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All right, folks, on this episode of the podcast, I got into a fight with customer
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service. Zach spent a week and a half in a Volvo and the planes are landing on the cars.
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It's a Smoking Tire podcast. Let's go. There we go. I saw this. This plane comes in and
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tries to do a highway landing, but then lands on a fucking Civic or something.
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Dude, that guy in the Civic is just rolling down the street,
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smoking and no sipping on gin and juice, and laid back. Thank God, otherwise his head would have
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been crashed. And a beach craft is on his mind, literally, fucking,
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and it bounces a couple of times too. Bro, Mike, what are the odds that
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motherfucker's running a dash cam? Because look, because then the plane comes, it bounces on
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him and it goes forward. So he's got a crush, crush and the plane, he's got the best shot of
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all time. It would top the Mustang going off of turn nine at Willow for best dash cam video ever
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recorded. Which do you remember? This is early internet. By the way, I hope this guy didn't
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like die. No, they're both, they're both okay. Early internet. There was a video, I think it
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was like joking about these things. This might have been the 90s. It was like the first
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look at CGI I could remember and there was a plane that lands and it lands on a Jeep
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Grand Cherokee and it's like the plane touches down on the Cherokee and the landing,
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because the landing gear is broken and the Jeep holds up the plane and it's like the Jeep saves the
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day and this guy's just driving along. I think it seemed like someone was making a spec commercial
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and this proves that your Jeep probably is not going to support a C130 that lands on it.
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I mean, this guy landed on this car. What's that plane weigh? 1000 pounds?
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No. Pretty light, right? More than that.
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Either way, it just, it came down and thank God for a pillar strength.
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Yeah, I mean enough to, that plane, it occurs to me that I don't know what the plane weighs,
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but it must be more than 1000 pounds. Beach Baron. Beach Baron.
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It's the name of, it's the type of plane. I mean, it's like a fixed wing aircraft,
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low wing aircraft. Oh, wow. It was way off like 5,500 pounds.
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A Baron 58, G58. I don't know what that was, but all right, that's heavy.
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Yeah. That's some kinetic energy. Okay. You need a Pagani roof structure.
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To quote the great Doc Brown, he'll rip through us like we're tinfoil.
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You know what I mean? What did he say that? I believe you.
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He's flying. He says, Doc, let's land on him. We'll cripple his car. Marty.
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46 Ford. We're the Lorian. Ripped to us like we're tinfoil.
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In hindsight, with what we know now, the 48 Ford would have also crumpled.
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No, it wouldn't have been bad. Yeah.
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The second collision would have been ugly. Yeah. But man, it's a, dude, that guy,
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he's in the middle lane too. This dude is the least aggressive driver. No one's around.
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65, hands at 10 and two. Eyes forked. Eyes forked.
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Just listening to an audio book about jazz. You know, a history of jazz.
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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And that's why if this dude was driving like 95 was the Mulsanne straight,
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he would have had both the focus and the pace to not be in this situation.
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Maybe I have to play him landing lights, but if you were driving, this plane descends very
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quickly. It didn't have, it looks like it had no power. It didn't really glide and touch
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land. It just kind of came down. It lost altitude fast at the end here.
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Yeah. Yeah. I think unless you spotted those landing lights and understood what was happening.
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If you scroll down into the commentos of this Reddit post, is there another angle,
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but does anyone else have another angle of this?
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One hurt, no deaths. That's good. You want to guess who was hurt?
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Oh, is that? Oh, apparently. Here's a YouTube video showing something else.
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Okay. Well, good times. I mean, you know, flying. Every time I see a video like that,
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it makes me want to get a pilot's license. It definitely tells me exactly why I should know.
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Oh, is that the car? I think that's the car. What is that? Is that a, it's a Camry.
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Yeah. You think Toyota's going to give them a new Camry?
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Look at the cuts from the props. Whoa. Oh my God. Oh yeah. We do have another angle. Hell,
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fucking yeah. It's further back. Guy banks it right in, losing altitude very fast. This is further
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back. Yeah. I mean, you know, that's luck at the draw, right? If this, if this guy has no power,
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it's like you just got to, you got to hope. Whoa. Yeah. So scary. Man, what do you think
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that conversation's like? Can I have your insurance? Do you have insurance? Bro, what's here?
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You got Geico? Yeah. Flaco. It's fucking, it turns out it's the mayhem guy.
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Like me. Like me. It doesn't have all state. If you're not prepared for unexpected things
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falling from the sky, you're not prepared for mayhem like me. Holy shit. I'm a 5,500
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pound beach baron and I'm out of fuel. That sucks.
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Yeah. That's no way to, poor guy. I would have loved to be there for the pilot climbing out going.
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Really sorry. Really, really sorry. Bro, my bad. My bad. Okay. So for like three days,
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I wanted to tell you the wildest three week customer service fight I've had over $46,
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which is the kind of thing my wife would do. It is. And so I was going to start this by saying that
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there's a company called PartsGeek. Have you ever heard of this company? It's an online parts
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reseller. And I don't know. It's just a fucking website that sells parts. Thaddeus sent me
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lug nuts through this. It just looks like you're very legitimate. Yeah. I'll say that this little
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search bar right here, this reminds me of when you go to websites where you can download a YouTube
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video and there's like type in, here's where the address goes, but here's a fake bar of an ad
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of where the address goes. Yeah. Okay. So anyway, I had a pretty seamless transaction
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to purchase lug nuts for my Acura NSX, because I needed regular lug nuts to
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sell the car, right? I had the black ones for the HREs. I need silver ones to go back on the
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stock wheels. Can I ask, did you call AutoZone or anything first or you just went here?
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No. Okay. I was talking to Thaddeus about it. Right. I was just like, yeah, because
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Thaddeus is my friend who's a photographer and I was being lazy about getting the lug nuts.
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I was doing other things. And so Thaddeus just goes, here, I did the work for you just like hit
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buy. Got it. So I go, okay. So I do hit buy. I do like three day shipping or whatever. Okay.
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Like, and I'm going to, I was going to start this by saying that there's a story about this
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company stealing my money. Okay. But today, about 20 minutes before I got here, I got a thing,
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an email saying your refund has been initiated, initiated. Now I haven't actually seen any
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monies, but I won't use that word. I'm not going to call this segment parts geek stole my money.
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I wouldn't because they're, they're holding my money hostage. You can say they held your
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money. They're certainly holding my $46 hostage until further notice. Okay. But
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I ordered November 14th, three day shipping November 14th. Okay. On November 15th, I got a
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shipping notification. Okay. With a tracking number, a USPS tracking number. Just for listeners,
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it is December 10th today, December 10th today. It's almost a month on December, November 22nd.
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All right. It's now been over a week. I click on the package hasn't shown up. I click on the
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tracking number. It does not go to the USPS. It goes back to parts geeks website. And it says
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your order is in transit. I then call and I am told to wait two days. And then, you know,
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Because now I need them. And now it's been 10 days and all I wanted was fucking lug nuts. And
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fucking deal with this. So, okay. It's been 10 days and they've told me to wait two days twice.
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The next day I get an email that says the warehouse has been alerted
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to the investigation. Please wait one to three days. Okay. The same day, later that day,
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it says we've started an investigation with the carrier that may take seven to 14 days.
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Okay. December 2nd. December 2nd. I go to the chat bot. Not the video I sent you,
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but previous to that. I didn't screen record this one. And I request a refund based on the
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the carrier is investigating. We need to wait for the carrier to finish investigating and
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deliver their findings. I said go. I then call customer service and I'm told there's a 45 minute
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wait. Please wait two days on the phone. I go back on the chat bot. December 9th. December 9th.
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This is from November 14th. December 9th, they go back on the chat bot. Just the
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investigation is ongoing. Nothing else. I would like a refund. No, not while the
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investigation is ongoing. Well, I'd like you to cancel my order. We can only cancel the order in
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the first hour. We can't issue a refund if you don't return. So I was like, okay. Okay, fine.
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Now it's, now it's what this was yesterday is the 9th, right? To the 10th. Today's the 11th,
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on the phone. I'm caller number 25 when I call at 6.30 a.m. and I stay on the fucking phone for 45
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Yeah. I go back. I go back. This is for $46. I go back on the chat bot. And at this point,
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I have the conversation which I have screen recorded and sent to you.
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Oh, first of all, by the way, I'm number 25 and it says, you know, press one and we'll call you
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back when it's your turn in line. Yeah. Press one does nothing. Of course. Absolutely nothing.
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Well I did well no about three quarters of the way into this process I decided this would be
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maybe funny radio for like somebody and I'm that I was going to fly the plane into the mountain.
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You know what I mean? Where did the car as it were? So do you want to uh so scroll down uh
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just a little bit are you are you showing the screen? Yeah. Okay so you want do you want to
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be uh the the chat bot which is gray and I'll be. Oh yeah let's just play it out. Yeah
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let's act. Where do you want to start? Top? Uh sure yeah yeah okay and I scrolled it in a way
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that I think you I think it's readable. Okay so go ahead you're the chat bot. Sure.
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Hi there welcome to the parts team web sorry. Hi there welcome to the parts geek website our
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best qualified team agents are ready for you. Let us help we have the best prices and benefits
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online. I would like a refund on an order that I paid for but never received and your
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company has spent a nearly a month investigating. Hello this is Lucas Harper welcome to parts geek
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thank you for visiting our website how can we assist you? Order number? Order number blah blah
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blah blah placed on November 14th. Sure then I'm going to read this literally what is said
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please cs25962203 which is a very helpful response for you. Hello Matthew we highly
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appreciate your patience regarding this as of today the investigation is still ongoing and we are
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waiting to receive an update from the carrier and our warehouse we will make sure to keep you
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posted as soon as we hear from them this is the last update we have from your order so you
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need to wait you will get an update from the warehouse. I would like you to cancel my order
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and refund my money. We are not able to cancel the order at this time. Why not please
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provide me the UPS or USPS tracking number for the package. Unfortunately we only have one hour
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after an order is placed to cancel an order because it is past that time frame and your
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order is being processed we cannot stop it from shipping please contact us after you have received
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the items to set up the return. The order never shipped what is the tracking number of the
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package I ordered this package three weeks ago and never got a tracking number your company has
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provided no evidence that this package ever shipped at all. I completely understand the concern you
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have raised regarding the situation at hand however in accordance with the order you placed
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I would like to inform you that this is the most recent update we have available at this moment
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therefore in this particular case it is necessary for you to wait for the final answer to be
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provided by the warehouse before we can proceed further. Real quick when you sent me this once
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I got to here I was like oh you're talking to AI like you are not talking to a human being Lucas
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is made up. Lucas is not a human yeah no Lucas is Tilly Norwood uh what is the tracking number
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if you can't provide one the packages in your warehouse that you can refund my money. And
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then they sent a picture of the tracking number which they said not a clickable tracking number
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they sent a screenshot of. Right so it's a screenshot of the tracking number and literally
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below it in bright red it says tracking not available not available for this item this may
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be because the tracking number is invalid or USPS has not received payment or has not received the
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item. And then under the screenshot says the screenshot Lucas says is there anything else
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I can do for you? And I say that screenshot literally says number invalid on it you can
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give me an actual valid tracking number yes. Matt I completely understand your concerns
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regarding the situation however I would like to clarify that the process of refunding the parts
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and canceling the order is not something we have control over. Currently the ticket related
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to this matter is still open which means that you will need to adhere to the policy timeframe
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that has been established. Unfortunately we are unable to take any further action on this issue
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until we receive an update from the warehouse team regarding the status of your order.
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Thank you for your patience and understanding in this matter. Is there anything else I can
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do for you? At this point it is time to go. No I love that you were like I never agreed to
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wait for any time for it. For any time frame. Anyway I basically then said I'm calling my
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company. Yeah you talked to a made-up person. I talked to a made-up person but then I did
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in about three seconds shout out to Chase Sapphire Reserve dispute the charges and win
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and so they go fuck themselves. Yeah that's terrible. For 46 dollars 46 dollars a set of
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lug nuts. That's what this was over. I have fucking given customers hundreds of dollars of
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like in value of stuff on the off chance I fucked up. You know what I mean? Like I've repaired
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fucking scratches in people's leather that there was no way you know that I couldn't like
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because maybe possibly one of my guys did it. Maybe like I've done like little stuff. This is
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why you don't own a jet. This is crazy. Yeah right. PartsGeek probably has a jet. I don't know.
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It says they've been around since 2008. Yeah and they just fucking outsource their entire
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shit to AI and guess what happens. It's not very good. You want to be around for another
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fucking 20 years buddy you better fucking get on this. That's crazy right. Yeah stuff like
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that like I ordered a lot of parts online because it's just it's easier to do research
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and especially finding like BMW parts but recently I was buying a part for the
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your episode of the game show that's coming up and like the shipping cost of these things
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guys have this and they said yeah I said how much is it they said the guy laughed you went
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three bucks I was like I'll take two of them and I'll see you in two days if you ask how much
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something is and a person laughs yeah that's good yeah that means that means it's good
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it's affordable well the other part I needed for my car to fix the lights that were on
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that the laughter was because it was a thousand dollars for a new a new version of that yaw
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sensor no fucking way but I was able to buy one on ebay that works for a hundred bucks nice and
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cost for that because that is looked up what cost would be 798 so oh wow so it's not even like it's
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it's a 20 discount which sometimes you get cost it's 80 discount sure as I'm saying it's not
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like in the in the world of high margin items it's not that high margin of an item right
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that's like uh you know that the Bentley fucking seat motors that I had where they're on $2,500
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otherwise like guess what buddy no power seats for you that's right the manual operation not motors
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of like brains the power seat ecu's oh not even the motor it's like the controller for it yeah it
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was the brains I mean think like think about like the the kind of computer that you needed to
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do something in 1990 it was a game boy yeah it was fucking yeah yeah yeah yeah based on your
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what you just gestured with your hands yes that is an accurate description of the size of this
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which is gigantic yeah um oh man so so anyway fuck those people but that's that was that was
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what I spent my last four days doing that's that really yeah you sent that to me I went that's brutal
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especially for something so simple you know it wasn't an obscure thing and I like you know I I'm a
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like I got the lug nuts like a week ago like from somewhere else like I I I could I could just write
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this off as fucking getting robbed but like about halfway through this process I decided that
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riding it all the way to the end was the only way to go I think it's good I'm glad you canceled
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the charges so that they're not just making 46 bucks no because I don't know maybe I don't want
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to speculate that they do that all the time I mean I I would hope that this isn't just a
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it well RJ the warehouse guy's daughter okay and they hated each other oh that'll do that yeah
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yeah um cars yeah do you have cars to talk about I do I have the the Volvo and lose
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everything again the Volvo the 90 the ride with excellent seats uh yes I wish it had an
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excellent ride though um so I spent Thanksgiving driving around in the Volvo V 90 cross country
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cross country my notes for this if you're gonna have a Volvo it should it probably should be
31:05
a cross country at this point yeah well they're I mean because they've out of all the fast
31:10
is now at Polestar right they've sent they've outsourced their speed to Polestar totally so and
31:16
even those aren't that frost but like they're not there's this actually compared to the competitors
31:21
but right volvos have have kind of given up on fast what they do is luxury yeah I think that's
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fine um of course so here's what here's the quick specs on this thing starts at 57 grand the
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one I had was like 72 and it had the confusingly named b6 trim yeah which just makes me think of
31:39
outie doesn't be mean like mild hybrid in this wild hybrid that's like 48 v I know because d means diesel
31:47
and what's the electric drove t is gas electric we drove that electric although e yeah like e x all
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right electric yeah so so this is the b6 uh it's the fanciest one they have it has uh I think a bno
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stereo in it it's got these amazing like 14 way seats that have massage and cooled and heated
32:07
and everything and with this trim $73,000 which is still cheaper than where the competing Mercedes
32:15
starts that's the e 450 450 all terrain all terrain yeah which is how much uh it starts at like 74
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okay um it starts at 78 it's a lot quicker 0 to 60 is two seconds quicker than the Volvo
32:29
because it's a twin turbo it's the it's the is it the six it's a twin turbo six twin turbo
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six yeah yeah this is a tiny it's a two liter four banger turbo charged with electric supercharger
32:42
and with mild hybrid there's a lot going on isn't it weird well hmm isn't it weird to have a
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electric turbo electric supercharger and a turbo yeah when you could really just have an electric
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turbo yeah because if you like Porsche makes makes do with one electric turbo sure and
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because if the electrification can spool that turbo well what do you need the supercharger for
33:17
with two things I would say I tried to find Volvo media on like how this system specifically
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works and it was very very difficult like they need to do a lot better job with their press
33:27
with their tech so if I had to take a swing at this my guess would be
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does it have drive accessory drive belts or if they eliminate it does I didn't open the hood okay
33:38
I mean by by they already had a twin charged engine they did right and it wasn't very good
33:44
right so what they do is they just remove the drag of the supercharger by putting an
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e-motor on the pulley effectively and they go and that frees up efficiency for the gas engine
33:57
it's sort of like a it's a half step right and I think that was gonna be my guess is that they
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already have this two liter turbocharged engine and if they can just take off one little part of it
34:08
that's probably cheaper than maybe redeveloping the whole packaging for just a single electric
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turbocharger yeah so I think that's probably more complicated to do I don't know I don't know
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if it's more complicated or less complicated but it's probably a case of like working with
34:24
what they had sure and like like whether it's more complicated or less complicated doing
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a new system from nothing costs money you know versus like modifying this one component right
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probably think so I mean if if the supercharger just bolted on it spun up electrically and
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shoots air into the engine you could kind of put it in a lot of different places when
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it's no longer attached to a belt right yeah but like the Porsche turbocharger thing it has to live
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in one spot and when they change it to an electric turbo I mean you have a lot we have a lot of good
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cutaways in the videos of the gts and stuff like the engine looks way different the engine looks
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a lot different yeah so um this engine is is much better than some volvos in the past we drove
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where the throttle was super touchy uh 060 in 6.4 seconds 300 horsepower 4400 pounds which is
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light in some ways it's because all the drive is standard um great things the seats are awesome
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these seats are like when we drove the car we we'll talk about in like a month you know a
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thousand miles I said the foam is a little firm yeah and like some Porsches the foam is too firm
35:30
it'll probably hold up well this was perfect this was like just the right amount of memory foam
35:35
and then supportive underneath super configurable absolutely loved them radar cruises great
35:42
angling lights when you turn is awesome are they laser they're not laser they're just they're
35:47
bright yeah and they just rotate when you turn but I mean plenty of cars have that stuff
35:51
google maps everywhere the eight speed is really smooth and it gets has double wishbones in the
35:57
front like a gt3 um and the screens which look kind of simple and small by you know compared
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to most cars today are actually really usable and the response has always been quick because
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I think those screens are like a laser grid which is different from the other um touch screens out
36:15
there so the response is great and now it just uses google maps for everything yeah so it's like
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Audi like you can get google maps in the center screen you can get google maps in the display in
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front of you super clear super familiar um things I don't like this car this Volvo rides
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the way I expected like the Taycan gts to ride and inverse that car is so amazing we can talk about
36:40
a minute active ride active ride but like the ride's the best this is a giant luxury wagon you know this
36:46
is the end of their wagon run and it feels in corners and over bumps like a sports car
36:52
it's just no it is not I think it's too stiff is it because it has big rims they're not I don't
36:57
think they're that big and it's not like it it shouldn't have a really hard sidewall
37:01
this thing rides like it has pilot sport cups on it you said that about the Mazda CX 52 I would
37:08
stand by yeah same thing like that car to me with this off-road image they're portraying
37:14
similar to this Volvo both of them I think felt like they had been tuned for canyon driving
37:20
but that's great for a car commercial but what people actually use this for is driving around
37:26
and all right yeah LA has the worst roads possibly in the country top five for sure no
37:31
certainly not worse in the country but they just suck they're in the top five or ten worst worst
37:36
race we go to Boston podcast tour and we stop in Boston or Philly or DC or any of them spots
37:45
no no no that shit's Philly is like fucking off-roading well they're pretty bad here but
37:51
I mean I drove this like east 100 miles just over small expansion joints and regular things
37:55
I was just really surprised type of shitty because we have the concrete and they expand and
38:01
like that's different like east coast they have like good ass fault but there's like potholes
38:07
to get from the plowing and the whatever well hard edges so it's like good but then there's
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holes you have to like avoid and shit here it's just it's there's less of the holes but there's
38:17
more we have a lot of that but just around the corner here there's a there's the sink
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hole that's happening in front of Chick-fil-A for sure and you need a truck for that no that's
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really weird yeah there's a couple space spots around this block there's a lot of undulation
38:30
in short distance it's built on a fucking swamp dude yeah it's all built on a swamp um so that
38:37
that was just a thing that didn't make sense in a car that is very quiet very easy to drive very
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smooth you know has great tech everywhere it just seemed really out of character for it
38:47
I think I hate to say it because Volvo wagons are like in terms of heritage like where it's at
38:53
totally but like the XC 60 is fucking that's a really nice car I know where the XC 60 loaded up
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with the wool interior and the nice suspension that is the shit yeah that thing rules yeah
39:06
I'm so about that I'd rather have that for within like five grand of this it's a little
39:11
we're just with 72 72 I when I specced one out because maybe Hannah one and one it was like 75
39:17
I'd have to look up the like storage but this has a huge trunk and I wonder if it's longer than XC
39:22
60 it is probably not taller it's a very long vehicle yeah it also kind of had old looking
39:30
the overhead camera display like the way it the way the graphic looked it had that little
39:35
rectangle around it and it just seemed old and kind of imprecise uh for parallel parking
39:40
I speaking of which uh I want to I want you to I'm gonna let you finish okay but
39:48
we got an email from somebody who works in the uh in in the industry in an industry and
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wants to talk about backup cameras and says it has sent me a very detailed thing as we're
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talking about the taikans shitty backup cameras and the Rivian being really good
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and had some real inside shit so I would definitely like to talk about that um
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you know the cameras were okay uh it was just the overhead camera that looked 10 years old the
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resolution wasn't very good um it seemed like it would be hard to to understand where the
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corners of the car were when parking and you know like the the gts that the taikon I just drove
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up here today the backup camera that is so wide angle that these women were walking maybe
40:33
12 feet behind the car and they look like they were about 50 feet away uh and then a thing that
40:40
will definitely annoy you and bothered me is the only controls for climate in this car are in the
40:44
screen you have to go into the screen no good for that yeah it's no good so it's a really nice
40:51
car and it's super comfortable radar cruise was fantastic the programming of that was good
40:55
oh but the lane keep assist is super aggressive you have two cruise controls and I never ever
41:01
wanted to use the lane assist because the the strength which with which it moves the wheel
41:06
and moves against you and it almost seemed to cheat a little right yeah and I didn't like that
41:10
well remember dude in ex 90 was the same the ex 90 lean keep assist was like yeah so to the no
41:17
that was a problem with this thing I know you gotta just love wagons and it's a great wagon
41:21
in most of these regards but like you said I you drive this and you go okay I understand why
41:28
SUVs are just so popular because it's easier to get in and out of little more ground clearance
41:33
especially this you know this whole cross-country movement like this was the gateway into SUV
41:38
popularity yeah and now that crossover like the wagon the lifted wagon was the first crossover
41:43
right and now everyone makes crossovers you go why do we need a lifted wagon no and now the
41:48
crossovers are turning into sports cars with the hatchback and true that's true yeah there
41:53
it's all it's all just melding back into you know and the sports cars are becoming off-roaders
41:59
like everyone you know everyone wants to do an off-road sports car now yeah so it's fashion
42:04
goes in cycles sports cars are becoming are the off-roaders have become fast SUV road cars
42:12
and now the sports cars are becoming off-roaders it's like it's fucking kind of crazy yeah well
42:17
would you say before the show like the the money right now is in film cameras and other
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cameras and retro players right yeah oh wow but look at these seats that seat reminds me of like a
42:29
1980s Maserati Quattroporte you know you picture it having like a big switch panel with like 18
42:37
toggles to move all them shits around there's so many man they were nice yeah that's really nice
42:42
but that seat when you get the wool interior is fucking epic yeah that's that's the best
42:48
seat in the game i agree yeah yeah that's nice clear screen though super clear screen everything was
42:54
really easy to use and if i recall this screen is pretty glare resistant yeah i didn't have i
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didn't have problems with that i mean the sun right now is like my driving route was mostly
43:04
east west so the sun was coming like from the side but i never had a problem seeing any of it
43:10
or using any of it so that was the Volvo v90 cross country v90 now right here so check this out so
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automotive camera systems this is from a gentleman whose name asked to not be mentioned but works for
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a major a major tech player in the team in the camera team at a major known tech company
43:32
says please please feel free to read below in whole or in part i was a camera engineer in
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the automotive industry a few years ago and worked for a supplier that supplied image processors to gm's
43:43
integrator magna electronics as well as hunday and honda uh we did not supply the camera system for
43:49
the corvette pdr but it was around the same time uh when gm says they wanted it to work at 1080
43:54
instead of 4k for longevity that's just translating we didn't want to upgrade our image processor
44:00
etc and increase the build cost and spinning it in that way i owned a tycon before and i could
44:06
say it is the most fucked up backup camera of any car i've ever owned uh what Porsche is doing
44:13
is to place the camera extremely low with an extremely wide angle lens and then they warp
44:18
and de-warp geometrically to get a normal looking image this is 100 accurate it's also why
44:24
anytime you drive the car in the fucking rain the camera gets super wet because it's just right
44:30
in peak spray and and then when the water dries it hardens and you actually have to like go out
44:35
there and clean it like with glass cleaner all the time it's so dumb uh back to the that was my editorial
44:41
in there they warp and de-warp geometrically to get a normal image uh none of that is quote free
44:47
and results in an exaggeration of the relationship of objects in space i don't know why they place
44:52
the backup camera almost on the go on the ground but it is the worst backup camera i've ever
44:58
used geometrically uh i don't disagree with this this is the backup camera in the tycon
45:02
does in fact suck um from an image quality perspective discounting the warping i'd say it's fine
45:12
i ship some abysmal one megapixel backup cameras for hunday or kia that make the tycon camera
45:19
look like an i max okay let's see hang on um automotive sensors are mostly made exclusively
45:26
for the automotive industry and generally have to pass a variety of extremely rigorous quality
45:30
standards such as and goes on to list a bunch of standards okay uh i personally tested cameras at
45:37
temperatures as high as 180 degrees fahrenheit and as low as 60 negative 60 degrees fahrenheit uh while
45:44
performing tests on the image quality effects of these temperature swings uh automotive qualification
45:50
also includes other factors like fault tolerance reliability reboot time and latency uh as to your
45:56
question about why portia's system may not be on the same level as rivian i will say it's very unlikely
46:02
that they are behind quote the cameras for the most part are commodity parts and likely portia
46:08
delegated the system design functionality and part selection to bosh and didn't think about it again
46:14
since it's a comparatively non-essential system but lead times are very long um and so uh it
46:23
would not surprise me if the tycons backup camera solution was using a camera i worked at on a previous
46:28
employer back in 2017 bearing in mind the tycon launched in 2020 rivian by contrast is less likely
46:36
to have uh farmed this out since they were designing a clean sheet platform in house
46:41
it's simply a matter of where they wanted to put the money and why certain features
46:44
should be emphasized i recall vividly that people were blown away by tesla's backup
46:49
camera quality back in 2013 it's just where the priority goes when you have an imaging team focused
46:55
on eventually doing autonomous driving and driver assist and you tell that team to spec out the
47:00
backup camera a whole team of camera minded people aren't going to deliver a crappy backup camera
47:06
but for portia they probably just don't put time or money into it or even just reused one from
47:12
another car that's my input and best guesses so pretty thorough explanation from that
47:18
industry uh professional on why portia's tycon camera is absolute garbage
47:25
even on the brand new one that we're driving right now the gts which i don't want to do a full uh
47:30
a full review segment on um but uh it's it's crazy that um this one outside here is 196 thousand
47:40
dollars and the one sitting in my driveway right now you could buy on you know anywhere
47:46
auto tempest fucking for probably 62 grand 60 grand maybe um and uh boy are they awfully similar
47:56
yeah i mean looking around they're very similar the only time where the the suspension really made
48:02
its presence known to me though you know right in front of your uh office if you say in the
48:06
right lane heading west there is like five or six undulations in very short it there these
48:13
like basketball sized little four inch deep troughs and there's like five of them in a row and in any
48:19
car i've been in you go over that and like it moves a lot this thing stayed flat yeah it was okay wow
48:26
that really impressed me because over hard edges it it doesn't respond to that it doesn't soak those
48:31
up it it it doesn't as uh i think it does about the same as the air suspension does over those
48:37
edges but i think the lower and firmer so set settings of the gts even with active ride and
48:46
um i think the maybe the wheel entire package also just makes it a firmer everything because
48:53
it's got the much lower ride height okay um because like mine is taller than quote normal
49:00
because it's a cross turismo and this is lower than quote normal because it's a gts so they're
49:05
pretty like far like this is like the lowest one you can get and mine's like the tallest one you can
49:11
get so they're not like tuned the same way but like the air suspension is definitely substantially
49:19
less precise than the active ride it was really there's a lot of dumb options on porches but
49:25
active ride is not one of them if that is available on a car that you're looking at which
49:30
is like all the hybrids and all the evs actually not all mccon electric mcconn doesn't have it yet
49:36
but tycon panamera hybrid uh have it now i'm sure cayenne hybrid will have it for the next generation
49:44
what is that option cost is like 127,000 seven seven yeah it's worth absolutely worth every
49:50
yeah it's pretty awesome yeah especially if you're leasing or you know you're gonna sell it
49:53
because i think the maintenance on that system who knows but i mean it's it would be it's
49:58
gonna be covered under um under all those extended warranties and cpo warranties because um uh with my
50:05
car i made very clear uh because my car is air suspension so it's still i was worried about that
50:10
too and they said air suspension is not considered a wear item and is is fully fully a hundred
50:16
percent warranty wow yeah so i imagine active i mean down down the line yeah third owner like
50:24
new shooter coming in i think you'll have a relationship with your hydraulic hose supply
50:28
salesman dude who the fuck knows um i think that i bet the pump like the motor the hydraulic motor
50:35
will be very very expensive it's not the there's one in each wheel right that's why it's there's
50:39
there's like six fucking hydraulic motors in this thing yeah no the opportunity for problems is
50:45
enormous but man but it does it does make the case for what you did which is buying a used
50:53
tycon because i got in the car this morning the seat felt the same as yours yeah the interior looks
50:59
the same except for the uh carplay button and you go yeah you can get a whole lot of car on
51:05
the market if you're not dry if you if you don't drive anywhere and you just sit in the cars
51:10
they're the same like they they are not different at all same seats same steering wheel same leather
51:17
same yeah it's the same yeah which is great i mean it just shows you how much value there is in buying
51:23
one that's a couple years old yeah um but i have we'll have more to say when we drive it more because
51:27
it's there are differences the suspension is different this thing has ceramic brakes it's
51:33
also got like 250 more horsepower uh than mine has so i'm not you know we should we should
51:39
go drive it fast sure that's about um it also has more range um this on performance battery plus
51:44
which mine does not have which is part of the reason it was so cheap but if you want to borrow on a
51:48
budget tycons are still fucking where it's at use tycons are awesome even this you don't need a
51:54
wagon rear wheel drive long range that's a fucking sweet sauce right there it's pretty good car uh
52:00
should we go to the people yeah do you have more i don't i don't have more uh not yet i'll
52:05
i had i had an oem person did you see the new whatever trump declaration of wanting to bring
52:11
the cost of cars down by a thousand dollars but they're also going to remove epa regulation
52:17
we'll talk about in the next show because someone someone messaged me from an oem and they were
52:20
like free folks and they were like because i did some math about it and stuff so i'm teasing a
52:25
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52:33
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53:46
about the duffel shuffle retirement club superb love it uh what what wagon would be the best to show
53:54
up to lemons right now uh right now i'm on the hunt for a ford ltd but i'm open to all suggestions
54:01
uh no you don't want the ltd you want the one that the fair is there a fairmont wagon the
54:06
fox body one i'm pretty sure there's a fairmont wagon that is a fox body that you that you
54:13
want to roll with that or you want whoa what looks rad i'll show you doesn't dax have one
54:19
that can't be real um dax shepherd has a sick one uh yeah that's basically it that's like a you can do
54:29
a thought you can do a fox body swap that's what you want 100 percent um yeah i mean you do
54:34
there's a lot like a volvo 240 you can put any engine in a volvo seven or nine series
54:41
you can put fucking any engine in so like v8 volvos all the time those are the rear wheel drive
54:47
cheap e46 wagons you could do one of those that's a quick race car the problem with like
54:53
lemons like you you actually want a car that's going to be dynamically decent like you're driving
54:59
on a fucking racetrack so i wouldn't want the ltd that's what i'm saying like what are you doing
55:02
with this giant huge thing like get us if you want to you want to drive a wagon like cool
55:06
get an agile one now it depends on your wrenching ability because someone was running an ltd at
55:11
button willow lemons but it was built like you know if you're a fabricator and you can build your own
55:16
you know stock car essentially sure ltd but if you're just trying to like get into it
55:22
i think you should start with something that's of higher quality and more sporting sure yeah um
55:27
nope i'm a i'm pro wagon in fact sometimes the wagons have better weight distribution than
55:31
in the sedans yeah the e46 wagon i think has better weight distribution um jeep of feces how bad will
55:40
the depreciation on the catalac celesteak be over the course of the next 10 years it'll be
55:47
something to see it'll be epic it'll be truly epic i think the question is will it outpace things
55:53
like my box or will it will it hold on i mean it's gonna fall like a brick but will it be
56:00
faster than other things or not what what is a used rolls royce specter go for because that will be
56:12
the that will be kind of the the benchmark i don't really know i have any traded hands
56:20
i have no idea what these things trade hands for i haven't looked but these are just like
56:27
dupont registry type stuff oh no now it's going to end up in
56:33
oh here we go dupont well i'll look at dupont registry 2025 specter oh then 400 all right so that
56:40
so a 25 is between 600 and 700 and then a 2024 is 400 with a thousand miles on it
56:50
look at that 689 to 399 with a thousand miles now options and things can be different from car
56:58
to car and very pretty wildly but like yowza that's a big delta in one year with a thousand miles
57:06
dude that's so expensive it's like four bucks a mile and this you know the rolls royce badge
57:11
is worth a lot it pulls up people respect it this the celesteak is such a unique new idea
57:18
also not as pretty from the profile of the back in my opinion that i i think fewer people will be
57:24
drawn to it than a rolls royce yeah so that's not going to help it wow yeah that's going to be
57:29
that's going to be a serious depreciation one move and moon units love that man fuck mary kill
57:36
people love the fuck i like it for a 20 year old maintenance disaster german luxury sedans here
57:43
we go uh 06 outy s8 that's the ronin joint 06 mercedes s65 06 bmw 760 li easy for me so s8 is the v10
57:57
right s8 s8 no that 10 back then or 06 yes that's a v10 right that's not the ronin one it's after
58:05
the rounded one with the v10 correct okay i'm going to marry the outy only because i think the
58:12
engine would hold on longer i would fuck the mercedes because you can put those straight
58:17
pipes on it sounds like an f1 car and absolutely kill the 760 yeah i mean same page and you don't
58:23
actually have to kill the 760 it'll just commit suicide yeah it'll unalive itself some youtuber
58:29
they also look terrible back then i don't know if it's a youtuber a tiktoker or whatever came
58:33
through my fucking doom scrolly feed of a of a content creator who who lost who spent like
58:43
70 000 dollars maintaining his you know mid aughts bmw 760 it costs him like i'm doing the ac slater
58:54
my back is a little fucked right now but um yeah he spent just all the money keeping these things
59:00
going they are dude they're fucking these cars are garbage yeah and i think they're very unattractive
59:06
as well if you want to old bmw 7 series it's the e38 or bust yeah right like who the fuck
59:12
who wants anything but a 38 or maybe if you're like if you're a super super bmw connoisseur
59:19
like when's the last time zak you saw a fucking 733 i like do you even i don't have to look
59:26
at what it looks like it's like from 1980 yeah oh this looks like shark nose it's a shark nose seven
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series yeah and they came with manuals like if you're like eventually zuckerman will roll up for
59:38
sure that's a prettier car they are yeah the e38 that's the e38 perfect design sporty shorty game
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on right yep actually if you were if someone wanted to like get some like neils van is it ready
59:52
pronounce his name the coach builder guy neils van royan the guy who built dario's that rolls Royce
00:00
wagon and he does he's done some pretty wild coach i just saw a picture dario just put one up of the
00:07
wagon right the rolls wagon yeah that's his ski vehicle but imagine doing one of these as a wagon
00:12
you could you could you could basically graft the wagon thing from the five series could work
00:19
yeah i do think the back of these looks really good too this is just a beautiful car it does but
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i think it would look i think it could work as a wagon yeah these are rad these are those are
00:29
these are kind of a guilty pleasure yeah yeah i think they cost i think they're
00:33
fucking horrific to keep going it's like the 850 of the same time right like didn't spinnelli
00:39
and then bought one for motor one i think as a project and he went oh my god chasing they had
00:45
like an electrical draw yeah and it cost thousands of dollars to figure out just where it was coming
00:50
from and the problem is with old luxury cars is they don't they're they could be beautiful they
00:56
could be interesting they don't they never drive they're never interesting to drive like
01:02
you know over a period of time they go you go okay you know kind of kind of done that it's
01:08
not like when a car gives you the fizz it's like it's interesting for longer and these cars
01:14
all old cars like luxury luxury cars have to sort of be on the cutting edge to be like good when they
01:20
get old yes they're not that interesting anymore because even a lot of them now you can get the
01:26
same luxury similar fit comfort in like a middle level whatever yeah like a new ish car can be just
01:32
as comfortable i think your Bentley was different because it had more of the unique fizz yeah it was
01:36
like a strange experiment yeah but i've sat in seats far more comfortable than that car because
01:41
they didn't know what uh you know bolstering lumbar was yeah no that car was that car was a
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unique experience i think it was it was a year worth of interesting for sure um but that's a
01:52
pretty extreme example of you know you got like if it was a 1991 mercedes s-class it would have
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been interesting for like two days you know what i mean yeah um it's because it was mildly ridiculous
02:06
with so the carpets and the fucking wood and all that shit uh will my homeowner's policy pay for a new
02:13
roof says um about to be 40 and i want to get a grand seiko to celebrate i know i should try
02:20
them on in person before deciding but do you have opinions on which dial designs are your
02:24
favorite uh is it worth buying in japan from a flagship store um you may be able to avoid
02:30
some tariffs by buying in japan make sure that you can go into the store because i learned
02:35
in south korea it's very difficult to do that uh but it's people go to japan to buy watches all the
02:41
time okay yeah i i don't hold me to it but you could probably call and ask but but people going
02:48
to japan and buying watches like is a thing okay um and it would be fun if you're in japan or
02:54
i wouldn't make the trip if all you want is a watch but it's a fun thing to do um i like
02:58
their their bolder designs i like bright colors i like crazy textures so i have i have a three grand
03:05
seikos but the the urban bamboo i usually just say bamboo because urban sounds a little weird but it
03:11
does look like bamboo-ish like reed glass which is beautiful cool and the lake sua which looks
03:17
like water they have a diver that looks like deep water like dark water that looks crazy um
03:23
but i mean uh and i and i really like the snowflake the one that looks like fallen snow i just don't
03:30
like titanium watches that's why i don't have one of them because they don't make that one in steel
03:35
but yeah they have special like limited edition stuff they do in japan and and and also while
03:40
you're over there there's like so much cool vintage shit to buy um but yeah i like the i
03:46
like the color the dial that you can see from across the street that's not for everybody but
03:51
more fuck mary kill from rage against the maki portia 356 jaguar e type c2 corvette this is
03:59
fucking cakewalk you marry the 356 you fuck the e type you kill the corvette wow i would marry
04:06
the c2 i would fuck the 356 it's never driven one and i've driven an e type so i could do without
04:12
it that's what i would do because every time you start the c2 it's going to sound good um
04:17
midship runabout two-seater long-time listener first-time commenter what are your thoughts on
04:23
cold starting old cars moving them around quickly and turning them off immediately is that bad for
04:29
the engine is it better to idle for a few minutes should i drive it if possible good thoughts uh
04:35
and if you read my uh how to park a car manual for uh westside collector car storage i have a
04:41
procedure for this as one says and um we never allow a car to be run for less than 60 seconds ever
04:50
and if and and only that short ever if it's been run very recently and or is a brand new car which
04:57
we have tons of basically brand new cars here also as well as old cars um for an old car
05:03
we run it for 60 seconds before doing it anything before moving it anywhere because you just want
05:07
it doesn't need to be up to temperature to move it around a parking lot but you definitely want the
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fluids to fully cycle through the engine before doing anything else um and uh ideally i let the
05:21
cars run up to temperature before shutting them off but like you don't really have to do that if
05:27
it if it if it gets to its relaxed idle you move it around you run it for a couple minutes
05:32
turn it off i wouldn't run an old car for 10 seconds um but you don't need to run it for 25
05:38
minutes or drive it halfway around the town just because you needed to move it across your you
05:43
know warehouse um two guys in the back of a lexus texas what's a lexus texas i think it would
05:52
be funnier if it was two guys in the back of a texas lexus uh that's not a copy but lexus texas
06:01
is an american porn actress oh in the back of a okay cool spell yeah so these guys wrote a space
06:07
lexus space texas got it but uh two guys in the back of a lexus texas also probably a movie out there
06:14
so we don't need to google that uh let's see i have the dvd at home uh camisa said on a recent
06:22
car mudgeon podcast that china is implementing a new regulation so that no car gas or electric
06:28
can accelerate to zero to 16 under five seconds in its default drive mode uh i think this is good
06:34
thoughts um i mean i i don't uh i have to be honest i that i don't necessarily mind that um
06:47
we already have regulations that make you go into a default eco the most environmentally
06:53
friendly mode anyway in this country um and there there aren't a lot of times in my life that i actually
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need to accelerate zero to 16 under five seconds so if i'm required to flake a car into sport mode
07:09
in order to unlock the amount of power if yeah i mean i don't think that's terrible actually
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i mean if especially because horsepower is so cheap and so computer controlled anyway it's easy
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to say in china no car gas or electric because their shift to electric is going to be so rapid that
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they're going to have no gas cars like pretty soon or minimal gas cars pretty soon um
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but like i'm not opposed i'm not actually that opposed to that um i think most people don't
07:44
really need to do zero to 60 in three or two or one second yeah i think it doesn't really it doesn't
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affect the user experience very much yeah like you said it seems performative in a way in terms of
07:57
safety like if most people aren't doing rocketing zero to 60 or in this case they're trying to
08:01
target on ramp speeds much anyway then like all right yeah put it along with the other performance
08:07
parameters like behind a sport button or something like that um says they're this is from
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inside evs says the proposal is part of a larger safety framework that would detect pedal misapplication
08:18
limit torque spikes and cut power that's a car suddenly changes speed too quickly so i just
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had that thought which is that this isn't something to keep people from going fast who
08:29
want to go fast it seems like it could curb uh some or at least curb to some degree unintended
08:36
acceleration from you know people that are older or whatever or cannot good drive i mean
08:44
it's one of those things where like the kind of people that don't even know their car has
08:49
a sport mode or some other mode you know the pedal slips and the car just goes ahead so fast
08:55
because it's so you know what i mean it's apparently there's been some accidents of like
08:58
someone drove through the front of the building um they think it'll help with like crowded parking
09:03
lots yeah i think zero to 60 in five seconds is still quick so if you misapply the pedal
09:07
now it's not as quick as 1.2 yeah um you still have to be very aware of it but like
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you know you'll go you'll cross in space very quickly but sure it's probably something that
09:16
that would reduce accidents and injuries across the entire population at the mild
09:24
inconvenience of car enthusiasts you know and not just car enthusiasts but like
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even if you have a really fast car like zero to 60 in five seconds is a full bore fucking clutch dump
09:38
launch in a Lamborghini Countach or or you know for our like a Ferrari Testarosa zero to 60 like
09:46
car magazine smoking fucking tire power like that's driving a 25 year old car 30 year old car like as
09:55
hard as you possibly cannot launch like that's going pretty good most people even most people
10:01
would probably readily admit that they don't do under five second runs to 60 in their normal
10:07
life anyway yeah i think you make a good point so if they do it accidentally while parking a car
10:11
that's what i'm saying then you know holy crap sure turn it down whatever uh borats carry piece
10:17
says uh i'm picking up a lot of business travel in the next year what airports when you travel
10:22
through them make you go wow these folks really know what they're doing what are some good airports
10:30
i think s well denver now has a whole new tsa section that's much faster and i think san francisco
10:37
airport also it when i got there it reminded me of europe like well france a little bit with like
10:44
they have a new tsa thing has like 20 different you know x-rays and stuff and it was just very
10:49
quick the trays return themselves like that's that was finally modernizing exactly that was very
10:54
effective i think what airports need it depends on like where you're going like we end up going to
10:59
europe a lot not asia so much um but like the airports in the middle east are like awesome like
11:05
those are the dopest fucking airports like like in dubeye and shit those airports are awesome
11:11
if i'm go if i'm connecting in europe i like to go through amsterdam that seems to work better
11:17
for me and my delta thing yeah i'd rather do that than charles the gall charles the gall sucks
11:22
unfortunately uh because the shopping there is very good but everything else about it is really
11:27
terrible um munich not bad actually you always have to take the bus right i got to the plane
11:34
there's just some things that seem to add maybe they don't but they feel like they add travel time
11:39
for my connection yeah yeah i don't know where you're going um let's see a second jz has hit the
11:49
supra uh thoughts of the toyota's g r gt will they be able to move them at 200 k i mean i think it
11:57
looks cool i think it does too i think it looks cool i think depending on how it sounds which we
12:02
haven't heard yet so they put a clip out it sounds like standard v8 sounds like an amg v8 or
12:08
like it sounds more like an amg okay it doesn't sound bigger than that i'll say like ls and it certainly
12:13
doesn't sound you know like uh s 65 okay but it all but it's not like a flat plane ev8 then i don't
12:20
think so okay um i mean i think it looks nice i i i i think the styling is good from what i've
12:27
seen uh i i really look forward to driving it it's gonna be pretty fun um i hope it's not
12:33
super duper heavy even though it probably will be um and i hope it's not so stiff that it
12:39
doesn't make a very good road car you want to hear you want to hear what it sounds like
12:45
it's pure violence is it really it's pure violence let's see
12:53
it sounds pretty meaty
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uh yeah okay revving it i think that has um
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yeah i think that has an amg-ish sound right sounds like in between amg gt and flat plane but
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from everything i'm googling quickly is not a flat plane crank engine um it sounds pretty cool
13:18
dry some yeah dry some uh i'm curious how like what it's like when you're sitting in it because
13:24
the hood does look 80 feet long yeah and the canopy looks really low um remember the lc 500
13:30
it's got the super flat hood and you like can't see any of it right yeah i hope it's not like that but
13:36
you know pictures make it look like it might be yeah but i think for 200 grand i think they'll
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sell them i think they will too i think dynamically gr and twitter kicking ass and that price is
13:49
pretty approachable for you know a lot of markets now so uh yeah uh vision 2002 says how do i scratch
13:58
the automotive itch when i feel too guilty spending money on anything but the necessities like what are
14:05
some cheap free ways to satisfy my automotive parts modification addictions um someone in the
14:13
comments suggested rc cars which can be really fun if you're into that especially the drifting ones
14:18
yeah but they're not cheap yeah is air quotes because when i i did it with quarry once and he's
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like yeah you can get started in this for like 600 bucks and i was like that's already too much
14:27
for an rc car right yeah so maybe you find a used one compared to full-size cars but not cheap
14:32
compared to free slot cars and shit too i used to fuck with slot cars and i was a kid that's
14:38
some nerdy ass shit right there but it is kind of fun you could do a decent amount of carding
14:43
sim i mean sim racing sim is probably the that's the best value for for dollar yeah once you buy the
14:50
stuff yeah every you know just amortizing every time you run it yeah you can you can get in
14:55
pretty basic for not a huge amount of money and just that one time purchase and you can do it
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all the time i mean and even so like you can fucking fuck with forts on a controller i mean
15:06
assuming you have a fucking xbox or a playstation or something like you can play car video games like
15:12
that but uh larry casillas power wash your car car detailing video game uh like you can fucking
15:20
you can restore a car i mean like you could find a shitty car and like restore it yourself or fix
15:27
it up yourself like true just using you know whatever i mean i don't i might actually make
15:32
money on that yeah i'm not sure what kind of budget we're talking about here but you could do those lego
15:38
like lego builds i don't know that's not really cars but um that there's a story in uh in rodent
15:44
track uh this month actually about this girl high school girl that just started uh rebuilding
15:52
carburetors and like got one learned how to rebuild it and then like within a very short
15:59
period of time people were asking her to rebuild their carburetors and now wow yeah that's rad car it's
16:04
called riley's rebuilds okay and it's like a girl and her family we're fucking rebuilding carburetors
16:11
there's not we need more people doing that so check out their website you got a carburetor
16:15
that needs rebuild go to fucking riley's riley's rebuilds you do the cobra oh yeah
16:21
so now they're doing like a whole bunch of carburetors so like maybe just like
16:26
figure out how to like there's a guy that like the starter the starter motor and alternator guy
16:33
in la who makes an entire living just fixing and you know replacing and restoring starter motors
16:40
and alternators this is whole shit and like just you could do that you might you would actually
16:45
make some money fast back to the future pretty good best northeast daily driver fun in the snow
16:53
at 10,000 30,000 and 100,000 100k i'll jump to f type r when it was all wheel drive oh wow once it
17:03
went all the drive throw some throw some winter tires on that and just make it have a noisy good
17:07
time 100k i'm going to say a 997 gts rear wheel drive manual on snow tires perfect better investment
17:15
no notes 30k subaru rst i yeah right yeah uh 10 k e 30 on snow tires yeah maybe wagon
17:27
so you can like throw some stuff in the back but yeah uh keel and toe there you go what would you
17:32
like to see from a mr2 or silica revival those are two different cars i mean mr2 you know it
17:41
would not be hard for toyota make a minute well i don't say that using the the gr corolla's powertrain
17:47
essentially flipped 180 degrees you could have an all-wheel drive mid-engined you know uh kind of
17:55
something something the size of a grm r4 and it could be an off-road sports car mr3 because it's
18:03
a three cylinder now oh yeah with the gr uh corolla's powertrain that's what i said as i'm
18:08
saying no you said that but the name could be gr3 right yeah mr3 that would be sweet
18:13
then that'll cover your silica all-track and your mr2 yeah in one get on a gr let's fucking go
18:20
watching my car get raced at kukwala i love that name that's pretty funny i think it's so good uh
18:27
oh at what uh uh oh success uh watching my guy at what point with the Cadillac celesteak
18:34
start to become a sales success given the brand's reputation i i i can't say that it's a failure
18:39
yet i have no idea how many of those they've actually sold yeah also i don't think they can
18:43
make that many they might sell them at a loss but see it as a success yeah like like bugatti verons
18:48
right so what number do they need to sell it at to make money that's one marker of a success
18:53
or is it just i'd say if there was ever any kind of wait list that would be a pretty strong
18:59
indicator for them that they did it right uh christie yama gucci main is an s2000 really a
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30 000 driving experience i'm seeing 150 000 mile examples going for 25 to 28 and i can't see it
19:16
being that compelling to paired compared to cheaper boxers and caimans um i think they're
19:23
cheaper to run and so that's at that price point the cost of running the car comes into play
19:32
and so people might be more comfortable spending 28 000 on an s2000 uh then spending more that much
19:40
on a boxer knowing what the the running costs are of that but and there's never been a follow-up
19:46
to the s2000 that's artificially propped their value they kept making it yeah they wouldn't be
19:51
worth that but it's like they're there's just that one and so there's enough people out there that want
19:56
them that want a miata that isn't a miata that it um it props them up and i they're known for being
20:05
dependable cars 150 000 miles for 28 k i would not spend that though and it's a lot i don't
20:12
know the only the only one i ever drove was like a full-time attack car so i don't really have a
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frame of reference for a normal one is that real let's look on cars and bits right now what
20:20
what are what are they actually selling for selling in cars and bids i i don't i i i don't
20:25
want to say i don't believe that it's they that could be totally accurate but um
20:33
but let's see this is yeah honey honey s2000 and let's see results bid to sold for
20:41
23 so this one here look this one 2000 this is from two weeks ago 2002 s2001 owner 49 k
20:50
six speed manual california stock sold for 30 that sounds good yeah that's a 50 000 mile not
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150 000 yeah let's look to the one to the one to the right of it that sold for 13 2 what is 13 000
21:05
dollars gets you in s2000 black on red that's a hunt that's a 200 k black on red 21 200 000 so
21:15
all right so there's your range right 200 000 miles is 13 000 and uh and 50 000 miles 49 000 miles
21:25
is uh is is what was what i said 30 it was 30 000 bucks for 49 000 miles stock a lot of car our
21:32
friend chris frizzales he's had one he's owned a bunch of sports cars and drives he's very critical
21:36
and a very good driver and he i he's not put up a post last week that said i finally understand
21:41
why i love this car and he has a yellow cr so i think if you fit because that's a big thing with
21:46
these right well yeah because the steering wheel doesn't move right so your knees get all are all
21:50
fucking weird i think it's a unique experience they look amazing but and they're reliable so
21:54
like that's why they probably command a decent price but man 13 grand for one that's a lot of
21:59
that's a fun car in the case of uh of this question um i don't i don't know if you're
22:05
seeing those kinds of examples i think i think this may be a case of asking ain't getting
22:10
him you may be he may be seeing cars listed for that sure but they're the transaction price
22:15
it acts if you're willing to spend 25 or 28 000 you're getting a 60 000 mile car not 160 000 mile
22:23
car which is a different proposition yes you know what i mean you're getting you're getting a car
22:26
that's going to last a really long time and it's probably been really well taken care of like
22:32
tunehound uh when is camisa going to learn his lesson re flirting with tesla and praising them
22:38
he praised uh the new fsd on twitter and then he got retweeted by one elon musk um but
22:48
i don't think he was doing that i think camisa usually well he's very discerning most of the
22:53
time so why is he using twitter uh i don't that's more of a problem with me that he's actually
22:59
like still using i don't have to ask him but yeah like i wouldn't what what do you use twitter
23:04
for except to get elon musk's attention the only thing it's for maybe he still has a lot
23:10
of followers there i don't know i would throw them away i threw away 50 000 followers like
23:14
fucking nothing on twitter it was great well and deleted all my tweet he praised the new fsd
23:19
he said it took us from this place all the way to our destination with no problems no strange
23:24
moves it made lane changes etc etc so that was his post sure i i i i believe that it can
23:31
do those things sometimes well i think i think tune how the difference between this and like the
23:36
cyber truck thing is in my the cyber truck he was like this is an amazing new version of trucks
23:42
and and it supposedly can do these things which weren't tested but the fsd thing he had this
23:48
experience he's reporting his experience yeah i don't think he's saying this is the solution
23:52
to all vehicles which is like how fsd is always presented by its uh its leader yeah uh man what's
23:59
what the fuck did we do we request fuck mary kills no i think people like it carls matzabal soup
24:04
fuck mary kill 90 homologation specials clk gtr 9 11 gt1 and mclaren f1 gt i mean obviously you
24:13
marry the mclaren there you go uh i would fuck the 9 11 gt1 and the clk gtr would kill me would
24:21
backflip into a tree yeah um okay hang on a minute
24:29
sweden lowe has a watch question and he has a healthy budget this is a this is sweden lowe's a
24:36
was a rico suave torn between a vacheron constantine overseas with the blue dial and the now discontinued
24:43
one with the white dial or considering a milgos Rolex of some kind mainly to wear to the
24:50
office where the attire is business cash it's a milestone birthday purchase can you think of
24:56
a reason the 4520 is worth the extra 10k over the other two yes i probably can
25:02
vacheron is considered a higher echelon of watchmaking than Rolex it's it's vacheron patek
25:09
and and ap are really up at the uh at the top and so the overseas isn't really
25:18
considered to be in the same level as a steel Rolex it's a step up from that so
25:24
now if whether you personally believe that or not is up to you but but they make far fewer of them
25:30
Rolex you know vacheron probably makes as many watches in in a year as Rolex makes in a week
25:38
probably wow and and if you like how it looks they are they are relatively stable price wise
25:50
milgos is are great it's a classy watch it's sort of if you know you know it's got that lightning bolt
25:57
second hand that everybody loves for your office the hentai magnetism won't mean anything
26:03
the color is nice it's kind of they come in a few different colors
26:08
and and it's again it's incredibly well made but why is one is one ten thousand more than the other
26:15
it's basically because it's not just because of the brand vacheron it's it's um
26:21
it's a smaller production it's a higher level of watchmaking um it some of it is the is the
26:27
brand um and it's just it's a more baller piece to be honest with you it's a more baller piece
26:33
and it's a little more if you know if you if you know you know um but definitely some folks in
26:40
the office if they see you if they know watches and they see you in a vacheron they know you're
26:44
gonna be fucking or you're on it my favorite vacheron overseas where is a chef eric repair
26:51
of uh the chef from new york who's very good friends with anthony bourdain he's in a
26:55
lot of episodes of parts unknown he rocks a blue vacheron uh quadrifolia o-face are you leaving tycon
27:03
gts sounds on no i turned off the sounds uh ain't nothing but a g wagon with montana plates i love it
27:10
that's a weird al yankovic song that would be yeah uh what's the best engine swap you've seen
27:18
within the same uh car family
27:23
so i've seen i like when they put the nissan patrol engines in the skylines that's fun full drag car
27:30
uh the top secret uh supra that had the century v12 and twin turbos oh yeah that was a century
27:37
engine right century v12 that's pretty weird turbos because that the engine comes from this thing
27:42
that it's like to carry your grandfather to the office and then you put in the supra and then
27:46
do 200 miles an hour in a tunnel right yeah that's pretty good uh this person their friend put a 1jz
27:54
into a forerunner that's pretty cool uh the dude who put the ferrari um they took a ferrari 360 engine
28:02
but made it like they they i don't forget how they set it up but it is basically uh a ferrari
28:09
360 block um in a dino like oh that's rad that would sound amazing
28:17
chris from colorado most overrated enthusiast car that everyone pretends to love but secretly
28:24
isn't that great to drive i doubt it's secretly i mean yeah people are pretty outspoken um what is
28:30
the most torque steer that you've driven oh you know what maza speed three maza speed three that car
28:34
was like fun at the time because we were new like i was new to this game yeah and i went it's fast but
28:40
like not great not great so much torque steer um e early wrx's just like non-sti like earlier like
28:51
regular ass wrx's kind of man they're softly sprung they're rubbery rubbery that's true um
28:58
most 1990s outies they look cool some of them go quick in a straight line they're all fucking pigs
29:06
they understeer terribly yeah um
29:14
you know i think i think like the new g80 m3 in the right environment it's great to drive
29:19
in any other environment it is too stiff super heavy and not that great yeah
29:25
uh metallica's in your oil pan uh with how expensive cars are these days do you think a company like
29:31
ford or chevy will make a stripped down no frills version of their top performing cars for the
29:36
budget friendly or for them to use as competitive race drift builds i think ford wants to sell you
29:44
a factory race car not have you build your own ford ford offers that the dark horse are
29:51
which is a turnkey you know i i think i think ford knows that most budget racers aren't buying a
29:58
brand new car to turn into a race car most budget racers are buying an old shitty car and turning
30:04
into a race car well there's also there's no way ford could sell you a 2026 let's call it
30:09
race spec Mustang gt and it's cheaper than you going and buying a 2024 and stripping it yeah
30:16
i mean they might make a fucking you know the cobra jet you know the stripped out drag car
30:21
or something like that and they certainly sell they you know many companies will sell you
30:26
a factory race car if that's what you want but i the problem is like i don't americans like
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don't like stripped out cars like workers you know work trucks and shit but like
30:42
like is that what is that what people want like the like a suburban that has like crank windows and
30:49
stuff is that actually what somebody who can't afford a suburban like l t or whatever wants
30:56
like a more a stripper version or do that does that person is that person really just get
31:00
going to get like an equinox with with all the things in it right isn't that kind of how
31:05
kind of how it worked or used suburban like i think there's also all these car companies the
31:12
profit is in the options you know because the base car cost them x so the more stuff they put in
31:18
there the more profit is probably in it so for them to pull stuff out they're making less money
31:23
and then like you said how low the take rate be it's a very small market yeah um yeah some more
31:31
okay uh picking up a bmw 230 i in the next few months should i plan on getting rid of it before the
31:39
factory warranty runs out or are used bmw's problems not as bad as everyone makes them seem
31:46
seem i mean first off if you're buying a used bmw that's still under factory warranty you
31:53
should consider an extended warranty because they probably have a pretty good cpo extended
31:57
warranty program that you can get if the car's still under factory warranty you could extend it for
32:02
some amount of money the 230 230 i is a lovely little car it's got handles nice yeah it does
32:08
cool little car um and based on um how i just treated a bmw2 series for three days i would not
32:17
be concerned with the dependability of that vehicle i can't believe the shit we kicked out
32:23
of this car for fucking three days aces well even didn't you say they've been running it for a while
32:30
and they just change the fluids and they just change pads and it just keeps going yeah um which
32:34
is crazy so um i would also refer it really makes you think about how hard you can drive
32:39
your own cars honestly um i don't know i mean you look at the forums you look at consumer
32:45
reports you look at stuff like that i don't follow the reliability of every single model
32:49
of car um but yeah if you're super concerned i mean eric dude my eric here just bought a g-wagon
32:58
he used one and he said they offered him you know the super extended warranty and they offered him
33:04
the super the free paid maintenance they go he was it was um a thousand a year for five years
33:12
for the maintenance and it covers anything that that that comes up that they might find and in
33:18
conjunction with the warranty the total thing this is like a two-year-old g-wagon with only a couple
33:23
thousand miles on g63 and um it was like 16 grand for five years of warranty and maintenance i was
33:33
like ask if it covers brakes you're a hundred percent you got to go in if it doesn't maybe could go
33:39
either way because brakes are like 14 000 on that fucking thing but a thousand bucks a year
33:44
for five years for all maintenance in a g-wagon i would take that is a great deal sure it actually
33:50
is a piece of mine is worth a really good deal yeah um i just bought a sensor that costs a thousand
33:56
dollars so a hundred percent garbage uh after years of saving and test driving several different
34:02
cars i recently bought a lotus of vorah 400 with 8500 miles from my 40th birthday congratulations
34:08
that's awesome that's a great car uh suggestions on mods to consider first
34:14
no why do you need mods just drive it just drive it you just got it drive it for like a year yeah
34:20
you don't need to do anything and just like just get to know it six months maybe i mean the only
34:24
thing maybe i would consider is an exhaust system that doesn't have that valve in it you know what
34:30
i mean because it has a very distinct on off yeah when you cross a certain rpm the only
34:36
thing i would do to that car is change it so that's just one consistent sound other than that
34:42
just go have fun just hammer on that car just just hammer hammer hammer drive it it's a tough car
34:50
enjoy it i saw a pearl jam sticker on a cyber truck and a little voice inside said what the
34:57
fuck i think it's based on 50 cents uh i took quarter water quarter water sold it in bottles for
35:03
two bucks coca-cola came about for billions what the fuck that's what that is drama two things with
35:09
came which came up on recent shows the weight of the 911 turbo and the question of substituting
35:14
an 18-way seat for a 14-way seat how much do you think the increase in weight of modern cars
35:20
is caused by consumers wanting more features and how much by regulation um it's probably it
35:28
could be equal parts i mean um i don't know i like i don't know what you know adding four airbags to a car
35:37
and larger structures how much weight does that add versus you know two zone climate then four zone
35:44
climate you know heated and cooled seats i mean those are all like different motors and different
35:48
heating elements and all kinds of stuff that's a great question it's it's it's both it's it's
35:53
definitely not just one or the other it's definitely both and it's definitely it's like a cycle
36:00
you know of of weight and features in turn dynamically you know you you you have the
36:06
weight from the tech and then you have tech to combat the weight right and then around and
36:10
around and then larger wheels and tires to combat the weight and then yeah so you know as the car
36:15
gets bigger and heavier well now it's got rear steer so it feels more agile but that's bigger
36:20
and heavier so now it's got to have stickier tires and better you know 22 inch rims but those are
36:25
bigger and heavier it's just like it's it's it's a circle it just spirals around yeah and then one
36:31
and a lot of times a lot of times like the regulation doesn't always lead like someone
36:38
invents something and then that something is proven later to save lives and then it is it
36:45
is brought in right it's not like the government said you have to put seatbelts in cars like Volvo
36:51
invented the three-point belt and that you know what I mean like it's someone invented a thing and
36:56
then the government decides to put that in a car like government didn't mandate a dash like someone
37:01
invented that shit and then they went you know what these dishes this saves lives it needs to
37:06
be at the corner a strawberry strawberry cheesecake watch question I have a fairly small wrist about 6.5
37:17
would the notice Canyon be too big for my wrist no I don't think so we designed that watch to fit a
37:23
wide range of do you know your wrist size act nope fits you I think it would look I think it
37:28
looks just fine ah, Johnny said he had a six and a half inch wrist which uh I didn't think his
37:34
his wrist would be an inch smaller than mine.
37:36
I have a seven and a half inch wrist,
37:41
This is the last two, three?
37:43
I don't know what that one means.
37:47
Gavin Sullivan says,
37:49
you often talk about how a car drives
37:52
isn't worth the money it costs,
37:53
especially with some high use prices.
37:56
Do you have a way to quantify that?
37:58
I've just driven some super cars
38:00
and they sure make a Porsche Boxer Spider
38:03
look like good value.
38:05
I mean, there isn't a real way to quantify it.
38:09
I mean, first off, if you're at a certain level of income
38:15
where you can buy a car
38:17
and it doesn't affect your day-to-day life,
38:20
then it's really about the overall cost of ownership,
38:23
not how much it costs to buy.
38:25
It's how much does it buy, how much does it cost to own,
38:27
and how much do you get back when you sell it?
38:29
And what's the difference between those two?
38:30
And you can only play that game
38:32
if you have enough money to park it
38:34
without it affecting your life in any other way.
38:37
And if you can do that, lucky you, that's great.
38:42
now we have to talk about the value
38:44
of a driving experience, right?
38:46
Now I can't just buy the thing I want
38:50
and hope it doesn't depreciate.
38:51
Now it's how can I get the most for my money in?
38:56
And so, predictably,
38:59
there's cars like Boxters and Corvettes
39:03
that are great value for money, and Miata's,
39:06
that are great, a great value, dynamic value for money,
39:08
and 86's used a lot of some mirrors, you know,
39:12
secondhand, and Devorah's a fucking hell,
39:15
yeah, and Elise's, all that kind of stuff.
39:19
But there is no, there is not a way to quantify that.
39:22
I think the closest I could get is
39:25
if you made a list of different attributes
39:27
that sports cars have, like steering feel,
39:29
steering response, brake pedal feel, engine sound,
39:32
like the things that you like about a car
39:34
and then you tick the box as you go down,
39:36
does this car do more of these,
39:38
you know, have more of these attributes or fewer of them?
39:41
That's the only, but for me,
39:43
it's such a subjective question
39:44
based on how much money you have,
39:45
that when people are like, this isn't worth 50 grand,
39:47
like, okay, are there other cars you can get
39:50
for 50 grand that do these things better,
39:53
you know, yes or no.
39:53
But if it seems like a stretch for you,
39:55
then it'll never be worth 50 grand
39:57
in terms of a driving experience
39:58
because it's just too much money.
39:59
Yeah, I mean, the way to quantify it
40:01
if you wanted to find one is you'd look up
40:04
like car and driver's instrumented testing
40:07
and you'd lay that against the cost of the car
40:10
and you'd go, wow, the Corvette ZR1
40:13
it literally puts the same numbers down
40:15
as the McLaren 750, I'm making that up,
40:19
but they are close, for one third of the money.
40:23
Okay, well, that is a way to quantify that
40:26
with instrumented testing
40:27
is really the only way to do that,
40:29
but that's not what you're asking
40:31
because I'm talking about vibes, you know?
40:34
And to me, the way that something feels expensive
40:37
is when you can feel a very precise engineering.
40:41
That's how you get expensive,
40:45
which is where if you're talking about
40:47
like it's particularly older Corvettes
40:49
or Mustangs or muscle cars or whatever
40:52
compared to Porsches or Ferraris or whatever,
40:56
you can feel the difference in engineering by driving them.
40:59
They literally feel sloppier and one feels tighter.
41:03
Danger Noodle, and then we're out of here, says,
41:06
are you pro or anti dash cams?
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Do you use them in any or all of your cars?
41:11
I'm like pro the existence of dash cams.
41:17
In general, I love seeing a crazy dash cam video,
41:21
but I'm driving a different car.
41:23
I'm driving three different cars a day sometimes,
41:26
and so to try to carry anything from car to car
41:31
for me is very difficult, so I don't fuck with a dash cam.
41:35
I didn't mount one,
41:36
because I just don't want to tear my interior apart
41:38
to hard wire one, but I would do it if it was convenient.
41:42
Like I might have someone,
41:43
the guy that wired my speakers,
41:44
I might have him do a V1 and then go,
41:47
oh, I have a dash cam from Larry Chen,
41:48
like just throw that in there too,
41:49
but now I have the image like so much stuff happening
41:52
Yeah, I mean, I don't like cluttering my windshield
41:55
if I don't have to, but having said that,
41:58
if I was me, but didn't do this job,
42:02
and I was just driving my car to work every day
42:06
and spent 90% of the time in my one daily driver car,
42:10
I would probably have a dash cam, I probably would.
42:12
I'd probably have a fucking suite of electronics
42:15
in that motherfucker, you know,
42:16
because that hard wire of V1,
42:18
I would do all that shit that I used to do
42:21
back when I had a primary car.
42:24
I had a fucking CB radios in my shit, dude.
42:27
I was comms ready, fucking ready to go.
42:31
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42:43
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42:45
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42:49
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42:51
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42:56
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