Porsche Talk - Homebuilt by Jeff Again!

Get everyone welcome back to PorscheTalk Radio Show. Thank you very much for joining us again

this week. We've got a guest. He's a regular guest. In fact, he might actually be as regular

as Argemall and I are on our podcast. Welcome, Jeff, home-built by Jeff, to the show again

this week.

How are you going, guys? I don't think I'd be quite that common. I think this might

be my third time here, but yeah, anyway.

Yeah, but that's more often than us two, honestly, the way we've been lately.

You have been sporadic. I have noticed.

Yeah, yeah. Life gets in the way, doesn't it, Argemall?

Don't must not be. We've not been good this summer. It's our holidays are kind of topotailed

to.

What's up?

Well, over here. Over here. I don't know if you know, there's been like a drought.

It's been two months of zero rain. Obviously, all the lawns are scorched. There's a hosepipe

ban. You can't use hosepipe because all the water is running dry. Reservoirs are running

dry. But for the last week, it's been nonstop rain, nonstop every single day.

Firstly, listeners, let me interrupt this by saying, prior to our last episode, where

we went a good solid nine to 10 minutes before the Porsche talk where the channel started.

We've got into it like within moments because all Argemall could talk about like a good English

weather because they've had to go into the sunshine when spraying with the weather. We

got to get that out of the way. It's one of those things that bobbles under the surface

and you just got to get out of the way. You got to pull the, you know, plaster

off.

Well, I'm going to say as a West Aussie, right, and Jeff's Eastern based, right? He's

got the worst of both worlds, in my opinion, where he's located. He's here. So he gets

your winters and my summers.

Particularly where I am. I'm at a much higher elevation than most of Australian cities.

So yeah, it does. Like it has snowed here twice in the 10 years I've been here. You

know, like it still gets cold. But yeah, anyway,

I'm cold enough to paint not to stick to panels. Maybe that may have been a reason

issue.

We were in a coat and there's ice and I've seen the one where there was ice in the background

on stuff outside and I'm like, where is Jeff? Like it gets to sort of cold morning here.

The coldest I get is about minus six Celsius. So it gets cold.

Oh, that's brutal.

It's regularly, I mean, two days ago it was one. So like it's still, you know, it's almost

spring, but it's spring. Sorry. It's the second day of spring.

Yeah. Jeff, you mentioned elevation earlier. Just for listeners, you are South West of

Sydney.

Yes, South West of Sydney. I'm about, my elevation is about 700 meters above sea

level.

Okay. Yeah, great.

It's the New South Wales, Southern Highlands is where I live.

Got it, got it.

Yeah, it is, yeah. A lot higher. I mean, it's not high as far as, you know, a lot of mountain

ranges go, but look, Australia doesn't have the highest. It's as it is. So it's pretty

high for Australia.

Yeah. Yeah. That's why I was quite surprised at the number you said. Tell me, I think

the last time we spoke, you mentioned, do you no longer live on site where your shed

is, where you do your work?

Actually, my viewers didn't know this, but yeah, actually I didn't for the last three

years or so.

Yeah, okay.

My shed was on a vacant block for a long time.

Are you building your home there, have you?

Yes. So I'm currently, I'm now back and there's a brand new, in a new house.

My viewers have not known any of this. This is probably news to them, but yeah, like for

three years I was living about two kilometres down the road and I had a little electric

scooter that I could just sort of ride to and from to the shed.

Hey, are you sure?

Sitting on a vacant block.

When you say electric scooter, you mean the little wheel ones that the 12-year-olds

go and do their pizza delivery?

It was a bigger wheel one, but it was still, you know, just an e-scooter because

it was too short to drive a car because it wouldn't warm up.

Got it, yeah.

So, like it was literally two kilometres away, so it was two, with no lights, no traffic.

It was very close.

Sure, and cold.

Yes, and cold.

Yeah.

Yeah, so yeah, I did get a lot of comments in my videos going, Jeff, maybe you need

to spend a little less time in the shed and a little bit more time on your driveway.

Because the driveway was looking pretty shabby, but they didn't realise it's sitting

on a vacant block.

So, it was pretty long in my house.

It was just this shed on a vacant block.

So, now I am back there, but yeah, we'll see for how long.

Yeah, I do have plans in the wings for a bigger shed.

Ah, a bigger shed.

Everybody needs a bigger shed.

Yeah.

No matter how big a shed it is, you always need a bigger shed.

That just means you're not throwing shit out, doesn't it?

Like when I move, I'm dreading having to move the shed because there's so

much stuff in there.

I go back and look at my, if I go back and look at my earliest videos.

Yeah.

Then I go, holy moly.

There was nothing in the shed.

It was empty.

And now it is absolutely packed to the rafters and it's going to be a nightmare to move.

We recently had a bulk rubbish collection opportunity over the weekend.

I'm sure everyone has a version of this in various parts of the world where the

local council or Shire or city department say, bring your rubbish outside.

We'll bring up a truck and we'll pick it all up.

Okay.

That's what I'm talking about with bulk rubbish collection.

And I'm going through my garage and I look at stuff and think, what if I need that

material for something?

Now, when I do that, I think I reckon Jeff would keep this.

Actually, I'm getting better.

My wife, I call her a chuck chucker.

She doesn't want any clutter in the house.

I joke with people that we have two glasses because there's only two of us.

So why do we need any more than that?

It was not bolted down and it gets thrown away because it's like, why do we have

excess shit?

Yeah.

I was the same.

And I think I agree.

When I go through the garage, there's big things that need sorting out and they

just sat there, like the elephant in the room.

But sometimes I'll see and I'll think this screwdriver that I've had that I've

got off my dad doesn't actually work properly because I filed the end of it.

Should I throw it away?

And my wife will walk in and go, what the hell are you doing?

What about that shit in the corner that you haven't sorted out?

Why are you sat there discussing this screwdriver?

Yes.

That is funny.

I often contemplate the life choices of people.

I've looked at all these self storage places these days.

It's such big business and how much people have got total junk in there that

they're paying more per month to store it than it is actually worth.

Like just get rid of it.

Yeah.

Let's bring up that subject for a moment about storage.

Yes.

I'm in the unfortunate slash privileged situation that I have more cars in

space.

Okay.

I want them stored inside.

Car storage in the last 12 months, my car storage costs have doubled.

Really?

Okay.

Yeah.

Okay.

Now that's because of the number of people who've got shit in a really normal

storage.

Yes.

I'm deading it out.

So the supply and demand, right?

It's all I can bring it down to.

So everywhere I've gone thinking, oh, that's too dear.

I'm going to go somewhere else.

I just can't find anywhere more reasonably priced.

Well, I've been to your storage place, your car storage place.

Oh, you have?

Yes.

When I came over and visited you.

Yeah.

That's now triple stacked.

Okay.

So that the, because it was quite a nice location that you were at.

Convenient.

Convenient, like, you know, car guy running it with nice cars and

sort of, you know, you come and get it when you, when you please.

It has changed ownership that business since you came over.

However, look, still good car people that own it.

But the supply and demand situation, the, one of the reasons it was

convenient that you are unaware of is the warehouse directly

behind it was my warehouse.

Aha.

Right.

For business that we rented there.

Right.

But it was a business with a facility without space for vehicle

storage because it was a full.

You couldn't squeeze a couple of cars in the corner?

No, definitely not.

It was to the rafters, but I no longer have that business.

So I no longer have that warehouse that part besides the fact

it was its proximity to the airport.

It was also convenient for me afterward to swap motor vehicles.

Obviously.

Right.

However, I still use that facility, but the costs to do so

are now becoming prohibitively high.

And this is not, I'm not saying this is a detriment to,

I don't think it's price jabbering.

I just think it's the state of the market at the moment.

And by look, you know,

comparing it to other car storage places here in Perth,

it's just brutal.

I'm almost the point where I'm looking at other like minded

people and wondering whether or not we should just form

a syndicate and buy something and use that for storage.

If I can find half a dozen other people with a couple

of cars, all of a sudden the math sat up pretty quickly.

Or you just do like I did and move to the boonies.

Yeah.

No, I'm not doing that.

I'm doing space.

Well, so that is that's a good point because I live kind of

no, I'm a train station.

There's a train station really close.

I can catch trains to London in less than an hour.

But I'm also quite rural.

There's 700 people live in my village.

But two villages down, which is about four miles away,

is where the storage facilities that I used in it.

I'll tell you how much it was.

It was like 120 pounds a month, fully insured,

secure, cars on a trickle charger.

And the great thing is it's an old boy who runs it.

He's retired.

He does classic car trailering.

Oh, yeah.

He's the guy I ring up when my car breaks down.

And he's great because he lives in the next village.

So when I want to go and pick up my car,

which when it was in storage,

he would come and pick me up.

Perfect.

So he'd pick me up, take me there,

or I would just leave my other car there.

And then when I went to pick it up,

I would just phone him and he would go and open it up.

He would open it all the time.

He would just open it for you.

But the problem is if you left your car there.

It was obviously open all the time if you're using his services

because your cars are always breaking down.

Always breaking down.

Yes.

Most of the time they limp somewhere and then die.

It's like the last throws they get me there.

But the great thing,

and the thing with these facilities is because

he's constantly got turnover of regular customers.

If you don't go, like I was,

I had my MGB there and I left it there for years.

It gradually goes further back into the unit.

So if you then go,

I need to go and get that car.

He has to take a day to like jigsaw puzzle,

rearrange everything so he can get out.

But it's great because I'm not,

I'm not in a city.

But if you're in a city,

it must be so expensive and so difficult.

Well, definitely.

Friend of the channel, Matt Farah,

actually his living is made out of doing exactly the subject

we're talking about right now.

So we looked at it as a business proposition here,

particularly in the part of Perth that we reside,

which is, you know,

there are a lot of people with a lot of cars

and a lot less garage space.

So the cost of the storage on this side of town

is significantly higher than where I'm currently storing

because that's a good solid 35 minutes away from my house.

So anyway, that's a diversion topic

that was brought up.

Jeff, what's going on?

We've got a lot of listeners that you have as viewers.

So most people are up to speed with what's going on

with you building a truck.

Yeah, basically, yeah,

I've been flat out building this truck

and it's actually getting,

like it's been a long time to get to the stage

where now my truck is actually running and driving

and moving and is working as a truck

there is no bed on it, there's nothing like that,

but, you know, all the rust is repaired

and all that sort of stuff, which was the tedious part.

So, yeah, I'm getting sort of close to,

I'm sort of going backwards and forwards on designs

for the bed for carrying cars.

For those who don't know,

I basically have a 1954 Ford F600 truck,

which looks like a Ford F100 from the 50s,

but it's actually the same cab they put on a bigger truck.

All the trucks had this exact same cab

and I actually got a Toyota Coaster bus,

which is a little 22-seater bus

that I cut the bus off, threw the bus away

and basically kept the chassis and wiring

and the running gear,

and I've now made it look like an old truck

that I'm going to have a tilt tray bed.

Out of curiosity, the pre-tilt tray part,

you know, before that bit,

just putting the cab over situation you've got going on

because it was all Coaster bus before.

Has the engineering been pretty straightforward?

Yeah, basically.

I had to move the engine back 240 millimetres

because...

For engineering?

No, to make it fit the...

When I say engineering, I'm talking about

to get it registered when I say engineering, sorry.

To get it registered, like that,

I mean, the rest of it,

like my engineer that I'm using,

I'm converting it from having to be on a truck licence

to being on a car licence.

Ah, okay.

Sure.

I mean, I have a truck licence.

In Australia, generally,

up to four and a half tonnes is the...

Like GVM, gross vehicle mass,

so fully loaded up to four and a half tonnes

is the maximum you're allowed to have

to drive on a car licence

on a fixed vehicle.

The bus was like 49.90 or something?

Yeah, yeah, yeah, okay.

And I could drive it, but then my wife couldn't drive it.

None of my mates could drive it.

If a car breaks down and my mates want to borrow it,

it's just easier on a car licence.

So that is my plan is going,

okay, well, it should be able to make it under that

and I'll probably only have a payload

of being able to carry a one and a half tonne car.

That's plenty, let's face it,

for the type of cars that you're interested in, right?

For my cars, it's fine

and it's only got a four and a half metre tray.

That's the length of the bed on it,

so it's not super long.

I mean, if the butt of the car

hangs over a little bit as long as the wheels are on,

then it should be, but yeah,

it's not going to be a huge tilt tray.

It's going to be relatively lightweight,

but that's fine because again,

my car's a little, so that's the plan.

The golden question I've got,

I'm sure you've been asked a thousand times

in your YouTube comments, right?

Aside from the project for the channel,

what's you really thinking of using this thing?

Not a great,

look, I mean, I'll potentially just drive it to work.

Oh yeah, okay.

It's going to be an extra car.

At the moment, we have one normal car.

That's my wife and I share.

What's normal?

Well, we have a 10-year-old Porsche Macan

that's the only normal car we have.

Do you have an old Ford Merc?

I do have an old Merc.

The trouble is that since I got it

and I've had these issues the whole time,

it worked fine for about a week or two sort of,

but for some reason it's automatic and it won't idle.

So you have to drive it with two feet,

so my wife can't drive it,

even if I'm slowing down coming up to a roundabout.

If I don't keep one foot on the accelerator

while I'm braking, it will stall.

So then I have to cycle the key

and get it in neutral again to start

and it's a whole thing.

So it's not easy to drive.

It's a pain and I don't know what I'm going to do with it,

but again, that was another...

It's not a normal car.

Surely for our generation, that's really normal.

Totenheal.

Totenheal, Jeff.

Sort of, but in an automatic, that's weird.

All I'm thinking right now is about you going to a wrecker,

finding a gearbox and doing like a backyard manual conversion

on this car to try and make it usable.

It's more, I've been looking at just doing a complete engine

conversion on it.

Oh yeah, at least.

Well, I was looking at probably a Barra,

basically like a buy an old Ford Falcon.

It'll be naturally aspirated.

The issue is that I just, I'm still torn.

I don't love the car.

I bought a cheap car that was just over 30 years old

so I can put it on our historic regio.

So the registration instead of costing sort of $1,000 a year

costs $50 a year.

It's, but you can only drive at 60 days,

which is plenty for an extra car.

Ashmal, do you have those types of registration

historic registration in the UK?

We do.

So over here you can, so it's road tax, right?

So you pay road tax when you're driving a car normally

and it's normally based on up till the year 2000.

It's based on the engine size and after the year 2000

it's based on emissions.

So to mine 996 is pre-s 1999.

I probably pay 300 pounds a year to tax it

so I can drive on the road and to tax it

you've got to have a valid certificate

say it's road worthy and you've got to have insurance

and then you get the road tax.

But after, but then if you bought like a 2005

96, 97, whatever it might be, then it goes up

quite a lot or if you bought an Aston Martin Vantage

like Mark and I were talking about the other day

they get into 700, 800 pounds.

So you're talking about 80 odd pounds, 90 pounds

just to park it outside.

But with the historic ones and it's a rolling 40 years.

Yeah.

You don't pay anything.

Really?

Yeah.

So you so when your cars that old

you've still got to get the

you actually they've also exempt

from the road worthy certificate.

So you don't need an MOT either.

You don't need an MOT.

That's even worse.

Imagine some of the cars that are out there.

I know and that's the thing because a while ago

when they were really old cars

obviously they needed a lot of maintenance

they didn't get a lot of use

and classic car insurance is normally limited

by mileage but it's not that limited

it's kind of limited to you know

three to five thousand miles a year

which is quite a lot for a classic car.

But then we're now getting into the era of 40 years ago.

85.

You could have an 80.

You could have an 85 Golf Mark II

that's going to go to the moon and back.

And someone's driving and thinking

I don't need to get an MOT sticker.

Yeah.

So what if it's a falling off it?

So hopefully no one's going to abuse that system

but it's got to the point where

and also in London

and big cities there's ultra low emission zones

so you need to pay a daily charge

if you drive in and your car doesn't fit

the low emission zone.

Is that exempt from that as well?

Yeah exempt from that as well.

That's a loophole.

So it's getting to the point now

where you can have a daily driver

that's 40 years old and it's totally reliable

and you're also getting to the point

where cars were galvanized and zinc coated

so they're less likely to

well they're still going to be rusty

but less likely to be as rusty as they were before

so it's getting

there's going to become a tipping point

where there's going to be some title rules around it I reckon.

I'd love to see

I'm sure there is footage out there

on TikTok or some social media

of old flogged Mercedes

diesels from like the 70s

that is pumping out black stuff

like it's going to our style going through these low emission zones

in London right here

because they're fully exempt.

Yeah because my 2009

Audi

2009 diesel cars were promoted

because they were supposed to be cleaner

and more efficient and it turned out they weren't

so at the road tax

on my 2009 Audi that's got

203,000 miles on it

is 20 pounds a year

because that's how it was

promoted as back then so they can't

suddenly go to 500 pounds.

So they grant father a top thing so until

it's dead it'll always be

that much money. Exactly but the thing is

it's never going to die

and it drives like it always did and it's got

203,000 miles on it

but it's not exempt from the ultra low

emission zones so if I lived

in London I'd have to bin it.

So it's

any city I go and visit

my mum lives up in the midlands I go to the big city there

I have to pay 10 pounds a day

to drive into the town. Or drive the 996.

Or drive the 996 isn't exempt yet.

Ah okay.

Yeah yeah so

that's kind of the

15 years to go.

What I did get distracted from

a moment ago from that

conversation was Jeff

you said that you don't really

love the Merc.

Yes.

Are you collecting cars you don't love?

No.

I can't just check it because it sounds

like there's a bit of a pattern here at the moment.

Half the cars in your garage might be on the wrong side

of the love and hate relationship.

It's only the Merc

in the Rockstar.

What was the tipping point on the Rockstar?

What tip get over?

Hang on I've still got a question before you move on to the

Rockstar because I've got big questions on the

Rockstar.

The question about the Merc

is you know when it's driving

when it's on the move is it driving absolutely fine?

It's nice.

Look it's immaculate

it's got

it's a four cylinder petrol

so it's a 2.2 litre four cylinder

petrol with 400,000

kilometres on it

that still runs like

original engine, original gearbox runs fine

it just won't idle and I've tried to do all sorts of

things but it's

What's an OU?

What does it OU?

I've paid four grand for it.

What if it was a great car with an OU wouldn't it?

Exactly.

I looked at it and thought it's

a Merc and I've tried everything

to get this thing to work but it's this sort of

primitive early

EFI type setup so it's an electronic

the throttle

is a cable throttle but it's got like an electronic

idle control inside that

that's sort of a little electronic motor that does the idle

Is it like a Kjet

Tronic or something like that or some early

boss system?

It's just

the trouble

is it's not worth

pursuing because it's so gutless

like the reason it's lasted so long

is because even when you floor

it really it really goes over like

three and a half thousand RPM

in a four cylinder petrol like

the red line is six but like I've never taken

it anywhere near that.

So when you ask the question it says what?

Yeah

it's been

I bought it off a couple in the 80s

who had it since almost new so

it's always been looked

after and well-serviced and it's just

it's nice and neat it's just

gutless and I'm like I can do

an engine swap on it but do I care enough

to do the engine swap on it?

If you know as your little

mate there at Link not got a solution

here look I could put a link in it again

but like it's

it's a lot of work

for a really junk engine

like it is a tiny

gutless little thing

that you don't love

that I don't love so it's like

well what's the point

of frogging a dead horse I don't know

so

in some ways I don't want to quit on it

because it's neat and it's like well

it's worth almost nothing if it doesn't

work but

do I care enough to do the engine

swap that's the other thing

I think it might be time to go and visit

your mate who does the engine

rex over in Adelaide there and find a nice

C63S motor for it

Yeah again

I don't love the car enough

and just leave the rest of it as it is

See the rest of it

that's why it's looking like a bar

I could buy an old running

Falcon for two grand

and then all the parts are there

and it's a free swap

or it's a thousand

dollar swap

but I don't know

I'm still torn

I think

honestly this should be a conversation

topic that would actually

generate a lot of algorithm

work on YouTube for you if you threw this

out to the audience

I have I've mentioned

it a few times like

because I've I never planned on

that actually being on the channel

I just sort of thought I will I'm buying this

basic car I'll just do a video on it

just saying look I've got this as

a cheap extra daily

basically and then

it wasn't working

and I've got four or five episodes out of

me trying everything

hanging your head against all

I used every suggestion I could

I've talked to every Merc specialist

I could could everywhere and nobody has

an answer and there's no

there's no end in sight

yeah besides that it works

fine like air cons nice and cold

everything works

it's immaculate it's still got the

original like first aid kit

and warning triangles in the boot

normally sort of things that came with

it is an immaculate old car

yes

it's just very uninteresting

yeah it was a wagon

I would swap it for sure but it's not a wagon

yeah okay

yeah I'll

I'm partial to a fast wagon

and there may be something like in the future

of yeah I'm still

what my next boots gonna be in a fast

I know the UK audience love wagons

yeah

they love it

they love touring

yeah I haven't

stopped making estate cars as we call

them over here have they

I think they're about to stop

making them because everyone's buying SUVs

XC90s or whatever it's a new middle

class car of choice

so I think they're about to stop making

them but over here I did see

sort of a 1985

Mercedes wagon

like you know pure beige

in beige

with brown interior

it's manual as well

a rinse of got it

and it's for sale

it's like £7,000 or something

and I thought do I want that

we didn't have air conditioning so I thought no

for those three days

yeah

two months

you get an air con

is like people who buy an SUV

right

with off-road capability

who live in the city

but the thing I don't understand is there's so many SUVs

without off-road capability and you go

what's the fricking point

there's so many of them

it's because you can't buy

sedans and wagons anymore no one makes them

Ajma

that is true

that was the issue with my 911 for

many years is

I had no heat

in my old 911 and

like I said I get mornings here that get down to

minus six

and in a 911 with

no heater you don't even have radiant heat coming off the engine

because the engine is behind you so I would actually

I'd have a coat

and gloves and a beanie

and I'd still be freezing

driving the car in winter it was terrible

I can't believe you didn't fit

SSI heat exchangers or something like that to it

Jeff

they didn't make them in the size that I

I've got aftermarket headers on it

and they're

I think they're two and a quarter inch

or something in an odd size

and like two and a half is a bit big

two is too small

so it was this weird size

so I've actually

I made my own heat exchangers

so I've made boxes over the headers

and basically

the trouble is that they don't

they're a bit small

and they don't create enough heat

if I'm sitting on the highway

I'm freezing

but if I'm on it in the twisties

I'm toasty

doesn't that car

you're talking about the orange car here are you

yes

haven't you got that retro

air conditioning

does that not have heat as well

no he's

he's developed a new thing

with the heat

so that's the same system they use

the thing he uses

he's got a new

the issue is that you actually have to

pump the gas

the opposite direction

to get heat

so you actually have to

have a valve

a switching valve on the pump itself

which I know he's just

developing but yeah at the time

because the aircon works quite well

well it's interesting to say that

Roof and Singer use it

because in the last two weeks

or so actually since car week

when all the new cars

have come out and they've all got

the same aircon system

which I assume is a retro air

I can't remember the name

classic retrofit and they're all

winging that it's just not cold enough

for California

the aircon

but it might be because of the size of the glass house

in these cars or whatever it is

well the 911 obviously

is really quite a glass house

because there's tiny little pillars

and you're right next to the windows

I tinted my glass

with clear

UV tint

but it's almost clear

so it doesn't look like I have window tint

sure

just for the paparazzi

you can see straight through it

I need them to be able to still take photos

that's right

I don't know

but

the blower is not

super strong

that might be the part of it then

I went on a drive

in March

and it was sort of low 30s the whole time

and I was regularly turning the aircon off

because I was getting too cold

because it was sort of on and off

I didn't have it on a thermostat or anything

sure

but it doesn't blow

like the blower is really

is a bit weak

and I know he's got a better one

but I'm sure it's still probably not as good

as it could be

and that is one of the big things

is getting the vents and the blowers to be as strong

as a modern car

so when it can actually blow on your face

when you're hot you feel like you're cooling down much quicker

but it still kills the cab down

can you just remind me

I think you even fitted the more modern vents

in your Porsche didn't you

I had basically no vents in mine

mine's a 74 so I had

those two tokens in the middle

no I didn't have anything in the middle

I had these tiny little slots

smaller than my little finger on either side

and that was it

that's actually what Ajmal's got in his car at the moment I think

I think it's the same one

I've just got the ones at the windscreen

okay

but Ajmal do you have

do you have the quarter glasses that turn open

yep

mine are fixed

so

so I didn't have any

I didn't have those quarter glasses

those quarter glasses are fantastic

I love them, I'm going to remember 356

you flip it completely the other way

it doesn't have to do at any speed

just don't have a crash

mine was one of the first years

I think it might have been the first year that they made them solid

but I still do have

the opening rear quarter glasses

so before I actually

fitted the aircon I worked out at one stage

that I could put the missed events on

open them up

and if I opened the rear quarter glasses

then it would get airflow through without the noise on the highway

the trouble is that

with the rear quarter glasses you have to stop the car

and get out

and no one opens them that often

so the rub is always really tight on the glass

when you open it right

yeah so they're always

a bit of a pain

which is one of the reasons why on my

Ferrari I made them electric

so the rear quarter glasses open

they've got the same type of rear quarter glasses

and they open with electric actuators

do you have an aircon in the Ferrari?

I do but I haven't actually

plumbed in the gas yet

but everything is there

the compressor is there

the aircon unit is there

is that the Alfa system or the Ferrari system

or aftermarket system

it's a Jeff system

classic retrofit the same guys

make a system for the Alphas

but

I had to make the tunnel bigger

the Subaru gearbox

so there's no space for it

so I actually have two separate systems

I have a heater

I have the aircon system in the center

above the gearbox

behind the dash

that is for the

aircon cooling

but then I have a heater

behind the passenger side

glove box

and on the factory

heat slider

so you go from cold to hot

I set that up with a micro switch

so when you put it on cold

it runs the fans

from the

the one fan switch will run the fans from the aircon

but as soon as you turn on any heat

it will start opening the heater valve

but it will also

change the wiring

over to running the fan on the heater

so

at the moment you just need to gas it

and find out if this whole thing is going to work

it already works at blowing

cold air

through the fan

that works but I haven't actually

I've got the

electronic

I just bought

I didn't buy this

from anybody I just bought

the electronic compressor

from eBay

you can buy a 12 volt

aircon compressor

and the

just made my own unit up

okay come on

so yeah

I haven't had to use it yet because I haven't really

I haven't driven it enough

to need it, particularly not in summer

it's only sort of now that it's actually

finally getting to the stage

where it's actually a comfortable usable car

I'm surprised at how quickly the shakedown

I'm sure it's different because you're the owner

but considering how long you've actually

had it on the road, the shakedown

I got the impression, I did watch

I think I watched your most recent video on the El Ferrari

I get the impression

it's now the point where

it's a pretty nice car to drive

it's much, yeah

it's so much better

when I first built it

the engine mounts I used were polyurethane

leaf springs

and with a flat plane crank engine

I didn't really know this beforehand

but flat plane crank engines inherently

vibrate a lot

because that's why they develop

cross plane crank engines

so basically

with the flat plane crank

the firing order is sort of basically left

right, left bank, right bank, left bank, right bank

so the whole engine wobbles

rocks, yeah

whereas cross plane it's like

left, left, right, right

that wobble vibration

it smooths it out

and

yeah so

now I swapped those

I completely changed the engine mounts, put much bigger rubber

bushings in and

the vibrations are 10% of what they were

when I first had it

when I first had it it would

like just particularly idle and low revs

it just felt like the whole car was going to rattle

apart it was just shaking

your feelings out

of the quality of worlds at that point

but as to whether or not the cars stay together

it was just absolutely

horrendous, it was just

it was not

a comfortable thing to drive

and I was like what have I done

and now it's actually

because I didn't want it to just be a youtube build

like so many youtube builds

it looks pretty and it

moves down the road so it must be

amazing

I wanted to build

a car that was actually

a real thing that you could actually use

yeah awesome

see I need to do that with my 912 because

my 912 the engine mounts

it's just a youtube build

there are any engine mounts

it's literally just straight bolted through

it's just bolted

no you got the big bar across the back

yeah the big bar across the back

that's got rubber things in it

normally

on the ends it's supposed to have mounts

there as well but it's just bolted

straight

because normally underneath that big

big bar on either side at least if it's the same as the 911

it's got like

little rubber mounts that that sits onto

that bolts through it so

it's not a mine it's not a bar

like I've seen on another 912

it's a flat plate

massive really thick flat plate

too circular

to the ends I will say this though

even regardless

they're very smooth motors

they're very well balanced motors

so it shouldn't have too much vibration

not mine

just so we can

before we finish on the Alfarari

yes

I haven't seen much content

regarding exhaust

there's going to be a lot for a bit there

and then it's all gone quiet all of a sudden

when you end up with the make and the noise

actually like I sort of did that

and then I

it had wiring issues from the whole

from the start I sort of

I

basically when I started the car

for those who don't know what it is

basically Alfarari is a

1973 Alfa Romeo

GTV that I put a

2000 model Ferrari V8 in

and the car

didn't have a wire in it so I made

the entire body wiring loom

from scratch

and I thought I thought of everything

I put a couple of spare wires into the loom

and things like that and of course I still didn't think

of everything and then it was all sort of

cobbled together and there were things

that weren't working properly when I got it going

even it's got electric

electric power steering

and that would only work

every other time you started it so sometimes

it was like trying to wrestle with it

sometimes it didn't get enough

power so

I swapped over the fuse box and I put

a PDM a power distribution

module in it so like an electronic

fuse box

and it was off the road for the last sort of

two and a bit months or something so

that's where it sort of stopped is I started

trying to make it sound

better because it doesn't sound like a Ferrari

it almost sounds like a four-cylinder still

so

it's on

my list of things to do

but

I actually had a company in

I want to say they're in the Netherlands

but somewhere in

Northern Europe

might have been Denmark

either way

they actually

reached out and

I scanned my engine bay

and they actually designed up

a set of equal length headers

that would fit in the tiny

amount of space I have

in that space

they are the most bizarre looking headers

you can think of

but I actually 3D printed them and fit them

on the

a few loops going on

yes

but the issue is that

his initial design

it only had like sort of two millimeters

of clearance everywhere

including like the steering shaft went through

a hole between the headers

that only had two millimeters of clearance

so things like that

I couldn't actually be used like that

but that was an initial run going

okay well this is

in theory is possible

and that was with using off the shelf

bends that I could actually

sort of calculate and well

but I could actually

as they were discussing

potentially use some 3D printed

sections

so maybe the pipes overlies in some sections

so you keep the same

internal diameter

but they could actually get more clearance

in spaces where you needed them

so that is something

that's possible

but the only other issue is that

I don't know if I could actually

as they were

and as my engine mounts are

I couldn't fit the engine

with the engine mounts

so I couldn't fit the headers

with the engine in the car with the headers on

there's no way it wouldn't fit

but with the engine in the car

you can't put the headers on because you can't get to it

so like it was sort of

there was no way to actually

you would have to come up with a way to fit them as well

so it's all like a

I think you have to do the whole

Hoonigan type thing

and just put the exhaust straight out through the top of the bonnet mate

you'll be fine

the thing is you can't even get it out the top of the bonnet

because you can't get it past the spot

so the engine

it has to go down

or just cut the car in half and widen it

by about three inches you'll be fine

I could probably put two exhaust headers

out the back of the engine

and two out the front

and just fucking out from underneath

the car somewhere

a couple coming out from underneath the front of the car

I get what you're saying

but I don't know

how are you going to fit the turbos in there?

I've had lots of people ask for that

tell me now

it's not the fastest car in the world

there's plenty of supercars that are faster

but it is far too fast for a car like that

it's already scary fast

it is a very very quick little car

doesn't need boost

it's 310 horsepower

at the wheels

or 226 kilowatts

of the wheels

what's it like?

1220 fully wet

it's a lot of fun

it's lighter than the Ferrari it came out of

and it makes the same power

and it revs to 9

and it's still pulling

all the way to 9000 RPM

and even on the dyno

the power was still going up

at 9000 we were about to go for

9250 and keep revving

but my crank

trigger wheel that I made for the front

of the engine broke off

just before we did it so

I haven't been back to the dyno

it happily revs to 9

and it screams

and it just keeps pulling

it just doesn't scream the right tone

that people are expecting when they hear Ferrari engine

is that right?

yes it does not

so there is more work there

and I will be doing more

particularly now that it's actually working again

I've just realised

I've got your solution for you

what's that?

it might be time to just convert

it

you can do it

let's face it

the gearbox is already back

I know you've got the Subaru gearbox

it's in the transaxle as well

get one out of the Ferrari

it's already got a Subaru bell housing

I'm sure I could get a WX gearbox

to run like that

put that side down

there was a mate

who did

I've got a mate in Queensland

who had less in his 911

sacrilege

he had to

change the pinion wheel on the WX gearbox

but if I did it mid-engine

you wouldn't have to change the pinion gear

you just do it

just connect up a standard WX gearbox

I feel like you've already

thought about it

I could do it

I don't want to do it

have I not mentioned it

I'm sick of mid-engine cars with a rockstar

that's a front

that's a front wheel drive gearbox

in the back of a Boxster

that's what they are

they're an Audi gearbox

what is it, five reverse gears and one forward

I'll hang on the other way around

no it's

the gearbox is facing the same direction

everyone thinks it's

because it's just

instead of running on the front wheels

the Audi's are a very

front engine car

that sit way past the front axles

and so yeah

basically Porsche thought

that gearbox looks good

we'll put it in our Boxster and that's what they run

they run an Audi gearbox

which is why I put an Audi V8 in my

Boxster track car

that has been sitting in my yard for a long time

which I was going to ask you questions about

yes I have

so I watched the last

video where you put paint on it

sort of

yeah

and I watched the previous video as well

when you went into the track

when the lights fell out

and I felt like that was the video

where I just saw the change in your face

going off just flipping

and enough of this

and then when you start putting the paint on it

it was literally like I'm throwing paint at it

there was no luck

you were like yeah it hasn't gone properly

but yeah it's fine

the fact is

look I'm not

I realized

when I bought it I was really thinking

I was going to build a time attack car

that was my ultimate goal

what can I do

and the more I've sort of

well time attack is coming up this weekend in Sydney

it's a huge event over here

and the more I look at that

the more I realize that

I just don't want to throw that money

at the car

there's no such thing as a low budget time attack car

it's

millions of dollars

oh it's crazy

and I wasn't even expecting to be competitive

just go and have fun

but like it's really

you need massive power

and serious aero

and yeah it's got to be

a really big thing

and if I just want a car

to go to the track

I have my 911 which

I can just run around all day

without complaining

and the tail lights will stay in

well to be fair

the tail lights on my box

fell out on the track

because I did not realize that the previous owner

must have pulled them out at some stage

and never actually bolted them back in again

so they had no bolts they were just sitting there

and so they eventually just fell out on the track

can I expect pedal a second time attack

yes

time attack youtube videos

especially Japanese stuff love it right

yes

you said big power big aero

yes

and you see there is big aero on these cars

spaceships right

I just don't know how well

tested or proven some of this aero is

a lot of it looks a little bit backyard to me

when I look at the size of some of these

wings and front splitters

and rear

diffusers and stuff

I'm thinking I don't know

I don't know whether you actually you know whether or not that works

well you know the CFT that's got into that

this little CFT that's got into that

you know that

I don't know if it has been as much

look this

there's some of that that definitely hasn't

but the high end guys are using

F1

you know F1 engineers

to design the aero

yes

but Jeff that's six people

out of the 200 runs that are happening

that day

there's probably a lot more than that

actually there are a lot of people who are like

you know you're already spending

you know

50 to 100,000 dollars

on an engine at least

a minimum

and they're spending that again

on aero designs

because it makes

such a difference if you want to be even

close to being competitive

there are listeners out there that

love and time attack

that are obsessed with it

that maybe even drive

let me know what sort of research you've done

let me know how you've developed your aero

all I want to know

I'm curious

I know there is an Aussie

guy in Sydney somewhere

who has his YouTube channel

who worked for Mercedes

for F1 for

a few years and is now

doing time attack aero designs

here in Sydney

I actually think there's probably more money

in time attack aero work

than there would be in Formula 1 because there's only

20 Formula 1 guys that would be doing it

versus time attack there could be

150 jobs out there globally right

yeah maybe

oh yeah

there's a lot more than one guy on there

that's still

yeah you might be right

but yeah so basically

with a rockstar I just sort of realised that

it's so much easier having

you know

a car for me that

yeah I don't

I enjoy a track day but I don't

go that often I go

once a year maybe

and it's generally as part of another event

so I'm not sort of

I just don't get there enough and I'm like

well

yeah I just realised that I went into it

with one intention and realised that I'm not actually

that guy I'm more

I really wanted to do the build

to be honest

I love building cars

as much at least

if not more than driving them so

it's fascinating

yeah I don't think it's a mystery

so I've got home drive by built

I'm by Jeff

home drive by built

well I chatted with

Mike from

Stanceworks and I think he's sort of

in a similar boat that

he just

I think he loves driving

but the build

I'm sure he'd be similar situation to me

that if you could only drive or build

for the rest of your life I'm sure he would do the build

rather than the drive

is that the guy doing the f40 v12 thing

yes

his videos of

they're very

they suck it in

yeah I often see

I'm not watching a 45 minute video

oh my god I can't believe the video is already over

yeah it's that type of

video he's got just by those hypnotic voices

as well you know where he's

very

process driven it's

great listen, great watch too

he's methodology

but that's Jeff's frankenhall video

I've got no interest in trucks

zero

Jeff's like I'm about to start this new project

I'm like oh he's gone to trucks

I'm like I'm no interest in trucks

and then I'm hooked

I'm like every week I'm waiting for this video

what's he did this week

I don't know how it happened

I've got a complaint about your latest video

yes

here it comes and I'm sure you've

heard it in the comments

I got clicked by it

which one was that

the front flip the front end

I thought whole guards and everything were coming up

I thought I'm looking

I thought that

I can't wait to see

oh he's just done the bonnet

just looks like a 240Z

I thought

why is he doing this

he's just put the steering column

through the side fender

I was just going to work

I was exactly the same as him

I don't remember putting a curve in that cut

that he had to put in the side guard

to make this thing flip

I didn't know

it was just

I mean

I'm not the greatest YouTuber in the world

which is because I just don't plan

things out very well

if I actually planned out

my

projects and

maybe even didn't do a weekly video

and did a video every few weeks

when they had like a

major milestone

but

I just sort of

scrabble around and go

what am I going to do this week

and put together a

it's working for you

you've got plenty of people that love watching your videos

us too included

whilst it may not be perfect

it still fits

it fills a spot for us

I enjoyed

just thinking you've made a few videos

where you've kind of gone back to the Alpharare

and done a little bit of

I like the shakedown stuff

and the exhaust and a little bit where

you've done the wiring or the power steering bit

and what a lot of YouTubers are doing

is they're having a like a two channel

a second channel

and at first I was like why are they doing that

but it's to work the algorithm isn't it

it's to stop the algorithm working against you

on your main videos because if you put out

secondary video that's not a big video

that's in a big build that everybody's waiting for

it then affects your big video

because you've got fewer people

you're a little tweaking at something

have you thought about doing that

I have

the trouble is

it's starting again and it would

it does hurt me

but like things like most of my rockstar videos

are like a bonus video

there's a second video for the week so they don't do

as well as the

my Sunday videos

my videos always come out on Sunday over here

and

the fact is that I'm lazy

I don't think that much is true

I just put out the

I never planned on being

an inverted commerce YouTuber

it just sort of happened

I started doing videos

when I'm building my 9-11

wait, wait, wait, let's backpedal it

weren't you doing some house rental stuff or something earlier

I did some of that as well

I was just sort of filming everything I'm doing

I'm like well if I'm working I might as well just film it

I did about 10 episodes

of building

which

three years ago I knocked that house down

and that's when the new house is built

so that was

that could have been a whole different channel you could have killed it

yeah well again

I didn't want to advertise the fact that

my shed was on a vacant block

you get visitors you don't want

yeah that was it so now I'm living back there

yeah I get it

do you think there's a

YouTuber out there that produces less content

than that is more successful than

Tavaarish

oh my god yeah

at least not in automotive

the guy's a genius

that was very well

he must have probably about one video a quarter

these days

he's a nice one

but he makes sure that they're going to

be

big videos

and

I know he's copped a lot over the years

because he's had a lot of projects

that he sort of got and then never finished

he still

does finish projects

but

you get the most views from the new project video

so if you're always announcing a new project

you're getting it more views

it's just what it is

detailed view

project builds

are not great for

the algorithm

my Alpharari build was on up to

233 episodes on one car

it's not good for YouTube

the first 10 were amazing

yeah

maybe 4 or 5

would be max

is maximum ideal

Matt Armstrong is really killing it

he's the one who's really just

absolutely nailing it

everyone loves a crash car come good right

look it's really entertaining

and I've had people put them forward

people said why can't you

do stuff more like Matt Armstrong

I watch all these videos I love his content

but

I compare his stuff to what I do

he's putting together

reassembling Lego cars

and I'm making the Lego pieces from scratch

his stuff is fantastic

but it's a very different thing

from making a

detailed Resto mod

and creating every single part

it's just

he takes back to what it was

with a bit of

modification

square or whatever but basically

it's repairing a damaged vehicle

and finding

the parts and whatever

it's not

he's doing a great job

and everyone loves to know there are a million dollar lamb

beginnings out there with 7 dollar parts on them

that type of content everyone loves that stuff

absolutely

I like that

because if you look at the latest Tavaresh video

that was dropped yesterday I think

on the 918

on the 918 Spyder

you don't know he bought from Canada

he had fire damage

he dismantled it

to avoid the tariffs

so he took the engine out

and he sent it as

pieces

and it dropped yesterday

it was just tearing down the engine

it went live yesterday

and he's got 750,000 views

not bad

whereas Matt Armstrong

has just gone live

with his Revolto video I think

and he's cobbled all of them together

to make it a much longer video

and that was

a day ago

and that's 2.7 million views

that's amazing

he's killing it

he's just

he's just really likeable

in years

yeah

he really does a great job

I wonder what he's going to spend that 11 dollars

off AdSense on

the thing is

the difference is I like a restoration

where I like somebody resurrecting

something that's old and been neglected

we all have a taste

I do like Matt Armstrong's videos

but I'm not

interested in driving

a high-end Lamborghini

or

Uros or something like that

I'm not massively interested in those things

I

feel the same way as a kid

I think we all love the latest supercars

they were the most amazing thing

and now as I'm older

I sort of look at it and go

I mean

I could sell my cars

and buy some nice new supercars

but even if I had the budget for new supercars

I'm just not interested

I'll be much more interested in that

in a classic

then Hoovey I think has just bought

a

Gullwing or Sadie

I know that's crazy

that is so much better than a Bugette Bugatti

like I've no zero

interest in Bugettes

but it would definitely be

much more my speed

I'll ask you guys

you just mentioned

Jeff that

when you were young

you were very interested in supercars

now the supercars you liked when you were young

are now classics

I hate to break into you

because you're at an age

same with you Oshma

unlike me

but in your series

when does it stop

when does that

at what

if you are say

at 25 years old

anything after you've turned 25

is no longer interesting

as anything under 25

I'm curious to know when is that actual number for us

like my thing of myself

I think

when I think supercars after about

2000

pre 2000

supercars I still get a little bit excited

about it you know but after 2000

a lot less

or is it 95

and is the number that

tied a bandwidth that we can actually predict it

because you see in car values like at

Monterey car week all the

old cars super soft

auction prices like the arse

is completely falling out of classics

and 1990s and 2000s cars are going through the roof

right so

that is an age thing that's absolutely

an age thing because the super

old car like you know the DB5s

the e-types the gull wings

they are those people are dying

those people are out of the money

or they've got no they're losing interest in that kind of thing

and so you know if

let's say suddenly we were given a black check

you do whatever you want and you know you're going to kind of sway

towards the cars that were on your

you know on the wall when you were a kid

the 959 the Diablo is the F40s

the 308

apart from the 909

they're always Italian

they're always Italian exotics

apart from the 959

and so but then

you've got that that's a super high end

that we're all interested in but then

we're also of a certain age that when

there's cars that we would want to now buy

which are probably the cars that we coveted

when we were 17, 18, 19 that we

saw everywhere and everyone else driving

they might be hot hatches

they might be you know some performance car

that was readily available

and anyone could buy

some of them disappeared because

they weren't cars that would last forever

others are classics and really

expensive so you know I was looking

at the other day a Cleo

Renault Cleo Williams

hardly any of them left

and they cost so much money

and you know or

it's a lot of money for 115 horsepower

yeah and it's ridiculous

right so but then when you think

of you know the Peugeot 205 GCI

the Renault 5, the Golf GCI

whatever they might be

there's small cars that were everywhere

and as a 17, 18 year old you would have thought

oh my god that would be amazing if I had one of those

and now you go could I probably

I could probably afford one and you look at it and go

go fuck no no

the reason I've been at the age

thing is who these

current purchase of that Gullwing

which is

you know a lot okay for me

it's definitely a top five if money was

I think it would be in the garage for me

I love them right, I love the design

I love everything about them

the

not to give away too much on the channel

but who these like 15 years younger than me

yeah

I'm surprised that cars

on his list

at that bigger age gap

that's nearly a generation

yeah but aren't some cars

just timeless

timeless don't you know

why who's bought one

because the values are falling on the cars

well I mean I love that

car and that's way before my generation

as well like really

yep um yeah so I wouldn't make

a coveted coveted

you'll appreciate what a good car is right

but but I said

that would still be yeah probably on my

top five money no object

car list as well

so yeah I don't know I mean

for me I think that when you're saying the

time thing I think it's sort of

it's sort of got to a stage and then it stopped

it's like you see some old people

with the same haircut they had it

at 30 and then it's

the same haircut that forever

yeah

never goes out

yeah I'd love to say mine was by choice too as well

all the same music choice

you sort of keep listening

to new music and then it's like oh all this new stuff

and can you just want to listen to the same

classics like you sort of get to an age

and then it just stops yeah where is my Adam in the

end

yeah okay and like

I think after miles points partly relevant

where some cars transcend generations

and the 300SLs

clearly one of them like

you know 250 California because of Ferris

Bueller you know what I mean there's some cars

that will always be

you know on the dream

list for a lot of people but

I was just really surprised

that he bought that car

but he has had a lot of cars that would have been

on his list but he has had a Diablo

he has a Qantas he has had a

Bugatti you know

there's a little bit

so the YouTubers you know

you see a ton of stuff where they go I've bought this

blind and that's the clickbait right

I've bought this kind of blind and then you

go they don't buy cars

blind like I buy them blind

no no no

when they turn up and you go

oh my god what an absolute

heap of shit they don't

do that you've misinterpreted

the term blind you've just had 18

prosecco's when you've been on ebay

that's the type of blind you are

I've only done that twice

okay on a 912

and a 996

no you can have a Boxster at some stage

it was the Boxster

it was the worth Box turn

yeah

and when you go

when you see them and they go I bought this blind

but then you find out hang on

it's been in storage it's been really looked after

like the Qantas and the Diablo

that who have you bought

they were cars that were unused

but they were in fantastic

condition and of course he had to spend money

to get them going but

they were instantly worth almost double what

he paid for them

and that wasn't oh I've just taken a chance

on a defensive car he's

done something who's gone I cannot lose here

yeah

he's also his whole business model

is buying and selling cars

so like he's bought that going

and it doesn't mean

that he's going to be keeping it for the next

you know till he dies

four episodes yeah

yeah exactly like he buy and

keep it for a while make a few videos and then

when he can't make any more videos on it it may

like I don't know if it's a stream

but he may just move it on

it has to pay for itself

do you think he's going to get to a point

where

he's going to run out of people in Kansas that don't own

movie cars

because of how quickly he churns through

anyway enough about a YouTube we don't know

hasn't been on the channel

we need to get him on

yes we do actually

yeah I'll talk to him

okay give me a chat

hey movie

Jeff we really appreciate you taking the time

and having chat with us great to get an update on

how things are going

you know a little bit of

chatter outside of what your normal

posts and videos are like

it's nice to get the

a bit of information that would be on the second

Jeff channel if you made one

yes well I mean

I have plans for

you know bigger

grander things moving forward but

yeah everything's still in the

in the pipeline at the moment so

it's just

I'm always impressed by how

slightly I wanted to ask you this earlier

how you get your wife to get involved

like sometimes I have to get

my wife out just to pump the pedal so I can

leave the break like she's like

FML why are you making me do this

yes why don't you buy a better car

no actually

like she's

she's really good sport she has

very little interest in cars

she's you know

she doesn't like going on spirited drives

with me like she gets

car sick and yeah

but she's wait

are you dropping a bombshell here she does not

do the fun facts but

herself do the research and all of that

no research no

which is maybe why they were always bloopers

and everybody always

asks why don't you get a teleprompter

I'm like where would the bloopers be

if there was a teleprompter

I think

I think at the

look I've been in a fortunate position

to meet Mrs. Jeff

and she is a good sport

and I think that as long as it keeps

Jeff happy I think she'd be okay doing it

yeah look I think she's happy

sometimes she's like oh I'm exhausted

and we still have to film this

for today I'm like we've got to film it

like yeah

I've got to get edited and get it posted

on the weekend because I mean I'm very strict

on my timings

I'm very routine based so everything

has to be

ready at a certain time so

great

Hajmal any more questions

I have loads but we're

out of time

okay then

thanks for having me guys

we really appreciate

you taking the time

to have a gas bag with us

listeners you're actually going to get this a better week

after this conversation so

if there's any bombshells Jeff wants to drop beforehand

let us know

I will have seen you at time attack

maybe but yeah

fantastic here

no bombshells

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