Restomods Under $500K, Amazon Sells Fords, FBI CLK-GTR Drama & The Underpriced Porsche Episode
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Car
Porsche 944
Car
Porsche 911 Turbo S
The Porsche 944 Turbo S is a faster version of the Porsche 944 sports car. It has a turbocharged engine, which gives it more power and speed compared to the regular 944.
Term
manual transmission
A manual transmission is a type of car gear system where you have to change gears yourself using a stick and a pedal. It's different from an automatic transmission, where the car does it for you.
Term
snow tires
Snow tires are special types of tires made for driving in snow and ice. They help your car grip the road better when it's cold and slippery, making it safer to drive in winter weather.
Car
Porsche 928
The Porsche 928 is a sports car made by Porsche that was popular for its powerful engine and comfortable interior. It was produced for many years, from 1978 to 1995.
Car
Porsche 934
The Porsche 934 is a special racing version of the 911 that was built for competitions. It has a wider body and more powerful engine than regular 911s.
Term
downforce
Downforce is a force that pushes a car down onto the road, helping it stick better and drive faster without losing control. It's important for sports cars and race cars to stay stable while going fast.
Concept
homologated
Homologation means that a car has been officially approved to be used in racing or competitions. It shows that the car meets certain rules and standards needed to compete.
Car
Porsche 968 Turbo S
The Porsche 968 Turbo S is a faster version of the 968 sports car that has a turbocharged engine. It's rare and sought after by car fans.
Car
Porsche 911
The Porsche 911 is a famous sports car that has been around for a long time. It's known for being fast and fun to drive, while also being comfortable enough for everyday use. People talk about it because it's considered one of the best sports cars ever made.
Car
Porsche Carrera GT
The Porsche Carrera GT is a very fast sports car with a powerful engine, made in small quantities, making it quite special.
Car
Alfa Romeo Giulia
The Alfa Romeo Giulia is a stylish car that is known for being fun to drive. It's a smaller sedan that has sporty features and a powerful engine.
Company
Datsun
Datsun was a car brand that made affordable cars, especially popular in the U.S. in the past. It was part of Nissan and is known for making reliable vehicles.
Car
Alfa Romeo GTV
The Alfa Romeo GTV is a type of sporty car made by Alfa Romeo, recognized for its good looks and driving experience.
Concept
Le Mans
Le Mans is a famous car race in France where teams race for a long time, testing their cars and drivers' endurance.
Company
Michelin
Michelin is a company that makes tires for cars. They are known for making good quality tires that help cars perform well, especially in different weather conditions.
Company
Pirelli
Pirelli is another tire company that makes tires for cars. They are known for making performance tires that are often used in racing and high-performance vehicles.
Car
Acura Integra Acura
The Acura Integra is a small car that many people liked for its fun driving experience. The 1987 version is one of the earlier models and is known for being reliable and sporty.
Concept
drifting
Drifting is when a car is driven in a way that makes it slide sideways while still being controlled. It's a fun and exciting way to drive, often seen in car shows and racing events.
Term
VIN number
The VIN number is a special code that helps identify a specific car. It's like a car's unique ID that tells you details about it.
Term
paint job
A paint job is when a car gets a new coat of paint. People do this to make the car look nice or to fix up its appearance.
Term
frosted gold wheels
Frosted gold wheels are a type of wheel finish that looks matte or not shiny, making the car look unique. It's a style choice that some people like to use on their cars.
Term
turbo wing
A turbo wing is a special kind of spoiler that helps cars stay stable when going fast. It's often seen on sporty cars that have turbo engines, making them look cooler and perform better.
Term
decklid
The decklid is the part of the car that covers the trunk. It's like a door that you lift to access the space where you store things in the back of the car.
Car
Porsche 911 Turbo
The Porsche 911 Turbo is a high-performance sports car that has a turbocharged engine, making it faster than regular models. The 930 is a specific version of this car produced during the 1980s.
Term
M491
M491 is a special code used by Porsche to describe a performance package for some 911 models. It usually means the car has features that make it look or perform better.
Car
Porsche 911 GT3 RS
The Porsche 911 GT3 RS is a super-fast version of the regular 911 sports car, made for people who love racing. It's lighter and has a stronger engine, which makes it really fun to drive on tracks. People talk about it because it's one of the best cars for serious driving.
Car
Ferrari 296
The Ferrari 296 is a fast and stylish sports car that uses both a regular engine and an electric motor to go faster and save fuel. It's a new model that many car enthusiasts are excited about.
Company
CarMax
CarMax is a place where you can buy used cars without having to negotiate prices. You can shop for cars online or visit their stores.
Company
Carvana
Carvana is a company where you can buy used cars online, and they even have special machines that look like vending machines to pick up your car.
Car
Land Defenders
The Land Rover Defender is a tough and sturdy vehicle made for driving off-road. It's known for being able to handle rough terrains and is popular among people who love adventure. Many discuss it because of its cool design and ability to go almost anywhere.
Car
Chevrolet Corvette
The Chevrolet Corvette is a fast sports car that many people in America love. The new ZR1 version is one of the most powerful Corvettes ever made, and it's known for being really quick and fun to drive. People talk about it because it's a great mix of performance and price.
Car
Lamborghini Countach
The Lamborghini Countach is a famous supercar that looks really cool and is very fast. It was made a long time ago but is still loved by car fans today because of its unique style and power. People often talk about it because it's considered one of the best-looking cars ever.
Car
Ford F150
The Ford F-150 is a popular pickup truck that many people use for work and everyday driving. It's known for being tough and able to carry heavy loads, which is why so many people like it. It's often mentioned because it's one of the best-selling trucks in America.
Car
Porsche 914S
The Porsche 914 is a smaller sports car that was made a long time ago. It's known for being fun to drive and is often seen as a more affordable Porsche. People talk about it because it can have some problems, especially with rust and parts wearing out.
Car
Dodge Viper
The Dodge Viper is a super-fast sports car that has a really powerful engine. It's known for being loud and exciting to drive, which is why many car enthusiasts love it. People often talk about it because it's a unique car that stands out from others.
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Nice speech.
Everyone just saw it and goes, nice speech stir, because it looks like a regular speech
stir.
But then you have to look closely, and you're like, something is off, and then you go narrow
body, and you're like, that's kind of weird.
So I don't know what to think of it, and I don't know what the, if it was like a 5,000
mile cool color car, it would be huge money.
We're talking well into the threes, maybe even four, because it's collector grade.
This is the guy who wants a speech stir to take on a rally.
We'll see.
I'm anxious.
The car guy in me wants to just drive it.
I want to see, like, to me, then, if you really want a speech stir, the 964 speech stir is
the speech stir to get, because that is kind of the ethos of the original speech stir.
We're going to talk about that today, because I thought those things are, you can get
one of those for less than 200 grand, which I was really surprised when I was researching
it.
Yeah.
And they're good values, and the reason why is because they're narrow body.
Yeah.
I agree.
And they don't carry around the extra weight.
So listen, this is full throttle talk.
Welcome back.
I'm here with my great friends, Paul and Dave.
Casey is taking the week off for some family issues.
So God bless you, Casey.
Hopefully everything goes great for you.
So we're going to be covering our favorite topics this week.
And starting with, what did you do in cars this week?
Automotive news.
Resto mods for less than 500 grand.
I had to boost it up.
I was having a hard time finding anything.
I know this is that I got lazy, I suppose this or that with a twist.
And this was Paul's ideas sold cars.
We found they were actually maybe underpriced.
So and I've got a lot of extra stuff.
I don't know if you guys peruse the sheet, but I put some extra ideas in there as well.
So without any further delay, what did you do in cars this week?
Paul Kramer.
All right, well, we talked a little bit about this before we went live, which is the
coming up FAT fat mankind ice races in Big Sky, Montana at the end of February.
My goal is to drive my 944 Turbo S up there from Southern California to Big Sky, Montana
in the snow.
I'm getting it ready.
I'm getting myself ready.
It is my New Year's resolution.
Like we talked about was to set a goal, not a painful goal, but something fun that's
going to require pain to get there.
And I've been, today I'm going to be walking in knee deep water for a mile to try
to build ankle strength to get ready for snow.
But I drove my 944 up to the mountains, Good Vibes Breakfast Club at Newcombe's on
Friday.
That was my first time driving a manual transmission in the mountains.
I've driven manuals just on the freeway and it worked out really well.
I mean, by the end of the day, I was exhausted.
It was over 200 miles.
The back road all the way through rightward was open, so I drove it on the
way back.
There was snow, not snow on the ground, but on the sides.
And it was really fun.
And right now I'm working on getting snow tires.
Yesterday we were in the garage with the help of a friend putting the front wheels
on the rear to see how they all fit.
And I took my 928 wheels.
You know how it is if you're a car guy, Dave probably really knows this.
You managed to have insane numbers of wheels, but you never have the
wheel you need, right?
Correct.
Correct.
Because you took them off of something else that you didn't really like them on
or whatever.
And you stick them in a storage container or something like that.
And then you pull them and they still look shitty over here, too.
Yeah.
I had over 30 wheels in our storage container.
And I couldn't find the two.
I wanted, found them.
But anyway, so we're working on that.
You know, and I was thinking about, and Tim knows this being in Southern
California, how fortunate we are.
Yes, there's a lot of things shitty about California.
I know it.
You send me messages about, you know, what we have to pay to live there
and the crap we have to deal with.
But like on a Saturday, when a GT2 Sport Evo, a GT2 Evo comes to cars
and coffee.
I mean, I don't know, these are $2 million cars.
They made 30 of them at the very, very end of production.
They got the 3.8 motor.
They were close to.
Can we pause here?
Can we pause here?
So I want you guys, this is something I've had in my spreadsheet
to ask you guys forever.
I mean, you guys never indicate that you want to talk about it, but I'm
just going to, you know, since there's three of us, we can burn
some time here.
And I don't have to worry about being rude and avoiding anybody.
Do you guys think that's the most beautiful car ever designed?
No, no, it's, it, it's horrible, but here's why I like it.
No, no, no, no, no.
Dave hasn't contributed.
Okay.
That car or like personally, I think the Long Hood RSR is the
most beautiful car ever designed full stop.
I just love it from every angle.
I can't say that about any other car with the second close
second of that Frankenstein, the ass looking thing.
Dave, I don't personally, not my jam, like I like the wider body.
I like, you know, the four S or something like that, you know, in
terms of the, but the bolt-on fenders, that particular
tail and the wing just does nothing for me.
I mean, I think it kind of wrecks a perfectly good 993 as
far as I'm concerned.
See, that's why Paul likes it because it's ruining a 993
is really the reason Paul likes it.
Yeah, because as my friend pointed out, Mike Nesdale, who
sees me at Cars and Copy, and he's a 912 guy, and he always
says like, why do you keep picking on us 912 guys?
And I'm like, I pick on you because I love you.
He mentioned something.
He's like, well, I guess you found something new to
Bully, which is 993, so go for it because you're not
picking on my 912 anymore.
And I said, yeah, but the thing about, and you're
right, this ruins a 993 in a sense.
But what I've always liked about Porsches and Tim remembers
my Mad Cow 934 creation was I like this car isn't making
excuses.
It's not trying to be pretty.
It was Porsche going, okay, we need to put even bigger wheels.
They started with a 993 turbo body and they put flares.
They didn't make the flares look great.
They literally riveted them onto the car.
Oh, we need a bigger wing for downforce.
They just put this monster on there.
What I think is horrible is people who recreate these.
They're like, they're mimicking something that's ugly.
That's got a specific function and they're never going to
use that function.
And even the God awful three piece speed line wheels
that make me want to throw up in my mouth make sense
on this car because they were made to be as light
as possible, throw the centers away, throw the
hoops away, reuse as many wheels as possible.
So and when you look inside on my Instagram,
I've got a little video walk around.
It's it's purpose built homologated.
So this so this was the cool thing about this car.
This was owned by tennis pro Helena Sokova.
And if you Porsche has always been a big supporter
of women's tennis, they're always a big sponsor.
And if you're a winner or they like you,
they just give you cars.
So like Lindsay, I've sold to Lindsay Davenport.
I mean, I'm a winner.
Yeah, you are.
I sold to Lindsay Davenport cars and they were
just basic 996 cabs 993 cab, nothing special.
But Helena would get offered.
Hey, Helena, do you want a 993 cab?
She goes, No, I want that.
And Porsche built that for her.
That was her choice of car.
She has a 928 Club Sport Super Rare.
She had a 968 Turbo S Super Rare.
I would love to have a podcast with her because
of all the women tennis players.
She ordered the coolest shit.
Well, I mean, what a rad person.
So that car has a cool history.
And just, you know, since we have time,
I was packing in as many car things as possible
because when I do car things, it makes me walk.
And when I walk, I get stronger for the ice races.
So then on Sunday morning while my wife promised
to go to cars and coffee, but this was too early.
There's a little group of us that meet at Lido
on Sunday morning.
And I mean, look at those two cars.
You have a 911 ST in the communication color,
whatever the blue is and a black on black Carrera GT
just street parked.
In fact, they were kind of double UPS style parking
and the Teslas were parking on the inside.
I was finally got the guys.
I'm like, you guys need to move your cars.
Then I go pick pick up my wife and we go to cars
and another cars and coffee at Italian restaurant
in Long Beach.
You could see us hiding behind the German cars,
but there was Montreal's that car in the back
is a launch of full the full via Zagato,
which is a really cool car and then there's the Julia
and then there was Johnny Morton.
And do you guys know who he is?
I do motorcycle racer.
That's Johnny Morton.
He was he was really the guy who put Datsun
BRE on the map really got Datsuns into the U.S.
Market.
They were they were the best Transam races in the late
60s.
It was just the epic battles between Datsun,
Alpha and BMW.
And then you imagine they all look the same.
You could see a GTV in the background.
And what's funny is he I mean he loath Alpha,
but he's hanging out at an Alpha event.
He's raced at Monterey Historic.
He's raced Le Mans.
I mean, it's just this is just a weekend in Southern
California car culture, which makes all the pain
of the other shit we have to deal with.
Kind of worth it.
So that's what I did.
Well, I'm not going to talk politics, though.
I do have to say this is worth mentioning.
The newsletter has created is starting to get a
following outside of the podcast, which is kind of
fun.
Interesting.
I wasn't expecting that.
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So we've been writing tons and tons of articles.
It's, you know, with AI, it makes it a lot
easier.
You put in the idea and you put in the outline
and that kind of creates that fills in the
blanks, you know, but Paul's been writing some
fun stuff and old 9-elevens.
And now we've got, we were getting some contributors,
some really unbelievably wonderful content that's
being produced by all of you guys.
And if you'd like to contribute something, don't
worry about it being grammatically correct or
all the rest of it because we're going to run it
through the, you know, AI editor anyway.
So if you've got something you'd like to submit,
just message it to actually all you have to
do is just when you get the newsletter, just
reply saying you'd like to contribute, maybe
attach what you'd like to contribute and you
and I will go back and forth.
And I mean, it's, it's a lot of fun.
I'm really surprised how successful the newsletter
has been and then at the same time I'm not
because we definitely have found our people.
So Dave, what did you do in the last week?
Well, I'm going to come first before we move
on to me.
I need to come back to Paul for one minute
because I really do want to talk a little bit
more about this fat, fat man pie ice race.
So I'm familiar with it all, Paul, but are
you going as a, not as a participant, are
you're going to observe or what are you, what's
your plan here?
Cause I'm trying to get in on this mix.
So the plan is the goal is to drive up there
from Costa Mesa all the way to Big Sky, Montana
with my buddy have the car ready.
And if I'm lucky, get to participate in the
actual ice race, which is best way to describe
it is like a Jim Conner autocross on ice.
It's more of an exhibition.
It's somewhat competitive, but very gentlemen.
It's more of a show and display.
So when you go on to their website, you
can go buy tickets or it says enter a car.
I entered two cars, my 911, the green 911
I do rallies in the 944.
I literally got an email back this morning
that they said, no, thank you on the 911.
Maybe the 944, which I've kind of made look
fun with Dutch police delivery.
I think they're looking for stuff.
That's social media, Instagrammable.
It's really when you go to their website,
you can see it's an event made to be Instagrammable.
I'm trying all my stops.
My friend, again, has a 67 s.
He's driving up.
He knows people on the inside.
I spent 20 minutes talking to Ferdy Porsche
and it's his event at his place in Mankai.
And of course, I don't have his email.
I just DM'd him, which a million people DM him.
I'm trying everything possible to get to put my car
in the event and drive it.
Worst case, we're going as a just a spectator.
Yeah, hanging out, got an Airbnb and
look at that again.
Some other stuff going on.
I mean, there's another event on a done floor.
And I think it's around the same time that I may do,
but I'd love to do that.
I really would.
It'd be cool as hell to do that.
So I'm going to definitely follow up after after this
whole thing.
And because I was on the website earlier now
that you mentioned it.
So it sounds like a really cool event.
Oh, what's your exposure to actual snow?
Just out of curiosity.
It's limited, but the guy I'm bringing with me,
my friend Joe, he grew up in the Northeast.
So, you know, I was looking for a co-driver.
So the perfect co-driver would be grew up in snow,
like is a good passenger, good driver and has mechanical know-how.
He's got not the mechanical know-how, but he spends so much
cubic dollars at Jerry Woods, which is a premier shop that
I've been on rallies with him on a Sunday.
He's got them on a hot phone.
Like they answer his call.
You know what Paulie Market is?
What's it?
If you guys heard Paulie Market, you guys check it out.
Basically, it's a site where you can go and place little
tiny bets on whether it's like gambling, but it's gambling
on all kinds of normal things.
Well, you know, how many times will Elon Musk, you know,
tweet today, things like that, right?
So we should start a Paulie Market as to whether or not
Paul's actually going to make it through that experience
because Paul, here's the thing.
I grew up in snow in Ohio, but Montana snow is not normal.
And I know you've driven up in that part of the world off,
you know, when it's not snowy out and I'm going to give
you a little something that might break your heart a bit.
You remember those big fricking poles that you say,
what the hell?
They have these rando poles that go out.
That's how high the snow gets.
Okay.
This exactly.
So you could very well.
Okay.
Just be ready.
It's all I'm saying.
So I've been consulting with Jeff Swart.
The roads we're taking are going to be.
There's a lot of spectators expected.
So they're going to be clearing the roads.
I am setting up my 944 talking to the 944.
There's a whole community 944 rally guys that go snow racing.
So I'm setting up with real ice snow tires.
I'll have chains.
Even Jeff Swart said, and he's been up there.
The snow in Aspen is far worse and he uses his 9-11s with
just ice, you know, like Michelin Blizzaks or the
Pirellis.
I'm trying to Pirellis does sponsor that car.
I'm trying to get a set of Pirellis snow tires for it.
I'll have an extra.
The walking sticks I have, I've already have the modification
turns them into kind of like ski poles with carbine tips.
So I could walk.
You're right.
I'm I have driven in snow up in the mountains.
And then this winter as there's more snow.
I'm going to with those tires do practice driving up
there more and more and practice walking.
And how does the parking lots or something?
Like what do you mean?
Yeah, like in the turnouts.
Well, the turnouts fill with snow all the time.
And then the road has snow and ice.
I've driven up there.
It's great.
I believe it or not of my cars.
My 928 is probably the best in the snow and ice.
It's really heavy.
Thirty thirty one hundred pounds.
Not that heavy, but it's just it's just stable.
So yeah, I'm.
It's going to be hard.
When I mention this to my physical therapists, they look
at me like I'm nuts.
Everyone thinks I'm nuts.
I mean, like, who knows?
Maybe I make it.
Maybe I don't.
I'll make it.
No, just doing us the adventure.
I mean, hell, just having been up.
But if you've never have you ever spent time in Montana,
like during the, you know, anytime.
Well, we have.
We just Julie and I used to drive there.
Um, I won't bore you with details, but you got to
see the stars in Montana.
This when you the first time you actually have you ever seen
the bend in the solar system, like when looking up the sky,
you could actually see the bend in the milky.
Um, Josh, Joshua tree.
I've seen that.
Okay, exactly.
I saw that there as well.
Montana, it's, um, there's zero pollution and you're higher
up.
And so the, the clarity of the stars and the colors that
if that in itself will be the reason to that'll be great
experience.
If you just get to see that or the northern lights, you
know, that's what I'm hoping for is the northern
lights that that is on my bucket list of life things to
do.
Julie wants to go to Finland to see the northern lights.
I mean, you're going to Alaska.
Alaska will do it.
All right.
Yeah.
I have all these excuses, but I'm running out of excuses.
There's yeah.
Anyway, that's a different conversation.
Uh, so I'll go ahead.
What should, shouldn't you not be able to pull some
strings as, as one of the, uh, hosts of full throttle
talk, Paul, to, to get some kind of press access or
something.
I am in there.
I'm doing everything possible to try to do that.
Um, make some calls later as well.
Yeah.
And, uh, if you, if they like the full throttle team to
be there to report live on the action, you know, we'll
have a car.
We can, we'll, I'll be there and we'll be ready to go.
Yeah.
We'll put full throttle stickers on the big ones on
the hood.
Now dude, I move, I move.
Jules and I, we moved to Puerto Rico.
We actually moved out of Ohio 17, 18 years ago.
So we'd never have to live through another winter
and I ain't going back.
I had enough of that growing up.
I'm not struggling yet.
I'm good with that.
So yeah, I mean, I grew up in Syracuse, New York.
So you're talking about snow, baby.
I know snow.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I grew up in, uh, Orange County, California.
Oh, do I know he had a different, he had a different
kind of snow, 80 snow, you know, but I, you know,
I remember when, uh, I first started driving and
my first, one of my, my second car I got was
an 87 Integra, Acura Integra nil.
And my dad and I went up to the mountains in Big Bear
when it was a snowstorm.
He was going to teach me how to drive in the snow
and we found open parking lots of the iced over
and I got to do a lot of drifting and stuff as it,
you know, I was 17 or 18.
No, no, I was 18.
And I remember we were coming down the hill
and the car just, just died.
You know, what we think ultimately that was
is a block of like a chunk of ice got caught in
the clutch and it stalled the car
and we kind of drifted over the side.
And I remember it's snowing
and it's filling up the bur, the side to the door.
And my dad and I are seriously looking at the gas tank
going, how long can we run the heater?
How long will we be here?
Oh, yeah.
And stranded in the mountains of California.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It was out, you know, Big Bear is 8000 feet
and it does get snow.
And I remember, oh, heck yeah.
Um, and this was my dad's okay.
Just, just, we started just inside the car
popping the clutch, like turn the car on, have it
idling in gear and just let the clutch out.
And we did that and it rocked and rocked
and whatever was stuck in the thing loosened up
and we drove home, but I would say once a year
I drive up to the mountains in the snow and ice
and, you know, hopefully
No, man, it's good.
I'm glad you're, it's for you this year.
Having that as your in cap for the year
after the year you've had with challenges
is miraculous.
And if you don't mind, maybe you could write
an article about this and we put it in the newsletter
because like Dave, I'm sure there's a lot of the people
that love to do this rally as well and just want more
information.
So if you could turn something out, that'd be great.
Dave, I love the wide body G body behind you.
So tell us about that.
What'd you do in cars this week?
Well, this, this was, this was my week in cars.
We're getting to the finish line here on this.
Uh, this is an 85 M 491 Targa, which in and of itself
makes it somewhat, you know, reasonably rare car.
I mean, maybe 60 of them or something along those lines
were made and imported to the U S obviously guards read,
but this car I bought back at the beginning of the year
and it kind of harkens back to our conversation
from last week where, you know, we had our listener
Matt who asked us questions about how do you,
you know, keep these cars from, you know, creeping
into your own collection and candidly, I think
this one may creep into mine for a while.
So, uh, I bought the car.
The long story here is the guy who sold this car
originally didn't realize it was a real M 491.
He thought it had been a wide bodied, um, just a standard
new body, somebody wide body, but it turned out
after we did some research on it.
And I went and got the, now you can't see it
because this is black, but the Porsche hard act
specification sheet, right?
That shows the build sheet on the VIN number
and so on that we went back and over the last
eight or 10 months or so, we've been bringing
this car back, but it got a full paint job.
We took the wheels, this car had originally been
delivered with these light gold wheels on it,
which, you know, somebody had turned them into,
let me get out of the way there, but I sent those
off to, uh, uh, restore in Orange County and
they turned them back into the light gold, which
I think looks really interesting on this car.
Wait, wait, wait, they were, they were
ordered that way with the gold wheels.
This, yeah, this was the way the car was
delivered.
Wow, that's a US car or gray market?
No, it's a US car, huh?
But here's a weird thing, like red with these
frosted gold wheels is a current thing.
Like you see GT3RS's, you've seen them
ordered with that frosted gold.
Yeah.
That is weird for the 80s.
Like that must have been such a weird thing.
And then the sports seats that are in the car
had black piping on them.
So we recolored their sports seats and it had,
I don't have good pictures of those
because we got them all wrapped up still,
but, um, but it's a neat piece.
Somebody along the way, so I'll get
your opinion or I want your opinion on this
guys, somebody along the way had taken the
deck lid off this car.
Leave it straight up, straight up deck lid on it.
No way.
You, do you have, do you have the wing?
Do you have the wing?
I don't.
Don't have the original wing.
So should I source one and put it back on?
No, no, the way it is.
I would leave it the way it is.
Maybe in this, in the wings source one
that you're ready to pull the trigger on.
Yeah.
I mean, first of all, first of all, what do
you, what you're planning on keeping this car ish?
I'll keep it for, you know, how it goes, Paul.
You know, you roll it in, you drive it for a little
while, you enjoy it, you get bored of it.
Okay.
It's time for sale.
So that's kind of the idea.
I wouldn't, if you had the turbo wing, great.
I would right now just enjoy it.
And if a turbo wing falls into your lap on another,
like maybe a turbo wing comes on a car
that shouldn't have it, you know, then you
just put that aside.
And then when you go to sell it, say,
because you and I know the turbo, if you have
a turbo wing car already, when you take the
turbo wing off, you have to do paint on the
decklid.
But if you want to put it on, you just take
that grill off and now you drill holes in
the decklid.
You know, Tim, you don't have to buy a whole
new decklid.
You just buy the wing.
So I'm going to give you guys some car trivia.
Could you buy, ready for this, a 930 turbo
in the US trick question without a rear wing?
Yes.
Yes.
I want to say it's an M570 package.
Somebody listening is going to correct me when
I give the answer.
If I get it wrong.
I think there was a certainly an option code for
wing delete on the M491.
I remember that and it was a five-something.
I don't know that I'm thinking about that.
I don't think you can for the 930 because
I don't think Orchard likes the idea of
fitting the intercooler.
You could get the intercooler underneath the
on a sorry, sorry on a on a 76, 77 and older one.
A non-intercooled 930 you could order it without a decklid.
Listen, in the 80s, you could and I know this
because I had a friend when we lived in Columbus
that had two or three of them.
You could actually order a 930 without the
rear wing in Germany.
Well, where do they put?
How did they fit the intercooler?
I'm trying to remember he he showed me he
had to replace the intercooler.
I don't think I don't think I was in the grill.
I don't remember where it was.
You guys look it up.
I'll pull out my the red book.
If you're a 911 guy, this is a one of the
well, the few things I still use an analog research
because they just, you know, the AI does not
bastardize the results to hear what I want to hear.
But something else that's cool about your car is
that fact that it's guards red and guards red,
you know, ask Paul for a long time, people
might want a red Porsche, kind of like my reaction
to block ones, but now guards red being an
optional color on the new ones is really coming
back and people like guards red again.
Isn't that hilarious?
And what a beautiful, what a beautiful color to
we have.
I think I've got six of them in the shop right now.
All guards are at six guards red cars.
You can see in the background this car.
I could see the target in the background and
there's something way red.
There's two targets, both red.
Actually driving to the shop yesterday, I look
at my rear view mirror and I thought of you,
Dave, it was and it was a new GT3 RS like yours.
Guards red, which you never see.
It had the wheels kind of like your M 491.
The gold wheels and the graphics, but he did
the baller move.
I know it was a vice sock package, but the hood
was painted.
So it looked so imagine the hood all red.
Oh, yeah, it looks so good.
And I was seeking, man, you take the graphics
off the car, you paint the wheel silver.
That would be like, you never see GT2 RS's or very
how many 992s period you see in guards red.
And I think down the road, that could be the hot color.
Yeah, for sure, especially since it's an all new
color for the younger generation who are kind
of setting the trend for what's cool of the new cars.
So in cars this week, I ordered one of these.
That is cool as hell.
Yeah, that is so cool.
That's rad.
And you know who won me to order it?
Zoe, because I had one, not like that.
I had one that wasn't as cool.
And so what we're looking at is a Bachman and it's
based on a Honda.
I forget what CC.
It doesn't matter about a Honda chassis.
It's an all electric e-bike.
It comes in e-bike, moped and full on motorcycle.
It's all the same chassis and frankly, the only
difference is as whether or not you have the
top speed limited, but isn't that beautiful?
And that's exactly what ours is going to look
like.
Actually, we're getting a different seat, but
that's the gist of it.
So that's supposed to arrive before Christmas.
If any of you guys are interested, if any of
you are interested in one of these, let me know
and I'll hook you up and share with you what I
learned, frankly, when I was going through the
order process, but that's it.
So it's like a basically motorcycle chassis,
motorcycle brakes, motorcycle suspension, everything's
all the touch points or motorcycle quality.
Whereas a lot of the other e-bikes, especially
the ones made in China, they're not.
And that's one of the reasons I got rid of
our original one is because this all the crap
would fall off.
It was annoying, but these things are quite
beautiful.
And I think it looks really cool too.
Doesn't it?
Let's say this very cool looking.
What's the range?
What's how much range on that, Tim?
I'm sorry.
Yeah, range of speed.
I don't really know, frankly.
I mean, I just thought it looked cool enough to
get around the island there.
That's what I'm saying.
Around your neighborhood.
One lap around the island.
It's set up for that.
Well, I'm not going to take it outside of our
community for sure.
So this is Steve McQueen's.
All right, let's try him.
Yeah, his triumph.
Yeah.
So you get the idea of it.
He was really obviously into, he's before
my generation, but yeah.
Anyway, so there you go.
That's that's why I did.
And because it was Thanksgiving, we were able
to take the 296 out here in Puerto Rico.
The temperatures are perfect there in the 70s
during the day.
We took the top down and we were, we did a,
believe it or not, in San Juan, there's a
Ferrari Bentley Lamborghini, enormous Porsche
dealership, you know, everything you can
imagine is all down San Juan.
So Julie and I, you know, with virtually
no other cars in the road went down and did a
Puerto Rican car guy tour, which we had
a lot of fun doing.
It was great.
And do you have, do you have like mountain
or twisty roads or, or like, what is the
dynamic driving?
So if you look at Puerto Rico, it's
chased, you know, shaped like a kidney
basically, and in the center is an old
volcano.
And so you, there actually is a mountain
road.
I've only done part of it.
I haven't done the whole thing.
Mine, all of our friends with Porsches
because there's a ton of really nice
Porsches here.
They do drive up and they call it the
Puerto Rican Alps because as you drive
up, the temperature starts to drop and
there's little restaurants on the way
up and the roads going up that are
really supposedly technical.
But the higher you go up, the worse
the roads are.
Like worse mean that rocky.
Yeah.
Rocky and the edges are gone and things
like that.
And sometimes if you're caught behind
somebody driving really slow, the
usual scenario like you run into
everywhere, you know, when you go
driving, but yeah.
So that's the, as far as Puerto
Rican drives, there's not, it's
not like living in North Carolina
around tailed the dragon or, you
know, the fire roads in California
and things like that.
It's nowhere near the same.
But still, it's, we had a great time.
It was fun.
All right.
So guys, let's move on.
All right.
So I can't believe that was segment
one automotive news.
I'll go through mine really quick.
And it's not much really to talk
about other than the fact I thought
this was interesting.
Ford is now selling their used cars
on Amazon discuss.
I mean, is it is it delivery tomorrow?
But if you wait for two days,
you get like 50 bucks off your
groceries.
I don't know.
If you put it on your, if you put
it on a credit card, do you get
like some, you know, points in
your credit card?
I, but I thought, so they're not
new cars because I'm sure they have
franchise laws they had to dance
around, but used cars and the
dealers can choose whether or not
they want to participate in the
Amazon, Ford, Amazon store
if they want to.
But I thought, is this the way
of the future where people are
going to be able to buy cars
online completely?
They're doing it now, right?
I mean, it's sort of car max
and it's Carvana and it's all
that sort of stuff.
Here's the thing is, is Ford
selling these or are dealers
selling?
Because I didn't think Ford as a
manufacturer was allowed in the
US to sell new or used.
I thought it had to come from a
dealership network.
I think that's the workaround,
but technically they're going
through Amazon.
So the deal is the reseller.
There are they becoming.
So here's the question.
If Amazon is acting as the
dealer in a sense.
First of all, where's Ford
getting the cars?
Are they buying them back from
the dealer?
And second of all, is Amazon
becoming a licensed dealer in
every state that they're
operating, which is I assume
they want to sell them in all
50 states or at least 49.
I don't know.
I don't know the answers to
the questions, but I do think
it's interesting because it
could create a whole new
marketplace for, you know,
I don't know if I would ever
personally feel comfortable
buying a car that way,
especially a used one.
I certainly would a new one.
What difference does it make?
Those are kind of commodity
type things.
I mean, what's the difference
between buying that on or like
an eBay classified or a
Craigslist listing?
I mean, you see the ad.
Maybe you go look at the car.
I'm reading the press release
here right now.
And basically it sounds like
you it's the local dealers
still the guy in the mix.
And it's just using Amazon
to facilitate the transaction.
That's more sense.
I mean, yeah, it's just
another centralized.
It's kind of like think
of it as a centralized
place for all these four used
car dealers or centralizing
their inventory.
And so you can look in.
Well, so let me let me tell you
the reason I thought this
was specifically interesting
because my normal job
obviously is in the real estate
space.
And there was it was probably
about 15 years ago that.
I can't some.
I mean, we had to sign
non-disclosures.
So I won't get very
specific information.
But Amazon had played round
with getting into the
residential real estate
business and nobody really
knew about it.
It was a top secret
and the whole thing.
And long story short,
they have a platform.
They have the eyeballs.
They have the audience.
I wonder if they could create
their own bring a trailer.
And so when I saw this,
that's where my mind went.
Would this Amazon would be
the perfect gateway drug
again, because they already have
the audience and the eyeballs
and the trust, frankly,
to to be the ultimate
online auction site.
That's my that that was
the reason I specifically
thought the story was
interesting.
I know, I think that makes
sense.
It would be like the bring
a trailer for not the car
people, the people who are
shopping for like right now,
my sister shopping for a regular
car and she's going back
and forth looking at Kia and
Hyundai and Mazda and just the
kind of cars that normal
people buy as a commuter
and they don't understand
our world.
And if they could go to an
Amazon, I mean, there's
true car, which is sort of
kind of like that.
True car out here is a bunch
of dealers putting the
inventory together and true
cars trying to act as this
liaison, right?
Easy to get the models
proven.
Paul, I'm not saying that.
What I'm saying is nobody
at the size of Amazon has
ever done it before, right?
That's the difference.
You know, so I mean, who
so my I think the dealers
shouldn't be afraid.
They got another avenue
to reach people like it.
I don't know the downside
except for Amazon becoming
just this.
I'll tell you the downside
is this is what happens.
Okay.
So what's going they're
not going to try to make
any margin on the cars.
They might even lose
money in the cars.
They're going to try to
make money on the back end.
What, you know, essentially
they're the big dealer model.
That's where and that's where
the local dealers are going
to care because they're not
going to be able to compete.
Again, it's like the large
franchise like automation.
What if, for example,
Amazon goes to so I used
to coach the number of
Mercedes Benz salesperson
in the world and he was
working at Fletcher Jones
and he had a deal worked
out where he could sell
his Mercedes to his clients
for around 300 to $1000
less than anybody else could.
So no one could ever touch
his prices and the dealership
was losing money on every car
he sold, but they're making
it up on the back end
because they get all the
whole backs and they get
all the other things
and because he was selling
so many freaking cars.
He could go in there
and make whatever deal
he wanted with, you know,
Fletcher Jones and they
complied.
So ultimately and you look
at, for example,
the Costco model,
where's Costco make their
money?
You guys know where Costco
makes it make their money?
Real estate owning
the property.
Well, that's close.
Chickens, right?
Hot dogs, right?
No, they make it off
memberships.
If you look at their,
if you look at their,
their, you know,
financial statements,
it's the annual membership
where they make most of
their profit.
And that's the reason
they don't give a crap
whether or not they make
margins on all the products
and they can undercut
the nearest producer.
So if you're selling
fucking chickens, right?
And you're competing
with Costco.
You're screwed
because Costco can go
in there, buy the chickens
for less than you can
because they can buy a lot
more and they can sell them
and lose money on them.
And it's so that's what
I think of the dealer
was really thinking big
that that would be
necessarily not loving
an idea of Amazon
going down that road.
Unless it allows
that small dealer
to finally have
a bigger footprint,
like you look at
bring a trailer.
There are,
there are small guys
out there
that suddenly had a platform
that they can be,
they can have the facade
of a big,
you know,
you know,
like a can of a kind of place
and there's still
a small mom and pop.
I get it.
I mean,
look, look what like
Casey's doing
and you guys
to a certain extent,
but really,
Casey's trying to be an
or trying to be a
bring a trailer,
you know,
area rep or whatever
the title is
that's actually
a really freaking
brilliant,
you know,
business model.
You don't,
as a seller,
you normally don't pay
anything on bring a trailer
in case you guys
didn't know that.
So what these guys
are doing like
Casey is they'll
come get the car.
They clean it up.
They prep it.
They deal with
all the Mickey Mouse.
You don't have to do
shit and they charge
usually around 10%.
So,
you know,
there's a 10%
you're gonna have to pay
the buyer pays
bring a trailer.
I think it's up to
five grand.
Five per 5%
up to 7,500
cap.
Yeah,
they just bumped
it to 7,500
this year.
Can you guys think
in our lifetimes
the cooler bring a trailer
is got to be
the smarter
that everyone made
fun of.
What you remember
Laguna Seca
when they had that
crappy little card
table and they had
a little bring
trailer sign
to everyone's
like what the hell
I remember
and Randy's
giving out
like ear things.
Exactly.
And to do just
staying there
covered with
Dustin,
you know,
like they got
the worst place
to ever set anything
and then they
sold it to
who'd they,
who'd they sell
that to
Hearst
Hearst was a
Hearst publishing
for like no one
knows for sure
but it was hundreds
of millions
of dollars.
Yeah.
I mean,
that's
and people
at in my
business
when I
I'm
fortunate
and thankful.
I don't
have to rely
on bring a trailer.
I know
that there are
businesses
built
where literally
if bring
a trailer
turned off
the lights
tomorrow
or change
their model.
They could be
kind of screwed
and it's the same
as the YouTube
model.
You know
the YouTuber
influencers
out there.
They're
watching YouTube
change the algorithm.
They've got
you kind of
by the
proverbial balls
dillo's doing that
for real estate people.
So I'll
really
I mean,
since
since we
I'll tell you guys this
you won't
you won't
freaking believe it.
So when you
so when you
go to Zillow
and you're
looking at
house for sale
and you say
click the contact
agent button.
You're not
contacting
the listing agent.
You're
contacting
to an
agent
who's
paying for
those leads.
That's
the way it
works
and now
they're
getting sued
under
they're
getting sued
six different ways
and one of
which is under
a Rico
statute
saying
of fooling
out
I could hear
racketeering
holy crap
racketeering
well anyway
because they're
trying to steer
I don't
I don't even
talk out of
church here
because I'm
not an expert
on all of this
though I am
going to get
someone on our
other podcast
that is
and talk
about all of it
but I digress
here's
what's
fascinating
is those
agents pay
a 45%
referral fee
back to
Zillow
for that
sale
so someone
ends up
buying a
$300,000
house
and let's
say
there's a
$9,000
commission
before the broke
before
this come out
they're paying
it 40 to
45%
back to
Zillow
for just having
connected them
with that
buyer
now
if that
that
when they
start
mafia
when they
start doing
that
when they
started doing
that
this was back
in 2007
2008
selling
buyer leads
they were charging
20 to
25%
which is
the normal
in the real
estate industry
for referral fee
and what
happened is
all these
brokerages
and these
teams
have started
to form
and their
entire business model
to your
point Paul
has been
predicated
on buying
these buyer leads
so they don't
generate
their own leads
and now what
Zillow has done
is just slowly
tighten the
noose
so
yeah
they're getting
rug pulled
that's
what's happening
and I
in case
and I've
talked a little bit
about this
I really
want to push
him
build
first of all
when you
have a
bring a trailer
account
it cracks
me up that
you
if you're
a business
like
Casey's
group
was a group
C curation
yeah
should be
your
handle
and every picture
should have
your license plate
frame
you should do
everything you
can
when you're
getting on
bring a trailer
to convert
those viewers
bring a trailer
bring a trailer
right
build your network
because
at the end of the
day
you know
it took me
20 years
but like
the last 7 cars
we've sold
I didn't even
get on the
website
like
I got on the
website
as a courtesy
just to share
the information
and
you want to
build
a tight
network
of
people that
know your
business
so that
if
sure
bring a trailer
gets
sold off again
and go somewhere else
you don't
sit there going
where did all
my clients go
it's
it's something
that
again
I don't want to
talk about real estate
I do this podcast
so I don't
even have to
think about
freaking real estate
but it is
it is a section
of what book
Julie and I
wrote in
2019
it's called
don't build
your
mansion
on land
you don't
own
and that's
what we're
describing
so to your
point
Paul
I agree
and what
you just said
there which
I'm
I'm sorry
we're talking
business
but if you guys
are
in the
formation
phases
of
deciding
what you
want to do
professionally
you've got
to do
exactly what you
just said
and you've got
to form a newsletter
you've got
it
you know
generate the lead
keep the
branding consistent
and then
take them
and put them
in a newsletter
because
your email
list
more than anything
especially
now
is more valuable
and also
to what Paul
said
all the
Instagramming
and all
the social
media stuff
all that
stuff
is ubiquitous
especially
in this age
of AI
and I'm not
going to get started
anymore
because
I could
talk about
this for
three
hours straight
um
easily
I could
alright
so Paul
you are
talking
week I didn't even know
this existed
and as I
dug deeper
into it
I was like
this is
a
TV
minis
miniseries
this is a
Pablo
Escobar
level
what is
a number of
listeners
yeah
so
what we
have
here
is
a
2002
Mercedes
CLK
GTR
Roadster
they made
six of these
I think
they made
total
CLK
GTR
which is
the
road going
version
of the
late
90s
a
Lamar car
that
why
and then they made
road ones
and their
estimated
value is
13 million
dollars
well
what's
special
about this
and these
photos
were
literally
shared
intentionally
by the
FBI
these are
FBI
photos
and
it was
seized
from
a
alleged Canadian
Olympic
snowboarder
Ryan
Wedding
his last
name is
Wedding
who has
turned into
a drug
kingpin
now
I'm sorry
I don't
follow
the drug
kingpin
world
he's now
one of the
most
wanted people
on the FBI
list
and they say
50 million
yeah
they'll offer
50 million
I thought it was
15 million
but
it's
maybe you're right
I
maybe I
heard it
wrong
but
it's a
lot of money
I mean
the FBI
is saying
this guy
is
as bad
if not
worse
than Pablo
Escobar
I can't remember
the other
I'll
have
they call him
El Hefe
El Chapo
El Chapo
I mean
he has
it was funny
listening to a podcast
about
they talked about
how like there's this
at least
decorum
among
drug
kingpins
where they don't
kill
like
necessarily
innocent people
like
if they run across
innocent person
they don't
kill him
he does
I mean
he is
and you see him
he looks like
a Southern
California
what's up
brah
I mean
he looks
like
a surfer
snowboarder
dork
I'll probably get
now
I hit on
yeah
exactly
this story
is making
nervous
what you're saying
so
now you're
but here's a
but here's a
he bought
this car
at least
his accountant
or the person
doing the
money laundering
I mean
in one hand
hey
we can
we can
launder
13 million
dollars
like that
and by the way
stop for a second
let's talk about that
because that's actually
an interesting
topic
and I'm going to ask
you guys this
because I do
know people
have done this
in the past
do you guys
know people
that buy cars
never flip the titles
keep the titles
in the old
owners names
and just
essentially make it
so that the title
never transfers
to them
and then they can
pass the car
along
sell the car
make a profit
never after reported
you guys know
the people
have done that
yep
I've seen people
for sure
we get
we get cars
we get cars
and I go
well
who's this
on the title
and they're like
what's the guy
I bought it from
I go
you bought it
from him
like five
years ago
like
what am I
supposed to
are they flipping
it
or are they
just being
lazy
I would say
they use
lazy
as the cover
for them
flipping it
and not
paying
the fees
now
with the whole
Montana
LLC
some of them
have smartly
put it
in the title
in their
LLC
which is better
than just
leaving it
in the title
but
some of it
are lazy
I would say
most of it
is
I'm going to
buy this car
I'll drive it
around
with
the plates
that are
on it
who cares
I barely
drive it
and then
I'll sell it
and I don't
have to pay
any peace
in California
it's getting
tough
to do that
so I've known
people
who have bought
vintage
Ferraris
in particular
in Europe
kept them
in Europe
never took
delivery
never brought
them
to the United States
and essentially
kept them
over there
for a year
or however long
and then
listed them
with the broker
never took title
to it
and that's
and people
have done that
for a long
period of time
and that
technically
is money
laundering
oh yeah
right
we were going down
the hardcore
money laundering
conversation
though
no guys
that are
buying these cars
and
yeah like
clearly
there's a couple
of dealers
around here
that I
truly wonder
about
where the hell
the source
of these
funds is
because
they've got
a
let me
know
a whole
bunch
of
very
high-dollar
cars
and I guarantee
they're not
all on
floor plans
yeah
so much
so here's a big
question about
this CLKGTR
they mentioned
the FBI mentioned
one thing
which
kind of just
hurt me inside
oh
maybe we'll
crush it
as an example
like
you remember
when the
yeah
you remember
when the
Land Rover
Defenders
were coming in
and then
maybe
Cooper's
and all that
Cooper
and they were
just crushing
I'm just
to prove
a point
okay
those are
20 30
$40,000
cars
that
there were
replacements
like
the
first of all
that would be
stupid
because
at the very
least
go put it
in auction
and take that
money
and go use it
for something
good
you know
I'm sure
that's what you're going to use to pay the reward
you're going to be the reward reward
but then
the other thought
was like
okay
can you imagine this
at like
a normal
police
auction
they're doing
like
you know
police cruisers
and all of a sudden
and the guys
like
oh
we have a Mercedes
it's a 2002
the blue book
values
13 million
right here
12
and
and then
if you buy this car
is that
like
is that a cool thing
hey
I had one of the
biggest
kingpin
drug
lords
who killed people
allegedly
and this is his
CLK
money laundering vehicle
you know
this is where
Casey
should have been
on today's
show
because he would
had the
perfect snarky
comment right now
you would
perfect
way to end
this segment
so we don't
have to hear
about this
anymore
because
I'm still
reeling
over the fact
that you
basically
probably just
pissed off
what
evidently
is one
of the most
sociopathic
drug dealers
in the world
Paul Kramer
said it
it wasn't
either
of
us
we're good
we
he could
join our
newsletter
and you
can
write an
article
and
and
repuddle
which
we would
how did
he find
this car
how did
he find
this car
exactly
did he
drive it
Dave
you had
something
cool
that I
didn't
even
know about
Oh
I did
see those
pictures
on Instagram
are
I
I think
this is really
you know
candidly
I think
this is
more
clickbait
than
anything
else
let's
talk about
this
this
the cms
design studio
using
996
style headlights
on a modern
991
and you're saying
it's a pretty
pretty good results
and so you're
putting up
that
I mean
I
look at it
I mean
again
and
I'm not
suggesting
here
here's another
picture with
the
two
side by
side
but
if you're
on
and
watching
on YouTube
here
you can
see this
but
you know
they took
a modern
992
and they
figured out
a way
at least
you know
through
graphics
and what
not
let me
get out of
the way
there
I mean
it looks
it was
especially with
those
dorky
wheels
that looks
a little
AI
generated
well it's totally
I generate
that's my
point
I don't
think
that's my
my point
about the
clickbait
here
is that
I
once I'd
really
dug into
this
I think
this is all
just
AI
generated
stuff
that they
did
but
I just thought
it was
interesting
that someone
would
pick this
up in
the
in the
car
world
and in
the car
press
and push
it out here
basically
just to
kind of
show
hey
you know
it's good
good news
for the
the 996
folks
because they're
looking at
that going
okay yeah
I can kind of
see that
as
that looks
like to
me though
more like
air intakes
right there
than it
does
like the
directionals
that are
normally there
on those
996
lights
I just
thought it was
kind of
cool
I thought
it was an
interesting
design
study
and
you know
it's got the
hollow
spoke
turbo
wheel
you're still
trying to
sell it
turbo twist
wheels
you're still
trying to
sell it
so
those
yeah
those wheels look
like
OZ
wheels from
the
80s
they
they
they do
it
but if you're going to
put air vents on the
front
and by the way
you know
look at
the gills
on the bottom
they have
enough
air
to cool
a large
house
but
if you're
going to
do air vents
up there
I'd rather
see
knack
of ducks
which are
I think
the best
coolest
looking
air vents
on
on a car
I like
knack of ducks
who doesn't
right
so
all right
let's
move on
so we're
going to
do a
pop
quiz and then
we're going to
get to
what I think
the heart
of today's show
will be
which is
rest of mods
to show some love
to your 912
fans
because there
was some badass
912
rest of mods
I'm
hopefully
you picked
one of those
up
all right
so here's
the pop
quiz question
and I thought
this one
specifically
for
I'll call him
Kramer
when I know
he's about to
bother me
so this
one
I thought
specifically
for Kramer
what supercar
is worth more
when it has
no stripes
which were
a high
dollar option
when new
which cars
worth more
with no
stripes
that was
this
let's called
a supercar
it's a modern
classic
that's been on here
now
then
even though
the stripes
were
high dollar
option
originally
okay
so
for those
who know me
and if
I don't
have my friend
Kip
is listening
because
he knows
that
I have
among many
things
I hate
I hate
stripes
on cars
it
it has to be
so right
like
it's very
it's
one of
things
hard to
describe
it's either
99
times
it's
it's wrong
but my
guess
is
a four
GT
generation
for
GT
everyone
in the beginning
you had to order
the four
options
which
was stripes
the wheels
the
Macintosh
stereo
and
I'm going to kill
myself
I can't remember
the fourth
option
but now
everyone
ordered
all four
options
believe
it or not
the value
ones
are no
stripes
and the
base
wheels
we sold
a white
with
blue
stripe
for
GT
the guy
who
bought it
best Instagram
the Instagram
account
is called
Lamber
fucking
guine
and then
just quoting
the Instagram
he bought it
sent it
to
Michigan
to the
guy
who
was the
who
what's his
name
who
did the
design
that
the
young guy
who
did the
design
the
four
GT
he
has a shop
where
for special
customers
he's
redoing
the car
the way
he
originally
wanted to
do it
and
Ford
wouldn't
let him
because of
it
prices
were
getting out of
control
it
he painted it
completely
stripped it
painted it
all
white
base
wheels
some
non-functional
events
made functional
and I thought he
was nuts
and it looks
so good
as plain
white
I mean
it looks like
your
ally
are they
made of
metal
where
they made
out of
there
there
I think
some steel
and some
aluminum
I don't
know
for sure
I think so too
I don't think
it's all aluminum
no
no
not
all aluminum
but
I
that's my
guess
because
I think
now
when you see
your
factory
non-stripe
car
it probably
adds
25%
is that
your
answer
Dave
that though
without
I
I know
you guys
because I
saw the car
I think
you probably
I'm sure there's
there's probably
a very
very
very
very
very
that
that
without
the stupid
right
for
right
with the
stripes
and
nice job
slipping
and stupid
a
for eyes
with the
stripes
are definitely
worth more
especially
in the
special
series
cars
but it
is
fasting
because
it
really
so like
the
why is a touring
worth more
than a
GT3
same car
basically
but the touring
is worth
a shit
ton more
and I'm
really
shocked
with the
991.
0.
2
GT3
Tourings are doing now
in resale
300s
are you kidding me
people
what are you
thinking
sorry
maybe I shouldn't
have said that
but there you go
I agree
with I agree
with you on that
why
why why why why
explain to me
why
there's
almost a
$75,000
difference between
what
having a wing
and not
having a wing
and I wonder
if that's
going to carry
true
carry through
this is
this is for you
Paul
to the
new
Corvette
ZR1
X
which
are
which
has
you can get that
with no wings
nothing
50 horsepower
and I wonder
if the
plane
Jane
versus
Kim Kardashian
version
is ultimately
going to be
the more
desirable car
time will tell
no
won't
because the
the guys
who buy those
here we go
to scream
look what
I got
and they're
going to
they're going to
have to have
you know
all of the
stuff
they're
they're a different
buying group
than the
the G
you think
the GT3
buyer is
going to
go get
at a Corvette
because it
does everything
better
on paper
but in the
end they're not
so the same
new balance
jort
wearing
guys
going to
buy it
and order
all the
stupid
wings
and shit
even though
they
can order
that
so we'll
make a difference
it won't
do the
GT3
touring thing
do you have
an opinion
on this
Dave
they'll make it
more rare
maybe
but I don't
know how
the car stays
on the road
without all
the down
force
that that
wing
is going
to require
here
when you're
once you're
going
200 miles
an hour
do you guys
know
it's
going to
drive it
200 miles
an hour
none of
those buyers
are going to
drive it more than
55 to
the car
there's no place
to do it
other than
the track
and that's
1250
to the wheels
that's
not even
crank horsepower
which is incredible
and so the
zero
six
or the
zero one
with
1064
that's
you know
to the wheels
so what's that
actually producing
at the crank
oh
1200
who the hell
knows
it's
incredible
I
think
you know
I know
you guys
don't care
about
you're going to
have one
Tim
we know
we're just
waiting for
the color
choice
all that
you're going to
get one
but I'm not
I'm not going to
pay overage
and I'm not
in a rush
to get it
I don't have room
for it
to be honest
with you
I'm out of
space
but
as far as
it just
that's
it boggles
my mind
I have to
build another
barn
it boggles
my brain
to think
that
I watch something
on
one of these
YouTuber guys
I forget
which one
it was
Doug DeMiro
and Doug
was talking
maybe was
Doug
anyway
he was
yammering
on
about
how
essentially
brands
for younger people
don't mean
anything
like I saw that again
sorry to bring
in real estate
but I saw
nobody cares
what real
real estate
brand you're
with
that people
do business
with the individual
at the end
of the day
and that same
thing is going
to happen
it seems
to be happening
in cars
because
if all
the sudden
the Ferrari
USP
is of being
the fastest
and being
that this
isn't
the other things
and the same
goes through
with Porsche
like Porsche
as long as
they hang on
to the
the end of transmission
they're going
probably be good
but
I really do
think it's
we're
getting to this
point
where
all of the cars
are going to be so
similar
it's going
to come down
to just
I don't
I don't even
know how
you're going
to differentiate
it's
it's
confusing
to me
I
I can't
make my
mind of it
that's
the reason
I think
ultimately
people are
going to
lean back
into the
old cars
that's
the reason
I think
you guys
are positioned
perfectly
because
they're going
to want
something
that's
unique
anyway
sorry for
rambling
you guys
have any
opinions
on that
No
I mean
I hope
you're right
I hope
you're right
I mean
I
mean I
that's older
tell me why
I wouldn't be
right
right
tell me
why
that premise
wouldn't be
right
other than
people some
most
most people
buying
nice cars
aren't
car people
they're just
doing it
for styling
and profiling
right
they don't
really
give a crap
about cars
and to
buy
an old car
you better
have some
tolerance
for old car
things
that's
the only reason
I can think
of why
that wouldn't
be right
I think
personally
what I
feel personally
as a rejection
I was just
offered
a new
Ferrari
849
Testarosa
and
you set aside
your personal
opinions
I'll put some
pictures
up
of what those
cars
look like
for those
of you guys
are
playing
on the
YouTubes
and
you know
maybe you
like it
maybe you
don't
like it
here's a
picture
okay
well
here's a
better
picture
so
I like the other
one better
okay
the other
picture better
are you
well here
you're like
the back
here's
I did
to actually
I think the
back looks
really cool
actually
but
so
that this car
all in
is going to cost
I could check
my tax
this very
texted
me offering it
to me
is going to be
somewhere
with options
probably close
to
seven hundred
thousand
dollars
I could think
of
so many other
things
I'd rather
own
now
well
and multiples
right
honestly
that's
from my
mind
or
yeah
like
I can
build
a garage
of
all of the cars
that I need
to own
I mean
there's a temptation
I still want
a Lamborghini
Countach
and that would
probably
take
almost all the
700
but
if I was
going to buy
one car
I'm an old
car guy
I'd want
a Countach
over the
new flavor
but
I would say
you're right
about
who
were buying
the new
stuff
like the
Ferrari
Testrosa
and some
of these other
brands
I would say
Porsche
buyers
new Porsche
buyers
especially
you know
the GT
product line
I would say
they're different
I say
they are
somewhat
enthusiasts
of course
they've got
their eye on
they think
that they're
their
day traders
they're
going to make
money on it
they're horribly
wrong
it's getting
tighter
and almost
impossible
to do
that
I mean
look at the
the ST
market
you know there's another
I get emails
from a brokers
that try to
spell
sell spots
and the last
email
I got from
this guy
says
there's
he's
able to
secure
any
new 9
11
position
at
no
overage
and even the
overages
on his
GT cars
his
has shrunk
dramatically
like it's
been
it's been
haved
yeah
I mean
so the people
buying
I think
Porsche
has always
been that
weird
unique thing
with new
buyers
I think
um
it is
a nostalgia
thing
a little bit
but it's also
new
Porsche
GT
market buyers
are more
enthusiasts
than
let's say
the
Ferrari
buyer
more
by this
much
honestly
more by
it's
and it's
narrowing
it's narrowing
narrowing
because the
G
like what
Dave's car
is
which is
honestly
I think
it's the
thing of a
cooler car
than a new
GT
3
RS
I mean
you know
for the money
at sticker
not for
what they
sell for
that's cars
ridiculous
for what
the value
you get
relatively
speaking
it's
phenomenal
cool car
that's that
and Dave
it's almost perfect
just should have
heard the hood
paint it
that was
no
I like
that
I
don't
know
gotta go
with the hood
I like
the hood
I can't
can't
you know
but the
if you're
if you're
putting it on
you got
to flaunt it
yeah
exactly
you're
right
but that car
is an
Instagram car
that's
the thing
and I think
Porsche is
going to start
leaning in
big time
to the Instagram
flashy colors
you know
fancy interior
types
because
that's
where the
money's at
so
any of that
let's
move on
I think
I got everything
didn't
not yes
right move on
Resto rods
for less than
500
grand
and then
we originally
started this
out
listeners and
viewers
by sending
Resto mods
for less than
250
grand
but there
actually
aren't that
very
not that
very
not that
many out there
I've turned my
vacuum off
the
thing I did
think was
fascinating
because I did
right
end up
writing
four articles
to the
newsletter
on this
doing it
different price
segments
of Resto mods
looking for
guys that
actually have
track records
of
not just
taking orders for them
but completing them
and delivering them
and then I was looking for
ones that
completed
delivered them
and then they had
to resale
track record
because
and I provided
all this
in the newsletter
so make
sure you guys
subscribe
but the number
of companies
that are
producing
not just
vaporware
Resto Mod 9
11's
worldwide
is extraordinary
yeah
there's a lot
it
I couldn't
believe it
it
there were
at least
20
that
it came up
with
I was using
AI
to search it
and then
I knew of some
others that
it didn't
know about
and then
I said
show me the
complete list
in the list
goes
that are advertising
making
Resto Mod
G-Bodies
in 964's
I mean
technically
Dave
at Sonder
works
you
you're
I'm one
you're one
I'm
low production
though
I'm
very low
volume
low
production
exclusive
very
good
exactly
I got to put
that on
the bumper
sticker
or something
there
exclusive
exactly
but
you know
I think
it's
the reason
for 9 11's
is because
when there's
a consom
there's
an appetite
for them
everyone wants
a singer
on a budget
to some degree
do something
that singer
won't do
and number
two
there
they're
such a great platform
they're
the same
frickin
car
for 35
years
and they
can do
all kinds
of stuff
outside of
the
997
back date
ones
we talked
about
a few
you know
episodes
ago
I don't
understand
that
but
yeah
and
Tim
to your point
I looked
at it
little
differently
which is
there
are ones
that
it's
kind of like
if
you're
gone to Costco
it's
of
of
restomans
where
it's the same
exact product
it just doesn't
have
the
the
Polo horse
or the
or the
Gucci on the
on the collar
you mean
as far as the
rest or
be more
specific
what you're
saying
so
for instance
here's a
perfect example
this one
here's a
73
9 11
T
RS
tribute
it looks
like your
basic
RS
clone
and it's
it's not
a back date
it's a real
73
one of the tricks
I always
look for
you know
the
the first day
I look for
is
look at the
horn
in
Dave
knows this
assembling
these cars
look at the
horn
grill
to the
fender
to the
bumper
to the
hood
like
when I see it
like that
I'm like
okay
this was a
good build
that is
one of the
hardest things
to get
right
and you'll
see him
where they'll
be at this
sort of
goofy
angle
or like
that
you've seen him
Dave
because that
is a
dirt
that
is a
pain in the
ass to get
right
funky
because you
can't get the
the grill
sometimes to fit
correctly either
and you know
based on
if you're doing
a mod
on the fender
or not
you've got to
you know
work the
grill
even to get it
all the
fit
nicely
sometimes
so I
I see this
thing
I'm looking
through it
and I go
oh
look at the
interior
it's not
it's not
crazy
it's sort of
conservative
it looks
like an
older
build
and then
I look at the
engine
and I go
F me
like
and then
I look at the
build
guess who
built this
Jeff Gamroth
Rossport
Rossport
who builds
Gunther work
engines
who builds
Emory engines
who
by the way
builds cars
and
this car
was built
in the
early
2000
that's a
3.8 liter
Motek
engine
it's
I think
it was
dynoed
at the wheels
325
horsepower
275
torque
in a car
that
probably
weighs
2400 pounds
2500 pounds
maybe less
I mean
and
it sold
recently
or no
sorry
it bid
to 203,000
it didn't
sell
I know why
but
it's signal
yellow
it doesn't
have
if this was
built to
an
RSR
body
which
I kind of
don't
like
I like
this
RS
body
if it's
built an
RSR
body
I think
it would have sold
for 250
I think
he wants
250
for it
but my point
being is
this is
buying
a name
brand
that doesn't
have the name
on the
on the
on the
shirt pocket
and you're
getting the same thing
for a fraction
of the price
so that's
kind of like
my Kirkland
brand
take
and I love
the interior
lets that down
that's why
that didn't
go
the interior
lets it down
it's just
two-blane
Jane
and it was
but this car
was built
in like
2002
like
this is how
we were
building hot rods
then
I mean
that's obviously
the way
the car
might have come
in terms
of the
RSR
cards
and
you know
it looks
like
I can't
really tell
because you're
in front
of it
but it looks
like
they're
kind of a
copy of
it's got
the GTS
you know
basic seeds
it's got
yeah
964
RSA
door panels
which was really
common in the early
2000s
well
so let's
pause here
so
we're talking
about
resto rods
right
this is the thing
like
you don't
have to
spend a million
dollars
look
what Paul
just found
for less
than 250
but
if
if you're
spending
you guys
just be
just
you know
it
you're
you got
250,000
as your budget
whatever
which is still
like
when did that
not become
a lot of
money
by the way
hello
right
I mean seriously
this is insane
anyway
over a newer car
would you
honestly
what
well
all day long
all day long
me
I'm not a new
what do you say
newer car
though
what do you mean
like
would you buy that
Paul
you can't
contribute in this
question
would you buy
that
over
because
I know
you're
going to say
would you buy
that over
GT
for
rs
what else
do I have
in my collection
no
no
that
or
GT
for
rs
no
that's
a good
question too
but
let's assume
that
you're just
thing
the same cars
they're basically
you can get a
GT
for
s
for like
less than
200
grand now
like
185
90
grand
that is
a bad
ass car
so that
or
GT
for
rs
and if
it was
the only
car
I could
buy
and
then
I would
buy the
GT
for
rs
same
Paul
you're still
not
participating
and if
Casey
was here
being
Casey
would be
on the
same
team
and I appreciate
the new car
I was
trying to
as you're
asking this
I was
trying to
think of
okay
what
new car
would
would give
me
pause
you know
Porsche
a 911
r
but the
problem is
that's
even
my neighbors
got a
650
I know
I know
my neighbors
got
getting ready
to sell
his
911
r
the first
one to
the US
GT
silver
with all
you know
this
the right
seats
and the
single
mass clutch
he
bought it
with
under
a thousand
miles
he's got
20,000
miles on it
now
and even
that car
which
911
r
I'm guessing
will probably
be somewhere
around
five
right
so
let's
let's
let's take
a half
step back
and let's
talk
about
so
that car
for
225
let's
just say
a
GT
for
RS
for
225
let's say
and
so
if you
present
this to
a hundred
people
who are
just
trying to
spend
225
grand
on a
fun
sports
car
and then
the third
car
oh yes
Paul
is a
Corvette
ZR1
X
or Corvette
ZR1
those are your three
options
to choose one
here's what I'll suggest
if you ask
goodbye
I'm
just doing it
to torture you
you know that
if
if you ask that
a hundred
people
if they had to
choose between
those three
cars
and listeners
and viewers
think of the same
question yourself
if your only
sports car
your daily
is all squared
away
your
kid all your
dog
hard
note
this is it
it's just
for that
one thing
you're going
to grab the key
sport
what would
you choose
and why
they're all going
to choose
the GT for
RS
yeah
just because
it's not that
it's not a great
car
don't get me
wrong
it's just
that it's not
a great car
that I can
see myself
in
it might be
a fabulous car
it's just
doesn't appeal
to me
aesthetically
doesn't appeal
to me
culturally
doesn't appeal
to me
as an
investment
piece
the
for
rs
isn't
probably going
to do
particularly
well
as an
investment
honestly
because
prices
on those
seem to be
coming down
pretty
quickly
right now
from
what I
can see
aside the
money thing
though
because I
agree
yeah
no
but I think the
for
rs
is just
a great
car
I mean
it's
it's
it's a
wonderfully
balanced
great
driving
machine
very different
size
wise
it's not
as big
as
as
the
Corvette
and
and the
vintage
car
it's
my
only
car
if it's
my
only
sports car
I got a
I mean
I'd love to
have the
vintage
car
of course
but if
if the
if the
rules
here
are only
sports car
definitely
for
rs
and here's
the thing
is
I think
if you ask
100 people
that weren't
so
embroiled
in
embroidered
into the
car
world
like
we are
just
average
people
no
one
aspires
to own
a Corvette
in the
sense
that
you're
so
wrong
I mean
maybe a vintage
Corvette
but I think
some percentage
of our audience
is
I think
I think
it's not just
my hatred
of the
cars
and I
you know
my fun
hatred
I like
there are
some
car
Max
he's a
Corvette guy
I like
Max
and I like
his Corvettes
but the
point is
if you ask
100 car
people
you know
would you
rather have
this
old Porsche
the
GT
for
RS
or the
new
Corvette
super
whatever
they're
going to
choose
one or
two of the
Porsches
because
it's
that is
an
aspirational
goal
like
you don't
go like
I work
my whole life
to get
a Corvette
like a
Porsche
and if
and by the way
if you
added
a Ferrari
to the
mix
the Ferrari
would
no matter
which
Ferrari
would be
the one
that
those hundred
non-car
people
in times
shit
on
Ferrari
owners
but
for
owners
do not
shit
on
Porsche
owners
do you
know
this
is
true
there's
are
well
but it's
true
I mean
Port
we didn't
say
they were
dumb
they just
had
bad taste
for
for
for a
people
have
no
problems
with
Porsches
ever
I know
what
most of
my
because they
own them
exactly
they
own them
yeah
that's their
daily
you know
you know
that's their
beater
drive
beater
yeah
but
but
but Porsche
people will
treat it like
they're part of
a cult
cause they are
and they will
say
how
every Porsche
is the
worst thing
ever
and so
you're just
basically
you're a head
kumball
in the Porsche
cult
that's
the bottom
line
that's
right
just come in
grab your
pair of
nikes
and drink
the Kool-Aid
I bet
I would
bet though
Paul
if you looked
at the entire
country
right
of
car
people
that are
even remotely
car
people
that there
are more
people
across America
and I'm not
talking about
on the
coasts
and all that
so I'm talking about
in middle
America
you're
liberal
Bastion
the liberal
Bastions
where you
live
and breathe
they're
choosing the
Corvette
I agree
there are
plenty of
Corvette
people
that would
that's
the car
they've
wanted
their
whole life
do
want
that
Corvette
you just
have
or is it
an F-150
or a
Dooley
bro
you just
haven't got that
already
they have
that already
you know
having
having spent
a lot of time
in Southern
California
I can
tell you
that they're deaf
all those
biases
that he
reflects
are definitely real
they're tangible
but soon
as you go
to Dave's
point
anywhere else
in the country
it doesn't
it isn't like
that
like
it just
isn't
people are
honestly
they're
more open-minded
to different
types of
things
Automotively
and they're
not
they're
less
bias
almost
less
snobby
I would
that's been
my own
personal
experience
boy
I just
slipped a
whole bunch
of insults
in on
Paul
he didn't
catch
any of them
right
Paul
you didn't
you had a
cool
no
he'll
get me back
watch
all right
you
but what happened
you're
you're
914
GT
tribute
that was
kind of cool
you
so
so this
was
this was
kind of
another idea
and
this is
part of the
people
aging out
914
are cool
I've
owned them
they're
great to drive
they're
amazing cars
but
it's
sort of
kind of
like
aging out
and
some of the
hot rods
I think
there's
some good
buys here
so this
was a
914
GT
tribute
it's
like an
RSR
911
version of this
of a
of a
914
it started
life is a
73
it
it looks
tangerine
which I think
would have been cool
I think it's
actually red
and they
colored it
to make it
look tangerine
I'm not a
fan of the
Corvette
style
triple round
our
the
tail lights
on the 914
look cool
these
don't these
look like
I don't
know what they look like
they look like
911
lights
they are
but the
three of them
is too much
and then a
white one
they look like
like
me
when you have
your little
kids Lego
and you're putting
like a Lego
tail light on
egg
just
a little
in there
little peg in there
but besides that
this car had
a 3.2 liter
EFI motor
and
it
I mean look
underneath the car
I mean that is
beautiful
it was beautiful
this was a
I mean we're talking
inside
restraint
not crazy
stupid seats
the original
style seats
it's just
a good looking car
I love
you know do you guys
know why
the bumper
is painted
like that
the front view
has a
bumper
that's
half-golf
blue
and half-black
I had no idea
I thought
that was like
lighting
or something
I didn't realize
on that
no
it's a story
do you know
what that is
Tim
I'm going to keep
my ignorance
to myself
and they should
have
and they should
have done the back
so the idea
was back
when these
were racing
in Le Mans
and GT 914
GTs
want
not only race
but one with
Hurley Haywood
they look the same
and so they would
have different
bumpers
to queue
which car
was out there
on the track
where they were
usually that you would
do the rear
like on a 911
the rear license plate
panel
would be
all one color
you see this back
to like the 73
RSRs
that were
Silver Martini
but they had the
green
or the
orange
almost neon
orange bumpers
so it's a bit
of a homage
to that
which is nerdy
now this car
hammered
no
reserve
not met
on bring
a trailer
for 40 grand
which is
a bargain
it's on the dealer's
website
for 90
my gut feeling
says
if they
get an offer
of 60 grand
they should take it
and run
and that is a
bad-ass car
that
I mean imagine that
and tail the dragon
and
and then
I was
fantastic
the 100%
that
are they
glass flares
or steel flares
I think they're
glass flares
but that's
how the factory
did it
the GT
the GT body kits
were fiberglass
I'm like
Jeff Schwartz
yellow car
that he's
own new
he bought
that car
was converted by
I think
new
because
that was such a
popular option
that
Porsche
couldn't
make
a bunch of
it was like
an M479
or whatever
it was an
option package
so Porsche
just said
to the dealers
here you go
here's all the parts
you build the car
and like
that's what
Jeff Schwartz is
I just think
that that
that flaring of
those fenders
on a 914
just changes
the
total
personality
of that car
in such a
positive way
and then you put
the six
in that thing
and that
I picked one too
Paul
I mean this
was one of
my two
and I don't
want to
skip ahead of
you
but this
is a car
that I
know of
this was car
was built
here in the
area
and
same
same basic
thing
this one's
a 75
I think
yeah
it's a 75
with the same
kind of
motor
I don't have
as many
pictures
as you
do
but
more
purpose
built for
racing
this thing
was
loud
as
get out
you could
not
really
drive this
car
with the builder
here
intended this
to be a
race
but this
car
sold
same kind
of scenario
though
it's
sold
it was
a no
reserve
car
and I think
it got
65
grand
so that's
that's
probably the
right
number
for the
orange
one
you got
there behind
you too
but I just
think
these are
cool as
heck
and I've
we've had
a couple
here
that we've
done
interior
work on
and
I definitely
want to have
one of
these in
my collection
at some point
for sure
and I think
the orange
one would
red
or whatever
crazy as you can
photo
at it
this looked
every picture
I found of it
on the
bring a trailer
ad
looked orange
and
you
and I
if you look
in the door jam
you could see
it's
it's a
weird different
shade
in that picture
and that's
when I started
digging in
I'm like
oh it's a
red car
which is
I think a shame
but
what I like
about this one
is it's
restrained
you got
a badass
motor
EFI
it's going to
make great
power
it's not going
it's going to
have a wide
power range
band
but the interior
looks usable
it's not
because that's the only
like Dave
that's the problem
with 914s
especially older builds
is they just
want to go
full race car
and no one's
tracking these cars
anymore
their Canyon
driving them
so yeah
and the great
who I
like Tim's car
there you go
sorry
have you guys
ever seen
one of these
at any
of the
you know
car events
that
the cam thing
I think
it's me
I forget
what country
it's made in
KAA
KAMM
what
I saw one of these
when we were at
Moda Miami
in
spring of this year
and it was
really badass
and like the
title
the whole car
was carbon fiber
I don't know
if any
that I'm sure
maybe the top
was
you know
steel
but
the whole thing
was CF
the including the
wheels
every damn thing
on it
was
and
it was really
well done
a couple
arts
and craftsy
things on it
that nothing
would dissuade me
if I was interested
in buying
one of those
but that car
and there
was
right now
globally
because
this is
I went down
this rabbit hole
the sake of
basically saving face
with all the 912
owners
who have come
to hate us
because of Paul
but they're
probably
three or
four
maybe
five guys
companies
around the world
that are making
these really
exceptional
912s
and
they're
what
the
460
was the
highest
price
I found
a lot of them
were less than
300,000
250,000
which
I don't know
they must
have
cheaper labor rates
we have
in the United States
I'm sure they do
but really
special looking cars
and a lot of fun
so as far
as like
what you can
get away with
I think
that's kind of
exceptional
and I
and we
I did write a lot
of
so cars if you guys are
interested in it
were you about
say Paul
well say
first of all
UK delivered
but
even the 912 guys
will
will agree with me
and
and Dave will too
they're using
75
76
912 ease
which have to be
truly
the redheaded
stepchild
of
totally 911
silhouette
body
forever
their great donor cars
to go
build this
the only downside is
you can't
register
easily
you can't
register at all
in California
but
I think they're bitching
and
they're
what
half price
of a
total
right
well
I mean
that one looks like
a short
wheelbase car
though
so that's
probably a
legit 912
in a
and this is too
bad case
he's not
what's the
motor
in a
Tim
what are they doing
is it
still a
four cylinder
motor
they're still
four cylinders
and I thought
that was interesting
too
but I
they
you know
talk
the usual
thing
you hear from
912 owners
less weight
faster
you know
the engines
more central
so it's more of
the mid engine
all the usual
things that
they say
which are all
true to some
extent
mm-hmm
that's Paul's
hill to die
on not mine
but yeah
you know
but
but
I thought
the one
amazing
the one
I agree
the one
plus
point
about
is they claim
it weighs
1,675 pounds
think about that
if it's
if that's accurate
that's
that's
I mean
that seems
skinny
skinny
skinny
but
I was trying
to look on
the website
to see
what
so they
mechanical
upgrades
include
capacity
to two
liters
from the original
1.
Fuel injection
individual throttle
bodies
they say
it's making
182 horsepower
which I do believe
but if it is
really a
sub
1700
pound car
that's
going to be
bad
ass
I think
my guess is
if they want
to stay
in business
they're going
to offer
a nine
a six
cylinder option
you know
I just
I
why not
it's
so easy
to put
a six
in there
what's the
cost difference
between
it's money
right
what's the
cost difference
between
building a six
versus building
a
you know
it's huge
three x
well
but you're talking
about a
half a million
car
and let's say
the engine
they're
putting in
there
this
bespoke engine
you know
if you went out
to build it
let's say
it cost
35
40
grand
you know
I think a
Benton
built
hot rod
twin plug
kind of
motor
is about
40 grand
and maybe
a similar
two seven
MFI
motor
which would be
that's
what I
would love to
see in it
a 70 s
motor
be the best
one
higher compression
revs faster
but yeah
but the thing
with these
four cylinders
and like
you guys know
what the displacement
of a modern
formula one
car is
worse
Casey
when I need
them
do you guys
know what the engine
is
I don't
know
it's under
three
liter
isn't it
it's a
1.6
okay
a
six cylinder
right
so the
the tiny
so the point
of it is
is that
the
if you have
a small
four cylinder
that's
revs super
fast
doesn't
weigh
anything
I think
from a
user's
experience
it's not
a six cylinder
but it's
gonna actually
be more
fun
in my opinion
I think
so too
but
and
you know
they are
when they open
that
they're gonna
have to go
yeah
I know
it's a
four cylinder
but it
makes this
like
they're
gonna have to
fix
in
and that
buyer
who's
spending that
money
I don't
care
I have
my
my ego
is fine
just say
I have a
four cylinder
and I do
like the
ethos
of it
I just
think that
down the road
if they're
gonna stay
in business
they're
gonna have clients
saying
hey
I love
what you're
doing
I'll spend
the extra
25 grand
which is
not a big deal
on a
six cylinder
engine
a three
two short
stroke
a
sadly
someone's
gonna
stupidly
say
I want a
three
six
in there
which is
the worst
choice
but
and
if we have
time
I do
want to talk
about this
Mercedes
because
this is
this is
the other
part of
the
Kirkland
plane wrap
label
how do I get
a
resto
mod
without spending
a lot
of money
if you remember
a few shows
ago
I drove
a
three-quarter of
a million
dollar
AMG hammer
it was
badass
that car is
a collector
car
is
a halo
car
and you're
sitting there
like me
going
I love
that car
there's
no way
I would
buy that
but I would
buy it
over the
Tester
Rosa
by the way
given
a choice
but
so this car
was crazy
was
on bring
a trailer
it is
a 1990
Mercedes
300
D
in a
and I think
this was
the original
color
it came in
it was
a dark
blue
with a
Palomino
interior
AMG car
understated
AMG monoblock
wheels
it's got
the
AMG front
spoiler
I didn't have a picture
but it has
the AMG
ducktail
here's the
the kicker
they put a
Toyota
to
GAZ
I don't know
the Toyota
it's a Toyota
super motor
which we know
is robust
and could easily
do a thousand
horsepower
it's detuned
to 400
horsepower
and
if you can see it
in there
they put a
six speed
manual
from a
Nissan
and
it sounds like
the worst
Frankenstein
but I watch
the driving
video
it sounds
so much
like
the car
I just drove
the real
AMG hammer
but it's got
all the turbo
whoosh
noises
but then
he goes and
cruises
put the
window up
and it's
like a
chill
300
E
a little bit
of a sleeper
it's
sold on
bring a trailer
for
31,000
that's a hell
of a good way
yeah exactly
that's a great way
to spend
31
grand
how cool
would that be
a great looking car
as a sleeper
and it's for
and like
the guy talked about
I mean if you want
600 horsepower
not
hard to do
mm-hmm
but
400 horsepower
I would daily
the
F out of that thing
that would be my daily
when you think your dealer
was that a consignment deal
because this is a dealer
right
he's down near
yeah it was
it's the guy in LA
who does
a
PPF stuff
I know he's done them
for Matt Farah
a 405 motoring
I think they're
they're
or they're a club
they're like
maybe a car
club
I guess they're
maybe getting into
the consignment
business
but
I looked at that car
though okay
if I hadn't seen
that
so
Tim
when you're talking about
who I don't know
if I can find
budget
cars
it was hard
it's not that hard
but I
there's a frugal part of me
that just looks
in the
in the bottom basement
bin
I'm the guy going through
the VHS tapes
from the 90s
going like
who a dollar
for Diehard
great
so
I'm
I just
a Christmas movie
by the way
so
yeah
so I
I am
looking through
and bring a trailer
shows what
sold
and I intentionally
don't look at the one of
what's
about to sell
because I just
don't need to
be drawn into another car
because if
this car
I saw before
it sold
ooh
that would have been
and it's
it's literally
a 30 minute drive down
the street
I would have looked at it
but anyway
go look at these cars
and every day
Tim
every day
out of a hundred auctions
I would say
easily find
a couple cars
that sold cheap
I mean
just to give you an example
for today
right before we got
the podcast
there was I don't
if you saw
is a 944
turbo
and eighty
six
or seven
944
turbo
in like
that
brown
Nougat
metallic
with a cool
interior
it
it had like
seventy thousand
miles
it did not
look like a bad car
it sold for
thirteen grand
and I'm sitting there
going
and I'm going
like
you want to go
on a rally
you want to go
do these
vintage
driving events
there you go
and I
and I looked
for
what was the
Achilles
seal
what was wrong
was it a blow
motor
was a salvage
title
I could not find
anything
really damaging
wrong about it
so
Tim
do your
point
I think
on the
converse
when you say
hey
we need to go
pick a one point
five million
dollar car
I'm struggling
I'm like
there's nothing
I like
in one point
five million
like I can't
so
we're
I think we're
just a line
different
to be fair
that car
right there
because
you are essentially
you know
striking as
bargains
and we didn't
really
overly define
what you meant
by that
but bargains
as in
you get to enjoy it
it's going to be fun
but
and so bargains
you would be things
probably that
you could make some
money on
you are not making
any money on
that car
that car's
fully price
of thirty one
grand
so you got it
wrong
the cars
that I own
most of them
came on consignment
and I kept
not because
they were bargains
I paid
retail
I kept
because
I like the
way they drive
and I knew
how they'd fit
my life
I'm addressing
your question
me
your original
question
was to find
bargains
that's the reason
I struggled
with it
truthfully
because most
everything in the
marketplace
seems fully priced
unless
I suppose you're
right
you go to the low
low and
when
but this is the bargain
like
who I really
want an
AMG hammer
after driving
I want
I really
want to
AMG hammer
even
if you find
ones that
were actually
converted by
AMG
the lowest
price
kind of
AMG
true pre-merger
car
you're
really
at
six figures
there's nothing
really
under
six figures
I look at
that going
I can get
an
AMG
kind of
experience
in terms of
looks
and power
on a budget
is it going to be
worth more
in a year
no
five years
no
that car
worth
its current
condition
and it
probably won't
be worth
more
well
I look
is a
budget experience
so where
my mind
went with this
and you guys
saw this
I sent it to you
and if you're
not
if you're
just listening
it's a
maybe one
of you guys
can pull up
the details
from
bring a trailer
this motor
hasn't closed
yet
but this is
a motor
that
had
wasn't it
built by
on dial
it was built
by
and dial
and
and
it's
a
that the
the one
downside
was they
built it
on a
69 T
a
two liter
hold on
so
so Dave
has got
here's my
mind
like
I was
trying to think
how can
full throttle
talk
build
their own
bargain
hot ride
9
11
so this
is what
I came
up with
right now
follow me
on this
I happen
to know
Dave
has got
a really
well restored
69
chassis
right
and I
is it still
there you go
okay
so why
are we
ready to go
there
you go
anybody's
looking for
one
okay
why don't we
take Dave's
chassis
and we do
a full throttle
talk project car
we buy that
motor from
and I don't
where's that thing
and I think
the last time
I looked
it was still
less than
20 grand
it's
it's still
at 18,000
oh my gosh
I mean
so what
to build
that motor
guys
what would
that cost
to build
that motor
right now
50
grand
easy
yeah
right
so if you
can get
that motor
for 25
grand
I don't
know what
Dave's
chassis
is going
to cost
and then
put the rest
of it together
how much
money
you can
have in this
thing
I mean
you say
the motors
25
grand
you get
a 915
or a
901
transmission
a basic interior
right
paint
body
the whole thing
I think
you can get
out
for
80 grand
what do you think
oh
well
the
chassis
I've got
not painted
so that's
going to
cost some
money
well
leave
I like
but
I leave
it the way
do
Tim's
right
leave it
the way
it is
that
sleeper
patina
with that motor
it's not
patina
motor
this thing
has been
this
was a rusty
just
a rusty car
I had this
complete car
so
but I'll
just give you
the story
but that's
ultimately
full
chassis is
just
fantastic
now
the motors
already been
built on the car
well
just
just the
chassis
what's the
chassis
okay
well
I mean
oh god
it's a great
question
I bet you
just the
chassis
is probably
25 grand
okay
dry
dry straight
chassis
it dries
a straight
chassis
yeah
okay
and so
what
this
put the math
together
for the
home
players
right
so
let's say
that
motors
25 grand
and that
motor
by itself
is just
I mean
did
what the hell
right
the so bad
ass
I mean
I have a couple
qualms with it
but I think
25 grand
is what
what it will
sell for
I agree
so
25 grand
there
25
grand
with Dave
Dave
what's
going to
cost
to put
some
you know
decent
paint
on that
car
nothing
you know
not
you
we're not
taking it to
you know
25
grand
10
grand
something like that
10
grand
well
no
is he fixing
so
okay so
10
grand
it's
no rust
okay
yeah
it's done
got to be
it's got to be shot
but if you're
putting good
quality paint
the paint
alone
the cost
on the paints
2500 bucks
just
for
just
for a couple
gallons of
the paint
and stuff
so it's the prep
plus
right
you're going to
be into
any decent
paint job
just
even a straight
paint job
is
$10,000
these days
right
which is
by the way
cheap
if you compare
to where
Paul lives
so
just the record
that's
a little bit
it would be
it would be about
15 grand
here
easy
alright
so
to help
me put this
together
I'm just
again
for the home
players
so we're
looking at
25
for a
chassis
hypothetically
that's done
we're looking for
we're looking at
I'm sure
you know
lights and
doodads
and
manual
the labor
to put it
back to
your
interior
wheels
tires
suspension
it's going to be
a James Bond
gentlemen hot rod
not some
crazy
ass thing
where you're
going to
hate life
after driving
at once
what do you think
I think
I still am
sticking with my promise
so you could
get this done
for
80 grand
you got
to maybe
you got
to hunt
for some
of your parts
you're
going to have to do
some swap
and some horse
trading for
the wheels
you're going to
you're going to put
to sell
what you want
it
well you're
just truly
just to throw
it together
car
Tim
you're probably
well
what I mean
by that
is not
like
not every
part
restored
to
Oh yeah
perfection
right
you know
like
you know
the suspension
in the
trailing arms
and all
that kind
of stuff
you're
not going to
repowder
codom
or you're
not going to
do those
things
you're
putting this car
back together
so it
looks
great on the
outside
interiors
decent
under the car
may not
be beautiful
but a
sweetheart motor
I
I would probably
push a little
higher
and put it together
the actual assembly
part
but I'd probably
go up
around a hundred
would be
I would say
80 to a hundred
depending on
like
for instance
you don't
have to get
you know
well
first of all
I would leave it
especially
was a short
wheelbase
which would be
ideal
I'd leave it
a slab side
so you don't
have flares
yeah
then you go
and buy
like
Campanola
or
Maxi light
deep six
reproductions
oh dude
seven hours
in the back
that thing
for sure
but yeah
you could
you could buy
reproductions
for two grand
for a set of
four
you put
CN thirty six
is on it
you put
reproduction
seats
like decent
ones
you're going to
spend about
twenty five hundred
to three
grand
upholstered
for the pair
you just
lightweight
carpet
hold on
I've done this before
so have you
oh yeah
you know
like headlights
you just put
like the
aftermarket
H fours
you buy reproduction
lenses
you
it's going
to be a car
that you're
going to
drive
like us
to hill
country
rally
and beat
the crap
out of
and you want reliable
that motor
is sexy
and
moving
only problem
with that
motor
Tim
is they
built it
on
arguably
the worst
magnesium
case
the first gen
magnesium
case
the most
porous
and if you
look at it
it's got
twenty hours
on the
motor
but it was
done in
two thousand
eleven
the race
motor
it was
race to
and it was
race
you
here's
funny
did you
watch the video
of the race
I got racing
it
it sounded
amazing
he
was so
slow
that was
the only
plus
I'm watching him
get passed
by
fricking
everyone
like oh he's
kind of like
not really
into it
and then me
as a buyer
the motor
I'm like
no no no
save the
motor
that's what
you
drive
you know
1500
RPM
below the
red
so we
build this
thing
full throttle
talk
we build it
Dave's
shop's
going to
build it
so what's
this
bad boy
worth
if we
put it back
for sale
first
full throttle
talk
you know
homegrown
car
we're
stickers
are on it
well
I mean
you guys
will have to
come up with
the
well
I think
I think in
the end
just based on
what I've
seen in
the market
if we
break even
great
we might make
10
15
percent
our
money
which won't
really cover
the time
and energy
it'll be
a fun
project
really
only think
that's
like a hundred
to
$120,000
car
done
well
screw that
that was
a terrible
idea
let's
move on
but
I like it
but
here's
the thing is
you think
even
Dave and
I is
as dealers
in this
business
that's
our motivation
Dave
he mentioned
with the M 491
I look at it going like
that would be
a fun project
to build
we would
go rip
and do
like
two or
three
rallies
we
we would
be a year
calling
card
for us
for a year
and then
we go sell it
we break
even
and boy
we had fun
and which
is
by the way
the premise
of why
I got in
this business
it wasn't
to make
money
it was just
like
how do I get
to drive
as many
cool things
as possible
and still have
my wallet
intact
at the end
of the day
it just
happened to become
a for
profit
entity
go
thank goodness
for that
yeah
we would be on this
podcast
if that
didn't have
the ball
I mean
but
so
you
are
is your
is that
brown
car
still available
Dave
that
that was
the
McGuire
show car
it is
okay
as I had somebody
fly up
and look at
it
yesterday
they made me
an offer
up
but the buyers
not
ready to
move
on that
money
the salary
me
the salary
main
that's
why
excuse me
yes
that's
what I meant
so that's
still around
$200,000
dollar car
no
I think
it could be
bought for
less than that
we'll go with that
this car
right here
yeah
okay
that
and
IRL
that car
was really
really bad
ass
everyone
loved that car
so
if you're
in
if you were
in the mood
in the market
for something
that's
special
that you
will not
see
and
you know
anything else
like it
I would give
that one
a hard
luck
love that
car
I do
dig that car
I love
the color
to
it looks
so
freaking
good in that
setting
and that
big
ass
warehouse
at
you know
look
to call
it was
awesome
all right
so you
are you guys
am I skipping anything
are we ready
to go on to the next
segment
the last
we're
we're
dapping in
the last
segment here
a little bit
on this
last
I know
I know
I know
well
we did
all over the place
it's all good
we started out
talking about
speedsters today
so this would be
a great way
to round
the bend
on the
today
show
all right
this or
that
with a twist
sold cars
that we found
that were
actually
maybe
underpriced
and I'm
gonna go
first
because I think
that
you guys
might
enjoy
tearing me
to shreds
I
it's
fun
it makes
it
fun
banter
it's
great
to prove
you
wrong
anyway
all right
so
this is
a
where is it
come on
car
or
whatever
you're doing
why are you
taking
so long
there
we go
all right
so this
was a speedster
it was
a 964
speedster
it was
a narrow
body
all the
boxes
checked
and
I don't
know
if you guys
looked at
the
pictures
on cars
and vids
did
you guys
look at
the car
now
I
let
kind of
underline it
and there's
so many
little things
you could have
done to make
this car
look
so much
better
and you
when you guys
get to the
pictures
you'll see
what I'm
talking about
they didn't
even vacuum
out the
damn car
it's just
atrocious
but just
a note
do not photograph
your car
in the
grass
that's
so
ghetto
it's so
yesterday
it's
80s
do not
photograph
your car
in a
grass field
please
look
look someone
drilled the
front bumper
I mean
the all
the things
you're
not
supposed to do
but
in the cars defense
it did have
recent
first of all
it's a speedster
second of all
it's a
driver quality
speedster
which is
kind of
the whole point
of the
damn things
this car
sold for
125
grand
and I did
some searching
on
you know
various
sites
and the
average
for these things
is
180
and I found
many comps
for that car
for
175
185
with obviously
it being
cleaned up
and the
pictures
being
better miles
um
25,000
25
45
45
that's
which is considered
I would say
medium
high
right
well
okay
but again
if you go to
classic
dot
com
and I
include the
link and
home players
we're
going to
include the
links
all of our
links on
the
in the
show notes
and the
uh
you know
articles
but yeah
if you go
and look at the
comps
most of the
comps
are still
40 to
60 grand
over what
that thing
sold for
and by
looking at the
pictures
I think
that car
sold under
value
and if
you put
10 grand
in it
on the
high end
let's
assumes
the wheel
just shut you
can't see
there's
money in
that car
for sure
so
I think
that personally
that car
actually sold
underpriced
comment
mm-hmm
totally agree
yeah
I think
I think
did it
sell
underpriced
by
what you
think is
175
180
is the
benchmark
so
50
60
grand
underpriced
no
I would say
maybe
10
or 15
percent
because
I think
the miles
it's weird
when you get to
these speedsters
you know
you play by
a different game
of miles
it's almost
like the
Ferrari
game of
of the
Odominer
and I
literally
have clients
that
will call
looking
for special
cars
and they
flat
out
will not
consider
an Odominer
on a car
like that
with over
20,000
let alone
40,000
and I'm just
looking at the thing
yeah
here's a 70
the hard
part is
there's a lot
yeah
4,000
mile
one
listed for
270
but then
a 35,000
that's a different
that's
that's Europe
and what
most of them are
in Europe
9,000
mile one
listed for
190
black
black
that one's
a totally different
buyer
different segment
now
I like yours
because
that's the car
that's sort of
liberating
you can go
drive
exactly
that's
why I like to
add it too
and you
you could
drive that car
you put some
money
it
you could do nothing
to it
and
I think
you'd be
sound on that one
and it does
have some
recent major
service on it
125
brand still
a lot of money
but
in the scheme of things
I think
that's a free car
basically
you could drive it
for free
or you could
fix it up
and you could
make some
money out
now
I'll go
I'll go through
my next one
relatively quick
this
I thought
again
this was on
Ryan Friedman
motor cars
this is a
1997 Porsche
911 roof
turbo
RC2
I did not
have a chance
to really
thoroughly
that whether
this was
built by roof
or whether
there's a customer
car
built by roof
but
so
was a customer
I looked at
I looked at
it
it was
it was not
one of the
original
body and
white
or roof
had a bunch
of leftover ones
of these
that they went
within the last 10 years
and built into
the turbo
Rs
and those are
those are
actually
two million
dollar cars
this is someone
who took their
996
993
turbo
the only thing
I could read
from the ad
that was
actually
roof
is roof
built
the motor
they
they redid
the motor
to their
600
horsepower
roof
spec
motor
the rest of the
and I think
the roof
wheels
are original
I think
the badging
and even the
gauges
the seats
were not
roof
seats
I think it was sort of
a
going to your point
this is a budget
you want
you know
the car
that this is supposed
to be
is a two million
dollar car
but if you want
basically
the same experience
on a budget
this is what you get
so I was looking
at this
I think the
color is stunning
it's one of my
favorite Porsche
colors
the car is gorgeous
and I
you're
you're
you're guessing
at some of the
things you said
with regards
to the roof
thing
you're probably
right
but
the
if you compare
that car
Ryan's asking
$500,000
dollars for
and if you compare that
to a singer
okay
and now
just
if you're just
looking at
right
what would you
rather have
and
when I see
that green car
I'm thinking
that that car
it's not
cheap
certainly
but it's also
seems to me
in the scheme
of what people
are paying
for freaking
Porsches nowadays
and actually
might be a bit
of a bargain
here's
here's my challenge
that
if
I like the car
it is the original
color
that forest
green
which is a
was a
I think it was
a color
that Porsche
really picked
as a family
for that nine
it came out
with a 993
it's a really
cool color
I would take
the roof
badge off
I like the
look of it
I like everything
about it
and instead of
marketing it
as
this is the problem
it's
it's like
marketing
a replica
spider
as a
550
spider
and leaving
out the replica
part of it
it is a
993
turbo
that has a
modified
and I don't
think you're
honestly
you've said this
before
and I
disagree with you
if the car
even if
it wasn't
originally
body and white
pulled out the
assembly line
at Porsche
and given a roof
then
if roof
built the car
if roof
hand had
their hands on
whether
it's
whether it's
German roof
or whether
it's roof
in the United States
and then
they say
it's a roof
and they give it
a roof
number
granted
it doesn't have
a roof
then number
I don't see
how that's
any less of
a roof
than if it was
basically built
as a baby
at Porsche
no
I agree with you
but I don't
think that's
what to happen
with this car
I don't either
I don't think
they gave it to roof
and said
go build me
this
I think what they did
was they got
the roof
wheels
they built this
they then
gave the
motor
and I think
the only thing
actually
done
at roof
was just
the motor
so it's like
that vote
it's like
that roof
bug
from last week
that roof
so I'm
reading the
description
here guys
and
what it's
saying is
is that
the
is accompanied
by a roof
certificate
certification
denoted
denoting
it's our
roof
CTR
to
conversion
so it's
almost like
a third party
might have
built it
with roof
parts
wasn't built
by roof
but somebody
else
built it
yeah
okay
and I like
do
don't get me
wrong
Tim
I think it's
I'm not
a huge 993
fan
but I love
993
turbos
and I do
like that car
a lot
my problem
is
is
I think
the ad
is a little
click
baby
misleading
on what it is
and I understand
why they're
doing it
but
I can see
where I
a client of mine
buys this
five years
down the road
they truly
in their mind
believe that
they got this roof
thing
because they're
maybe
a little naive
and then
I get to be
the person
who calls their
baby
what you've had to do
before
I know you've had
many times
and I hate
that
I'm like
uh
this isn't
you know
your old
67
uh
67 s
was a 60
the slate
great car
like
that person
who bought it
at auction
you knew
it was advertised
the way
it was presented
at auction
the auction
house
didn't really disclose
clearly
it was not
numbers matching
which we know
is huge
in the 67 s
world
and then
I get
the client
they give it to me
to sell
and I'm like
hey
this
and she's
mad at me
and I'm like
I had nothing
to do with it
I'm just
you know
don't kill
the messenger
so
this is the
part of the
I love the car
I don't like
how it's
presented
in terms of
the wording
it's
misleading
I don't
disagree with you
it's not
inaccurate
but it is
not
accurate
it's not
inaccurate
but it's
not honest
inaccurate
it's like
it's like
a politician
wrote it is
what you're saying
that was a great
good
good choice
Tim
very good
choice
Dave
what do you got
I have
and under the
bargain category
this kind of
almost speaks to
what we
were talking about
just a couple
seconds ago
now this car
is actually
a 74
back date
RS
kind of replica
car
but I was
shocked at
the price
on this car
I mean
this is
one of the
it's
it's kind of
built
as a little bit
of a budget
you can
tell
it wasn't
built like
a super
duper
hot rod
it's a
74
that's got a
three-liter
motor
looks to be
just a
stock
three-liter
that was
put in the car
came out of
a target
I guess
but
that's a nice
pairing
with this particular
car
you know
nothing crazy
it
this currently
sold
for
$84,000
and I don't
you sure
can't
build it
for that
I mean
I like
the color
it's a
it's a sweet
car
I can kind of
tell why
it didn't go
meaning just
the way
it's sort of
presented
but it's got
what it looks
to me to be
I can't tell
if they're
copies
but the one
picture that I did
have here
those look
to be
potentially
original
they're not
they're not
they're not
those are
the reproduction
yeah
are they
yeah
I couldn't tell
by looking at the
you have to assume
they are
based on what
it's sold
for
because
even if those
were
like
you know
let's say
early 70s
sports seat
no
those wouldn't
be early
70s
sports seats
because there's
no headdress
those seats
would be
15
20 grand
they
would be
but
sometimes
you never know
people
I think
when it comes
to buying cars
they don't
think about
the seats
they don't think
about what's
inside the car
they just assume
oh it's got
seats
okay
great
and they don't realize
the difference
between sports
seats
and vintage
sports
seats
and what
the
you know
original
ones
are
I couldn't
tell
definitely
they
they could be
a set of
a set from
gts
classics
or one
of the other
this stuff
is great
his
his
seat
is
a fantastic
yeah
yeah
yeah
but
cool
cool motor
but I was just
I thought
this was
a bargain
I think
the 15 inch
wheels
hurt this car
a little bit
the yellow
frickin
wires
come on
now
I mean
the
yeah
the stance
just doesn't
get it
to me
for me
the
the 968
turbo
or 968
club sport
steering wheel
wasn't great
yeah
it's funny
Dave
you pick this
because I
I
almost came this close
to pick
picking it
and they used a
three
leader
with the
carbure
I think
there's so
many little
tiny things
that
add up
to a big thing
which
you know
but Dave
you thought
that was
a bargain
right
to build this
I mean
what it would cost
to
whether or not
that's just
a stock
three-liter
motor
or not
that's still
going to be
you know
$25,000
to rebuild
that motor
to get it
into that
appearance
as well
I mean
it's
it's
wasn't
just thrown
back together
they spent
some time
to make
this car
look
nice
too
I think
it's well-built
and I think
it was
it was a
bargain
I would have
thought
this car
would be
if you put
16's
on it
change the stance
a little bit
maybe
get rid of the
yellow
plug wires
and some of the
the other
hokey stuff
yeah
I think
this would have been
over a hundred
thousand dollar
car
another free car
2125
yeah
because the stuff
you just
rattled off
is nickel
and dimes
in the scheme
of things
to get right
yeah
so
okay
I agree
with you
that looks
like a really
good
a hundred percent
and that color
is freaking
awesome
it's
I agree
Viper green
is that
Viper
Emerald Green
same
same color
yeah
beautiful
yeah
yeah
and you had
another one
too
which I really
did
this
this one
we all chose
this one
this one was
yeah
come on
man
oh
I said
GTS
a 94
GTS
928
for those of you
who aren't
looking
on the screen
here
but it's
you know
this car
had
I want to say
54,000
miles
on it
hang on
I'm trying to
find it
here
and my
listing
there we go
um
midnight
blue metallic
which
I
was a
993
color
primarily
but I
just think
it looks
unbelievably
cool
on this
928
it's just
68
68
thousand miles
68 thousand miles
that was
68
okay
but
you know
that
it'll
for
for
and it was
a Canadian
car
so I know
that's
probably
what
held it back
but this
car
was on
P car
market
and an automatic
yeah
it's
true
like
you and I
have discussed
many times
Paul
there's
times when
you just
want to get
in
one
and go
right
I mean
mine's
an automatic
as well
my
my
89
um
and I think
that's just
cool
I don't
honestly
think that
the manuals
on these cars
and
and I've only
driven
early manuals
not late manuals
but I didn't
I don't think
the manuals
on these cars
are particularly
fun to drive
personally
I agree
I'm
trying to remember
wasn't the
manual
in the
928
didn't have
something to do
with the
Mercedes
manual
to
know
yeah
three
well the automatic
automatic
automatic is
the four speed
automatic
is a
Mercedes
automatic
but the manual
in these
are
dog leg
they're a
get
track dog leg
and they have
to be
the longest
throws
I mean
it's like
Volkswagen
bus
and
even I've talked about this
everyone goes
loses their
shit over the
fact that
they're
manual
and
if you want
a manual
Porsche
experience
I'm
sorry
the 928
is not
it
yeah
but a
GTS
928
for
45
grand
you guys
a bargain
you guys
remember
this
was
new
yeah
the only thing
I saw holding
that car back
and the pictures
were
great
I would say
the platform
P car
market
may not
have been
quite
right
and I also
think
that was Canadian car
also
the reason
it was
held back
Dave was
it
in the US
back
but you had to
get the car
into the
country
but you
won't have to
pay
talk
you won't have to
pay
a tariff
on it
again
because
it was
us
originally
right
and I would
say
the
the biggest
thing
is
I think
there was
these motors
can be
very
expensive
to maintain
I think
there was
a question
about
the timing belt
and here's
the funny thing
is
timing belts
and these cars
can go
really
a long time
you know
we're talking
10
is it a rubber belt
yep
on a I think
on a production
car is
a belt
part of the reason
I have an
84
928
is it's
one of the
few years
that's a
non-interference
motor
so if the belt
breaks
because I'm
an idiot
I don't
lose the engine
I'm
stranded
granted
but like
go do
a
net
but the problem
is like
people for these
auctions
will go
oh I did
a timing belt
in the water
pump
and that's
it
but the real
thing
to do
is
you've got
to actually
put in the
pensioners
and tensioners
or the
and do that
hold on
and then
is every
four years
you have to actually
go and check
the tightening
of the tensioners
which
I do
because
I want to be
stranded on a
rally
944
it's got
an interference
cylinder head
right
yes
yeah
that's
I thought
I think
which
which
Porsches
which
a transactual
cars
did not
have an
interference
cylinder head
just
just the
928
s is
the
80s
and so for the
home players
didn't
the early cars
to fault
that weren't
the original
928
78
79
the 80
we're not
interference
basically the
pistons
in the head
had this
untimely
relationship
yeah
exactly
with
basically
ruined a
motor
not
net
you
hopefully not
the entire
motor
depending on
how fast
it was
spinning at
the time
when the
belt broke
but
not a
good scene
so that
that car
was a
good
by
I
I thought
so
I looked at
that going
man
I'm so
deep into
my car
and I
would love
that
the problem
is
my little
word of advice
you buy
an old
or Porsche
like a 911
you budget
10 to 15%
of the purchase
price
a quote
unquote
done car
you budget
that for
the first year
and that's
just maintenance
and normal
stuff
you buy
a 928
you bump
that up to
50 to
100%
of the purchase
price
in the
first
absolutely
and people
do not
get that
they don't
get it
but once you're done
it's a
it's a
great car
944
though too
right
I mean
a cheap
944
will be
the most
expensive
Porsche
you
ever
buy
I had a guy
who's
who's
pinging me
who
was
an
off of pictures
for this 944
looks really
nice
and I'm looking
at the
pictures
going
oh my
God
this
don't
buy it
if you
really
eyes on it
do not
buy this car
I mean
here's real
math
with my night
I have an
88
944
Turbo S
I bought it
five years
ago
with
119
1000 miles
from a good friend
who wanted me
to consign
it
and I'm like
no
I'm just
going to buy it
and
he bought it
in 2015
on bring
a trailer
for
15 grand
he ended
up spending
15 grand
which is why I bought it
from him
doing all the stuff
you got to do
to a transaxle
car
you know
the
the drive
shaft
and the
major service
you name it
some of it
was just
making
it look
pretty
I buy it
with
119
1000
miles
five years
ago
for
21
grand
and actually
was supposed to be
25
grand
but his neighbor
when
he was taking
photos
backed up
into the corner
and he just
didn't
want to deal with it
so he
knocked
for grand
off
it cost me
900
bucks
to fix
20,000
miles on it
driving
and snow
and rallies
and all
over the place
and I have
put in
guess how much
15
grand
so
it's
I would say
944
purchase
for sure
you're
budget
100%
of the purchase
price
but you're
not getting the
money back
if you did
that
now
if you did
that
air cooled
Porsche
you have a chance
of getting
your money back
actually
right
that's it
that's a huge
difference
something for
everyone to consider
if you're
wanting to go
down
this road
but if I went to
sell that
today
worse
it would sell
for what
I paid
it would sell
for what I paid
for it
yeah
probably around
20 grand
and my
15 grand
or 18
grand
is
my cost of
fun
you know
it's just
it's my
tax
to go
have
fun
and look
I put
20,000
miles on
right
speaking of fun
I did
find this
I'll just
do this
really quick
I
know
Paul
you've got
you've got
some cool
cars
present
I don't know
if you guys
saw that
now I'm
gonna go back
to my
I'm gonna go back
to my premise
that we need to
do a full
throttle
talk
you know
rest
dough
mod
challenge
build
off
whatever
the hell
it is
right
so
that car
and
I
just
pains me
to say
this
was
electrified
it was
a 9
12
it was
a 9
12
there's
electrified
but
okay
now we're
dealing
with
paint
and body
done
interior
done
I don't
know what
you're
gonna have to do
basically
put it
I send
and back
into it
let alone
a transmission
let alone
all the other
toned
electric
electric
wiring
wiring
wiring
I will
that sold
for 60
grand
so maybe
you guys
you're
proving
out my
math
wouldn't
make
sense
on that
one
either
it
depends
how much
the Tesla
motors
worth
I mean
I don't
know what
to use
market
maybe
there's
a bunch of
other guys
building
hot rods
and
and the
Tesla
motors
like
the
and dial
of
well
but
there's guys
putting
Tesla motors
in
not
Porsches
they're
putting them
in
all kinds
of other things
sure
I don't
know what
the value of
those I know they're
expensive
they're
they're
kind of
the
the best
motors
to buy
in the
market
but
I mean
when I look at
that car
I feel sorry
for it
when you see
the hood
you're just
like
okay
what
is that
a
fiberglass
front
end
for sure
the favorite
fiber
fiberglass
flares
did
even bought
did
they do
the
rears
and fiberglass
also
and then
they got the
I remember
that car
weight
he weighed
it
with the motor
and with all
the electronic
you know
do dad's
and it weighed
like virtually
nothing for
what the horsepower was
and there's a driving
video of him
driving it
and he's not
driving it
very hard
but looks
like it
wants to do
a wheelie
I'm looking at
the other pictures
the door
fits like
crap
and it's
so sad
you look at
the back end
picture
and it looks
like
a
60s
aluminum
Coleman
cooler
hanging out
from underneath
the car
it is
it is
it's
so
it's so
it's so
it's so
horrible
I
okay
horrible
well I
but don't forget
you're going to go
turn this car
into hot rod
he's
gussed it
in this
full
roll cage
do you know
what that's
going to be
like
cutting
that
frickin cage
out of that
car
you know
what
$60,000
God bless
him
like
that is
a big
money
I think
for that
like
well the guy's
probably
just going to
take it
and drive it
as it is
right
I mean
it's
it's kind of
cool
but the
range
is
got to be
terrible
well
there's got to be
zero range
you guys
touch on something
that we
none of us
know anything
about
the whole
under
you know
underbelly of
that thing
with the Tesla stuff
actually might be worth
a hell of a lot
more than we
think
you know
what's my
point is
I don't know
what that
might be the
dummies
here
you know
honestly
but on this
note of
your car
did you
see that
BMW
2002
it closed
yesterday
I did
with that
software
it
it
no
he did not
hit the
reserve
at
120
grand
you know
what
you know what
today
it was a
really beautiful
golf
yellow
yeah
early
I didn't see it
round
I think
it was a
round
tail light
2002
BMW
that they
did a
quarter million
dollar
electrification
build
much better
executed
than this
the green
thing
it was
really
high
end
but like
the end of
the day
like
I understand
doing
electrifying
a
old
60s
Volkswagen
bus
that
motor
wasn't
great
there's
nothing
in
but the
2002
part of
the experience
is this
really
cool
M10
four-cylinder
hot rod
and there's
so many
cool motors
you could
put in
that car
so
I'm against
electrifying
a car
that you're
getting rid of
the
thing that
makes the car
so
charming
same thing
with the
911
if you
want to go
take
I mean
I have a
Citroen
SM
with that
Maserati
motor
honk
a shit
that motor
that car
was not
about that
motor
that car
was about
the
suspension
what we're
not
taken to
consideration
and
is that
first of all
the
2002
was
if I
remember correctly
was
built in
Germany
by
Germans
and was
like
a German
show car
the whole thing
so you
know
that thing
as bad
ass
but there
are probably
a lot of places
in the world
would people
would love to
have that
M10
2002
experience
but they
get
taxed
to
hell
or they're
just simply
not allowed
to have it
and
all over
the world
all these
very
you know
green governments
if essentially
mandated
EV
type things
so
could very
well be
that that car
makes perfect
sense for somebody
I agree
but don't
auction
off in a
U.S.
auction
go
auction
off and
collecting cars
in the UK
like
if you
live in
downtown
London
that car
makes a lot
of sense
that goes left-hand
drive
and the car
was in the States
already
so
right you know
just for
what it's worth
listeners
that you
got to subscribe
the newsletter
because
it the
the amount of time
in education
that I was able
to garner
from doing
all this research
in these
rest of
mods
it really
is badass
one of the articles
that I wrote
was about
the
rest of mods
less than
five hundred
thousand dollars
and then
less than a million
that hold
their value
lose value
or gain in
value
and
if you guys
had to
guess
if of all these
nice rest of mods
you know about
alcohol
that you can come to
mine
if we remove
singer
what
how many of those
do you think
hold value
let alone
increase in
value
very few
if any
very few
exactly
I was really
shocked by that
honestly
I didn't know
that
that's something
that people
don't talk
about
these cars
are depreciating
so
all right
and they're good
yeah they're good
I mean
you look at
some of the alpha
I had a client
by an alcoholic
and drive
fly back
East
and drive it
with him
and his wife
back
across country
and I think
that car
was a well
into the six
figure build
and he got
for about
half off
that's incredible
yep
cool car
that's the way
to go
so you have
some interesting
cars
so your
yeah
as you know
I'm not
a huge convertible
fan
but I think
when people go
ooh
there's no way
to get a bargain
in the market
I'm not saying
this is your
forever car
but I think
if you start
off in the
Porsche world
getting something
that you
may not
exactly
want
I've driven
GT
this is
a 2012
end of the
997.2
analog era
it's a
GTS
6 speed manual
that outside of a
GT 3
is the
halo car
if this
it's black
on black
it had
44,000 miles
which I would call
medium
to medium
high
it's
there's nothing
really
it's just
a very
basic build
it was kind of
a low msrp
but it has a center
locks
it was a
112
msrp
but it was
a cabriolet
it hammered
on bring a trailer
for $83,000
without fees
if
now
it had one strike
against it
it had an accident
on car facts
but
and this is
this car
would have been
much better
and not
on an
auction platform
like if I had
this car
you can present it
in a way
that doesn't
let the
peanut gallery
everyone
used to see
the closing
comments
oh
accident
you know
I'm out
here's what it was
this was before
car facts
delineated
between accident
and damage
something hit the
door
and it
dented it
hard enough
that they
didn't even
have to paint
the whole door
they had to
clear the whole
door
but they had to
do some
touch up
blending
other than that
original paint
really well-serviced
if this didn't
have the accident
and I had a
hard top roof
it would have been
130 grand
and now
is this going to
have future
value
they made
so few
gts
manuals
I just think
this car
today
if someone
if it hadn't
been an
auction
had been presented
properly
in it
in
like
if I was
going to
sell this
I think
I would have
got
about
20 grand
more
for the car
I agree
and I'll
tell you
what's even worse
is that car
anytime
that goes
for sale
again
bring a trailer
and that car
has got it
basically a
Damoclean
sword
hanging over it
forever
forever
yeah
I mean
I get this
once a week
someone says
hey
can you sell my car
and I
I always ask him
for the
VIN number
and the first
thing I do
is check the VIN
and if it's
been on
bring a trailer
within the last year
or two
I'm generally
out on that
oh by the way
that was the other
thing
this had
what I call
the bring a trailer
or auction
it will call
the auction
anchor
it was
on bring a trailer
three years
really poorly
and it
bid to
82,000
sold for
82,000
so no matter
how nicely
this is presented
or how much
it's cleaned up
it is forever
got this
anchor
because human nature
says
oh I don't want to
be the one
who overpaid
even though
the market's
different
and that's
the problem
I have
and one of the reasons
I shy away
from auction cars
and I
if you look
at my cars
I list
I keep the VIN
private
I want those cars
when they're sold
and gone
to protect
not only myself
and the seller
but the buyer
I want that car
to disappear
because
when they're ready
to sell it
in five years
I want it
to be
a fresh car
you had that
same opinion
Dave
is that your approach
Lee
I
I
mask the
VIN number
on
or a
for a partial
VIN number
up
when I'm
posting a car
for that reason
you know
you just
don't want to have
the
the whole
total legacy
of this car
like
out in the
public
all the buyers
all the owners
somebody that
wants the car
will look up
the VIN
of course
and that's
great
to it too though
if you had
a really nice
car
it was on
bring a trailer
and people
went apeshit
for it
like that
TR2
we bought
people
just love
that thing
you know
and then
that's
going to be
lending
well to its
history
but
the probability
of having
a bad
experience
with some
of the
commenters
especially
let's be
honest
with the old
Longhood 9
11s
oh my God
I don't
know
if there's
what the
hell
how do
those guys
know
all that
shit
it's incredible
the only thing
the only thing
that's
comparably
as bad
is the C2 Corvette
listings
I
I'm not familiar
but I'll take you
right for it
yeah
with the Longhood guys
from like
the early 9
11s
registry
are fantastic resources
when you're
trying to restore
a car
but oh my
gosh
if you don't
get everything
exactly right
they're going
to let you know
and God bless
them for it
and to the
listener
you know
when you
there are some
cases
where an
auction
really
makes
sense
but it's
gotten to the point
where you're
foolish
not
to hire
a professional
kind of
to do it
it's like
listening
yeah
I agree
it's
it's worth
10%
if
because
if you
like
you've seen
auctions
on
bat
and all these
other
sites
go
south
because the
seller
took
too
long
to
respond
or this
seller
didn't
communicate
well
or just
wasn't
like
they're
getting a
tap
because
they
they
didn't
know how to
handle
the
right
yeah
they
so we
didn't
know how to
stop
and
fire back
at somebody
and
their ego
got worked
up
and then
they
all these
they come on
like a
pack of
freaking wolves
and shred
them
even at the car
like
yeah
I mean the
GTS
cab
when you look
at the
so
to go back to
every day
I look
through the
bring a trailer
what sold
anything
that's in my
wheelhouse
that I'm
dealing with
selling
Porsches
mostly
I'll look
and see
what
you know
go to the
auction
I'll look
for
just the
highlights
but then
I'll look at
the closing
comments
what are
the
what are
the peanut
gallery
think
in that
in this
GTS
cab
the number
one thing
was
the seller
was absentee
they just left
the building
and
and
they didn't do
a DME
they didn't
they just
sort of
thought the
thing would
you know
I love it
it'll
sell itself
you know
if they
wouldn't
the first
time they
look at it
and test
drive it
they'll
have to
have it
and
Tim
we all know
and Dave
80%
of my buyers
I never
get to see
I mean
our communications
email
that sounds
really nice
honestly
that's a blessing
let's be honest
let's move on
this next one
because actually
I was going
to use this one
as my example
because this
one was
really fascinating
go ahead
Oh the
mine the
89 turbo
yes sir
okay
so this is an
89
930
Cabriolet
turbo
they made
so few of these
and
89s
of the only ones
with the
five speed
that everyone
loves
leather
conversation
I think
they're overrated
doesn't
really matter
this one
had
50,000
miles
you think
that you
50
and the
89s
overrated
not the cars
that's
what you
meant
correct
just the transmission
I love the cars
this one
is called
medium
ish
for collector
grade
medium
I
it's Baltic
blue
which
if you look
up Baltic
blue
was pretty
much an
89
only color
you
saw it
on
89 speed
stars
you
saw it
on
even on
964s
it sold
for bring
on bring
a trailer
just recently
for
$110,000
the things
that held it
back
the listing
was
mediocre
at best
I mean
I try
to find
an interior
shot
that shows
me
with the steering
wheel
that was the best
shot
I could get
and they actually
look like
they spent
money
and they
they made
that leather
nicer
it's kind of
got the drape
leather
or it's just
it's got the piping
it's kind of
a cool spec
but my problem
with this
car
this
the photos
in general
were kind of
meh
it had
BBS
period
wheels
on the car
which
by the way
those wheels
are worth
good money
separate
because there's
I think
sevens
and nines
but if
I were selling it
I would have put
reproduction
maxi lights
because the nines
are ridiculously
expensive
let someone else
do that
so at least
looks right
I would have
definitely
cleaned it up
but here's
going back
to what I
mentioned
in 2019
it had sold
previously
and it became
another one
of those
auction
anchors
it sold
in 2000
it bit
in 2019
to
89
grand
and didn't sell
and I think
that
also
kind of
held it back
this car
I think in the
long run
that is going to
be a good buy
a cool color
89
turbo cab
it'll never
be the
price of a
coupe
but I think
you clean this
car up
and in five
years
you roll it
through
gooding
at Monterey
I think
I
picture that
thing doing
a 150
to
175
well he won't
take it
in Monterey
but it would be
a gooding
auction
not in Monterey
yeah
I mean
probably Florida
you know
Amelia
or what
not
or Moda
though
exactly
but that
that cars
what do you think
Dave
I would say
I love the color
great car
I do think
it's
you know
as you look
it over
and you're
looking at
all the details
of the car
it's a little rough
and ready
and a few spots
definitely
but
but the interior
the
at least
the pictures
I could piece
together
from the interior
I thought
look pretty
pretty clean
pretty decent
right
I mean
not bad at all
and
you know
I don't know
I look
at that car
and
if it was a
coupe
what would it be
what would that
have been
180
oh right
oh I think
actually
if it was
the right wheels
were on it
and the presentation
was better
I would say
it had a shot
and it hadn't been on
bring a trailer
already
it wasn't an anchor
I have a shot
I think it would
had a really good
shot of getting
to 200
really
89
89 manuals
are
yeah
89
five-speed turbos
I forgot
they made a couple
hundreds
I think you actually
may have won
our little challenge
here to be honest
with you
because
that car
I think is the one
that
has the most
overall
long-term
you know
bargain potential
at least things
that
you know
we're underpriced
you know
really
that car
for 110 grand
it's just
I just don't like
I don't like
it's a cab
it's that's
the only thing for me
I mean
I have own
cabs
I mean
they're like
targets
you don't like
cabs
that's funny
but Dave
well I
I do
I totally feel like
I like a target
way better
than a cab
I
of the three
of you
I hate
cabs
I detest
cabs
and I detest
cabs
on a 9-11
because
they look stupid
without a quarter
window
they look like
just
they look like
a frickin tent
they look horrible
look how saggy
that is
they'll never
look good
they look
and then
when you put
them down
they look like
a barbie
Volkswagen
with this
wing
tonneau
cover over
they are
carrying around
some shit
for a
decades
bro
they know
I wasn't
hugged enough
a 30 year old
shit
this is like
by people
who own
cabs
he says
there's a thing
about it
complaints
but here's
the thing
about it
I look at it
going
what I like
and what I don't
like
from a
resell
standpoint
I don't
it doesn't
matter what I
I'm probably
in the minority
most of the time
it's just what I like
and don't
like
but I look at that
going
there is money
on the table
Oh yeah
there's some things
that I don't know
if the
the previous auction
the fact
you can Google
the Vin
and see
all the shit
that's probably
the worst
part
about this
not the actual car
and I look at that
going
man
you put enough
time and distance
and you put it
in an auctions
an in-person
auction setting
or something
where the Vin
is not
going to be
Google by
the things
there's money
on the table
do you remember
when all the
Porsches
this is back
when you and I
originally
met Paul
we're being shipped
back to Europe
so you
we go up to
car week
were you
were you in the
direct dealership
business then
Dave
this one
and then back
in like
07
08
actually before
that
shit
this is back
in the early
2000s
it should be
2007
8 9
10
yeah
the Germans
you'd go to
a car week
or ever
and it was
walled
wall
freaking Germans
and they were
buying
everything
you know
and you go to
all the restoration
shops
in Southern
California
and you'd be
tripping over
Europeans coming
and going
that we're just
buying up
incomplete
projects
it was crazy
before 2012
or 13
that's when
the prices
went up
two things
happened
Americans
were paying
more for
these cars
than ever
before
and the
the
Euro
got really
strong
yep
I don't know
what was it
like a hundred
like a
140
to
right
and
over 40%
of anything
we had
that was
30 years
older
older
went to
it was
like
go drive it
down to
the port
it's
going to
Rotterdam
they're going to
Rotterdam
that they were
and some
people took
pictures
all these
old cars
just lined up
to be put
on the crates
to be put
on ships
to be shipped
off to Germany
it was extraordinary
and now
over time
this cars
came back
a lot of
back
yeah well
well
for instance
the
we just
sold that
88
Lagoon Green
Targa
yeah
if you saw that
bitch in color
California
great color
then it's
spent its life
with the same owner
who was a
designer
for tennis shoes
the guy
moved to Georgia
took the car
with him
went to Florida
to go with him
went to Texas
to go with him
2016
it lives
in Germany
for five years
and now
it's back here
in Southern
California
going back to Florida
well
I bet you
the US
original US
cars are
going to actually
have their
heyday
because of the
whole tariff
thing
because the
tariff
things
not going away
you know
so they can
bring up
if so
if it's a
US car
originally
Europe
right
originally to Europe
it can come back
you're just
paying shipping
insurance
no tariff
right
so my motor
for the
550
tribute
right
was a
four cam
547
it was built new
none of the
parts
was built in
Denmark
and so
I had
frickin
past
$60,000
tariff
surprise
surprise
I missed it
by
four days
so
I had to pay
$60,000
tariff
and I
brought that
in
so I've got
260
grand in that
four cam
motor
true story
right
but
my friend
at
who had
a
Jaguar
D
type
at
Pebble
Beach
also
was bringing
over
are bringing
back
some
parts
for that
D type
and because
the car
was originally
in the
United States
back in the
the 50s
he had
no tariffs
on all the
things
he was
bringing back
interesting
yeah
it's crazy
anyway
so there's
the market
someone can
go over there
find all the
U.S.
deliver cars
and put them on
containers
bring them back
maybe
business model
reverse
gray market
we'll have to
think of a
name for it
well
guys
I think we're
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thought
25,000
more than that
Oh
yeah
Orange County
region's
over a thousand
so
hundred and
60,000
holy
cat
yeah
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might be international
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this wrong
was listening
to PCI's podcast
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a hundred
be international
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there's
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Porsche
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About this episode
Exploring the world of restomods, this episode dives into unique automotive news, including Ford's new venture selling used cars on Amazon and a dramatic FBI case involving a rare CLK-GTR. The hosts share their experiences with project cars, discuss the value of classic Porsches, and debate the merits of various models. They also highlight underpriced vehicles and the importance of presentation in auctions. With insights on upcoming automotive events and personal anecdotes, this episode is packed with engaging discussions for car enthusiasts.
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This week on Full Throttle Talk, we’re covering everything from restomods under $500K to Amazon entering the auto market, plus the wild FBI seizure of a 1-of-6 Mercedes CLK-GTR Roadster worth $13M.
We also brought the This or That: Underpriced Edition, where we dug up real auction sales that were shockingly low — including 964 Speedsters, 997.2 GTS Cabs, 928 GTS unicorns, and more.
Also inside:• What we drove this week• Porsche 914 GT builds worth buying• Kamm 912c deep dive• 964 GS Manufaktur restomod• Smart Crossblade madness• Undervalued collector cars from BaT, PCar, and Cars & Bids
Perfect for Porsche fans, car collectors, market watchers, and anyone who loves the hunt for undervalued metal.
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