Paul Jr with Farmtruck & AZN | Street Outlaws Meets American Chopper

Speaker 1: All right, guys, well listen, welcome to the Paul Junior Podcast, Farm Truck and Agent.

Speaker 2: I can't believe it. We're finally kind of getting together here.

Speaker 3: Huh man, this is great.

Speaker 4: I think the last time we ran into each other was that New York maybe I got that upfront.

Speaker 2: That's the first.

Speaker 1: That's the first and only time I think we met, if I'm not mistaken, right, when was that ten years ago?

Speaker 2: Like a long time ago? Huh oh, something like that.

Speaker 1: What is it?

Speaker 5: What is an upfront? In your opinion? That was our

first one?

Speaker 1: Oh? Okay, So the upfronts, Okay, they don't do them anymore.

So the upfronts were just basically for ad sales. They

would just bring in the ad sales buyers, right, so everyone Discovery selling Advertising two would come in and it was a dog and pony show.

Speaker 2: All the talent would be roaming around.

Speaker 1: You'd see, you know, the guys from the different shows and uh, yeah, you guys were there.

Speaker 2: We were there. You know, you get all the ship ships.

Speaker 1: Captain Vanilla Ice, Dude, that was that was a big day for me.

Speaker 2: I'll be honest with you.

Speaker 3: I love that.

Speaker 2: And he looked great. He didn't age one day.

Speaker 1: You know.

Speaker 2: Uh yeah, that's pretty much what upfronts are.

Speaker 3: That was the last one they ever did. We ended

all that we were a team.

Speaker 2: They were like, we'll never get this group together again.

Speaker 3: Right.

Speaker 2: Yeah.

Speaker 1: It's funny you say that because I just did a podcast with Todd from gold Rush and uh, he was telling me a really funny upfront story about early on when his show started, he had to go up on stage and Oprah Winfrey was out there and he was like in panic mode, you know, because she's out there doing her thing. It's it was funny. But yeah, the

uprunts were big forever. I mean they did those and

we did like three a year. And you know, back

when American Chopper first kicked off, we were like their big show forever and that first like five year run we were we had to do all these things were it was like a big dog and pony show.

Speaker 2: All the time. But it was cool.

Speaker 1: We had We had a lot of fun and we were able to It's the only time where we met other talent like yourselves from some of these other shows.

Speaker 2: Otherwise, nobody sees each other, you.

Speaker 5: Know, don't you think that's weird?

Speaker 4: Like now, as like influencership and social media has proliferated, like it's it's common to see influencers hanging out right there.

We're doing races and stuff like that, and it's easier for you to connect with us like today. But like

for some reason, there was such like segregation for the television talent, right, like it rarely did you ever clap, In fact that all the universes they almost kept it that way, where they like, oh, no, don't be seen together.

Speaker 5: Why do you think that is?

Speaker 2: I'll tell you why it is.

Speaker 1: It's funny you say that, because I'm going way back because I always thought, man, I like these shows. We're

all on the same network, and nobody says anything that you like.

Speaker 2: You see each other almost never.

Speaker 1: They keep the talent away because they don't want talent talking to each other about what they're.

Speaker 2: Getting and not getting and things of that.

Speaker 1: Nature, right, because everybody's deals are so very different and they don't want me telling you what I'm making. And

then you think, well, our ratings are pretty much the same, and you know I should be getting And that's that's really what it comes down to. They don't like you talking,

they don't like you meet and they want you staying as far away from each other as possible that you know, do I have any proof to that? Not really, but

if you ask me, I really think that's what it is, because I mean.

Speaker 3: We were making fives and tens.

Speaker 1: At least nobody, yeah, at least every other episode, right.

Speaker 2: Yeah, So I think that.

Speaker 1: I think that's the case, to be honest with you, and I always tried to you know, it's funny because we are show kicked off I think in beginning of two thousand and three, so we were like one of the first talent for Discovery in this capacity, like the way you guys.

Speaker 2: Are, you know.

Speaker 1: And I remember early on Adam from MythBusters called me his contract was up, and he you know, I gave him all kinds of advice because I had a lot of experience negotiating with Discovery at the time. And ultimately

it really panned out good for him because he didn't know everything I told him, because I knew a lot because we had been through this, you know, big negotiating thing, and it really helped him negotiate his contract. So case

in point, they were probably right for keeping everybody away from each other.

Speaker 2: It probably saved him a few bucks, you know, But.

Speaker 4: I mean I wish when we started we had a you to reach out to, because man, we didn't, we knew nothing.

Speaker 5: We would we h we would have paid to have some advice, you know.

Speaker 4: So when you first started out, did you have anybody to call, you know, teeing you up to what to expect outside of an attorney or a talent.

Speaker 1: Oh man, And we were probably we were probably a step behind you guys at the time, even when in your early days, because I mean we are coming from nowhere, Montgomery, New York, nowhere, and we had no television anything.

Speaker 2: We didn't aspire to it.

Speaker 1: So it's not like we looked at it and tried to figure out, what how does this system work? It

just kind of fell into our laps, you know, and then here we are. The show just was so successful

so quickly. It just it was like skyrocketed because apparently

there was an appetite at the time for what we were providing and we didn't even know it. So no,

we actually filmed, we did two pilots, okay, and then and then we were into like our sixth episode and we still didn't have a contract with Discovery and the momentum was building, so by time, like the ratings were coming out and we could tell they were getting real panicky because they didn't have a sign. So we were like,

they we just the deal we did no one's ever done, because we were real bold about it because we had we knew at the time, I'm what we were bringing to the table. We were smart enough to know what

the ratings were. You know, we were already doing licensing,

We already had licensing going, you know, so all of that kind of went into play before we actually negotiated our contracts. So we went in pretty like confident, I guess,

and they kind of caved to everything.

Speaker 2: So our deal was a pretty good deal. So no,

we really.

Speaker 1: Didn't have anyone to go to, but we were just kind of like stubborn about it, you know.

Speaker 2: And that was good. But then it kind of like

messed things up for other people who came.

Speaker 1: After us, I did, because they were like, we will never do those deals again because we've heard that we listen.

We went back and forth with them and ultimately they wanted to own part of Orange County Choppers, right, and we told them, no, we've been around forever, you're not owning any of us, right, and then it would ended up happening as they came back and I remember the attorney's name. Her name was Lynn Sims Taylor. This is

who were negotiating with back then. So finally she came

back because they were dying to get the deal done because we could have went anywhere and the show was already popular, so we were not locked down yet, and so we negotiated a deal and she said, fine, the brand is American Chopper anyway, so you know, Orange County Choppers is just whatever, you can have it. We own

American Chopper. That's the brand. That's what's going to sell.

We said fine. Ultimately they had to come back to

us and give us half of American Choppers licensing, and we had all of Orange County Choppers licensing because they needed to provide us to give that The namesake of the show didn't have the integrity that Orange County Choppers did at the time because we were wearing the shirts.

It's like farm truck and agent, you know what I mean, Like you have you're your own brand.

Speaker 6: We were really didn't refer to that show as American Chopper.

Speaker 1: Well occ right, like think about it, and it's because that's what we wore, that we were the We were like the We were the authentic scenario that people wanted, you know what I mean. We were like the real McCoy.

Everything else American Chopper was okay, but everyone wanted the occ because that was like the team, you know, and so we you know, she was wrong about that, but who knew because there was really no precedent for that what we were, and we didn't know what we were. Frankly,

it wasn't like we didn't set out to be this show.

We were just us.

Speaker 2: Matter of fact.

Speaker 1: When I think back, because Jesse's show came out before ours, he had that Motorcycle Mania. It was like a like

a special, and it might have come out, I don't know, six months, a year whatever.

Speaker 2: We were building bikes.

Speaker 1: I remember watching it and I remember coming in the next day and working on bikes. I said, man, who

would ever want to watch us on television?

Speaker 2: I said this.

Speaker 1: Verbally to my father. This was a year before anyone

called about the show. There was no aspirations. I say,

this guy, man, he's got like sharks in a fish tank and these pit bulls are fighting, and he's got pay up sucker on his hand.

Speaker 2: You know, it's like it was like and I said to my father, I said, who would ever want to watch us on TV?

Speaker 1: Like we got no chance. We weren't trying for it.

I was just looking at this situation. And then sure enough, man,

once the show hit, it.

Speaker 2: Was I mean just.

Speaker 6: It was.

Speaker 3: Your show was a religion for gearheads. Yeah, everybody sitted

in religiously.

Speaker 1: Yeah we did great. Yeah that's great man. And you

know it's funny. Now I'm fifty one. This is going

back twenty twenty ish, twenty five years, right, and I get people coming in all the time, young people, even middle thirties, forties. Man, I'm doing what I'm doing today

because of your show. We inspired people to work with

your hands, be creative, be an engineer, be a welder, build stuff, not just bikes, but just build stuff, right, Like, exercise that creative gift and work with your hands, which is really something that is very I mean, it's just fallen by the wayside. The whole idea of being you know,

we're doing something for a living has become man, almost taboo in a way. I think a lot of parents

were like, I don't want my kid to work hard.

Speaker 2: Will you kidding me? Like, let him learn a trade.

Speaker 1: He could be a lawyer and still be able to sweat pipe or you know, work on a carburetor or whatever.

And this I feel like we've lost that a little bit, especially in this day and age.

Speaker 4: Yeah, but you know, it's easier than ever to act like you know how to do something right because we're given the education and the words, and we can visually see someone else doing it so we can explain it.

We can almost lie to ourselves that we could do it without physically making the mistakes.

Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. So how did you guys start? Because here's

the thing. Maybe you probably know a little bit more

about my background, but like farm truck and Asian, how did like that?

Speaker 2: How is this dynamic duo formed?

Speaker 3: I don't know.

Speaker 4: Oh, we you know, we started. It's like you you're building bikes.

We're racing cars. Right, We're still monking around, we're still

throwing parts at stuff that we don't know what we're doing.

But we're friends and we're doing it right, and we're we're trying to Uh, he's out there racing with the junkie old pickup truck and I've.

Speaker 5: Got my little Nova.

Speaker 4: But we're we're out there cruising the loop, you know, the local route sixty six, and we become friends after just you know, hey, I like your car, like.

Speaker 5: My you know, you like my car.

Speaker 4: We're gonna hang out, we're gonna laugh and then and then.

Speaker 5: Eventually we just do that. It's I tell people that

it's like, just do.

Speaker 4: Something long enough till someone notices, right or if they never noticed, at least you're doing something, well you have right.

Speaker 5: So I think that we were just doing it.

Speaker 4: Man, we were just wasting our money, being idiots, laughing at it. We were kind of the parody of what

street racing was in my opinion, like we didn't take it too seriously, you know, like but we were just throwing money at at noise. And and eventually, like after

what seventy years of just when every weekend street racing or going to a local.

Speaker 5: Track, the show. I think they were they had like

talent scouts.

Speaker 4: I think they got scouts at like Discovery and like the studios, and they're they're trying to figure out what the next singing is, you know, and they're like, how about these Retindecks and Oklahoma doing this street thing on YouTube, and I think they just they throw darts at the wall man and they buy plane tickets and they come out and they shoot pilots and I think they you know, probably make a thousand pilots and to make a show.

You know. So ours got thrown into that that lottery

basket and they said, well, we can pay these idiots nothing.

Speaker 2: And for free.

Speaker 3: That's what happened. You know, that was a lot of us.

Speaker 1: Yeah, so let me ask you a question then, because I'm I've you know, I've seen the show.

Speaker 2: I've watched you guys, uh.

Speaker 1: Not not this consistently enough to know like the backstory.

So so when you guys came in, was the show new?

Was it going and they were looking for more talent or were you there from the inception?

Speaker 3: What?

Speaker 2: What's how did that work out?

Speaker 6: Yeah?

Speaker 3: It was a brand new show.

Speaker 2: Uh.

Speaker 6: The story that we got they were looking to do a show on street racing, so they started searching the internet and everywhere they went it pointed towards Oklahoma City because you know, we've got a lot of flat, straight roads around here and we're about out of beer.

Speaker 4: Yeah, we were there from the inception, Yeah, we were there.

It was, dude, it would have been better if we would have like the show, we would have came in later.

Speaker 6: You know.

Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, right, people started getting paid, Yeah.

Speaker 5: Make make we had so we had to make the mistakes right.

Speaker 4: So we paved the way with all the mistakes we've made, and.

Speaker 5: Yeah we did. We didn't know what that. We were

terrible on camera.

Speaker 3: Man.

Speaker 4: That was the hardest thing to do, is sitting in front of a camera and give interviews.

Speaker 3: Yeah.

Speaker 5: Yeah, it was the interviews with the hard It was so difficult for us.

Speaker 3: Man.

Speaker 1: Yeah, man, I gotta tell you to be honest with you.

When I think back, and it's been so long now, but when I think back to like the first season of American Chopper, it was tough because I didn't have any I didn't have any and we had to do all these interviews, right because you know, you do all the pickups. I'm sure you guys did them too, right,

Like they were getting into editing and yeah, yeah, they do them afterwards because you got to like kind of tell the story.

Speaker 2: You're like filling in, right, So then they.

Speaker 1: Come back to you and you're like, I don't even remember that, and they're like, well, what happened with this and that, and so now you got to like talk and be on camera and like kind of be articulate and tell the story. And it's a little on the

spot and you're not used to it, so it takes a lot of getting used to. Now, you guys are

probably SoundBite machines, right cause you get like, you get refined over time because you do.

Speaker 2: They like beat it into.

Speaker 1: You so much that all of a sudden you become like, okay, hey I could do this. Like then it just becames

easy to throw the mic on and you're just like you're give them what they want because you don't want to be there all day, you know, So you get It's funny they kind of train you to be more articulate and refined and understand what they're looking for, right because you're telling a story via television in your own voice, in your own personality, right, so you learn what to be.

Speaker 2: But in the beginning, I'm.

Speaker 1: With you, man, it was like, oh god, it was like it was like torture.

Speaker 2: It was like going back to school, you know. It

was terrible, And.

Speaker 1: Tell me in the moment, yeah say it all again, yeah, yeah, yeah, you remember.

Speaker 2: Yeah, they want you to bring back the emotion. You're like, yeah,

I don't even care about that anymore, you know, Yeah.

Speaker 4: And then like it's funny, like the brain, how it puts it together, how you have to go you have to talk about the past in the present moment one month later, right, And then we all developed this strange cadence where all of us, I don't care who it.

Speaker 5: Is, what reality show to the mack, this strange cadence trick.

Speaker 4: Hey, guys, I don't know how we're gonna start this project, but what we're gonna do is we're gonna go and put it together.

Speaker 5: And I hope it turns out good.

Speaker 2: That's it.

Speaker 1: That applies, hey, and that applies to everything that you can put that in any damn episode, right, that works in every episode.

Speaker 2: You're right, You're right, man, I don't.

Speaker 5: But we all do it.

Speaker 3: We can't.

Speaker 2: It's like it's weird.

Speaker 1: I think I think we kind of invented some of this stuff a little bit.

Speaker 5: I think.

Speaker 2: Just think about it.

Speaker 1: You guys watched those interviews years before you got on the show with us, and we did all the thing about it is like after the first few episodes, Mike Rowe narrated like the first two Pilots episodes, but when the series started, they just used us for with interviews to narrate our own show, which was smart because it was more personal. It's it's in first person, you know,

all that stuff and uh and it really connected us with the audience.

Speaker 2: But yeah, so then that's it.

Speaker 1: Man. Now I'm micro and I'm building bikes, you know,

because that's that's kind of what it takes to make it work.

Speaker 3: You know.

Speaker 2: Now who was the producer for you guys? Was it?

Was it Pilgrim? It was Pilgrim.

Speaker 1: Yeah, so Craig Craig Craig Poligion found us back in the day. You probably didn't deal with Craig personally like

we did probably times. Yeah, okay, so when when we

first started working with Craig, he wasn't the mogul he is now because he's a beast now, but he was like it was a smaller operation. He had some success

some shows, but our show was like the juggernaut, you know, And so we dealt.

Speaker 2: With him every day and he was an interesting cat.

Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, no doubt, no doubt.

Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I'm saying there was no hr back then.

I'll put it that way, you know, really interesting. So

when did so how many seasons did you guys do?

Speaker 3: I don't know. It was weird because.

Speaker 6: Well, they were supposed to give us like a two percent raise after after for every season, and we noticed in season two that we didn't get that raise, and they were like, oh, no, see if you look here, this is season one.

Speaker 2: B oh yeah, yeah, yeah, that's the kind of stuff.

Speaker 6: We didn't get that two percent, which was like thirty four dollars. But uh, and we went on I think

it was uh what uh season one d or e yeah, before they said it was season two and we got that.

Speaker 1: So so I'll apologize now because this is the kind of thing I'm talking about. Where are what our deal was,

and then what everyone else got after that. This is

all the kind of stuff that they were like, oh no, we're going to figure out how to not pay talent as much as possible.

Speaker 2: And that's basically what you got.

Speaker 1: Because these lawyers were smart, they already had been through some things, and this is they put these this bull owny type stuff in there for you guys. You're like, oh,

the season two here we come, here comes the Rays and.

Speaker 2: They're like, no, one B.

Speaker 3: This is one B.

Speaker 1: It's not funny, but this is what they do, man, and you know they they're running the show and you can't.

It's weird because you're kind of at their mercy from that perspective, because you're like looking for the opportunity for whatever it's worth, and whatever you made or didn't make, you can see what it's afforded you. I always tell

people that, you know, I've had guys call me and say, hey, man, you know, they're just into like three episodes, and I'm like, bro, make sure your show is even going to stay on the air before you start demanding all this money. I'm like,

just ride it out, ride it out, and get there and see what it affords you. Because outside of television,

there's a lot of opportunities if you can have the exposure.

Speaker 2: I mean, you can probably attest to that, right.

Speaker 1: It's not just about the episode fees, it's the not yeah you get through.

Speaker 2: Yeah.

Speaker 3: So, but we were on for I don't know what eleven, twelve, thirteen years, something like thirteen years.

Speaker 2: Yeah, right, geez, did you ever get paid?

Speaker 3: Yeah?

Speaker 4: Eventually eventually, Well we Thred's you know, you get whispered, right, You're when while you're filming. We've befriended the film crew, right, Like,

we didn't have a few friends. We didn't know who

to trust. So we thought, these are normal guys, they're contractors, they're.

Speaker 5: Just doing it.

Speaker 4: Even though what they look like they're doing is magic.

We knew they were regular.

Speaker 2: Guys and they're just grinding it out.

Speaker 5: Yeah, that's right.

Speaker 4: So we befriended them and the audio guys, and we started like asking questions and you know that they're not supposed to talk to us and all that stuff worth of wall stuff. But eventually they would like whisper in

our ear. Well, we figured out how they got paid.

We figured out their cameras have to roll, right, We're like, they're like, guys, are if our cameras don't roll and record something, we don't get paid. But if we record

something a b roll something, we get paid for the whole day, right, And so we were like, ah, gotcha.

So what we did is we we always made ourselves available if they had nothing to film. That way they

got paid and so you know, we helped each other out, so we kind of got their good graces. But then

they they started helping us, you know, on when the cameras were off and said, hey, get agents. Hey, you know,

start talking to an agent. So that was probably about

the third season. Yeah, ish, you know, third season, but

they were like, hey, start talking to an agent.

Speaker 5: We're like, what does that mean?

Speaker 4: Though, we can't say anything else, just get an agent, right, And so at that point, once we got an agent, the ball started rolling.

Speaker 5: We went broke. Don't get me wrong, We went broke in.

Speaker 4: The beginning and went in debt and all that stuff thinking, you know, not you know, not knowing what how long is it going to last?

Speaker 6: But the thing about Street Outlaws is there were so many cast members.

Speaker 2: Yeah.

Speaker 3: Yeah, the pie they were thin slices.

Speaker 6: Yeah, but we're still grateful because it's we stood on a springboard.

Speaker 3: Yeah, and we're going places because of it.

Speaker 1: So yeah, And I would say, from my perspective, you guys are the most stand out duo of of all the Street Outlaws, I would say, I mean, I know there's some other names in there, but not like not quite like you guys, notoriety wise. That would be my

opinion of it from a not watching every single episode perspective, do you know what I mean? Like, I just think

that to me that you guys stand out. Plus your

dynamic is unique. No one else really has that kind

of ying and yang. You play off each other good.

You're like Paul Senior and Paul Junior without without the blowout fights, you know what I mean pretty much. But yeah, no,

it's it's it's interesting too because agents. So we had

an agent early on first couple seasons, and they did pretty good for us, and then eventually we just punted them because they we just had so much coming in.

We were in a totally different situation than that, so we didn't really need that.

Speaker 2: So they helped you.

Speaker 1: The agents were productive, They helped you get more money.

Speaker 4: I wouldn't say they were productive, but they knew what other cast members were being paid from other shows they had dealt with. They had a relate Pilgrim and Discovery.

They were a pretty big agency at the time, and we lucked out with them, so they knew our value before we did financially, right.

Speaker 3: Yeah.

Speaker 4: And then so that was able to at least allow us to quit our day jobs literally and film full time without.

Speaker 5: Worrying, right, because that was our main So I was like, can we do this for a living? Whatever that number

needs to be just right.

Speaker 1: So when you got the agent, how many fold were you able to get paid? I don't need to know numbers,

but like tenfold did they get you twenty fold?

Speaker 2: What you were?

Speaker 4: Okay, so it doubled whatever it started, it would double every time, right, and so it was it's just from there they would try to double it every every every new contract, they would try to double it with stipulations, with sign on bonuses. And now I don't know if

they did the same with you guys and the bikes.

They would give you a bike build stip. So with

our cars, they would provide us a stip that allowed.

Speaker 1: Us, right they were like, here's twenty grand for the project, or Tenny, here's five bucks. Yeah yeah, right, yeah, No,

we didn't have that because what we did, which is interesting, is we went and got the builds right. So, and

because I theme build like you can see the Yankees bike back here, we built for Pisada years ago, we were able to storytell through these builds, right, and so every episode, as you saw, whether it was for Microsoft or Cadillac, Mercedes AMG or any brand you could think of, we would build the bike and tell the story of that brand.

Speaker 2: So they were just they would we would do a deal with the.

Speaker 1: With the companies and they would pay us for the bike, and they would pay us handsomely. And then a separate

deal entirely was with Discovery, which was for the content.

And then a Discovery would have to approve the clients.

And if the client was like a national ad sales buyer like a Cadillac or Microsoft, after like Geico, they would have to come in and then not only do a deal with us. Right like Geico, they did a

deal with me for I did two bikes for them, Well, they would do that deal with me.

Speaker 2: I would clear it with Discovery. Then ad sales would

take over.

Speaker 1: And talk to them, and then they'd have to spend an additional I don't know million dollars across Discovery's brands, the different channels, even like TLC and all the other So they would have to do a big ad sales buy in order to be an episode of the show.

If they were not a national ad sales buyer, then they would be exempt and they would do the deal in Discovery would say thumbs up, you can make it for this brand that is not advertising nationally, and we were making content so that's how it worked for all the years of the show, so it was a little bit different, you know.

Speaker 5: Yeah, they ended that on our show.

Speaker 4: They were like no, no, was a hearty blurred everything out they could. They were gaff taping any logo whatsoever.

There was absolutely z Eero integration of sponsorship interest was transactional.

Nothing transacted. We could get three car parts if need be,

but even wearing their logos on the shirt, on our shirts and hats, that was a big So that's when we knew it was time to switch gears and create, you know, get our own brand going that way. If

we could sell that brand, well, that's going to buy us the car parts, right because if sponsors don't want to give and they're not going to give the sponsors the love the reciprocation, then we were like, well then we just need to buy it ourselves, and the only way to.

Speaker 5: Do that is t shirts, right, So we kind of switch gears.

Speaker 1: Yeah, that's great. You gotta get you got to get

creative with this stuff. You know, when we first started,

we were able to They were a little weird about that, but we were able to.

Speaker 2: Get like so much equipment.

Speaker 1: Man, that was ridiculous water jets, and like every we were able to really grow and make a better product because we grew from a techno logical standpoint.

Speaker 2: We had got se and C machine.

Speaker 1: We started out just had the We would go up to the steel shop and use the sheer and used all the basic cutting wheel grinder.

Speaker 2: It worked. I mean I built a black widow. Well, yeah,

it was cool.

Speaker 1: It was cool because we were just using like the tools that we had, you know. But and I built

a black widow like that with a little roller cheap oh you know, out of like, uh what's it called.

Speaker 2: What's that cheap place you go to get all the like cheap o't tools.

Speaker 1: Yeah, Harbor Freight. I was like this little Harbor Freight roller.

It was this big, but I rolled all the webbing for the black Widow on it. It worked perfect, you know,

So you like you use that kind of ingenuity because that's what you have now. I had a lot more

than most people because we had a steel business, but it was most mostly welders, torches and cutting wheels.

Speaker 6: Uh.

Speaker 1: But then as things progressed, we added the water jet, which was.

Speaker 2: A game changer.

Speaker 6: Man.

Speaker 1: It just time saver, reverse engineering stuff to make a plate and it just you know, well you do that by hand all day on the water jet.

Speaker 2: It's ten minutes.

Speaker 1: So that had been to me, that tool, right there was the best tool.

Speaker 2: It lasted.

Speaker 1: It was the thing that made everything possible from a time frame standpoint. For all those years, everything patterns, anything

you needed cut out, we would cut it out.

Speaker 2: And it was just so much faster.

Speaker 5: And maybe at some point you guys were done, you know, maybe.

Speaker 3: You were a little burnt.

Speaker 4: There might have been some some season where you guys are like, let's just get this done. Let's knock these out,

let's get a check for the episode. It's not going

to be great. It's like writing when the when the

music agency wants you to write a new album and you're burnt, and you're just gonna write a bunch of you know, tomato songs.

Speaker 5: You know.

Speaker 4: So maybe there's a certain point where you're like, you know what, I want to focus on certain other things, building the business. We need to make these episodes. They're important,

they're you know, a forty minute commercial for us. But

you guys were done working hard and busting knuckles. At

a certain point. Was I have a question, was there

ever a bike that you wanted to fail. Was there

ever a build that you were like, I hope this fails.

Speaker 1: No never, no, no, no, no no. Because for me,

like from a design standpoint, my identity was a little tied up in each one of those things, you know, And so I couldn't that would be me want me to fail, And I couldn't see that now back in the day when it was bigger, back in the occ days, maybe like the first few seasons like that was a little different, and then it got big. Like you talk

about Street out Laws, we had like thirty people in our shop, you know, and we probably had like twenty characters.

Now I know Street out Laws was even bigger than that, but for being in the same building, it was a lot of people and a lot of moving parts. And

then we were building a lot of bikes, and so just the on air bikes is the ones I was focused on because they needed me on camera doing the design work. But really, when the first few seasons were big,

and then when I went on my own, I was able to be my own guy and do my own designs and I don't do drawings or anything like that.

Speaker 2: I was just able to do it.

Speaker 1: The way I do it in my head with my team, and that's some of my best work, I think, other than the first season of American Chopper, the Senior versus Junior years where I was Paul Junior Design started building motorcycles.

That's some of the best stuff that I've ever been involved with. And that stuff was ultra personal, you know.

I mean it was because then it was like there was my former company OCC that I was invested in.

It never planned on going anywhere from I just figured I'd be there my whole life. But when me and

my father parted ways, which I would put that nicely, we parted ways, then I had to be my own guy.

So I went on my own and then created my own thing, but it was in the shadow of my previous company because I was partners with my father and that, you know. So then it was even more to prove

because here I am up against in the same show.

It was OCC and PJAD both building bikes in the same episodes, and so here we have like this ying and yang. So I was even more motivated, and it

was even harder because I had to like come out from under the shadow of what I created mostly you know, and that it is strange. Even the logo I designed,

the OCC logo. I had never drawn anything. That was

the first and only thing I ever drew that was anything, to be honest with you, And when we came up, my father did the name. I didn't like the name

Orange County Choppers because we had Orange County Iron Works as a steel business, and I thought it was uninteresting.

But then the letters lent itself to me doing the logo, you know, So I guess the point is when when I started my own, got came into my own and was building bikes, it was like I was up against a giant in a sense, and I got you know what I mean. But at the same time, the creative

in the design aspect of what everyone loved from OCC came with me because I was the catalyst. I was

the driving force of design and creativity on the OCC side, all that that you liked when you saw the me build the Black Widow, that that aspect of how things were done came with me because they couldn't go anywhere else.

Speaker 2: You know, I got you.

Speaker 4: You were always trying to fill some shoes that you were creating in your mind.

Speaker 1: I think I think so, or you know, first of all, I always pushed myself right. I was always very I

always wanted to try harder, do bigger and harder things, design better than the last time, even if that's not possible, you know, and push my team just as hard, push third skill sets, because you know, you're only as good as your team. And I've had a fantastic team through

the years, and so I have the ideas. So I'm like,

I'm towing the line, but I'm asking these guys are in here for a reason because I respect their skill set, I respect their opinion, what they have to say about things.

I wasn't like the designer who's like, oh no, no, I'm the best, stay away from me.

Speaker 6: No.

Speaker 1: I was like, let's get together, let's make this thing killer.

And when my sheet metal guy goes, what if we do this, I say, no, I don't think so.

Speaker 2: Or I say, I think that's a great idea. See,

because you're letting you you have.

Speaker 1: They're there to make me better and to make them better as a team, and we killed it.

Speaker 3: Man.

Speaker 1: So when I started Paul Junior Designs and the motorcycle aspect of it and put that team together, boy, we were a tight crew.

Speaker 2: Man tight.

Speaker 1: Even today, if I assemble that team, we could go up against anybody on the planet and we only need a small handful of us. You can have as many

people as you want. And it was that kind of

We had that kind of synergy and that kind of creative ability and engineering too, because you know, this stuff has to work. It can't just look good. It also

has to go down the road and be functional.

Speaker 4: You know, do you think that when you were doing the show and you were getting better at things, the content that you guys were creating, how important was the success of the show that you know, this goes for ours as well. How important do you think the car actually?

Was the bikes, the color, the build, the drama, or was it actually that you guys were good at telling the story or good at at least following a story arc from beginning to end. What do you think was

the most important piece that drew people to the show to keep them interested. Was it you guys evolving as

archetypes or was it the actual motorcycles?

Speaker 1: I think in the beginning it was just our rawness.

You know, the motorcycles were the reason for you to watch us, right, But in watching us, what we already were before the cameras came.

Speaker 2: Was what was great television? Does that make sense?

Speaker 1: We were already that before the cameras were there, So when they showed up, we were just us. Matter of fact,

the first episode, we really didn't think any of it was.

We thought it was going to be polished. We thought

they would never use our arguments or the back and forth.

We really didn't think that because there was no precedent for that type of television. Now that's all they now,

they want more of that than they could do with But if you look at even like if you even look at like Housewives, they're fighting over nothing and people love it. They're fighting over nothing. We were fighting over

like a build for a big client and there's a carburetor missing, and like the tank's not there, and.

Speaker 2: The bike falls off the lift.

Speaker 1: All these things happened in real life and real time, and the cameras were there to capture it all. And

this is what people loved about it. It translated. We

weren't actors. We never aspired for any of that. We

were just Joe Schmo's and I mean real Schmoey, you know, and we were rough around the edges.

Speaker 2: We really were.

Speaker 1: We were unpolished, We didn't know how to be otherwise.

And I feel like it resonated with the world in a sense, right because they were like, that's just like me or my father or my mother, or the relatability, the family. Dynamic relatability, I think was the catalyst. Certainly

the fact that the way my father looked and acted was big and I was like, he was this guy and I was this guy, and like Paul Junior and Paul Senior made a pretty magical situation. Without knowing it

and without trying, right, we were just this is who we were. And then in the end we had this

amazing motorcycle to show for. It wasn't all for nothing,

you see what I mean?

Speaker 2: Like we were.

Speaker 1: It was hard, we fought, we cried, we laughed, but it was all for something. And I think people love

that in the end, right, And then the episode would end, and you didn't want it to end, right. People just

was like it's over already. That Every episode we did

was pretty much like that. I think over time, things

dynamic changes. Success sets in success has a way of

making everybody handles success differently. In the beginning, it was

just well raw and us and trying, and we're like, here's our opportunity, let's just go and do it. And

then over time, you know, the success sets in and people come and go out of your lives. Right, Different

people come into the company go out of the company.

So I think that changes the dynamic a little bit.

But overall, I would say the combination of like American ingenuity and building these really cool things and family dynamic, I think that was the big I think that was the big powerhouse and it really created staying power. And

even when I look at the audience now out there, our fan base is so loyal because they grew up with us. It wasn't like you know what I mean,

It wasn't like two seasons or they literally grew up with me. I look at these first episodes and I

was a young, round faced, twenty something year old kid, you know, and this is whatever room remembers. Now they

have Now these people that were my age at the time, they have five kids, and they're successful in their career and they're moving on in life, but they remember these these years of American Chopper.

Speaker 3: You know, I gotcha.

Speaker 4: Yeah, that's it's interesting to see just the progression and in the question mark above it all of what makes it all successful.

Speaker 5: But I think that's a good explanation.

Speaker 2: Yeah, that's all I could come up with anyway. So

what are you guys up to now? Like, what's what's new? Where?

Speaker 5: You know?

Speaker 2: Where are you at now?

Speaker 1: I saw something with this this airstream sticking out of a building somewhere or something like that.

Speaker 6: We're working on a museum on Route sixty six right here in Bethany, Oklahoma, which is pretty much Oklahoma City, Okay.

Speaker 3: And we're going to have all of our builds in there.

Speaker 6: It'll be a place where people can stop and they can see all of our stuff.

Speaker 1: Yeah.

Speaker 4: You know, at a certain point, if you know you're making content, you're doing YouTube. We're doing the same thing

we're staying present with with just being relevant. And at

a certain point, you know, you need you need a brick and mortar, you need you know, people need to physically.

Speaker 5: Be able to say that you exist.

Speaker 4: And if they have any you know, vested interest in your journey, they want to vote for you, you know, they want to come by and put their name in the ballot.

They want to be able to say I was here, you know, I was able to touch the bricks, you know, And so I think for the for many of the reasons why you guys saw the potentiality of oh the you know, you guys were building that giant. You guys

had a freaking twenty thousand square feet lined with see and C machines.

Speaker 2: You know, it.

Speaker 4: Was you guys saw what it could become and you were developing that. Whereas you know, we know that we

were a slice of the pie of the show.

Speaker 3: We weren't the whole show.

Speaker 4: We're not Richard Rawlings, one guy with right right, So we have to kind of carve our own physical embodiment of what we thought we saw. And so we're going

to try to bring that to our small town and maybe do like local car shows dragon drives.

Speaker 5: But it's kind of our bat cave. It's our ability

to say, hey.

Speaker 4: We're open to the polk. Now you can see what

we did. You know, all bets are off, come by

check it out. So that's our opportunity.

Speaker 3: Yeah. Route sixty six is one hundred years old this year,

and we know that a lot of world travelers come.

They rent bikes, sure, they try to get.

Speaker 6: Classic cars, and they cruise from Chicago to La or La to Chicago, and they'll be driving fifty feet past our front door. So we welcome all those people to

stop in and see the dung beetle and the farm truck and occasionally we might even be there.

Speaker 2: Where. So are you guys open yet to the public

or not yet?

Speaker 3: No, it'll be March first.

Speaker 2: Okay, March first of this year.

Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, what's We have our firehouse that we filmed out of.

Speaker 4: It's still open, but man, it's so small and it's no parking, and you know how it is. I'm sure

your situation is in a place where it's like I wish I had a bigger park a lotta.

Speaker 6: It's one block off to Route sixty six, but a lot of people can't find it.

Speaker 2: Yeah, so so what's the address?

Speaker 6: Oh well, this is gonna seventy eight to twenty four northwest thirty ninth Expressway, Bethany, Oklahoma.

Speaker 3: That's right on Route sixty six.

Speaker 7: He can already put it on the internet and people are stopping by, but I'm like the only one working on it. My friends stopped by on the weekends and

they help me, and uh, anyway, I don't mind them stopping by, but if I'm going to make that March one.

Speaker 2: Yeah, they got to stop talking your ear off.

Speaker 3: That's right.

Speaker 6: That's right after March one, and you'll be able to see something more than a guy in there working by himself.

Speaker 5: Yeah.

Speaker 2: So, how many square feet is that place?

Speaker 3: It's four thousand.

Speaker 2: It's nice. That's good, it's good.

Speaker 6: Yeah.

Speaker 3: It used to be a mechanic shop and we're just getting by with what we got.

Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, honestly do what you know.

Speaker 1: Look as long as you got your your or the things that you built in there, right, and a little bit of something or other some merchandise. I mean, that's

a great stopover off of Route sixty six, I think.

I mean, I don't know what else is out that way, but uh, I think a lot of people would love to come in there and check it out. It's a

perfect fit for that type of thought process.

Speaker 2: If you're on a bike or on Route sixty six, it's just one.

Speaker 3: Sucks from Chicago to LA we're right in the middle.

Stop in and see we got but their BUCkies? Yeah

there is.

Speaker 2: You got a bucket? Yeah yeah, yeah. BUCkies is a

hard one to compete with.

Speaker 1: By the way, Uh so are you guys going to do any kind of like advertising out there or billboards or anything off of Roots. Is that is that a

doable scenario or can you get it?

Speaker 4: I think, you know, in the beginning, we're just going to be able to see how well the online attention can be.

Speaker 5: We've got multiple different.

Speaker 4: Sign posts that already permitted in there are locations where we could do digital billboards because I don't you know, the ones that sit up.

Speaker 5: There and fade in color for a while.

Speaker 4: You know, he's like, oh yeash, you know those are disgusting and they cost fifteen hundred a month.

Speaker 5: It's just you know, it doesn't seem like you're throwing money into the air.

Speaker 4: But the digital ones you can flash, and so there's many opportunities to let people know where we're at, out of town ors things of that nature.

Speaker 5: But literally, if they cruise rout sixty six, there's nothing out here.

Speaker 4: I mean it's sad, really, I mean, this is an authentic piece of Roots six six, not just the you know, a slideover, and it's they won't be able to miss us.

Speaker 6: But yeah, well, after I get all my junk out there, it's gonna look like maybe it's Salvagar that a.

Speaker 3: Bomb hit, because that'll be all kinds of stuff out there.

Speaker 6: But there's all kinds of other places to stop at on Route sixty six.

Speaker 8: Tulsa's got a lot going on, and uh, there's a lot of small museums and but interesting enough, Oklahoma has more miles of Route sixty six than any other state, and it also has more original road.

Speaker 3: Than any other state.

Speaker 2: Really, so you can you.

Speaker 6: Can actually drive on the original nineteen twenty six concrete.

Speaker 2: Really. Wow, that's kind of cool.

Speaker 1: So what is the name of your place out there?

What's you calling it something? Is there a namesake?

Speaker 5: You know what?

Speaker 4: It's so difficult to name because it's like it's you got to tell them what it is, Like.

Speaker 5: It's a museum. Okay, it's like, well, whose museum is it?

Speaker 3: Well, damn it.

Speaker 5: There's two guys involved in the business. It's farm truck

and Asian. And then it's like, well, you got to

kind of tell what it is, you know.

Speaker 4: So it's like farm truck and Asians, Route sixty six museum, right, So it's uh, yeah, we're.

Speaker 3: Trying to make the name longer.

Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's only five sentences. Oh well, listen, you

definitely got to use your namesakes in it, because you'd be hurting yourself if you if you didn't, you know, I.

Speaker 2: Mean, it could just I don't know. Yeah, you got

to keep it short. You're right, it was going to

be it was going to.

Speaker 5: Be farm truck and Asians garage.

Speaker 4: But if you take that act, it doesn't.

Speaker 2: Work out, gotcha. Yeah, yeah, let's not use that.

Speaker 5: We got the first order shirt thing, got it.

Speaker 1: We're only using the acronym. Well, listen, I think it's great.

Uh yeah, I would do that farm truck and Asians Route sixty six.

Speaker 2: I like that.

Speaker 6: Man.

Speaker 2: The Root sixty six thing is so Americana.

Speaker 1: I mean, I collect all this early transportation in Americana and it all it's all Root sixty six ish, you know.

It just screams of one hundred years of America in the open road.

Speaker 2: So I think you got a good thing going there.

I'll come see.

Speaker 3: Yeah.

Speaker 2: I'd love to come out that way and visit, you know.

Speaker 3: Yeah, ring a bike.

Speaker 2: Yeah, that that's what we got to do. We should.

Speaker 3: We should just get that mopeds out.

Speaker 4: Yeah.

Speaker 2: How many mile stretches that through Oklahoma? There? Do you

know how many miles of Route sixty six.

Speaker 3: I couldn't tell you is three hundred.

Speaker 2: So yeah, okay, I'll do.

Speaker 1: Like ten of those miles, you know, especially on the original right, we'll knock the kidneys off of you.

Speaker 4: Yeah cool, all right, well man, yeah, you're definitely invited out.

Speaker 5: I know it's a stretch and you're you're a busy guy, but it be be.

Speaker 2: Awesome to happen, do you guys? So is that your

grand opening date for it? Is that March date?

Speaker 5: Grand openings always happened a little yeah.

Speaker 2: Like in the fall, like in the fall maybe or something.

Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, well, after you got it all kind of polished up and fine tuned, Yeah.

Speaker 6: We want to get our sign up and that's going to be complicated probably it's.

Speaker 3: Going to take three or four months to build all that going to be a horse.

Speaker 5: With a neon around it.

Speaker 3: Yeah, just borrow this one.

Speaker 2: I got to ship this out.

Speaker 3: Fancy what we got.

Speaker 1: Will they let you put a sign up on the road, like, but like, are you down the street? Is that where

you're you're like a block off of six.

Speaker 6: We did put a sign up, and they'll let you keep a sign if you pull a permit, which.

Speaker 3: We did not do. And we were reprimanded.

Speaker 6: I don't know within what two or three hours of us getting up.

Speaker 3: Anyway, we haven't had a sign in a while.

Speaker 2: Did they make it take it down?

Speaker 1: Yeah? Oh yeah, yeah, you can't do that.

Speaker 3: Guys street outlaws.

Speaker 2: What do you do exactly?

Speaker 3: Yeah?

Speaker 2: Ticket? Do they like you guys out there? Are they friendly?

Speaker 3: They do?

Speaker 1: They love what you've done for kind of like the area or you know, you represent them.

Speaker 4: They did it first, right like they? Oh no, because

of the outlaw name. Really one thing I could probably

change if we were to go back where it's like, it's renegotiate that name.

Speaker 5: I mean, I get it.

Speaker 2: It worked, it did, but did it hurt you a little bit?

Speaker 5: It hurt it.

Speaker 6: It hurted a lot and a lot of people didn't want to be involved because of street racing and the outlaw name.

Speaker 5: That's right.

Speaker 1: Have you found that to be difficult even with sponsorships after the fact or yeah? Yeah.

Speaker 4: Corporate corporate dollars never touched it ever, There was never a corporate check written. They just didn't want to be

involved in it whatsoever. And still to this day they

they are grateful to hear that we are no longer using the outlaw name. In fact, and we've actually you know,

partnered up with a few more companies because of that.

Speaker 5: You know, some of the.

Speaker 4: Organizations in hr A wanted nothing to do with any of the guys, and now they're you know, opening the doors up again. And it's like, so, yeah, that outlaw name,

it definitely it. It got us here, but it didn't

help any of the guys careers financially.

Speaker 2: Yeah, it was a little sensational, that's right. Yeah, I could.

I could see that.

Speaker 1: You know, coming from the background of Leverage my brand for stuff like that and having pretty pretty great success through the years, I know how sensitive these brands are, so they get weird about little things, never mind street racing and the word outlaw. You know, it's like, well,

we can't we We love you guys, but you know, we can't sponsor you because it would be irresponsible from.

Speaker 2: A marketing standpoint. You know.

Speaker 1: But now you're kind of distanced from there. But and

your celebrity is still you still have the same notoriety.

It's just not associated directly with that show anymore. So

that's good, right, that's correct.

Speaker 5: Yeah, that's right.

Speaker 4: And you know, I mean I'm sure at a certain point your core audience stays with you and those that were just watching you for the for the rhetoric. You know,

everybody goes their separate ways. They find their new show

that they like and they kind of go. But your

core audience that really appreciated what you did and you know, they come up to you, I'm sure and just say.

Speaker 1: Hey you yeah, yeah, yeah, because you had an impact act on them.

Speaker 2: That's why. Yeah, they liked that.

Speaker 5: That's cool.

Speaker 4: And so I think that stays, like you're saying, you know, they grew up with you and uh, and.

Speaker 5: That's that's why we're doing this.

Speaker 4: We know that core audience is still out there and with you know the proliferation of YouTube and stuff like that, you're you're making new ones. There's a kid that turns

sixteen every day.

Speaker 2: Yep, yeah, that's true.

Speaker 1: So when you guys, are you guys doing anything, You guys are doing your YouTube channel?

Speaker 2: Right?

Speaker 1: What is your YouTube channel for people out there if they want to come find it?

Speaker 5: Really just one word farm truck and asy in.

Speaker 2: I'm talking okay cool.

Speaker 4: And then this is the podcasting things that new for for me.

Speaker 1: Yeah, I've been doing it maybe about a year now and it's been. You know, it's picking up steam. I'm

getting better. I'm getting better guests, like you guys I did,

I did, uh me and my brother did one. I

mean we did a bunch of ones with some American chopper guys which did really well because it's right in our wheelhouse. And I just did one with Todd from

gold Rush like last week. And so I'm picking up

now because I'm doing them like this. It's hard to

get people to come to your place, you know, I'm in Jersey now and it's like it's too much logistically, So I'm going to just do them like this. Look,

we're having great conversations technologies there. I was trying to

get more in person, but I'll be waiting forever, you know, so I got to get I gotta get it off the ground. I got so many people that I've met,

the interesting people, celebrities, athletes, musicians through the years that I'm gonna have on. So I think that, you know,

I'm just gonna keep building it.

Speaker 2: I enjoy it. I like having these conversations.

Speaker 1: It gets us together, you know, otherwise we haven't spoken quite some time, and I you know, you get to be able to get caught up a little bit, you know, I'd.

Speaker 3: Agree that's right.

Speaker 5: Oh, there was there was a reboot.

Speaker 4: I think we heard it through our film career at the time, that that you guys were going to do a reboot. Maybe, man, it might have four years ago,

it might have been shortly after twenty twenty or before twenty, but you guys they were thinking about bringing it back.

Speaker 5: Was that a conversation? Was that just a rumor?

Speaker 1: No, you were in and around that time there was a conversation. But you know, networks are so strange now,

even like Discovery and ever content is you know how it is, man Like when we first started, it was Discovery Channel, it was nine o'clock, it was Monday night.

If you didn't watch us then and there, you didn't, you miss the show. Now there's a million channels and

a lot of the streaming has really cut in on the advertising on traditional channels like Discovery Channel and History and all these guys, like they just don't have the advertisers they had at one time, so then they don't have the budgets for the shows, and then it's like a trickle down. So I don't know, man, I feel

like a lot of these traditional networks are kind of like shrinking back year after year, and it's been going on for probably a decade now. But now with streaming,

I mean, I'll be honest with you, I don't really even watch cable anymore.

Speaker 2: I just I don't even barely watch TV. But if

I do, I'll put a movie on one of the streaming channels. That's it. That's no, that's it. I don't

watch the news. Let's face it. Everything you get is

on your phone anymore.

Speaker 5: That's right.

Speaker 3: You have to pay for cable and YouTube is free on your phone.

Speaker 2: That's right. That's right.

Speaker 1: And so this this will be on YouTube as well.

My channel is not nearly as big. You guys have

a great channel. It's built up. You've got quite a

few followers. I'm working towards that. You know, you got

good numbers, man, you really do. I think people should

pay more attention to you guys and spend more money doing some advertising and maybe do some you know you got you need some big brands to come alongside and do some sponsorships that are good. These people should stop

being so stuffy and starts throwing money at you.

Speaker 4: We appreciate you, man, Thanks for the positivity and pushing through this thing. And you've always been a welcoming voice

in this uh you know, in this landscape, and uh we we you've always taken our phone call and been able to We've been able to reach out to you.

And Pops too, man, seniors, he's been cool to us.

I know you guys have your own whatever's and that's fine.

You're two separate people and we, you know, we keep it that way. We know that y'all aren't enjoined at

the hip and you don't live with each other, and you know, every day is different. So we just appreciate

you too. And hell, we grew up watching you too

in a way, right, yeah, yeah, your career, We grew up watching you.

Speaker 3: Guys. We should get together and do something sometime.

Speaker 2: Yeah, so we should. Let's talk about that because man, maybe.

Speaker 1: Uh some kind of build would be good. I think

people would go nuts for that. Uh you know, I

don't know what, but maybe, ah, I don't know, man, maybe a farm truck in Asian bike or something like that.

Speaker 2: I don't know, you know, I thought that's right. I

like it.

Speaker 3: Asian can ride a bike, but it makes me nervous.

Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, so maybe my side car thing might be good, you know. On a serious note, we should probably let's

think about something that makes sense that we could do together, because that would be fun. Man. I think, first of all,

I think people would love to see that, and I think it would be like it would be a fun like coming together of these two worlds to create something kind of cool and interesting, you know.

Speaker 5: I don't know.

Speaker 3: Maybe we could race, you know, build something.

Speaker 1: Yeah, I like that, man, I'll watch you guys race.

I'm not racing anything, man, I don't want I'm fifty one.

I don't want to crash something getting old.

Speaker 4: Now, you know, you can collab on something, and maybe we're building a bike and we we got some you know, some PJ designs on there, you know.

Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, let's talk about I'll tell you what we could do is we could probably get a sponsor to come in and dump some money in it, because that's how we roll, bro. So if we're doing something,

we're bringing some company in, it's got lots of deep pockets that are gonna I think that's how we do it, man, something like that, because I think a collaboration, like a serious collaboration where we create something unique would be worth bringing someone in to say, Okay, we're gonna put the bill on.

Speaker 2: This, and then we put it on the YouTube channel.

I mean, what the heck? I think I think it

would fly, you know?

Speaker 5: Yeah?

Speaker 3: Oh yeah, man, So.

Speaker 4: We got well, when the dust settles around here, we got the easy part out of the way.

Speaker 5: We'll we'll do something with you.

Speaker 1: Now, are you guys gonna be able to build out of that facility? There is that gonna be like or

is that going to be more of a museum or it's.

Speaker 3: Just a museum over? Okay, there's not going.

Speaker 2: To be room for doing any work, gotcha.

Speaker 3: Okay, but we got a small shop that we could get something done in.

Speaker 4: Yeah, we got a separate place where we actually do the work.

Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, man, I like the back cave. Okay, cool,

so we we.

Speaker 5: Can handle it.

Speaker 4: We've got equipment, welders, lifts, grinders, tables, nothing's automated, but it's all here right.

Speaker 2: Well, I like it, man, I like it. I got

a water jet if you need one, you know, we do so cool.

Speaker 5: That'd be cool.

Speaker 4: Man.

Speaker 3: Well let's let's what kind of water jet you have?

Speaker 2: What's the cos it's flow flow water jet?

Speaker 1: We we we put them on the map back in the day when when we first started carrying their equipment in the early days. And uh man, I'll tell you

they they really benefited. They hooked us up with machinery.

But boy oh boy, every episode we were using that water jet for every aspect to everything, and uh man, it just it literally put them on the map. As

a matter of fact, we used to call it the flow jet just because you know, you just start saying whatever you want, and so it was flow water jet and we called it the flow jet, and they actually went ahead and they copyrighted Flowjeck because we said.

Speaker 2: It so much.

Speaker 1: So yeah, but yeah, technology, I look what's going on right now out there, and the world of technology is really unbelievable, you know. So I think between between what

I think we could bring, I think our two worlds coming together could really do something because I think what we have here is we have the form, okay, which is kind of a little bit of what I would bring, and then the function, which I feel like is what you guys are going to bring in the ingenuity and the engine and the power and the way we drive this thing.

Speaker 2: You know.

Speaker 3: Hell yeah, man, yeah, yeah, no, I like it all.

I do.

Speaker 4: I would I would learn quite a bit just by what you know and you know, us injecting what we think we know over here, and it'd be awesome just for the experience.

Speaker 1: Well, fellas, man, it was good seeing you guys, even if we're not in person.

Speaker 2: It's it's been a long time, and you guys.

Speaker 1: Don't you got have an aged like a minute since the last time we.

Speaker 5: Bought Michael Jackson's it's working out. We bought it.

Speaker 2: I like it.

Speaker 1: Yeah, so let's do this, man, We'll put a pin in it for now. I appreciate you guys coming on

my podcast, and uh yeah, let's talk on the side about what we might be able to do together because I think it would make some noise out there and I'm looking to have a little bit of fun like that, you know.

Speaker 3: Yeah.

Speaker 4: Cool, We're proud of you, and thank you for thinking of us to do to do this for purchase what you're what you're currently trying to create here on the interwebs.

Speaker 1: Yeah, appreciate it, all right, guys, cool, Thanks again, and we'll talk soon.

Speaker 3: All right, stay in touch.

Speaker 1: Well, thanks guys, Hey, guys, thanks for listening to the Paul Junior Podcast and make sure you follow me on social media and subscribe to my YouTube channel.

Speaker 2: Thanks

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