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Hello, everybody, and welcome back to the P1 Podcast with Matt and Tommy.

We are live here once again in Denver as we have a show for the P1 Live Delusion Tour on Monday.

We are currently settled in a lovely little Airbnb.

We've got a little cinema.

Remember me to enjoy a Formula One this weekend, Tommy?

And we enjoyed the sprint to some degree.

I think it was a chaotic one.

It had a few big moments, one for the championship.

So quite a bit to talk about and also Tommy slash Matt rant.

Yes, there was, I think, a little bit frustrating because you always expect Brazil to be an absolute banger

and they're overtaking each other every single lap because the expectation is so high.

There were some frustrations, but there was also a hell of a amount of controversy as well that we're going to dive into.

We certainly will.

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Right, let's get into the sprint action and begin with the biggest moment of all.

Liam Lawson, I'm kidding.

Of course, it has to be Oscar Piastri crashing out of the sprint.

A huge moment.

We talk about sprints.

We talk about how they feel quite inconsequential.

There's a point here.

It's a point there, but it can be massive.

We've seen it in Austin, in Max's sort of championship challenge charge, whatever you want to call it,

where both of the McLarens were out and he won.

That was an eight point swing.

Oscar today crashes out of a slippery, wet Brazilian sprint and it's an eight point swing in Lando's favour.

It's a massive mistake for Oscar.

It's a small mistake in the grand scheme of things, but it has such huge consequences for his title hopes.

It really does and it feels like more psychological thing more than anything.

Obviously, the points is a disaster, the fact that it is an eight point swing.

Like you say, the points aren't as extreme, but we were talking about the fact that Piastri,

he's had such poor form and looked like he's had no pace.

This weekend, he's actually looked an awful lot better.

I think even if he had just finished third, he'd lost a couple of points and it wouldn't have been that bad

because you'd have basically gone into lost a couple of points, but he's got that momentum

and you feel like, okay, he's back in the game, you go into qualifying,

he looks like he can challenge Lando now, but you just worry that this could take another knock of his confidence,

especially after what happened in Baki.

For sure, it was definitely a better Oscar Piastri that we saw,

not just in qualifying that we reflected on yesterday or sprint quali, but also in the sprint.

He was around, as you say, finishing third would be fine.

Two points swing, three points behind going into the main race,

but instead, yeah, it is another confidence knock for him.

I guess in some ways we will, well, by the looks of things,

it's more than likely that we're going to get a dry rest of the weekend.

So the conditions in which he crashed out of we're probably not going to see again

unless we get a random rainstorm and things like that, which could spice up the action.

So yeah, bad times for Oscar.

Question, Mike2346, do you think Oscar can recover this championship?

He's been so off since Baku.

It's a good question.

And I think a lot of Oscar fans out there will be sort of mystified

as to how this has gone so badly so quickly from being so consistent,

scoring podiums for fun.

And now once again, we're talking about another moment for Oscar where it was a mistake.

Yes, we also had Colopinto and Holkenberg crashing on literally the same part of the track.

But there are other 17, 16 however many that were in the race at that time

that didn't crash at that moment.

So can he recover the championship?

It's seeming more and more unlikely as we as we see more competitive sessions.

Yes, he was better in sprint quality, but he was still just under two tenths behind Lando,

which is a big margin around a one minute nine lap.

So for me, it I really feel as though it is against Oscar now even more so than I was saying this before the sprint

race crash.

And now this further sort of just backs up my feelings here.

I'm maybe a bit more optimistic about Oscar, which is rare to be the optimistic one.

But I do I do think it's the points gap when you look at the points gap.

I think his only saving grace here is the fact that it's a nine point swing.

McLaren are looking incredibly dominant and it's all going to be in a few hours time

how he picks it up in qualifying, because if he manages to get pole position or beat Lando in that race,

a seven point swing, it's all level again.

It really all does just come down to how he's going to pick himself up after this crash.

Because he's got the it's not like a match to step in situation where it's quite clear now.

Like he doesn't have the car and it's a massive points difference.

I think that's the key thing here with Oscar.

If he can just pick himself up, the problem is he's made a massive error again when he's actually been on the pace.

We say that if he can pick himself up, but we've been saying this for now for race weekends

and that the points are disappearing for him in this championship challenge.

So I guess what is it because the fact that the points for me is the fact that literally

McLaren are so dominant that literally just a 1-2 in Oscar's favour and they're basically level again.

Would you say they're dominant around Brazil though?

I mean, you had Kimmy Antonelli fighting Lando for the win this time round.

So we're talking about quality going into the rest of the weekend.

I don't think it's a given that the McLaren are that clear that Oscar can just slide into a P2.

Well, I mean the fact that I think the conditions played a part

and the tyres will see obviously going into in the rest of it.

Lando does look mighty.

I'm not saying that, you know, Oscar is going to beat Lando.

I still think the sure bet is Lando to win the championship.

He's looking very comfortable, you know, I do.

I'm not here saying that I think PS3 is going to win the championship.

I do very much firmly believe it's going to be Lando Norris and this race only cements it.

But I wouldn't I wouldn't write him off.

Max on the other hand, he's gone.

Oh, here we go.

I love it.

You're optimistic about anyone but Max Verstappen, which is absolutely crazy.

Next question from P1 Patriot member Anastasia W.

Do you think the water splash played a role in the crash?

Or was it simply a matter of where the drivers went on the kerb?

It may have done.

I think the way they I wouldn't say baited us with the radio,

but I think Formula One know what they're doing now with how they can play team radio to give context.

Because I think it was just generally a passing comment from Antonelli of,

oh, Lando's kicked up a load of water here.

And because three drivers have just gone in the wall, it's obviously like they play that and go,

all that could be a really interesting thing to kind of play.

And then obviously with that, it makes it almost you almost look at it

and it feels like it's a Mario car.

He's dropped a banana peel and a thousand IQ move and he's just taken Piastri out the race.

It's not Lando's fault in any stretch.

He's just driving his race.

He's allowed to do that.

He didn't lose the car.

And every onboard I've seen of the drivers that have kept on the road other than Lando,

they've avoided that kerb.

But the people that have gone wide, you know, have lost it in a big way.

So it's really hard to tell how much.

And obviously we've not heard the interviews as of yet.

I think it was a massive coincidence to be honest with you.

I think we were baited by the radio because of course we see that we see three cars go off

and all of us watching are trying to figure out, well, why has that happened?

And of course the Kimmy Antonelli radio has played about the fact that Lando has

kicked up a massive amount of water and you look at the replay.

If anything, I would say it's more, you know, that would maybe have been the cause had the

drivers been off the curb because the water looked like it splashed up and then kind of

went on to the racing line if anything.

So I think it's very much a coincidence.

You know, the drivers are picking up speed.

They're gaining tire temperature as the laps go on and the confidence starts to kick in.

And of course I think as well, like it's a driver's natural instinct to start pushing

the limits, start sort of going on to the curb and things like that.

Although it is the absolute rule number one that you don't go on the kerbs and the

white lines when it's been raining, especially on dry tires.

But, you know, they're pushing into the CNRS's and I think it's just purely that.

You know, we actually saw it at a camera angle as well of the water pools that were

in within the sort of serrated kerbs.

But the thing was Lando went deeper into the kerbs, which actually seemed to work in

his favor, whereas just kissing it was the cause of three drivers out of the race

in a matter of about 30 seconds.

Yeah, it was a mad moment to see three drivers go off at the same time.

It's very rare.

I think my initial reaction was like, has it just started raining or something at that

turn?

Because we've seen that in the past that's caught people out.

But yeah, just an insane moment.

And unfortunately for, you know, Oscar is that, you know, the other two went in

the wall, Colopinto will find out later, you know, whether he's going to be

all right for qualifying because he had absolutely enormous damage on his car.

Very unlikely.

I think from just what we saw, there was definitely one side of the car that was

completely ripped off.

Next question for people on page.

Remember, Glush, what did you think about the rolling start instead of a

standing one?

Surely it could have been a standing one.

All right, here we go.

Here comes the rent.

I was in up in up in arms during our watch along.

So was Tommy, although Tommy was less surprised by the fact that we had

another rolling start.

It was a decision, right?

It was a decision by the FIA, by the race director of whether to go for a

standing start or a rolling one.

I've seen theories floated around.

Some make sense, but I also want to still question it and the biggest

one is the fact that, of course, we had a standing start to begin with.

But the difference being that we've had a few laps and there's a racing

line that's formed on one side of the grid and the other side of the

grid is wetter.

And perhaps that was a consideration by the race director to not have a

standing start due to that fact.

What I would say to that is boohoo.

That is racing.

That's luck of the draw.

That's the lottery.

It's like, you know, it's a safety car fair.

Other things fair.

Please don't let us talk about fairness again.

You know what I'm saying?

There's so many races around the world where like we talk about like

how dirty it is offline.

Do you then just do a rolling start every race?

Exactly.

So for me, I was really annoyed to see that and I can understand

why so many people jumped on the fact that they were trying to help

Lando.

I would counteract that and say that had it been a grid standing

start, it would have been even more of a benefit to Lando who

was on the racing line and it would have been drier and he

would have had a much better start.

Kimmy Antonelli on the other hand would have probably dropped

to behind George Russell.

So I think that argument is probably a little bit of a null

and void one to be honest with you, but it was still a shame

because the standing start is the absolute best thing that a

Formula One fan enjoys to see and we can understand, right?

When we have changeable conditions, when it's monsoon

conditions are really difficult to see why they would have

a standing start.

But for this kind of occasion, I just think it was

ridiculous.

Yeah, the standing start obviously helped the kind of pack

stay in order and you do wonder, yeah, that Lando, obviously

it was, you're always difficult with the slipstream going

down the straight so we left it very last minute.

So in a way, yeah, with this dry line theory or ever,

it was probably worse for Lando to have a standing start,

but the problem is with the standing start is you want to

see a standing start and I'm pretty sure that they put this

in place that they will almost always go for a standing start

when there's a red flag.

That's what they're meant to do.

I think the most frustrating thing here is we don't want

to turn Formula One into this like it's always about

entertainment and everything needs to be crazy because

then you get down to like a little bit of a dangerous

line, but it is so frustrating when they're doing

all these things like sprint races and gimmicks to try

and make the sport more entertaining and then yet

they're making decisions like this, which makes no sense

because the fans want to see a standing start.

It's the most exciting part of a Formula One, a Formula

One in general and is always going to deliver the most

action and you're always going to, you know, people are

always going to benefit or it's just luck of the draw

like that.

That is just how it works.

So it was incredibly, incredibly frustrating to watch

because we wanted to see it.

Now, another theory was the fact that F1 may have had a little

bit of a phone call to say, or perhaps a brief prior to

the race happening of like, we can't let this sprint

race go on too long because qualifying is coming up

later and of course F1 and the scheduling and the

broadcasters, you know, that is absolutely the prime

thing in their mind of making sure it goes ahead at

the right time because there's a lot of money at

stake, et cetera, et cetera, which again, as fans, we

don't really care about.

We just want to see the racing and we want to see the

racing in the best way that it should unfold.

And this is the problem with sprint weekends.

If that is a sort of consideration from F1 and

the race director, that, you know, that's a negative

thing for a sprint weekend if you do have things

like this happening.

So for me, I'm not a fan of that either.

No, the argument to that is that they in much worse

conditions, they all behave themselves at the start.

So I know like they could have been a pile up, but

they could have been a pile up from the safety car

restart because even that is, you know, the, the

field all gets really bunched up.

The cars are really close.

We saw a long zone for Stappen going side by

side through corners.

That could have been, you know, a moment.

So yeah, it's just so frustrating to watch, isn't

it?

Yes, it is.

And of course, you know, I'm sure we will

get clarification.

Oh, wait, no, we won't.

No, we won't.

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Oli Bearman and Liam Lawson Incident.

Racing incident or not?

Hmm.

I mean, I watched that

and I remember thinking,

because it cut away, didn't it?

We saw Liam Lawson dive down the inside

and then you saw a yellow and you went,

oh no, what's happened here?

But looking at it back,

I think it's a racing incident all day long.

Liam Lawson is completely entitled to go for that move.

He was always going to go for that move

because Oli Bearman lost huge momentum

in battling one of the Sauber's

and Liam Lawson,

being Liam Lawson is always going to go for that move.

It's a great opportunity.

That one's the biggest opportunity to overtake

and he's basically seeing his rival in front

lose a huge amount of momentum.

So he's gone for the inside line.

The move was absolutely on

and then they've just come together.

You know, I don't blame Lawson one bit,

like genuinely like 0%.

Maybe Bearman, the tiniest, tiniest bit of like

should he back out

when he's on penalty points and just let the moment go?

They're racing drivers, of course.

You know, this is a conversation we've had before,

but it's not like I blame massively

and I think a racing incident should be the right thing.

I don't actually know if they even,

if we even ever got the result from that yet.

No, I don't think we did.

It was just the little, the exclamation marks,

the whole race because apparently

it can't be decided during the race.

It, for me as well, was a racing incident.

I think that they were both entitled to what they did.

Lawson went down the inside.

Oli Bearman gave Lawson space,

didn't give him like an insane amount of room,

didn't run off the road or anything like that.

Lawson was in control of his car as well,

importantly here.

So that is the absolute label of a racing incident,

in my opinion.

So just hard racing and unfortunate for Oli,

of course, to lose so much momentum fighting another car.

But that is racing and yeah,

unless they did get a penalty,

which I don't think they did.

Hopefully for Oli's sake he doesn't

because he's a course on a lot of penalty.

He wouldn't ever be Oli in that situation.

It would be Lawson or racing incident,

in my opinion.

It's not like Oli closed the door.

He was just trying to hang around the outside

of a defensive move.

So that racing incident for me for sure.

P1Petra member Sophie comes in with the question,

do you think Gabby will be able to start his home race?

That was a big crash and he'll have to have a repaired car

plus be medically cleared.

I thought this was going to be a question about qualifying.

I think qualifying's a write-off.

I think he will absolutely have to start

from probably the pit lane.

If I'm being completely honest,

that is going to be a massive job for Gabby's team

to repair for tomorrow,

let alone today I would say.

I hope for his sake, of course,

that he gets medically cleared.

He's looked reasonably strong this weekend.

He's been in the mix of the midfield.

It was such a massive crash, first and foremost,

so happy to see him walk away

from an utterly terrifying crash.

Crashing into the inside wall of turn one,

then spearing across missing Alex Albon,

which again is a massive sort of lucky moment for him

and so glad that he didn't go

careering into the side of another car.

This is Gabby.

And then, of course, ending up getting airborne

into the next wall on the right-hand side.

A huge crash from Gabby.

So yeah, very, very happy to see him walk away.

We obviously saw the team radio say,

I'm okay, but yeah,

there's going to have to be more medical clearance

to happen because if there's like sensors in the car,

if there's more than a certain amount of G-Force,

then he has to be checked out.

So yeah, as crashes go,

so glad to see him walk away.

It's testament to F1 safety in 2025.

It's an absolute miracle, to be honest with you,

that they walk away not injured at all,

or at least as far as we're aware at this moment.

It's insane.

It's a terrifying crash.

Can't remember a crash that big in a long time

I think it's the scary thing is the speed.

You kind of almost,

when you're watching Formula One cars go around so quickly,

you don't notice that speed difference, do you?

And then when you see one of them go off or career off,

it's such a shock.

And the fact that he got airborne as well

made it even more scary.

So glad he's all right.

It's such a shame that we're potentially going to go

into qualifying without the two South American drivers

that have obviously got amazing support at this race,

being Gabby's home race as well,

and obviously Colopinto, you know.

So yeah, it's a big shame for Gabby.

He went for the move, you know,

it was a very optimistic move

when there were no points on the line, of course.

Interested to hear about it, you know,

because it looked like his DRS was still open

as he went into that, which caused the incident.

But I think the most important thing is that he's okay after

that because that is a really, really scary crash.

For sure, yeah, talking about the incident

without the move, sorry, the attempted move,

his DRS was 100% still open.

And in terms of the actual move itself,

it was questionable to be going for such a,

it was a late move, right?

It was a dive bomb, it was an absolute dive bomb

into turn one at the end of a sprint race

where the inside line is slightly damp as well.

It's a rookie move.

And you have qualifying in like three hours.

Yeah, it's a rookie move, it's a rookie error

just completely, right?

So that's a shame for Gabby for sure.

And I'm sure he'll in hindsight

wish he hadn't gone for that kind of move.

But I guess on the flip side,

he's probably feeling quite confident in the car

and was running just outside the top 10,

I think at that point.

So a massive shame for Gabby.

And I really do hope he's able to start tomorrow.

Fingers crossed he will be able to.

And finally, Joe formula six P would Kimmy

have passed Lando if there were more laps?

Yes, but maybe about 50 more laps

when those tires were gone.

Given three, four, five more laps.

I don't think it's happening.

It was so hard to overtake Kimmy got very close.

The DRS wasn't, it wasn't like, you know,

slam dunk DRS like we've seen in,

in certain races gone by

where you just breeze past them on the straight.

It was more just keeping him close

if anything through, through the lap.

And we saw with with Charlotte Clair and Alonso

even when he had that big advantage

how difficult it was to pass.

And obviously LeClaire got past Alonso eventually,

but it was always going to be difficult

for Antonelli to make, make that move.

So to answer the question,

obviously Lando's tires would have gone off eventually

because he was on the soft.

So in theory, you'd think would go off more.

And he said he was struggling with the res.

But I don't think adding an extra couple of laps,

he would have got him unfortunately for him.

It was just too hard to pass.

Yeah, the pace difference wasn't big enough

and also the track conditions weren't in Kimmy's favor

to actually make a move.

We saw that with Gabby, of course,

partly as well with the DRS open,

but it's just so difficult to overtake

when you have a dry line

and anywhere else is slightly slippery

and you can't break as late, of course.

So for me, I think Kimmy would not have got through

on Lando and it was a great effort

from Antonelli.

You know, we're talking about him potentially winning the sprint,

but he did a brilliant job.

So quick, as quick as George Russell

managed to hold his teammate back as well during that sprint.

There was a couple of attempts that Russell had on Antonelli,

but Kimmy held strong

and it's a really good result for Antonelli.

So yeah, there you go.

I mean, Verstappen, we haven't spoken about him, finished fourth.

Of course, he'll be 39 points behind Lando Norris now,

going into qualifying and the main race.

Still four races and one sprint to go.

Still over 100 points remaining, 108, I think,

if my math serves me correct.

So Tommy, you know, is fully depressed at this point.

Max, I haven't really spoken about him at all,

but the fact that he was so on the back foot

after the safety car restart, by the way,

you're almost happy that he's finished fourth.

Yeah, he was just nowhere, had no pace,

didn't look like he could challenge the Mercs,

never mind the McLaren.

Yeah, it's not looking good for Max at all.

I know you say there's 100 odd points left.

Obviously, that means he has to,

he kind of, he's kind of gonna need a big moment.

Again, we've seen it with Piastri.

Will we see it with Lando?

I don't know.

He's obviously performing really well at the moment

and it's looking like the pressure isn't getting to Lando.

We'll find out that's the case as we go into qualifying

because what's fascinating is to have all these stories

of like, is the title ever, is this gonna happen?

But we could go into qualifying now

and if, you know, between these title protagonists

that could completely flip on its head

and that's exactly what we saw last year,

so we're about to find out.

Exactly, it's funny because obviously I'm the optimist

on this podcast and I'm thinking like, okay, right.

So for example, at some point, you know,

Lando has a problem between now and the end of the season

and a big point swing happens.

Let's pretend Oscar Piastri is now the championship leader again.

Max is 30 points behind Oscar, so gains?

I know Lando's the favorite.

Just let me cook, all right?

No, I do think there is, I'd be a hypocrite

if I said that like, it's science field delivered

for Lando Norris because it's definitely not,

you know, it's a small points gap.

Anything can happen.

And exactly, that is exactly why I said that

because we said then it's not over

and there's even less of a points gap.

So you never know what's gonna happen in qualifying.

You never know.

So there you go, trying to bring some sunshine

and rainbows to Tommy's life, but there you go.

Right, we will be back literally later on today

for the qualifying podcast as well.

Whenever this goes live, of course,

we'll be for our watch alongs for Qualee as well.

So thank you everybody for your love and support as always

and we'll see you a little later on.

Lots of love, bye.

Bye.

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