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Just ahead, we talked to our buddy Richard Tomlin about his 68 Road Runner, the family
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project car and the story behind it.
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Also, I'll give you my thoughts on driving the Alfa Romeo tonally, and Jeff has the
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motor minute in this segment of the In-Wheel Time car talk show.
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All right, let's get right to it.
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Shall we, Richard Tomlin?
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Richard, good morning.
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It's been a while since we talked.
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We tried to talk to you last weekend, didn't work out.
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We got it all fixed this week, and it's good to see you again, my friend.
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Good morning, guys.
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Well, good morning to you.
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So, just so everybody is on the same page, and we really kind of get a little bit of background
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here, Richard inherited his father's one owner, Roadrunner, when his father died in the Oklahoma
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And, Richard, I did not know that.
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We're going to get that in a minute.
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After seeing it in the corner of the shop, we approached Richard a few times about
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the story, but he always seemed reluctant to talk about it.
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Now, his plan is to revive the Roadrunner, take it to SEMA in November.
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70, seven days away.
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Yeah, and then PRI in December, and then tackle Pikes Peak Hill Climb Next June, all with
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So, yeah, the car's been staying for a while, but Pikes Peak this year, I was sitting
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with a customer talking about building their new car for this year, and they wanted to build
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Great car, but $80,000 plus dollars, and you want us to cut it up, turn it into a race
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And I said, well, why don't you build something cool that not everybody has, something older,
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you know, vintage, and let's go up there and race and have a good time.
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And he says, well, there's nothing I can afford that I would build.
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I was like, well, what does that mean?
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What would you build?
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And he's like, why build what my father and I had, which was a 660 roadrunner.
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And I'm like, well, a year ago on a 680 roadrunner, guess who else has one of those?
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You know, I have one of those.
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And so his father passed while he was on the starting line at Pikes Peak three years
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So it's become a legacy project is the easiest way to put it.
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Well, I did not know that about your father.
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So that was, was that back in the 90s?
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He's a special agent for the Department of Transportation.
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So he dealt with semis and regulations there.
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But yeah, fourth floor right above the truck.
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He was the third to last person found in that event.
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But so he raised, I mean, since I was a kid, the car was always a race card.
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They drove into the hospital when I was born.
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It's just always been around.
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Some people are going to roll over, absolutely lose their minds when they see what we're
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We're doing what they call a body swap.
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So another Pikes Peak customer friend kindly donated a 2015 NASCAR truck running and driving
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And we have taken the body off of it.
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We've taken most of the cage structure off and we're going to body swap the roadrunner
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And then apex is going to do what we do best, which is create a custom fab cage
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that will tie the NASCAR structure together with the roadrunner.
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And we will send it up the mountain with all 830 horsepower at the wheels.
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And so now has the body been welded together or something?
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I mean, how do you use body swap?
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Your butt cheeks better be welded together.
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So the roadrunner is a unibody.
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So that makes it, in my mind, a little bit easier.
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Everybody says it makes it more difficult, but I think it's easier.
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We've spent the last two weeks clearing the chassis.
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So the NASCAR truck is just a 2x4 box frame, like an old C-10 truck would be.
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They use the old truck arm suspension and we've basically cleared off every bar, every notch
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We'll grind it smooth today, paint it white, then it will go outside.
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We'll bring the roadrunner inside, drop all the suspension on it, and then start
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lowering and cutting, lowering and cutting.
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Does the roadrunner have the original floor pans in it?
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Because the floor pans are really the whole structure of the car.
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There are things that have been done to the floor pans in that car.
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It was the automatic to manual transmission swap numerous times as a lot of those cars
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were back in the day when you're drag racing it.
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I think it's probably the third time I've put a four-speed tunnel in it.
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So the car is not pristine and perfect.
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When I was working at a body shop some 25 years ago, I spent probably two years doing
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body work on it myself.
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And once I got all the body work done, we painted it.
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And we painted it in any orange because it made sense at the time.
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I don't know if you're going to make it all the way over here, Richard.
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Richard, we're losing it.
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We've dropped your video.
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So point that camera over there to that road roll.
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Is that at the Whitewood?
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So yeah, that's it.
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It's now white instead of the Lamborghini orange because we're going back to what
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We asked Mike Satterfield to do us a rendering of what paint job was on the car then.
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Make it somewhat modern.
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We're even using single-stage paint on it.
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And I'll reach in here and grab this.
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So when I grew up, the car was called Big Bird.
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So the NASCAR valve covers were Dodge, of course, and I couldn't have Dodge.
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So we took the valve covers and machined them down and put Big Bird on the valve covers.
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So it'll plumb crazy purple, trying to do the best we can to make it as authentic
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Well, you said something unique to go up the mountain.
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This is very unique.
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I don't believe I've ever had a 68 roadrunner in mind when you're trying to do a hill climb.
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But when you add enough horsepower, does it matter?
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It's really about the horsepower and suspension, isn't it?
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So the NASCAR suspension will help us quite a bit on that.
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It's what I call the old school truck arm suspension.
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But it makes it very capable up the hill.
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I think we had probably six, maybe seven chassis last year that were all NASCAR-based.
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But there's a lot of those that actually end up on the mountain.
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So it's nothing that new.
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They run them road courses as well.
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So we're still waiting on suspension to make it go right, not just left, because this truck
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currently is set up just to go left.
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So we still have some challenges ahead of us, but...
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Yeah, Richard, there's going to be some extra weight.
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Is that going to be a...
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A little challenge.
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So we're comparing it.
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The guy who donated the truck to us, Rick Lend, his truck is 3,400 pounds.
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And we are literally running the same motor he ran two years ago.
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And I want to say he was an 1150, 1150, not the running at the mountain.
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Us, our shop, now this will be 17, 18 cars we've built for pack.
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We expect to be mid-pack with this setup.
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So we're going to do our bit as light as possible and make our...
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Yeah, I think you've about outran your Wi-Fi there, Richard.
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Cutting in and out and can hardly understand you.
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So can you get closer to your Wi-Fi?
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Oh, now you're sad.
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You're getting better.
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So there are challenges going...
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I was going to say my question is, obviously there's rules and regulations
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that you have to have a body on the vehicle.
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Why not just do the frame and the roll cage and no fenders,
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no doors, no nothing, just run it up that way?
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Well, that's an open-wheel car like my Miata.
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Well, there you go.
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So that puts it in a different class.
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But it's in a different class.
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And this is more of...
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We're not going up there so much to be fast as to leave a legacy.
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This is for his father, for my father.
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And what you don't realize what you do with some young men in life
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that will just shape the way they live forever.
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So let's go out there and make somebody's dream come true.
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Has there ever been a roadrunner going up, a 68 roadrunner,
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go up the mountain like that?
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I don't know a 68 roadrunner.
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There is a bee body that is registered this year,
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but it's a 66 cornet.
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So a little different look than a 68.
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But we've talked to some of the Dodge people, some of the Mopar people.
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They're excited about it.
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Not a lot that they could do or help us with.
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But we will represent the best we can going up the mountain.
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Date has not been announced, but usually the last weekend in June
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has been our date for like the last 10 years.
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OK, the last weekend in June.
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So the weekend before the 4th of July.
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Time to get all that dialed in.
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The scene to show is the big one.
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Yes, weekend before the 4th.
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Used to always be on 4th of July weekend, but that's all changed.
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So you're going to show it first?
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Yeah, well, so the SEMA show, of course, what?
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November 7th, 8th, 9th.
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And then we come back.
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Yeah, we come back November 15th for my race in Victoria,
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which should be the first event the car participates in.
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So we are planning on running the car at an event
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We should have it on the road and test it at MSR
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before we even leave Houston.
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It will have no Bluetooth drive shafts,
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no Bluetooth brakes going into the show
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like many of the cars do.
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Anything else you're working on or is this
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taking up 100% of your time?
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You know, we're trying.
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We got 76 Firebird right now.
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We've got the 68 SS 396 El Camino.
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Showed up yesterday just a beautiful car.
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Chasing down some fuel injection issues.
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They swapped over from carburetor to fuel injection.
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It works good enough to drive,
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but you're not going to take it very far running
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And then Firebird, we're working on AC.
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We work on it, trying to get AC back in the car,
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doing a retrofit from R12 to the 134.
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But usual stuff, work sleep, C4 getting cut up,
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turned into a race car for lemons.
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You know, that's one of the things
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we've always got going on here is one or two lemons cars.
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When is the lemons event?
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Same weekend as PR as a SEMA this year.
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It'll be the first one I've missed in 16 years.
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Richard, how many employees do you have?
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How many technicians or mechanics or?
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I should be at five to six.
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Yeah, change happens.
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People leave, people come, people go,
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but I actually have two people we're interviewing today.
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So we're always looking for talented people.
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The problem is we have a lot of scheduling here,
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timelines, a lot of travel,
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and some people don't like that.
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Really, I think it's their wife's
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don't like the travel side of it.
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But we go to a lot of places and do a lot of things
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and see amazing things.
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Richard, have you ever been in touch
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with the guys over at Houston?
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Have you ever been in touch with the guys
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over at Houston Community College?
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They got a great program over there
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and they're always looking for placement of their graduates.
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Yeah, I should probably get in touch with them.
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We could use some people that are actually driven
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and enjoy working on cars, not just,
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and there's a lot of people that work in the dealerships
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and they do it for money and they know a lot about cars,
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but they don't have what I call the love of cars
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These are family heirlooms in our business,
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like we only work on toys from other people.
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Yeah, we don't work on daily driver cars
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and it changes the way you touch a car
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and how you handle it and what attention you give it.
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It's very different, but it shouldn't be, you know?
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Well, yeah, because we're all car guys
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and we get it, we kind of take it for granted
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being a car guy because you think that everybody else is
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and that's not the case.
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And a lot of kids these days, and I say kids
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and I mean that in a very loose way,
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a 20-something year old that either dad's got the money
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or this kid works really hard and goes and spins
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a lot of money and buys a new car or a relatively new car
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and it's all complete.
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I mean, you can go to the dealership
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and buy a 700 horsepower race car basically
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that's got a license plate on it.
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They're available all day long now.
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Well, back in our day, if you wanted something like that,
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you had to build it.
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Yeah, blood, sweat, and tears.
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Yeah, and the part of building it
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was really the joy in it.
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Yeah, you get to drive it afterwards
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but it was getting the friends together,
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getting your buddy over on a Saturday night
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or whatever the case may be.
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You have a good time with the camaraderie
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and having a project, a group project.
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And later on in life, you say, I've done that.
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This is what mine looked like.
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Got the T-shirt, got the scars.
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Longest burnout I've ever done
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was in this car across the Walmart parking lot
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many, many moons ago.
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And that will be happy.
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You're sure it was Walmart and not Kmart?
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They're still talking about it.
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I was working there and doing the store sets
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and it was a brand new parking lot.
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It was completely open.
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So we just left our mark all the way across it.
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I lined the driveway.
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You left a mark in history.
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Yeah, well, it's Kmart.
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That's like me and my buddy Ross
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when we looked at the Richardson Chevrolet
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dealership in New Car Make Ready.
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Oh my God, we got to pull the Corvettes out
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on Saturday morning.
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There were a couple of Corvettes
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that they had to have new tires on the back
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put on the car before it was sold
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because we'd burnt the rubber off of them
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in the back parking lot.
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Well, accidentally, I'm sure.
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Oh, absolutely accidentally.
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Just two of them, they got two others.
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Yeah, they had a whole mess up.
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We sure had a good time with that.
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Those are memories.
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We'll get you guys some pictures,
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but if you get time, head over to the Facebook page.
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There's a lot of pictures there.
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Try and get Mars some pictures.
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Apex and then Richard Talman, both of them.
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We're linked up to you guys.
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Well, hey, man, it's great to talk to you.
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Let's be in touch this fall.
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I'll see you with the car.
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Richard Talman, Apex Auto Works,
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68 Road Runner, Hot Rod, Pikes Peak Hill Climber,
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He's driven it, built it, raced it.
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Just ahead, a review of the 2025 Alfa Romeo Tonali
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and Jeff's motor minute after a quick break
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Okay, time now for Jeff's motor minute.
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Yeah, how many of us out there
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have a homeowners association?
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Do you have one, Mike?
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I've got one, you've got one.
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I've got one here, but I've got one coming.
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Okay, well, a homeowner was given a warning
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from their HOA after a family member
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charged a Tesla Model S in the driveway.
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And this is the way it went down.
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They're using a plug inside of the garage
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to charge a Model S Tesla.
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Family member came over on vacation
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and they were just visiting,
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so there were no extension cords,
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just the Tesla cable, maybe about 10 feet long.
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Well, shortly after they did that,
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they received a warning from the HOA
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stating that electrical cords running on the ground
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to the electric vehicle are not permitted in the community.
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This seems to be a bit of confusion
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between the homeowner and the HOA.
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It's not the EV charging that's necessarily the problem,
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but the cord on the ground.
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The bylaws in the HOA state that long extension cords
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with the maximum length of 25 feet are not allowed.
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But the EV charger is an extension cord,
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nor is it 25 feet long, Mike.
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The HOA has a reputation for making the process
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of installing solar panels, EV chargers,
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and other eco-friendly home upgrades
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far more difficult than they should be.
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Many HOAs try to capitalize on the EV charging
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like hiking electric prices,
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requiring specific charging vendors,
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or just banning home charging altogether
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and making the practice illegal in a lot of states.
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Even if you're in a similar, a sticky situation
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with your HOA, there are ways to change the bylaws
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and have the money saving come to you
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through the charging.
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So here's some of the things that they're looking at.
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These are quotes and things from the homeowners.
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If you're charging in your garage,
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you have no control over what they do with your home.
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That's what they're arguing.
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The LV1 is no different than plugging in an appliance,
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which makes sense, it's true.
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And another one says that, hey, get with your HOA,
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work it out, be friendly, be nice.
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So if you got a Karen in your neighborhood, look her up.
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I think what you need to do is put little stakes
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in the yard on the way out and then have it.
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Yeah, so it's off the ground.
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Looped, yeah, yeah.
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Well, if you're in your garage, close your garage door.
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We can do that too.
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Just close it on the cord, let's precute the whole house.
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What are you gonna say?
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No, I was gonna say you could put some little lights
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up there too, or Christmas lights,
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and then they can complain about that.
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Well, you guys have EVs, you plug them in in your house.
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Plugged in right up there, right now.
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Yeah, I saw that, yeah.
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I tripped over the cord.
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You couldn't, because I parked too close to it.
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Anyways, be careful when you're doing that.
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Don't get people angry with you.
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Time now for this hour's car review.
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I had a chance to drive the 2025 Alfa Romeo Tonali
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Now, the final assembly location
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is Pamigliano De Arco, Naples, Italy.
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I can spell it, but it won't do any good
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because it doesn't make any difference.
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I can spell Toniel.
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Available trim levels, base, Intensa,
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Tributo, and Italiano.
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I had the base model.
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It is considered a subcompact SUV,
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but in our language, it's a small SUV.
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Still seats five people, all new in 2024.
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So this is a relatively new vehicle.
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Love the distinct sporty shape with menacing headlights
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and Alfa's Scudetto grille.
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Bet you didn't even know that, did you?
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It's called a Scudetto grille.
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Unique wheels with round spokes.
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Rear taillights emulate the headlight design.
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Big dual exhaust tips with a rear sunshade
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over the rear glass.
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What I liked, the Tonali gets high marks
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for its killer design, in my opinion.
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What could use improvement?
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Nothing, don't jack with it, and here's why.
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Because so many SUVs look the same.
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The taillights, you couldn't, if you took the name
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of the vehicle off of it, you wouldn't be able
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to tell the difference between, no offense, a Buick.
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Interior highlights.
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Start-stop button is on the steering wheel.
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Right there, see it?
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Unique wheels, I told you about that with the round spokes.
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We're doing the interior now, Don.
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Nice dash layout, huge paddle shifters, huge.
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If you're into paddle shifting, this is the bomb.
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Mike's into paddling.
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Seat material, attractive and cool.
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Dash and footwell accent lights, sweet.
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Cargo room, small, but this is a small SUV.
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What I liked about it, most everything.
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We like the wetsuit-style fabric on the seats.
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I don't know how else to describe it.
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We could use improvement.
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Small infotainment screen that was a little slow
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to react to touch inputs.
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Two-liter turbo four-cylinder with 268 horsepower,
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Torque 295, nine-speed automatic transmission.
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So that's how they could get away
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with a little bit less horsepower
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and basically a sport SUV.
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Miles per gallon, 21 city, 29 highway for a combined to 24.
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Believe it or not, I got 29.7 miles per gallon,
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That's pretty darn good.
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That's really good.
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What I liked, plenty of power to throw it around corners.
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And I say that in a sincere way.
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Because you want to.
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Well, because you want to and it can.
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Yeah, because it can.
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And that's the one cool thing about it
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that most SUVs don't have in this category.
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What could you use improvement?
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Start, stop was annoying and couldn't turn it off.
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Maybe I just couldn't figure out a way to turn it off.
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Parking brake automatically engages
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when you put it in park,
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turbo lag in some situations.
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The sportiness is what I really liked about it.
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What could use improvement?
23:07
If you don't like a sporty ride and handling,
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then buy something else.
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Don't buy a sports car.
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Because that's what this is.
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It's a sports car SUV.
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The base model price is 36,495.
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The base trim price, wait a minute, I've got that.
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The base trim price is 36,495 on this
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because it is the base model.
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Total price with a couple of options,
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including the destination charge 39,930.
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I was impressed not only by the price,
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but the hot rod ride, the hot rod handling,
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Two things I'm noticing in that is that you don't see
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or you don't hear of the Alfa Romero.
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Romero, very often getting recalled for anything.
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I hadn't thought of that.
23:57
And the other thing is you keep saying,
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Tony, I'm gonna have to make a pedicure board.
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I didn't have to make a pedicure appointment.
24:03
You said Tony, I like it.
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I'm gonna have to have my toes down.
24:07
Actual competitors of the BMW X1, the Audi Q3,
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and the Mercedes-Benz GLA, and all of those are more.
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Well, because I was going to say those are,
24:17
so this is the better bargain out of all.
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If you're into a small SUV and you want to have
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kind of a hot rod thing going on
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and something different that doesn't look
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like all the rest of it, go check it out.
24:30
And you're in the Euro phase, the European vehicle.
24:36
And I bet you you'll find one at an Alfa store
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that's already beat the tariffs.
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So the 2025 Alfa Romero to Nali, all-wheel drive.
24:49
All right, if you'd like to get in touch with us,
24:52
well, a little bit early here, aren't we?
24:55
What did you say, Morris?
24:56
Did you take your headset off?
24:59
Okay, well, we're going to let him go ahead
25:01
and do whatever it is that he's got to do.
25:03
I did run across this story,
25:06
so there's going to be a little bonus segment here.
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Jeep's swift shift toward more eco-friendly off-roading
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saw the lineup move away from high-powered
25:16
Hemi engines as the adventure brand
25:18
added plug-in hybrids and its first
25:21
fully electric vehicle in North America,
25:24
It's now changing course
25:26
and revving up its V8 offerings again.
25:29
The brand will tap the power and performance
25:31
of the Hemi across Jeep products
25:33
as new projects are already underway
25:35
that according to CEO Bob Broderdorf.
25:39
And I think we met him, didn't we, Morris?
25:41
His name sounds familiar.
25:42
And then we'll go even further, he says,
25:44
by bringing more powertrain options in the future,
25:47
adding more horsepower to the lineup.
25:49
First step in Jeep's Hemi resurgence
25:52
is new life for the Wrangler Rubicon 392, baby.
25:58
which is planned to go out of production last year.
26:01
The 470 horsepower trail cruiser,
26:05
is that a category, a trail cruiser?
26:09
That ain't no cruisin' on that kind of thing,
26:11
which retails for more than $100,000
26:13
with shipping is currently the only Jeep
26:15
to still offer eight cylinders under the hood,
26:18
392 is coming back, baby.
26:21
And have you ever seen what he ever heard one?
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And that's what we like.
26:37
That's how you lost your hair, isn't it?
26:42
You know, I was in a car one time
26:43
that as soon as you did a burnout,
26:46
make the earth spin backwards.
26:48
That's how fast that car was.
26:49
Depends, I guess, which way you're pointed.
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Hey, if you'd like to get in touch with us,
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