as a topic.
I thought, okay, well, that's interesting.
And I knew that there were some, you know, and I remember seeing a few and, you know,
I knew that that era was something special, I guess, for hot rides, something different,
I should say, because every era, every decade has its own kind of look and feel.
But I never really, like, dug deeply into some of the crazier 1970s hot rides.
And there are some ridiculous hot rides.
And I'll call them ridiculous.
You know, I don't mean to be disparaging to them, but I'm going to call them some funny
names here today.
And I think you probably will, too, because they're not, like, I don't want to put this.
They're ridiculous, but they're also iconic.
Yeah.
Definitely, when you look at a lot of these vehicles, you see the 70s all in the little
details of the cars.
Oh, absolutely.
The colors, the use of materials, the poultry, everything has kind of got that funky 70s
feel to it.
Oh, sure.
They're all photographed during that time.
So they're going to have models with them that exemplify that era as well.
And it's interesting because again, I think every era has its own look and feel.
And of course, you know, there were the big fins in the 1950s and then there's the 1960s
which were like very, I think there were heavily influenced by space travel and space
age and everything had a dome top and had rounded glass windows.
Sure.
They look like the spaceships on the ground, really.
And then the 1970s, we'll talk about those in just a minute.
And then of course, the 1980s had its own look in 1990s.
And you know, it just, it progresses with every decade, as you would expect.
But there were some customizers out there that just went completely off the deep end,
really.
I mean, when you look at some of these and I'll mention some names here and some of these
names are going to be familiar to you.
Some of them are not going to be familiar to you.
So there's, of course, we have to mention the big one first, George Barris.
Of course.
George Barris is a big one.
We'll talk about specifics with George Barris in just a moment.
And a couple of others as we go through this list, but I want to mention a few.
There's Chuck Miller.
There's Ray Farner.
There's Ed Big Daddy Roth who we did an entire car stuff episode on many years ago.
Dean Jeffries is another one and then there's Bob Reisner.
And then there's a guy named Bill, the lead slinger Hines, which I think is a cool nickname,
the lead slinger Hines.
And of course, you know, there's, there's many, many others.
There's so many big names that go along with these and, of course, they're all custom designs.
They're all one of a kind, typically.
There might be, you know, some situations where there was a second one made in order to
travel in a, in a show or something maybe, but really most of them were all custom made.
They were all individual, one of a kind pieces that, you know, would tour with Autorama
or, you know, some show like that or would just be simply for a magazine cover and, you
know, would get the press that they needed, get the name out there, get, you know, the,
the notoriety and, you know, the shop would get, you know, whatever kind of publicity that
it could from that, so would the manufacturer, so would suppliers that help put together
the interior or help, you know, crumb the pieces or whatever.
And that was what that was all about.
They were really trying to just get their name out there and become a popular name in this
kind of hot rod culture.
And I do want to say this.
Now you're a fan of American Graffiti, I know that, right?
Oh, yeah.
Okay, so in American Graffiti, now there's some really coolant cars, but they're fast,
too.
They're like, they're fast.
They're driven by high school kids, you know, that are like slightly modified, not slightly,
but they're modifying the cars in a way that's not like what we're talking about here
with these hot rod modification, these custom builders because these, this is another,
these are more like wacky visual pieces.
The car is a work of art, and not in the traditional sense of how older cars used to
be.
These are exaggerated wacky designs that are supposed to give you a certain emotion.
Like a example when you look at the Batmobile, the original Batmobile that bearist did,
you don't see the car that it came from, you see the, you know, you see the Batmobile
and it has a unique look to it.
And it's not like the same feeling you get when you see a 1957 Chevy or something like
that.
Exactly what I mean.
There's a difference between hot rods that are made by people in their own garage, you
know, like they're between something that someone modifies to be kind of a cool street car.
And of course, it's a hot rod, it's got chrome wheels, it's got chrome exhaust, chrome
engine, all that stuff.
And, you know, the interiors matching the exterior and paint beautiful, you know, all that.
It's one thing.
What these guys did, what, you know, the list of names that I just read and some of the
others that we'll talk about, what they did with a hot rod was something off the deep
end.
It was complete.
It's like a rolling, you said a rolling, rolling work of art, I guess that's a way
to put it.
But it, to me, and in a lot of cases, this actually happened.
But like a hot wheels car in real life, you know, like just that, that insane design that
you would never think you would see on the road, it just a one-off car, like it's just
one-of-a-kind custom design that has, you know, the look and feel that exemplifies that
era that it was built in.
And I think that these cars that we're going to discuss today, I've got a list here in
front of me.
A few of them that I've have a little bit of personal experience with, believe it or
not.
And if you can call it that, that I think it's fascinating.
And hopefully, and I say this for every episode and you'll find this curve as we go through
and record more and more of these episodes, is that I always encourage our listeners and
car stuff to investigate things further.
So let's say that, you know, you and I are talking about these hot ride show cars from
the 1970s, and we mentioned a specific one.
And I'll tell you the very first one we're going to talk about without talking about it
yet.
We're going to talk about the Red Baron car.
And the Red Baron car is something really unique and you kind of have to see it in order
to understand what we're going to talk about it.
We'll try.
You know, theater of the mind.
That's the important part here, right?
Yeah.
Well, we'll do our best, but you have to see it in order to understand.
And when we get to some of these others, and I'm laughing already because some are so
ridiculous.
Yeah.
Some are so absurd that you absolutely have to see them to understand what we're talking
about.
And I'll try.
I'll try my best to describe them.
Yeah.
I mean, some of these they put, like, lawn furniture as the seats in the car and like
toilets as the driver's seats, it's not like what you would think of as being an actual
car.
There are wheels on it.
Yeah.
But it's almost like it has different elements built into it that are interesting and that
you can look at and say, whoa, you know, that's a lawn furniture is a driver and passenger
seat.
Yeah.
That's interesting.
What are they thinking?
It's interesting.
But, you know, I'll just say it.
It's just interesting, but stupid.
It's not utilitarian.
It's not utilitarian.
No, and I don't mean to be too harsh on these because I know that, you know, looking
back, you know, you could look at these designs and say that they're gaudy and they're
garish and they're outrageous and all that.
But, you know, at the time, people kind of looked at them like, oh, that's kind of cool.
That's a funky design.
I like it.
I like that, you know, they're kind of bucking the system.
They're going their own way with this.
Yeah.
It was the feel of the time.
It was, you know, what they're doing.
And even so, I still think, I still think that guys like Barris and Big Daddy Roth and I
think they were still, of course, they were pushing the limit.
They were making things just absurd in a good way.
They were doing it on purpose to elicit that emotion from people because otherwise, who's
going to pay attention to it?
No one's going to bother to come and see your car at the auto-rama show if it's at the
auto.
I said that weird, didn't I?
If you come to the auto-rama show, I don't know how to say that now.
That's weird.
One of those words, like, I don't know where the emphasis should be on that syllable.
But if you say the, you know, you're going to have the auto-rama show in Detroit or you're
going to have it in Chicago or somewhere, how are you going to draw a crowd if you don't
have anything that's more than just like a pedestrian version of what you see your neighbor
building in this garage?
Yeah.
And what I find of these particular cars, they draw you in from afar, you say, like, whoa,
look at that thing.
And then when you get close into it, you notice other little details that are interesting
too.
Oh, sure.
Yeah.
And that's something that they really did.
They paid attention to every little tiny detail.
And that's pretty important in these.
And I don't know if we're going to really get deep, deep, deep into that.
But I do want to describe some of these cars and maybe get some people to go and look
at some photos of these cars with us as we talk about them.
And maybe we can do that in the next segment because we are going to take a break right
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We're back and you're listening to Car Stuff and I'm your host Scott Benjamin along
with Kurt.
You're here still.
I'm still here.
You've hung around.
You decided to stick around after the break.
Hang in there.
Fantastic.
Thank you.
I hope you continue to do that for the end of the show and hopefully for many shows to
come.
You enjoying this so far?
Absolutely.
Okay.
Good.
Let's see if I can push you to the limit.
No, I'm not going to throw any wrenches your way.
Okay.
I think we left off saying that we had quite a list of customizers in the 1970s.
A lot of people that were trying to make their name and they already had made their name
or were making their name in the world of customizing cars but not in a way that you
would do in your own garage.
This is something that's above and beyond that.
Something outrageous.
I've got a list here of some cars.
I told you the name of one already that it's called the Red Baron.
The Red Baron is one howt ride that we're going to talk about but there's a four or five
or maybe even six that we want to talk about.
Not so much in depth but more just like I want people to be aware of them and maybe
look at them as good examples of what the 1970s produced or what these people produced in
the 1970s maybe.
Maybe just get a little bit of your feedback on these and I will tell you this that a couple
of years ago and I don't know if I ever got to mention this on car stuff because it was
right around the time when we went off the air at the end of 2017 and it was close to
that.
I went to the Midwest on a trip, a little road trip and I went to a place called the Speedway
Motors Museum of American Speed and it's in Lincoln, Nebraska and I might have been
able to mention I think I did and now I think about it.
I think I said this is kind of a hidden gem out here in the middle of nowhere it seems
like.
I mean it's not nowhere but you know what I mean, it's unexpected where it is.
So the Speedway Motors Museum of American Speed and I guess maybe an interesting thing
that I want to mention about that museum right now is that they have two of the hot rides
that we're going to be talking about on display and we're talking about the actual ones.
The ones from the magazine covers, the ones that made the auto-rama circuit, we're talking
about the Red Baron and another one that we're going to talk about in just a moment called
the Boothill Express.
Those are both on display and the Red Baron is something that came about like many of these
cars did is Josh Baker pointed out in his letter to us, his email to us, that a lot
of these cars actually started out as models or kit cars that children could put together
on the desktop or you know adults I guess could put together on their tabletop and make
a really cool looking hot ride but they were just a toy.
You know they started out as just a toy or even you know hot wheels toy or something like
that but a lot of these started out as a model or a kit car.
In fact this one did a scale model designer by the name of Tom Daniel.
He can see the Red Baron car for a company called monogram and if you know the monogram
company they've produced a lot of fantastic car models over the years and this was happening
back in around 1967 I believe when he conceived of this whole idea and the model kit was released
in 1968 sold more than two million units.
It was an extremely popular model at the time.
So Mattel decided that they were going to jump on the bandwagon as well.
Mattel decided that they were going to build a hot wheel car of this as well.
So if you can find a Red Baron hot wheel car I think it's worth a decent amount of money
at this point.
It's kind of a collector's item.
I don't know so much about the monogram model because so many were produced but I think
if you can find one of the hot wheels cars there were something at this point.
But a guy by the name of Chuck Miller and a place called Styline I think it's called
Styline Customs.
He decided that he was going to build a full size Red Baron car which I think is a cool
idea to be able to look at a model car on the shelf and say you know what I want to
drive that for real.
I want that to be a real thing but he was going to pay $10,000 in order to build this car.
I have it built and this is back in again the late 1960s.
The original car there's a little bit of variance in this car because the original kit
car the model car came with what would be a 1914 Mercedes Benz in line 6 cylinder engine
that was from a Focker airplane.
And so obviously there's not a whole lot of those available, not a lot of them on the
market and not easy to find so what they did was they got instead they got a 1968 Pontiac
overhead cam 6 cylinder engine and that's what powers the Red Baron.
And this car if you've ever seen it it's really remarkable and it's an interesting design.
I think it's one of the cooler looking hot rides.
I think it kind of stands up to the test of time.
I think this would be a cool hot ride to see on the road today.
I don't feel like this one has like that bizarre 70 late 60s early 70s feel to it.
This one it's definitely wild.
It's definitely out there.
But there's something about this that is still like still timely, you know.
This one seems like it was maybe built in the late 60s early 70s but the design kind
of feeds off of that World War I era.
Sure, you know has the helmet and the iron cross on the side.
Yeah, spike on the top of the helmet.
It just seems like even though it was built in the 70 or late 60s late 60s early 70s.
Yeah, the design of it was conceived years before that.
Well, you know, just to show you how long this with this design did hold up and people
were still interested in seeing this thing.
It did tour the country as part of the traveling auto rama show.
It stayed with the show until the 1990s.
So it did hold up and then it was retired from service.
And that's when it went to live at the Speedway Motors Museum that I was talking about
at the Museum of American Speed.
But it's a really, really cool car.
I think if you get a chance, look it up online.
It's called the Red Baron Hot Rod.
It's probably one, you know, I would think that most people have probably already seen
this.
You might not know what it's called.
You might say, like, oh, I remember that from when I was a kid, I built that model or
I saw that Hot Wheels or I saw a magazine cover when some automotive shop or something that
had that on it.
But it was something that was around for decades.
For some reason that one held up and we're going to talk about some that do not hold
up for sure.
The next one I think is on the border, I guess, maybe.
This one, I don't know if it does or not.
It's the Boothill Express.
And again, this one lives at the same museum that I'm talking about in Lincoln, Nebraska,
the Museum of American Speed.
And it's based on, this is a really interesting one.
This is built by Ray Farner.
It's based on the 1850s funeral coach that supposedly carried an actual James gang member
named Bob Younger to his grave, which I think is pretty cool.
I mean, if this is real, I mean, I don't
I don't know the validity of that statement.
I don't know if this is, if this is the actual stage, what do you think?
Do you think there's any, any, any truth to that?
Or do you think that this is a, you know, someone pulling a fast fast?
I feel like it might, maybe a little bit of a fast one.
You do?
Yeah.
But it definitely has that look.
I mean, it looks like it could have been pulled by a horse or two.
If nothing else, it's a perfect recreation of it.
But there are many scale models that were made of, you know, of this thing, of course.
But it's probably one of the crazier creations that were ever made or developed in this
time frame as well, because it's just such a strange thing, right?
To take an 1850s funeral coach and create a hot rod out of it.
I mean, who would ever think of that?
But then again, you know, this list, who would ever think of taking, okay, I'm going
to mention one that we're not going to go too deep into here, but who would ever think
of taking an outhouse and making that into a hot rod?
Someone did.
There's one called the outhouse rod.
And the outhouse rod is exactly what you would think it is.
It looks like a Model T bucket hot rod or whatever, but it is, it looks like an outhouse
on wheels.
It's ridiculous.
You and I, we had just a brief conversation about this one in particular, and that these
aren't just your ordinary, you know, I'm going to put gold rims on something or chrome
rims on something or, you know, I'm not going to, I don't know, jack it up or lower it
or whatever.
This is a statement.
This is like somebody's personality in some way as you put it.
This is somebody's personality.
They're trying to, not force on you, but trying to tell you something with their design.
They're yelling at you with these types of designs.
A lot of people with their cars, they put subtle touches there that make you say like,
oh, that's cool.
But these are basically in your face.
This is what I'm saying.
You know, I see that.
Okay.
I see what you're saying and I get it.
And I understand what you, what you're talking about when you look at maybe like the cars
of like Ed Roth, you know, you look at some of those and those some crazy creations that
he had and they were interesting.
But like, what do you do when you've got an outhouse car?
Like, what's that personnel?
And I know you don't, I know you don't have the answer, I know you don't and I don't
either.
I don't have the answer to that.
But what is someone's personality when they are again screaming at you?
You know, here's, here's my creation, but it's an outhouse on a hot ride, Jesse.
I don't know.
It's weird.
It's just that far out mindset of the late 60s bleeding over into the 70s.
Where do you go after the 60s?
I guess so.
You know, to an outhouse hot ride.
I guess so.
You know, it's funny because, you know, I mean, to each his own, right?
I mean, it's fine.
The person wants to build it fantastic and it's an interesting looking hot.
It's interesting.
I wouldn't say it's beautiful, but that's just me.
Some people might think it's beautiful.
It's different.
It's unique.
Of course.
Yeah.
It's probably fast.
If I had to guess, it looks fast.
It's got a giant chrome engine in the front of it.
I don't know what the engine is, but it's huge.
I don't know.
These are just so fat.
Like all of them are fascinating.
One to me that I just, I don't know if I will ever, ever get this one.
And this is the next one on our list.
This is one that you absolutely have to look up in order to understand what we're talking
about.
Or you can try if you want.
If you're driving in a car, you can try to understand.
It's called the bathtub ride.
There's a couple versions of this.
There is the bathtub ride.
And then there's also another car that's called the bathtub buggy.
Now the bathtub ride was built by a guy named Rob Reisner in 1968.
So again, this is the late 60s bleeding over in the 1970s, but carried on through the
70s.
The bathtub buggy was a similar bathtub hot ride that was built by George Barris.
And Barris, I think, was also promoting the Rob Reisner car, and this is where the connection
is made here.
So he's promoting the bathtub, I'll try to keep you straight.
The bathtub ride by Reisner, and he's at the same time builds the bathtub buggy himself
as his own expression of the same thing.
Whatever that thing is.
We're getting back to, what are you doing with this car, George?
Why are you building this?
When you look at these designs, and I'll, maybe you should describe them.
Well, I'll try to.
The bathtub ride, from what I remember, you have two bath tubs at the back, that's the passenger
seats, and then a toilet for the driver's seat.
A toilet.
Kind of yellowish, a poultry in there.
So it's real just real funky.
Yeah.
And it's quilted.
Yeah.
Quilted a poultry.
Yeah.
But the seats, like, okay, so you're laying down on a bathtub in the back as like a, you
know, left and rear passenger.
It's a three-seater car, really, if you want to put it that way.
Yeah.
It has lots of gold on it.
Of course, the, you know, the driver, as you said, is sitting on a, a throne, sit on
a toilet, right, with, with lots of a poultry.
And then the engine, which is create, the engine is like a, it looks like a, it's a twin-blown
engine.
And I think it's like a big Chrysler, a big, heavy engine or something.
It's enormous.
And the exhaust pipes, of course, are something spectacular looking as well.
You know, they've, they've really done a lot of work on this, but they run the full length
of the car on both sides, you know, laid out in, in order in line, so you have to step over
them.
I don't know how you would ever get over these pipes without burning your legs.
I don't think there's any way.
You have to get, you probably have to get into and out of the car through the back, if
I had to guess.
Just, it's the most bizarre-looking thing now.
The gold rims, it's, it definitely looks like just like a, like a hot rod chassis with
a couple of bathtubs and a toilet strap to it.
Yeah.
It's, it's that easy, but I mean, it's, it's much more ornate than I'm giving it credit
for.
It's, it's, it's got a lot of, it's got a lot of things going on for it and not all
good, of course.
You know, I don't, I don't think so.
I don't think they're all good.
And I've recently seen that this car turned up at a swap meter or something or someone's
garage, maybe.
There's an article and I, I don't have it in front of me right now and, and I'll try
my best, maybe in a future episode to, to come up with this.
But somebody has found this car and it's fallen apart.
The poultry is decaying and, you know, it looks like the paint, there, there was, at some
point, paint on the side of the bathtubs.
That's kind of faded and gone away and, you know, it's just, the chrome is all tarnished
and it's, it's kind of a mess.
Someone is taking that car and they're trying to restore the car to its original glory
if you want to call it.
Yeah.
It's, that's good.
It's bathroom glory.
Yeah.
There's a lot of these.
I mean, the red bearing car is beautiful still.
Yeah.
It's just one state and museums and sure.
And, and, you know, this one, and I'll tell you that I feel like this car is, it's interesting
and it'd be cool to own something that's unique, one of a kind like this.
Is it better off in a museum or is it better off?
I mean, I don't know if there's even a better off, but is it better off like touring with
like a, a modern version of the Adorama?
Is it, is it, should it make a show circuit?
Should it be even, I don't think that it would be on car covers anymore.
It's, we just don't do this kind of thing anymore, really.
Yeah.
Maybe there's some obscure car magazine out there that would, would feature it, but not
anymore.
And that's what these were originally intended for.
There's people that will remember magazines and, yeah, and I, you know, I know they're
still there.
I mean, you go to the, you go to the bookstore, you go to even the grocery store or whatever,
you still see them on the rack.
They're still there.
Yeah.
But they're not, you know, they're not flying off the shelf.
No.
I used to.
Even, even 10 years ago.
Trust me.
I was one, I was a kid that would wait in line, not wait in line, but I guess wait for
them to put the, you know, the newest trade in times on the, on the shelf so I could,
you know, check out what, the tiny little postage stamp ads for cars or for sale, even
if I wasn't looking, because I was excited about, you know, reading that type of thing.
Yeah.
I mean, we're spoiled now.
We can go and see someone walking around all of these cars we're talking about like
camera.
You used to have to, you, when you looked at it, if you didn't go in person, you would
be looking and having to use your imagination, like what you thought, like what you thought
this car looked like on the inside based on what you can see from afar.
Sure.
I don't know.
That was kind of the cool thing about it too.
Different world.
Yeah.
Different world, man.
And maybe that's a future episode too of like how things have changed from that because
we are not going to the magazines anymore, check things out.
We're not going to the trade in times and looking at print ads where the person who's selling
a vehicle, you know, has three lines and they're using all those abbreviations, you remember
all the little abbreviations for, you know, like, you know, power steering, power, power
windows, whatever it was, they're not doing that anymore.
Now they've got as much space as they want.
They can show you 100 photos of the car if they want.
You can request specific photos sent to you of that car, you know, it's just, it's
all different.
Yeah.
I think that's a rich topic we can dig into.
Well, even with a lot of the fine tuning that we see on cars these days, didn't, it didn't
used to be like that.
Yeah.
And it might be because of that visual, like now you can get up close to it and you can
see a million pictures and videos and more exacting standards.
Just kind of like how in nostalgia, you remember all the good things, all the fans
of cars.
Remember, like, how great cars used to be and how much better they used to be than they
forget.
It's not crappy.
They were too, you know?
Yeah.
Oh, yeah.
I think back to, you know, like, and I know we're off track here for a moment, but it
will get back.
So yeah, I think you're exactly right because I remember thinking back to my first car
and it was an old Trans-Am, like a 1978 Trans-Am and it was, I mean, to be honest with you,
it was a pile of crap.
It was terrible.
Terrible car.
A lot of things wrong with it, but I loved the car and I would probably even buy
that car back again if I could just because of the nostalgia factor.
Sure.
And I know it would be ridiculous and it would be a mistake, but I look back at it and I
think that that's something that I would like to do.
And I think a lot of people have those rose-colored glasses when they look back at the past
and decide, sure, I love my 1971 Mustang back then.
Would you love it just as much now as a daily driver?
I mean, it might be a fun weekend car or something, but, you know, it's not what you
thought it was.
Yeah.
Back then, it's different.
It's different.
That's a good point.
We should really delve into some of the stuff.
There's a lot of material here that I think we can talk about in the future, so let's do
it.
But right now, you know what, let's delve back into some of these 1970s hot rods.
How about that?
Which ones next?
Just a couple more.
Let's talk about the Monster Coach.
A lot of people can, you know, remember the Monster Coach.
I think this is a pretty cool car.
Now, this is actually three Model T bodies that were put together to make a 133-inch frame,
which is about 18 feet long.
So it's a big long car.
Now, this is, of course, George Barris built.
He built the Monster Coach.
It was his idea.
And in 1964, oh, you know, this is 1964, but it does carry over through the 1970s.
The cost to build this first car was something like $18,000.
Now, it does say first car.
So I wonder what that means.
If there were other versions of the Monster Coach along the way, or if they just simply
built another one because it was a television car, they had things like blood-red, velvet
interior.
These blood-red.
They said it took 500 hours to hand form the ornate-rolled steel scrollwork that they
used in this.
Now, that's like, well, 500 hours, I mean, imagine this, okay.
So 500 hours just for the steelwork that they're doing in this car, right?
They only had 21 days to complete this whole project.
So essentially, they're rolling steel the whole time that project had gone on.
Well, somebody else is doing the rest of the stuff.
So it's got a little more power than you might think.
It was powered by a 289 Ford Cobra engine from a 66 Mustang GT.
They actually had a lot of performance parts, like a Strombard carburetor.
It had an Iske cam, racing headers from Bobby Bar.
It had a lot of performance parts that they added to this thing.
So it wasn't all just show.
It wasn't like, you know, this is just a car built for the set, the movie set, and didn't
really do anything.
This was a performer.
It was a real car.
Well, I think even when they used it in the show, it was kind of funny when they would
use it because it's like, wow, the monsters have a muscle car.
Yeah, well, you know, they would take it out to the, remember, they took it to the drag
strip.
I know they did.
And, you know, of course, Herman Munster.
And a grandpa had his own car, too, right?
Yeah.
Yeah, the Dragula.
Yeah, that's right.
Dragula.
Yeah, that was a cool car, too.
So that was a little different, though.
That wasn't like the big stage coach.
Yeah, I was a little coffin car.
Yeah.
And really cool looking, too.
There's one on the barricade right now that is, like, it looks like a wooden car.
And I don't know if that's a current project they're working on or what, but they have
a different name for that one, too, like Rattiella or something like that.
Yeah, but it's not the same thing as Dragula.
Dragula was, of course, Grandpa Munster's car.
And it had the bubble canopy like you had talked about before, right?
And you lay in a kind of a, you lay down when he drive it.
So you're a feeder and you're laying down on the coffin, yeah, essentially.
And you get your head sticking through the window.
Giant engine up front, of course, there was a lot of metal, it was just a fascinating
looking car.
It was probably pretty fast, like the Munster's coach was.
I don't have the details on what that one is powered by or anything here in front of
me.
But all of them are fascinating cars.
Now, another one that was not a barricade car is a car that was built by a guy named
Dean Jeffries.
And again, this is, again, another late 1960s car that was something that was popular throughout
the 1970s.
That's where we're included in it here.
It was the monkey mobile.
And the monkey mobile has its own little bit of history, which is pretty interesting.
I have a good feeling that this is why Josh Baker wanted to hear about this one.
I think he included this one on the list for a reason.
He's a big GTO fan.
And we, years and years, I've promised him that I'm going to do a GTO show.
And I've just never done the GTO show.
Josh, I'm so sorry.
I'm so sorry.
I know I'm using public airwaves to apologize to Josh, but I have for years told him
we were going to do a, like, an in-depth look at the GTO and we will.
You and I talk about the judge all that.
We will do that.
I'm saying it again.
We'll do that.
We'll do that at some point.
But the basis for the monkey mobile, again, the idea of Dean Jeffries, was to build a
car for this new TV show called The Monkeys.
And of course, I think everybody knows the monkeys, the band, the kind of thing.
What was the deal with them?
Were they real band or fictional band?
Because I think they were real band.
They were a real band.
Well, they were on the radio.
But did they, like, tour and everything?
Or was it made by the studio?
Do you know?
In the studio, there's albums are probably made by studio musicians.
Okay.
So they definitely were a real band.
I think they could all play.
Is this like the first boy band without the dancing?
Is that a good way to think of it?
Yeah, I mean, it's like it's made by, it's probably made by Hollywood, right?
Like they brought these guys together.
Yeah, I think.
I don't know.
Maybe it's something different.
What was that movie with a, it's not walked the line, but it's Dewey Cox is sitting there
with the Beatles in India and he says, man, I really like y'all's new album, man.
The y'all are almost as good as the monkeys.
That's pretty funny.
I think that's what the line is, a Johnny Cash film.
Yeah, but this is a walkhard or something like the lampoon of the Johnny Cash.
That's funny.
Well, I never, when I think of the monkeys, I think of the beat, like, they were kind
of like trying to feed off of the Beatles' popularity area.
The sound, yeah, sure.
The sound and the feel at the time.
You know, it's funny.
I mean, I don't ever, I've never claimed to be a music person or anybody that like really
is like into music or listens to music or anything like that.
So it's funny to have me.
Well, he's had some great songs.
Yeah, I mean, I mean, I know, I know that I just don't know enough about them to talk
about them in an educated way.
So I apologize if I've really screwed that up, but what I'm thinking is that, you know,
it just seems to me that these are like, it was like put together by Hollywood.
It almost feels, it felt a little too perfect.
And yeah, you're right by saying that.
I feel like they definitely were a fabricated group for a hand-picked, at least.
As far as being musicians, I think they could play and they could say, you know, they
could.
Yeah, sure.
Oh, they could.
Yeah, of course.
And I'm not trying to downplay any kind of talent that they might have had.
Well, in fact, a lot of groups at that time didn't play on their albums.
Good point.
A lot of the Beach Boys records were, some of the parts were done by Studio.
Oh, Kurt, you're wrecking my childhood.
Yeah.
What are you doing?
What?
They could still play shows.
I mean, I wasn't like a huge Beach Boys fan either, no, anyway, let's move on.
All right, so let's agree to this.
I need to investigate the monkeys a little bit deeper and find out some more music
histories.
Sure.
How about that?
Sure.
Okay, we'll agree with that.
All right, so here's the deal with the monkey mobile.
They were looking for a car for this new TV show called The Monkeys.
And so Dean Jeffery, who is asked to kind of design and build this car, goes to a place
called Model Products Corporation, or MPC, and he tells the CEO of that company about
this project and what he needs to do.
And then that guy told his friend, and his friend's name is Jim Wangers, W-A-N-G-E-R-S.
And this is where the GTO connection comes in, because Jim Wangers, I guess, is in development
with Pontiac Promotion and Pontiac, the auto manufacturer, or the division of General
Motors.
And they, at the time, they have just launched the GTO, and they need to really promote it.
And so this is a fantastic way for them to do that.
And they supply, so Jim Wangers supplies Model Products Corporation, or MPC, two base
model, 389, four barrel, 1966 GTO convertibles.
Pretty nice gift, huh?
They supplies those to them and says, you know, here they've got to, these have an automatic
transmission.
They convert these into your monkey mobiles for your show.
And they did so.
And of course, later MPC is given rights to also create a scale model version of this,
you know, for the show as well, promotional materials that go along with it.
And of course, they sold a pile of them.
I think they sold, you know, we said the Red Baron Kits sold two million.
The monkey mobile sold seven million, seven million kits.
And of course, you know, that type of exposure, because that was an important, oh, not an important
show, but it was a popular show, the monkeys.
The monkeys show gave Pontiac the brand recognition for the GTO that they needed in order
to sell the actual model itself, because people, they liked the car.
They thought it was pretty cool.
I mean, of course, it's a heavily modified version.
It doesn't look a whole lot like the street version, but it's still an interesting way
that they work together and, you know, able to sell the real deal and the scale model
cars.
Like how it still has GTO badge on the grill and everything, but it's exaggerated front
end of the GTO.
That's a good way to put it.
It's almost like a caricature of itself, you know?
And I think this thing didn't have like a parachute to stop it and all kinds of crazy
things.
It had some almost like, almost bat mobile-esque features to it, you know?
And so, and that they were a little bit absurd.
It was cartoony, but in real life, like even the header pipes, where they come out from
underneath the wheel wells to kind of come out in a little different angles and kind of
look a little off-kilter.
Oh, sure.
Yeah.
Well, I mean, they did the hot ride trip into it, right?
Yeah.
I mean, they just gave it.
It's kind of the once-over and made it look interesting and unique and cool, and people
could, I guess, make the connection between the actual GTO and the monkey mobile in some
way.
And of course, they made the connection between the scale model kit, which was wildly
popular, apparently.
And it sold cash even, I mean, think of what, seven million copies of those model kits
would amount to in profit for the MPC after just kind of not falling into the deal, but just
being in the right place at the right time, you know, and what a great deal.
All right.
So, anyways, that worked out real well for everybody, everybody.
The last one that I want to mention here, I think, in this segment, and then we'll have
some stuff that we'll talk about toward the end of the show here, too.
But the last thing I want to cover right now is something called the Panther Mobile.
And the Panther Mobile is another outlandish concept design.
This is a car that was built in 1969.
And it was built, again, right at the end of the 1960s, it was built by a guy named Bob
Reisner of California Show Cars.
And by another guy named Ed Newton, who went by the name of Nickname of Newt, of course.
There's a TV personality involved.
The guy's name was Dan Woods and then a couple of customizers.
It was a guy named Joe Baleon.
And then Bill, this is where the lead slinger comes in, Bill, the lead slinger hines, and another
guy named Bill Honda of all things.
I don't think there's any relation to Honda and Honda Motor Car there in that case.
This is a car that was used in the Pink Panther movie in the title sequence and the original
cartoon as well.
So I don't remember this.
I watched the Pink Panther cartoons.
Of course, watched the movies.
I don't remember this car one bit.
I don't remember anything about it.
But when I look at it, I seem to remember seeing a magazine or something like that that
included this car somewhere along the line in the past.
It's one of these, of course, it's a television car, but it has notoriety that it's almost
believe it or not, along the lines of the Batmobile, the Monkey Mobile, the Monster Coach,
all those are red Baron.
But I don't think that this one is as well-known.
I think they claim that it's as well-known, but I just don't think it is.
I don't think it's one that many people are too familiar with.
It's very angular, very, it's got a little wedge design.
Yeah.
It's a strange design.
It's very pointy.
The car almost has a sharp look to it.
I think that's different.
It's not as rounded as not as smooth as some of the other ones we've seen.
It's kind of taking the concept idea in a different direction.
Well, it's hard to tell what this car is based on, but I'm looking at it.
You wouldn't see that it uses an old-smobile chassis.
As far as I know, I don't know what parts were used for.
Of course, there is some kind of production car underneath there somewhere.
There has to be.
I don't think it was completely original.
I don't think they built the frame up or anything like that, but I will tell you this.
I'll tell you that the Panther Mobile in 1976, if you don't go with 1976, and I don't
know why they did this because it was built in 1969, but they're saying 1976.
They said it was $100,000 to build this car.
That's a significant amount over what we talked about with the Red Baron, which was $10,000
to build, which is still expensive.
If you look at $100,000 in 1976, if you were to start from the ground up and build that
car again in 2019, it would cost you nearly half a million dollars.
To be honest, I don't see it.
I don't see spent a half a million on that one.
There's a few other things that I would like to cover in just a moment, and I have some
pop culture references maybe that we can talk about and some other things that we want
to discuss, and we'll do that right after a break.
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And we're back and you're listening to car stuff and I'm your host got Benjamin along
with Kurt Garen here again, Kurt.
Still checking in.
Still hanging in there.
All right, okay, well, you know what, we're nearly through the show, Kurt, and you've held
on the whole time.
That's fantastic.
You haven't, you haven't fled the studio yet.
So maybe we can keep this going then.
That may be a couple hundred more shows.
For sure.
Yeah, I need a few.
I need to some practice.
So let's do as many as you want to do.
You know what?
If I need to stop for just a second then, I'm going to tell you something and that is, and
this is for everybody to hear, that if you go back and I've said this so many times in
the past, you go back to 2008 and you listen to the early episodes of car stuff when Ben
and I first started.
I was completely raw.
Like I had no idea what I was doing behind the mic.
It was so, it was like early, early days and it was really rough.
So I think you're doing a fantastic job and I think that our listeners are going to understand
that for your debut on car stuff, this is, you're doing a great job.
I think so anyway.
Well, thanks, Scott.
And hopefully we'll get some listeners to chime in with the same information.
Of course, Kurt's going to be refining his craft here.
I'm still working on getting back into the rhythm here.
I'm feeling a little more loose now that we've got two of us here.
One thing that I do want to bring up here is a couple more things that we wanted to talk
about and I don't know how much time we have really to spend on each one of these but
I thought that's something that I could relate to because I was fairly young.
I was born in 1971 so I was born at the start of the era that we're talking about for
all these hot rides.
And so by the time I was 10 years old and kind of really interested in this type of thing
and 8, 9, 10, go into these shows or read the magazines or whatever, these cars had already
been around for a decade.
Where I had experience with the types of cars we're talking about or cartoons of all places.
And the cars that were used in these cartoons in particular in the 1970s just make me think
of the ones that we've been talking about today.
These, most of them are Hanna Barbarra designs and productions, I guess.
They included a lot of hot ride type designs in their cars because that was kind of the
pop culture thing to do at the time and teens thought they were cool and it was just a cool
thing to do.
And that's where the studios were of course.
So there was of course the wacky races from 1968 and that was, they had about 11 cars that
were really these bizarre cars but they look, if you look at the wacky races, yeah the
wacky races cars and you can buy a poster with all of them on it now, they look a lot like
most of the cars that we've been talking about today, they're just that outlandish and
that's strange.
There was of course Speed Buggy which was in 1973, that's one I do remember and of course
the wacky races too, didn't think about this, you know Scooby Doo from 1970s.
I think everybody's familiar with Scooby Doo even now, think about the mystery machine.
That's a very 1970s custom van that there's that van trend and it has the paint job just
like it, you know that rounded flower design on the outside and the colors that they
used and it's not a typical, it's not like a production van from some company, it's
like a conglomeration of a bunch of things.
It's not one type of van, it's like a, it's a big mix of everything.
And I think that van points to the 1970s hot rods at the time of course.
There's also another, okay here's a two of them that I had never really heard of.
There's one called Wheelie in the Chopper bunch, you ever heard of that one?
I've never heard of Wheelie in the Chopper bunch but it's in 1974 and I guess Wheelie
was a Volkswagen Beetle that was red and it was actually the character, that was the
character.
It's kind of like a Herbie Love Bug, you know, it was its own character.
And the last one that I'll mention here is another one that I'd never heard of called
MotorMouse and the AutoCat, you ever heard of MotorMouse and the AutoCat?
That doesn't ring a belly.
No, I haven't either, that's strange, it's just just a strange but the way it was described
in the Soundscat of Funny, it's described as like Tom and Jerry with hot rods.
Okay.
Sounds cool.
Yeah.
Well, what kid wouldn't love watching that right?
I mean, that sounds like right along my line of interest right there.
I don't know why I never tuned in to what is it, MotorMouse and the AutoCat.
Wasn't in my market.
Yes.
I mean, since we're talking about pop culture and things that came out around when you
were a kid.
In the 80s, I remember things like the Delorean from back to the future and then the Ghostbusters
car.
Oh, yeah.
Is it Acto 1?
Yeah.
Is that the car?
Yeah.
Some of those are just seared into your memory, aren't they?
I mean, they're so memorable, they're so recognizable and you know what?
People are still building hot rods.
So we're still doing this today and it's taken a different turn, of course.
There's a lot of different looks for hot rods through the years, as we said.
Going from the 1950s to 60s and then transitioning from each decade.
And I know that a lot of what we talked about today has that overlap.
It's the late 60s all the way through the 70s and they even toured all the way into
the 90s and then went away or maybe the 80s, depending on the design and longevity of
the design itself.
The red bearing could kind of hang on, but maybe the love machine couldn't hang on
quite that long.
Or the pink panther will be all right, whatever it was.
But yeah, there's definitely a hot rod trend still happening today and I feel like you
and I could have a good conversation about hot rods now and really make something of
it.
So do you want to talk about that maybe in a future podcast?
Yeah, definitely.
There's a lot of places to go.
We kind of touched on it at the beginning, like the difference between hot rods and then these
other type of cars that are more outlandish in design.
Yeah, there's not nearly as much custom crazy chrome and electric paint work that's going
on.
I don't think that's happening nearly as much as it was in the 1970s, but I do feel like
there's still some of that going on.
There's still some builders out there that are doing some crazy design, some wacky designs.
I guess if you want to put it that way, wacky, and that's 70s term, right?
The little outlandish and kind of over the top and I feel like you and I could probably
dig up some of those and have a good conversation that people would like to listen to.
So maybe we should do that.
Sure.
I mean, even hot rodding the way that we think of it, cars of the late 50s, early 60s,
it seems like now people want to take what's left of that air and preserve it.
So now you have cars of the 70s and 80s, maybe trucks or jeeps, tacos, things like that
for a hefty price.
Sure.
You'll pay up for a lot of these, but there are some that aren't as desirable that you
can still pick up or the kind of that fly under the radar that you can still pick up
and restore and have a neat looking hot rod.
Oh, sure.
And then again, here's the other thing is that everybody's kind of got their own idea
of what a hot rod is.
And I still think that there are hot rodders out there that kind of adhere to those original
principles of what the kind of the original greaser group I guess are here or something.
Yeah.
And I say greaser.
I don't mean that in a disparaging way.
I mean, that's what they are called.
But the gassers, the people that were into street racing for real, they were in these
different car clubs.
And I think everybody's got their own idea of what hot rodding is.
What about rat rods?
We didn't even talk about that.
That's another thing that's kind of dropped off recently.
We first started car stuff.
That was a huge trend.
And we had a show about rat rods.
We saw them at shows.
We saw them everywhere.
It was just an interesting trend.
And I still think they're out there, but it seems like you just hear less and less about
them now.
It's like, there's something new.
And I don't know what the new thing is yet.
I got to kind of look into that, maybe.
Yeah.
It would be interesting to explore that, though.
Yeah.
Maybe we could get some feedback from folks about that.
Yeah.
What's hot rodding in 2019, 2020, and the next decade.
Yeah.
Yeah, exactly.
That might be interesting.
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About this episode
Dive into the outrageous world of 1970s hot rods, where creativity knew no bounds. Hosts Scott and Kurt explore iconic vehicles like the Red Baron and Boothill Express, discussing their unique designs and the eccentric customizers behind them. The episode highlights the cultural significance of these cars, their connection to pop culture, and the lasting impact they had on automotive design. With a mix of humor and nostalgia, the hosts invite listeners to appreciate the wild spirit of 70s automotive innovation.
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A toilet as a driver's seat? A car built upon a 19th century funeral coach? The late 60's, and early 70's was a far-out era for custom hot rods. Listen as Scott welcomes a new voice to CarStuff, and join them on a wacky trip into a carscape that time forgot.
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