They’re talking about Monaco because the drama started there. Monaco is a specific F1 race, and decisions from that weekend are still affecting what happens next.
Before qualifying and the race, teams get practice time on track. “Free practice one” is the first practice session of the weekend, mainly for testing and learning how the car behaves.
In racing talk, “pecking order” just means who seems to be the quickest and most competitive. It’s basically the unofficial ranking of teams based on what they show on track.
In F1, a “penalty” is a punishment when a driver breaks a rule. It can add time to their race result, and teams can sometimes challenge it if they think it was applied incorrectly.
An “appeal” is when a team officially challenges an F1 decision they disagree with. They have a short deadline to collect information and decide whether to push the challenge further.
Ground effect is how an F1 car uses its shape under the floor to suck itself toward the track for grip. When it’s working, the car sticks; when it’s disrupted, handling can change quickly.
Simulators are advanced racing video/physics systems teams use to practice. They help drivers learn, but it’s still different from driving the real F1 car.
An “electrical fault” means something in the car’s electronics isn’t working correctly. In a race weekend, that can stop the car from running at all, which is why the driver loses laps.
F1 weekends have practice sessions where teams try different settings and learn how the car behaves. “Free practice two” is the second practice session, usually used to figure out pace and setup before the important sessions.
They’re talking about the Barcelona F1 race weekend. Hot weather can change how the tires work and how the car feels on track, so it can affect lap times and who looks fast.
In racing, “sandbagging” means holding back on purpose so other teams don’t know how fast you really are. The hosts are arguing whether Mercedes are doing that or if they’re just not at their absolute best yet.
“Super clipping” is used here as a coined/placeholder phrase for a behavior similar to sandbagging, but with a different intent—running in a way that doesn’t fully reveal true pace. The hosts treat it as a “new word” problem, implying it’s not a standard F1 term.
In F1, the “hybrid era” is the period where the cars use a mix of a traditional engine plus energy-recovery tech. The hosts are saying Mercedes have been especially strong since that rule change.
“Inters” are special tires for wet track conditions. They’re used when the road is wet but not pouring rain, so they can grip and push water out from under the tire.
A “drive through” is a race penalty where the driver has to go through the pit lane slowly, without stopping. It usually drops the driver back because it costs time.
Charles Leclerc is one of Ferrari’s Formula 1 drivers. Here, the hosts are talking about how his car felt in practice and whether brake problems changed his confidence.
“Gravel” is the loose stuff in the run-off area near the track. If a car goes into it, it usually loses grip and slows down a lot, which can be a sign the driver is having trouble.
“Snatching brakes” means the brakes feel jerky or grabby instead of smooth. That can make the car harder to control and can force the driver to adjust how they brake.
Lewis Hamilton is a top Formula 1 driver. In this part, they’re comparing his lap pace to Leclerc’s and talking about what Hamilton felt was wrong with his car on the straight.
FP1 is the first practice session of the weekend. It’s when teams and drivers test the car early, so if someone misses it, they may be less prepared for later sessions.
“Brake troubles” means the car isn’t braking the way it should. If the brakes feel bad or inconsistent, the driver has to adjust how and when they brake, and they may complain on the radio.
“Radio messages” are what the driver says to the team over the headset during the race weekend. They can include complaints about how the car feels and updates from the engineers.
In F1, wind can change how the car sits on the road and how much it slows down. The team is saying the wind might be making the car behave differently on the straight.
“Team radios” are the messages the driver and engineers send back and forth during a session. Here, they’re joking that the team’s explanations can sound odd because of how they’re worded.
It means the tires stop working as well after a short time. If the “soft” tires drop off in a lap, they lose grip so quickly that drivers can’t rely on them for long stints.
Medium tires are a compromise: they grip well enough, but they last longer than the soft ones. In a race where soft tires wear out quickly, mediums become the main option.
Hard tires last the longest, but they usually don’t grip as well. If they “don’t look great,” it means they might be too slow compared with the other options.
Those letters/numbers are Pirelli’s way of labeling different tire types for the weekend. Softer compounds usually grip more but wear faster, while harder ones last longer.
Pirelli makes the tires used in F1. They choose which tire types teams get for the weekend, and that choice affects grip and how fast the tires wear out.
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Hello, everybody, and welcome back to the People on Podcast with Matt and Tommy Friday,
Barcelona. Does it get more frantic? Well, to be fair, it actually has been a chaotic
day. That's for sure.
Yeah, for news, for arguments with the teams and all sorts of stuff, mainly because of
Monaco, let's be real. And a lot to talk about as well, free practice one, of course, having
seven rookies on track and just generally trying to figure out the pecking order for
this weekend's Grand Prix may be a little bit more difficult than it usually would be.
Now before we get into all of that, as I just mentioned, there's been some Monaco drama.
We've actually done a separate podcast and a video on P1 Extra to talk about the Gasly
Penalty, or penalties, that they were both overturned in a lovely special bonus episode.
However, it's not done. It's not over because as of recording when we did it, of course,
it was very much reacting to the news. How would the teams feel? Well, the teams feel
dreadful as we're about to tell you because the drama has continued. McLaren and Red Bull
have submitted a notification of their intention to appeal. They've not appealed, but they're
going to tell everyone that they are going to appeal. Yeah. So they get 96 hours, four
days to basically work out whether they're going to actually appeal. They get together
all of their information and evidence and so on and so forth. But this is kind of like
a heads up, by the way, guys, we're not happy and we're coming for you.
And I can see why because, of course, Red Bull, their protest is because Hajar's lost his podium.
Oscar Piastri, we obviously recorded our reaction to the news, but it's come out now
where McLaren obviously appealing as well. And of course, if Piastri gets his penalty
overturned, which was five seconds, he would be third place in third place.
But he can't get it overturned because he served it.
He served it. But they're obviously, they're unhappy with that kind of situation. And also
the fact that, yeah, how do you overturn a penalty because it's been served? Also,
the Oscars been shuffled back in the order. So that's an issue there. So I guess it has opened
a kind of worms to a point. But the argument here will be, well, they actually serve the penalty,
of course. And that's the kind of issue here. And then, of course, Russell as well,
which we did mention in the video being understandably a bit peeved because of the
situation there. Yeah. And there was mention of Toto Wolf, I think in the press conference for
team principals mentioning that he was chatting to their lawyers about the whole Russell drive
through situation. That screams to me like we want to look like we're doing something about it.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Rather. Because they can't really do anything. They can't really do anything.
But it's almost like a message to be like, yeah, we know.
So let's go into a little bit more detail about that because we have some breakdown of what
Red Bull have said and what McLaren have said. And it's slightly different between the two of
them. So Red Bull have said that the timing was consistent all weekend, that the normal
process was followed, that teams adjusted their systems according to the process in place.
And that teams know the method of calculating the pit lane speed
is imperfect. That's Red Bull's argument or at least headline highlight arguments.
As for McLaren, they said there is a well-known risk of discrepancies in the pit lane speed
calculations. Teams coach their drivers on how to manage this. All teams adjust their
processes accordingly. And there was conjecture on the issue of shortest distance. And this is a
team that literally got penalized for speeding in the pit lane. Yeah, which is crazy because
they did get caught. So it's more of the argument of fair enough, Oscar got a penalty.
So they're not arguing, take the five seconds off Oscar. They're saying, well, Oscar served
his penalty because it was possible to get them. Yeah, it was a penalty. They're almost weirdly
saying, yes, our driver did get a penalty and we served it. And then Red Bull, of course,
the argument from Red Bull is, well, we did it fine. And there's been no issue there. And
I guess the argument there is 17 or however many other drivers didn't get a penalty and that was
fine. It's a difficult one. And yeah, I guess the kind of worms has been opened in that sense.
But I would be amazed if anything else changes again. And of course, we know that it's not the
appeal yet. It's just the intention to appeal. So yeah, I understand why they're kind of bummed
by the situation. But I think this result will stay. But then I thought that last time and it
changed. Yeah, the kind of worms we discussed was more looking to the future of how it would
maybe change the precedent that's set from Monaco. Serving penalties. Whereas what has actually
happened is, you know, the teams have kicked off about this decision. So fascinated to see what
happens from here. Because maybe it's not over. But there's this whole talk of the trophy being
transferred over to Alpine. What happens then, if this gets overturned, then Alpine have to give
the trophy back to Hajar. And it could just be a constant game of tennis with this trophy until
you appeal the appeal. Every weekend when they turn up to the Grand Prix, they keep swapping
the trophy back. Be like us with our award where we were like, you have it for a bit,
then you can have it for a bit. That's what it was going to be like, isn't it?
So good. Now, that's obviously big news. But the biggest news of all is the change to the
Predictions Championship on P1. So of course, Tommy's dad had the most insane prediction
that Gasly would be third place in the Monaco Grand Prix predictions we put out on Wednesday.
And it came in. I, out of the goodness of my own heart, gave and allowed two points for that
prediction because it is generational, which means it is now 65 to the Bellingham's,
but no one cares about that. That's the Constructors Championship. The drivers has also changed. The
Matt versus Tommy has also changed because Oscar Piastri has now been put down to P5,
which means I get a bang on what P what? So that's good. So you initially got one point,
now it's two points, so the extra point. We'll take it. If I lose the Constructors,
everyone talks about the drivers, right? So that's what we've always said. So yeah,
2219 to you, Tommy. The comeback is on. And screw all of you that's had on social after I had the
absolute howling weekend. And Tommy was amazing. Was it Japan? And it was like, oh, it's all over,
it's done. The championship's finished. Well, the comeback is on. And I've never been more
competitive in my life. So let's get into free practice one, shall we? With the top three were
Russell Piastri Leclerc, but of course, a lot of drivers missing, full time drivers, that is,
and rookie drivers in their place. So we had Dino Baganovic in the Ferrari, Leonardo Fornaroli
at McLaren, Colton Herter went into the Cadillac, Frederick Vesti was in, I should
say, in Kimi Antonelli's car, I think it was Hamilton that sat out. It was Alando Norris that
sat out. It was Sergio Perez that sat out. Kimi Antonelli. And then you have Ayumu Iwasa, who took
the place of Haja. Luke Browning in the Williams, he took the place of Albon, I believe. And then
finally Paul Aaron, who took the place of Nika Holkenberg for Audi. So lots of changes. And I
love to see it. I actually really enjoy. And I don't know if it's because they kind of struggle
a bit and they don't just look on rails like most of the drivers do. But I love riding on
board with a rookie just figuring out a Formula One car, like it just, it just is really fun to
watch. Like Colton Herter in the, of course, dustbin that is the Cadillac currently, you know,
and especially around this track as well, that is appearing to be very, very difficult for the
drivers to be on the limit, which is exactly what we want to see. That nimbleness that we've
discussed since the start of the season. I feel like we're seeing this more than ever around here.
Yeah, definitely. On board the drivers, we used to kind of seeing this now where drivers make their
debut in an FP1 session. But perhaps, you know, in the eras of kind of infinite downforce and
the ground effect, we didn't see as many crazy moments. And now, yeah, they're really wrestling
the cars, thrown at the deep end, a new era. Obviously, a lot of them will have been on
simulators and things, but a lot of them, of course, wouldn't have driven this style of car
at all. So it's fascinating to watch. And yeah, the most part, and unsurprisingly, you know,
a long way off their full time teammates, apart from Paul Aaron, who did a fantastic job
in the Audi, has to be said. Yes, he was quite literally on the ragged edge. I remember seeing
the lap that he put in, or at least the off board, of him coming over the line, he finished P6 in
that session, which is phenomenal work, less than the second off Russell. But my God, he was driving
quite literally like his career depended on it. And it kind of does, right? These kind of moments
are something that are so few and far between. But Aaron did a brilliant job. Meanwhile,
Bortoletto was complaining of all kinds of problems in his Audi, of lack of grip and so on.
So brilliant performance. I love the way I've got surprise Bortoletto, and he's been outpaced by
someone in. I think the point, yeah, point to the guy for you, mate. I'm sorry. Even if he wins
the race now, doesn't count. It's over. Okay, cool. And also, I want to say a little heartfelt
shout out to Luke Browning, who had his opportunity, but didn't, because there was an
electrical fault with his car, which meant he did zero laps, which is just devastating for him.
It's like a Christmas day, and you wake up and there's no presence. That's quite literally just
that. Just building yourself up. You're ready for this moment to step up and try and show the
world what you're capable of, and then nothing. Yes, absolutely. Getting for him. Williams with
problems. Again, Carlos broke down right at the start of the session with a problem.
And it's Mercedes-powered car again, having all these issues.
But not Kimi Antonelli.
But not Kimi Antonelli, which is something that, yeah, a lot of people mention on social media
that pretty much every single car and driver combo in those Williams, sorry, in the Mercedes,
with the Mercedes power, have had quite a lot of issues this year. And Kimi so far has had zero,
but gutting for Luke Browning to basically have that moment where you get to go out,
you get to drive a Formula One car during a weekend. Yes, it's not a competitive session,
but you're there in front of all the Formula One bosses and everything and showing what you can
do. And you look at something like Paul Aaron's lap, and that is a chance to impress other teams,
and people will be taking note and going, oh, wow, that's really impressive. And
Paulic Browning didn't get to do any of that. I'm sure he'll have another opportunity, hopefully
later on in the season. Of course, I think it's four times that the drivers get or the rookies
get an opportunity across the year. So fingers crossed, Williams give him an opportunity later
down the line. And also, I'm pretty sure these drivers have to pay for this opportunity as well.
So I'm really hoping he gets a refund on his money because he literally didn't do any laps.
So that would be crazy if not. Let's go to free practice two then, where the three
fastest drivers were Norris, Russell and Piastri. And we have quite an interesting lineup right now,
McLaren starting to stretch their legs a little bit, showing signs of, by the way,
that Miami performance. Yeah, we'll do it again, but we'll wait a little bit and then we'll come
back in Barcelona. Am I surprised to see them towards the front? No, I wanted to put Lando
as my P3 prediction, but you stole him away from me, so went for Max and Red Bull don't look as good.
There's a question from Craig Tilly 95. Are Mercedes sandbagging or are we now expecting
things to be this close between Mercedes and McLaren? I think just sorry, so this is probably my
second most hated word now in Formula One. The first one also beginning with S, super clipping.
And then you have sandbagging. They are not sandbagging. We had Kimi Antonelli missing free
practice ones. Of course, he's kind of building up for free practice two. And then on the other side
of the garage, you have George Russell, who is quite literally 9,000s of a second off the fastest
time Lando Norris. And also, we have seen moments where McLaren are incredibly quick.
We need a new word for sandbagging, though, where it's like unintentional, where they're
kind of running their own program and they're not hiding what they've got, but it's like
we've not seen the best of them yet. Because sandbagging makes it sound like they're deliberately
kind of going out of surprise really quick. They're not hiding performance necessarily.
Yeah, I wonder what that word could be. Driving around and not pushing.
Not pushing. Yeah, let's just all say, are Mercedes not pushing? Or are we now expecting?
Yeah, I mean, look, it's a very hot weekend in Barcelona. And we know, I mean, I say we know,
for many years gone by, when Mercedes have dominated back in the last sort of 2014 onward
start of the hybrid era, the one thing I always remember is when it was really hot,
they weren't as good. So maybe they're back in the pack this weekend. What do you say?
Maybe it's the heat. Yeah, maybe. But McLaren, I'm not surprised either that they're as good as
they are. I think at the end of the day, Monaco is a complete outlier, so different to anything
else there. We knew Ferrari would probably be the ones more likely to challenge. Mercedes,
the McLaren, which of course, was the case. And as for McLaren, they were improving
a lot throughout the season. And let's not forget that before they stuck on the inters
at Canada, they were looking very good as well. And we were going, look, McLaren are now the
closest team to Mercedes. So McLaren have been catching up all the time. Maybe this is a case
where they've found something a little more. But yeah, this is the case where we've seen
McLaren challenging for two victories this year in Miami and Japan. So they have an opportunity
to do it again. If they have a great start or can get near the front and stick with the Mercedes,
it's going to be incredibly tough. And I do think Mercedes still have the best package. And we've
not seen the best of them, particularly Antonelli, who has not had the greatest of sessions,
still trying to find his form a little bit after missing FP1. But I don't see it being a case,
famous last words, although I hope for the championship sake, it is that. And the Mercedes
are kind of on the back foot. I don't see that at all. No, me neither. But if they are, if McLaren are
in with a shout, then it's a great weekend ahead of us, because I think we both believe that Mercedes
were going to be pretty clear around here, because they always say a car can't hide around the
circuit of Barcelona, Catalonia, because that's the phrase I was looking for when I said car heavy.
Yeah, I saw some people being like, car dependent. That's the car heavy is just yeah,
that's that's like us using like podcasting.
OK, let's move on to another question. P1 Patriot member R&B sheep. Has Russell found his groove
again? I think similar to the McLaren situation here. Monaco was a crazy race where he completely
butchered qualifying. And then everything went wrong for him after that with his penalties and
drive through and everything. And even at the start, you know, being stepped by and had gel,
which meant he ended up a lap down. That wasn't due to pace at the end of the day.
And you go back to Canada, a more normal circuit, and Russell was challenging. He won the sprint,
he's challenging for the victory. Do you think Antonelli was fastest, like faster in that Canadian
Grand Prix, but Russell was able to, you know, challenge for that win and could easily have won
that race before his car broke down. So I do think like Russell being completely washed and
finished is completely over exaggerated this year. He, of course, isn't driving his best.
You cannot doubt that. Antonelli has been the better driver, definitely has. And it's not to
discredit him. But I do think that that Russell, you know, has been nowhere near as bad as like
people making out, and obviously the points deficit in the championship, there's a lot more
context to that than just Russell's ability and driving. Yeah, he's not been finishing on the road
and like it actually being 68 points behind Kimmy Antonelli. He's not finished the last two races.
Monaco, I mean, he's so unlucky for how it all unfolded and the fact that he scored no points,
you know, without that and the crazy pit lane speed limiter stuff, he's finishing third. Canada,
second at worst. And then all of a sudden the points gap is, I don't know, like 30 odd rather than
68. So I think to talk about his groove, it's hard to, I don't think that's the right thing to
analyse at this stage because he has shown a lot of pace this year. It's just not gone his way.
So I firmly believe he'll be in with a shout of the win this weekend, and it's not necessarily
finding his groove. I think it's just finding a bit of luck and just having a reliable car
and a smooth weekend. Yeah, exactly. So fingers crossed for him and for the championship,
he's able to do that. Next question, people on pitch. Remember, Alara,
does Charles look more on par with Lewis at this stage with his new brakes?
Okay, it's Friday, guys. It is Friday. Please, can we all relax? I love this question. This person
has to be a Charles Leclerc fan because they've asked with Hamilton down in ninth, 1.2 seconds
off Lando Norris and Charles Leclerc up in fourth, three tenths behind. It's a pretty gargantuan
gap. But that being said, I really, I'm not going to go anywhere near this question until
we've seen a qualifying session at the very least. Yeah, I think it's from a Charles Leclerc
perspective. It's good. And the fact that he didn't reach all the highlights of the
free practice sessions today of him going into the gravel, snatching brakes, and so on and so
forth. Does he look lightning quick? No. Doesn't look like Ferrari lightning quick. But that being
said, look, I would love to get hopeful that Charles can start to build some confidence again
in that car after the last two Grand Prix being disasters. But it's a little too early to say,
I think. Definitely. You can't compare Hamilton's lap at all. He obviously missed FP1 and equally,
you know, there's no way he's almost a second off Leclerc when they're actually, you know,
competitive running, absolutely no chance. So it's more the more kind of question here is,
has Leclerc's brake troubles kind of turned it round for him and feeling more confident?
And I guess the only thing you can take from it is, yeah, we're not having radio messages of him
saying, oh my God, the brakes are awful. This is the worst thing ever. Like we were
at Monaco, you know, he was absolutely fuming about that. And now he's changed it, which is a
huge thing to do. And yeah, he's not, he's not had that, that kind of issue where we're hearing
loads of radio messages. Speaking of radio messages, though, something I would love to bring up that
was Lewis Hamilton, who felt like the rear part of his car was dragging along the straight.
And Ferrari decided to give us almost another it must be the water moment and said it must be the
wind. And it was like, I do know what they were trying to say about the wind compressing the car
and stuff. But like, I did find it quite funny that it wasn't exactly it must be, but it gave me
it must be the water vibes massively. So yeah, Hamilton had a few struggles of his own trying
to figure out what was going on with the car. But yeah, it's Ferrari just know how to just produce
banging team radios. I do feel a little sorry for them, but obviously, because of international
broadcasting, they have to speak in a language that they they're not chatting about over time.
Obviously, they're all very competent English, but it does mean that sometimes like,
things are worded in such a way in the mistranslation and and the kind of the way it's
being said makes them very memeable, doesn't it? Yeah, I don't even have a second language in
the locker. So I can't even comment. Exactly. It does make for some meme worthy moments,
that's for sure. Next question, Polsky Polak underscore two is a three stop on the cards.
The tire deck across the field looks quite bad. It was very bad. We heard Lewis Hamilton,
engineer on the radio speaking of Ferrari radio, saying that the deck is high for everyone three
tenths per lap. You know, we were seeing, we're seeing insane insane and the soft tire drop off
a lap. Yeah, and the soft tires were going in one lap. You know, so that we could see them
potentially even doing the mediums, they're not going to want to use the hards didn't look great.
But obviously, equally, if the softs only last like one lap, they can't they have to
have to do the mediums. They can't just do both mediums because they need to use two compounds.
So this is very fascinating. I think this is the most fascinating part of the race is that we are
going to have a lot of strategy is going to, you know, if it continues to be this hot, please,
and the tire deck is as insane as we've seen it, I can confirm it is going to continue to be hot.
So that that scenario is out the window. So we are getting hot weather. So if they don't sort
the tire deck out, and it is the same as what they think, you know, we could be seeing like a
F1 2012 Pirelli race at this rate. The one stops coming, bro. After you said that now,
the tires are just going to miraculously be the greatest thing at that. Yeah, yeah.
Antonelli will win, but doing like 57 laps on the mediums. Exactly. Yeah, it'd be fine.
Yeah, so it very much seems like the soft tires will not be a race tire at all. So yeah, it's the
mediums and the hards. Interestingly, Pirelli, to try and force this exact scenario, brought a
step softer this weekend. So it's in the mid range, the C2, C3, C4s. So I like that. I like the fact
they've done it, because Pirelli are very cautious when it comes to tire degradation. I think after
they've seen today's running, they'll be going, oh, God, we should have brought the harder compounds,
because yeah, they were shredding. But that's what that, from a viewer's perspective,
sign me up. If we can get a 23 stop, then yeah, we'll have a lot of moments in the race
that we can look forward to. So yeah, let's keep an eye on that one. But it does very much look
like it's going to be pretty warm the entire weekend. And that is it. That is our recap
of practice done and dusted. Of course, the chat as well about Pierre Gasly and the ongoing
conversation there. Tommy, final thoughts, please. Final thoughts. Absolutely cannot
wait for qualifying tomorrow. I think we've got a really fascinating race, which is not
what you normally say about Barcelona, Catalonia. And the circuit is a circuit that's obviously been
heavily criticised by us. And yeah, I'm really looking forward to it, because if it is the case
where the soft tyres can't even do a lap, we maybe see people gambling on mediums and things,
and who knows what's going to happen. So yeah, bring it on and join us for the watch
along tomorrow. Look forward to that. Indeed. Join us tomorrow. My final thought is pray for
my inner lip, because I accidentally bit it two days ago eating dinner, and it is getting slightly
larger by the day. So hopefully you haven't noticed a slight lisp that's going on. But
I've been trying to talk around it, Tommy. I wouldn't even notice. That's good,
because I noticed it in my own face. I'm glad it's not. I just thought you'd add some work done.
Some work. Charming. Some lip fillers. All right. See you soon. Lots of love. Bye.
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About this episode
The P1 crew kick off with the stewarding/appeals fallout, noting McLaren and Red Bull have signaled they’ll appeal and that teams have 96 hours to decide. They connect the drama to how penalties could reshuffle Oscar Piastri’s classification. Then they pivot to Barcelona-Catalunya practice: FP1 featured rookies/stand-ins, ground-effect cars look harder to drive “on the limit,” and reliability/electrical issues limited some running. With soft tires dropping off fast, they expect strategy gambles heading into qualifying.
As the dramatic fallout from Monaco continues, we turn our attentions to the Barcelona-Catalunya GP - where loads of rookie reserve drivers took part in the opening few sessions!
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