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Hello. Welcome to the Fasten of the Curious Gold. This is a celebration of some of our

favorite moments over the last three seasons. I am Betty Glover. This is Christian Hugo

and Christian. Who are we talking about today? You're about to enjoy some George Russell

who's been on the podcast throughout our time. He's always dropped in. Tends to drop in

once a season does George and we always really enjoy talking to him. Consistent, George is.

Consistency. On the track and on the podcast. On the track, I think he's ready to fight for

a world title. I hope he gets the opportunity in 2026. He did nothing to harm his reputation

2025, only enhance. We've got Toto Wolf who we've only had on a couple of times but we've

loved. So you say this a lot, you just find him and I'm the same, like one of the most

fascinating men in sport. He's just, he has this aura, doesn't he? So incredibly

fascinating. He's got the aura, like you say. He's got the sort of Pep Guardiola effect

in the way that he is when he stands there. When he walks through a crowd, everyone sort of

parts for him like he's Jesus. But he's so good and he's got such a good way of talking

to people and getting the most out of people. And he's also put up with a lot of

shit from us when he's come on this podcast. Like what's the time, Toto Wolf?

Yeah. And Kimi Antonelli as well, who started great, struggled a little bit this year

in the middle and then rallied again at the end, which is brilliant. As he grows into Formula

1, remember he's so young and so few. Well, I don't think anyone really because even Max,

you know, when he came in super young, he was in a, he was in a Toro Rosso at the time,

an RB equivalent. So it's a unique test to be thrown in this young at a team this high up

the field. So I'm excited to see Kimi grow into that role more next season. And do you know

what I'd like, Betty? I think it would be, it would be good for the sport to see,

I've got no preference on who wins the Constructors Championship, but I want it to be a close fight.

And I think Mercedes joining the Red Bulls and the McLarens of this world, like it would be

good for the sport. So I'm, I'm really hoping this era of F1 2022 to 2025, the ground effect

era, they never got the hang of it. It was a disastrous era for Mercedes. They're in this

sport to fight for championships. But the 2026 cars are a little bit closer. Ground

effects gone. They're close and we'll dig into this more on the podcast next year,

but they're closer to the cars that Mercedes had success with in times gone by. I really hope we

see this team fighting for world championships. It would be very good for the sport.

And let's be honest, they've got the drivers to do it. They have got two brilliant drivers

and they're being led by brilliant team principal. So here's the best bits from the

Mercedes gang. February 2023. Okay. So we're, we're in the pit lane joined by the one and

only Toto Wolf, the team principal of Mercedes. Toto, how are you doing?

I'm doing pretty well. Thank you. And you? Yeah, great. Thank you. So I'm Betty. This is Christian.

Hello. And this is Greg. Hello there. Welcome to the Fast and the Curious. Do you like the name?

I like it very much. Are you the Fast or the Curious? Well, what do you think, Toto?

You look fast. Oh, thanks very much. And maybe I'm fast and curious. No, we, they,

they are fast. Your drivers are fast and we are the Curious ones. So it's a pleasure to have you on

the podcast. Your role is so interesting though, right? As team principal, because you've got to

deal with all of these people and different personalities, keep them together so that

you can win world championships. Yeah, but it's not only these two. We are, we are in an

organization with a thousand people on the chassis and the same amount on the engine side.

They are all very special people. For me, it's 2000 superstars, not just two. And what

try to do in the organization, all of us is really to extract the best possible behaviors

and values, but also, of course, performance of each and everyone. And we want people that have

this extra motivation and drive. And that brings with it that you're not always very,

you know, that you're more complex. Because what makes you do this extra effort and that

can be, you know, hard upbringing, humiliation, trauma. But I'm not saying that everybody had

had these problems. I know very successful people in their own way that haven't had that,

that the children they had a wonderful upbringing, but still complex. I like the complexity of the

people. But I've been fortunate enough to be interviewing Formula One drivers for a few

years. And it's struck me that whenever I've interviewed people like George, like Lando,

who are kids in their early twenties effectively, you don't feel like you're talking to someone who

is in their early twenties. When I'm a touch older than them, I don't feel like I'm talking to

someone younger. And you mentioned it when we were chatting before the interview that

karting is a pressure cooker. Formula One drivers have been in karting since the age of six, seven,

eight. I suppose it must age the motorsport quite quickly to deal with this huge pressure

that's placed on them from day one. And you must have to work with them on that.

I think that any very competitive sport does that. Children mature and grow up much faster

from a certain point, because obviously you lack maybe other social interactions that you would

have if you're just a regular kid in school. But I've had the same feeling. When I sit down

with George, for example, it doesn't seem to me that he's in his early twenties. I have a

discussion with him eye to eye. I can learn and I'm interested to learn. And the same with some of

the other drivers that I was lucky to meet. Yeah, very interesting. They also talk much more grown

up. They really do. That's why they're not fun. I still think they're a little bit fun.

It must be fun. There's something in them. There's maybe a screw loose, maybe.

Actually, ours are more fun than the other ones. Yeah. But on that, so there's a weird conflict

then, because you know the dangers of the sport and you know what it does to certain people's brains

and their lives. But you love it so much, clearly. What keeps bringing you back to the sport?

What is it that you still love about it? It's so brutally honest

that the stopwatch never lies. You know, you can make up stories in politics or

you can create a narrative around any other business, why you have done well or why you haven't.

Here it's almost obsolete to even do a press conference because the stopwatch is going to

tell you whether you've been good enough or not. Is it that simple? Is that how you look at it?

Well, yes. That's how simple it is. That's how I look at it. And obviously, from my side,

there is also the business component. It's the interaction between sports and the honesty of

the sport. And then on the other side, the business itself. We are an organization that does

around 500, about more than 500 million pounds in revenue. So that's not small,

deploying two cars and going around the world. So that makes it very exciting.

The way this podcast is going to work is Greg is almost our team principal, right? So Greg is sort

of you and me and Betty are almost kind of like Lewis and George. What advice would you give to

Greg as the team principal, sort of managing us going forward? And we're tricky. Got all sorts of

issues. I do tricky. Do you think they're fun? More fun than your drivers? About the same.

Toto, I'll tell you, will you? Very fun people. What are the tips? How do you make it as a team

principal? Embrace the complexity. All the good people are a little bit difficult.

And try to understand what drives them. Yeah, what does drive them? Management advice from

Toto Wolf. Well, I know what drives you, Christian. Literally Formula One. I have very little

personality outside being a Formula One fan. I know it sits. But that's good. Like you

are like me. We are one trick ponies. Yes, exactly. You'll just be good at the single thing that

interests you and try to be the best. And I'm good at almost nothing else, really. Honestly,

you're a terrible sportsman. Very clumsy. Welcome to my world. Oh, it's lovely to be here. So it

really is. You know, give me a ball and whether on the feet or in the hand and you will see the

worst that you can probably possibly imagine. Pep Guardiola can help you with that. He'll

teach you how to kick a football. I don't think anybody can teach me how to kick a football.

Do you get a break as team principal? I have breaks all the time because I love what I do.

I haven't, you know, I don't, I enjoy what I'm doing. I even enjoy talking to you today.

Told you it was fun. No, again, I'm not a native. So it's, you don't even take every word

how it's being said. No, I, yeah, sometimes you have to decompress. But I like it. I've

been on the road the last three days between Phoenix, Los Angeles, New York, and then arrived

back in the night here for our sleep. And I enjoy it. It's not that it, that I see this

big work. So I've been skiing a bit. Lovely. Are you good skier? I think. But every time

when somebody shoots a little photo or video, I'm being brought back down to earth that

it actually doesn't look that good as it feels. But yeah, I ski a lot. Interesting. There's one more

thing, Toto, when we were brainstorming ideas for the podcast. Oh God. One of the features we came

up with was going to be called What's the Time, Toto Wolf. Do you like that as a feature name?

Do you get what he means? No. No, right. Okay. Okay. Well, can I just ask the question

then? What's the time, Toto Wolf? It's four, I think. Thank you. Are we going to explain this to

Toto now? Yeah, there's, what is it, a school thing? It's like a nursery rhyme. A nursery rhyme.

What's the time, Mr Wolf? Okay. And then the wolf turns around and goes, it's dinner time.

And then chases the kids. It's a very famous thing. Okay. It's a bit of a British nursery rhyme

game. They play it at schools and somebody gets to play the wolf and it's like,

what's the time, Mr Wolf? And when Greg gets up early in the morning. I find it very funny.

We're wasting your time now, please. I need to look it up tonight.

When Greg had been awake for quite a long time and we were coming up with ideas and that was

the point was we're getting a bit delirious and tired. We need to stop now. But it was one of

the potential names of the podcast, which come out with the name. We think, I don't know. What

can we call it? What's the time, Toto Wolf? Luckily, we finished on the Fast and the

Curious. Well, they're both not great names, but you choose at least one.

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April 2023. George, moving away from tennis and back to Formula One, which is a radical

thing to do. But on our last episode, we had a certain Oscar piastry. Now,

we also told Oscar that you were on our next episode and we didn't prepare George for this,

but Oscar said there is something interesting about the way you two first met. Do you know

what he means? You're smiling at suggesting you do. I mean, I don't really know how much he

gave away of the previous. Will you give away as much as you're comfortable giving away?

Yeah, well, I mean, it was... I mean, this is the second time this has happened to me, so it seems

to be following me. The first time was with Ross Braun, and this story may have been heard or not.

I've told it a few times, but the first time I met Oscar piastry was in 2020, I believe it was,

and I was on, we were both on the direct flight from London to Perth. I was on the way to the

Australian Grand Prix. He was on the way also to the Grand Prix as, I guess, a junior driver at the

time. And we just bumped into each other in the toilets when we landed in Perth, and I recognized

it. Because there was a specific place to wait if you were on the on the Perth flight,

because it was the same airplane from London to Perth as it was Perth to Melbourne. But all the

passengers for security reasons, you have to jump off the plane, wait in a dedicated zone,

and then jump back on the plane an hour or two after what's every fuel. So we just bumped

into each other at the toilet. I think I said, you're Oscar piastry, right? He's like, yeah,

nice to meet you. I had a bit of a chat. Were you both going to a wee next to each other?

Yeah, I don't think it was lined up directly alongside one another, but I think I think we

ended up like washing our hands next to each other at the same time. So yeah, he's a nice guy,

and yeah, it's funny how these things, these things happen sometimes.

And Ross Braun is one of the former big bosses of Formula One, and also former big boss of Ferrari,

and former big boss of Braun GP, that Jenson Butler won the championship with, and you

met him in the lose as well. Yeah, I mean, the first time I ever met Ross as well was not that

I got had the courage to introduce myself as an 11 year old boy. But the first time I was

starstruck was at the AutoSport Awards November, December 2009, obviously the year that Ross had

won the championship with Braun GP. And yeah, we was at the urinals together. Yeah, it's maybe

another 10 years down the line, I'll bump into everybody else at the Toyota.

This is your thing, George, that you just managed to just meet everyone in toilets.

I love it. Well, I mean, it happens often now, let's say,

after being a Formula One driver and semi well known. I didn't want to get people

taught to me while I'm trying to do my thing with the toilet. No, we don't.

It's a little bit off put in sometimes, but the stage fright has disappeared and I just power through

come what may. I'll say it on behalf of you, George, because George is such a nice polite man.

If you are a George Russell fan, but you see him in the lose, just leave him alone.

Okay, just wait until he's outside at the very least. He'll say hello outside, I'm sure.

I've actually been asked for a photograph inside the bathroom.

No, no.

Yeah, I've had to ask them to direct the camera away from the urinal because that's just obviously

not a very nice background. But yeah, it happens. It happens.

Imagine having the balls to go up to someone who is going for a wee and saying,

can I have a selfie? That's ridiculous.

Unfortunate turn of phrase with having the balls, but fine.

Yeah, I actually goes a very polite gentleman yesterday who saw me training. So I was doing

some intervals running up a set of stairs. It was a relatively quiet place and we were doing,

it was a 14 reps of running all the way to the top of the stairs, which about 30 seconds long,

walking down which took a minute or so. And he, on about my third rep, he recognized me,

he stopped. And as I walked down, I didn't really make eye contact, but I could sort of sense

he wanted to stop say hello or ask for a photograph. And it was about four or five

reps afterwards. He sort of interrupted to say, hi, George, no one to Bobby, join your workout,

but how many more reps are you doing? I'm ahead to have a chat. He waited and it was another

20-odd minute until I finished my workout. So that was, you know, that was another entry,

but that was also, that was also quite nice. That's nice. That's better. Okay, lovely.

Shall we move on from talking about the weird places that you make people, George,

and talk through some of our listener questions. So we get, look, those are listeners

messaging in all sorts of questions and quite a few have got questions specifically for you,

haven't they, Christian? Yeah, we put out a calling for George Russell questions and there were

loads. So forgive us if we haven't got to your question, but God, there has been so many.

The first one is from Zoe. I like this question. Please ask George what happened with formula

one's opening theme song titles? Did he pre-plan his epic pose? Did it just come to him in the moment,

or did F1 ask him? I must know what happened here. Like, did he think about it for weeks

beforehand or what? So for those that don't know, F1 has its opening titles every race,

it features all the drivers. And George, what are you doing in this year's opening titles?

Well, I mean, I think you need to see it to get a bit of context. But I think I've mentioned this

once before in a previous interview. To give some context on these days, we would go to a studio

and we'd be inside a studio for about two hours doing all sorts of different poses,

look down, look up, cross your arms, hands on hips, three courses, one way, three courses,

another way, look away from the camera, then look into, you know, doing all sorts of things.

And we were in a really cool studio in London. I mean, I had all of these

LED boards all around the studio where we were filming. And there was a section that

sort of funneled down quite narrow towards the end. So after doing a couple of my poses,

you know, a samba stuff, arms crossed, hands on hips, the videographer needed 30 seconds

to restate. And it was quite late. It was this shoot, I'd been on a shoot, started at 7.30

in the morning. And it finished at 6. And then I went to the F1 shoot that started

at 6.30 and finished at 11 p.m. So it was, you know, I had a full day of pilgrimage.

And this time it was 10 p.m. at night. I was pretty tired. So I actually just put my hands

on either side of the LED boards to sort of rest and just chill out, just put my head,

hung my head down. It was a bit tired, been a long day. And the guy was like,

yeah, I like that. Do that again. I didn't even know this. So I did this just two or

three times. Just I was literally just resting there looking down. The camera came in. I looked

up and I'm like, yeah, we like this. So it wasn't be planned. It wasn't even a pose. It was just me

taking a breather from, yeah, I guess 12 hours of more to unless, yeah, 13 hours of 30, 14 hours

of filming. And that's what they used. And that's what we used. And are you happy they've

used it? Because it's got a lot of attention. Yeah, I mean, I'm feelings, mixed feelings.

I think, I think that it's kind of also a bit of a lesson that sometimes in life,

the best things come from not even trying. You know, we were there for two hours filming,

doing all these kind of things that people wanted me to do. And then totally unexpectedly

got the shots for not even trying to do anything actually just from taking a rest. So

I think sometimes the more you chase something, the harder it potentially is to achieve. So

you just chill out some time and take a breather. That's a nice deep quote there, George. That's

a life lesson for us all. Life lessons with George Russell. July 2024. Hello and welcome

back to the Fast and the Curious with me, Betty Glover. Me, resident expert on Formula One. And

as it's written in front of me here, Paddock Princess, audible sigh, Christian Hughgill,

and me, team principal, Greg James, but actually not just me. Who else is here?

George Russell. Hello. Hey. Hi, George. How are you? Very good. Whereabouts are you,

George, exactly? Yes, I'm at the racetrack. I know. I know where you are. Go on.

This is where we thought Bradley Lord was going to be last episode. I think you're in

Toto Wolf's office. I'm in Toto's chair right now. Oh, yeah. I mean, I don't know if I can put my

seat up here or not. There's a natural swagger to you anyway, George. But there's an even bigger

swagger when you're in that chair. There's something about the Toto chair that gives,

do you feel it, don't you? You can feel it. You're rocking. I don't have a chair like

this at home. I'm just quite enjoying being in, I feel like a boss in this chair. It's

so incredible how much a boss chair does to your aura. Give us a 12. Full 360. Full 12.

I don't know if I'm going to make it. I've made it. I've made it. Do you feel powerful in the chair?

I feel like you should have a white cat and you should be stroking it.

Well, I've got a globe here in the background. That's all I've got right now, but I'll make it then.

That is quite evil supervillain to have a globe, isn't it? It's like Toto just going,

where should we conquer today? I don't know why we've got an Oscar's award here as well.

I don't know what this is. What's this, what's the award? What does it say?

It says original screenplay. I think it's a bit of an internal joke.

Interesting. Tell us about O'Rouge. I want the POV of what it's like for someone in a 4x1 car

going around that famous part of that circuit. Something that most of us in the world won't

get to do. Take us there, please. I was actually talking to Brad Pitt about this this morning

because I think he's about to do some laps. What? What a name job that is. Hang on,

this is already the best interview. You've been twirling on Toto's chair and you've dropped Brad

Pitt. Okay, what did you say to Brad Pitt about O'Rouge then? Well, first I said you'll enjoy it,

but then I said it's like a roller coaster. You go through the first bit and the car compresses

down and you feel your arse scraping on the floor. Do you? And then as you go up through O'Rouge,

you know, suddenly you felt lifted, you know, like you're on, you know, what's the flying carpet?

What's the? Aladdin. Aladdin, sorry. You feel like Aladdin a little bit as you go through O'Rouge

and the car lifts up and you're floating through and then you grip and you go on,

all in the space of about a second. So it's pretty cool. Wow. What's Brad Pitt like? Is he nice?

He's a massive, he's a massive one fan. He's followed everything and obviously there's a lot

going on with the new movie. So that's, that's super exciting, but he's, if a way he really

wants to be here and be doing it, I think he's really enjoying the driving side, but I'm sure

it's probably more fun than other movies, maybe based on in the past. I mean, who doesn't want to

drive race cars around racetracks? Yeah. Well, just on that, he was present at the last two

British Grand Prix because they were filming for the F1 Films. We've seen a trailer for it.

So quite odd that he was in the driver lineup on the grid. Well, you must have been aware

that they were doing that, obviously, but looking down the line and seeing all your,

you know, all the regulars and then going, what the f**k? That's Brad Pitt at the next

and max best happen. That's quite a mad thing, isn't it? Yeah, that was a little bit surreal, but

to be honest, when you're sort of in the zone, you wasn't, I wasn't even thinking or looking

at it. You've all your emotions going on. And I mean, to be fair, all of the drivers

have messed with him a few times now. We, and you know, we've shown us clips of the movie.

He is, he's just a normal, he's a normal guy, even though he's not a normal guy,

he's Brad Pitt. He's just like, he's a nice guy, funny guy. And I think once you've passed that,

you know, kind of speechless moment of, well, that's Brad Pitt, then you realize, you know,

it's just, just, just normal play. Yeah. I wonder if he can drive. Have we seen him drive?

Is he good? I think he's right. I don't, I don't want to be saying things that I shouldn't

be saying here. So I already feel like I've probably said a little bit too much, but he's,

he's doing a lot more than he, I think he's put a lot more practice in them than let's say was

necessarily required because he really wants to do a great job and make it as authentic as possible.

So, you know, for us, that's, that's really nice to hear because you could imagine maybe

different actors. I think everyone, we're all divas, F1 drivers of divas. I'm sure actors and

actresses of divas in their own way. And you can probably imagine in some other movies, it's like

arrive as late as possible, leave as soon as possible in and out and just do the bare minimum

that is, you know, contractually required. But to hear that, you know, someone of his caliber

wants to do more and is really enjoying the process. It reminds us of actually how special

it is what we do. I want to talk a bit about your off track activities. And I'm talking about the

Grand Prix Drivers Association. You sort of, you run that now, George. And we were talking about

this with Bradley. And it's, it's a real, it's a real mark of where you are as a,

as a driver, but also as a person that you want to help the next generation,

the generation after that. And you want the sport to continue thriving. And I think it's a really,

it's a really honorable thing that you're doing there. Do you enjoy that, that side of the sport

and getting more involved in that? Yeah, to us, I do, because I think it's,

I think it's important the drivers have a voice. And, you know, we, you know, we often talk

between the 20 of us. But at the end, there's going to be somebody who goes forward to

share that view with whoever it may be. So yeah, I kind of got elected to be that, that,

that person. And probably because I always have one of the strongest voices in the past or cared

the most. But also, I want the sport to be in the best place possible. I want to have the best

racing, the best cars, the best tracks, you know, improve safety where it's required.

And if it's good for the sport, it's good for everyone. So it's something I've enjoyed.

I'm glad that you use the term elected, because

Oh, it wasn't really, it wasn't an election as such. It wasn't quite from Biden.

But it brings me on nicely to a bit that has been signed off by Bradley Lord, one of your

overlords, one of our all of our overlords, really, to talk about this next thing. Now,

I'm going to wash my hands of this. This is very much a Christian and Betty thing.

Oh, God.

But I'd like you, Christian, to introduce George to

something that you created on his behalf. And I just want to want to run this past you,

George, if you, if you give this a seal of approval, it keeps going. If not,

you are within your rights to shut this down.

Kill it. Well, we, me and Betty were thinking we needed a way on the podcast of sort of running

through the bits of paddock news. And one of us said, Oh, it's like a paddock notice board.

And I was like, yes, like a community notice board, like you see in a village.

And one of us said, well, we need someone would need to run that. Who would it be?

And I, well, I was on George's chair of the Grand Prix driver's association.

George's got clearly George is responsible. There's certain drivers. You won't want

anyone near him. I'm not going to name any name. I am Alex Albon. For example,

you won't give him a position of responsibility. The man's chaos.

He can't even spell.

He can't even spell. Exactly. So it's like a few years ago, it might have been Seb

Vethel. He was like the position of responsibility. So we created. And

every time we run through bits and bobs of news on the podcast, it's like,

right, let's check the George Russell community notice board response to this.

Is this instead with love? Are you okay with this?

I'm happy to set. I have an honor to have the notice board named after me.

You know, I'll run it with right. I think that one of your team might have

a picture of the community. Yeah, I've got it in the background here.

Oh, where is it?

There we go. Okay, the George Russell community notice board driver required must

like George Russell, pets allowed. Please apply to toto at market one dot com.

Isn't it really my address? But okay, genuine applications only.

Lando was here. Yeah, he's graffiti there.

Hello, piano lessons called Charles 016 555. I like it. Do you like it?

And treat to know what else would be on the community notice board.

Well, I guess as as you're, you know, as you're on, as you're in the paddock now,

is there anything you'd like to add to the notice board? What have you seen

today that we could add on there any any breaking news from from spa?

I heard, you know, Alpina looking for a driver. So I don't know if that's the

breaking news, but we're going to go on the notice board.

We'd have to take Hasse's vacancy off the notice board. They've filled out with

extra band. Yeah, Hasse's vacancy off the notice board.

We'll put Brad Pitt on the notice board. Yeah, just throw Brad on there.

Stick him on. Why not? Absolutely.

Yeah, I'm trying to think of things to say that wouldn't be too controversial,

to be honest. So well, we wouldn't, we wouldn't mind a controversial one.

I know you wouldn't mind the controversial things. I already feel like I've said

one too many things already so far. That's our way. I just feel when I talk with

you guys and people in general, I just have this trust and I just open up and

and then I get told off afterwards for you can trust us.

I slip him things out, you know, you can trust us, you know,

Bradley Lord trusts us. We're friends of Bradley's. We're friends of yours.

He's a very trustful, you can't trust Bradley Lord. Who can you trust?

Yes, absolutely. And we're not friends with everyone, George.

Oh, are you not? All right, there's something you just filled with me too.

Aren't you friends with? Can't get Ferrari on George.

Can't get Charlie Carlisle. They've not come on yet.

That's all good, is it?

They don't reply to producer Jimmy's emails.

No. Oh, that's harsh.

Isn't it?

You know, if they don't want it, don't even ask for it.

Okay.

Maybe if you stop sending the emails out, maybe they'll email you guys.

You know, play hard again.

Yeah, good. That's a good play from you, George.

I think that might be the thing to do.

Yeah. Or just put on message for Charles, call Greg back or something like that.

Yeah, but I think it's still a little bit too, that's a little bit too needed.

Okay. Call Greg back if you want.

I think just dead silence, just like nothing. I think you need to do things to

plot in front of the Ferrari guys or, you know, the stuff you've been doing so far with

the other teams and drivers. And they'll be like, why aren't we on that?

And they'll be getting a bit of foam.

Or maybe just tell them how much fun you've had.

I could do that.

I really could do that.

That'd be lovely.

All right. I'll spread the word.

Just really quickly before you go, you started with a name drop.

Can we give you the opportunity to end with a name drop?

Betty, you saw George with a proper celeb, right?

Yeah. A big time celeb this.

So, obviously, you were at the Euro's final, weren't you?

And you were sat there watching England lose in the final.

And there next to you was Harry Styles.

What was that like? What did you talk to him about?

Yeah, I didn't have an idea what was going to be sat next to Harry.

First time I met him, a typical guy.

Yeah.

It was, you know, we all shared like a special moment

when England's four and we all jump it up and we're all hugged.

And I looked at him and I forgot my girlfriend was sat next to me.

I was like, oh, good.

I mean, I need to console the loss a little bit there.

But she obviously got the last laugh.

But, you know, as well as with Harry and James Gordon.

So, yeah, they're two super, super guys.

And it was nice to watch again with them.

Yeah, quite actually quite good people to be sad with,

because they're quite especially cordoned.

He's quite upbeat with stuff.

I think it's not a bad person to watch.

Yeah, it was a super upbeat after game.

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Kimmy Antonelli, welcome to the Fast and the Curious.

It's lovely to have you here.

Thank you so much.

Pleased to be here.

Kimmy, I know that Toto Wolf is not in Japan

and Bradley Lord, who's been on the podcast a few times,

Bradley's going to take a few of his responsibilities.

Bradley says it's absolutely fine for you to tell us

all the information you've learned in the sim.

He's very relaxed about that.

So what have you learned?

How's the car feeling?

Tell us everything.

Well, you know, I've been driving in Suzuka

because it's going to be my first time driving it

and money's a freaking cool track.

You know, it's even a bit scary in the sim

when you do the chicane.

So I can only imagine the first lap in real life

with the feeling of speed and everything

is going to feel crazy.

Man is, oh my God, I was meant to go last year

but of course I got sick so I couldn't go.

I can't remember in my time covering Formula One

any other opportunity where someone's coming

and people have just, everyone in the paddock's just been like,

oh yeah, it'll be great.

Like this kid's really, really good.

And that's obviously must be brilliant for you

but how do you deal with that?

Like the pressure of that

because the Formula One world seemed to just decided,

yeah, this guy's really special.

I've just been fascinated to talk to you about that.

Yeah, I mean, of course, there's a lot of hype around.

Pressure's been building up for sure

but I think when you've got the right people around you,

I got Mercedes, I've been growing with Mercedes

to be honest, I've been in the team since 2018.

So since I was 11, few days ago I just saw a few pictures

when I was in Monaco the first time we talked and

oh man, I look very, very little back then, very tiny.

But yeah, I mean, I think, you know, having a team,

a good team around you, I have a good family

that always guide me in the best way

but also, you know, knowing everyone in the team

really help you to not feel this pressure as much

because you know they're not gonna judge you first of all.

They're gonna be trying to help you in all the occasions.

So that really makes the difference

and really helps you to move forward and to improve.

And then as I said before, I mentioned also my family

because, you know, they've been really great supporters

and they've been helping me since I was very little

to until this day to, you know, grow

not only as a driver but also as a person.

So, you know, a lot of credit to them as well.

You're new to F1, so I don't feel like I know as much

about you sort of away from the track.

So what are the things you could tell us about Kimmy Antonelli,

not the Formula One driver?

What do you do in your spare time?

Have you got any unusual hobbies?

I'm not interested in Formula One for a minute.

I mean, I was out on my F1 geek

but what's Kimmy like away from the track?

First of all, I still drive away from track.

I either drive go-karts, drive on the simulator

or now I really got into this.

You know the little RC cars, the Scale 1-8 engine?

Yes, like...

Basically the little fancy remote control cars, as we're saying.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I actually drove for the first time yesterday

and I absolutely loved it.

My dad used to race with those back then.

So he decided to bring me to track with those

and it was incredible.

I mean, I loved it.

It's really difficult to drive them,

especially when they're coming on the opposite side

and obviously I was using the joystick.

So I had to think in the opposite way with the turning.

So yesterday, the last day, in the last run,

I was a bit tired because I did many laps

and then I think my dad called me over while I was driving it.

And I remember I got distracted and I turned the opposite way.

So I was meant to turn left and I turned right.

And this car, like at 120 km an hour,

went full into the grass and started flipping.

And I completely destroyed it.

And then...

Oh no!

So it was not bad to finish off that way for the first day,

but it's something I really like doing.

But yeah, otherwise I also tried to spend time with friends.

You know, a good, good group of friends back in the town in Bologna

and then also trying to spend time with family

because I don't get a lot of time with them.

Kimmy, you know you're only 18.

Do you still go to school?

Yeah, I have the last year of school.

Oh my God!

I have final exams.

So I'm trying at the moment to fit a date where I can do it,

which is really difficult at the moment.

That's so hard!

Yeah, I mean, I'm getting a lot of help from the school.

I'm not gonna lie.

I mean, they're sending me stuff over, but it's a big commitment.

You know, to be honest, I always say like,

you know, I'd really want to do this,

but when I think back, you know, it's important as well.

And I've been doing, you know, so many years of school

and it would be a shame just to, you know,

quit on the last year of school.

And also my mom really cares about it.

So I will do it for her as well.

Does it work with particular subjects, Kimmy?

Are you doing different subjects?

Do you get to send different sheets?

Like, I'm fascinated as to how it works

because let's be honest, you're not sat in a classroom, are you?

Do they bring a classroom out with you?

Do they bring a classroom in teacher?

That'd be fantastic.

Well, I do online at the moment.

So basically, because I go to a public school,

so I can't really do, I can't really connect during the day

because they don't really do that.

But after each lesson, they send the material

of what they've been, you know, teaching class

and also my classmates help me as well.

But, you know, definitely it's tough.

And especially this year, I got a lot tougher.

I couldn't keep up that much this year

because obviously everything intensified massively.

But yeah, I'm trying to finish it.

That must be so difficult.

So I'm sort of imagining you doing the Japanese Grand Prix, finishing

and then being like, right, okay, off I go, maths.

Oh my God, yeah, that's terrible though.

It's a terrible feeling.

I'm not going to lie.

You know, when, because, you know, math,

you know, you start off, you see numbers

and then you get to see just letters, you know, in math.

And I'm like, oh my God, why am I doing this?

But you know, it's, it's something I have to do.

But it's a really difficult subject.

I'm not going to lie.

I was terrible at it.

I was absolutely terrible at it.

Can I just, the numbers just blur to me.

It just doesn't make any sense whatsoever.

My, my favorite subjects are English

because I know very well and I don't have to study it.

And then I like AP.

What's that?

PA.

PA, sorry, PA, sorry.

So I confused PA, of course.

Yeah, you'd be, I can imagine you're natural.

Yeah.

And then, you know, you just, you just play around.

And that's it.

These are my two favorite subjects.

Good subjects.

And do Toto or George help you at all with your homework?

No.

You know, it's also we thought, I don't really talk,

we thought about, I mean,

he knows, is important as well.

But no, he didn't really, he never really help me.

But I never even asked him help for school.

I reckon George would be good at maths.

I just think George, look George just seems like the sort of guy.

Yeah.

Okay.

Yeah, I think, I think George would really help you.

I also think George would make you do your homework as well.

Okay.

Well, for the Japanese Grand Prix,

if I find him on the plane,

I'm going to go over him and ask him to help me with math

and see how we go.

Do it and then let us, let us know how that goes.

Okay, okay.

Taking you back to that first race of the season,

even though the conditions were tricky in Australia

and there'd been people crashing out on the formation lap

and, you know, it was, that was tricky.

In Australia is a tricky track as well.

The months of hyper over, the months of talk are over,

you're about to race in your first F1 race.

You're looking at the lights,

you're behind the wheel of a Mercedes Formula One car.

What's that like?

Talk me through that moment.

So I'm telling you that that was the moment I realized

I was going to be racing in Formula One.

Because, you know, it's, since last year, of course,

we made the announcement in end of, well, in Monza.

And, you know, during that period of time,

I was just trying to process that, you know,

I was actually going to be racing in Formula One.

And then when I first got into the grade for formation lap

and then, you know, lights going out and, you know,

that was the moment I was like, oh, this is,

this is like actually real, it's happening.

And there was a lot of, you know,

emotions going through that moment.

A lot of butterflies in the stomach as well.

But, you know, once the light went off,

I was just focusing, focusing on the race.

But it was a pretty, pretty special moment because,

you know, also going into the grade and seeing my dad there

standing next to the track, you know, it was a really special moment.

How did you feel when you're looking at the lights?

Are you nervous because you've got the extra pressure

of like the weather?

Are you just plain excited as your heart beating?

Like, how are you, I just can't imagine it.

How are you feeling at that moment?

Well, I had everything to be honest.

Like, the part I don't even know how fast it was going,

but pretty fast I'm not gonna lie.

A lot of emotion.

I was a bit nervous as well because, you know,

conditions were tricky was, you know, because also,

you know, I didn't really had the measure of the car,

you know, because yes, I've been doing testing,

but the thing is in testing, I was driving alone.

So it was actually the first real time I was driving around

20, 19 other cars at the same time.

So the thing I was afraid the most is like,

I didn't really had the measure, you know, with the car

and I didn't really know how much I could push it

while racing close wheel with other drivers.

So that was the thing I was, and of course,

it was wet as well.

So visibility was good work.

But, you know, once I did the first few corners,

I was actually feeling okay.

Then I had the massive moment in D5

and that was when I had to change my underwear.

Because for a second, I was facing the wall

and I was full lock opposite way.

And I was like just hoping for a car to go back straight.

It was a great save.

It was a brilliant save.

It was an excellent save.

Yeah, it didn't feel so nice in the car.

I can't imagine.

What was going through your head when you saved it

and you thought, right, okay,

what were you saying to yourself during that moment?

I think the thing is that it happened so fast

that I kind of forgot immediately about it.

Of course, I was like, oh my God, like, thank God,

it went back straight.

But then straight away, I was trying just to go back

into the rhythm because it happened so fast.

And, you know, I was just trying,

I was just so focused on, you know,

trying to progress through the field

that I kind of forgot immediately about the mistake.

But in the moment, you know, it felt really scary,

like really, really scary.

It's not 100% confirmed,

but we think we've got Oli

for his first appearance on The Fast and the Curious

in a couple of weeks time.

Yeah, so you know, in better than we do,

what should we talk to him about?

Is there a question you'd like to put to him

that we can clip up and play to him?

What should we be talking to Oli Berman about?

Or is there anything funny that you can tell us

that, so we've got a little bit of intel on him

that we can put to him when we talk to him?

You can ask him, so Spa last year,

yeah, Spa last year, we made a joke

to his physio, to his personal coach.

Right.

And we made a joke and we stole his credit card.

And stole Oli's credit card?

No, no, no, no, the trainer.

Oli's trainers.

Fine, fine, okay, okay.

That's almost worse, but fine.

And then we went on the internet

and we started buying random stuff with this card.

And Oli, and Oli, but then, you know,

when we were buying it, I was like,

do you know your trainer's address?

And he was like, yes, I know it.

So then, you know, we ship all the stuff we bought

to his house.

And we didn't tell him anything, you know?

So basically, he didn't even realize

the trainer that we stole his credit card

for like two hours.

So we were just on the internet buying stuff.

Like what were you buying?

Oh, we bought loads of stuff, you know.

I don't even remember because we bought loads of stuff.

Just like rubbish?

Yeah, yeah, rubbish.

I hope it wasn't too expensive.

I hope like a family card didn't turn up outside.

No, no, no, we were kind on that side.

Like we didn't go full on.

But I remember that was funny as well.

Because, you know, then I remember

we were with this trainer and he looked at this phone

and he was like, why is like stuff arriving to my house?

I didn't buy this kind of stuff.

And then we actually told him that we stole his credit card

and, you know, bought stuff and sent it over to his house.

So it was a really funny story.

You should ask him as well.

So I see what this is.

So you and Oli are the two troublemakers on the grid.

Exactly, exactly.

And can I just, the Fast and the Curious

and Kimmy Antonelli would all like to point out

that this behavior is wrong

and credit cards should not be stolen.

Isn't that right, Kimmy?

Yeah, it's not right.

Oli, we've got to let you go very shortly,

but we should talk a little bit more

about Formula One than we have.

Obviously you've got triple headers coming up.

It's such a busy season.

And we talked about the hype and all the stuff,

but I'm replacing Lewis Hamilton all of that,

which I know it's not quite that simple.

But looking at it, a bit more bigger picture

for the first season.

Like what's a successful first season at Mercedes for you?

Well, I think growing a lot as a driver,

these two weekends have been massive in terms of learning

because so many new things to take into account,

so many new scenarios to experience as well.

So definitely keep growing, keep being consistent.

And I think on my side, trying to maximize every result,

every race weekend, because I think Melbourne was a good one.

China was not as good, especially because qualifying,

I feel like I could have done a much better result.

But keep learning and keep improving

and keep maximizing the result.

That will be a successful season.

And whether it's going to be podiums or wins,

we don't know that.

But the goal is always to go on track and win,

but the level is super high.

But as I said before, I would be happy by knowing at the end of the season

that I did the best I could and I maximized all the results

and of course perform well.

Talked about winning there.

We obviously know that Betty gave you your first win earlier,

so that's something you've gained out of this interview.

And I'm also reliably informed that I just called you Oli

as we were just talking about Oli.

Yeah, I actually, I just realized...

Oh my God, we're bloody useless.

No, don't worry.

Actually, I'm used to this because my mum always calls me

with a different name.

What name?

Sometimes it calls me with my sister's name or...

Oh yeah, classic.

Moms always do that, don't they?

Give me the lights we've got out behind you.

I don't know.

It's okay.

I know they're back.

He's back.

Oh, there he is.

Oh, there we go.

Tell me, we'd like to apologize for not being overly competent

podcast presenters.

We'd like to apologize for that.

Don't worry.

And then, so she either calls me with my sister's name

or sometimes with my old dog name.

So...

Oh, dog name?

Yeah.

So, I mean, I used to have a dog, but...

Right, right.

Is the dog no longer with us?

It's no longer with us since many, many years,

so it's fine.

Don't worry.

Oh, right.

Okay, fine.

So we're over it.

Okay, fine.

My mum called me by her dog name,

her dog's name the other day as well.

I think it's just a mum thing, isn't it?

You just, like, roll over your head.

Yeah.

May 2025.

Who do a guest?

Let's do a guest.

I would like to do a guest, but only if it's George Russell.

Well, you are in luck, my friend,

because Beaming Live from Italy is George Russell.

Hello.

Oh, George!

Oh, look.

It's Princess George.

Oh, straight in there.

Well, it's only because Alex told us

I don't know what that means.

Alex told us, what's your response to that?

But my response to Mr. Albon is, yeah, thanks, mate.

What does it mean, George?

What's the reasoning behind it?

I don't know what the reason is, to be honest.

I think it was, I think it was,

it came from when we were both teammates

in junior formulas and I was quite,

I was quite pushy with my team with a few things.

I wanted things to be perfect, you know?

So I think they didn't like my either OCD-ness

and or my attention to details.

I think they just started calling me a bit of a princess,

which I kind of took as a bit of a compliment,

you know, because that's just how I roll,

but I guess it's, I guess it's that.

We, George, the reason we say this

is because we obviously had Alex Albon on before you.

We asked him what the first thing we should ask you is,

and he said we'll firstly call him Princess George

and see what reaction he gets when he does.

And then he also said that you basically

stood him up in Monaco the other week

and it appeared you were on a yacht.

I mean, fair enough,

it sounds like you're having a lovely time,

but what happened there?

Yeah, I've texted Alex on numerous occasions

to make plans and he just pies me off all the time,

especially when his girlfriend Lily's around.

He's one of those who wouldn't like get back to you

in weeks and then the girlfriend leaves.

Hey, mate, you fancy a coffee?

You're like, oh, now you want me?

So I just poofies, right?

I just presumed he wouldn't be around.

So yeah, we're on the boat at the weekends.

It may have been space for him,

may not have been space for him, I don't know.

I dropped my friends off after we got back to Monaco

and Alex was sort of just standing there at the entrance

of his car and like, how was the weekend on the yacht?

And he said it.

He said it with his shopping bags in his hands as well.

He had just been to the supermarket.

He was like, yeah, how was the weekend on the boat?

I was like, yeah, sorry, mate.

It feels like you were just so consistent

all the time.

You just sort of, you're managing to deliver

and do what's expected.

If you look like 2019 Power Fight presentation.

Is that what was on it?

That was what was on it.

I think so.

What else was on it?

You're with your confused face.

You're like, confusing me now of what was on the,

you know, you know, the Rocky thing me,

Lando and Alex did like that.

Yeah.

You video.

I think you're like, not in your head,

but you have no idea what I'm on about, do you?

No, I do know what you're on about.

I don't know what you're talking about.

I think so.

You went for something.

You don't know it's all it.

You've been in flight.

I've been to...

No, I didn't know.

George, actually, I do know because you went viral

for doing a Power Fight presentation

to try and get yourself a seat on the team.

Yeah.

Yeah, you don't know what I'm talking about.

That's not what I did.

That's not what I'm talking about.

So at the end of 2019, we did like a bit of a take video

me, Alex and Lando with F1 and we had to,

I think we had to sort of like say

why we were the best rookies of that season.

It's on YouTube.

Check it out.

Oh, I remember this bus note.

Yeah, I was with Betty.

I was thinking you were thinking about the PowerPoint

to join a team.

No, I was with Betty on this.

Yeah, okay, fine.

But I'd forgotten about it.

In my presentation, because I finished like T19

in every single session that year

because we weren't very quick at Williams,

I said, consistency is key.

So fast forward seven years, consistency is key.

Guys, I thought you had an F1 podcast here.

This is news.

I'm sorry.

We sorry we haven't remembered the seven real old.

You've got the Mercedes hat there like F1 fan.

Now you don't know even.

I'd like to apologize.

And I hereby resign my position on the podcast.

It'll all make sense after.

Sorry, guys.

I thought, yeah, wrong audience, wrong audience

for that joke.

I wonder, do you give advice to Kimmy Antonelli?

Because obviously he's your new teammate

and he's just 18 years old.

You must be sort of giving him bits of your wisdom.

He's, no, he's a cool cookie.

He knows what he's doing.

He's got such a good team around him.

And obviously, the team in Mercedes

are really trying to mentor him and take care of him.

Because obviously, it was such a big risk for Toto as well.

But Kimmy is delivering the goods.

And you saw it in Miami, where he did a really great job.

And I've always said it.

If you've got the speed, you've got the speed.

And he doesn't need to be taught any of that.

And you're learning your own journey as well,

because everyone's different.

You know, what works for me may not work for someone else

and vice versa.

So I've always said to him, look,

if you want to ask me anything, I'm here.

On that, George, we had Kimmy on the podcast a few weeks back.

And me and Betty were chatting before we spoke to Kimmy.

And Betty said, is he still at school?

And we had a look and we couldn't see anything on it.

And we asked Kimmy, are you still doing your schoolwork?

He said he was.

And that went massive.

You must have seen that.

It was everywhere.

And that was our fault.

That was Betty Glover's fault in particular.

We asked him about the school thing.

And Kimmy said to us, have you asked George

for help with your homework?

And he said, no, I will do though.

I'm going to.

Did Kimmy at any point come to you for help with homework?

I mean, he has asked me for a bit of help

with his maths, to be honest.

So maths was my top subject.

But the rest I was pretty rubbish.

But I did remind him I left school when I was 13.

So I'm probably not the right person to be asking.

Did you give him the right answers?

Were you good?

It's good with my two and three times table.

Fours were a little bit challenging and five.

It was an easy one.

Tens, I'm pretty good with my 10 times table.

That's all easy.

Tens is easy.

Sorry to ask a semi-serious question.

You know when you said you left school at 13,

did you have to do all the catch-up work

when you were obviously racing?

Or was it different that back then?

Could you just get on with racing?

And you're talking like on from the 90s.

Someone who is from the 90s, George,

I resent that statement that the 90s shouldn't decede.

Yeah. But unfortunately, George,

you've got to face the facts.

Kimmy is an actual child.

So unfortunately, we've all got to face it.

So life is moving.

Life is moving.

We just sat here doing our thing.

No, I did.

I did.

Did I catch up on much?

And did I do a good job of that?

Maybe not so much.

You know, racing, all the light of his camera

is horrendous.

Sorry for that.

It's pretty woeful.

Oh, you look beautiful.

Sorry.

I'm sorry.

Proto's not here this weekend.

So I've stolen his chair.

So hopefully not Bodger in slow motion.

Yeah.

Does he watch your podcast?

Because he won't be happy if I'm...

You did race last time.

Yeah.

Did I?

I feel like it's this theme, isn't it?

It's not.

We like it.

It's very broken into the headmaster's off field.

Sort of, you know, trying to emulate the evil emperor, you know.

Yeah, I mean, Toto is actually...

His son's graduation this weekend.

So his son has graduated.

So Toto's in LA.

So he can't come in and slap me on the wrist

for sitting in his chair now.

So he's a long way from home.

So I'm going to soak it up while I can.

Did you fancy being a team principal one day?

I think you'd be good at that.

Couldn't say I'm being.

No.

No, I think...

I know you've got some racing still today.

I'm not trying to retire you off.

But I mean, like, when you...

I mean, most people, unless you're Fernando Alonso,

don't race into the 60s.

So I was thinking, you know, by then, you might...

I...

Yeah.

I might be still racing into my 60s.

Who knows?

I think you will be.

You're going to be doing it when you're 80.

Yeah, I'm just going to keep on going.

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