{"version":"1.1.0","producer":"fm.getcarcurious","layer":"official","episode":{"title":"Race Business: How Williams went from $200 million sale to being worth $2.5 billion","url":"http://getcarcurious.com/episodes/race-business-how-williams-went-from-200-million-sale-to-being-worth-2-5-billion","audioUrl":"https://sphinx.acast.com/p/open/s/6819ae2bf30c20bff775e8a1/e/6a511b4773fcc6a8a76a661e/media.mp3","description":"In the latest exclusive 'In Conversation With...' interview from The Race Business, The Race co-founder Darren Cox sits down with Matthew Savage, Chairman of Dorilton Capital, to uncover the business strategy behind transforming the legendary Williams F1 team. From the $200 million acquisition in 2020 to a staggering $2.5 billion valuation today, Savage explains how a long-term investment horizon, the impact of the cost cap, and the \"Netflix\" effect turned the team’s fortunes around.We dive deep into the reality of private equity in Formula 1. Why are institutional investors and high-net-worth families rushing into the sport? Is F1 the new NFL? Savage discusses the challenges of transforming a 50-year-old family business, the \"siloed\" nature of modern F1 teams - acting as media, hospitality, and engineering entities simultaneously - and why he continues to reject multiple buy-out offers every single week.Beyond the financials, we explore the team’s bold ambition to win two championships within the next six years, the importance of retaining the Williams heritage, and the role of team principal James Vowles in navigating the team’s technical and cultural evolution. Whether you’re an F1 superfan or a business strategist, this conversation reveals what it truly takes to build a contender in the most competitive sport on Earth. Hosted on Acast. 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