$4,500. Custom wheel covers $3,500. Black exhaust tips $800. So the car that Paul's
got behind him there, that car isn't a car plus 200 grand. That car is, I bet you that car's
certainly half of nine bucks. I mean, the options that you just rattled off, if you
basically didn't get a PTS color, and you didn't get the amazing stickers,
and you just did the wheels, that was according to what you just read, $10,000. So if it's $195,000
plus $10,000, and you start with a used $992,000, even if you start with an S, we're still cheaper
by a lot than something that doesn't even look as cool. But who knows? I mean-
I agree with that. I agree. Yeah.
But it's interesting. I mean, Dave, it might be a good business model for you, too, if they
got to know. Who knows? I mean, I'll bet you-
I like the air-cooled stuff better. I'm staying in the air-cooled stuff. It's where I am. Smart.
I mean, we'll see this first here. I mean, being in the backyard, I can see it showing up to
one of our bougie cars in coffee, or up on the mountain for good vibes. I mean,
the up on the mountain has turned into sort of this sort of like pre-press launch of vehicles,
we're noticing. I mean, every day you, every week you go up there, there's always these
rap cars going up there. So they're doing testing anyway. So I mean, I hope it works out. I think
it's really cool looking. Thank you, Dave, for bailing me out. I see what you're doing. All
right, we got another pop quiz. And the pop quiz is a car that just came on, bring a trailer yesterday.
And I think Dave is going to stick this up for me. So it is-
I'm going to try. So go ahead.
Oh, there you go. Paul beat you to it. Damn, Kramer, you're so organized. I really love it.
All right. So if you guys aren't, if you're listening only, what this is,
is, and I'm going to hold my opinion off for last, it is a 67, a real 911 67 S,
which in itself is a shit ton of value. And then it was redone by Emory, Rod Emory,
and it was done in a, in to basically be a 911 R. And I'm not an expert in 911 R's. I know they
didn't make very many. I think I'm in my life. I've only seen two. And the litany of stuff that
Rod put into this thing had to have been, if you wanted to replace something like this nowadays,
an astronomical amount of money. So what do you guys think of this? And what do you think the
clothes price on this will be? And it is still for sale right now and bring a trailer. Casey,
why don't you go first? I think it's beautiful. I mean, I think it's great. I read the comments.
It looks like Marco, Paul's buddy rebuilt the engine a couple of years ago. I mean,
I think it's super rad. It's probably going to go for a heck of a lot of money, but it checks a
lot of boxes. I mean, they even put a 914 6 steering wheel on it with the right horn pad. I
mean, they did really cool stuff that had really great attention to detail. I mean, I hope it goes
for all the money and then some, I like to celebrate good coach builders and the Emory's are great
people. So is that steering wheel different from a, that looks identical to the steering wheel,
I think that was in our 67 s. I didn't realize possibly, I mean, sorry, being a seller of cars,
do you put the steering wheel fricking straight before you take your photo? I mean,
I'm sorry. And then take your seatbelts and like lay them out nice or hide them.
Oh, that's the Kramer. That's the NASCAR edition. Oh, yeah. It's a, you know what? It's set to go
left. Perfect. So it is the vibe of your 67 with the hockey puck, but Casey's right,
it's a 380 millimeter, came out of a 914 6, went in the 73. So it's kind of a blend.
And the tastes are great. I mean, here's the funny thing is, I think the Emory part of it
will double the value if it was just a good builder, Marco involved.
What do you think it's going to sell for? I think it's going to sell for 300.
Okay. I was guessing four. So an Emory 356 in your mind is worth more than an Emory 911R.
Okay. Yeah. Cause that's not, that's not their bread and butter. This is, and in fact,
there was another 911 that they had done, they sold it didn't quite, they tried to sell for a
while, didn't do as well. Wasn't that an older one though? This isn't anywhere near the build
quality though of their current 356 stuff. This is much more of a rough and ready canyon car for
a kind of car. What people don't understand, there was some weird confusion about this,
and I was, I'm trying to figure it out. It was done by Gary Emory, I believe, and it was right
about that time. The older one, the older one, the dad, the dad who just recently passed away.
And he was just, he wasn't, it was just a different time. I would say the worst part about this ad
is the, the, the pros of the seller just makes me want to throw up in my mouth.
And then I look at stuff like this. Okay. I don't know if you could zoom in. The,
the, the vintage looking dash plaques are dated before the car was built or like the month it was
built or the month after. Oh yeah. I, I hate that shit. Like go just buy a 60 set, like one of them
is correct. One of them is 68. The car was built in June of 67. Okay. They did two event, three
events in June and July of 67. Oh, the, the, the one up here is 65. Hmm. Okay. So that stuff,
I don't know. It just, it just bugs me. I was trying to figure out where the motor was from. The
motor is built to a two eight. And Tim, you know, you can't take that to a two liter aluminum case
to get to a two eight seems like a bit of a stretch. I didn't, it is a beautiful motor. And I'm
sure Marco did a great job. His dad, his dad built that, right? I think Tony, no, no, no. He,
there was a bunch of confusion because the seller, I don't think did their homework.
Marco finally chimed in and said, no, no, no guys, you got it wrong. In 2018 and 19,
the dyno results were wrong because he said, we got the car and it had a hole in something.
And they basically had to rebuild the motor in 18 or 19. So it was recently rebuilt by Marco.
What struck me about this, the seller, too much pros. I don't think he really read the details.
And by the way, Casey, I don't know if you watched the driving video. I have pet peeves about driving
video. The entire time his left hand is on top. His right hand is always on the shift knob. And
his left foot is always on the clutch. And it's like, dude, learn to drive the car. He was driving
it. You know what, Dave? I think he was an ass car driver. Okay. So Dave, what do you think?
What do you, what's your take on this? Well, I mean, I think I've seen one of these earlier
cars. A client of mine has actually a very early Emory 912 that he built, very similar in the look.
So stripped down car, you know, the build quality is kind of, you know, thrown together.
What do you see? What do you see? I mean, you're the maker of cars like this, Dave. This is your
business. What are you seeing that basically points to makes you think that the build quality
isn't the same as a new three, a new Emory product? Well, I mean, just if you just look,
if you drill in really more interior pictures than anything else, Tim, the, you can just see,
I mean, the car is kind of put together like one would be put together.
Imperious if you're just repairing it versus rebuilding that car or making or turning that
that motor is beautiful. The fiberglass dash is typical weight reduction stuff, lose it. It's,
you know, slammed in there with a couple of screws on the end of it to hold it in place.
But what Casey just said, isn't that, isn't that how it would have been done back in 1967,
because it was just a race car? Absolutely would be, but that's kind of the difference in terms of
the cost difference to build it versus now where you're having to get into much finer detail and
make these fit and finish pieces so much better. I get your point. And also don't forget, you're
buying, like people just look at the title, you know, Coop Emory Outlaw is in the title.
Imagine what most people who see Emory Outlaw, what they envision and quality
in their mind. And I think if they're coming in the last minute and bidding on this and just going,
Oh, this is an Emory Outlaw build. There's a video that, you know, Rod Emery is walking around it.
They're just going to jump to the conclusion that, Oh, this is like their 356. And it's not a bad car.
It just built at a different time. And it's okay, as much as okay, like Tim, it's built the way the
factory would have done in a period. I'm sorry, most buyers who are spending multiple hundred
thousand dollars a car, they don't give a shit about that. They want to look perfect. They're
coming from their 992 GT3. And they're like, why doesn't this thing look, why aren't the body gaps?
And by the way, my personal pet peeve, the whole front end is fiberglass. And it's like, okay,
do a fiberglass bumper. Okay, maybe a fiberglass hood. And by the way, it's still weighed over
2100 pounds. And, you know, the fiberglass front fenders, I absolutely hate because
good luck on that thing, having a nice fit and finish, you know, it's always going to be a little
cattywomps. But weren't they originally someone's going to know more than me? I know the hoods
were fiberglass, what were the front fenders glass to? The front fenders were glass, the doors were
glass, they got, but they got the car down to like under 1900 pounds. And it was like 1750.
So they went like, and by the way, the hood was so thin on the factory that
it was concaving under under speed. So they had to put balls of strips to just to get a structure.
Yeah, that a lot of that same tech is what they put in 914 6 GTs.
Yeah. Yeah. So, so do you guys love it though? I mean, do you love this car for the right money?
Obviously, I do. I bet it rips. I think it rips. We just sold a 911 R tribute like that that white
one we had. And the only problem with it is when you drive it, it is like, we're going racing now.
It is race, race, race. There's no like, Hey, I'm going to go down PCH. I mean, you put your,
your wife in the car. And all you're going to see out of the peripheral vision is this.
So Paul, Paul, I'm going to give you a little suggestion from your old friend who's been married
for 34 years and who has had a lot of sports cars. So, okay, she's listening, but I'm still going to
take the little suggestion. The key to having marital tranquility when going online long drives
and cars like this is about a quarter to a half of a Xanax. So you dose your passenger, sweet.
That's the key. And then you're like, Oh, honey, here's your noise canceling headset and just take
this. It's a vitamin. Don't worry about it. No, Dr prescribed. Obviously, I'm not saying to buy it
from some, you know, illegal source. But that's the key. Personally, I love this car. I really do
love it. I love it for all the reasons that you guys are stating. I love the fact that it's rough
and ready. I love the fact that you could drive this car. And I'm sure the Marco motor is
unbelievably cool. You turn the key it starts, you can go out and beat the crap out of it.
And it's not some garage queen. And I love that car, honestly. What do you think it'll go for?
I bet you it doesn't hit 200 grand.
Well, I it'll get over that just on the if it if it was not Emory, it was just like, you know,
some guy up in Oregon did the bodies, Marco did this. I think you're right. I think it'll get
into the high 100s. I think the Emory part, especially with Gary just passing away is going
to double the effect. I'm asking what I asked myself what I would pay for it. And if you go
into the meat, if you start going to that mid 200s, I'm gonna, you know, call up Casey and have him
find me a 964 RS. I mean, that's where my brain goes. Alright, so you guys have time for another
segment? Yeah, sure. Okay, I think we should do auctions. If that's cool with you. Well,
I mean, we can kind of tie segment five into auctions too, if you guys want to. But let's
just stick with segment five. What do you guys think the old timers versus young timers or
segment five, or the next segment, which is auctioned, you guys choose. I choose auctions.
Dave. Yeah, I'll go auctions because I just have better photos and stuff. All right, perfect.
Let's go on. All right. So what do you guys want? No, it's beautiful. It's beautiful.
All right. So let me get down. What point was okay, this week in auctions, what are your
top two follows and why? And Casey gets to go first. So I picked a couple of interesting options.
I had three car number one is on cars and bids. It is a 37,500 mile 2009 11
Carrera. The right wheels factory arrow kit finished in mirage metallic, which is super rare.
Last time I checked it, it was in the mid 30s. I think if you rocked up anywhere in this car,
like at a cars and coffee, it's really going to stop people. And I think that it'll probably
maybe get somewhere close to the 50s. If I'm not mistaken, it finishes this afternoon.
I think it's a really interesting and pretty rare car, especially in that color. Most of them are,
you know, white, black, silver, yellow, lot of yellow cars in that era. And those those go for
money. But I think you're going to find the guy that wants a weird color and really knock it out
of the park. So Casey, you think you think that car is going to be in the what price range?
I think it's going to be somewhere in the upper mid to upper 40s is probably where it will close.
Cool. All right. And your next one? I actually did three. I apologize. Number two is a is a
6000 mile Boxster 550, which was made in 2004. This is one of my favorite boxers ever produced.
This car is on P car market. It is currently at $25,000 and has, I think, 6000 miles on it.
Really great example. I would prefer that it have the brown interior versus I think this one's got
black or natural gray. But really big fan of these. And my last one, which Paul and I discussed.
And by the way, that car right now has a day left and it's at $27,000.
That does not make freaking sense to me. That is such a sweet freaking car for less than 30 grand.
It is an awesome car. And I hope it brings good money. Well, hope it doesn't bring good money
so I can add one to the stable one day. But I love those four boxers. Last car is a car that
finished, I think, yesterday. It's a one family owned 50 some odd thousand mile
Amazon green over gray full leather interior 964. And the other car, thank you, Paul,
the other car that I was comparing this to was the 200,000 mile fully repainted car that closed
last week that sold for 79. This one closed for $89,000 with 53,000 miles on it because
it was a Malibu. It got totaled or salvaged. It has a salvage title through California because
it was adjacent to the Malibu fires. And I thought I thought at 89 grand, you buy this car,
you send it to Dave, you have Dave. Well, I don't know how bad the car smells for starters. I know
that you cannot get cigarette smoke out of a car no matter how you try or just covers up with
chemicals. But I don't know how bad this one is. But I think if you sent this car to Dave,
had him replace everything that's porous on the car, I think for, what do you think, Dave,
$25,000, $30,000 for soup to nuts kind of like you did for my client.
I think you've got to do that. It's an amazing, yeah.
Don't forget, anything plastic is porous. You literally got to do every single piece of interior
in that car. But that's what he did on my client's car. And it was awesome when it
done and what it was done, it smelled like leather. And I think with a guy like Dave,
you could figure this car out. And you could have a really awesome, cool color 964 for,
I put some cup buns on it because that's what I do. But you could have a really great car for,
let's say $120,000. Casey and I are joking about it because
yeah, it's going to have a salvage title, which kind of sucks. And Casey and I are joking about
it because you read the pros from the seller and he's like, yeah, we just did a standard detail
and the smoke's gone. And I'm like, not a chance. Bullshit. We had this one 40th anniversary 996.
The guy liked to smoke cigars occasionally a one owner car. As that car is coming on the flatbed
to my shop. It's not even off the flatbed. It just goes by me. And I'm like, oh, shit,
this guy didn't tell me he smoked in his car. We did every kind of bomb, like automotive
tenting the car. And we could not get rid of it. And the guy sold it to was a smoker. And I'm like,
hey, do I have the I have the Koheba edition for you. And he had it for six months and he's a smoker.
And he couldn't do it. And he had to get rid of it. And he tried everything that we already tried.
So I don't know. And but what people don't realize is fire damage, like Malibu fire damage smoke,
that is different than someone smoking cigarettes or cigars. It's a chemical warfare smoke,
basically. I don't think it's sort of like flood damage. I don't think you're going to ever get
that out. I want to point this out, guys, just because you guys don't follow the rules. And
this podcast runs two hours and all you guys get UTIs because we didn't take a break. It's your own
damn fault. Okay. So just for the record, I'm not the one causing it to go two hours. Dave.
I've gone to the bathroom twice while I was sitting here.
Paul has to go next. Paul goes next. Okay. So anyway, I have my I have two only two cars, Tim.
And my theme is replacement engines. And if there's two modern Porsches that actually have more
value from a replacement engine, it's 996 non non Metzger engine cars. So non turbo or GT three.
And the other one is 991.1 GT threes that have this weird wrap. And I wish someone would go
in a depth about why these two cars, they closed last week. The this one is a 2003 996 manual coupe
six speed 55,000 miles, seal gray, it's got a rebuilt new 3.8 liter cool hot rod motor by
Ellen and engineering. It's maybe a couple thousand miles on the engine, it's sold.
What do you guys think this sold for 55,000 mile 2003 just regular 996 not even a wide body
manual with a fresh 3.8 liter engine, 20s, using money with the car if the car had the stock motor
in it with an IMS bearing, I think that's a 38 to $40,000 car all day long.
62,000 before fees. Whoa. Yeah, whoa. Now, and the reason I bring it up because our friend that
we actually know right here has a, and he's got a picture of it, but he's got a 996 cab
currently for sale on bring a trailer with the jack rabie hot rod 3.8 is a 3.8 liter motor,
right? Right. KC. Yeah. So, and I don't know what's at like $20,000 right now, it's got a few days
left. So even though it's a cab and it's an old man arena gray, arena red, sorry, it is,
I think it could be a potential bargain. So anyway, the other car I want to talk about and one day we
got to get into depth because I think right now the 991.1 GT3s are a crazy value. And the reason
why is they had a little problem with the engine and Porsche after getting screwed on the IMS bearing
and getting a class action lawsuit, they got ahead of this one and they replaced the engines.
Now that they're for sale, so this one is a 991.1, it's a 14. It was victim of, you know, the early
ones that got the engines replaced, like they all got their engines replaced 16,000 miles,
guards red, ceramic brakes, a pretty high MSRP for the time. It recently got at the factory or from
the factory a three point, a brand new 3.8 liter, what they call the G motor, you know, the 14s were
E's, 15s were Fs, 16s were G, everyone wants the G motor, they don't even know what they're talking
about. And so it got this brand new motor from Porsche, just put in no miles on it, and it sold
for $145,000. That's a bargain for sure. It's a bargain. Because if this was a 991.2 winged PDK car,
which isn't a whole lot different from a driving experience, this is probably a $175,000 car,
$180,000 car. Actually, I thought this one even might have gone a little higher than I expected,
but I would say $20,000. That's the G motor. If this just had the regular E motor replaced under
warranty in period or F motor, I think this car would have been 125. And you can find 91.1 GT3s
for in the 115 to 125 range all day long. Let's do a drill down on that next podcast that your
particular suggested topic. Go ahead, Dave, sorry. No, no, I was going to say put 25,000 miles on it
or whatever. And now the thing is down at 115 or something like that. I mean, these cars are out
there, and they are absolute bargains. Obviously, the PDK holds them back. But I think there's,
Casey could probably dig into this a bit more, but there's definitely differences between the
different iterations of PDK between these years. And but I don't think that really changes the
driving experience all that much on this car. I just think that that is a hell of a bargain. It
really is a big GT car to have. Casey's 550 and even that frankly has cab and that car would be
pretty much guilt free, you know, 911 motoring, because you're probably not going to lose money
on it. They might actually increase in value. They're probably not going to be that expensive
to fix. So that's kind of like a no brainer all together. Are you done, Paul? You have any,
you're putting up a motor. Oh, that was the old that that's that's that's the motor replacement
that went in. And literally, like, I mean, the guy had like four shots of the motor.
And I think that was like pheromones to 991.1 G. It's a G six. Oh, my God, it's a I mean,
the comments about the G six and like, you would have thought they just got the Willy
Wonka golden ticket, I was just going to throw up bro, there is a golden ticket on that damn motor.
So you might there is literally how much does that motor cost? Do you have any idea?
Casey might know more, but I'm guessing $30,000. More than that.
More than that. $45,000, $50,000, $60,000. Yeah. I mean, who knows how much now?
Paul, can you pull up my pictures while Dave presents next?
Okay. Yep. Thank you. I appreciate it. Dave, what do you got?
I am obviously, I have got some of the finest automotive. Yes. X examples ever. Oh, boy. Look
what we have here. This is a complete copy of the wagon queen family truckster from the
national lampoon vacation movies. And it is a beautiful example. This happens to be an 89
round Vic wagon. And the copy of this thing against the wagon queen family truckster is
perfect. It's dead on. And I'm just thinking to myself, how much is this car going to sell for?
Like who's really going to want one of these things? That is the perfect car for Paul to haul
his butt in while he's recovering for his fricking rallies. He can lay in the back,
that big ass area. I'm not talking about your big ass area. I'm talking about the big ass area of
the car. Okay. That's it. That's his. I was thinking of me in the in my electric scooter being
being, I mean, imagine this. I'm in my electric scooter being dragged behind it. You know,
you know, like the movie. Yeah. Poor guy. I tried to keep up for the first mile or two.
This picture. Just look at the difference. I mean, that's from the movie and that's from and
that's the car. I just think it's, it's, it's amazing. You know what's funny though? It's
whoever built that newer version of it. Imagine how much time they spent looking at the pictures
of the original one that goes all that wasted time of one's life trying to essentially replicate that
beautiful future Kramer vehicle. It's got the, it's got the fold up rear seats. That's one of those.
I mean, we talked about them. I don't think we'll get to it, but one of those questions that you
had, it was a pop up question, a quiz about what are the features on old cars that we wish would
come back, right? We'll do that one. I couldn't find, I dug around trying to find something. And I
think this was probably one of the only things I could think of that was kind of cool that you
wish you'd find on current cars now, and you really don't, is that rear seat, either rear
facing or side facing rear seat in their way back in the, in what was the precursor to minivans,
obviously, but this thing was a beast. What do you got? And you probably looked it up,
but what do you think it sold for? Tim, if you didn't look it up, what did that car sell for?
Dave, I'm a little embarrassed to say that actually I didn't start that one and bring
a trailer and didn't keep track of it, so I have no use for you.
Well, it's fair enough, of course, but what do you think it sold for?
I mean, okay, so what time of day did it end? I don't know. No, because there's going to be an
alcohol, that is not something that somebody sobered or buys, it just isn't. So if that ended
after beer o'clock, then I would say, what, 20 grand? Oh, this car was $62,500 is what it sold for.
That's what caught my eye on it, okay? Now I'm going to go to the absolute complete
opposite end of the automotive spectrum, but a rare machine for sure. You're setting this up,
you can tell by a, there you go. There we go, boys and girls. All about it. This is automotive
excellence right here, a 1990, and this opens up the question, Tim, about what are the young
timers going to buy next? What are the cars that they want? Not that. Nope. I mean, unless, of
course, they're in some communist block country and they're waxing poetic, oh, I said it, I have to
get that in on every show, about their olden days while they're essentially communists.
This car picked up in value. This car sold for $10,000 back in 1990, $10,000, and this
fine automobile, this one of only 500 made, apparently, right? They really didn't make that.
They made a convertible first. This was not a car, an aftermarket. They made 500 of these things,
and those wheels. I mean, look at that color. It is fantastic. I mean, just to roll up in
a car is in coffee. It's a 90. 90, all right. And you said it was $10,000 in a Ferrari. I'll
tell you that. I would rather roll up in that car than a Ferrari, cars and coffee. I would have much
more interest in conversations if I rolled up in that. And you said it was $10,000 new. It would
have had to sell today for $25,000 just to be MSRP. Tell me that. It actually sold for 15.
15 was the number on the car. It was a no-reserve auction. I think that was no-reserve. Maybe,
yeah, it was no-reserve. Come on, that's a great car. It's one car I have. Throw it in the back of
the garage and enjoy the hell out of it. Yeah, it might not run after the first time out. And I
wish I could find pictures of this. This tells you how socially it was such a shipbox in period,
and it may remain the shipbox. Five years after this car was discontinued, my dad and I go to the
LA Auto Show. And there was a full art installation of all the different things they could do with
a Ugo. They made one into a giant version of a Zippo lighter. They made one. The best one was
into a Catholic confessional where you sat on one side. They had stained glass and you can have.
And then the best one was, imagine if they coated it with the fiberglass material of an
outhouse and they turned a Ugo into an outhouse, a working outhouse, which I think was probably the
best use. All right. So before we lose all of our viewers or listeners, let's go off to what I was
watching in auctions. Paul, hopefully you pulled them up, though I think I appreciate Dave's,
hopefully, comic relief. And he wasn't being serious, but nonetheless. I wasn't being serious.
Just making sure. All right, good. You guys got them both up. Team work. These are the two cars
that I was watching because honestly, these are where my interest is really leaning into
real race cars, especially the old Porsche race cars. And I mean, you guys will know more about
these. One of these is a V8. I forget which one. I think the white one. So what are we looking at?
We're looking at a 1968 Porsche 910 and a 904 Carrera GTS. There you go.
To correct you, the 910 is a flat six. And then the 904 is the four cam motor.
So this is where I'm finding myself being very interested in learning more about these cars.
Obviously, Cam Ingram has got the market cornered, I think, domestically anyway, on
restoring these things. And so when I look at these, I know they sold for monster money,
but the reality of it is, is when I'm thinking, if I were thinking about spending monster money on
some big car, and it was between like, say, for example, a Carrera GT or one of those cars,
because I think both of those sold for between a million, $2 million. I don't know which way I
would go. The 910 didn't sell to him. The 910 didn't, it bid to a million.
A billion. The 904 sold for 2.3, almost 2.4.
Okay. So either one of those cars would be a fun, I don't think you, I think the 904,
you could actually put plates on. I'm not sure about the other car, but the more you could
put plates on both of them. Okay. Well, I'm just saying right there, if you're in that kind of,
you know, if you're in that league and you're looking to spend money on a play car,
and you have Porsche shops that are nearby, oh, that's right, you had one of those in your shop.
It was a real one too, wasn't it, Dave? Yep. That's actually chassis 001.
Did you drive it? No, I did not drive it. No, I'm not, that wasn't something I was allowed to do,
obviously. Okay. So, I mean, just as I progress in my automotive obsession,
I'm just starting to be fascinated by these, you know, very, very much back catalog cars,
because they get down to the essence of what I love about motoring, which is the, you know,
obviously all the things a lot of you guys like too, the raw mechanical essence of a car.
And I love the size of these. And so, you know, as strictly as not even second or third car,
but more like your 10th car, I think these are kind of hard to beat. Now, what's the future
value on these things? I've got no idea. Who are the future buyers on these things? We might
talk about it next week when we go back to one of our previous topics. But what are you guys
thinking as far as those vehicles? I mean, there's nothing, I mean, 904 and 906, I honestly believe
is the pinnacle of beautiful Porsche fiberglass cars. I don't think it gets, I don't think it
gets better than that personally. I've got a model of both a 904 and a 906 behind me here in my office.
The 910 is, I mean, it's a real prototype car. I don't necessarily believe those were,
that one's got tag on it. So I guess it was street legal somewhere. I thought the 906
was the end of that. But I mean, the 904s are stunning. I mean, it's a bootsy design.
There's nothing that looked like it before or after. The only thing that you could say kind
of looks like it is like the OG Boxster Spider in 2011 when they did the treatment of the top,
how it went back and mounted. But it's stunning. I unfortunately have never sat in one or had the
opportunity to drive one, but I hope I do someday. It looks similar to our Ferrari 246 Dino, but all
in, I mean, that car. So yeah, I mean, that's where I'm watching those two just because it's
fascinating to see if those are all of a sudden going to go into the museum only mode or then
our enthusiasts are going to still end up with them. Paul, I think we see a lot of these cars
and how they're going to have legs to go to the newer generation, the younger generation
and going back and what's happening is events. What can you do with these cars? So I know
Cam Ingram is doing the, you know, the pike, the pieck. And he does four cam jam too.
He does the four cam jam. I know in Europe they do, you know, prototype type rallies where people
bring these special cars over. So I think the buyers of these are going to be really,
really wealthy people that need a new drug and they want to do a Primo event that's just of
people like them. And when you look at the Instagram feed that Road Scholars puts out on
these, you know, these type of events that celebrate these cars, you know, look who they're
rubbing, you know, they're there with Jeff Swart and Patrick Long and, you know, Deeter from
Andile. And you said they're going like, yeah, if I had a spare one, two, three million dollars,
yeah, let's go buy one of those so I could do that twice a year. Well, so one of those cars
or a singer, choose. Oh, 904. I mean, first of all,
girth is my problem. I mean, I don't know if I could get in that thing. You'd fit in 906, Paul,
from what I understand. Basically, I would figure out a way to fit in any one of these
fiberglass era Porsches, because I agree, I think, I mean, it looks like a Dino that is,
that is, this is just the prettiest Porsche they've ever built. I mean, 550 Spider damn close second.
Way more upside in that car. Yeah. And by the way, I wish I had the picture of it.
When we were in Germany and we were in Salzburg, Hans Peter Porsche,
Hans Peter Porsche driving in that little rally was driving a red 904. And it looked badass.
Yeah. I mean, that's so, you know, I think you guys are all vibing with what I'm saying.
When I look at something like that, I don't know what it's like to drive. I've never driven one
before. But that means so much more to me that resonates so much more to me than worrying about
what stitching you've gotten or what PTS shade of, you know, frickin silver you're getting all this
other bullshit. That to me seems to me like where I think the height of car nerddom is going to go
going forward is these back, these old, old ass cars, because people are going to want to get
back to the essence of it. Yeah, I think you're right. It might just be my wishful thinking.
It probably is. Any thoughts, Dave? Is it around the bend? Oh, no, I'm looking at this. I'm just
looking at the pictures of this thing on the auction and that four cam motor is just gorgeous.
But think about trying to get a four cam worked on 10 years from now, right? Oh, my God, who is
because it's almost impossible. And Tim, you would know this since you just bought one for
the spider you're doing. But I mean, that's that's going to be a tough cut to get that engine worked
on if you like, I was expecting I was expecting you to be able to work on it. No, it's not a four
cam. Not a four cam. I mean, I think I actually I remember I remember when Tony was alive.
He sent Marco to a four cam builder here in Southern California on like this sabbatical for
like the whole summer to work and learn four cams. I don't know how much Marco is doing that.
And there's one here in Costa Mesa, Bill Doyle. You know, he was a big one. He unfortunately passed
away early, but he had sold the business and was out training with my friend Steve Schmidt and
Honest Engines here at Southern California, Costa Mesa. So they're I mean, there's so few of these
cars that you just need two or three builders in the world, which I think there always will be.
And you take the motor out, you create it up and you send it off. It doesn't. How hard is it to
I mean, look, your motor's coming from UK, Tim, for your car. And it's not even actually. And it's
in this. Yeah, it's in the States. Did I tell you guys about that? I got hit with it. I got hit
with a 25% tariff on that thing. Yeah. Did you were you able to time it and get rid of that?
No, no, I didn't realize there'd be a tariff on those old things. I don't even want to say
out loud what it costs, but a lot. Yeah. And any of that. All right, guys, I think it was a fun show.
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About this episode
A lively discussion unfolds as the hosts compare the Porsche 911 Turbo S and Ferrari 296 GTB, debating which supercar reigns supreme. They delve into automotive news, including Porsche's strategic realignment and the rising trend of youngtimers versus oldtimers. The episode also features insights on auction results, highlighting unique cars like a 1967 Porsche 911 S reimagined by Emory Motorsports. With humor and camaraderie, the hosts explore the emotional connection to cars and the intricacies of the automotive market.
This week’s episode of Full Throttle Talk is a car enthusiast rollercoaster—equal parts serious debate, sarcastic banter, and auction insanity. If you’ve ever wondered whether you should blow your budget on a brand-new Porsche 911 Turbo S or roll the dice on a Ferrari 296 GTB, this episode is for you. We’re talking weekend toys, extra cars, and the real questions that matter: do you want German precision with a warranty, or Italian drama with curves that melt your soul?
But that’s just the starting line. We also tear into:
Porsche’s Strategic Realignment – The new PHEV Macan, whispers of a budget sports car under $75K, and why the BEV 718 “will suck so hard.” Are Porsche dealers panicking behind the curtain?
Youngtimers vs Oldtimers – Why ‘90s and 2000s cars (your old Gran Turismo heroes) are skyrocketing while 356s and non-special ‘70s 911s sit flat. We predict the next wave of collectibles and argue about demographics, wealth transfer, and nostalgia.
Choosing your weekend car wisely – 964 RS, 993 C2S, 997 Club Sport, Ferrari 296 GTB, or a modern 911 Turbo. What really fits your lifestyle, roads, budget, and sanity?
Collector Car Auctions – From legendary Porsche 904s and Ferrari race cars to utterly ridiculous sales like the Wagon Queen Family Truckster and a Yugo Cabrio. Yes, people actually pay real money for this stuff.
Pop Quizzes & Debates – What was the hottest car of 2025? What’s the “It Girl” of 2026? 997 GT3 RS 4.0 vs Singer Classic. Favorite old features that should return (spoiler: everyone wants pop-up headlights back).
And of course, the crew shares real car life updates:
Teaching friends how to wrangle a Ferrari 296 GTS on carbon fiber wheels.
Backroad adventures in the Swedish Sled.
Upgrades that transform clutch feel.
Shakedown runs ahead of Targa Carolina in an air-cooled 911 with fresh electric A/C.
If you love Porsche vs Ferrari debates, car auction madness, and brutally honest takes on the future of collector cars, this is your show.
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