Quad-Coats, Patina, and Junkyard 5.3s

It is the two guys ride podcast. He's Kevin Byrd. I'm Willie B. Man, I love talking to

this guy. It's one of those people you talk to and you just like, hold on, let me take

all the notes as I can. You get writer's cramp after you're sitting, you know, in a

room with this guy for 30 minutes, 40 minutes. Let him watch some of his videos. Like, come

on, paint education has taught everybody. No doubt. A wealth of knowledge, man. Decades

and decades of hard earned, you know, sweat and tears and the knowledge that comes with

it, right? There's a lot of hard knocks in there. And Kevin Tates, man, you guys know

him. He's been everywhere from trucks for years and years on trucks, right on speed

and all the other changes of networks, classic rides and then, you know, hands on cars. It's

kind of his latest gig along with his YouTube stuff. So this guy is always producing, always

making and always teaching us. It's awesome. Yeah, man. And you know what? There's always

great content, especially nowadays when you look at, you know, what's happening with

paint and, you know, cars that need to be addressed, cars that need to be a little touch

up or that next project that we're all working on, you know, we'll all finish up one day.

What's the best part about it is seeing that thing in paint. It's one thing. I think it

comes in steps, you know, when you put rims on the car and get the stamps, right? Everybody

does the look back, you know, you look back at it two or three times as you go into work

or as you go to car. Yeah, that looks good. When you get it painted, right? When you get

painted and that final, ah, that final set is just, man, it's glorious. It's what people

dream of. And then your dreams come true when you pay enough attention to some of his videos,

some of his work and what he's teaching you. Cause man, you can turn out nice paint jobs

if you just listen to follow along. And that's what he tries to show, teach and demonstrate,

man. It's always educational and great resource for figuring out problems.

No doubt. No doubt. And if I go back in time, some of the first things I got into in cars,

you know, starting with the mechanicals and kind of in parallel, I got into paint, you know,

stripped metal repair, did my first car, probably 17 ish. Dude, I painted my dad's

charging my dad's garage at like 17. I was like, I got it dad, don't worry. And it turned out pretty

very good. But what I realized was I got patience for a lot of stuff, but paint work ain't one of

them. So I kind of right turn and just totally got into engines and powertrains and sheet

model fabrication. So I've gotten dusty over the years, but I tell you what, as paint jobs

continue to get more and more expensive, man, my mental model is to kind of turn back and go,

okay, let me glean more of this stuff from Mr. Kevin Tates. Cause I might have to start

doing my own paint jobs to be able to afford, right? Keep some of these projects going. So

there's a lot of DIY to learn, man. I wonder why most people do that, you know,

they can't afford a paint job. Paint jobs, whether you paid $5,000 or $10,000 for a paint job 20 years

ago, or 30 years ago, or whether you paid $40,000 for a paint job five years ago,

you know, we're all trying to get that nice paint job. And to be honest, it's, it's involved so many

factors or so many variables. And I have a guy like this, man, it's a, it's a wealth of knowledge.

And I'd be interested to see what was it? Was it out of resource? It, you know,

I mentioned that $5,000 or $10,000 paint job. It's still a hell of a lot of money for somebody

and a lot of money, you know, for everybody 30 years ago. Now paint jobs are, you know,

40,000 plus a lot of money. So if you factor in that DIY guy, or like I could save some dimes

if I did this myself, that's probably what inspires so many people to try it. I'm sure if

it was pretty much Kevin, what was your very first like dive into paint work? What was it out

of necessity? You wanted something painted and you just couldn't afford it? What caused you to

dive into it? Initially, for the very first time, I'm sure as a kid. Oh, it was, I couldn't afford

it. I couldn't afford anything. I know. Yeah. It's always a kid afforded. That's most of us right there.

We're all broke, man. So that's where you go. That's why you're in the salvage yard,

scouring for cool parts. And that's why you're right. DIY and paint and everything else in

between for sure. I couldn't afford it has caused more experts in their respective fields than,

you know, than anything else. It's amazing. What a little bit of, you know, elbow grease,

hard work and empty wallets will do for your motivation. There's never been a better time

to start than now as expensive as farming it out is. It's way more, way less expensive to

do it yourself. And it's not that hard of a learning curve. That's my mission in life is to

show you that. All right. Well, I got a question for you, but we'll go to break, maybe answer it on

the other side. So for, for anybody out there thinking, yeah, could I DIY a pretty decent

paint job? What is that really going to entail? Is that doable for the average, you know,

handy car con dude? Yeah, man. Or girl, right? We're going to get into that next Kevin Tates.

It's paint occasion paint, paint occasion. Look it up and there's so many videos and stuff out

there. We'll dive into this next. Get you some help, tips, tricks, all of it on the Two Guys

Garage podcast. Kevin Bird, will it be? We're back after the break.

It is the Two Guys Garage podcast. He's Kevin Bird on will it be today? Man, today we get a

wealth of knowledge. Kevin Tates joins our podcast and dude, we were just talking out of necessity.

He could afford it. That's why I got into painting. That's how we got into, you know,

that's how we all got into most anything. We just couldn't afford it. So we decided to do it ourselves.

I would love to know, man, what age were you? What car was it and how that car turned out?

I was 15 years old and it was rattle can, red oxide primer and it looked terrible.

Horrible. So, you know, I knew people that could paint. My dad could paint,

but I knew there was a way to go about learning and it's, you know, that's the thing with everybody.

You've got to mess up a few times before you get or before you realize that there's a method that

you have to learn. So that's what I have with paint education is I've created this program to

where it's easy to understand lessons and everybody can understand it. Yes, there's a

sophisticated chemistry going on, but it doesn't mean we have to be chemists to use this stuff.

All we have to really wrap our head around is using the instruction sheets and using the system

of paint that's designed to be used together. Well, what's interesting about paint is,

as you're kind of alluding, there's a process. Some of it's completely dialed in from the

manufacturer and then, you know, you know the steps outside of that paint. So you go through

the steps, right? The proper prep and this and that, but then there's an artistry to it, right?

There's a certain amount of you just feel how much is going down. No, no, I'm going to argue with you,

Kevin, unless you're painting low riders, unless you're doing pinstripes, unless you're

vondatching out a motorcycle or doing flames. There's art to that, but the rest is just

procedure. That's where guys get bogged down. It's not an art. It's a discipline and it's

an acquired skill. So there's a dividing line between skill and art. Yeah, okay. All right,

but okay. So what about the practice part? Because you could tell someone all the steps

and they could do it, but let's say when they're going to lay down the paint,

there's the whole runs and the whole dry and right, like there's probably a learning curve

there, right? There is a learning curve and it's, it just involves repetition. I actually developed

a kit. It's called the Spray Coach and it's an attachment that goes on the nozzle of your spray

gun and it sets your distance from the panel and there's a bunch of practice exercises in it. It's

on my website. It's called the Spray Coach and it teaches you how a perfect paint job is supposed

to feel while not having to spray any paint. Paint's expensive. Let's learn the muscle memory first,

right? What a cool approach. Yeah, tell me more about the Spray Coach. This is definitely something

people should look into, especially if they're, you know, trying to paint that,

that car. What I was involved with it and what does it show? What does it tell?

It's an attachment. It's a $25 kit. It has an instructional video, a little instruction book

and it's a attachment device that literally screws to the nozzle of your spray gun and it stands the

distance off. It kind of looks like a coat hanger, but what it does is it sets the distance away

from the panel and then as you go through your exercises, like if you look at my hand,

you know, you're holding your hand, your spray gun parallel and perpendicular,

you're not sweeping like this. That's not how we paint. We paint like this. We track and we make

past linear. The Spray Coach teaches you how to do that and I'm not trying to sham while or anything

like that, but that's why I invented it is because it's that important to understand the mechanics

and the muscle memory. Once you have that wrapped up or memorized, you know, it's all about the feel,

right? You have to feel when it's and then you can look at it. It's muscle memory. It's called

unconscious competence. All right. Well, back to the really high level question, right? The

gotcha almost question from the intro there we're talking about. If somebody really wanted to get

into paint and they went through, let's say, the proper learning, right? So scoured paint education

could be one of their awesome options. And let's say, did some practice without having to put it

on a car and then sand it all off again and huge expense. Could somebody potentially out of the

gate lay down something decent? You know, if they really were meticulous and practiced a little bit

on the side and said, okay, I've done all my steps, I want to lay down, right? My cool project

car. Yeah. Yes, you can. And if you can spray paint on one panel, you can spray paint on a whole

car. Crawl, walk, run, right? Let's learn what the equipment does, what the settings do. Let's

learn how close to hold it to the surface. And then let's practice, right? Practice on a fender.

You can go to any body shop on the planet and they'll give you a takeoff vendor for nothing.

You can practice sanding, you can practice filler if you want to, or you could just just

practice painting and always PPE up. Let's protect ourselves, right? No joke, this stuff can be

dangerous if we don't. So PPE up, get a mask, you can get a mask at Harbor Freight. They don't cost

very much money, but protect yourself and then get some sheet paint. It doesn't have to be good

paint. When I do a live training class, we start off with Hobby Lobby black paint on cardboard boxes.

And it's a safe mistake if we make a mistake. That teaches us contrast, it teaches us travel

speed, it teaches us distance from the panel. And if we mess up, so what? But it teaches us gun

control. So between the spray coach and that type of crawl, walk, run mentality, then the next step,

sand your fender, get some real paint and practice on a panel. Once you master that panel,

then in theory, you can spray the rest of the car, right?

Yeah, I remember practicing on panels and doing the cardboard thing from some of your videos

actually on how to set up a gun. My problem is, I love practicing painting. What I didn't like

is the bodywork leading up to the paint. That's what I didn't like to practice.

Yeah, yeah. That's the practice that kind of makes that. But there is some to that,

especially when you're getting it done. It is a hard part of it. Obviously, cleanliness is key

to a great paint job and great result, which you teach well. I'm going to take back to my earlier

statements. The paint part was fun. The prep, the strip, everything, the blocking. I tell people that

spraying the paint is a reward that we get for doing all the work underneath it.

Oh, yeah, man. True that. True that. Well, it sounds like from, right, because you've been

teaching people forever. You've seen hundreds or thousands go from zero to superstar or something

in the middle. It sounds like you've got a pretty confident vibe that just about any of us,

Larry's out there, can go through the process and turn out something respectable.

There's a lot of noise in all the stuff. You know, social media is wonderful. YouTube is

wonderful. There's lots of incredible information, but there's a lot of noise out there too.

You've got to know how to trim down the noise and focus on what's important.

And that's the difference between going to type in on your search bar on YouTube,

how to paint a motorcycle, or you get a paid education course and I teach you the important

things in that whole linear progression. You just hit it right there. It's a linear progression.

When you just kind of Google stuff, you get random facts and they don't necessarily stitch

together in a storyline that you've got to follow from start to finish. And I'm not disparaging

anybody that's been doing it 40 years and they're talking about a weird gun set up and two turns

in and a half to turn out and turn your fan down and then, you know, do an arm fart and then

do it again. I make it simple. Turn the gun wide open, turn the fan all the way up, and now let's

learn technique. It makes this so much easier. Isn't that simple? You know, you guys talking

about gun set up. What if it was that simple? You turn two knobs wide open, wide open, get the right

air pressure, let's paint. Right. I'm digging it. It is amazing. You missed an air

pressure. It is wild. What difference in air pressure? Especially we've got a lot of flake

in the paint. The difference in air pressure. I found that mistake out, you know, the hard way.

You know, just a few pounds of pressure difference, you know, is amazing. Huge difference on how it

throws flake. Things like that you don't necessarily think about when your compressor is running,

you're letting it get charged up, you're spraying, and it's trying to catch up or something like that.

If you go and mix another thing of paint and you come back and it's not the same pressure,

dude, it's vastly different. It's wild, man. And it could burn you if you're not careful.

Yep. You bet. So we talk about laying offender, you know, doing any kind of paddle and then it's

copy paste. So any kind of tips on how you start getting into some more complicated shapes, like

into jams and stuff where you're, you know, you're doing stuff a lot less, you know, rhythmic back

and forth and back and forth. And that's when you start getting into runs and other kind of goofs.

And all right, how do we even get in there? Like, so how do you start transitioning from panels to

tougher stuff? Treat everything like a Kleenex box. Treat everything like it's a big square

geometrical shape. Spray it and then step back and look if you've got holidays or dry spray.

Dust a little spray in there while the coat is wet. Paint does amazing things. It'll cling almost

like powder coating. If you allow the process to happen, treat it like a big dang box, come in,

dust in, wet your edges, you're going to be fine. That's, that sounds like one of those

super handy wish you had a Rolodex full of little tips like that. Do you sprinkle those just through

each lesson or do you have like kind of one of those at the end like, Hey, you've been through

all this stuff. Let me just hammer you with a whole bunch of awesomeness. You know, we, we meter

these things in throughout the process. There's so, there's such a thing as cognitive overload.

That's a big word that I learned while I was becoming an actual instructor. I just got overloaded

right now with that word. Yeah, that's too many syllables, man. But we can, we, we can only process

so much and it's nothing to do with intelligence. It's, it's to do with absorption and the different

ways people learn. So what we do with pay education is we meter that stuff in as it's important.

Otherwise you could just overwhelm somebody and they just get discouraged and they want to quit.

A sponge can only hold so much water at one time. And then what happens? You run all of your shoes.

That's right. That's right. And I only have one pair of shoes, so I can't have those covered in paint.

All right, man. So look, we got to take a break right now. Can we talk a little bit about

the changes in paint and what paint has done over the years? Because I feel like, you know,

the waterborne paints and the, you know, some of the other paints, it's just weird what paint has

done. Why, why is paint costs so much now? Why? Well, let's just talk about, let's talk a little

bit about paint technology and what are you using now? Well, you know, and I got another one to throw

in there too. If we got time, why does the paint cost so much? And then why are we seeing cars with

all this flaking clear coat, right? From 2000s, maybe even the 90s when, right, we were supposed

to be making these huge advancements, but it seems like now we're biting, getting bit by it,

right? How would you seen online, social media, just put the stuff on a sponge and wipe it on,

and it's got a brand new clear coat. It's magic. It's like, it's unbelievable. The magic shim.

Wow. It's amazing. All right. Well, maybe we can pick your brain on, because a lot of people have

these cars with clear coat failing. Yeah. So what can we do about some of that too? Yeah,

let's talk about that. Do you want to talk about that when we come back? Absolutely.

It's the Two Guys Drive podcast. Kevin Bird, Willie B. We're back after the break.

It is the Two Guys Drive podcast. He's Kevin Bird. I'm Willie B. Taking notes, y'all.

We have Kevin Tate on paint education, and we're just talking about all kinds of things

involving your paint job, how to make it right, how to get it right. And he has so many just helpful

hints, tips, tricks, and man, he doesn't overload you with info. I highly recommend you check out

some of his stuff. He's been partnered up with Eastwood for ever and ever. Does some amazing

stuff. He's got his own channels now that you can go find all kinds of stuff, which we'll talk

about in just a second. Hey, Kevin, can we pick your brain on paint? What's happened with paint

over the last, let's say, two decades? Just give us an overview of macro level. What's going on with

it? Well, it's gotten so expensive, like everybody knows. And there's just big announcements with

the major manufacturers doing another 20% across the board. It's ridiculous. So a couple of things

have happened. Supply chain issues and now tariffs are affecting everything. But the biggest thing

that happened is that there was a resin manufacturing company in around 2000 that burnt. And that was

one of the major suppliers for all the global paint companies. And they still have yet to rebuild. So

that resource that everybody draws from for the basic technology went away. So things went through

the roof cost-wise. And then you factor in logistics and, like I said, the T-word nobody

wants to talk about, that it affects importers and things like that. And not everything's made in

states. We reach globally for these things. The cost of mining, the cost of pigments. Pigments come

from- I was going to say pigments have exploded too. They've exploded. And here's the other thing

that's happening. Paint is driven by collision repair. Collision repair is driven by efficiency.

It has to be efficient in order to be profitable. So instead of four coats or five coats of paint,

now we want to get full hiding and coverage in one coat. So that's a more focused concentration

of the pigments, which are already expensive to get out of the ground and even more expensive

since all these other things have happened in the industry. So you have the intentional focusing

and concentrating of the materials, as well as the extreme things that happen from the outside.

And it's just consistently driving the prices up. And it's really hard. It's really hard to manage

that, especially for us DIY guys. When, you know, you used to cost us 1100 bucks for

enough paint and clear to paint a car. And now it might be 1500 to 2000 dollars

for a premium brand. Yeah, or more or more. Yeah. I was like, that sounds cheap. Yeah. I had like

five grand of materials. You must be getting a good discount. Well, and then you've got companies

like Eastwood and there's there's a new company called Revolt Paint. There's some other paints

and they make good paint. I work with Exaltapaint in my training stuff and I help them in their

training department as well. And they have a secondary line called Nason. Nason is really

good paint. They've reformulated all of that stuff. So it's very affordable and it's high

technology. It's just not got the color selection that the premium brands do. So there's there's

solutions out there. You just got to hunt for them. So right if if the repair industry is driving

any sort of cost into the paint to make it faster, easier for them, are there alternatives that

might take more labor, coats, more time. But for the DIY guy, it's a much better

deal. Is there? Yes, there are. There's paint systems out there. You know, I can't rabble them off,

but you know, Eastwood has a good paint system and Summit Racing also has a paint system. And

I've used both of those products and had great luck with them. Here's the thing that the DIY guy

really needs. And I'm the DIY guy. That's how I got my start, right? You know, I'm these days,

I'm an instructor and all that all those things, right? But I started off painting cars in my

driveway just like Willie B. And and no, for real, that's where we start. All we're going to do is

make the paint happy. But you have to stay with the system. You don't want to play bench chemist

is the term I learned. You don't want to primer and that clear code and put this reducer in because

it's cheaper. And then let's get that color and put it underneath it. Stay in one lane, stay in one

lane with a single company that has recommended products to be used together because that science,

that chemistry is designed to be used together. And it might seem like you're paying just a little

bit more for a system instead of reaching and grabbing for discounts. But what you're getting

is compatibility within all the different products. Yeah, everything is latching to each other and

repelling and causing it's really important. Yeah. What other kind of ways besides just manual

labor, can people try to take the hit down a little bit on the cost of just paint materials?

Well, you know, I mean, if you go down the road of YouTube at all, you see guys painting with

these turbo cans and Rustole and I've done some videos like that on my channel and it's kind of

fun. And there's guys doing full paint jobs with rattle cans. Do I recommend that? No,

I don't want to work that hard. And by the time you add up 35 rattle cans at 10 bucks a piece,

you're down, you're booking 500 bucks and then you got a big barrel of cans, you don't know what

to do with it because you can't throw them away. So, you know, that's not the best way to get a

consistent page. So it's kind of state that this fun to experiment with and for small parts, air

cleaners, brick calipers, things like that, sure, control arms, yeah, let's, we can paint with rattle

cans and there's catalyzed rattle cans down to where you bust a membrane and it adds a catalyst

and that's big boy paint in a rattle can. It's really good chemistry. So, you know, it's meant

for smaller projects though. The best thing I can say is to crawl, walk around and invest in the

equipment necessary. Find out what kind of an air supply that you need because the best way of

spraying paint these days is still with compressed air. Look into filtration, look into an airline

system if you got a garage and then, you know, we have to allow the paint to do what it needs to

do. My favorite thing in this whole thing is we all we have to do is make the paint happy.

What that you said that a few times, man, it makes me say that about my wife, right?

And no, it's going to cooperate. The paint requires certain things. It requires enough time

to out gas because it has to turn from liquid to solid and it has to have air moving over top of

it. That's really all that it is. So the time that it takes. That's much easier than my wife.

To evacuate depends on temperature. So the second best tool, you guys out there, I'm going to say

this twice. The second best tool that you can invest in when you're doing a DIY paint job

is one of those point and shoot thermometers you can get for 15 bucks on Amazon. The second most

important tool that you need is a point and shoot thermometer. Why is that? Because we have to pay

attention to temperature on the panel, then we can know what our paint is going to do. If it's

105 degrees and I'm using 65 or 70 degree ratings on my catalyst and reducer, it ain't going to work.

We have to stay in that lane, but we have to know what the temperatures are.

Yeah, this is kind of what we talked about earlier is it's just very regimented. It's chemistry,

right? And chemistry goes along with temperatures, right? Goes along with each of the steps. It's

touching each other. So they all have to be copacetic. And it has to fall into that procedure.

There's no such thing as painting style. There's paintings procedure. It's it. Follow the process.

Trust the process. That's the big meme these days. Trust the process. But you've got to learn the

process in order to trust it. Yeah. And again, some of it's going to come from just the full start to

finish. But a lot of it's going to come right there in the middle with the manufacturer. They're

going to lay out exactly those steps. You don't have to like guess it's all right there. Instructions

you just have to follow. But remember this also guys, the paint manufacturer is not going to give

you instructions on how to lay down body fillers not going to give you instructions on how to do

metalworking. Those are three sections you've got your first section is your metalwork, your middle

section is your filler primer blocking getting your substrate straight and then is your refinish.

Those are three distinctly different procedures and you you have to treat them as three separate

procedures. Once you get your metalwork done, get it straight enough, then we can rely on our body

fillers and our primers and blocking techniques. Once we get that paint ready, now let's focus on

paint. And when you break it up like that again, how do you eat an elephant one bite at a time?

By that time, baby. Yeah. So you break it down into into digestible bites.

Well, hey, man, to circle back around, right, going into the break, I was asking about, right,

because we're trying to save a few bucks, we're trying to learn a little bit. So what about all

these 2000 era, maybe even the 90s, we're seeing all this flaking clear code, right? And you see a

lot of jive on internet about magic solutions. But there's a lot of people out there that would

probably, man, really dig trying to get some experience and save a few bucks to get that car

looking better again. So they do. I'll tell you the truth. There is no magic fix. But the white

no gain for clear coat. The white on clear coats will help. And they'll kind of seal in a little

bit. They'll make it look better. But it's not a new paint shop. What happens when paint deteriorates

like that? When it flakes off, when it has the clear coat mange, the UV damage is happening on the

color layer through the clear. It's because the clear deteriorates and then UV hits the color

underneath. And it's a two stage two step process. You got your color coat, and then you got your

clear coat over top. And when the UV degrades, then it degrades the color and there's no saving it.

So there's it's always going to be more damage on the top surfaces. But you know, it's going to

flake off and typically your sides are still shiny, right? You've seen those cars. What you're

going to do is a zone repair spot repair, you're going to feather it out, sand it back until it

doesn't flake anymore. And then you can do more color and then clear coat the rest of the panel.

But there's, you know, there's no free lunch. There's no easy fix that's going to really look good.

If you catch one early enough, and you just attack it, could you still save the base color

and just try to clear on it? No, because the base color has to has to be fresh in order for the

clear to sit on it because it skins over and then you don't have adhesion. That's going to happen

all over again. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So you're taking it down. You're going through the full steps almost.

Yeah, you're going to have to do it. But the wipe on clears and the matte clears and stuff.

Yeah, it'll look kind of cool for a while. Okay. So it might be a little intermediate,

but buyer beware. Right. Yeah. It's like, you know, a bandaid on it for a minute and

make it look good for a, you know, a month or two, and then you'll do it again. But if somebody

wants wants to keep their patina or do something like that, yeah, man, the satin, the satin wipe

on clears, those things are really cool. They work good. Right on. Well, hey, man, we got a roll

here in a few, but you know, we had John before you talked about your 74 Camaro and hadn't really

heard much about it. You got a quick teaser and where people can go to find a little bit more about

this, uh, second gen project and where people can go to kind of pick your brain and get all this

knowledge from. So, and I'm laying all this knowledge out in my YouTube channel. My channel

is called Paintercation by Kevin Tates. Pretty easy to find. And this Camaro has been a really fun

project. We've totally reskinned it with all AMD sheet metal to the dream car that I couldn't

afford to buy when I was a kid, a 70 rally sport Camaro, the split bumper, right? And we're, we're

down to the point where I'm putting fluids in right now. You got a little tickle in my

throats because I was off the engine, but, um, it were, I bled the brakes were at those stages

now. So it's a car. We've, we fired it up. I used a Phi tech EFI system. It runs great. And I'm so

excited about it. But throughout the whole thing, we're doing paint education. We're

painting you and we're doing technique videos. The one that comes out this Saturday is a spray

painting technique, how to spray glass with two stage paint. That's on paint education by Kevin Tates.

And, uh, yeah, one thing I wanted to mention also is we're getting some good traction with our

college training courses as well for our trade school courses. And we've recently become ASC

accredited. So we're an accredited training provider. I'm very, very proud of that.

Hey, congrats. It's awesome. It was a lot of work. And, but it's important. It's important to,

to show these schools and these programs that we're serious about it and that we know what

we're doing. We know what we're teaching and all of that information. I learned translates

right down the pike to all the paint education videos and the YouTube channel as well.

Again, where do people find those? People can find, uh, my website is paintucationu.com.

All of my training stuff is there. We've got a little bit of swag there. The, the, um,

YouTube channel is paint education by Kevin Tates. And again, I put links in the description and

all that type of stuff. My Facebook is Kevin Tates. I've got a paint education Facebook and

I've hands on cars Facebook and my Instagram is at paintates PAI and TETZ. And we're all,

we're all over them. I was going to say basically you can just turn on the old

internets and they'll be Kevin Tates. Absolutely. I'm everywhere.

That's cool, man. And wait, you didn't mention, but what kind of, uh, what kind of power plants

under the hood of that Camaro? Oh man. I'll ask baby, we had to go GM. So it's, it's a junkyard

53 but I'm putting a, it's an American powertrain clutch system with a Tremac TKX.

We're getting that eight and a half inch ring gear. It's plenty strong. The 10 bolt is plenty

strong. And, um, it's just going to be a nice driving car. And we're, I'm a little ripper,

man. It's not a junkyard build. It's not a budget build, but it's a driver build. And,

you know, so we're going to have air conditioning in it. I've got a vintage air setup in there

and I haven't chosen a color yet. So that's coming too. But, uh, we're excited about it.

Wow. That's always one of the toughest things on any project, man. It's just pulling the trigger

on the car. Yeah. Yeah, man. Hey, and speaking of colors, real quick, what do you think about

some of the crazy colors that manufacturers are coming out now? Specifically, I don't know why,

but Toyota seems to have some crazy wild new colors. Like I thought I'd seen all the greens.

I thought I'd seen all the blues or reds or oranges, but I feel like they keep

hitting us with new, just slightly variations of greens or grays or whatever. What do you think

about all of it? I think it's great, man, but buyer be aware as well. Those colors are expensive to

fix. Some of those are quad coats. Some of those are five-stage coats, you know, and the candies

back in the day, you'd have a gold or silver base and then a translucent mid or red, whatever. Those

are some true candies. Well, that's all over the place in OEs now. Those are expensive to fix,

too, and they're hard to patch. They're kind of challenging to spray, but those super vivid

colors, yeah, man, they're great. But, um, yeah, you just be careful if you get one of those things.

You're not going to find really good touch-up paint to match that because it's so involved. It's so

complex. Yeah, true that, man. Well, good luck finding that. You can find our show, Aaron Weekends,

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So, Kevin, man, you got this thing about fire, but you haven't laid the outer paint yet?

No. That's next. No, I made the commitment that I'm going to drive this thing in primer,

otherwise it's going to be another two years before I, before I die. So we're doing triple crown

again this year. And in some form or facet, I'm going to have it at the triple crown show. It might

be in primer. It might be in paint with no glass. I don't know. But we're doing, it's going to be a

car first. And I'm going to shake down all the systems before I have paint on it. Because that's

typically I do it backwards. And then I'm just, you know, trying to be careful and not scratch

anything and lean it over the frame. Yeah. Sure. All right. What color primer? Gray.

All right. So original, man. Yeah. Awesome. Well, man, good luck shaking it down. I know

you're going to have a blast with it, man. I almost picked up a 70 and a half is like a first car.

It's just too far gone. Somehow ended up with a third gen Camaro. Not quite as cool, but I'm

always in the heart for an old 70. Dude, third gen's are coming up. Everybody's tooling up for

third gen stuff. So yeah, the OBS trucks and third gen Camaros. That's, well,

Fox Mustang too, right? That's those are the next hot rod. Yeah. I was just saying on another

podcast, I thought, you know, after so many years having my third gen been there, done it.

I don't need to go backwards, but I just saw one the other day and I was like, oh man,

I could probably put one of those in the barn somewhere. I just ran into Brian Fuller at a

showdown in Atlanta and him and his son are doing a father son build on the third gen.

Oh, no kidding. I have to poke them on that one. Cool. Hey guys, thank you for having me on again.

I really appreciate it. I never got a chance to say that, but thanks man. Always dude. Oh,

it's a blast. It's always good to have guys. Hope you learned a little bit. You definitely

know where to learn a lot. My man right here, Kevin Tates, we will catch you on the next two

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Eastwood

patina

Chevrolet Camaro (Second Generation)

two-stage paint

GM 5.3L V8 engine

Tremec TKX

quad coat

Ford Mustang (Fox Body)

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