OW S4 EP 30 Bill Goldberg

We got into a famous argument here where I chose Bert Reynolds to win in every situation over

Stallone.

Bert's bigger, Bert played ball, Bert's cars better than every car that Stallone ever had

in every movie.

I have a Drago.

The Cobra sucked.

Dude, he took a whole Kogan, Thunderlips.

He took out Thunderlips.

It's 5'5".

Well, we actually, we met you there at Road America and you arm wrestled our lead painter

and then came across, you guys were arm wrestling on a cooler.

After you destroyed him, you came across and slapped him in the face.

It's on video, dude, and he rolls over and then kicks over or somebody's like Honda

Spree.

Are you sure?

Yeah, it's all like Honda Spree.

Now that would have gone viral.

I'm Goldberg.

I got to go out as Goldberg.

Even though I'm 500 years old, I got to figure out the same stuff.

I'm not going to show up for my last match and some different stuff.

I'm not going to do it.

Right.

I don't know what about it for maybe a millisecond, but that's a cop out.

So it just pushed me to train that much harder to make sure I didn't have any cheese flopping

out of my bag.

When did you first get interested in cars?

Oh, yeah.

I mean, my dad was a Jaguar guy, take me to school in an XJS.

Brother had an XKG V12 convertible, British racing green, black interior four-speed GTXs

and chargers and freaking corn ads and they were mostly Mopar guys.

I number one followed suit, number two, I thought it was cool.

You're a Mopar guy.

I mean, there's inherently aren't like the best driving muscle cars.

How do you like that driving experience when you get into this?

That's not what your definition of driving muscle cars is.

Welcome back.

Another episode of Oil and Whiskey.

This week, the man, the myth, the legend, none other.

The only person that we've ever had, I think that goes by just his last name and

everybody knows who the fuck he is.

Goldberg, welcome to the podcast.

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It's an honor to privilege, gentlemen.

Absolutely.

I can't believe I hadn't been on beforehand, but it's good to be here.

I'm glad we could finally do this.

You've been quite busy over the past few weeks.

We had a pretty big milestone in the life, a retirement, a speech, a match, a speech

that maybe you may not get cut short, and we had the unfortunate, untimely loss of Terry

as well.

So you've had a lot going on.

Yeah, and that's just the tip of iceberg.

That's just the part that you guys in the general public know.

Everybody's got problems, and they seem to have compiled and multiplied over the past number

of weeks.

It wasn't the best month in the world, but again, it's about adapting and overcoming,

and everybody's got issues.

The legacy that Terry left behind is one thing.

It stands on its own.

There's no doubt about that, and my retirement match, that was fun.

Five months of eating like a freaking bird, that was, I'm glad that's kind of over with,

but then again, it's remorseful that the career quote-unquote is over, but when you're a wrestler,

you're never really freaking retired.

I mean, yeah, entertainer's an entertainer, regardless of the stage.

100%.

So what was the fitness regiment like getting ready for that, and how different was it

from when it was a daily thing?

Oh, it was a daily thing.

I mean, it's always a daily thing with me because I'm addicted.

I mean, I'm sitting in my garage.

I'm sitting in my office.

It's in my garage that's, you know, the top floor is a freaking 3,500-square-foot gym

that I built, you know, because I don't train at public gyms, number one.

And number two, it's convenient.

Therefore, you never have an excuse, right?

So with me, it's an addiction.

I do it all the time, whether it's on season, off season.

It's just the severity of my dedication, you know, the, you know, doing the kickboxing

and doing the just training, a completely different regiment to, you know,

put your underwear on in front of millions of people at 58 years old.

I mean, it's a whole different deal.

But I mean, I'm an athlete.

I'm a competitor and I like to hold myself to a very high standard.

And as long as that standard is, as long as I come close to that,

then I should be cool with everybody else.

So it's just me, man.

It's just what I do.

But yeah, getting ready, I had to kick it up to a different level.

And it's tough to kick it up to the level that you need to when you're 58

and you've got injuries and all kind of deficiencies.

But, you know, it's all good.

I did what I had to do and it was fun.

And I actually had a good time in there for for a little bit, you know,

how you look good.

What was the dietary regiment like?

What was the caloric intake for that getting ready for that?

Probably like 12,000 a day.

It was crazy. Wow, that's that's some eating.

Oh, yeah, man, I'm my own freaking chef.

I mean, I'm not going to discount my wife cooking, but I mean,

she cooked one of the nine meals that I made.

Yeah, it's I mean, I wake up in the morning and I have my huge breakfast

and I replicate it before I go to bed after I train.

And I try to eat every two and a half hours, three hours in between

and as much as humanly possible.

So it's a it's a it's a it's a job.

You know, it's it's not a like food.

I don't look at food as a delicacy anymore.

I don't get them, you know, I don't get super excited off of,

you know, a wonderful restaurant compared to how I used to because

it's just fuel. It's just fuel.

You know, what was that?

What was staying on the fitness and the dietary stuff?

What was it like?

Football, prime SEC, Georgia Bulldogs, eating and fitness

and then NFL and then also into pro wrestling.

Did that stay the same or did you have to tweak things along the way?

I had to tweak things, but I mean, you know, playing in Georgia,

it didn't matter what the hell I mean, I'm so young and it didn't matter.

I can see freaking anything and everything.

I didn't get fat.

I've always been a guy that had to eat a lot to gain weight.

I've always been light, you know, compared to my, you know, peers.

The guys that do what I do, the football realm as a defensive lineman.

I wasn't that big, but so I've always had the job of having to eat.

But, you know, it's so good. I like food and it's it's good.

It's been it's it's different.

It's I wouldn't say that it's much different from football

to wrestling to whatever else I'm doing

because I still am the same guy walking around and doing all of them.

I don't really change myself for any of it.

So it I mean, I don't know.

I mean, there's a certain amount of of angst

you get, no matter what you're doing,

if you're doing it in front of millions of people

and you're wearing your underwear, right?

So I mean, you know, that that just adds a little different incentive to it.

So there are contract negotiations at the beginning

on that and what your uniform was going to be.

You know, I'll be honest with you, I didn't give a shit one way or another.

It didn't matter. I never thought about changing.

I never I'm Goldberg.

I got to go out as Goldberg, even though I'm 500 years old.

I got to I'm not going to show up for my last match

and some different stuff. I'm not going to do it.

Right. I mean, I thought about it for maybe a millisecond,

but that's a cop out.

So it just pushed me to train that much harder

to make sure I didn't have any cheese flopping out of my bag.

So I mean, it's it's true, though, but I worked my ass off

and and I enjoyed it and learned a little bit along the way.

And, you know, it was interesting before we go down into wrestling path

and eventually cars and stuff, which is, you know, kind of the point.

But I want to go into a little bit of football stuff

because I got I got some questions and you're from Oklahoma, right?

Born and raised in Oklahoma.

And why in that time, this is what late 80s, early 90s, right?

Why Georgia over Oklahoma?

Why Georgia, most importantly, over Alabama, especially in those times?

Right. And two older brothers who played in the

played division one and one went on and played for a little bit.

The NFL and they both went to University of Minnesota.

Completely different story line

than, you know, growing up and playing at your home school, right?

Norman, we grow.

I grew up in Tulsa.

So Norman is, I don't know, an hour and a half, two hours away from Tulsa.

It's not the I mean, I was a huge football fan, but.

I didn't have the and I grew up in Oklahoma, but I didn't have the allegiance,

I guess, that most kids growing up in Oklahoma being football fans.

But I mean, for one reason or another, maybe because of my brothers.

When my brothers are much older than I am,

they're 70 in the 70s now.

And when I was a kid, all I knew was University of Minnesota football.

And so I really didn't have the passion for Oklahoma when I was growing up.

So that and in ninth grade, my great uncle, we had,

we were at a family reunion and my great uncle pulled me aside

and asked me where I was going to go play football in college.

And I told him I really didn't know.

And he said that he wanted me to go to Alabama

because one of his best friends was the coach.

And then his best friend, unfortunately, passed away before I became a senior.

And his his other best friend was Vince Dooley.

And he said, you're going to Georgia.

And I'm like, OK, but what I'm going where?

I mean, I've never even been there.

And so I took a trip there and then I called him and I said,

I'm going to Georgia.

And it was it was awesome.

I mean, I could have gone just about anywhere.

And the trip that I had in Georgia and the experience that ultimately

I had after five years of being there was, I mean, I don't know how you can top that.

But it was it was it was an unbelievable time.

But I didn't I remember having Switzer on the on the couch, you know,

in our house and Jimmy Johnson when he was at Oklahoma State.

I can't remember the coach for Arkansas at the time.

And, you know, all the all the schools that were surrounding states

wouldn't offer that was from Missouri.

And but Georgia was kind of a fluke because I was old home again.

But there was a reason behind it.

Now you guys know.

Well, in that time, if you couldn't have played for for Bear,

I mean, Vince Dooley is his who'll go down in history.

I was a great family, great man, great dynasty legacy.

I mean, he's as close to the bear as you would get.

Well, I'm extremely happy to hear you say that because he was like a second father to me.

And you you just described him to a T.

And he was one unbelievable human being.

Father, husband, coach, all of the above.

He was a wonderful guy, just absolutely wonderful.

Other than the fact that one time he thought that I was running drugs.

It turns out you weren't.

You got to keep it.

It was the strangest accusation I've ever had in my entire life.

I came out of a completely left field because one of my my oldest brother lives

in Miami and he has been extremely successful in his life.

And he from time to time would send me on a private plane.

Or I just I'd go to Miami a lot when I was at Georgia.

And he came to every game.

And.

Dooley thought he put to, I don't know,

it was the strangest thing I've ever heard of.

Like, brother lives down there, dude.

I go there every freaking week and it's the weirdest thing.

But Miami and private jets and all that.

It's got to be in that era.

I mean, it has to be only be one thing.

It's got a little cocky feel to it.

Yeah, it's got a little like a white testarosa in there.

And usually you got it all going on.

Well, I was I've never met the Dooley's,

but I grew up in Alabama most of my formidable years there.

And I grew up.

I mean, obviously my grandparents rabid Alabama fans and turned down.

Well, in that time of growing up,

I lived and died by sports radio, particularly Paul Feinbaum show, right?

So live Paul Feinbaum's radio show there for several years.

Vince Dooley's wife was a regular caller.

So they had a segment with Vince's wife every single day and call in.

It was like a 30 minute long deal with Paul.

And I got Paul's obviously a huge Vince Dooley fan.

And you just you've got to know via a radio show,

basically the family and the stories and so like that.

And it just always, even though they were Georgia, I'm Alabama.

You just one of those ones.

It's kind of the way we feel about Dabbo Sweeney.

You know, I'm not a Clemson fan, but Dabbo's got some Alabama ties

like Dabbo's a good guy, you know.

And it's just it's weird how you from a college football fan.

I wouldn't go that far, but now.

Yeah, Dooley was awesome.

And truth be told, my brother, my son was committed to he was going to commit

to Alabama before he committed to to Colorado.

The Saban thing kind of changed stuff.

Well, yeah, there was the same day he was going to commit.

Literally, it was hours after he left the house, told me he was commit.

And so I'm like, you've got to be kidding me.

But, you know, it saved us a lot of time.

It's a heartache, you know, who knows?

Everything happens for a reason, everything.

But I can tell you that after we went to his camp and he met Gage and we all

talked that yeah, he was I knew he was his days were numbered in the

college football coaching.

Just you could just feel it.

Thousand percent.

He was already fed up with what was about to happen.

That takes us to, I mean, current, but also past.

So your son, Gage, seen some social media pictures.

He's he's got a couple inches on you, doesn't he?

No, he's he's no.

It's the way the angle was.

I'm right.

Three is what six one now.

But he we're about the same height, I guess.

I don't know.

The kids, they, I don't know.

But he's going to Colorado.

He's playing for Coach Prime in.

I want I want to hear some some Dion Prime stories.

It's very interesting that you played with Dion and now your son's going to

play for Coach Prime.

I don't seem like the guy that would hang with Dion.

No, I did.

I was a I was a huge I'm a huge Dallas Cowboys fan.

So you love him at one point and you hate him.

I loved him when he beat the shit out of Andre Ryzen.

That was that was a fucking awesome time.

And then Andre Ryzen played on the yeah, and I played with yeah.

Andre had that was the strangest thing I've ever seen his girlfriend

burned down his house.

Then two days later, he invites her to the Christmas party.

Oh, really?

Yeah, I never understood that.

That was awkward.

If she was what from TLC, right?

Is that Lisa?

The left eye Lopez?

The left eye Lopez.

I got those were the day.

So how is how different is Dion now as a coach and a father than when it was

prime time?

Well, I mean, he's the same person, but he's a completely different part.

He's a different person at a different part of his life, right?

Or he's the same person at a different part of his life.

He I mean, I'll be perfectly honest with you.

I don't deal with him during the season off season.

When I go to practice and I'll mess with him every once in a while.

But when he's in that coaching setting, I don't I don't dare get near him.

I wouldn't want to deal with all the people.

I mean, you can deal with enough people as it is.

You don't want me coming up talking because my son plays on your team

and we used to hang, you know, I mean, at some point when he's done

or when it's away from a coaching setting, then and the conversation won't

be skewed by my son being, you know, a player on his team.

Yeah, I will talk again differently.

But I just I feel as though I have to give him a lot of space and he deserves it.

And whether he deserves it, that's how I feel.

It's I'm not that parent that's down his throat going, hey, man,

you know what, my son should be freaking playing.

Yeah, that's the best way to do it.

You get fills on a different level, dealing with.

Kids baseball and we get to hear all the stories

about the overzealous parents on the. Oh, I did that.

Yeah, baseball is the worst thing in the world, especially in tech.

The wild expectations and disconnect from reality of how bad your kid is.

Is that what it is?

In 3200 bucks for the summer league to have your kid be that good.

Really? Yeah, we got a solid team playing a lot of the opposing teams

and hearing the parents go crazy and yelling at umps and it's it's nuts.

You look back like kids 11, like he's not going to go pro.

This is supposed to be fun still at this age.

Yeah, we hear everything, you know, we've all been.

Guilty of being overzealous at times.

But I mean, my God, some of these people, man, it's just they need to chill.

They live vicariously through their kids, either that or they're trying to.

I don't know. There's so many different reasons for people.

Don't have any sense anymore.

So we.

Oh, one more question on your son and we'll get back to it as I I mean,

he's a big dude, right? And he's going play D1.

What is 20?

That kid bends to 25 24 times.

Well, that's what that's where I'm going with.

Like, that's moving.

You still got you still got old man, dad strength, right?

But there's there's it comes to time like it's it's like you got to show.

You're can he take you yet?

No.

That was quick.

But he thinks he can.

And that's all that matters first and foremost.

But secondly, he's always got the respect for me that even when he can, he won't.

I hope I hope it's great.

It's coming really soon.

You know, he might hold a vendetta and wait till, you know,

you crack in like late seventies or eighties.

Just a lot of things I have never taught.

He won't learn, I don't think willingly.

So I want to go through a little bit of mental headspace

time in career wise.

This is not a comparison whatsoever, but we had we had Brennan Chabon

and we became, you know, pretty close friends.

And there's some stuff that really wanted to know he's got a very interesting take

because of how many things that he's gone through that just didn't work out,

not work out, so to speak, in, you know, I guess the public size,

but work out in what goals he set for himself.

And I'm really interested in goals you set for yourself being football.

I mean, one, if you go to play D one, if you're going to play for

the University of Georgia, you're thinking about going to play

for the University of Georgia and being the best that there is.

And then what comes after that?

You're not thinking about career.

You're thinking about being the best college football player.

I would just have to assume.

And what take us through the heads?

There's some changes in life.

I'm very interested in the mental side of things.

Oh, I mean, you know, this has become more apparent the older I get,

because now I'm a teacher instead of a pupil.

But I apply the same shit to the same to every fricking thing I do.

I try to be the best at everything I do.

And there's no reason to put any effort towards anything

unless you want to be the best at it.

So whether I've been a television host, whether I've worked on cars,

whether I've been a husband, whether I've played D one football,

whether I played for the Falcons, whether I wrestled,

whether I've been an actor, I've tried to be the best at all of them.

Now, granted, I've tried harder at others than others

because of my passion or lack thereof.

But, you know, I don't think anyone should be doing anything

that they're not trying to be the best at.

If you are, then you're a sheep and you're a waste, I believe.

But, but again, someone always told someone told me

that there's always got to be people's slice of meat.

Right. But I'm not that guy.

He'd be a damn good meat slicer, though, to your point.

If that's what you're going to do, do it the fucking best.

Right.

A thousand percent, you know, like my son, if he goes on and plays

at first, he's got to hit the fricking field.

He's he's I think he's got one tackle last year, you know,

when he registered, but for, you know, you have to set your goals.

First, they have to be realistically.

They have to be realistically placed.

And, you know, you have to be got to be driven, man.

You got to be you got to be logical about your path.

And at the end of the day, if he goes any further in football,

I'll be as proud if he doesn't go any further in football,

I'll be as proud of him as if he was a 10 year old pro.

It doesn't matter because the work ethic that he's

that he possesses, the man that he's become,

the manners that he possesses, the fact that he's on the honor roll

the dean's list, excuse me, in college, it's a dean's list, not an honor roll.

But, you know, I mean, the kids don't really well for himself.

And social media wise, he's going out on his own doing his thing

and he's not on daddy's back, you know,

piggybacking on anything and he wants to do it all on his own.

And he's a wonderful kid.

I mean, even if he wasn't my kid, I would say the same thing about him

because he's he's just great.

And, you know, it's.

I don't know, man.

It's a it's a it's a different world we live in now.

Right. It is.

It's a just especially, you know, college football landscapes

a completely different world now.

It's oh, I don't need to please dear God, don't get me started on that.

The portal, the portal is worse than the NIL is needed.

But the portal is absolutely sinful.

It's I mean, it's.

Yeah, no commitment.

No, no commitment.

And how can you have, you know, cohesiveness on a team

when every year it's a rollover on your roster?

Yeah, it's it's interesting from a if you apply it to a business standpoint

of employees, employer relationship, right?

And training and buy in and the system.

And when you have other schools, you know, potentially it's like

everybody's going to leave because they think the grass is greener.

And I wonder back about, you know, days you think about,

you know, Vince Dooley days in Georgia, Georgia, Georgia, two days.

I'm sure we're not.

The most conducive to your to your little soul, your little spirit, right?

And the the interpurses, you don't know shit about anything

when it comes to what you have to sacrifice to be a member of a football

team at a major college school back in the eighties.

They had to talk to you a little different.

I'm sorry, you know, but they don't know jack shit about it.

But just think if the if the you know, there was always that

I mean, everybody wanted to die, I'm sure, at that point.

But there was also the like, well, you know, if I'm if I'm going to quit,

like I'm looking at a year and a half of start over and trying to find another place.

If any of those times nowadays, like it's just like, oh, it's hot today.

I don't this fuck this. I can't I'm tired of this weather.

I'm tired of this coach. I'm tired of this going to Minnesota.

I'll be at it. I'll be at a new school tomorrow playing like that.

It's too easy for me and you don't have to sit out.

Yeah, it's ridiculous.

The whole fucking world's gone soft, dude.

Well, that's not that's a whole other conversation.

But yeah, it's the football thing.

And there's no such thing as a student athlete anymore, you know,

which I think is the biggest thing, not just because I have a kid this 19.

But, you know, these younger kids, they don't have a pot.

They don't have a chance in hell compared to these seniors

that are transferred from school to school starting, right?

And I get it.

I would be doing the same thing.

Maybe if I was in their shoes, I'd try to prosper and try to feed off

of, you know, what's available to me.

But at the end of the day, it's it's not fair for these kids, man.

It sucks in the on the football side when you were playing.

I mean, you were you defensive tackle.

You come out, I mean, that position by nature is

I'm going to I'm going to knock somebody's head off, right?

I'm going to I'm going to I'm going to pancake some guys.

I'm going to get to the quarterback and I'm going to make him

scared the next snap.

Are you is that a are you team like team, team, team?

Are you I'm just going to do as long as I do what I'm going to do

and everybody else does what they're going to do then as a team?

Not that one's better than the other, but there's different

mentalities in that of like.

Team or me.

Well, I mean, when I played at Georgia, we had the shirts

that were famously said big team little me on it, right?

And so, yeah, I'm always a team player, always.

No matter what, you're only as good as your weakest link.

Number one, number two, I like the team atmosphere.

I don't I don't like doing shit on my own.

Oh, I like playing a role.

I like leading people.

I like I like the camaraderie ship.

I like all of that kind of stuff, man.

No doubt the team concept is fantastic.

I mean, you guys got it right there in your podcast.

How does that?

How does how do you transition that into pro wrestling

when you're selling your brand?

It's tough. You can't.

So that's that's one reason why it was difficult

because you have to be selfish in a way.

But then you can't be too selfish and then you can't, you know, be

the introvert and not, you know, there's a lot of things

that play into it, but it was difficult for sure.

No doubt, especially since I am that team guy.

Yeah, I get asked like I got a lot of questions for Goldberg,

but you're you're talking about like pancake guys,

and you got all these techniques and things.

Was that is that how you played?

No, I just know the football.

Is that how you played Madden on N64?

Was that your techniques?

I know the game.

OK, I know the game.

I know the game. I know the sports guy.

Yeah, I was trying to not get pancaked.

OK, yeah, got it.

But moving into the wrestling stuff, man, I'm not a sport.

Like I and I respect the holiday or your career

and that you played pro. I'm just not a sports guy.

Football is the I know which one it is.

There's the round ones and there's the long ones and all that.

But, you know, at five, five hundred and fifty pounds,

I'm not exactly built for that type of shit.

But I was a fucking huge Goldberg wrestling fan, man,

like a little bit like fanboying at the moment.

Because when you hit the scene there, that was like,

and when did you start?

Because I was I must have been a teenager,

but you coming out and spearing the shit out of guys

was like the most electrifying thing I'd ever seen.

It's like 97 is when I started in November

when I had my first match, televised match.

And, you know, you asked me a minute ago

about having dreams and about accomplishing goals.

Yeah, I mean, I my goal was play in the NFL.

I got the ability to do that for a short period of time.

And then I had to figure out what the fudge

I was going to do with the rest of my life,

you know, when my dream got taken away

and the wrestling for 50 different reasons was an option.

And, you know, I found what I was looking for

in the football world and the wrestling world

as far as being, you know,

somebody that people could look up to

and, you know, just being that guy, you know,

I had to use a different vehicle to get what I wanted.

I was lucky enough to have an opportunity

to have two different options in a lifetime.

So I couldn't pass up the second one.

And I'm very appreciative of the opportunity

to have even been given that.

So how do you get into the wrestling?

Thank you very much, man.

How did you get into the wrestling from football?

Do you have connections or is that something you wanted to do?

How did it get presented out of the the idea get started?

I had a roommate at the Rams called named Kevin Green

who did the best Kolkhoge impression.

And he'd do it in practice.

So we were roommates and he always told me

that I'd be good at wrestling and I should do it.

And at University of Minnesota, back in the day,

my in the late sixties,

my brother had a house with with flair in Minnesota.

That must have been a while.

My other brother had a house with Ken Pitera in Minnesota.

So, I mean, there's always been ties there.

I've always been around it.

Living in Atlanta, playing for Georgia.

I'd go out all the frickin bars, you know,

at the late in the early nineties in Georgia, late eighties.

Yeah, late eighties and middle eighties and late eighties.

And you see everybody in Georgia.

Atlanta was the place to be. I mean, I have a.

I was in north of Atlanta in ninety.

Four ninety five ninety six and my buddy Corey,

you've heard all this Corey story.

So Corey lived in Shambly, which is a stone's throw

Buford Highway, right?

And that's where main event was.

So and I remember him telling me stories.

And his dad was always jacked and lifted and slight that was,

you know, old country boy and would tell stories about,

oh, you know, that like, you know, stings down there.

That stings place, you know, and that's all the rest was.

We remember going there at like 14 and 15 years old,

not to work out.

We would like hang out in the parking lot to see all the rest of us.

And it's like, they're there.

You're like getting in their cars.

So that was a that was a little secret little place of there are some

stories come out of that little gym.

Yeah, because I trained there when I was when I played for the Falcons.

Oh, wow.

And that's when I really crossed paths with him.

And I almost got in a fight with Bagwell and the whole Buf Bagwell.

One day I was working out in there and.

I thought they were making fun of me.

And I know it's a it's a famous story, but I wanted to kill all three of them.

I was about 300 at the time off season at the Falcons.

It was a different experience, different time in my life.

But they didn't appreciate the fact that I bent their bars

when I did shrugs in there.

You generally don't like mention that to the guy that just bent the bar

doing shrugs like, right?

That's because you're moving some fucking weight.

I don't I wouldn't think that there's anybody in there

that's willing to just back down.

I think there's a lot of there's a lot of testosterone flowing back.

Then those days.

Yeah. Yeah, you had a bunch of different guys in there.

Natural and unnatural testosterone, but it's regardless.

It takes whatever it takes.

It was a crazy time. Good God.

Back in those days was nuts.

That's where when did the car thing?

I mean, when did you first get interested in cars?

The amount of stuff that you've got in your interest

that couldn't have came at a late age.

It had to be an early thing.

Oh, yeah. I mean, my dad was a Jaguar guy.

And my brothers used to take his stuff out all the time

and hot rod it and bring it back and fix it up before they came back.

And so they became inherent mechanics and they became car guys.

And obviously I had to just follow suit.

I mean, my dad used to take me to school in an XJS, you know,

brown fricking Jag, you know, and brother had an XKE V12 convertible,

British racing, green, black interior, four speed.

My my buddy's older brothers, when I was in grade school,

you know, drove around and GTXs and chargers and fricking Corinettes

and, you know, everything, they were mostly Mopar guys.

And so, I mean, I number one followed suit.

Number two, I thought it was cool.

My first car was a 76 Trans-Am, and I haven't stopped ever since, man.

And I was lucky enough to get to a point in my life where I could,

you know, purchase my first car.

I really am appreciative of that opportunity and I don't take it lightly.

And they mean a lot to me.

Every car has got a story.

You guys know that, and I've got a small little place here in California.

Thank God it's not in California, in Texas.

And, you know, it's something that I dreamed up and took four years

to build there in COVID and got, you know, a number of cars here.

And, you know, you always want to have more and you're always working

on different things.

And, you know, I got two buddies behind these walls working on my Cobra

right now. I just jumped off of it.

So I'm just enjoying it, man.

And it started really early, you know, started ever since I remember.

My dad used to go 150 in his Jag.

We used to go to the lake and he used to tell me that he was

cleaning out of the spark plugs and, you know, he never forget stories like that.

Just cleaning them out, cleaning them out.

Did the car, did the cars ever live as a goal with your professional

career that you were into cars?

Obviously, no, they're not cheap.

Did you push yourself or was there a like, did you have your eye on that?

That's a thousand percent.

We all have our eye on certain things, right?

And if you have that checklist on the board, like a car, like you're

working on your car, right?

And you're you're marking off the fricking ignition box

and the coil and the fricking plug wires or whatever.

You're marking everything off.

And yeah, I mean, that's that's yeah, that's part of the part

of the reason why I work my ass off.

To enjoy the things that the finer things in life, and that's the ability

to have all the cool cars that I thought were cool when I was a kid

and replicate that now and update them and do different things with them.

And yeah, a hundred percent.

That's that's a huge driving force of mine.

What was the first purchase or the first check off?

Like you get finally get a little bit of money and you're like,

I'm going to go splurge and buy this vehicle.

What was it?

Money was a 360 Ferrari, my brother's a Ferrari collector

and he doesn't have a 360, but I wanted a I wanted a DB DB nine.

I think it was DB set.

I don't know what which one was out.

Yeah. Yeah.

But I was way too big for it.

And I wanted a Porsche, but I didn't really.

I really wanted a Ferrari.

And at the time, the 360 had just come out and it was surprisingly huge.

It was just like a big go car.

And I went down to Beverly Hills and it was the first Ferrari ever bought

and first time I made a purchase like that.

And it was cool, man.

It was awesome.

The problem was that I expressed a lot of interest

in a twin turbo course that they had there at the same time.

And it was a toss up between the two and unbeknownst to me,

two weeks later, the Porsche shows up on a flatbed in my house in San Diego.

And the manager wanted me to just drive it for a couple of weeks.

He knew what he was doing.

The salesman right there.

He knew what he was doing and I bought it.

That's the car I traded to Jesse James a long time ago.

But yeah, yeah, that was the first one.

First one I did like that, you know, then I bought the Yankee,

the Yankee Camaro, then you know, you buy the Lawman.

I mean, there's there's different kind of goals that you reach, right?

And fortunately, I mean, I bought, you know, the transit,

the SCCA, Trans-Am 70 and a half, the Z-28, the Trans-Am car.

It's a good looking car.

It's a great looking car, man.

But they're all they're all cool as shit

because they all have stories behind them.

That car, so I'm in Japan wrestling.

And Bob Johnson, you guys have to know Bob Johnson.

So Bob, we know Bob.

Bob got me into it like back in the day.

Bob, Bob took me to Barrett Jackson for the first time.

Oh, it's dangerous.

You can have a whole podcast on Bob's stories.

You can have a whole year of podcast.

But long story short, I'm wrestling in Japan.

Bob is at Barrett Jackson.

There's a 68 Yanko RS SS Grotto Blue that's at that's at Barrett.

And I sent him there basically on my behalf to get that car

because I had looked at it already and I just was going to be in Japan at the time.

And so very long story short again, three o'clock in the morning,

he calls my agent up, agent calls me.

I'm I run up to my agent's room because he's on the phone with with Bob

and Bob got me the car.

And as we were on the phone, the lawman comes up on stage.

And I guess when they started it, they blew all the plants off the stage.

I'm told me about it.

And he goes and I said, well, what car is it?

And he goes, it's the lawman.

And before he even finished, I said, buy it because I knew the story on that car.

Yeah. And not many people did.

And he got it.

And then the car after that was the frickin Z28.

And so I got a three for on a roll on a roll.

But what's so cool about the Z28 was that, you know, I'd live 15 minutes

from Ernie Elliott and Bill Elliott's shop in Dawsonville.

And they restored that car the last three years at their shop

for I can't remember his name.

He was third in command at Barrett.

Gary Bennett. Oh, yeah.

So that car was Gary's car.

And so he sent it there to restore it.

And it was there for three years.

I used to take a 70 national record holder

challenger down their drag strip all the time.

And I'd see of them restoring this car.

I never thought that I'd buy it.

I never really looked at it.

And then here it is, the third car on stage.

And so I bought it.

I paid less than they did to restore the damn car.

So that's wild.

Every time I hear that somebody mentioned Bob Johnson's name,

I just hear that voice.

And I hear that.

Oh, Bob, we just saw Bob a couple of weeks ago.

We were in Columbus.

He taught me a lot about the business.

I got it. I got to tell you, Bob.

I mean, man, he taught me a lot about the business.

Everything about the business in the beginning, he was my mentor.

Yeah, good, dude.

Yeah, he'd teach you a lot about life.

Everything he'll teach you about anything you want to know.

Just ask him, he'll teach you.

100 percent.

Oh, man.

The the law man, that's a crazy.

That's a crazy story about those cars.

They did what, six of them?

Or no, the law man's the boss.

Four, two, nine.

They did two of them.

They did like six or eight of the mock ones.

OK, were the cars that, you know,

the servicemen and women would drive on the courses.

But the the the four two nines were the

one was in the one was left in the states and one went on the tour.

And they were the parade vehicle, right?

So one was the press vehicle in the states.

And the other was the one that basically,

you know, like the VA, the guys in the VA

who couldn't take part in the the the tour itself.

They could at least go to the fucking wall

and look out the window and see this boss.

Four, two, nine, just ripping down the tarmac, right?

So it gave them a little bit of the red, white and blue that they needed.

And funny story, I mean, and.

I just learned of it a little while ago.

But when they when that first car was crushed,

so there were two of the four two nines,

the first car was crushed on the USS Coral Sea.

They dropped the cargo container on top. Oh, wow.

And so I've got the only one left.

And when it was crushed, they sent

orders back to the states for the second one.

Well, the second one wasn't built.

And the rumor is through.

Very reliable sources that will come out on my TV shows.

Come comes out on Paramount Plus here.

It's called Carlectables here soon. Oh, sweet.

And.

Oh, Dennis Collins

was the owner of that car before I had it

is the one that told me the story.

But when they sent orders back to the states

for the second law, man, it wasn't.

There wasn't a second law, man.

It wasn't put together.

And they only had 72 hours to get it done.

And evidently.

Evidently, there was a car that was donated

with the serial number 429 and that car was owned by Carol Shelby.

And that's the car that's sitting about 50 feet away from me.

Damn, that's wild.

So, yeah, I mean, that that was that was the best part of my television series.

And I think back on it is just that information itself, you know,

because that's just I mean, the legacy in and of itself is pretty freaking cool.

But to know that that Carol had something to do with that,

you know, I mean, that's that's pretty sweet.

Tell us about the show. What's the show going to be about?

Oh, man, it's, you know, I built this

monstrosity of a garage 15,000 square feet over a four year period of time.

And I've got it's it's pretty bare, right?

And so originally, the show was me going out

and and looking for items that I can trade for to hang in my garage,

whether it's a twenty thousand dollar neon sign.

Or, you know, you look and look behind you.

Cool car guy stuff. Yeah.

Yeah. And it evolved into me hitting my cars out for other cars.

So at this time of my life,

I'm making sure that everything in my garage is usable.

Everything can be taken off a lift within five minutes.

Everything is very accessible, because I've been I've had places

in the past where it took me 20 minutes to get to a car.

And it's just you don't it's a pain in the ass.

So you never drive that car.

And so everything that I have now, I want it to be a manual.

And no matter how cool the things that I have other than the law man,

no matter how cool it is, I'm swapped.

I swapped it out on this TV show for for manual transmission vehicles.

So a little spoiler, I traded a 70

Coronet RT six pack car numbers match and one of 18 triple black

for a sixty four and a half convertible

Corvette four speed three twenty seven car

always wanted one, you know, so

and it gave me the opportunity to go drive, go do some cool stuff

that that I haven't done before, whether it's I went to

to DSR and put a DSR 1200 together that's going in my 70

Coronet and traded them out something for that motor, right?

So it was a cool deal.

It was a lot of fun, a lot of fun, I got to say.

When's that drop in that sounds like something something I'd be interested in checking out

should be within the month.

Man, CBS is going to start pumping it out there.

And it's a paramount plus thing and sweet.

And I'm looking forward to it, man.

We I got to drive with the with Hennessy in that F five.

And my neighbor picked me up in his helicopter on my driveway.

It was hilarious.

And one of the deer came out and tried to attack the helicopter.

Things that could happen here in Texas, but it was fun, man.

It was basically at the end of the day, it's just me and cars

and the cool people that I met along the way.

And whether it's a roadkill nights up there doing the burnout contest

and Radford's, you know, demon 170 or whatever the hell it was, man.

I went to I went to Alabama at the at the

ATF for a demonstration down there.

My buddy, Matt Kutcher, demonstrated a big demonstration,

an explosive demonstration for them.

And that was cool.

I get to blow some cars up and, you know, just the fun stuff

that we like to do. That's awesome.

You've been you've been synonymous with with car entertainment,

car television for for quite a while.

I remember even back in the day when the when the first season,

the first episode of the Optima Ultimate Streetcar Challenge

when that launched, I was actually in Hollywood at the theater

when they did the launch.

Yeah, for that first deal, you were there.

I think it gave you a roll tide and ran away quickly

or something like that.

I don't remember his spirit is great.

But yeah, it was a series, man.

That was a lot of fun.

I got a 70 tram out of that.

I bought a car.

I was bitten on a car.

I was doing the longest yard.

Oh, yeah.

I drive up from San Diego to L.A.

Every morning and I drive back.

And then one morning I drove up and before I left,

I put a bid on a 70 trans and blue, white guts,

you know, white stripe down the middle,

non-numbered, non-matching car.

And I got back one day and I freaking won the car.

And long story short, again, I got all the sponsors

to jump on board at Optima.

And then we built the car for Wanda, my wife,

who's a stuntwoman, and she drove in it.

It was fun, man.

It was just a great experience.

It's awesome.

A fun fact about the Optima Streetcar Challenge

that we actually we met you there at Road America

and you arm wrestled our lead painter

and then came across.

You guys were armwrestling on a cooler.

After you destroyed him, you came across

and slapped him in the face.

It's on video.

And he he rolls over and then kicks over

or somebody's like Honda Spree.

Are you serious?

It's all like this.

Now that would have gone viral.

We kept it for us somewhere.

I got to find it.

Oh, that's awesome.

It was armwrestling.

I apologize.

Slap him.

They just came across like that.

Who was it?

Big Mike.

Oh, he was like our big guy.

You know, big Mike, small Mike.

Next.

Oh, man.

Are you playing any of the pro touring stuff?

Are you sticking more original numbers matching rare cars?

What's your garage?

And I'm I'm putting to get so in the show.

I so I'm giving away a lot of shit.

But a warman.

So Mark Warman, I picked up the phone called Warman.

I traded him a 68 GTX 440 four speed numbers

matching car, not restored

for a 70 Corvette body, right?

And the Corvette body is up in Wisconsin now

where it met with the Salvaggio chassis

and it's waiting for the DSR 1200 that I put together

on an earlier episode of the show

and then Tremac did their thing

and then it's all coming together up at Salvaggio's place.

So and then I built a 68 M715 on a TRX frame

for a Magnaflow booth, hopefully.

That'll be fun.

You know how that is.

Trying to get a car ready for anything,

especially Seema's like fricking pulling teeth

out of an alligator.

It's coming up, man.

Hey, but like,

Oh, it's not on top.

Don't be that guy.

It's not got the email today.

It's coming up.

Yeah.

It's right around the corner.

I don't even want to think about it.

We've still got a whole booth design

and like nine cars and there's a lot of stuff.

Are we going?

Oh yeah, I can only imagine what you guys have to do.

So I'm not complaining.

The only year that we've never been behind

was the COVID year when they canceled it.

It's the only year that we've never been.

But we were behind right up until the end.

You still have to pay for it.

Yeah.

How's that stack up?

You talk about driving your muscle cars

and you're a Mopar guy.

Mopars inherently aren't like

the best driving muscle cars.

How do you like that driving experience when you do this?

It depends on what your definition of driving muscle car is.

You have to be comfortable in a car first and foremost, right?

Yeah.

I mean, it's hard.

It's just the Mopar thing has always been there

because they've always understood about us big lumberjack.

That's part of it, you know.

You know,

man,

but on the other side of that,

I'll tell you that the only time,

I'm extremely claustrophobic.

And the only time I'm not claustrophobic,

what I'm claustrophobic is when I'm racing.

Because what's claustrophobia mean

when you're in a race car?

It means you're freaking great.

Safe.

Yeah.

So I'm superseded any fright or any fear whatsoever

from claustrophobia when I'm in a race car.

It's funny how that works, right?

But, man, I just love room, you know,

like look at the new Corvette.

I mean, I can't take advantage of that flat plane crank

because I can't, I can be ported to that car,

but I have to be airlifted out, you know, the GTD.

I don't know how big that is.

That's a car that's on my list.

I'd love to get one of those.

I'd love to take advantage of, you know, just be,

I'm a Mopar guy because, you know,

a lot of the power and a lot of the size

and it's kind of goes together.

I can't see out of the Corvette.

I mean the Corvette, the Camaro.

European cars, I can't get in most of them.

They're too skinny.

A lot of them are.

But nowadays, you got the like the Lucid's

and what is it, the Jamera that's a two door,

actually like a four door that's a two door,

you know, size-wise that fits, you know, four, six, six guys.

And my first and foremost thing is about comfort, truly.

And then I go from there.

It wasn't enough to supersede the fact

that the new Dodge Chargers is a piece of work.

The fact that it's so big and comfortable,

it didn't, it still wasn't enough

to make it palatable for me.

But.

I think we're going to see some new stuff

coming from Mopar here real quick.

Well, you know we are.

I mean, here X is the first

and then it's just going to be,

it's going to be the domino effect.

It has to be.

Yeah.

And Tim didn't come back first and foremost

to listen to anybody, number one and number two

to do things any differently than he did in the past,

which was an unbridled, unapologetic way

of putting horsepower in front of the consumer.

Right.

It's funny how on the OEs like they were,

you had a cup, you had one,

maybe Ford, maybe Ford,

maybe a little bit of a Chevrolet

where they were kind of like

talking out both sides of the mouth, right?

You know, we're going hard on the EV thing,

forget all this.

On the backside, they're kind of like,

all right, don't worry,

like we're still going to do some kind of cool stuff,

right?

But they kind of,

they kind of had predicted which way

the election was going to go.

Like they had said,

you know what?

We're going to put all our eggs in this basket.

It was, it's funny to see

like the whole landscape kind of shift

without planning because like,

oh, it went a different direction

than what we had hedged our bets on.

So now it's like, you know what?

Dump all that.

How fast can we get big horsepower?

Holy shit.

These guys are beating our ass.

We're going to do this.

It's really wild.

It was also logic, right?

I mean, serious, serious.

Well, yes, it should have been.

It never would have been logic

if the election would have gone the other way.

But who in their right mind is going to run a car

and only run a car that can't be charged in cold weather?

That's very inefficient

if it can charge in cold weather.

Where the grids can't support what is existing,

let alone what a grid of electronic vehicle charging stations

would cause to it, you know?

So I mean, it's just an illogical way of freaking thinking.

Well, 100%, but at the same time it wasn't,

the long term was not about the suppliers coming on board

with the customer base.

It was about the customer base having to bend

to what the supply was.

So they didn't really care about,

you're just going to change your way of life.

Like they don't care about you're not being happy

with it.

You're just like, you're not going to drive that much

or you're just going to conform to what's available.

But you know what?

The good thing is,

is that even though they've tried to erase history

by them trying to do something like that,

we showed them that not everything is going to work like that.

There were the SEMA crowd, right?

You know, the people fighting for the emissions deal,

the Leno Law and all this kind of stuff

which we should be fighting for

is that's our love and our passion.

Right.

That's the crowd, you know, that's as passionate

as the people are about automobiles.

At least a certain generation is.

Well, that's the problem with pushing so hard

is because like a slow fade, you know,

the automotive industry, your blue collar people,

like you're generally too busy

one to pay attention, number two,

to like do anything about it

because you're working, right?

So it's not like you can just stop what you're doing,

you know, fill out a petition or go protest or something like that.

So a slow fade where it's one of those other things,

you're like, ah, that's kind of stupid.

I hope they don't go through that.

That allows things to go a different direction.

Now, a quick push of like.

That's not telling somebody what to do.

Yeah, putting a deadline on it and be like, guess what?

You know, 2030, no more gas cars.

And we're doing this,

now it's kind of like, oh,

I could maybe take off work tomorrow to go protest this

because this shit's real.

Now you're putting real deadlines on it.

That's when people started really, really waking up

and it started creeping down into,

even regardless if you're a car person,

when it's kind of like, oh wait, I can't buy that anymore.

I mean, lawn guys, I gotta buy an electric backpack blower.

That's just never gonna work.

It's just freedom, it's choice.

You know, Dodge and I talked to Kinescas about it.

The best thing they ever did

was the Super Bowl commercial with Harrison Ford.

Best thing they ever did.

Because even the playing field over the past year or two

when manufacturers, certain manufacturers,

most of the manufacturers were at least telling the public

that they had a choice, right?

Dodge didn't do that.

Right?

No.

And that's where they really screwed up.

Yeah.

And they saw how badly they screwed up

once they played that commercial

and saw the good that it did

and the healing that it did overnight, I believe.

Right.

That they'd finally pulled their head

out of the fricking sand, you know?

Every time that started getting too serious

with the electric mandates,

I always just pictured myself like,

Stallone and Judge Dredd.

You know, when he's ripping that Boss 420,

it's all these electric fucking future cars

and there's Stallone just ripping gears

in this gas-eating muscle car.

And Max.

Is, can you reference Stallone

in just about any conversation?

Yeah, probably.

I bet.

He was very formidable.

Yeah, yeah.

He shaped a young...

He shaped.

Only five and a half feet tall, though.

You know that.

Dude, so am I.

That's again.

I relate, you know.

There it is.

There's the connection.

Right.

We got one more and then we'll go to standard questions.

How did car casts come about?

You and Matt do a really great job on the podcast.

And out of that...

It's O.L. and Whiskey.

It is.

Thank you.

I appreciate it, man.

You know, Matt asked me if I wanted to do it.

I think Carola wanted to do a little different show

and Matt asked me if I had any desire to do it.

And man, I love Matt the Death and anytime.

I like the show because it's a range.

You can get a certain thing from Matt

and you can get a certain thing from me.

And the fact is, is that, you know,

I'm never gonna waver.

I'm always gonna be that predictable guy.

And there needs to be that guy

because there's a lot of like-minded people out there,

I believe, but there also are a few people

that want to drive a Ford Lightning

and, you know, care about the Mach-E

and stuff like that.

I don't know, man.

It's nice to have conversations with them.

It's nice to have a friend that likes to lean on that side,

because we can have, you know,

playful, jabbing conversations at each other.

And, you know, I sat still for a little while.

I came out of the barracks, man,

like full-fledged when God's finally decided

to come back and do their thing

and scrap, you know, what their exit plans were.

So, you do a great job, both of y'all do.

I always wondered, like, the chemistry's really good

or you do a great job of playing the ying and the yang.

So, best of luck.

We look forward to the show.

Now we come to standard questions.

Standard questions brought to you

by the Standard & Wheels, HRE.

First and foremost, I'm going to the favorite first,

because I think it's gonna set the tone.

You don't favorite car movie?

No, I'm going to our favorite question.

That is your most memorable law enforcement

interaction story.

I get a lot of them.

As car guys generally do.

300-pound wrestlers also probably have a little more than that.

I was chasing our quarterback with a brick

and I turned the corner and a policeman

who shined his flashlight in my face, I mean, it's not.

I escaped from the back of a patrol car

while my teammate talked the policeman out of arresting me

and he was gonna let me go anyway and I had already escaped.

Is that probably it?

Is that a graceful escape or is that like

a kick the door off the hinges escape?

The second one.

Yeah.

That's your limitation.

I would kid up a new number one spot.

Oh, I promise you it's the one and only person

to escape that way.

Yeah, we've had some stories.

Nobody's nobody's bad enough to kick the door off.

Okay.

I made that video of just a door exploding out.

Yeah.

Um, favorite car movie.

Smoky and the bandit, I got to go with that

because Bert's such a dude, man.

I mean, there's there's so many great car movies.

I mean, Bullet, Good Jesus.

I mean, you can't, I mean, you know what?

Those two are tied.

Bullet and Smoky and the Bullet Smoky.

Did you ever meet Bert Reynolds?

Oh, Jesus Christ, Bert.

Yeah, man, Bert.

Yeah, we did.

We did the longest yard together.

Number one.

Oh, I forget about the longest yard.

Yeah.

My wife knew.

My wife worked with Bert for years

before I even met Bert.

And he turned me on to my agent.

Yeah, Bert and I, we had a lot of fun together.

He was a wonderful man.

I never got the pleasure of meeting.

I've, lots of movies revolve around Bert Reynolds.

But more importantly, there's only two people

we've talked about before.

There's two people in this world right now

that I wish I could have hung with and been friends with.

One's Whalen Jennings and the other's Bert Reynolds.

And anybody that knows either one of those

that probably tells you a lot about me

and my interest, but it's, there's.

What was our argument, Bert Reynolds versus Stallone,

wasn't it?

We've, we got into a famous,

we got into a famous argument here

where I chose Bert Reynolds to win

in every situation over Stallone.

Yeah.

Bert's bigger.

Bert played ball.

Bert's cars better than every car

that Stallone ever had in every movie.

Have a Drago.

The Cobra sucked.

Apollo Creed was bigger.

Yeah, it was.

Clubber Lang.

Dude, he took a whole Kogan.

Thunder Lips.

He took out Thunder Lips.

He's five, five.

Yeah.

Well, you don't have to go any further than that.

You saw him.

He didn't get a flight as he wants.

He can't get in the car.

You saw him body slam Hulk Hogan.

That's right.

Dude, it happened on TV.

That wasn't CGI.

It was before AI.

That was like in the late 80s.

Body slam.

No.

I'm just done.

Ray Mysterio Jr. was a bad ass.

Hey, Stallone, Stallone's great.

Great, great actor.

I love Stallone.

He's awesome.

He is.

He's no Bert.

No.

Yeah.

No.

They're two totally different people.

I mean, as even as far as like that's concerned,

they're both up here, but they're both up there

for completely different reasons.

Yeah.

I believe.

I agree.

They weren't similar in any way, shape or form.

And I mean, come on.

Look at the body count.

Just look at the body count and tell me.

All right.

Yeah.

That one I'll give you probably.

Oh, 1,000.

You have to give him that.

There's no contest.

What's going on?

All right.

You already did first car.

We'll go best piece of advice you've ever received.

Hogan told me to, well, I mean, you know,

I'll say it's this one because it's fresh in my mind.

And Hogan always told me that when

I thought I was going slow enough in a wrestling match,

slow down, right?

So I mean, well, wrestling business is concerned.

That was the best piece of advice I ever got.

And since Hogan just passed, I'll

dedicate that question to him.

I was I received a lot of great advice

from my father and my brothers as a kid.

Path of least resistance is probably the biggest

thing that I go by.

And treat people the way you want to be treated.

And they're all cliches after that, but they're

cliches for a reason.

So.

Last, but not least, going wild car because he already

did the first car in in that first car.

What's the song you're listening to the most when you're cruising?

At that time?

Yeah, that's that's the key at that time.

Oh, my God.

Life in the fast lane, I got to say.

That works.

Yeah.

Why was it?

I don't know who was.

I know the song.

I'm not sure he's saying it.

Yeah, some some rush or Billy Squire or Zeppelin or

something was playing on it or Boston, something was playing.

But I can't pin it down.

He had to change my way by rush.

Let's just let's say that when that's the only name of the song

that I know.

And then you get to George and it's Skinner and Skinner only,

right?

Yeah, man.

One of the ever things that ever happened to me was when I met

Skinner, Ricky Medlock.

The first time I was at Road Wild, we were going to Road

Wild for WCW and it was we had driven in on motorcycles

from Mile High Stadium from Denver.

It was the first time I was ever on the highway on a fricking

motorcycle and I got on the highway to go to Sturgis.

And man, that was an absolutely unbelievable trip.

I bet.

Unbelievable.

I can't remember why I mentioned Sturgis, but yeah,

I told you guys have been hit in the head.

You didn't tell us, but we've watched your career.

One last one and we'll let you go.

Do you when you look back at fond memories of experiences,

right? Take take family and children obviously out of it,

right? Because that's always going to win.

But experiences and things that you've got to do,

relationships that you've got to have,

is it revolve around football, wrestling or cars?

Well, it sure does not revolve about wrestling.

I can tell you that.

It's mostly at this point in my, I mean, I'd say it's a mix

between cars and football.

But the things that we do later in life are indicative

of who we are as human beings.

And you can go no further than to say that I'm a football player

who loves cars.

That describes me to a frickin T.

That's it. I'm not a wrestler that loves cars.

I'm a football player who loves cars.

Who just so happened to be a professional wrestler

during part of his career.

That says so much.

That's how I like to be described.

And like I said, a dude who treated people,

he wanted to be treated other than the fact that I bagged

on you guys for the podcast appearance the first time.

It's watering of the bridge.

And the arm wrestling event.

We're going to just make it up.

We're going to fly out.

We'll fly the studio team out and all that.

We need to do an in-person at your garage.

Let's do it 100 percent.

Let me see if I can, you guys see through there?

Let's see.

Let's see what the guys are doing.

I'd love to, man.

That's awesome.

I saw a little garage tour on YouTube.

You got a killer space there.

Here, man. I'll just do it.

How we doing, boys?

Oh, Jesus Christ, the bench showed up.

So we're working on the Cobra, putting the dash in today.

Sweet.

That's my buddy Clint.

Where are you, Clint?

There you go. There's Clint.

What's up, Clint?

He's over there.

Here's Cobra. Here's the rest of them.

You guys will salivate over this chair.

Sweet. Oh, wow.

We're just trying to have fun, man.

That's what it's all about.

Trying to have fun.

You fit into Cobra?

Not very well,

but I will fit much better now

because I

I customized it quite a bit.

Whether it's raising the dash

an inch and a half,

or it's

taking the three inch risers

out from under the seats.

There's a number of things I'm trying to do.

You know who I bet fits good in a Cobra?

Who's that?

Stallone.

Me and Stallone together.

We both fit awesome in that.

One works the path.

You look good.

Gullberg.

It's been absolutely amazing.

I appreciate it, gentlemen.

It's been absolutely my pleasure.

I appreciate it. We got to do it again.

We're going to come out there and see you.

You can walk us through the shit. It's going to be fucking awesome.

Let's do it. I'm just waiting on you.

Right on, man. We'll be there.

Thanks, buddy. Appreciate it. Take care.

You all be well. You too.

Thank you, Jens. Thanks.

Really? That's a bucket list one.

That was good.

Honestly, I could tell.

Even Rogan and all that.

It's cool. We have a relationship.

It's kind of easy.

Yeah, when you know somebody.

The first time you watched him.

He's fucking intimidating.

You know how you always want to see me?

Yeah, you want to see me get spirited.

I do.

There's not many things that I would...

I don't think you would really...

No, I want to see him toss you.

I thought of what the damage would be.

It'd be funny, but I think the damage would be

like, irreparable.

I think he'd hurt himself more

because there'd be nothing stopping him.

He'd be like running through a sheet.

Stop it. More like a bedspread.

He'd be like, I could do that.

I could do that.

Like a nice heavy down blanket.

Like a weighted blanket.

Like posture up a little bit.

He would absolutely... I think you would split.

I had to turn to dust.

Yeah.

Like pop.

All I could keep thinking about is

the energy when he would spear somebody

and afterwards he's just like...

Yeah.

He made no friends in wrestling.

He went so hard.

Yeah, a lot of intensity.

Yeah.

How would pay so much?

That would hurt me.

I'd be...

But watching him.

I'd be here bound the rest of my life.

I'd tell him to go 50%.

Yeah.

What were we just going to throw you in a pool?

Oh.

Arm and leg.

Arm and leg and windmill.

Like a midget toss?

Like a 5 foot 5 toss.

I'd take it.

150 feet.

It might be fun.

We got to thank Eddie.

Eddie.

Eddie Pettis for the Mikters 10.

Eddie brought a banger.

We were professional

and we limited ourselves

because we had to do a...

The good stuff you want to sip on a little bit.

Yeah, but we have to make sure

that we don't get carried away.

We got to perform.

We had an important guest.

This is really, really good.

I think we can hang out with

Mr. Goldberg.

He told me to call him Bill.

Did he?

He texted me.

That's the thing about car guys.

When you cut the celebrity stuff out,

car guys can always just hang.

Except guys in Mikey.

They can hang.

He just hangs a little too long.

He's in the saddle a little too long.

Yeah.

But when he breaks, he breaks.

Yeah.

You missed Jameson's night.

I missed the end of that.

That was...

That was probably the equivalent

of Goldberg tossing me around, right?

Yeah, but it was...

I'd never seen Jameson go to the dark side.

Oh.

He's usually kind of in control.

Yeah, but that one, yeah.

The switch got flipped.

Really?

Somebody apparently put alcohol

in all those shots

that he kept bringing around until we've determined after.

Yeah.

We talked about it on the last one.

I do think that the Drivers and Dives

Road Tour

podcast recap

at Mikey's garage.

It's a mouthful. We're going to have to figure out the name.

That's a big fucking mouthful.

But I think that needs to happen.

While the stories are fresh and everybody's mine.

Well, I don't think, based on the text chain

that went on today, it's not going to be a problem

scheduling it with Mikey.

But he's always available.

Always available to hang out.

Today's golf day, right?

Thursday's golf day.

Friday's beer day.

Wednesday's not work day.

Mondays show up early, leave early day.

Tuesday is try to get it done day.

Three-day weekend's like camping weekend, right?

Right.

There's a little bit of boating in there.

I think Tuesday's are

making it happen.

Dude, he wakes up Tuesday

to get ready to get after it.

He's coming tomorrow.

But Wednesday's the day.

I'm going to fuck this shit up on Wednesday.

Meanwhile, I'm going to play some golf.

I'm going to play a little golf today.

But tomorrow.

You watch out.

I'm going to do two days of work in a day.

And then go on to the lake.

What? What did you say?

To the lake.

Yeah, we got to do that.

But Mick, there's ten, it's a buy it.

It's a buy it.

You're probably not going to be able to buy it

because it's a glass.

It's going to be in the glass showcase if you find it.

That's a collector's item right there.

Have you had the rye, tenure?

I think I have it. I haven't opened it.

I've got it. I haven't opened it. It's the green one, right?

Yeah.

For rye.

They're all ryes are green.

Banger. Is it? Is that a thing?

It is. I did not know that.

I parked that up.

What about?

Weller 12 doesn't count.

Weller Reserve doesn't count.

But no, any green labels or green things

is a rye thing.

Peerless.

Will it?

Yeah, I just had some Will It Rye

for the weekend.

Family Reserve Rye.

You were there, you had it.

In a cocktail.

I'll tell you what we should review

was that we opened

and finished

that

bottle of eight year.

What was it?

Old Dominic. No, at my house.

Oh, the old fits.

Old fits, eight year.

In the new decanter.

You can find, I mean, it's harder,

but it is out there.

That's their whole point was they wanted to make it accessible.

And it's a $60 bottle.

It's good.

Really good.

And nothing left.

Great wheat in all the wheat spots

and great spice

and all the great spice spots.

It's a good, good flavorful.

It's a banger.

It's a banger that looks good on the shelf.

Anytime they're in those little

decanter bottles.

The decanter style bottles.

And then they get the sheath on them.

Oh, a bag?

Bag sheath.

Sheath for your knife.

Classes it up.

Put it on your hip and carry it around in your sheath.

The bottle?

No, because it's in a bag.

So you wouldn't.

If you wanted to, you could.

Is there a bell loop on it?

It's got little stringies.

You could tie it off of your bell loop.

It's not a sheath.

We'll just flat out.

We can keep going, but it's not a sheath.

It's a bag.

They didn't call it a crown royal sheath.

Noted.

Point awarded, Josh.

That's a rare victory.

I feel like we have some news to handle.

Did we?

No news.

Besides go to weathertech.com and get

your vote is for a cup phone.

He had to go package deal.

With what?

Cup phone and the floor mats.

Oh, floor mats, yeah.

Not only in Chicago,

but have a son who eats cheez-its

and goldfish in the car.

It saves you hours of acumen.

I'm going to tell you from personal experience.

You get the new car

and you get the mats

and you tell yourself,

you know what?

These mats are probably just as good.

I don't have to get weathertech.

Go ahead and live with that life for a week

and then say, you know what?

These mats suck.

Buy weathertech mats

and then purchase them and save your vehicle.

I'm with you.

They're different.

Man, this thing rides pretty good.

I don't know if I need a Roadster Shop chassis.

You're lying to yourself.

You are.

I even tried it.

I got the new GMC truck.

I came with those fancy carpet mats

that had a little medallion on them.

It's not weathertech.

That lasts about in Chicago

Do you know what they should have made?

Instantly upgraded.

Rear bumper covers.

If they would have made a weathertech rear bumper cover.

I wonder if you can get that with...

I think it would have to be a frame brace.

I wonder if you can get that with rewards points.

I don't know.

We will see you again next week.

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